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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Good evening, everybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace and this is the Friday Night special

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: And tonight the so.

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Speaker 2: Called killer mother in law suspect guilty and a murder

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Speaker 2: case for the state alleges she masterminded an execution.

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Speaker 1: A paid hit on her own son in law. The

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Speaker 1: law professor.

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Speaker 2: That's right, a so called killer mother in law. But

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Speaker 2: for real, I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. So

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Speaker 2: consumed with rage, with anger over her daughter's divorce and

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Speaker 2: subsequently not having visitation with her grandchildren, that she commits murder.

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Speaker 2: She murders her own son in law over visitation. It's

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Speaker 2: really hard to imagine that.

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Speaker 1: You know, so.

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Speaker 2: Often when we hear about a violent crime, many people

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Speaker 2: will make excuses. Oh, they were under stress, they grew

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Speaker 2: up in a bad family, they're uneducated, they're this, They're that,

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Speaker 2: they were using drugs, they were using alcohol, a million excuses.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you about this mother in law.

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Speaker 2: Her family, highly educated, called a five star family by politicians, lawmakers, rabbis,

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Speaker 2: friends of the family's neighbors. No one within their circle

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Speaker 2: can accept this woman, the matriarch of a very wealthy,

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Speaker 1: But guess what, I agree with police?

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Speaker 3: She did it.

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Speaker 1: She had her own son in law murdered.

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Speaker 2: Because he refused to give up his children. What do

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Speaker 2: we know about the case? Let me just start with

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Speaker 2: our friends at crime Online.

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Speaker 4: Donna Adelson, the mother of recently convicted murderer Charlie Adelson,

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Speaker 4: is caught by police trying to board a plane leaving

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Speaker 4: Miami and heading to Vietnam. Her husband, Harvey is with

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Speaker 4: her as police take her into custody, the latest person

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Speaker 4: to be arrested in the murder for higher plot killing

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Speaker 4: of Nan Markel. In charging documents and a warrant request,

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Speaker 4: prosecutors noted that on recorded jail phone calls, Adelson discussed

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Speaker 4: killing herself and leaving the country. Following Charlie Adelson's conviction,

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Speaker 4: he is facing a mandatory life sentence. Three other people

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Speaker 4: have also been convicted in Markel's murder. Donna and Harvey

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Speaker 4: Adelson had one way tickets purchased for Vietnam. Vietnam has

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Speaker 4: no extradition agreement with the United States.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand this with me an all star

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Speaker 2: panel to make sense of what we know right now.

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Speaker 2: But first two Joel Waldman joining us out of this

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Speaker 2: jurisdiction in Florida, host off surviving the survivor Joel the

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Speaker 2: mother in law. First of all, who's Charlie Adelson. Charlie

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Speaker 2: Adelson is the brother in law, and he's not just.

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Speaker 1: The brother in law.

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Speaker 2: He's apparently a very well respected periodontist.

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Speaker 1: This is the brother in.

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Speaker 2: Law of the dead husband, the dad, Dan Markel, the

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Speaker 2: law professor. I want to first start with the mother

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Speaker 2: in law trying to flee the jurisdiction to Vietnam. But

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Speaker 2: this is just after her son is convicted in the murder.

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Speaker 2: Let's just start. Why is the mother in law at

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Speaker 2: the airport with her husband, Harvey, with a one way

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Speaker 2: ticket to Vietnam. Tell me how that whole thing went down.

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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, in a word, she didn't want to be arrested,

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Speaker 5: and she knew that it was coming. What a lot

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Speaker 5: of people don't know is that this happened over nine

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Speaker 5: years ago, so they've been waiting for justice all these years.

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Speaker 5: The two convicted hitmen are in prison, as it is

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Speaker 6: But just to get back to your original question about.

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Speaker 5: Donna Adelson, it was on a Monday that Charlie Adelson,

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Speaker 5: the ex brother in law, was convicted, and then exactly

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Speaker 5: and is almost immediately after Charlie's conviction, Donna and her

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Speaker 2: Good Lord in Heaven. Thirty five hours in one week. Guys,

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Speaker 2: you're hearing Joel Waldman. He is a host of an

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Speaker 2: incredible podcast, Surviving the Survivor. Joel, don't lose any of

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Speaker 2: those thoughts. Dave Ehrenberg is joining us.

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Speaker 1: PAULM.

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Speaker 2: Beach County state attorney and friend of Dan Markel, also

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Speaker 2: with me Tamara Demco, I've got this. She is a

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Speaker 2: Dan Markel. And again this case is like my head

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Speaker 1: Dragging along the father.

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Speaker 2: What did he know, Harvey?

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Speaker 1: Is he just along for the writer? Does he know anything?

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Speaker 1: Long story short?

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Speaker 2: David Ehrenberg, before I go to tamaraw Dave, I heard

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Speaker 2: you say something that I researched intensely. You were describing

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Speaker 2: Wendy's brother, the brother in law now convicted of murder,

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Speaker 2: and you referred to him as the Maestro, and you

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he is someone who's very self assured.

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Speaker 7: show that this guy self assured. To use the euphemism

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Speaker 2: Is he just as smarter than everybody in the room.

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Speaker 2: What they can't read? That sign at the jail says

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Speaker 7: You know, he was so cock sure of himself throughout

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Speaker 7: he was shocked. You should see the face when he

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Speaker 2: Just put his head down, like, I can't believe somebody

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Speaker 3: No one want to see address of your emergency. Okay,

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Speaker 8: We heard looked in the garage, goal was up, and

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars.

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Speaker 2: When I hear about the execution style hit on a

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Speaker 2: He didn't get shot and just die instantly. He was

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Speaker 2: still trying to speak, He was still moving his head around.

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Speaker 2: Professor Dan Markel, I had heard of him as being

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Speaker 1: Hearing that NI one one call.

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Speaker 2: listen to more of that nine to one one call.

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Speaker 3: So they're saying his head is bloody.

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Speaker 8: Now, yes, I'm bloody. I mean it's the window shattered.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if he's tried to shoot himself. I

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Speaker 3: It's the driver's side window, correct, that's correct.

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Speaker 2: The state alleges she asked her mind and a paid

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Speaker 1: Own son in law.

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Speaker 2: Howe in the hay did a mild mannered law professor

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Speaker 2: I mean he's pulling in home to see his children

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Speaker 9: Dan Markell comes home to find the house empty, his

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Speaker 9: gone for six weeks. Dan Markel says he doesn't know

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Speaker 9: Their divorce order is for them to share joint custody

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Speaker 2: My stars, the whole family is in on keeping the children,

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Speaker 2: Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Mack. There was

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Speaker 2: never an allegation that Professor Martl beat the children, abuse

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Speaker 9: What it's so shocking Nancy that, Okay, the marriage is

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Speaker 9: at that point where Wendy wants out. Now you've got

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Speaker 9: to remember that Wendy Adelson's family is all in South Florida,

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Speaker 9: and that's where she wants to go with her children.

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Speaker 9: We're talking to it eight hour difference between where the

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Speaker 9: that's it. That's where everything begins, Nancy. They actually, I

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Speaker 9: say they the Adlson family. You mentioned Dan Markel comes

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Speaker 2: McKelvey, investigative journalists, host of podcast a hit podcast, Pretty

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Speaker 2: Lies and Alibis. Gigi, I want to get back, not

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Speaker 1: I want to get to the day he was murdered.

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Speaker 2: So he's coming home and what he drives in does

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Speaker 2: Gig McKelvey, isn't it true that the killer apparently followed

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Speaker 12: That's correct, pulled up to where he would not have

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Speaker 2: Ron Bitman joining me, former sheriff and Arundel County, Maryland,

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Speaker 2: There's no two ways about it. There's no sex attack,

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Speaker 1: That's a hit.

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Speaker 13: That's an execution, premature, with a malice, the forethought, and

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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that.

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Speaker 2: Just before he was murdered, Professor Markel was on the

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Speaker 1: Accused of murder.

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Speaker 2: They have been talking that whole morning, and Markel had

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Speaker 2: Could keep them a little bit longer and then he's dead.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that the scenario they're arguing about the children that morning?

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Speaker 9: It was a constant discussion between Dan Markel and Wendy

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Speaker 1: Geography really plays.

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Speaker 9: Into this entire case. But yes, Nancy, she kept him

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Speaker 2: Okay, guys again, Wendy Adelson has not been charged and

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Speaker 1: She is a lawyer, a very good lawyer.

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Speaker 9: After the court prevents it's Wendy Aedelson from moving to

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Speaker 9: contribute a third. Charlie Aedelson, Wendy's brother, will contribute a third.

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Speaker 9: converted to Catholicism, knowing Markell and his family are strict

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Speaker 2: Man talk about down and dirty to doctor Sherry Schwartz,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Doctor Sherry number one.

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Speaker 2: Try to bribe Markel the mother he's on trial right

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Speaker 2: now for having her son executed. The mother in law

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Speaker 2: presumed innocent until proven guilty. Doctor Sherry number one trying

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Speaker 1: I don't even want this divorce.

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Speaker 2: Then, after the bribe didn't work, she allegedly decides to

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Speaker 1: Don't you know? He did a backflip.

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Speaker 14: Generally speaking, when you're talking about this level of cruelty

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns is joining me. Chief Medical Examiner Terran County,

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Speaker 1: That tore through Dan Markel's face.

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Speaker 9: Listen, the Florida criminal law professor was pulling into his

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Speaker 15: If those two vessels are hit, he's going to survive

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Speaker 15: about the individual's life outside of him, of the injuries

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Speaker 15: that I see at autopsy, I try not to think

442
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Speaker 15: about because if I get wrapped up in the emotion

443
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Speaker 15: of all of it, I wouldn't be able to do

444
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Speaker 15: my job. So in a way, yes, it's very clinical

445
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Speaker 15: to me. You ask me a question, I will give

446
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 15: you a clinical answer, describing what's injured, not thinking about him,

447
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 15: his family, the pain and suffering, etc.

448
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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.

449
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Speaker 4: After eight days of testimony, the twelve member jury deliberated

450
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 4: for approximately three hours before returning a guilty verdict against

451
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Speaker 4: Donna Adelson. She was found guilty of first degree murder, conspiracy,

452
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Speaker 4: and solicitation in Dan Markel's death. Adelson is the second

453
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 4: member of her family to be found guilty in this case.

454
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 4: Son Charlie was convicted first to hired killers and to

455
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 4: go between also sentenced. Donna Adelson gasped aloud as the

456
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 4: judge read the verdict. Judge Stephen Everett told Adelson to

457
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Speaker 4: control herself as she started to cry, instructing her to

458
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Speaker 4: not have any more outburst in front of the jury.

459
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Speaker 4: Ruth Markel, Dan's mother, said in her impact statement that

460
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Speaker 4: Donna Adelson is a curse.

461
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: Back to the facts of the case. Tamara Demco, a

462
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: very dear friend of Dan Markel's, was living in Tallahassee

463
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Speaker 2: when Dan was murdered. Tamara hardly even know where to start,

464
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: but why don't we start with the day of the murder,

465
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Speaker 2: what happened.

466
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Speaker 16: I did not find out about Danny being shot until

467
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 16: he had already passed. So the nineteenth of July, I

468
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 16: received an email from a law school friend that said,

469
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Speaker 16: I just heard what happened to Dan. Are you okay?

470
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Speaker 16: And she knew that I was very close to Danny.

471
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 16: So I went to Facebook and I looked and I

472
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Speaker 16: saw the awful news and it was horrifying because he

473
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Speaker 16: was shot in broad daylight before noon on the eighteenth

474
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Speaker 16: at Friday, I was working two miles down the road

475
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Speaker 16: while my dear friend was being murdered, and the thought

476
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 16: was just horrifying. It broke my heart to hear the news,

477
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Speaker 16: and it was very.

478
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Speaker 2: Devastating, Tamara, I think you'll agree with me. Women all

479
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: over the world, I only wish their husband would take

480
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: the children to school in the morning, do the school run.

481
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: I happened to love.

482
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: That's my favorite part of the day. But be involved,

483
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: play with the children, do something with the children. And

484
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I got lucky because my husband does. But

485
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: so many women feel that it's all on them. And

486
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: here's the guy, your friend, Danny Marcel, who is fighting

487
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: tooth and nail for his children, what, if anything, do

488
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: you know about his battle with his wife and his

489
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: in laws over the children.

490
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Speaker 16: I think you're absolutely right, Nancy, Danny was just so

491
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 16: passionate for life, and he was most passionate about his boys.

492
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 16: He was a real friend, someone who would go out

493
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 16: of his way to see you and to support you,

494
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 16: and he was just a blessing to everyone he met.

495
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 16: But the boys were his life, and he and even

496
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 16: take time out of his schedule to go meet up

497
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Speaker 16: with the boys just for snack time. That's the kind

498
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 16: of dad he was. You'd also seen them to sleep

499
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Speaker 16: at night and he would play with them. He was

500
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Speaker 16: just a wonderful, wonderful dad, and the boys deserved and

501
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 16: still deserved to know him and who he was. The

502
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 16: divorce is very contentious.

503
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Speaker 2: Well that's one way to put it, Tamara. I mean,

504
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: because did I have those facts right that he goes

505
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: he's a professor. It is FSU correct. Danny Markel was

506
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: a professor at FSU.

507
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 16: Florida State University, correct, and.

508
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: Was apparently in the academic world, very well regarded.

509
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: He was also devout.

510
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: Because Joel Wallman, I'm diverting away from Tamara, but I

511
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: want her answer isn't it true that we find out

512
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: the mother in law, Donna Adelson, she quit work and

513
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: spent her whole cultivating her three children like they were

514
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: hothouse plants, going to the right schools, going to the

515
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: right camps over the summer, getting this award and that award,

516
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: and the whole shebang.

517
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: And I'm not detigrading that, I'm applauding that.

518
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: But isn't it true that she tried to get Wendy

519
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: to bribe Danny with a million dollars.

520
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: To give up the children.

521
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: Essentially let them move seven or eight hours away to

522
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: be close to her, the grandma. And then when that

523
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: didn't work, she wanted Wendy to threaten to raise them

524
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: as Catholics, yeah, and have them baptized and they were

525
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: devout Jews, thinking that would throw them over the edge,

526
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: and Wendy, to her credit on that well, ostensibly would

527
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: not do it.

528
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: Didn't that happen, Joel Waldman.

529
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Speaker 5: Nancy, this just shows you how demented the matriarch Don

530
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 5: Aedilsen is at the wedding. Obviously, prior to all the acrimony,

531
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 5: Dan Markel, as you just mentioned, was becoming more and

532
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 5: more involved in his Judaism.

533
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 6: He really wanted a kosher.

534
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 5: Wedding, and lo and behold at the wedding itself, they

535
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 5: pulled all the kosher food. It was something that was

536
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 5: perplexing to the Markell family. They couldn't understand it. They

537
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 5: had friends who are coming.

538
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 6: Who would only eat kosher food.

539
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 5: And then as things heated up, and as this to

540
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 5: force got more than working.

541
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, whoa, whoa Joe, Wait, isn't this was this the

542
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: big wedding with two hundred guests in Boca Raton.

543
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 6: Yes, it is two hundred plus guests.

544
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: And it was in the New York Times. You know

545
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: how hard it is to get your wedding. I did

546
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: not try, Jack, You don't look at me that way.

547
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: I was lucky to get it in the Make and Telegraph.

548
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: Oh and the headline was something like Grace secretly Mary's

549
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: husband converts from that Baptist to Methodist. Okay converts anyway,

550
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: something to that effect was in some paper. Long story short,

551
00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: it was so big it was in the New York Times.

552
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: This is the first I've heard that they pull the

553
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: kosher food. Who pulled the kosher food?

554
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 6: This is the Adelson family.

555
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 5: They pulled the kosher food, and all the guests there,

556
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 5: you know, probably a good portion would only eat kosher food.

557
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 5: So there goes the wedding meal for a lot of people.

558
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: And I bet Markel threw a fit like nobody's business.

559
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 17: Nancy.

560
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: Yes, Karen Stark's psychologist at Karenstark dot com.

561
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: Karen with a C.

562
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Speaker 2: Go Karen, go, go go the.

563
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Speaker 18: Mother in law.

564
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 17: They have given them a wonderful education, but there are

565
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 17: no good values of morality that we're talking about. They

566
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 17: didn't seem to get that at all. What an outrageous story.

567
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Speaker 17: You have guests who can't.

568
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: Eat, Karen, you do know there's been a murder, so

569
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: let's not get too hung up on the wedding. Although

570
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Speaker 2: I agree with you that.

571
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Speaker 17: I mean, I know, Nan, but you know what, the

572
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 17: thing that really gets to me the most beside the

573
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 17: murder are the children.

574
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree. Back to the children, good, thank you.

575
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: Let's get the ship right in out of the weeds

576
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 2: and back on the road. And since we're so much

577
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 2: on the road and we're out of the weeds, Joel Waldman,

578
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: isn't it also true that there is a third sibling.

579
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: You've got Wendy who was married to the murder victim,

580
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: and to this day everyone insists she knew nothing about

581
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 2: the plot by her mother and brother to kill him.

582
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: You got Wendy, you got the brother, Charlie, who's convicted

583
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: of hiring a hitman to kill his brother in law.

584
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 2: And you've got a third sibling that was in love

585
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: with an Indian girl who was Hindu. And the parents,

586
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 2: the Adelsons, threw such a fit. He broke off married

587
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 2: someone that they would accept. That marriage fell apart after

588
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: a couple of years, and he went back to his

589
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: original first love and they're together today.

590
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Speaker 1: Is that right, Joel?

591
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 5: That is one hundred percent correct. There is just such

592
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 5: thick irony here. And I have to say this because

593
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 5: the podcast is called Surviving the Survivor, because my dear

594
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 5: mother is a Holocaust survivor, and this Jewish grandmother, Donna Adelson,

595
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 5: at one point threatened to have her own Jewish grandchildren

596
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 5: march down the streets in Nazi uniforms. Dan Markel was

597
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 5: too Jewish. Dan Markel was too Jewish, but Rob Aidelson

598
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 5: marrying a non Jewish woman, she was just beside herself,

599
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 5: so they dug their noses into that relationship. Insisted that

600
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 5: Rob Adelson, that now Estrange, son of the Adelson family,

601
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 5: marry a Jewish woman.

602
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 6: He did for a short time, he was.

603
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 5: Not in love, and then later he reconnects with this

604
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 5: Indian doctor, this woman, and now he is happily married

605
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 5: and completely disconnected from the Adelson family.

606
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: Dave Ehrenberg, I'm having a hard time believing what I'm hearing.

607
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, it is is Joel is one hundred percent correct.

608
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 7: They are not going to win Parents of the Year.

609
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 7: There was an article that came out from a supporter

610
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 7: of the Aedolsons, which was a little suspicious because of

611
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 7: the timing. It looks like perhaps it was from a

612
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 7: paid supporter, someone who said he's known the Eedelsons forever

613
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 7: and they would never do something like this. They must

614
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 7: be innocent. But then it was revealed that the author

615
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 7: of the piece hadn't spoken to the Aedelsons in twenty

616
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 7: five plus years, hadn't seen them in more than twenty

617
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 7: five years. So they don't have a lot of defenders

618
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 7: right now, Nancy. And the big question is Donna is guilty.

619
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Speaker 7: What's the next shoot of ball? Because I don't think

620
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 7: prosecutors will be done there.

621
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: You may you believe prosecutors are going to go after

622
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: the father in law, Harvey Aedelson, who was with Donna

623
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: Adelson on his way to Vietnam. Didn't he go, hey,

624
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: why are we going to Vietnam? I mean, or why

625
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: don't we have a one way ticket to Vietnam? We're

626
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:00,959
Speaker 2: not coming home?

627
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 3: Yeah?

628
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 7: And you know what that is.

629
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that and several of the phone calls that

630
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: are under suspicion.

631
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: Of course, the fans got in on this. Guys.

632
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: We cannot sign off without talking about the bump. Okay,

633
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 2: which'll get to But his phone, Harvey Aielsen's phone took

634
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 2: a lot of the phone calls around the time of

635
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: the murder.

636
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: But you know what, let's bring it home. Let's bring

637
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: it home just a moment.

638
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to our cut to the nine

639
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 2: to one one called listen to this.

640
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: Okay, what's going on with him? I don't know.

641
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 8: The driver's side window is all bashed in and he's

642
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 8: got blood all over his head.

643
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: To Tamara Demco. She is a doctor, she is a jd.

644
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: She is an our n.

645
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: She's a Harvard Law school classmate with Danny Markel. She's

646
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: known since nineteen ninety seven. Was at work a few

647
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 2: blocks away when Dan he was murdered. When I think

648
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 2: of this, I know he was brilliant. I know he's

649
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 2: a Harvard law grad. I know he's a law professor,

650
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: wrote all sorts of very impressive works.

651
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: Of legal acuity.

652
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: I know that. But a dad so involved, so full

653
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: of life, it's very hard for me to take in

654
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 2: that his own in laws would have him killed.

655
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 16: Very hard for me to wrap my mind around that too.

656
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 16: I actually grew up in the same town as the Edelshon's,

657
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 16: my family's home a mile away from their home, and

658
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 16: I guess lectured for Wendy Edelson in her law school classes.

659
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 16: It was really something that I did not want to

660
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Speaker 16: consider as a possibility, and it's heartbreaking in and of itself.

661
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Speaker 2: Samara, of course you were not on Charlie Aedelson's The Maestro,

662
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 2: But now that you were seeing the evidence unfold, what

663
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Speaker 2: do you think.

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Speaker 16: I think that there was a very concerted effort and

665
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 16: a long time planning. I believe the Adelson's or planners.

666
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 16: I'm very grateful for everyone who's worked hard for justice

667
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 16: in this case, and I firmly believe and hope that

668
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 16: justice will continue to happen, and will continue to seek

669
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 16: it to the point where everyone involved is held accountable,

670
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 16: and that a callous disregard for life and the cold

671
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 16: calculation of the murder is not something that a self serving,

672
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 16: This kind of self serving, premeditated and heinous act should

673
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 16: never be viewed as inconsequential and repeated by anyone. And

674
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 16: that's the just kind of justice that I'm looking for.

675
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Speaker 2: Tamara Demko joining us, did you know Donna Adelson the

676
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: mother in law.

677
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Speaker 16: I had been to their home in Coral Springs. I

678
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 16: had also been to Wendy's home and Aqua Ridge. And yes,

679
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 16: I've met Donna several times. I've had drinks with her,

680
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 16: I've had dinner. I've gone to high holiday services with

681
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Speaker 16: the family as well.

682
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Speaker 2: Can you just tell me what she is like, what

683
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: Harvey Adolson is like, what Charlie Adelson is like. There

684
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: are people, even when confronted with the evidence, and it's

685
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 2: pretty strong evidence, including fifty six thousand dollars in cash

686
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: put in the go between account, Charlie Adelson's girlfriend, who

687
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: hired her, who arranged for her common law husband and

688
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 2: his friend to do the hit. Her account gets all

689
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: this money poured into it. The hit men get money

690
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,479
Speaker 2: and Charlie Adelson. Hey, Dave Erinberg and Joel Waldman jump

691
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: in if I've got this wrong. There are a lot

692
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: of meticulous facts in this case. But Charlie Adelson had

693
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: a habit he whenever dealing with cash with staple the

694
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: money together. I've never seen that in my life. And

695
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: they would get cash stapled together. Is that right, Dave Ehmberg?

696
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 3: That is correct.

697
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 7: It's like a fingerprint.

698
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 2: You know.

699
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 7: That was a unique thing that only Charlie did. And

700
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 7: for the defense lawyers, they had a problem. How do

701
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 7: you explain that the killers had in their possession of

702
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 7: these stapled stacks of bills?

703
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 19: How do you explain it?

704
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Speaker 7: Well, Charlie, I think they built his defense around that

705
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 7: where he tried to explain it by saying that he

706
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 7: was the victim of an extortion plot and that's why

707
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 7: he had to pay the killers or else they would

708
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 7: kill him and his family. Of course that didn't make

709
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 7: any sense.

710
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: Well then how come he's still alive?

711
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 3: Well?

712
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 7: And that's and also don't how extortion works where the

713
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 7: killers go and first murder your enemy and then they

714
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 7: come back and they say, okay, we've killed your enemy.

715
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 7: Now we're going to kill you and your family unless

716
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 7: you pay up. Why not just skip ahead to just

717
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 7: say pay us or we're going to kill you and

718
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 7: your family. So none of this made any sense.

719
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Speaker 2: He hated Dan Markel, correct, Charlie Aielsen hated Dan Markel.

720
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Speaker 2: So that's theory is completely fast Awkwards exactly.

721
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Speaker 7: It made no sense and the jurors didn't buy it.

722
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Speaker 1: Either, tamoraw dimco back to you, I was asking.

723
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Speaker 2: You what were the Adelson's like, specifically Donna.

724
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Speaker 16: Donna seemed like an involved and loving mom. She was

725
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 16: great to have to chat conversations with, and she was

726
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 16: very proud of her children, very much involved with the

727
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 16: grandchildren as well. I think from the surface level, they

728
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 16: seemed like a normal family. If you were to go

729
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 16: to their home in Coral Springs, there are pictures up

730
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 16: on the wall of the kids. She spent a lot

731
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Speaker 16: of time supporting Wendy. There was nothing abnormal on the surface.

732
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Speaker 16: I would say that Harvey. Harvey always came across as

733
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 16: a little bit more quiet, but certainly friendly, and Charlie

734
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 16: was very lively. He was always on the go and

735
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 16: enjoyed partying quite.

736
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Speaker 2: A bit, and Dave Ehrenberg joining US Palm Beach County

737
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 2: state attorney and friend of Danny Marcel. He has been

738
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: really Charlie. Charlie Adelson has been referred to as thinking

739
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 2: he was James Bond, but in fact he's a periodontist.

740
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: What does that mean?

741
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 7: Well, I'm from South Florida, and as Joel and Tamrek

742
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 7: would say, that's not that uncommon. He loved the fast

743
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 7: life with his ferrari and his fast women and his

744
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 7: clubbing lifestyle and drugs, and he was well known that

745
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 7: he was involved with steroids. And here was a guy

746
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 7: who was a nerd back in high school who then

747
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 7: became this wealthy, flashy, fast living guy who thought that

748
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 7: he could get away with murder.

749
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Speaker 16: And that's the.

750
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Speaker 7: Kind of person who would commit this kind of crime

751
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 7: because people say, why do you think you could get

752
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 7: away with it? Well, when you're hopped up on steroids

753
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 7: and you think that you're smarter than everyone else, Yeah,

754
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 7: you think you're above the law and you wouldn't get caught.

755
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 7: And it took nine plus years for there to be

756
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 7: justice for Charlie.

757
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: And the FBI.

758
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: God bless the FBI, God bless them. Look, I was

759
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: a FED for three years. I hate the federal government.

760
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: Except the irs. I love you.

761
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: Please don't look at me, Joel Waldman, Could you please

762
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: explain what I'm talking about? As the bump, Charlie Adelson

763
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: would never been convicted are murdering his brother in law

764
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: over a visitation with Grandma, and Donna Adelson would not

765
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: be in a jail sale up in her seventies trying

766
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 2: to flee to Vietnam right now if it had it

767
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: been for wire taps and surreptitious recordings, one of the

768
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 2: most amazing ones that actually worked, Joel Waldman, and I'm

769
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 2: gonna hear from Robert Crispin and doctor Gorniac, renowned forensic pathologist.

770
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: I want to circle back to doctor Gorniac.

771
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: On what Danny Markel experienced because when the neighbor came up,

772
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: he was still rolling his head around and moving, which

773
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: in my mind means he was suffering after he was shot.

774
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 2: Joel Waldman, as it's called the bump. If Adelson's had

775
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: kept their traps shut, they wouldn't be in jail right now.

776
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 2: Tell me about the bump as it is called.

777
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 5: So the bump is now an infamous FBI sting. So

778
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 5: the FEDS got involved once this case started to move

779
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 5: and they thought that the Adelsons were possibly involved.

780
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 6: So it's interesting bring it up.

781
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 5: I just did a tour for my podcast to the

782
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,479
Speaker 5: location where the bump happened, and it happened to take

783
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 5: place right in front of where the Adelsons were living.

784
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: And it's an iconic, the iconic, the icon yeah, the

785
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: icon yes, yes, and it's a.

786
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Speaker 6: Very lavish building.

787
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 5: I think units started around two million dollars.

788
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 2: So whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa the icon condo building. The

789
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: unit started two million dollars.

790
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 5: That is correct, Nancy, Welcome to Miami. Yes, and it's interesting.

791
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Speaker 6: This tour I did.

792
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 5: I was curious to see these different spots. So I

793
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 5: also went by Charlie Adelson's house.

794
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, did you video that I did?

795
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 6: It's on my website on the YouTube channel.

796
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: Oh so we can see. I can't wait to say this. Okay,

797
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: go ahead, Yeah.

798
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 5: So Charlie's house is nothing like what you would expect.

799
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 5: It's sort of a rundown home right off the highway.

800
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 5: And keep in mind, this is a guy who in

801
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 5: court admitted that he was making three and a half

802
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 5: million dollars a year between twenty fourteen and twenty eighteen.

803
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 5: So that goes back to the James Bond quest because

804
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 5: that is not really the salary of the periodontis.

805
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 6: But we do know through these.

806
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 5: Wiretaps that he was illicitly dealing steroids as well. But

807
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 5: back to the bump. So this bump happened right in

808
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 5: front of this Icon building in South Beach. It's a

809
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 5: beautiful area. You can literally this is what's so sad.

810
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 5: You can literally take a stone from where the bump

811
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 5: happened and throw it and hit the school that the

812
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 5: two Markelle children attended, and Donna was on her way

813
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 5: to pick up her grandchildren.

814
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 2: You may after they killed Danny Markel and move the

815
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: children down to South Florida, right that's where they're going

816
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: to school.

817
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 5: And change their name from Markel to Adelson. So these

818
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 5: two young boys are gonna have a lot, a lot

819
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 5: and Nancy, I know, you know this firsthand, a lot

820
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 5: of grieving to deal with and a lot of you know,

821
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 5: understanding about what happened to their family as they become

822
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 5: these young teens that they are.

823
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 2: Now not only changed their last name from Markel back

824
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 2: to Adelson, and the maiden name of the mom, but

825
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: took away the oldest son's middle name, which had been

826
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: the Hebrew name of.

827
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 1: Dan Markel's grandma.

828
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: Right, so all trace of Dan Markel has been removed

829
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 2: from their life.

830
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 5: It's it's difficult to process, it really is. So this,

831
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 5: you know, this bump happened literally across the street from

832
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 5: the school that they were attending at the time, and

833
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 5: ultimately when they got the uh, you know that video

834
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 5: and audio, there's no doubt that that is, you know,

835
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 5: a big piece of evidence that influenced jurors. And then

836
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 5: there's one other piece of audio from a restaurant, the

837
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 5: so called Dulce Beata tapes that have the little woman

838
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 5: Katie mcbanawa and Charlie Aedelson talking. So it's a combination

839
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 5: of this.

840
00:48:53,120 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 4: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Donna Agelson's attorney, and he

841
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 4: portrayed the accused murderous mother in law as a woman

842
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 4: who became too involved in her daughter's divorce and that

843
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 4: led to insults and name calling in so many emails

844
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 4: between family members. But she said that did not make

845
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 4: her a murderer.

846
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: It was not proof.

847
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 4: Jurors heard from Adelson's oldest son, doctor Robert Adelson, an

848
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 4: ear nose and throat specialist. The mother and son are estranged.

849
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 4: He described his mother as controlling and said she hated

850
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 4: Dan Markell. Adelson, seventy five, did not take the witness

851
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 4: stand in her own defense. After the guilty verdict was read,

852
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 4: Adelson shouted, oh my God, breaking down in tears. The

853
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 4: judge admonished Adelson to control herself, then ordered the jury out,

854
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 4: giving Adelson a two minute break to collect herself.

855
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: This is the trial of the monster in law, the

856
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: suspect who ordered the hit, according to prosecutors, to murder

857
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 2: her son in law because he would not let his

858
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 2: children move eight hours away to live. I hear wow,

859
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: I wonder why after trying to bribe him for a

860
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: million dollars, threatened to indoctrinate the boys in another religion.

861
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: A plot unfold. I haven't even gotten to all the

862
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 2: wire taps.

863
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: You know what.

864
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: You're going to totally wig when you hear this. But

865
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 2: let's take a step by step because it can get complicated.

866
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Speaker 1: Listen.

867
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Speaker 9: Charlie Aedelson, brother of Wendy Aedelson, uses his girlfriend Katherine

868
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 9: mcbanawad to arrange a murder for hire, using the father

869
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 9: of her two children, Sigfredo Garcia, and his friend Louis Rivera,

870
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 9: to kill Dan Markel. The end result that Wendy Aedelson

871
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 9: can move her two children too South Florida, near her family.

872
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 9: Exactly what happened when Dan Markell was killed?

873
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: What happened when you got to the driveway of Dan markill.

874
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 2: Right behind him, and of course I jumped out and show.

875
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Speaker 1: How many times did Garcia shoot Mark?

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Speaker 20: Mister moyle cole Blood Cold Blood Gig McKelvey joining US

877
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Speaker 20: investigative journalist, star of Pretty Lies and Alibis podcast.

878
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: Gigi's been on the case from the very very beginning.

879
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: Gig Cold What I mean? He just rattled off, how

880
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 2: many times you shoot him? Twice? He doesn't care about

881
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 2: the children, He doesn't care about Markel's family, devastated family twice. Okay,

882
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 2: forget about that. Let me talk to you about the plot.

883
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: Let me understand. Wendy Adelson, the mother of the children,

884
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: the one that got the divorce.

885
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 1: The lawyer, Wendy Adelson's brother.

886
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: He decides to intervene and he gets his girlfriend, Katherine

887
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 2: Magbwana to arrange a hit and the hit men are

888
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: the father of her chill ldren, Sigfredo Garcia and his

889
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: friend Louise Rivera. Okay, there is Catherine Magbonwa and the

890
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: father of her children, Sigfreda Garcia and his buddy Luis Rivera.

891
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: Okay.

892
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 2: Tell me how that whole thing went down, Gigi. And

893
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: isn't it quite the coincidence? Isn't it odd that everybody

894
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 2: around Wendy Adelson is dropping like flies now her mother

895
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 2: is on trial, but she is unscathed.

896
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: Neither person of interest or suspect.

897
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: Tell me how this whole thing went down with the

898
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 2: girlfriend with Charlie Adelson's girlfriend. Man, she must have been

899
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 2: a piece of work, because when I think of hit man,

900
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 2: I don't think, hey, I'll ask my husband to get

901
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: some of his low.

902
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: Life friends to pull off a hit.

903
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 2: You know, they're not all as in priests and virgins, Gigi,

904
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 2: birds of a feather, you know the rest. So he

905
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 2: thinks his girlfriend can arrange a murder and guess what

906
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: she does.

907
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean that's essentially what happened. And it was

908
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 12: pretty soon after they started seeing each other at Halloween

909
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 12: party where they're getting in their car to leave, and

910
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 12: he just asked her, hey, do you know anybody that

911
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 12: would hurt somebody? And she said yes and left it there.

912
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 12: And it wasn't until later on when the relocation was

913
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 12: a big issue with Donna, and we're going to hear

914
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 12: that on these wiretap calls as this trial progresses. It

915
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 12: was getting fever pitch. I don't think Charlie cared where

916
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 12: Wendy and the boys lived. He's a playboy making millions

917
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 12: of dollars every year, but it was important to Donna.

918
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 12: And as time went on and Donna got more frantic

919
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 12: and more obsessed with the location issue, he finally went

920
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 12: to her and said, we need to get this done.

921
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 12: That is when she went to her baby daddy, Sigfredo Garcia,

922
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 12: and proposed, would you like to make some money to

923
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 12: take care of somebody?

924
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: And he said yes.

925
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 12: After that he got his childhood friend, Luis Rivera, who

926
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 12: was the leader of the Miami sector of the Latin Kings,

927
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 12: to come along as a ride along essentially, and that's

928
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 12: where the plot started.

929
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 2: So Charlie Adelson, aka the Maestro, who is Wendy Adolson?

930
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 18: Ah?

931
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 2: There he is? What a fine figure of a man,

932
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 2: vanity plate maestro? Okay, whatever, So how is he making

933
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: so much money hand over fishgg how much money are

934
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 2: we talking about? What did he do for a living.

935
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 12: He's a periodontist, so that's a dental surgeon. Harvey the

936
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 12: father was only a dentist and owned the Adolson Institute,

937
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 12: which is their family dental practice. But Charlie would also

938
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 12: travel around South Florida and do day work at these

939
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 12: other dental offices, and he got paid a lot of money. Also,

940
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 12: the family preferred cash payments as opposed to credit card payments.

941
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 12: Charlie was notorious for having a safe his stacks of one.

942
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 2: Hundred bills in there. But Charlie, Yeah, he was driving

943
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 2: around supercars.

944
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,479
Speaker 12: He had a boat throwing money out left and right,

945
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 12: and he had to.

946
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 2: Meet with a supercar. The last thing I want is

947
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 2: a man pulling up in an expensive car. I mean

948
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: a guy pulls up in a Lamborghini.

949
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, bye bye. You know what that means to me?

950
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 2: That means he's having a midlife crisis, or he feels

951
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: like he's got to have a really expensive car to

952
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 2: impress people, because obviously his personality and intellect don't cut it.

953
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: So not interested. My husband drives a beat up SUV.

954
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 19: Beat up, totally beat up, and he doesn't care. That's

955
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 19: what I like about him. So this guy, what kind

956
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 19: of car? Is a supercar? Charlie Adelson, I believe he

957
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 19: had a Lamborghini If I recall correctly, it must have

958
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 19: been why I said Lamborghini.

959
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 2: Oh, I could just see him driving up now the

960
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 2: strip in Miami in his Lamborghini Maestro on his vanity.

961
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: So who's doctor Bubner?

962
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 2: B n E R Who Dave Mac?

963
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: Who's doctor Bubner?

964
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: I noticed that you, Dave Mac keep talking about doctor Bubner,

965
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 2: and I'm wondering why he just love to say Bubner?

966
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: Who is that?

967
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 9: Doctor Bubner is a Miami doctor who is a breast

968
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 9: augmentation specialist, and he refers to himself first as doctor

969
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 9: Bubner and then of course his patients are so happy

970
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 9: with the results that they in turn call him doctor

971
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 9: Bubner and.

972
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 2: Uh, okay, great, what does he have to do with

973
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: this case?

974
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 9: He's like the missing link in the Dan Markel murder mystery,

975
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 9: if you want to call it that. The prosecutors that

976
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 9: were investigating the case, they actually were able to high

977
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 9: end doctor Bubner. Between Katherin Macbanawah and Charlie Adelson and

978
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 9: that he did Katherine macbanawa's breast augmentation surgery as part

979
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 9: of the payment she got from Charlie Adelson for helping.

980
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,959
Speaker 2: To star's wait stop stop stop stop stop place play

981
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 2: speak no more. Are you hearing this, fattus? I assume, fattus,

982
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,439
Speaker 2: you've seen the series of moodies called The Apple Dumpling Gang. Okay,

983
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: Scott don Nott's and others in it. Yeah, you need

984
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 2: to see that. I showed it to the children. But

985
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 2: I think the title says it all. So the go

986
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 2: between Katherine mcbanoa, who set up the hit for Charlie

987
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 2: Adelson for his mother or the monster in law got

988
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 2: paid with a breast lift implants.

989
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm so happy right now because.

990
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 2: That's not hard to trace, right, he paid her with

991
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 2: knee breasts a and me.

992
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: Right right, Nancy.

993
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 10: But that the key there is Charlie paid her. Charlie

994
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 10: paid her, not Donna. It's not Donna fronting the bill

995
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 10: for this new press. And so what we're talking about

996
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 10: is is certainly this uh you know, code of folks

997
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 10: who are.

998
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: Conspiring with one another.

999
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 10: And then we have Donna Adelson, who, according to the fence,

1000
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 10: is just kind of a protective grandma.

1001
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 2: Protective mother tried the million dollar bribe. O. Did you

1002
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 2: not hear you need to turn up hearing aids? Did

1003
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: you not hear?

1004
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: GJ.

1005
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: McKelvey, just say, Charlie Adelson didn't give a flying fig

1006
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 2: where those boys lived. He only did it because his

1007
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 2: mother drove him insane to do it. He doesn't care.

1008
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 2: He didn't have a dog in that fight, no skin

1009
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 2: in the game. He did it because his mother would

1010
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 2: not leave him alone. He didn't care about the boys.

1011
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 10: But to say that that call this murder for higher

1012
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 10: plot is a logical leap that I'm not sure the

1013
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 10: evidence has supported yet. And so, uh, you know, I

1014
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 10: just think that's a bit of a stretch the prosecutor.

1015
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 10: They've already got there pound of flesh with the four

1016
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,959
Speaker 10: other convictions, and in defense of saying leave this.

1017
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, you're talking about the conviction of

1018
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: the brother, the playboy, Lamborghini Brother aka Maestro, the girlfriend

1019
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 2: with the breastlift, Katherine Maybanoi, the hit man, and his

1020
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 2: gang cohort. Those four have been convicted. None of them

1021
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: care about where the boys live. The only one that

1022
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 2: cares is Donna eight oldson. Catherine mcbanoi testifies under oath

1023
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: about how Charlie Adelson couldn't take a link without Mommy

1024
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 2: saying okay, you can go.

1025
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: So this was like a regular part of the way

1026
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: this worked.

1027
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 20: Whenever this conversation came up, he yes, we consult his

1028
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 20: mother and come back.

1029
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 5: And speak to you, and Jackie is an.

1030
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 9: Investigators use an undercover agent to make contact with Donna Adelson.

1031
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 9: The agent hands Dona Adelson a press release of Markel's murder,

1032
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 9: asks Adelson for five thousand dollars, and provides a phone number.

1033
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 9: Investigators intercepted called. Donna Adelson makes to Charlie asking him

1034
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 9: to meet with her about paperwork hand delivered to her

1035
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 9: outside her condo. Charlie asks if it involves him, and

1036
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 9: Donna says, probably both of us. Donna says she doesn't

1037
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 9: want to discuss this on the phone. Investigators continue to

1038
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 9: intercept calls. This time Charlie tells mom not to talk

1039
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 9: about things in the apartment. Adelson asked his mother what

1040
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 9: the letter asked for. Donna says this TV is probably

1041
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 9: about five Charlie asks if they ask for five thousand dollars.

1042
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 9: Donna Adelson responds affirmatively. Adlson calls Katherine mag Banawa and

1043
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 9: explains someone approached his mother. They're regarding her son and

1044
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 9: his ex girlfriend and asking for money. Investigators record Adolson

1045
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 9: saying to mac Baniwa, my mom doesn't know these guys.

1046
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 9: He says, paying someone off is not an admission of guilt.

1047
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 9: Conversations continue between Charlie Aedelson, Donna Adelson, Katherine Macbanawa, and

1048
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 9: Siefredo Garcia, all monitored by investigators.

1049
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 2: You know Eric Fattus's worst nightmare is a wire tab.

1050
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: Hey or an undercover agent?

1051
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 2: Eric Fattus, did you hear that an undercover agent approaches

1052
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 2: Adolson on the street. He's got a press release or

1053
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 2: an article about Markel's murder and says, hey, you owe

1054
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 2: me five thousand dollars. I have info on you and

1055
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 2: your son.

1056
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: What does she do?

1057
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 3: John?

1058
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: Call police? She calls her son.

1059
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 2: And goes, don't talk on the phone and makes us

1060
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 2: some crazy jargon to tell him a bribe a five

1061
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: thousand dollars she has just been put to her and

1062
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 2: they go, don't when somebody says don't talk on the phone,

1063
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 2: you know it's something bad or don't put it in

1064
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 2: writing you don't want to leave a trail, and that's

1065
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 2: what she says.

1066
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 10: Well, hey, what it could be. It sounds a little

1067
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 10: bit like entrapman. It sounds a little bit like government overreach.

1068
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 10: It sounds a little bit like Charlie Edelson was involved

1069
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 10: in some misdeeds and the government's trying to rope in

1070
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 10: somebody who did not have any direct involvement. Look, the

1071
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 10: mother may have known that Charlie Adamson did what he

1072
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 10: did and may have wanted to talk with him about that.

1073
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 10: None of that is criminal. And the fact that she says, oh,

1074
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 10: it involves both of us, well, she's the one who

1075
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 10: received the document and received the bump, which was this

1076
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 10: surreptitious encounter. And so hey, look, you know, calling your

1077
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 10: son to talk about it is not crime.

1078
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 2: You know what when you say things like Ron Bateman

1079
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 2: come out, you.

1080
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: Know, let's school Eric Fattis.

1081
01:02:53,600 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 2: If it's possible Bateman former sheriff, author homicide undercover, you

1082
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 2: name it Bateman.

1083
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: When I hear the.

1084
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 2: Words don't talk on the phone or don't talk in

1085
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 2: the apartment, why not talk in your apartment? If some

1086
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 2: guy I don't know literally bumps in to me on

1087
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 2: the street and tries to extract five grand from me.

1088
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 2: I'm calling police, but neither one of them call police.

1089
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 2: In fact, they don't talk on the phone all that started.

1090
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 13: Let me talk about that for one second. I've been

1091
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 13: in those positions. I have been the undercover guy. I

1092
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 13: have been the hit guy for a relationship that went bad.

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Speaker 21: And I was.

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Speaker 13: The guy on the phone during the undercover call in

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01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 13: this case with a wife, and it is so funny.

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01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 13: And I'm being undercovered narcotics detective for a long time

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01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 13: and got into this role as a hit man.

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Speaker 1: People always talk on the phone.

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Speaker 21: They try to talk in code, and I was talking

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01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 21: in code to this one particular lady. It's just so

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01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 21: funny there not as diabolical with their planning of a

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01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 21: murder like people think they should be. I had Maryland's

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01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 21: first life without parole case ever happened, and it was

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01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 21: a contract murder involving a wife and a husband. Totally

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01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 21: different case where I was the undercover hitman. But again,

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01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 21: it's just so funny how just things just crumple down

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01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 21: and the worst thing that you can have in any

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01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 21: kind of crime is another person. And if there's another person,

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01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 21: which in this case, there are several they'll altern on

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01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 21: each other, which obviously in this case they have what

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01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 21: I call in this case, and I don't know if

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01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 21: I've coined this I it's my own.

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01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 13: Thing or not, but it's relationship terrorism, like that bomb

1114
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 13: that was dropped on the husband before he went for

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01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 13: the speaking engagement. And then these guys here, the Garcia

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01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 13: and Rivera. I mean, come on, you think there's no

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01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 13: ring cameras across the street or at the front of

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01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 13: the house. I'm I mean, come on, it's just it's so.

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01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 2: And now it culminates from the hitmen to the breastlift

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01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: as payment for setting up the hit, to the son,

1121
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 2: the brother Charlie Adelson, to the mother, Donna Adelson. Now

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01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 2: the only one unscathed is Wendy Adelson, and all of this,

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01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,919
Speaker 2: according to prosecutors, was for her.

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01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: She says she knew nothing of it.

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01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 2: And speaking of Donna Adelson, she came this close, this

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01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 2: close to getting out of the country and going to

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01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 2: a non extradition jurisdiction, specifically the nam caught at the airport.

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Speaker 1: Listen, this is a sweetheart.

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01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 18: Let's go just get away, just get away somewhere, so

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01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 18: we could have sometimes think.

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01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 10: Okay, so your testimony is that you weren't trying to

1132
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 10: go to Vietnam because you.

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01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be able to be extradited from there.

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01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 18: So my husband actually had said, you know, we've been

1135
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 18: to Vietnam before with friends, we run vacation and it

1136
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 18: really was like a place of peace. And so he said,

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01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 18: if we go to a non extradition country, then if

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01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 18: the law enforcement decided that they wanted to arrest you

1139
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 18: or me, whatever both he said, then he said, we

1140
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 18: won't be sitting in a foreign prison waiting months to

1141
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 18: go back. We could buy a ticket and we could

1142
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 18: go home. And my understanding was that I could go

1143
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 18: home and I could turn myself in if that's.

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01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: What they wanted. Yeah, that's how it typically does not work.

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01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 2: You go to a non extradition country and then when

1146
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 2: the cops want to arrest you.

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01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: Just come home. Okay.

1148
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 2: That is what we call in the law flight as

1149
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 2: evidence of guilt.

1150
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: You leave the scene of.

1151
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 2: The crime, or you leave before you can get caught.

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01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 2: Everyone is wondering what else was heard on those tapped

1153
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 2: phone calls to gg McKelvey. We have been listening to

1154
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 2: Ellie on the stand now going on two days. What

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01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 2: did they say?

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01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 12: They pretty much went through a couple of calls, initially

1157
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,439
Speaker 12: about Wendy, and I think what the prosecution was trying

1158
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 12: to do was show that Donna was complaining about relationships

1159
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 12: and jobs that Wendy had chosen.

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01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 2: And she was having Charlie do her bidding for her.

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01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 12: You need to talk to your sister, talker out of this,

1162
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 12: You need to talk her into this. So I think

1163
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 12: the first couple of calls, that's what that was for.

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01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 12: Then we get into those bump calls that we've been

1165
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 12: talking about, where there's panic.

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01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 2: You know, Donna's not wanting to say much.

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01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 12: Charlie notoriously repeats himself in these wiretap calls, but it's

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01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 12: what we're hearing is the absence of the question, which,

1169
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 12: ex Girlfriend, what is five thousand dollars? Why is this

1170
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 12: random guy handing me some article about Dan on the street?

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01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 2: What is going on?

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01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 12: No police called nothing at all except that phone call

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01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 12: right after that, Charlie, we need to have dinner.

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01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: This involves the two of us.

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01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 12: The TV was about five and they have determined over

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01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 12: the course of these wiretaps, TV is code for murder.

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01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,560
Speaker 9: Jeffery Lecash was dating Wendy Agelson around the time of

1178
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 9: Dan murder and says he felt like he was being

1179
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 9: framed as the possible killer. La Casa says Wendy pushed

1180
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,839
Speaker 9: for details about an upcoming trip to Atlanta on July eighteenth,

1181
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 9: when he was leaving direction of travel. Turns out the

1182
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 9: killers rented a car similar in color and style to

1183
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 9: La CAS's gray Nissan Sentra and travel in the same

1184
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 9: direction as La Cass as they head out of town.

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01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,879
Speaker 9: He also notes he had plans to travel that route

1186
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 9: the same morning in June twenty fourteen that the hitman

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01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 9: arrived in Tallahassee during their first attempt to kill Markel.

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01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 2: JJ mccalveny, joining US investigative journalist, So Wendy Adelson's boyfriend

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01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 2: thought her family, including her, was trying to set him

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01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 2: up to take the fall for the murder.

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01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 12: Absolutely, and he told a story that would support that.

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01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 12: He and Wendy actually were on a break at her request.

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01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 12: She had just got back from a ten weeks day

1194
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 12: in Miami, and they met up and she said, look,

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01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 12: you know, I really just want some days alone. And

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01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 12: this is at the time that the actual murder happened.

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01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 12: They met up one last time, and as they're going

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01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 12: to their car, she turns and asks him about his trip.

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01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 12: It was happening the next day, Hey, what would cause

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01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 12: you not to go on your trip? Which way are

1201
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 12: you going? And he thought it was odd, and so

1202
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 12: he goes on about his day and come to find

1203
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 12: out both times, the first attempt that happened in June,

1204
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 12: that law enforcement did not know about, in fact, until

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01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 12: Luis Rivera told them in his profer they ranted a

1206
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 12: car very similar to Jeff Lacass's. And I don't think

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01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 12: it's much of a coincidence that on two separate trips

1208
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 12: in two separate months, when the killers are in town,

1209
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 12: that's when Jeff Lacass scheduled to go out. He would

1210
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 12: have taken a route that would have went very near

1211
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 12: Dan Markel's house about the same time that the two

1212
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 12: hitmen would have been fleeing the area after the shooting.

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01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 12: I absolutely think they tried to set Jeff up because

1214
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 12: it would be easy. He disliked Dan because he adopted

1215
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 12: the Adlesim way of thinking about Dan at the time

1216
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 12: he was with Wendy.

1217
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: That's what you do.

1218
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 12: Sometimes when you're in relationships. So it could have been

1219
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,600
Speaker 12: the perfect storm for him, but thank goodness he was

1220
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 12: able to.

1221
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 2: Isn't there other than brainwashing? The boyfriend Dave mac I'm interested,

1222
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:17,919
Speaker 2: I'm curious about a conversation. According to the boyfriend, Jeffrey Lacasse,

1223
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 2: he says, Wendy Adelson, the mom of the boys, Dan

1224
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:28,440
Speaker 2: Markel's wife that wanted the divorce and moved the boys away.

1225
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:33,480
Speaker 2: Wendy Adelson, according to Lacas, says, and I'm reading it verbatim,

1226
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 2: can I tell you something confidentially? Last summer, my brother

1227
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 2: looked into all options possible to take care of the

1228
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 2: Danny Markel problem, including hiring a hitman, and it would

1229
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 2: cost about fifteen thousand dollars. Okay. Then there was a question,

1230
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 2: is this some kind of joke Charlie Matt and the

1231
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,799
Speaker 2: boyfriend says, this was no joke.

1232
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 9: Jeff Lecash actually has already testified Nancy, and he broke

1233
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 9: this all out. Georgia Kapelman when the prosecutors actually was

1234
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 9: able to bring this out of him, and she even

1235
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 9: went back to, what was this a joke? Kind of

1236
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 9: like how Charlie blew off the TV as a divorce

1237
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 9: president kind of thing as a joke? And he was like, no,

1238
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 9: this is not a joke, because think about it. In

1239
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 9: contact Nancy, you've got Wendy Adels and volunteering that Charlie

1240
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 9: came up with a plan and it would cost fifteen grand.

1241
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 9: That's beyond joking. That's not an off handed comment. That

1242
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 9: is a very firm I got to get this off

1243
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 9: my chest kind of thing.

1244
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: And she did, you know what.

1245
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 2: And I don't care how angry I get at my husband.

1246
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 2: If someone said, hey, I'm going to give you a

1247
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 2: TV as a divorce present, it's cheaper than a hit man,

1248
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 2: they would get a total knuckle sandwich. Okay, But according

1249
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 2: to what the boyfriend says, this was no joe. And

1250
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 2: let me remind everyone, Wendy Adelson.

1251
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 1: Has not been charged. She is not a.

1252
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 2: Person of interest in the murder of Dan Marcel. Everyone

1253
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:23,879
Speaker 2: in our country is innocent. They are presumed innocent until

1254
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 2: and unless the state pierces that presumption of innocence with

1255
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:34,560
Speaker 2: guilt to prove the incident actually happened and the defendant

1256
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 2: is guilty. Wendy Adelson, as of tonight, has not been

1257
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 2: charged as a suspect or person of interest in this case.

1258
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 2: And we wait as justice unfolds for the so called

1259
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:55,799
Speaker 2: monster in law, Donna Adelson, Nancy Gray signing off goodbye

1260
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 2: friend

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01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 3: B.