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Speaker 3: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Breaking Points. Thanks so

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Speaker 3: much for joining us on this pre holiday episode. Ryan, actually,

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Speaker 3: you know it's the day before Thanksgiving. But what else

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Speaker 3: is Ryan Grimm doing other than breaking news? So he

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Speaker 3: has a news story getting into additional Epstein emails that

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Speaker 3: Dropsite has obtained where we learn about Epstein doing a

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Speaker 3: little behind the scenes work in the case of John Meersheimer.

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Speaker 4: Ryan, you're going to break that story down for us, and.

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Speaker 5: Of course I'm fan of the show.

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Speaker 6: In front of the show, Alan Dershowitz is involved, who

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Speaker 6: if you haven't seen. Dropside also posted this clip of

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Speaker 6: Barry Wise saying that her method of kind of controlling

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Speaker 6: the media going forward is she wants to cancel everybody

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Speaker 6: outside of the center left and the center right. She said,

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Speaker 6: there will be no Hassan Pikers, no Tucker Carlson's And

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Speaker 6: as a model for how she would like to see

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Speaker 6: discourse go on between the forty yard lines, she said,

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Speaker 6: which I don't understand because like you can actually so

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Speaker 6: there's no red zone activity in.

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Speaker 4: This Tucker scoring the touchdowns.

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Speaker 6: That part, like I think the analogy kind of fell apart,

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Speaker 6: But this is what she said. Within the forty yard lines,

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Speaker 6: those are the only player. She wouldn't let the players

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Speaker 6: go beyond the forty yard lives. But the players she

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Speaker 6: cited were a debate between Dana Losche, former NRA spokesperson

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Speaker 6: or maybe still current and Alan Dershowitz and Glenn Greenwald

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Speaker 6: went and found that debate, which they act they did

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Speaker 6: host on CBS and it had like eight hundred and

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Speaker 6: fifty views over like twenty four or forty eight hours.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, Alan Dershowitz turns up in this story working directly.

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Speaker 6: In one week, he's working with Jeffrey Epstein to push

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Speaker 6: back against Stephen Walton Meerscheimer's paper called Israel Lobby, major

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Speaker 6: kind of watershed moment in two thousand and six, and

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Speaker 6: they're working to push back against allegations of sexual abuse

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Speaker 6: leveled by a fourteen year old at Epstein and they're

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Speaker 6: talking about how they've worked with a private investigator to

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Speaker 6: like uncover all sorts of they say, sort of details

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Speaker 5: So it was a.

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Speaker 4: Really busy day in Palm Beach in two.

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Speaker 5: Thousand, Yes, busy day for that crew.

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Speaker 6: So right, it's going to break that story down. To

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Speaker 6: break that down, it tuned. We're we're here at home

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Speaker 6: because you know, you know, it's the holidays. Let the

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Speaker 6: You know, hope every everybody's traveling safely if they have

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Speaker 6: to travel. I'll be here in DC. We're hosting What

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Speaker 3: In DC four Thanksgiving, then heading to Wisconsin the next day.

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Speaker 3: But you guys are hosting Wow, that'll be Yes, there'll

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Speaker 4: There you go. But yes, I just want to underline

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Speaker 4: what Ryan said.

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Speaker 3: We are so grateful, grateful, grateful, and especially because you

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Speaker 3: know we're going to be covering the jobs numbers in

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Speaker 3: the Ukraine peace Plan, a interesting rant from Tucker Carlson

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Speaker 3: on the Sean Ryan Show. So we're going to get

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Speaker 3: with those ADP numbers. You just saw him up on

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Speaker 3: the screen and Ryan, this is looking bleak. So the

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Speaker 3: headline private payroll, well, payroll losses accelerated in the past

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Speaker 3: four weeks. According to ADP, and they're saying private companies

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Speaker 3: according to ADP data over the past four weeks.

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Speaker 4: What's your reaction.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's that's up from an average of twenty

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Speaker 5: So we're relying on ADP and.

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Speaker 4: This, I mean, not the sound.

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Speaker 3: I actually think I might be trusting ADP's numbers with

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Speaker 3: ADP should have a pretty good pulse of what's happening

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Speaker 3: Reporting now consumer soured on the current economy and the

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Speaker 6: The the prices of inflation, according to this survey, still

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Speaker 6: Prices and inflation are still number one. Tariffs in trade

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Speaker 6: The court strikes it down, Well, we're going to peel

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Speaker 6: Supreme Court didn't seem to like tariffs. What's going to

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Speaker 6: I think people mean like this is just a weird time,

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Speaker 6: Our system is not inspiring confidence right now.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that much is clear. And I wanted to go

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Speaker 3: I mean, Raincass was pointing out that consumer the CPI,

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Speaker 3: actually the same increase during the six months prior. Uh,

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Speaker 3: there's that evidence, of course that twenty percent of tariff

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Speaker 4: Lower than some people expected.

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Speaker 3: So at the same time, that's a little that's the

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Speaker 3: anti Dumer tariff pitch right now. At the same time,

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Speaker 3: this lingering uncertainty, it feels Ryan like that hasn't quite

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Speaker 3: that you know, we talked about the AI bubble, the uncertainty.

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Speaker 3: it could be something that's more more gradual because you're

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Speaker 3: going to see company's amidst all of this. To the point,

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Speaker 3: rhinters just making about things feeling unsettled, uh, betting either

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Speaker 4: Or you're just gonna say, screw it, we are We're

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, yeah, And I think we're seeing that reflected

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Speaker 3: But if you worry or the US, I mean this

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Speaker 5: So what.

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Speaker 6: What the Russian foreign minister and Whitcoff were talking about.

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Speaker 5: You know what's screwed.

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Speaker 6: I'm just gonna give Zelenski whatever he wants and see

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Speaker 5: How's your how's your? How's your? Lavrov? No, No, it's

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Speaker 6: Is worth reading. I would I would go and I

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Speaker 6: Wikoff gets a lot more room to negotiate, right, and

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Speaker 6: tell tell, tell Putin to tell Trump that you want

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Speaker 6: Steve to be able to cook.

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Speaker 5: Let Steve cook. It's like, let's do it.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of a do you say that in Russian?

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Speaker 6: He says the thing about how Steve cooked in Goza

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Speaker 6: with that eighteen point plan or the twenty one point plan.

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Speaker 6: And you know, Steve, Steve Wikoff knows his men.

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Speaker 6: Everybody thinks they know Trump because Trump is just he

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Speaker 6: And what it did, it does seem to have worked.

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Speaker 6: It was just completely incoherent start to finish, like right,

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Speaker 5: To like an eighteen point plan. Ye now, but now

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Speaker 3: Well said, you're actually the perfect person given drop sites

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Speaker 4: It's like you are licking Trump's boots and Steve.

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Speaker 3: Witcoff does exactly what Trump does, and you lose your

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Speaker 4: Steve Wikoff and not Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Ms when Donald Trump does it, you'll say, oh, he's

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Speaker 3: Wykoff does it he is, you know, verging on traitorous

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Speaker 3: But I actually think if you don't include, for example,

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Speaker 3: to Russia because it had territory that hasn't yet actually been.

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Speaker 4: Occupied by Russia, this is I'm curious if they're parallels

439
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Speaker 4: in the gossip Lin, because that's how a negotiation goes.

440
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Speaker 3: You put forward a proposal where there are things that

441
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Speaker 3: you know you're going to take out as the negotiation

442
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 3: is going back and forth. And so to me, it's

443
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Speaker 3: not necessarily surprising or reflective of anyone trying to do

444
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 3: Putin's bidding so much as it is there are leaks

445
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 3: of a peace process that is absolutely messy, and people

446
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 3: are either taking this private information that's becoming public and

447
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 3: treating it like the final word when it's just a

448
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 3: little snippet from this broader process, or they have bad

449
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 3: intentions anywhere and trying to sabotage anything that Donald Trump

450
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 3: might do for peace because it would end up giving

451
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Speaker 3: up parts of the Dombas which they want Ukraine to

452
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Speaker 3: fight for.

453
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Speaker 4: Every last Ukrainian men man, you can keep.

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Speaker 6: And I understand why people are upset at Witkov because

455
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Speaker 6: if you think that giving Ukraine tomahawks and permission to

456
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Speaker 6: fire much deeper into Russia was going to give them

457
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Speaker 6: leverage that was going to then lead to a better

458
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Speaker 6: deal for Ukraine, then from that perspective, Wikkof has undermined

459
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Speaker 6: Ukraine in the negotiations and deprived them of that leverage.

460
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Speaker 6: But if you're somebody like Wikoff who doesn't, who thinks

461
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Speaker 6: that it's feudile, that no matter how many tomahawks you

462
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Speaker 6: give to Ukraine, no matter how many they strike in Russia,

463
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Speaker 6: the math is just not going to work out in

464
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 6: Ukraine's favor, right, then you're actually you're actually helping Ukraine

465
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Speaker 6: get out of this faster than they would otherwise. So

466
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Speaker 6: I so I get why people are like this is

467
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 6: this is Wikkough undermining Ukraine and helping Putin. But I

468
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 6: think from Witcoss perspective, he thinks Ukraine is diluted right now,

469
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 6: and they they may they might think that this is

470
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Speaker 6: better for them, but but in fact, you know they're

471
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 6: you know, they're they're now up to recruiting what fifty

472
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Speaker 6: well over fifty years old, like they're they're running out

473
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Speaker 6: of bodies to throw into the meat grinder. And so

474
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Speaker 6: all the missiles in the world, uh, are you know,

475
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 6: aren't going to give you the kind of leverage you're

476
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 6: going to need to get to get what you say

477
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Speaker 6: you want out of this.

478
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Speaker 5: So let's let's move this. Let's move this forward.

479
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Speaker 6: And I think if you're going to defend Wikoff, you'd say,

480
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 6: you know, he would do this kind of thing, you know,

481
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Speaker 6: with when it came to you know, Israel and Hamas

482
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 6: as well, you know, he would he would give advice

483
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 6: to the mediators. He never ended up meeting directly with

484
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 6: the mass and they were they were about to and

485
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 6: it blew up for various reasons. But his his deputy

486
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 6: did and they would say like here's how here's if

487
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 6: you want this, like, here is the way to frame

488
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 6: this right to get it there. And so Trump was

489
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 6: asked about this on Air Force One and he he said,

490
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Speaker 6: I haven't listened to the recording or I haven't seen

491
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Speaker 6: the transcript, but it sounds to me like normal diplomacy,

492
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 6: like this is this is what a mediator does. Negotiator

493
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 6: does you tell someone this is the thing you want.

494
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 6: Here's how you frame it to this party. It's a

495
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Speaker 6: little awkward for Trump that like somebody's you know, telling

496
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Speaker 6: somebody else how to talk to him, right, Like it's

497
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Speaker 6: a little weird and awkward to have that out in public.

498
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Speaker 5: But it's not It's not terribly unusual, I think.

499
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Speaker 4: No. I don't think so either.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's unusual if you can remember when Mage

501
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 3: and Obama had that moment where Obama said he'll have

502
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Speaker 3: more flexibility after the election. So this would have been

503
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 3: like twenty eleven or twenty twelve, people lost their mindsup

504
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 3: on the right lost their minds.

505
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 4: I was too young to really lose my mind.

506
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 3: I was still in college, so you can't go back

507
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: and find clips. But you know, to some extent, maybe

508
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 3: that's different because he was promising. I don't know, But

509
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 3: to some extent when these conversations, I mean, they have

510
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: to have personal relationships, and Trump is more I don't

511
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: mean this in a little sense like he's more of

512
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 3: a realist personally when it comes to those relationships as

513
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 3: opposed to and I actually find my kind of refreshing.

514
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 3: Like he does it with Shi Jinping, he does it

515
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: with Kim Jong un like he does it with everyone,

516
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: where he just lavishes them and prays and does it

517
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 3: in order to butter people up to make deals that

518
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: they might not otherwise make. Now whether that's that works

519
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 3: or successful, different question. But Donald Trump is the president

520
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: right now, so there's no nothing surprising whatsoever about Steve

521
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 3: Whitkough handling Hiss this way when he's on the phone.

522
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Speaker 4: With the Russians.

523
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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I think that's right.

524
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 6: So there had been a Thanksgiving deadline that Trump gave

525
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 6: to Zelenski that appears to have been lifted, like giving

526
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Speaker 6: them a little more time. As Zelenski has said, we

527
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 6: have to choose between losing our dignity or losing our ally.

528
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 5: But so that's kind of where we stand.

529
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Speaker 3: That's a maybe not the right bar for the dignity

530
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Speaker 3: of Ukraine, which has been proven by the way in

531
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Speaker 3: spades over the last couple of years, as ordinary Ukrainians

532
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 3: have sacrificed so much to keep their country.

533
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Speaker 4: So I don't think it's appropriate.

534
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 3: I would be insulted if I were a Ukrainian and

535
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: Zelensky was tracking up their dignity to keeping all of

536
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 3: the Dawn Boss or some significant portion of it. So anyway, well,

537
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 3: speaking of foreign policy, Bryan big new drop site report

538
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 3: based on a tranche of emails that you all have obtained,

539
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 3: and you have some insight into a week in the

540
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Speaker 3: life of Jeffrey Epstein and now Dershwitz circle two thousand

541
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Speaker 3: and six.

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Speaker 6: That's right, and maybe we should finish this block playing

543
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 6: the Barry Wise Alan Derschwitz clip because it's so they've

544
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 6: got the clip. Excellent, thank you Griffin. So in two

545
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 6: thousand and six there was a watershed moment in kind

546
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Speaker 6: of US Israel relations when Stephen Walt, who was at

547
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Speaker 6: the time the dean of the Harvard Kennedy School, and

548
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Speaker 6: John Mehersheimer, who was a one of the top international

549
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 6: relations professors at the University of Chicago, published a paper

550
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 6: called the Israel Lobby. It also ran in the London

551
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Speaker 6: Review of Books. And you would think, Okay, that's the

552
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 6: most boring thing I can think of, Like two academics

553
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 6: published a paper that also ran in the London Review

554
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 6: of Books. Okay, that's interesting, But why is the entire

555
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 6: world supposed to care about that?

556
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 5: The world lit up on fire?

557
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 6: It is shot through with all of these caveats and

558
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 6: apologetics that they're even you know, broaching this subject. But

559
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 6: they make a basic argument that a loose coalition of

560
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 6: supporters of Israel in the United States have built a

561
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 6: network and a lobbying infrastructure that has given Israel outsized

562
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 6: influence on American foreign policy and at times has driven

563
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 6: American foreign policy away from its own national interests and

564
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 6: towards the interests of Israel. That was viewed as an

565
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 6: absolutely shocking thing to say in polite society. And what

566
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Speaker 6: genuinely concerned the lobby was particularly that Walt was saying it,

567
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Speaker 6: because Walt, as Merersheimer's you know, you know, was at

568
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Speaker 6: the time very highly respected. He is today a highly

569
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Speaker 6: respected academic among people like us, but he took a

570
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 6: huge hit in his reputation inside academia over as a

571
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 6: result of the pushback against this. Walt was as the

572
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Speaker 6: dean of the academic school of Harvard Kennedy's Harvard's Kennedy School.

573
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Speaker 6: That's like the plumb position in that field, Like that's

574
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 6: that's the dean of all of it, not just Harvard,

575
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 6: but basically all of it. So to have somebody like

576
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 6: him saying this, the fear was that this was going

577
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 6: to open up, that this was going to create a

578
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 6: permission structure for people just to debate and talk openly

579
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 6: about the influence of the pro Israel lobby in the

580
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 6: United States, and so that had to be shut down,

581
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 6: and the pushback against it was like nothing anything academia

582
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 6: had really ever seen. Talks were canceled, you know, it's

583
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 6: like some pre cancel culture type of stuff going on.

584
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 5: What we're reporting over at drop side.

585
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 6: Oh one. So two other details. One who was president

586
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 6: of Harvard at the time, Epstein, Buddy Larry Summers, you

587
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 6: guessed it. Who was either the main funder or one

588
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 6: of the top funders of the Kennedy School, Les Wexner,

589
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 6: the Wexner Foundation, and who controlled the Wexner Foundation's money,

590
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 6: Jeffrey Epstein. So all those facts are known.

591
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 5: Now. What we know from Epstein.

592
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 3: Himself was was donating heavily to Harvard at the time

593
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Speaker 3: as well.

594
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 6: And Epstein himself was too, but he was more influential

595
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 6: for his control of Wexner's fortune. But yes, he but

596
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 6: he himself was giving millions. But now what we can

597
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 6: report from his inbox, which as I mentioned last week,

598
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 6: we have we have currently have explosive access to thanks

599
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 6: to distributed denial of secrets, which is making the you know,

600
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 6: they're making it available to other journalists as well. Is

601
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 6: that Epstein himself was involved with Dershowitz in kind of

602
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 6: circulating Dershowitz, you know, giving feedback to Dershowitz's counter argue

603
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 6: meant which the school public the school published, and helping

604
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 6: to circulate it. And so he was involved, He was

605
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 6: directly involved in the coordinated campaign, uh, to undermine this

606
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 6: this paper, which means that a paper making a claim

607
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 6: that a loose kind of collection of pro Israel supporters

608
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 6: are leveraging their money and their resources and their connections

609
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 6: was undermined by a loose coalition coalection of Israel supporters

610
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 6: operating behind the scenes using their connections, UH, and their

611
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 6: and their financial resources. And yeah, as you said, so

612
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 6: it's disconnected from this pushback. But that same week in

613
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 6: the in the Inbox, we found UH, Dershowitz and Epstein

614
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 6: going back and forth over Epstein's latest sex abuse allegation.

615
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 6: And this one was from somebody who said she was

616
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 6: fourteen when she was abused. And you have Epstein with

617
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 6: this kind of list of reasons why this girl's credibility

618
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 6: should be called into question things that she had said

619
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 6: on the internet.

620
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Speaker 3: Because he had hired a private detective, you're reporting, right,

621
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 3: to follow this girl around, or to at least to researcher.

622
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know if they were, if he was

623
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Speaker 6: following her, if it was just like online research.

624
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 5: This was like one week of research, Okay, right, it

625
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 5: may have gone beyond that. We don't know.

626
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 6: But what we know is that on earth the bunch

627
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 6: of dirt on this girl. And he's saying and so

628
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 6: they're going back and forth. Dortswood's telling Dershwooz, who was

629
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 6: his lawyer in this case, you know, to give this

630
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 6: to the state attorney, to tell him that he should

631
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 6: not be going forward with these charges because this girl

632
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 6: is not to be believed. So that was the twin

633
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 6: campaigns that they were running at the time.

634
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Speaker 3: What a I mean, just these these inboxes because there

635
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 3: are multiple are such wild glimpses into what was happening

636
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 3: behind the scenes and how elites are operating, not just

637
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 3: stepscene and Dershwitz in summers, but more broadly.

638
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 4: And that last bit Ryan.

639
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 3: Is particularly irritating because you remember when it was rising,

640
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 3: there was any sort of rising where Alan Dershowitz was booked,

641
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: and it was you, Robbie and me, And at one

642
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 3: point Dershwoitz flew off the handle and said that we

643
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 3: wouldn't have wanted John Adams to defend the Boston massacre

644
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 3: the British in the Boston massacre case, which is I

645
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 3: think when you're looking at these emails that you have

646
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: about a private investigator being hired by Jeffrey Epstein to

647
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 3: dig up dirt on a fourteen year old girl, the

648
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: obvious difference you don't even know need to know that

649
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: that was happening behind the scenes to make the case

650
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: that the obvious difference is John Adams believed with every

651
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 3: fiber of his being that he was doing the right thing.

652
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 3: That he was defending. He wasn't just a defense attorney.

653
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 3: He was defending the right cause that his side was

654
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Speaker 3: correct in this case. Did Dershowitz think that Jeffrey Epstein

655
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Speaker 3: was just clean as a whistle, had never done anything wrong?

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Speaker 4: Morally pure? Of course? Not? Of course, not right. I mean,

657
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Speaker 4: that's laughable.

658
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Speaker 6: And their relationship over working together on the Israel lobby

659
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Speaker 6: actually is directly relevant to this claim because let's say, okay,

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Speaker 6: use the John Adams argument where you say, you know,

661
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Speaker 6: even even our worst enemies in our in our fair system,

662
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Speaker 6: deserve deserve representation. So that's the argument. But what if

663
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Speaker 6: you also found out that John Adams was secretly working

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Speaker 6: behind the scenes with the British on other unrelated matters

665
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Speaker 6: in order to un mine other people, showing that they

666
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Speaker 6: actually are a team that they are not that it

667
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Speaker 6: is not that Adams is just defending the principle that

668
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Speaker 6: everybody deserves a good lawyer. It's not that Dershwitz is

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Speaker 6: representing Epstein, even though he understands he's an awful person,

670
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Speaker 6: but he thinks that everybody deserves an attorney. Like, that's

671
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Speaker 6: clearly not what That's clearly not what is happening with

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Speaker 6: Dershowitz because he doesn't he's working with him secretly to

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Speaker 6: undermine Meerscheimer and Walt's book that has nothing to do.

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Speaker 6: You're not you're not You're not required to do that,

675
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Speaker 6: Like you clearly believe that he's your ally in this,

676
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Speaker 6: in this effort, in this ideological effort. So I think

677
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Speaker 6: we can dispense with this idea that Dershowitz was a

678
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 6: reluctant defender of of Epstein, and he did it on

679
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Speaker 6: the principle that everybody deserves an attorney. You know.

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Speaker 4: It's also amazing because he was.

681
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Speaker 5: Secretly working with him on this Israel lobby book.

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Speaker 3: It is amazing to go back and think of the

683
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Speaker 3: early days of Joshuwitz's self defense of his relationship with Epstein,

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Speaker 3: and then compare what he said then to what we're

685
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Speaker 3: seeing behind the scenes in these emails that I'm sure

686
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Speaker 3: he never thought would see the light of day, which is,

687
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Speaker 3: you know, whatever they're talking about, Meersheimer or the case.

688
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Speaker 3: They were not just business colleagues, and they were not

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Speaker 3: just casual business acquaintances. They had a close relationship. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: they had a close relationship. Close conspirators they were, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: They were allies.

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Speaker 3: They were you know, I don't mean conspirators in the

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Speaker 3: legal sense, it just being that they were behind the

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Speaker 3: scenes operating closely together. Yeah. I mean, obviously in this

695
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Speaker 3: case there's a little conspiring that's that's taking place. But

696
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Speaker 3: it's just I think worth thinking back to how he said, yeah, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, I defended him as his lawyer met with

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Speaker 3: him a couple of times.

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Speaker 4: I'm paraphrasing. Obviously, what the defense was back then, but

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Speaker 4: laughable at this point.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and Dershowitz is the man that Barry Weiss wants

702
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Speaker 6: to hold up as a paragon of of serious center

703
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Speaker 6: left a charisma, the kind of person that's gonna, you know,

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Speaker 6: bring young people, you know back. So Griffin, if you

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Speaker 6: have this, let's play it and play the whole thing, because.

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Speaker 4: You got you got some do you have some guff?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: People tried to community note this and say that she

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Speaker 6: didn't actually talk about an a Loch and Dershwitz, but

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Speaker 6: it's like, no, you have to watch for like threes

711
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Speaker 6: whole minutes and then and then she gets into that, folks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so keep your attenent span. You can roll it

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Speaker 5: two x.

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Speaker 6: But here is an impersonation of an old person's version

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Speaker 6: of a young person.

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Speaker 5: Let's all this, all of us.

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Speaker 7: See the moment that we're in, and all of us

718
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Speaker 7: see that the choices that it feels like we have sometimes,

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Speaker 7: which is Hassan Piker and Tucker Carlson or Nick Flentes

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Speaker 7: and you know Andrew Tate, the kind of people.

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Speaker 6: By the way, the CBS is trying to get him

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Speaker 6: to do a debatekrect go ahead.

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Speaker 7: Those don't actually represent our values, and I don't think

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Speaker 7: that they represent the values and the worldview of the vast.

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Speaker 4: Majority of Americans.

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Speaker 7: And so this is an opportunity to speak for the

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Speaker 7: seventy five percent, for the people that are on the

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Speaker 7: center left and the center right, that still believe in

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Speaker 7: equality of opportunity, that still believe passionately in the American project,

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Speaker 7: that still believe in all of the things that everyone

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Speaker 7: in this room believes in, which is liberty and freedom

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Speaker 7: and individual responsibility, and in the most basic level, the

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Speaker 7: right to know what is actually going on in the world,

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Speaker 7: not the world as propagandists and ideologues imagine it to be,

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Speaker 7: but what's actually going on in the world and in

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Speaker 7: your community, so you can make decisions about where to

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Speaker 7: send your kids to school, about where to live, and

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Speaker 7: about how to vote. That used to just be normal,

739
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Speaker 7: and the goal of what we're trying to do at

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Speaker 7: CBS is to get back to that normalcy. And I

741
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Speaker 7: feel incredibly energized and enthusiastic because I think that is

742
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Speaker 7: where the vast majority of Americans actually are.

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Speaker 4: Both and Ryan. This is recent right. So that articulation

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Speaker 4: of that set of goals to speak into the lives

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Speaker 4: of the seventy five percent. How are you going to

746
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Speaker 4: do that? What's your strategy for success?

747
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Speaker 7: So I think one of the problems is a lot

748
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Speaker 7: of people have tried to do centrist news. I know

749
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Speaker 7: this because I am like the target audience for those things,

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Speaker 7: and the reason that they have all failed is it's

751
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Speaker 7: like trying to force feed spinach down someone's throat. Right.

752
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Speaker 4: It's felt very like tofu oatmeal.

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Speaker 7: It's like centrist news is choosing the midpoint between every

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Speaker 7: single topic. It's felt like an absence of charisma and identity.

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Speaker 4: And I, you.

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Speaker 7: Know, as nostalgic as people might be for an era

757
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Speaker 7: in which thirty million Americans every night watched Walter Cronkite

758
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Speaker 7: and saw them as the voice of truth.

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Speaker 4: And I understand why they're nostalgic for that. We're never

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Speaker 4: We're not going back to that.

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Speaker 7: So how do you build trust in a moment of

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Speaker 7: unbelievably low trust in all of our public institutions, especially

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Speaker 7: the mainstream press. I don't think it's by pretending like

764
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Speaker 7: we can go back to having a view from nowhere.

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Speaker 4: I think it's about who's in the room, right.

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Speaker 7: I think it's about redrawing the lines of what falls

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Speaker 7: in the forty yard lines of acceptable debate and acceptable

768
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Speaker 7: American politics and culture. I don't mean that in like

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Speaker 7: a censorious gatekeeping way. I mean having people that are

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Speaker 7: that are clearly identifiably on the center left and on

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Speaker 7: the center right in conversation with each other. And we've

772
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Speaker 7: been doing so much of this at the Free Press.

773
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Speaker 7: I was in Where was I Chicago last week? I

774
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Speaker 7: think I've lost all track of time Where Dana Lash,

775
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 7: former spokeswoman from the NRA, was debating Alan Jerschwitz on guns. Now,

776
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 7: these are people that have wildly different opinions on the

777
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Speaker 7: Second Amendment and yet showing that they can have good face,

778
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 7: very passionate, very charismatic disagreement and still like each other

779
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Speaker 7: at the end of the day. We think it's important,

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Speaker 7: and so it's for me, it's always about the curation,

781
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Speaker 7: Like who's in the room. How are you showing centrist

782
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 7: news not as the absence of disagreement and the absence

783
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Speaker 7: of charisma, but explicitly charismatic and disagreeable, and yet doing

784
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Speaker 7: it in good faith And the other the other way

785
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Speaker 7: you do it you do it is you know, by

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Speaker 7: by being really honest with your audience.

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Speaker 6: I think we get it. Yeah, incredible. Also so Glenn,

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Speaker 6: I said, Glenn went and found it. When he found

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Speaker 6: it had eight hundred and fifty views. Let's this is here,

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Speaker 6: it is ago, twenty four hours ago. Let's see how

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Speaker 6: it's doing. Four point three So we so I think

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Speaker 6: various various video has been viewed like eight or ten

793
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Speaker 6: million times at this point talking about Dershowitz as a

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Speaker 6: charismatic dropsite clip. Yeah, we put uh and we put

795
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Speaker 6: this link here underneath, and it still was only able

796
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Speaker 6: to drive four point three thousand views to this Free

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Speaker 6: Press and Fire present Alan Dershowitz.

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Speaker 3: First, Dana Losh, I will defend these conversations that Fire

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Speaker 3: is doing with the free press because they've been not

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Speaker 3: just with those quote unquote centrists. And I don't think,

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Speaker 3: by the way, Dana Lash is a centrist at all.

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Speaker 3: I think it's crazy.

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Speaker 5: To center right right.

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Speaker 3: I like Dana Lash, But what's the commonality I saw

805
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Speaker 3: people reacting this. Dershowitz and Lash are both ardent defenders

806
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Speaker 3: of American support for Israel and of Israel itself, And

807
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Speaker 3: so I think that's genuinely quite interesting. Yeah, right, I

808
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Speaker 3: actually think that's interesting. So like Dana again, like I

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Speaker 3: actually do like Dana. She's not I would not describe

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Speaker 3: her center right. She's like a rock ribbed conservative, whereas

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Speaker 3: Dershowitz you can definitely describe as center and I don't know,

812
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Speaker 3: you can definitely trim as charismatic.

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Speaker 6: And he's a Trump supporter and when he when he

814
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Speaker 6: talks about Gaza, he talks in the most extremist, genocidal terms.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, like yet.

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Speaker 6: Yet somehow that it's allowed to count as center center.

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Speaker 6: But that's left even because clearly she didn't mean that

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Speaker 6: Dana is the center left one, so he must be

819
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Speaker 6: saying that Alan Dershwitz, it's Trump supporting, genocidal maniac is

820
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Speaker 6: actually on the center left.

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Speaker 3: Which is like because he was arguing for for gun

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Speaker 3: control and he has social left, social liberal perspectives. And

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Speaker 3: that's where this discussion about what constitute center left versus

824
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 3: center right, it's really about temperament. And I feel like

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Speaker 3: that's what's actually being described as.

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Speaker 6: Like want people guns, he's like center left on guns.

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Speaker 3: Barry doesn't want people who are I would say temperamentally

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Speaker 3: anti establishments, probably pro choice too well, people who are

829
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Speaker 3: impugning the mode of the political establishment or who started

830
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Speaker 3: using the phrase of the Epstein class.

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Speaker 4: I like that people who are, yeah, ro impugning the

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Speaker 4: motives of the Epstein class.

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Speaker 5: He's got people.

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Speaker 3: You can think whatever you want about guns, but if

835
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Speaker 3: you're impuning the motives of the Epstein class, that's what

836
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Speaker 3: gets you sort of look in the red zone. To

837
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Speaker 3: continue those mixed metaphor for a lesbian, she should have

838
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: better sports metaphors right at.

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Speaker 5: The ready inside the forty yard line anyway.

840
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Speaker 6: But yeah, so, as as I mentioned while she was talking,

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Speaker 6: Hassan Piker said that CBS News has been reaching out

842
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 6: to him to try to set up a debate, which

843
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 6: is comical since like she's explicitly saying that he's the

844
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Speaker 6: kind of person that should not be allowed in conversation.

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Speaker 4: He was, he was fun on triggeronometry. I watched the

846
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Speaker 4: whole thing last night.

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Speaker 6: Really, Oh yeah, excellent, Well, looking looking forward to that one.

848
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Speaker 3: Speaking of people outside the forty yard lines, let's go

849
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: ahead and take a look at this clip of Tucker

850
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 3: Carlson on the Sean Ryan Show that just.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if you saw this right, No, And

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Speaker 6: what I hadn't what and what what. One of the

853
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 6: things I love about this show is getting educated about this,

854
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 6: the insanity that's going on and just the wild circus

855
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 6: that's going on on the right now, because I need

856
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 6: somebody to.

857
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 5: Safari me through this jungle.

858
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Speaker 4: Gladly, I'll be the sharpa here.

859
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 3: This is Tucker Carlson making a comment that you might

860
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: not think would be controversial, but the Libertarians were quite

861
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Speaker 3: upset with it.

862
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 4: We can roll and in.

863
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Speaker 8: The Republican Party, which is almost to the point where

864
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Speaker 8: it's's useless, and I'm gonna have to oppose it because

865
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Speaker 8: they're just I hate them too much, but because they're

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Speaker 8: such betrayers anyway.

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Speaker 5: They're in the Republican Party.

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Speaker 9: It's like, you're a socialist, are you from Momdani? No,

869
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Speaker 9: not really a socialist, just I don't want anyone to

870
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 9: I don't want high density housing in my neighborhood. I

871
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 9: don't want any more fucking strip malls, nobody goes to.

872
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 9: No more karate studios and vape shops. Like how about now, ooh, socialists,

873
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 9: you don't believe in the free market because you bribed

874
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 9: county commission to buildboard garbage. You don't even live here

875
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 9: and then almost sudden, we'd like burn your strip mall down.

876
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 9: You can't do that here. You can't turn my women

877
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 9: into prostitutes sorry, only fans. And you can't destroy the

878
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 9: landscape that I live in. No, how about No, that's

879
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 9: not crazy, is it.

880
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 4: We could probably stop it there. No, and you can't take.

881
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 9: All my tax dollars and then stop refuse to do

882
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 9: anything about.

883
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 5: Child moll station.

884
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 4: Yeah. The only reason you exist.

885
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 9: County commissioners, is to protect my daughters from getting molested.

886
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 4: That fair point.

887
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 3: But people lost their minds, particularly over the dollar store comment.

888
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 3: Ryan and the Old Riot was out in Spade saying,

889
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 3: rich guy hates dollar stores. And it's amazing because there's

890
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 3: a wide variety of research that's been done over time

891
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 3: showing dollar stores increase the likelihood of the small local

892
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 3: grocery store, the small local guy being run out of

893
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 3: business as soon as that dollar store.

894
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 4: Comes into town.

895
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 3: And so it's not as though dollar stores are uncontroversial

896
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 3: in We're all places, or actually in inner city places

897
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: at all.

898
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 4: But of course, god forbid you say something like that.

899
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 3: I mean, also, the sentiment about the Republican Party is

900
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 3: just like typical Tea Party era stuff. But the dollar

901
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 3: stores don't attack the dollar stores because God forbid we

902
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 3: go after the dollar stores.

903
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, and this is an interesting one to try to

904
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 6: parse because the people who shop at dollar stores do

905
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 6: not like dollar stores like they work at them or

906
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 6: work at them. They hate them most. They shopped there

907
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 6: because it's the only choice, and the system that we've

908
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 6: built has has left them with nothing but this dollar store.

909
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 6: If they had any other options, that's certainly any other

910
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 6: option to work, but any other option to shop, they

911
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 6: would they would take that option. It reminds me of

912
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 6: did you see this campbell soup executive?

913
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 4: I saw you tweeting about it. I was like, why

914
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 4: the hell is Ryan tweeting about Campbell's.

915
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 6: This Campbell's soup e zec is getting dragged for saying that,

916
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 6: like they're like they're raviol They're like beefravioli is disgusting

917
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 6: or whatever, and nobody knows what's editors, you know, whatever

918
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 6: the whatever she said or he said, and it's like, yeah,

919
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 6: like everybody who's eating it is saying the same thing,

920
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 6: Like there's there's nobody that thinks this is anything other

921
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 6: than like mystery made and or they're making fun of

922
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 6: themselves while they're eating it. Now, they don't want you

923
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 6: making fun of them. They would prefer to be eating

924
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 6: it and eating something out in general. Some you know,

925
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 6: some of the some of their stuff is great.

926
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 4: I agree. We have the video from Healthy Now that

927
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 4: I don't even so I look at it bio engineered me.

928
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 4: I don't know a piece of chicken that came from

929
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 4: a three D printer. You the recording.

930
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's how anybody's going to feel about

931
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 6: those products that those super processed, Like where, what what

932
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 6: even is this kind of product?

933
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 4: Now you were mistaken.

934
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 6: People are mistaking what people do out of necessity, for

935
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 6: for like their culture and how they want to defend

936
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 6: their culture, Like there's nobody who's like, my culture is

937
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 6: the dollar store and and how dare you say something

938
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 6: about it?

939
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 5: Now?

940
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 6: It's about how dare a rich person? Like it's it's

941
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 6: one of those things like you like, it's like talking.

942
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 6: It's like your family, Like you can criticize them, but

943
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 6: you don't really want somebody else to say that's exactly right.

944
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, I mean, first of all, I

945
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: think Tucker was speaking pretty casually there, but also just

946
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 3: this idea that you have a massive global chain that

947
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 3: sells all kinds of junk. And to Ryan's point, what

948
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 3: they'll do is run the local guide of business. And

949
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 3: then do you think maybe when it's safe, they raise

950
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,959
Speaker 3: prices again? Do you think maybe that's what happens. Of course,

951
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 3: that's what happens.

952
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 4: Do you think maybe they get.

953
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 3: Do you think maybe they get really shitty about working conditions?

954
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course. Yeah.

955
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 6: Once they've driven the other stores out, then they close

956
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 6: some of their own stores and make your drive further.

957
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

958
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: And this is why your odds of having a better

959
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 3: customer experience and worker experience with a local chain where

960
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 3: the person has a stake in the community because they're

961
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 3: you go to the PTA meetings, you're going to church,

962
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 3: they're playing baseball.

963
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 4: Whatever with you. Well, it's not always perfect.

964
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 6: Go ahead, right, I'll add something unpopular. A lot of

965
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 6: these small business owners in these small towns where you've

966
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 6: known them your entire life scrooge total total jerks.

967
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, of course, so their human beings.

968
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of them are terrible basses and terrible jerks.

969
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're going to have a terrible boss no

970
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 3: matter what. I guess I'd just rather be somewhat the devil,

971
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 3: you know, versus the devil who's somewhere in midtown Manhattan

972
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 3: and you have to get through five layers of calls

973
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 3: just to talk to somebody with the damn stuff.

974
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 5: He's our sob at least.

975
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and uh, Anyway, it does increase the likelihood

976
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 3: that you'll have I mean, I think it genuinely does

977
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 3: increase the likelihood that you'll have somebody who has an

978
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 3: incentive to have a good reputation in the community. Therefore,

979
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 3: their incentive is not necessarily the GDP.

980
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 4: Their incentive is to.

981
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 3: Do a good job in the community because they have

982
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 3: social ties that go along with more social ties that

983
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 3: go along with their economic ties to the community.

984
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 4: So anyway, he's saying Mom.

985
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 5: And popp are off pretty cranky. That's all. I'm saying.

986
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 3: They've been Ebenezer Scrooge a mom and pop shop. That's true, right,

987
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, this this clip just the defenders of the

988
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 3: Dollar Store. It was remarkable to see all these like

989
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 3: conservative writers come out of the woodwork, being like, rich

990
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 3: guy hates the Dollar Store, and we're supposed to believe

991
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 3: he's a class warrior.

992
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 4: Ha, got it?

993
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 5: I thought so. I watched this and like, all right,

994
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 5: let's see what's the controversy here.

995
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 6: I thought it was going to be that the Republican

996
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 6: Party is awful and I need to oppose it. Like

997
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 6: I thought that was going to be the thing that

998
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 6: people were animated about.

999
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 4: But no, that's what they're mad about that too.

1000
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:41,439
Speaker 5: They're mad about that as well.

1001
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 4: But again, like I don't know, I mean, I think

1002
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 4: it depends on what.

1003
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 3: Like, Republican voters have a pretty high level of support

1004
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 3: right now for the Republican Party, though it waxes and wanes,

1005
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 3: and like Dems have a very low favorability the Democratic

1006
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 3: Party right now, historically low favorability the Democratic Party right now.

1007
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 3: But if you talk like that at most like county

1008
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 3: party headquarters, people are gonna be like yep, because they

1009
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 3: assume you're talking about the elite, the Republican elite. They

1010
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 3: assume you're talking about like Lindsay Graham or something. So

1011
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 3: also didn't strike me is that crazy either?

1012
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 6: So we need Actually, we have a main reporter who's

1013
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 6: been covering the Grand Platinum race for Nathan Bernard. Maybe

1014
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 6: I'm gonna have to ask him to go find out

1015
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 6: what Strip Mall was built on a road that's between

1016
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 6: Tucker's cabin and the river where he goes fishing every day. Well, clearly,

1017
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 6: clearly some county commissioner got bribed by some developer to

1018
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 6: build a vape shop. We know, we know everything that's

1019
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 6: in the Strip Mall. There's a vape shop, there's a

1020
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 6: dollar store. What was the third thing he was complaining about,

1021
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 6: a karate studio.

1022
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 4: That one's funny.

1023
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 5: There's a karate studio.

1024
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 6: So okay, Nathan, if you're watching this, because you know,

1025
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 6: I'm trying not to work as much on the holidays.

1026
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 6: So this is how a son's story. See if you

1027
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 6: can find the Strip mall with the karate studio, the

1028
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 6: vape shop, and the dollar store that has any soccer

1029
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 6: Carlson ready to declare war on the Republican Party because.

1030
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 4: Because we want to know what happened with the county

1031
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 4: commissions and.

1032
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 5: The owner does not live there. We know that, so

1033
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 5: you know things we know.

1034
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think your experience of Vermont, I mean I've

1035
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 3: always thought it was sort of like Vermont's billboard, you know,

1036
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 3: when you're coming up in the conservative movement that sort

1037
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 3: of looked at like as as hippie nonsense. But I

1038
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 3: feel like the difference between the old right and the

1039
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 3: new Right is looking at Vermont protecting the esthetics of

1040
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 3: the like highway and saying, actually, I don't think that's

1041
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 3: an infringement on the rights of the of the free market,

1042
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 3: the free marketeers who want to sell their vapes or

1043
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 3: whatever on the highway.

1044
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 4: This is one of the most beautiful places in the world.

1045
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 6: And it's it's really fun that Vermont and New Hampshire

1046
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 6: share a share this massive border because you just go

1047
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 6: from Vermon into New Hampshire and like the hippie uh

1048
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 6: you know, communal focused approach gives way immediately to the

1049
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 6: libertarian approach.

1050
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 4: Like balls as far as I can see.

1051
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 6: Yet where we lived, like you had to go over

1052
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 6: there if you wanted to go to the Walmart or

1053
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 6: any of the big box stores just right across the border.

1054
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 6: You know, liquor liquor laws different. But yes, the it

1055
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 6: just looks wildly different, the billboards and the strip malls,

1056
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 6: and and the character as a result is different.

1057
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1058
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 3: Well, uh, that I guess is a good place to

1059
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 3: leave it for the pre Thanksgiving show, Ryan, because on a.

1060
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 6: One let's give one update on our well Afton Bane. Well, yeah,

1061
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 6: o again, we could, we could, we can.

1062
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 4: Roll, we could get rock in here, will we? This

1063
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 4: is premature, that's right.

1064
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 5: I have a nine to thirty podcast. I have a

1065
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 5: couple more minutes. So aft in Bane.

1066
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 6: There's a new poll out that has her down by

1067
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 6: two points. Oh, this is the special election for what's

1068
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 6: his name, Mark Green Mark Green seat in Nashville stretches

1069
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 6: from Nashville and a bunch of royal areas outside of it.

1070
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 6: Latest poll has her down. As her down I think down?

1071
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 6: Was it down to her up to I'm pretty sure

1072
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 6: it was down to But this is a plus twenty

1073
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 6: two district, and she has been getting just blasted with

1074
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 6: her podcast.

1075
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 3: And sometimes rightfully so, because wow.

1076
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 6: Well it's it's it's a it's an inverse or it's

1077
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 6: a parallel, even not even inverse to Platner in some ways.

1078
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 6: Platner inadvisably spent fifteen years vomiting all of his darkest

1079
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 6: thoughts onto Reddit. Afton Bain spent has spent years vomiting

1080
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 6: all of her thoughts, dark and otherwise into a podcast.

1081
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1082
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 4: Not anonymous, not.

1083
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 5: Anonymous at all. Not PA Hustle, not p Hustle.

1084
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 6: So then there was the one, and I think though

1085
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 6: that they're over emphasizing the I hate Nashville one because

1086
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Speaker 6: that's almost too absurd, and I think people will quickly

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Speaker 6: understand that the parallel would be like if a New

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00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 6: Yorker said I hate Times Square exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right.

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Speaker 6: So, yeah, of course everybody hates Time Square except the tourists.

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Speaker 6: So she's talking about the tourist area, whereas some of

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Speaker 6: the other ones are almost worse. They're talking about, you know,

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Speaker 6: people who don't have kids, and like, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 6: she can have more power with that. Like it's like

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Speaker 6: like whoao.

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Speaker 3: But and it was twenty twenty, so it was like

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Speaker 3: as this this wave of elephant in the zoom politics,

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00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 3: as Ryan once wrote, was cresting, and everyone, I mean

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Speaker 3: nobody really thought it was going to go away. Everyone

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Speaker 3: kind of thought it was going to be there for

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Speaker 3: a while, and you had to be on the right

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Speaker 3: side of it.

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Speaker 4: You had to talk the right way about it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so we'll say that's that the like she is

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Speaker 6: coming up. I think that today may be the last

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Speaker 6: day of early voting or something, and then we'll see,

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Speaker 6: you think she has any shot at all, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, I think she's a shot of making.

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Speaker 3: But it's it's certainly in a what did you say

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01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 3: plus twenty something district, it's certainly a statement if you

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Speaker 3: get close, and that can energize the local grassroots folks.

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Speaker 3: So after being breaking points of viewer, that is a

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Speaker 3: race that we are watching closely. We had a few

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Speaker 3: minutes with her last Friday that ended up, of course,

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Speaker 3: on Fox News why Else or where Else? Producer Griffin

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01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 3: asking Afterbaane about her her podcast has gone very very

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Speaker 3: asking her about her podcast remarks on Nashville that Ryan

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Speaker 3: just referenced has gone very very viral.

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Speaker 4: Agree, they're probably over.

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Speaker 5: Apparently Fox is playing our Friday show interview.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the one from last week? Yep, you grays at

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Speaker 3: Hi mom?

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Speaker 5: What what? Which one did they play?

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Speaker 4: They played?

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Speaker 3: So they played the one Griffin keeps popping into or

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Speaker 3: I thought you guys could hear him, but you can't.

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Speaker 4: He's offering very helpful tidbits throughout the show.

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Speaker 3: But they played the moment where Griffin asked Afton Vane

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Speaker 3: about her Nashville comments on the podcast and she said

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Speaker 3: that she was conceived George George Strait's song honestly, to

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Speaker 3: Ryan's point, maybe not as much of a disasters as

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01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 3: people might think.

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Speaker 5: And what's wrong with that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go. She said, I don't hate country music.

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01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 4: I was conceived to a George Straight song.

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Speaker 3: But if you're a real if you're a real country

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Speaker 3: fan like me, you don't love George Straight.

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01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 4: So that's that's a little.

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01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,479
Speaker 5: Bou So maybe that's the problem with that.

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01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 4: That's the problem. George Straight is too.

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Speaker 6: Soft, but it's also stolen country valor, like your parents

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01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 6: liked George Straight. Sure, I'll give And people are looking

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Speaker 6: it up. It sounds like they played in February of

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Speaker 6: eighty nine in Florida.

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01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 4: People here looking this up.

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01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 6: Yes, you got a fact check claim like this. So

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Speaker 6: so her parents. If they were in Florida in February,

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Speaker 6: then that might be where they saw George Straight play.

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Speaker 4: Or they were just listening to George Straight on the

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Speaker 4: radio and.

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Speaker 6: They just either they had a false memory or they

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01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 6: lied to her. Do you also, why are you telling

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Speaker 6: your daughter.

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Speaker 3: Tell your kids that, Oh my gosh, all right, should

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Speaker 3: we take.

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Speaker 4: A trip down to Honduras? Ryan?

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and yeah, Griffin win, I guess we could

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Speaker 6: play some of this clip later or you can added

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Speaker 6: a post if you want. But so this Sunday, Honduras

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Speaker 6: will have an election and Jays Jose Luis Granados Seha,

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Speaker 6: who was on the dropsite livestream yesterday. It's a reporter

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Speaker 6: in Mexico City. We had him on to talk about

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Speaker 6: the Mexico protests, which is actually really helpful. He's going

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Speaker 6: to Honduras to cover that election. They'll be doing a

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Speaker 6: dispatch for us. You're seeing two things. One is that

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Speaker 6: the current president, Shia Morra Castro, is almost as popular

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01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 6: there as Shinbaum is in Mexico's left wing sixty five

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Speaker 6: ish percent approval rating. But in their constitution you can't

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Speaker 6: serve a second term. So her husband was ousted in

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Speaker 6: a coup in two thousand and nine, supported by Hillar,

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Speaker 6: Clinton and the US at the time. So she comes back,

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Speaker 6: she wins, and so now it's one of her cabinet

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Speaker 6: members basically is running instead, and the US is very

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Speaker 6: heavily getting behind her main opponent and is sowing all

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Speaker 6: sorts of doubt about the elections, saying like can't trust

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Speaker 6: these numbers, which is always a signal that you're planning something.

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Speaker 6: So that when because this is supposed to be a

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Speaker 6: very close election. So if the numbers come in and

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Speaker 6: the left has won slightly, you can probably look for

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01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 6: US proxies to call for people to go out in

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Speaker 6: the streets and demand, uh, you know, and and cry

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Speaker 6: foul stop the steal. So there's just there's a US

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Speaker 6: back to stop the steal thing going on.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 6: And this is obviously driven by the fact that we

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Speaker 6: have a South Florida you know leader Marco Rubio as

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Speaker 6: our as our secretary of State, and he's got a

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Speaker 6: bone to pick with the left all over you know,

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Speaker 6: Central and South America and the Caribbean. But also that

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Speaker 6: Castro they probably don't like. Their name is Castro. Uh Castro.

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Speaker 6: When she first came into office, not helpful, not helpful,

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Speaker 6: she immediately went after all the crypto bros who had

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Speaker 6: used the previous government, which was this run by this

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Speaker 6: right wing narco terrorist. And when I say narco terrorist,

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Speaker 6: he's literally in federal prison now after being the US's

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Speaker 6: you know guy.

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Speaker 5: And we knew he was a narco terrorist when.

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Speaker 4: We were fighting the narco terrorist.

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Speaker 5: Trian we were well.

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Speaker 6: Another remind that of Kissinger's quote that it's like it's

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Speaker 6: dangerous to be a US adversary, but it's fatal to

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Speaker 6: be a friend. As soon as he was no longer useful,

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Speaker 6: we literally have thrown him in federal prison. And so

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Speaker 6: while he was in power, which came through after this

1206
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Speaker 6: consolidation of the US backed coup, he created all these

1207
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Speaker 6: carve outs for crypto bros. To build these basically law

1208
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 6: free zones where they would have their own sovereignty. Castro

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Speaker 6: came in and said, no, we're done with these, we're

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Speaker 6: revoking those. There's a big fight going on over that.

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Speaker 6: Plus she immediately or very quickly recognized China and broke

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Speaker 6: relations with Taiwan, which really pissed off the United States.

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Speaker 6: And then so China offered, you know some Belton Road

1214
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Speaker 6: style you know, investments in Honduras.

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Speaker 4: Well, so that I think that's a that's really important, Griffin.

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Speaker 3: You can see this clip up of South Florida Congresswoman

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Speaker 3: Marie al Vira Salazar, who's former Helemund knows.

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Speaker 5: This one's really good and end it's amazing.

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01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 3: She's a same like mold of a Cold warrior keevan

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Speaker 3: Republican congresswoman. Lots of fun, for sure, but here's what

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Speaker 3: she said about Venezuela.

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Speaker 10: So we know we have information that maybe the top

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Speaker 10: echelon of the military forces in Venezuela maybe with MAJORA,

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Speaker 10: and they're going to flee with him, but the middle

1225
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 10: and lower ranks are with the opposition. We're talking about

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Speaker 10: that this is going to be very similar to Panama

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Speaker 10: that I was there. I was a news reporter and

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Speaker 10: I remember when the Marines were walking in the Panamanian's

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Speaker 10: girls were asking them to marry them. Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 10: think it's very similar.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I remember, well I was.

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Speaker 11: I was there and just after it it kind of

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01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 11: bled into nineteen ninety. It started in late December of

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01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 11: nineteen eighty nine, bled into nineteen ninety and that's I

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01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 11: went in in January and it was it was remarkable,

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Speaker 11: how receptive the Panama word of the change, and it's

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Speaker 11: been a relatively peaceful country since. But I'm just the transition.

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Speaker 11: I mean, Maria is a wonderful woman, the opposition leader,

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Speaker 11: She's fantastic. But how will that transition take place? Will

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Speaker 11: will there be a snap election after he flees or what?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 10: She has a and I've spoken to health to her extensively.

1243
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 10: They have a one hundred day plan. They have shared

1244
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 10: with a White House. They are prepared. She knows what

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01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 10: she's doing. I mean, they have been at this for

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Speaker 10: twenty five years. Like I said, eighty ninety percent of

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Speaker 10: the Venezuelan people, plus the eight million Venezuelans who have fled,

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Speaker 10: they want to come back. This is going to be

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Speaker 10: a very major success and a suc sex story, not

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Speaker 10: only for them but for US. And I salute President

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Speaker 10: Trump for having the fortitude, the courage, the political vision

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Speaker 10: to be doing this because Maduro is the head of

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01:07:55,560 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 10: a transnational criminal organization. Maduro is not the legitimate president

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01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 10: of the country. So we're not invading a sovereign country

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Speaker 10: that has a free and fair, elected democratic president. No,

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01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 10: this guy is a thug and he's good friends with Zbolan.

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Speaker 10: They are giving uranium to Hamas and to Iran, and

1258
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 10: to North Korea, and to Cuba and to Nicaragua. Come on,

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Speaker 10: it's time for the United States to do what we

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01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 10: need to do. And thank God that Trump is doing it.

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Speaker 10: And I'm telling you that these people, the Venezuelans, have

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Speaker 10: the largest reserves of oil in the we're talking about.

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Speaker 10: This is going to be a windfall for US. When

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Speaker 10: it comes to fossil fuels.

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Speaker 11: Well, and again it's the actual transition that a lot

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01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 11: of Americans are a little wary about because of the

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01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 11: fact that regime change always has unintended consequences.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so the reason this is connected with Honduran politics

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01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 3: as well is that what you're seeing emerge more overtly

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Speaker 3: right now is the reality that this is a new

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01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 3: Cold war dynamic, not just that we're using soft power,

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Speaker 3: but that we are planning to use is hard power

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01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 3: in this new Cold war dynamic.

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Speaker 4: To take for.

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Speaker 3: Example, oil, really really good example to prevent, and this

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01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 3: is a parallel, of course with the Soviet Union, to

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Speaker 3: prevent an alliance between places like Venezuela and Iran with

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Speaker 3: Hesbelah with Hamas, which, like, listen, you and I would

1279
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Speaker 3: probably debate the uranium. You and I would probably debate

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Speaker 3: the substance of those claims. I think none of us

1281
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 3: would debate that there have been overtures.

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Speaker 4: Of course, that's.

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Speaker 6: A debate I think I could win if if you

1284
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 6: were required to argue that Venezuela is shipping uranium.

1285
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Speaker 4: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 5: Arguing that North Korea.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Iran does have a foothold.

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01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 6: In and I can take the other side of that one.

1289
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 6: I am confident in my debating abilities that I could

1290
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 6: walk away with a wa I think.

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Speaker 4: You'd have that one.

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Speaker 3: I don't think any of us would debate that Iran

1293
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Speaker 3: has and Moduro have had a little bit.

1294
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Speaker 5: Of a like Venezuela sending uranium to North Korean hamas.

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Speaker 6: It's just the this is the parallel between are they

1296
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Speaker 6: getting them into Gaza.

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Speaker 3: If you if you were a in the nineteen seventies,

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01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 3: if you were a populist lefty or even not even

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Speaker 3: a lefty, and you talked a little bit about nationalizing this,

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Speaker 3: or you talked a little bit about an alliance with

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Speaker 3: the Soviets, be careful, Be careful, because or they'll make

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Speaker 3: the economy scream and then do a little CIA covert action.

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Speaker 4: So that's that's what's emerging in the region.

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Speaker 3: It's been happening with like a lot of soft power

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Speaker 3: USAID stuff, but Trump is militarizing with Venezuela obviously, and

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Speaker 3: so different countries are going to have that possibility injected

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Speaker 3: back into their politics.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, So we'll be watching that on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Happy regime Change. Thanksgiving Another good one where David Asmond

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Speaker 3: is like they were greeted as liberators after backing Noriegover Overlog.

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Speaker 6: Who was also a narco trafficker and was our man

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Speaker 6: in Panama.

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Speaker 5: He was working with the CIA.

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Speaker 4: Hot CIA director George H. W. Bush met with him.

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Speaker 6: Anyway, we don't get anyone and then and then he's

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Speaker 6: removed for being an narco trafficker and not being useful anymore.

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Speaker 6: So be careful if you're a narco trafficker, don't trust

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Speaker 6: the United States for your retirement plan.

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Speaker 4: Don't do it.

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Speaker 5: Pro tip.

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Speaker 3: Ye all right, Ryan, I know you're hosted Thanksgiving, so you,

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Speaker 3: in addition to having a podcast coming up, have a

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Speaker 3: lot of responsibilities in the next couple of days.

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Speaker 5: So this was important stuff.

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Speaker 4: This was fun. You're doing the Journalist football game again

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Speaker 4: this year?

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Speaker 6: Yes, well, every every Sunday after Thanksgiving a journal football game,

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Speaker 6: so I think they'll it's gonna be a heavy times

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Speaker 6: contingent this weekend, so that'll be fun.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 3: Well, Happy Thanksgiving to all of you out there. Thank

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Speaker 3: you again. We're super grateful for your support. Even if

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Speaker 3: you're not a premium sub, we totally understand. We appreciate

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Speaker 3: you watching the videos, sending them around means a lot

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Speaker 3: to us, so I have a great one.

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Speaker 4: Everyone