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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Solid Verbal Boys and girls. My

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Speaker 2: name is Ty Hildebrand. That guy over there, the one

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Speaker 2: the start of the season as we round the home stretch.

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Speaker 2: Now WOA into our final week of conference previews. So

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Speaker 2: we did Part one of the Big Twelve on Friday.

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Speaker 1: August the sixth. I just hit my knee on the table. Continue.

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Speaker 2: We're doing part two now on August the ninth, and

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Speaker 2: the season. So we're the season is getting awfully big

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Speaker 2: in the window, Dan, and we're now rounding the home

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Speaker 1: How are you? Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. And obviously

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we're doing second part of Big twelve Conference

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Speaker 1: USA today and a couple independence I'm great, Ty, I

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Speaker 1: am great. My voice feels pretty good. I'm still trying

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Speaker 2: So, okay, let's get on with the Big Twelve. On

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Speaker 2: the last show that we did, I got the Texas

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Speaker 2: So Phil Steele is all in on Oklahoma this year.

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Speaker 1: That to me is a looming question. But you're right

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Speaker 1: Their first real real test. By the way, if we're

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Speaker 2: The fifty first most difficult schedule in college football, and

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Speaker 2: difficulty is forty third nationally. The setup isn't great, though

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Speaker 2: no setup really isn't great for a team like West Virginia,

432
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 2: where I think we both have a lot of questions.

433
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 2: We have questions about is this offense going to take

434
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 2: another step forward and be better than they were like

435
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: top seventy or something nationally in terms of the sp plus.

436
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: I think the defense will still be there. They bring

437
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 2: back a fair amount on defense. They're going to play defense,

438
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: but offensively, can they get any level of consistency a

439
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 2: better level of efficiency. That's really the operative question there,

440
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: and again the over under is six and a half.

441
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 2: You can sense that Vegas is asking a lot of

442
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 2: the same questions of this your squad. Do you feel

443
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 2: more strongly about seven than you do six wins?

444
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: Total wins? Yeah, yeah, I'd probably take them to win. Man,

445
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: if there's quarterbacks that's not there, it's hard, like, yeah,

446
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take them six and six, I think, Yeah, so.

447
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: You go under. I would probably go under two to

448
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: be honest. So, yeah, the way this sets up, just

449
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: with the way the sport is going, I'm gonna need

450
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 2: you to score thirty points more often, exactly. And that's

451
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: hard for me to admit. It's probably even harder for

452
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Speaker 2: you to admit. Frankly, you are a big brown guy.

453
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 2: You love Neil Brown. Yeah, both thought this was a

454
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: really good fit, a good hire for West Virginia, but

455
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 2: just a lot of uncertainty, and truly one of those

456
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Speaker 2: situations we're having a lot of returning a lot of

457
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: returning talent, a lot of returning starters on offense, doesn't

458
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: necessarily mean that there's going to be improvement.

459
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just like twenty four seemed like against teams

460
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: that I think they played Will Howard, Kansas State, but

461
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: they that offense sort of maxed out at twenty twenty

462
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: four points most of the time, which all right. Again

463
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: we discussed the theme of the defense is intriguing. Where

464
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: are the points coming from on offense within the conference itself,

465
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Speaker 1: but West Virginia in particular seems maybe a bit more

466
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: pronounced at that point. I want to go to K State.

467
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: K State to me is just incredibly intriguing. They've been

468
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: now for two years running under Chris Cleman. K State.

469
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Speaker 2: On paper, if you go back and look at what

470
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Speaker 2: they did last year, I don't have twenty nineteen in

471
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: front of me, but I'm assuming it's going to be

472
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: in the same category. Did not have great numbers. No,

473
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Speaker 2: they lost five in a row to close out the

474
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Speaker 2: year to West Virginia, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Baylor in Texas.

475
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: They didn't play particularly well and in most of those

476
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Speaker 2: games played Okay, against Baylor, they could have won that game.

477
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: But point being, I don't know if this is the

478
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Speaker 2: type of squad that you can look at and look

479
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 2: at these numbers and take them as seriously as you

480
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 2: would another school. Because they also beat Oklahoma. They bet

481
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: TC with Skyler Thompson. With Skyler Thompson, So how do

482
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: we classify case State now? As who move forward into

483
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: twenty one? They will have Skyler Thompson back Due's fallen

484
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: obviously still there. This is a team that brings back

485
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 2: ten starters on offense, not as much on defense. Do

486
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: we feel like there is going to be an appreciable

487
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 2: gain in terms of what this team can do from

488
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: an efficiency standpoint, which is really what's been lacking for them.

489
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 2: The efficiency consistency has not been there, despite the fact

490
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Speaker 2: that they play really hard and are ever the threat

491
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Speaker 2: for some of the elite within the Big twelve.

492
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Speaker 1: Oh I think Kansas is more intriguing than the majority

493
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Speaker 1: of this conference. They won four of five and then

494
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: lost five of five and had two of those games

495
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: look exceedingly winnable. The losses too, I think it was

496
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: Baylor and Oklahoma State. Yes, those two games are exceedingly witable.

497
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: Even with Will Howard, who I think has a bunch

498
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: of promise, he just couldn't really protect the ball. Skyler

499
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: Thompson's healthy. I think they're in a really interesting place

500
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: because they have one of the most dangerous players in

501
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: college football. Induce Vaughan, who is five foot five, and

502
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: you will hear that all the time. Let's get past it.

503
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: He is short, he is lethal. He will make teams

504
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: across this conference good, bad, and everything in between. He'll

505
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: make them pay. That's just how good he is. They

506
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: had a crazy COVID year last year. Obviously, Skyler Thompson

507
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: goes down with an injury. White Hubert with one of

508
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: their better defensive players in the modern era. He's gone

509
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: and covered up for a lot of elements to that

510
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: defense upfront, I would say last year, but it was

511
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: a weirdly inefficient but explosive offense, largely because of duce Vaughan,

512
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: almost like where Stanford was with Bryce Love. Like offense

513
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: isn't a good place, but maybe Bryce Love will run

514
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: for you know, a random ninety three yard run to

515
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: even out the score or something like that. So I

516
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: think the steadying influence of Skyler Thompson will go a

517
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: long way. I still think wide receiver and to a

518
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: lesser extent, tight end. Tight End is just a big

519
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: old who knows we've been waiting for Malik Knoles to

520
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: take the next step. I know, Philip Brooks is a name,

521
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, there's not that obvious game changer that can

522
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: take attention away from duce Vaughan out of the backfield

523
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: catching the ball or running the ball. The offensive line

524
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: returns guys, but they didn't get a great push last year.

525
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 1: That was sort of a deficiency of this offense. So

526
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's strange to think that Kansas State

527
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: has questions along the line of scrimmage after so many

528
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: years where that always seemed to be a strength. But

529
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: here we are. So I hope Skyler Thompson stays upright,

530
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: and if he does, I think they're gonna win more

531
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: games than they lose. But if he again has a

532
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: health issue and they're reliant on whoever is behind him

533
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: this year, it's going to be another long, long year

534
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: for the Cats.

535
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: The Cats have the sixth most difficult schedule per Field.

536
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: Still, it's not super forgiving.

537
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: It's not forgiving the over under per Vegas his five

538
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 2: and a half, which feels low for this team.

539
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: I probably would take the over. But so they have

540
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: the body clock game in Arlington against Stanford right that

541
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: Stanford's gonna be playing at like nine am body time.

542
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: September fourth. Yeah, and then the Nevada game, Carson Strong

543
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: has a couple good receivers. That's gonna like, that's really

544
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: going to test Kansas State, And I like the k

545
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: State secondary is definitely a strength of this team, but

546
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: that's going to test them. And then I have here

547
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State and Oklahoma and then Iowa State the following week.

548
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: Is that correct?

549
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: No, it's Oklahoma State at Oklahoma State last week of September,

550
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: right next week, first week of October home against Oklahoma,

551
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: then a bye week, oh okay.

552
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: And then Iowa State. Not that it makes it that

553
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: much better.

554
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: Right bye week before Iowa State, Texas Tech again finding

555
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: its way into an odd crevas before a TCU their

556
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: homecoming game.

557
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I for some reason, schedules don't bother me with

558
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: k State, Like I think they just sort of exist

559
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: outside of our normal rules about college football. So yeah,

560
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: the back half is better. It's after Iowa State at

561
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: Texas Tech, TACU at Kansas West, Virginia Baylor, and they

562
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: finished at Texas whatever like road home back to backs.

563
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. For whatever reason, normal rules don't exist

564
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: for the Cats, But still I think I like the

565
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: over I think having defensive elements and a good quarterback

566
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: are go a long way for me.

567
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: I completely agree. If you told me right now, just

568
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: based on this schedule, that case date would start with

569
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: a win over Stanford, a win over Southern Illinois, a

570
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: losst to Nevada, a horrible loss to Oklahoma State, but

571
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: then wins back to back over Oklahoma and Iowa State

572
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: before losing the rest of their Like, I would believe that.

573
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: I really, I have no way.

574
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: To gauge how they're going to do this season. You

575
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: can bring back all twenty two, it doesn't matter. Doesn't

576
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: matter to me because I think you're right. They kind

577
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: of exist in this weird space outside of this social

578
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: construct here of idipedules.

579
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: We're talking about a program who gave up thirty five

580
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: points to both Arkansas State and Oklahoma and flipped the

581
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: expected win loss to those teams last year. B loues

582
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: Arkansas State and beat Oklahoma. So yeah, the normal rules

583
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: don't apply. This is a different divension of college football

584
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: as it really k State. So yeah, I have them

585
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: at seven and five, you know, with breaks and an

586
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: emerging receiver. I keep saying that for a bunch of

587
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,239
Speaker 1: teams all over the place, but you know, with a

588
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: step forward pop wise, which I think is more reasonable

589
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: with Skylar Thompson than it is, say for Jared Dggy

590
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: or somebody. Yeah, I think I'm buying in. I think

591
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: there's something about the consistency of K State and the

592
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: development of K State. Yeah, I see them as being

593
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: a legit scary team to face any given week.

594
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: Let's go to Lawrence, Kansas, Okay, final Big Twelve team

595
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: of our Part two preview. Kansas has the fourth most

596
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: difficult schedule in college football this year, mostly because they're Kansas.

597
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: That's what makes it tricky.

598
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: Not only because they're Kansas, but this is a tough

599
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: spot for Lancelipepold. We both like Lancelipe Pold a lot.

600
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: Comes over from Buffalo, where he was very successful for

601
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: a couple of years, won a bunch of championships at

602
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: Wisconsin Whitewater.

603
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: Good coach. Buffalo a tough place to win, by the way, Yeah,

604
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: like not the easiest place in the MAC to win

605
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: a bunch of games. No, He's did a great job.

606
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 2: There and nine and six in his time at Wisconsin Whitewater.

607
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: I like it. Good coach, Does Kansas win a Big

608
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: Twelve game this year, they have a bye week before

609
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. Okay, who knows, that's all. I mean, that's

610
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: as good as I can tell you. Look, last year

611
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: nothing went right, just like the year before that, just

612
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: like the year before that, and so forth. After a

613
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: brief high with Mark Mangino, Les Miles was fired amid

614
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: allegations of sexual misconduct while he was at LSU. So

615
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: Leiphold comes over and I believe may so not ideal

616
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: in terms of a full off season that you don't

617
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: have spring camp. The coordinators that he hired were his

618
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: Buffalo guys and his white Water guys, so there's a

619
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: familiarity there. And obviously there was an element of just

620
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: do what you see as being right because we obviously

621
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: I mean Kansas hires a Northwestern an ad from Northwestern

622
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: to take over for Jeff Long. So this is all

623
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: just again the studs. The appeal of this Kansas team,

624
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 1: I guess it's another fresh start and a change in defense.

625
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: There's this is not an untalented team. It's not a

626
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 1: talented team, but it's not this is not a an

627
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: FCS level team in terms of roster construction. There are

628
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: guys in a couple places you know they Andrew Parchment

629
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: left for Florida State. He was a standout receiver for Kansas,

630
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: at least relative to Kansas. There were guys, There were

631
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: guys on the defense, there were guys on the offense.

632
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: That just was such a culturally woe begotten team that

633
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: would work. It just wasn't gonna happen. Non conference this

634
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: year includes South Dakota back to Coastal playing Coastal and Duke.

635
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: So I don't know, depending on how you feel about Duke,

636
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: that could be a weird game. If you remember, Kansas

637
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: randomly went in and ran all over Boston College, so

638
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: you know that was a couple of years ago. Honestly,

639
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: I think that's the best chance to win. I think

640
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: that Duke game.

641
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 2: It's on the road, but yeah, I think Duke's probably

642
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: a better shot than Texas Tech. Yeah, but I don't

643
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: think any wins in the Big twelve, I think, And

644
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: that's the problem that I have here. Now. Look, it's

645
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: it's tough to dunk too much on Kansas right now.

646
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: They went to nine a year ago, they're starting over.

647
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: We know the situation. It's not even fun to like

648
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: gang up on Kansas and make fun of no, the

649
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 2: state of affairs here because we genuinely want them to improve,

650
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: and I think Lance Leipold's the guy who can do it.

651
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: I think as opposed to whatever they've been trying here,

652
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: this is a guy who has gone in. He's gotten

653
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: the most out of talent. They needed a guy like this, Frankly,

654
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: if they wanted to try and resurrect this program. It's

655
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: just he's up against it. He's up against it with

656
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: despite the fact that there is talent trying to get

657
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: them better organized, he's up against it. Given the fact

658
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: the schedule is brutal, there's not a whole lot on here.

659
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: And I don't care what team you are, there's not

660
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: a whole lot on here. If you were Oklahoma, you

661
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to play this schedule, right because outside of

662
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: going to Duke, they've got a game Kansas does. They

663
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: open up the first week against South Dakota, which has

664
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 2: proven to be at spots of difficult matchup Coyotes. They

665
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: go to Coastal Carolina the following week, and then outside

666
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: of Duke, gets a big twelve schedule that travels to

667
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: Iowa State, to Oklahoma State, to Texas and to TCU

668
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: and oh, by the way, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State back

669
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: to back weeks, road tilts against Texas and TCU back

670
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: to back weeks, and sandwiched in between those two little stretches,

671
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: they've got a home game against Kansas State, which is

672
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: not I mean, it's a rivalry and it's not a

673
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: winnable game. In my view, this is tough. This is

674
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: going to be an uphill bat or battle for Lancelope

675
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 2: Pold in year one, in year two, in year three,

676
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: probably in years four and five as well.

677
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: South Dakota and n Ala that code by the way,

678
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: I'm thinking South Dakota State, North Dakota State. Yeah, yeah,

679
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: so maybe they borrowed something from their cross state rival.

680
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: But regardless, you get the point. It is not an

681
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: easy schedule by any stretch. And you know, I hope

682
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: lance Leipold can do it. I'm tired of seeing Kansas

683
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: down and out. That's not that's not fun for us.

684
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 2: And I do think that he's a good coach who

685
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 2: can who can make a difference over time.

686
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: It's just gonna take a bit. Yeah, this is this

687
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: is much more of a like time capsules come back

688
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: and reassess in twenty twenty four than anything else. Totally,

689
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: totally yep. So yeah, that's my half of the Big twelve.

690
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: I would take Oklahoma to win the conference, not going

691
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: away because Iowa State has proven itself to be quite formidable.

692
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm going to roll with the Sooners once

693
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: again because I especially think the biggest improvement continues between

694
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: those two teams continues to be the Oklahoma defense more

695
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: than anything Iowa State does or necessarily has the talent

696
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: to do in terms of offensive improvement, And with Brock

697
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: Purty having a couple of fourth quarter eggs in him

698
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: every year, I think the more reliable element is going

699
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: to be Oklahoma football. You did BYU as well, didn't you?

700
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: I did do BYU. BYU is a tough schedule, much

701
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: more so than I think we all know what they

702
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: did in twenty twenty with Zach Wilson being incredible, and

703
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: they had that the last second scheduling situation against Coast

704
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: and they lose that game in the last second. But

705
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: this is a team that essentially just trounced everybody that

706
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: they play. I think the UTSA game was close, but

707
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: otherwise they're twenty twenty on both sides of the ball.

708
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: Was truly incredible, but because of twenty twenty, their schedule

709
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: had to adjust. I think they have five PAC twelve

710
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: teams this year. With a new offensive coordinator replacing a

711
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: bunch of guys on both sides of the ball, they

712
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: should be fine, but they're going to take a noticeable

713
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: step back.

714
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: They have to. They have to, I'm just looking at

715
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: it now. On offense, they don't lose as much as

716
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: they do on defense, but they do lose Zach Wilson,

717
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: which is a pretty big ones. And on defense they

718
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: lose seven starters. And in a year like twenty twenty

719
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: one where every team is just filled to the broom

720
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: with experience, that kind of puts BYU at a bit

721
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: of a disadvantage.

722
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the defense was I mean, it's hard

723
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: to say a strength considering how they were destroying teams

724
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: with a balance attack on offense, but defensively they were fantastic.

725
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: And it's just, you know, it's just an incredibly tough

726
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: act to follow when you look at here we go

727
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: Arizona in Vegas, Vegas, Yeah, Utah as uh later on

728
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: Boise State at home. They traveled to McClean to take

729
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: on Baylor Wazoo on the road, which I'm not terribly

730
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: high on Wazoo this year, but then Virginia USC USC

731
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: on the road to finish out the year. Even at

732
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: Georgia Southern Southern bro is going to be tricky, man,

733
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: hm option, Look, I don't know who's.

734
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 2: The new quarterback Jacob Conover, Yes, at the guy I believe,

735
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 2: so yeah, just tough ask.

736
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: All right, who else do you have?

737
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 2: One?

738
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: Other independent? Randows? Two very bad teams Okay, New Mexico

739
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 1: State and U Mess U Mess had to throw together

740
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: schedule on the fly last year. There once again not

741
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: going to be good. I don't have much to add

742
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: about it. They played good teams as an independent and

743
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: they're just not going to be all that good. And

744
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: New Mexico State is I don't have a lot of

745
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: good things to say. I mean, Doug Martin, I think

746
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: has done a pretty good job in Las Cruses, but

747
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: they replace like everybody.

748
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: It's a full on we have no returning starters on defense. Yeah,

749
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: so wild.

750
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: I wish I had more to add about there. The Aggies.

751
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: I believe New Mexico State, but I don't. I mean,

752
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 1: I think Walt Bell is going to have another really

753
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: really long year at UMS. And that's it. That's all

754
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: I have.

755
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know what if to tell

756
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 2: you the funny thing about Walt Bell, I frequent during

757
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 2: the season, as I'm sure you do the old Coach

758
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: hot Seat website coach hotseat dot com or they just rank.

759
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Waltbell dot edu.

760
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: It's been the same turmoiled photo of Walt Bell on

761
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: the on the first like in the first two rows

762
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: of this website for I don't know, in the last.

763
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: Two years at least. So they have pitt Boston College

764
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: and Florida State. Yeah that's and Liberty on the road

765
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: as an independent team. Yeah at Coastal. I mean, it's

766
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: just they're gonna get worked over. Okay, some teams are

767
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: just not meant for FBS football, and right now the

768
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: current iteration of UMS and New Mexico State are and

769
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: Kansas I'm just not meant right now for FBS football.

770
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: I think I was also supposed to do Yukon, which

771
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: I did not do. But I don't have much to add.

772
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: Randy Etzel's back, Yeah, it's fifty year back after being

773
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: there for I guess eleven years prior before his stint

774
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: at Maryland two and ten a year ago. I have

775
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: not had a chance to look over two years ago.

776
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: They didn't play last year, but yeah, I didn't play too.

777
00:43:54,760 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, so we'll get back to you on the

778
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: Yukon front. But I don't have any appreciable I don't

779
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: have any appreciable reason to believe that we're going to

780
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: take any giant steps forward. No, they play Clemson, which

781
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: is just brutality.

782
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were in the American two years ago when

783
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: they went to and ten. Now they're in an independent. Yeah,

784
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: it's I don't know. I don't think there's too much ad.

785
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: You want me to go Conference USA, Dan, Yeah, take

786
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: me to East. Let's go East. I okay, okay, let's

787
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: take a knee. Here I went.

788
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: I went through the eastern side of this year Conference USA.

789
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: Who jumped out? The only team that jumps out to

790
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 2: me is Marshall. If the only team that jumps out, Okay,

791
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 2: Marshall went seven and three a year ago. They started

792
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: seven and zero and then they got the injury bug,

793
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: which sucks, particularly on offense this year. So it's a

794
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: decent enough team going into this season. Doc Holidays out,

795
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: Charles Huff is in Charles uf family from Bama.

796
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: Yep.

797
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, this team is the clear class of the MAC East.

798
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: It is not the easiest schedule. They have to play

799
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: both Navy and app State. But if you were trying

800
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: to handicap, you're not super high on Navy. Though not

801
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 2: super high on Navy, yeah I'm not. But as these

802
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: things go, if you're a Conference USA team playing up

803
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: against an option offense, sure from the American that's not.

804
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: The easiest in the games.

805
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 2: So from that standpoint at least, I'm I'm I'm pretty

806
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 2: high on Marshall. I think Marshall is a clear class

807
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: of this side of the conference. After Marshall, though, it

808
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: gets a little bit murky. After Marshall, I'm not really

809
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 2: sure who's jumping up who's fallen down. You can look

810
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 2: at FAU. Maybe FAU went five and four year ago.

811
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: The defense was solid under your boy Jim Levitt, who

812
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 2: was Since he left, right, he's left to go to SMU.

813
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 2: Now it's Mike Stoops, remember him. Of course, Mike Stoops

814
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: is stepping in to coach the Owls on defense. He

815
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: has a ton of experience to work with. It's really

816
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 2: a question of offense, though, and this is another team

817
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: that's really bad on offense, which you will find to

818
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: be a recurring theme as we go through the Conference

819
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: USA East.

820
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: It could be Western Kentucky. Man, I was high.

821
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: I was hoping for Charlotte and Will Healey. No, we'll

822
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: get to We'll get to Charlotte. Will Okay, I don't

823
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 2: think I don't think so. I'm not feeling that I

824
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: like o'healey, but I'm not Western Kentucky. Maybe as the

825
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: next team up. They were five and seven a year ago,

826
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 2: really good defense, but their defensive coordinator left for South Carolina.

827
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: Sure Maurice Crumb, Notre Dame fans will remember that name.

828
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 2: He is the new defensive coordinator stepping in. He's going

829
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: to have a decent line to work with. And I

830
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 2: think again it will be a situation where the defense

831
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: is the class of the team. The offense was really bad.

832
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: They only scored more than twenty four points two times

833
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: last season, and Tyson Helton did something that I have

834
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 2: never heard of before to try and to mind the situation,

835
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 2: which was he basically got all of Houston Baptist's offense

836
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: to transfer over. I never that was Houston Baptist was

837
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 2: the team that put like six hundred yards on Texas Tech.

838
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: Right, they were great? One ye, they were great. They

839
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: were great. They scored thirty points a bunch of times.

840
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: Last year.

841
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 2: He recruited over the offensive coordinator, the quarterback, and three

842
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: wide receivers to come and play offense.

843
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: The strategy I appreciate identity. I can't remember anybody ever

844
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: doing that before. But I like it.

845
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 2: I like it, and that's why I'm on Western this year.

846
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: If nothing else, they went a full offensive transplant, well

847
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: transplant of the offense.

848
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 1: And you know, we'll see.

849
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 2: It could be like hair plugs and they could die,

850
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: but it could also be really really fun.

851
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: It is a lot you would hope a team is

852
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: able to develop from within, to keep taking steps forward

853
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: instead of hoping for the best, like going after a minor,

854
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: minor league team. Yeah, we'll see. I don't know, okay,

855
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: FIU strategy, Cotton, I'll tell you this.

856
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be FIU as an next man up,

857
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 2: next team up, zero to five last year. Really bad

858
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: at passing, oh my god, good at running back. The

859
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 2: line is okay. I have no idea who's playing quarterback

860
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: this year. I don't think they do either. It could

861
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: be Max Bortenschlager.

862
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 1: Oh Man blast from the past. Yeah, middle tennis season.

863
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: Other one. It's an important year for Rick stock Still.

864
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

865
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 2: They were three and six a year ago. Bill Connolly

866
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: says they were worse than their record. We have a

867
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 2: ton of starters back.

868
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: Okay. Good. Good to have starters back from a team

869
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: that you just described as worse than their bad record.

870
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: They were worse than their bad record. Yeah, they were,

871
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 2: They really were. Billy Hawkman comes over, remember that name

872
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: from Ancis State. Sure, he's getting out from the Devin

873
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 2: Leary shadow. So that's okay. It's just mostly a question

874
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: of whether or not it's a good thing that so

875
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 2: many guys are back. As you said, they had a

876
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 2: nice little run a couple of years ago, but they

877
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: started leaking oil in twenty nineteen. It continued again last year.

878
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 2: It's an important year for coach Stockstill, if only because

879
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: is this a trend now or was last year in aberration?

880
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, right, not in all the Blue Raiders. No,

881
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm not. Well, heally your boy, my guy, I was.

882
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: I'm hoping for the best for him.

883
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 2: But yeah, two and six last year they took a

884
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 2: step back on both sides of the ball. The defense

885
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 2: was comically bad, so bad this year, I think they

886
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 2: get better. I do think they get better. They're not

887
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: going to get better to the point where they're challenging Marshall.

888
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: But.

889
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 2: I think better. Chris Reynolds is back at quarterback, which helps.

890
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 2: He's a fifty year guy. They've got a good receiving

891
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: core to throw to. The defense is going to be

892
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: working progress though. That's something Will Heally went out, tried

893
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: to work the transfer portal to bring in some talent

894
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: that can help plug the gaps and reinvigorate the defense.

895
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: But they were really bad. They were so bad last year.

896
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 2: Dan correct that it's going to take. It's going to

897
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 2: take a lot. And then that brings us to the

898
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: Monarchs of Old Dominion, where he Rannie Squad. I am

899
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 2: high on Ronnie Squad.

900
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 1: Here an Old Dominion.

901
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: They didn't play football last year. Well this helps rested.

902
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 2: They're well rested. This is one of the three teams

903
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 2: in FBS that canceled its season, so we didn't get

904
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: to see Ricky Ronnie in year one, but now technically

905
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: in year two we will see what he has to offer.

906
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: Because of canceling the season, they were obviously transfers. There's

907
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: just a lot of turnover. Now. Last time they played

908
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 2: was nineteen. He did a pretty good job in his

909
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 2: own right, holding onto as much of that talent as

910
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: he could, convincing guys stick around and not leave. Also,

911
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 2: recruiting has been very strong. Ricky Ronnie's first class at

912
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: ODU featured seventeen to three stars.

913
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: Okay, which feels like a lot for.

914
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 2: Old Dominion is not like a very old FBS program,

915
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: right That feels like a lot to me? Does that

916
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 2: sound like a lot to you?

917
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: It does? Do they play Virginia Tech this year? Because

918
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: I'd be scared if I were the hookies. If they haven't,

919
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: they do not, Oh well, and everything is fine for

920
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: the hoax. They do not.

921
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: But I think this is going to be a strong

922
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: debut on the field. Finally, for Ricky Ronnie, I think

923
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 2: he's done a good job. And I was not the

924
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 2: biggest Ricky Ronnie fan at Penn State before he got here,

925
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 2: but I think he's My local knowledge of the area,

926
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: let's say, leads me to believe that Ricky Ronnie's doing

927
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: good things at Old Dominium and just watch out for

928
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: this program over the next couple of years. Not gonna

929
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: happen this year, though. What is your local knowledge of

930
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 2: I'm looking it up right now. I know it's somewhere

931
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: in Virginia, Norfolk, Virginia.

932
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 1: I have. I have sources on the ground in Norfolk, Virginia.

933
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: Is that true? It is true. Do you have like

934
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of xes in Norfolk, Virginia?

935
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 2: I definitely do not. But the interesting tidbit here is

936
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: Dariel Mack remember that name. Of course, Sariel Max would

937
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: be the starring quarterback. Yeah, I'm currently looking at three

938
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 2: two thirty.

939
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: Okay, what else do I need to know about ODU?

940
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: That's pretty much it, Dan, That's pretty much it. I

941
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 1: am looking up Norfolk Virginia right now because you claim

942
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: to have sources on the ground. I do, And I'm

943
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: going to tell you what I think about Norfolk, Virginia

944
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: and their highest rated restaurants on YELP. I was at

945
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: a top gulf in Norfolk. I'd blame were you in

946
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: Norfolk at all?

947
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: I was visiting friends sources perhaps in Norfolk, Virginia not

948
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: too long ago, pre COVID, of course, and I was

949
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 2: at a top golf in Norfolk amid a possible tornado

950
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 2: warning which did interesting things with the golf ball.

951
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. If if their highest rated restaurants are any

952
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: indication the greater Norfolk, Virginia area, you gotta say Norfolk

953
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: if you want to be Norfolk. Yeah, by what was

954
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: by Chesapeake and Portsmouth, Virginia beach YEP, it seems to

955
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: be pretty diverse. It is so may Maar is a

956
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: Filipino poke type place.

957
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 2: We're not talking about We're not talking about the Winger

958
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: for PSG.

959
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: This is Maymar with an am at the top. Penang

960
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: Town Malaysian food, also really well reviewed, Happy Cafe, that

961
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: sort of sandwich place, The Bangladeshi b Stro super well reviewed.

962
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: I'm just mister Schwarma looks fantastics. Mister anything is a

963
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: great restaurant named mister Schwarma is my father? Please call

964
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 1: me Pete. I'm just saying tamarind for Indian. This is

965
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: so many good options, Lucha for Italian.

966
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 2: I believe, I believe, I believe geography bee question here

967
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 2: from a just from the standpoint of what is considered

968
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: the Greater Virginia Beach slash Norfolk area.

969
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

970
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 2: It may be the largest city in the country just

971
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: in terms of like square mileage. Really it's a big area.

972
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 2: I haven't been anywhere like Newport News Hampton. I haven't

973
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 2: spent any time on like the Virginia Maryland Chesapeake.

974
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: Like I don't know this area at all. Like I've

975
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: been all over the country, but this is definitely like

976
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: a blind spot for me. I have no reference points

977
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: for what it's like to be around there. Oh, you

978
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: need to get out more. I mean, that's what this

979
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: comes down to. I definitely do. It's a bunch of capes, bays, inlets.

980
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 1: It's Smith's. Nobody can say that word. It's Smith. Nobody

981
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: can say no. I don't know this area at all,

982
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: but it looks I mean, the eating looks terrific. Yeah,

983
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: that's all already. Well, there you go.

984
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: We'll see what the Monarchs can do this year, and

985
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 2: we'll see if anybody can take that crown away from

986
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: Marshall on the eastern side.

987
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: I believe Purdue hired the Marshall defensive coordinator who did

988
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: a lot of good things, Brad Lambert. I leave He's

989
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: off to Purdue, So okay. I don't know if that

990
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: resonates with Boilers all that much considering. But hey, that's

991
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: something that's all I got, Dan, all right, it's all

992
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: I have. I mean, I'm going to further research Virginia Beach,

993
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: research Virginia Beach and Norfolk and research the PAC twelve North.

994
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: Oh that I should do that too.

995
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the final conference that we've got on

996
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 2: the dock at here. The final two preview shows that

997
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 2: we have from a conference standpoint again will be the

998
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 2: PAC twelve North, PAC twelve South, and then we will

999
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 2: round the corner and do our national preview. We've got

1000
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 2: some other exciting shows in the queue. We talked to

1001
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: some coaches, Dan h which we're excited to unveiled. It's

1002
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 2: very true we're going to be dropping that show. We'll

1003
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 2: see about fantasy things. Maybe that will be on the

1004
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 2: horizon as well. So we have some open slots here

1005
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 2: before we get into the actual college football season that

1006
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 2: we will keep you updated on. Of course, for all

1007
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 2: the updates fall along on social media, but for the

1008
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: true behind the scenes stuff, you're going to want to

1009
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 2: go out to verbowlers dot com and check out our discord.

1010
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 2: Check out some of the posts that we put up.

1011
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 2: Got a lot of excitement, A lot of cool stuff

1012
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: going on as we round the corner. Now, I keep

1013
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 2: saying that I don't know why head into the college

1014
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 2: football season in twenty twenty one.

1015
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:10,720
Speaker 1: Great.

1016
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: Can't wait for that guy over there, my good friend

1017
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 2: Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hillebrandt, thank you so much

1018
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 2: for downloading, for listening, for.

1019
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: Playing along at home.

1020
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 2: We will be coming back at you here in just

1021
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: a few days. In the meantime, stay safe, stay happy,

1022
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: stay solid, peace, and stay hydrated.

1023
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: Stay hydrated. Sure, we gotta stay hydrated.