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Speaker 1: They around the NFL podcast release that takes cractly from

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Speaker 1: the Chris Westley podcast studio. Everybody wants it. Why won't

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Speaker 1: It's around the NFL. I am Dan Hansa, Scott Heroes here,

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Speaker 1: Greg rosehal Mark Sessler, and back in the fourth chair

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Speaker 1: the dude, Patrick Clayban. What's up, Bud? What's up? Guys?

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Speaker 1: Good to be here. That good to be here with you.

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Speaker 1: It's great have you. Connie was supposed to be back

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Speaker 1: this week, but she got pulled into a type of

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Speaker 2: I mean, what did she She's hosting some sort of

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Speaker 2: mysterious event in the big up.

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Speaker 1: If it's if it's costing our show at Connie Fox Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: it's farious to me it's not costing it.

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Speaker 3: What Well, sure, we've got a whole different show Clay

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Speaker 3: on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Well let me transition to that. So, mister contrarian, Yes

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Speaker 1: we don't have Connie, but the fact that we can

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Speaker 1: have Patrick here is even got a blessing. Not that

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Speaker 1: you were a backup, but we announced previously Collin would

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Speaker 1: Patrick is here instead.

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Speaker 2: We've got an incredible stable and we're just reversatile and Patrick.

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Speaker 1: We keep it pretty tight in terms of who's in

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Speaker 1: the regular fourth chair. It's a it's a hollowed spot.

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Speaker 1: It's clay today is Patrick's.

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Speaker 4: Patrick theme song. I think it's time.

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Speaker 1: Do we have any? Have any been sent in? Do

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Speaker 5: Patrick put out a formal request.

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Speaker 1: Here's a formal request our vibrant Gmail account. Ye, what

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Speaker 1: is the Gmail account? Is it?

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Speaker 5: Is it the ATM? It's the ATM podcast. Let me

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Speaker 5: you know what I should probably know.

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Speaker 1: There's literally like an abbey road of patri just being

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Speaker 1: sent to the wrong email. All right, Well, while our

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Speaker 1: producer Eric works on that, we have some breaking news

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Speaker 1: the way I like it, because too many times we

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Speaker 1: got banged the other way. We finished recording and then oh,

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll got fired. Well not this time. The Seattle

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Speaker 1: Seahawks are moving on from Pete Carroll as they're head coach,

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Speaker 1: reported by the Pell Raiser and elsewhere. He as of

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Speaker 1: right now, the way it's being spun and there's a

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Speaker 1: press conference coming up later today. Carol will remain in

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Speaker 1: the organization, but not as the head coach. So Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 1: who has had an incredible run in Seattle fourteen years,

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Speaker 1: which you know in the NFL you might as well

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Speaker 1: say one hundred years, one hundred and thirty seven and

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Speaker 1: eighty nine and one record. That's an over a six

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Speaker 1: hundred winning percentage. I coached nineteen playoff GAMESO went to

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl back to back years, very nearly, we

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Speaker 1: the most memorable teams of this century, the legion of

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Speaker 1: Boom Seahawks with Russell Wilson and that incredible defense. He

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Speaker 1: is now seventy two years old. Greg Rosenthal and you

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Speaker 1: had been kind of poking around on this one for

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a short list of candidates, right, We

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Speaker 1: But Greg, you say, because I had mentioned it again

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Speaker 1: this before we start taping to you was common sense

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Speaker 1: What do you think Ian? By the way, when he

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Speaker 2: Reaction, He's absolutely overjoyed because it's it's the connection is

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Speaker 3: I think he has no feelings whatsoever, just like all

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Speaker 3: He's a defensive coach in the defense has been bad

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Speaker 3: is that they feel like they're in a window here

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Speaker 4: We want to take them before he goes anywhere else.

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Speaker 3: If Schneider's still there, that will tell me maybe it

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Speaker 2: Seen in the NFL, and I guess, like you know,

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Speaker 2: if it came down to some version of a power struggle,

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Speaker 2: they did, and they made it work, it's natural that

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Speaker 1: And so I mean it was.

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Speaker 2: But he's not a young guy, although he seems his

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Speaker 2: But he's also very good with the media, and I

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love Carrol too. He's incredible. I remember

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Speaker 1: when Pete says Patrick the other day is like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 6: Well, And I also think it's it's one of those

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Speaker 6: when he says like, I love my job, I love

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Speaker 6: this like a scenario where it's like, ah, you know

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Speaker 3: Right If they don't lose the tie break, they literally

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Speaker 6: So again, it's it's one of those things like is

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Speaker 1: So like, what's what's changing and get those Here's what

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Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by the idea of, Okay, if he's going

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Speaker 1: Now he's seventy two and he's the oldest coach in

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Speaker 1: Like, I don't care that he's seventy two. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you, because, yeah, if that Cowboys game

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Speaker 1: Right, So Carol, there's a bombshell right there. Another bombshell

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Speaker 7: of it, and sort of ignoring the more new school

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Speaker 7: ideas of like you don't necessarily need to be successful

435
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Speaker 7: on the ground to have a strong play action game,

436
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 7: like you ate that action in the backfield. Linebackers are

437
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 7: going to flow downfield whether or not you've been gashing them.

438
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Speaker 7: And I think that's where some of this is going again,

439
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,160
Speaker 7: not necessarily like him as a coach, as a developer,

440
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Speaker 7: as a person who can connect to players, because I

441
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Speaker 7: think he is all of those things, but when it

442
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Speaker 7: comes to being more innovative and fresh minded and not

443
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 7: trying to get a lead at halftime and then sit

444
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Speaker 7: on it, but put your foot on the throat of

445
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Speaker 7: your opponent, keep scoring points the way that the teams

446
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Speaker 7: like the forty nine ers and the Dolphins do when

447
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Speaker 7: they're having success. I think that's where this all sort

448
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 7: of stemmed from. Was did Verybole want more control. There's

449
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Speaker 7: conflicting reports that he did other people are saying that

450
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Speaker 7: he actually asked Amy Adams Strunk to hire someone a general,

451
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Speaker 7: a football like a football operations president type of person

452
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Speaker 7: that will be above him and ran karthon that they

453
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Speaker 7: would both answer to one person as opposed to answering

454
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Speaker 7: to the owner. So I don't know if he necessarily

455
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Speaker 7: did want more control. He might have and that, you know,

456
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Speaker 7: that could be a false report out there, But I

457
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Speaker 7: really think this is about Adam Strunk felt Mike Grabel

458
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Speaker 7: wasn't gonna win a Super Bowl. She wants something young

459
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Speaker 7: and innovative. She looks around the league and sees these

460
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 7: exciting offenses. The Titans haven't scored thirty points in a

461
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Speaker 7: football game since late in the twenty twenty one season.

462
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Speaker 7: They went over two full calendar years, and it's going

463
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Speaker 7: to be, you know, two and a half by the

464
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Speaker 7: time we get to September without scoring thirty points in

465
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Speaker 7: a game. So I think they just wanted a fresh

466
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Speaker 7: approach and it could end up being a mistake. You know,

467
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Speaker 7: if Mike Rabel goes to New England gets to draft

468
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Speaker 7: a quarterback at number three and has instant success, it's

469
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Speaker 7: going to look really bad on what the Titans have

470
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Speaker 7: done here. But on the other hand, if they get

471
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Speaker 7: their guy and they have success next year, you know,

472
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Speaker 7: with Will Levis and a lot of draft capital and

473
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Speaker 7: a lot of salary cap space this offseason. I think

474
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Speaker 7: that was another part of it. If the vision wasn't aligned,

475
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Speaker 7: if Mike Rabel wasn't on the same page, are you

476
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Speaker 7: going to let him have a big say and how

477
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Speaker 7: you're going to spend that cap space this offseason on

478
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Speaker 7: what you're gonna do with the seventh overall pick this year,

479
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Speaker 7: and then turn around if it doesn't work, fire him

480
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Speaker 7: next year, and you sort of waste this important offseason.

481
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Speaker 7: I think that all played a role in this.

482
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Speaker 1: Justin Graver, you've said it all, by the way, ironic

483
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 1: that if you added a czar in there, you would

484
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Speaker 1: go from Vrabel saying I want to cook and I

485
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: want the ingredients. Then you have too many chefs. Potentially

486
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: you don't have too many cooks either, So a lot,

487
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to figure out with the Titans.

488
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Speaker 1: We know you got a lot to do over there

489
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Speaker 1: at Fox and uh, let's hit him with another grave digger.

490
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 1: Has he missed that job? I missed that man, And

491
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Speaker 1: you look healthy and happy and uh, you know we

492
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Speaker 1: miss you, Bud.

493
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Speaker 7: Thanks, I miss you guys too. Great to see you.

494
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Speaker 7: Thanks for having me on.

495
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Speaker 1: All right, good to see you.

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Speaker 4: Love your Graver, see it up, Love you guys.

497
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Speaker 1: Iconic Hall of Famer Patrick, your thoughts on the situation.

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Speaker 6: Well, and the one thing that I really want to

499
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Speaker 6: try to figure out from not just Graver, but from

500
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Speaker 6: the Tennessee Titans, because the earlier in the week it was, well,

501
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Speaker 6: we're not going to do the end of the year

502
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Speaker 6: news conference until later this week, until after coach has

503
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Speaker 6: this conversation with ownership and management. It's like, oh, okay,

504
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Speaker 6: what's what's going on there? And I just wonder, is

505
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Speaker 6: there where the conversation ends and Mike Rabel is still

506
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 6: the head coach, Because if that's the case, then that

507
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 6: signals a major problem to me that you're just making

508
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 6: these decisions in the spur of the moment based on

509
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Speaker 6: a conversation right at the end.

510
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Speaker 1: Of the flight.

511
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Speaker 4: The malarkey thing too, which I know.

512
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Speaker 6: Which is which sets up, but it's still a pattern,

513
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Speaker 6: right if you if you go from these coaching decision

514
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Speaker 6: and it's like if these higher fire decisions are coming

515
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Speaker 6: down to one conversation, then what are we really deciding?

516
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Speaker 3: Right And there was also a report literally six weeks

517
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 3: ago that said Mike Rabel is going to be safe

518
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four and beyond that was from Diana

519
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 3: Rossini of The Athletic and that felt like it came

520
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 3: straight and beyond that, you know, something like that doesn't

521
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 3: come from like an assistant coach, that comes from the top.

522
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Speaker 3: And you can almost see you can connect the dots

523
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Speaker 3: because the Titans put it out there or we found

524
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Speaker 3: out from Diana on Monday as well that they didn't

525
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 3: want to do the trade potentially for Mike Rabel because

526
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Speaker 3: it could take a long time and they just didn't

527
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 3: want to get stuck in that process and they wanted

528
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Speaker 3: to get going with possibly hiring the new coaches.

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Speaker 4: And then I watched this video.

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Speaker 3: This is I'm not going to say it's like Kremlin like,

531
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Speaker 3: but it did remind me of a very strange situation.

532
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 3: It was a five minute video from the Titans with

533
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Speaker 3: Strunk and a reporter I guess from the team.

534
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Speaker 1: Had a bit of a PBS like public television vive

535
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Speaker 1: to it.

536
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Speaker 3: Actually, but I know and I'm not speaking for this one.

537
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Speaker 3: In particular, but I've heard of ones like this. Those

538
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 3: those she knows what questions is coming. That's basically like

539
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Speaker 3: a press conference without being a press compan She's going

540
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Speaker 3: to hit the button she wants to hit to get

541
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Speaker 3: the voice out there to the fans.

542
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Speaker 4: Which is fine, that's her right. I don't think it's crazy.

543
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Speaker 3: But one of the things she stressed in that one

544
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Speaker 3: was that exact same point that she didn't want to

545
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Speaker 3: go through the whole trade thing. She basically went through

546
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Speaker 3: everything Justin was saying there and.

547
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Speaker 1: I don't want to go through the trade thing like

548
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Speaker 1: that that it would take bring value to it, It

549
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: would take too much.

550
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Speaker 4: I don't think that to be fair.

551
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Speaker 3: I don't think the trade would have happened anyways, because

552
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: like Mike Rabel has to go along with that and

553
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: it could be a big process. I don't know if

554
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 3: he's gonna They would drama. It just was all very all,

555
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 3: very interesting. This is not a team that people thought

556
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 3: of having great ownership with her father or was it

557
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 3: her father in law. I forget Bud Adams, but either

558
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: I think it's her father.

559
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: It was a fun window. Though I liked that Titans team.

560
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: I like the window is kind of kind of ending

561
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: the Brady Pats era. Was it who had to pick six?

562
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: So Logan Ryan, Logan Ryan to getting to the AFC

563
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: title game like that. That team was kind of fun

564
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: to watch, even though they weren't the traditional type of

565
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: aired out attack. You had Derrek Henry as the lead

566
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,239
Speaker 1: and Ryan Tannehill is a really good veteran quarterback. And

567
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: that window closed and now they're into the great without

568
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: Rabel as well.

569
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Speaker 2: Yeah, changes were already coming to the roster, especially on offense,

570
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Speaker 2: but I can't really think of an AFC team that

571
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: is set for a bigger tone shift than the Titans

572
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: because they were very much Mike Rabels creation.

573
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Speaker 4: Yes, and the players love him.

574
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Speaker 3: They played hard like He's a tough one to figure

575
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: because I don't think he's ever shown he provides any

576
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 3: particular schematic advantage, Like the year he was a defensive

577
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 3: coordinator in the Texans, they were kind of a terrible

578
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 3: defense in one of the worst defensive league.

579
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Speaker 4: Like even in Tennessee.

580
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 3: Like the numbers didn't say it, and yet you can

581
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: see it on the field that they're greater than some

582
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 3: of their parts.

583
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 4: They're tough, they they play hard.

584
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 3: There I think that the moment they'll look back on

585
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 3: is that Bengals loss forty one seed AFC Championship.

586
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Speaker 4: For the next year they follow it up with the

587
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 4: one seed.

588
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: That game was very winnable and they just couldn't get

589
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: any pass protection and that essentially continued for the next

590
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 3: three seasons.

591
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Speaker 1: That was that special Cincinnati season. All right, let's move

592
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: on more to get to some head coaches who are

593
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: safe but their assistant okmark no, Yes, some of the

594
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: coaches that are okay, but they are changes beneath them.

595
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: The bye, the Buyers, the Bears fire offensive coordinator Luke Getsy,

596
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: as well as four other offensive assistants. So there was

597
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: a I mean so much Claybahn of intrigue around the

598
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: Bears right now, palace intrigue. And the idea is Matt

599
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: Eberflu's going to get a third season. Well, it certainly

600
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: looks like he'll get year three, but they're gonna do

601
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: it with a whole new staff. Of course, remember defensive

602
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: coordinator Alan Williams resigned from his role earlier this season.

603
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: Very murky scenario there. So, while Rappaport reported that Iberflus

604
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: is likely to remain the team's defensive play caller. He's

605
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: expected to hire a true defensive coordinator, per source, and

606
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: this is all set against the backdrop of the biggest

607
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: quarterback decision in the history of the organization.

608
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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a lot of different places that the Bears

609
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 6: could go at this point, and I guess the Getsy

610
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 6: thing seemed like it was somewhat inevitable. Is the question

611
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 6: was was Eberflus going to join him? And now if

612
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 6: somebody else is coming in to bring over the defensive

613
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 6: play calling, and then somebody else is going to be,

614
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 6: of course calling the offense. It's one of those things

615
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 6: where we're watching league wide, it's, oh, you got to

616
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 6: get the play caller. The play caller has to be

617
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 6: the head coach. Otherwise, how are you going to get

618
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 6: this guys? How does that match with the idea that

619
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Speaker 6: we're going to have either a quarterback or this is

620
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 6: justin fields and in a must make it situation.

621
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Speaker 1: I just don't think.

622
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Speaker 6: It sounds great for the current head coach of the

623
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Speaker 6: Bears as of right now, considering the position he's in.

624
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's he's he goes into next year

625
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: because there's hope in Chicago that there's pressure on him,

626
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: and I guess like you when you go and look

627
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: around at the available play callers out there, it is

628
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: a bit of a like what are you telling that

629
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: oc Like behind the scenes, look at we're sticking with

630
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: Justin Fields and we need someone who can design an

631
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: offense around Justin Fields and make him special, or we

632
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: might be going and drafting Caleb Williams or Drake May

633
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: and we need someone to con flexibly go to line

634
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: offense around that because if you go and gets like

635
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: a Greg Roman type person to make Justin feels the

636
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: center of the universe, that guy can't go do.

637
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: The thing you'd want if you had Kayleb Williams.

638
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: So it's like it's a very intriguing selection on who

639
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: you pick here.

640
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: You probably keep your cards so close to the vest

641
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: because you don't trust anyone yet even if you have

642
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,959
Speaker 3: a feeling and they probably don't have a final answer,

643
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: although you would think Ryan Poles, in his heart of hearts,

644
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: kind of knows which way he's leaning. But yeah, I

645
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 3: think you pick a coordinator based on the expectation that

646
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: you're going to have a rookie. The thing that has

647
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 3: to be so frustrating for Bears fans is like, this

648
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: is the exact same setup that has failed them multiple

649
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 3: times before with this ownership in a row. So you

650
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: kept John Fox one extra year after he was absolutely

651
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: terrible three and thirteen, they draft Mitch Trubisky, You fire

652
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 3: John Fox. Then it's like a coach in Matt Maggie

653
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Speaker 3: that didn't have blah blah blah. You were thinking about

654
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 3: maybe firing Naggy with Trubisky, you keep them one extra year,

655
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 3: you draft justin Fields, it doesn't go that well, you

656
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: fire Matt Naggy, and then it's field starting over again

657
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 3: with a coach that didn't happen and the most likely

658
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 3: outcome here because Matt Eberflus hasn't shown to be a

659
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: huge difference maker. It is a good roster and maybe

660
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: they will win. But if they don't, Matt Eberfluss will

661
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 3: not be here next year, and it'll be a coach

662
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 3: who didn't draft. It's just like they're never synd up

663
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 3: and it's always the same thing.

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Speaker 1: In other news, the Jaguars melted down down the stretch

665
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Speaker 1: of a regular season, missing out on the playoffs. Usually

666
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: when something like that happens, heads roll and I it's

667
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: not the head coach, it's the people right below. That's

668
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Speaker 1: what happened here. The Jaguars fired defensive coordinator Mike Caldwell

669
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Speaker 1: and multiple assistants on Monday. The team announced Doug Peterson

670
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Speaker 1: had said earlier Monday that he was still quote processing

671
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Speaker 1: the disappointment, disappointing end of the season. It was going

672
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Speaker 1: to take some time before making changes. Well he didn't

673
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Speaker 1: need much time. In addition to they also fired d

674
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Speaker 1: line coach brentston Buckner, passing game coordinator and cornerbacks coach

675
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Speaker 1: Deshea Townsend, insound linebackers coach Tony Gilbert, safety's coach Cody

676
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 1: grimm Grim, senior defensive assistant Bob Sutton, and defensive quality

677
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: control coaches Te Mitchell's and Sean Kalina. So they kind

678
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Speaker 1: of clean out a lot of the staff and not

679
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Speaker 1: a surprise.

680
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Speaker 3: Not a surprise, but they had different options. It was

681
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Speaker 3: interesting listening to some of the local covered John Shipley

682
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: does a great Jaguars podcast that I've listened to, and

683
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: like they were like, are they going to change the

684
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator because the offense got a lot worse and

685
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 3: was more disappointing, whereas this season the defense which is mediocre,

686
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: did improve from where it was a year ago? Or

687
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Speaker 3: could the GM Trent balk be in trouble Because I

688
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: think if you were like doing a blame pie, he

689
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: might have.

690
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Speaker 4: The biggest one.

691
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Speaker 3: But Doug Peterson's an offensive coach ultimately, and it's sort

692
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: of the cleanest, easiest thing to dis blame it on

693
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Speaker 3: the defense. And their defense certainly struggled in that Week

694
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Speaker 3: eighteen game, and it was kind of sloppy with mistackles

695
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: throughout the season.

696
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Speaker 2: It was a total team implosion. It was on both

697
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: sides of the ball, but the defense certainly. I mean,

698
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: it's interesting as Doug Peterson, one of the reasons that

699
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: he ended up, you know, breaking up with the Eagles

700
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: was in that final offseason they asked him to do

701
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: this exact same thing, which was make major coaching changes,

702
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: and he showed extreme loyalty and wound up leaving the

703
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: Eagles for that reason. But in this case, you're right,

704
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: it's not his side of the ball, and there was

705
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: there was clear evidence the change needed to come.

706
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Speaker 6: Yeah, especially well down the stretch they go through that run.

707
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Speaker 6: There's the Jake Browning game. The Bengals scored thirty four points,

708
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Speaker 6: and they lose to the new look Flacco Browns, which

709
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 6: everybody did. And they lose to the Ravens, which everybody did.

710
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Speaker 6: But that the twenty eight points against the Titans were

711
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 6: a few weeks ago. They blew out the Titans. It

712
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 6: was thirty four to fourteen. It just looked like a

713
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 6: functionally different situation. And like Christian kirk Hertz, but it

714
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 6: was tough to defend the Jack's defense, like the way

715
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 6: that they played the entire season. They made some key

716
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 6: turnovers in some spots, but you go back when you're

717
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 6: examining the schedule, it really just wasn't.

718
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Speaker 1: A good defense.

719
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Speaker 4: Offense seemed really poorly coach though, too, But that's you.

720
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Speaker 3: What are you gonna do? You could switch coordinators, but

721
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: it's ultimately Peters. They just got to button that up.

722
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 3: All these interceptions where the receivers don't know where they are,

723
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 3: they can't get a short yardage play.

724
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Speaker 4: They it stuck out more too to me, the offensive code.

725
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: Think about that Chiefs loss where there were like multiple

726
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: drops in the end zone and it seemed to plague

727
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: them all year. And I mean, I think the whole

728
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: thing about Doug Peterson. It's Trevor Lawrence, and it like

729
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: he took a step back. I know he's banged up,

730
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: he played through a lot of injuries, but it's like,

731
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 2: there was this incredible promise that Trevor Lawrence was becoming

732
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: the top five quarterback and we saw a lot of

733
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 2: the old mistakes.

734
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Speaker 1: Stop up the reel that popped up this week on

735
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: Twitter of near touchdowns from Trevor Lawrence. It's like, I mean,

736
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Speaker 1: we're talking what ten, yeah, twelve touchdowns that are plays

737
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: that could be or should be made. And you know,

738
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Speaker 1: that's why not be surprised if with some tweaks to

739
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: what they're doing and it has a healthy year that

740
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: he's a monster next year. I'm not. I'm not out

741
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Speaker 1: on Lawrence as a monster.

742
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Speaker 6: Everybody's gonna overreact, like Dak has some picks at the

743
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 6: end of last season. It's like, oh God, it's it's

744
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 6: over for Duk, Like I think Trevor will be fine.

745
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 6: My question because for folks who didn't watch the game,

746
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 6: of course, if you look at the highlights, it's Trevor

747
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 6: Lawrence pulling the ball back on fourth and goal where

748
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 6: he almost had a chance to score, but on third

749
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 6: down they lined up with three guys in a row

750
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 6: and ran this like spin out pass that had no

751
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 6: hope and it's just like.

752
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: What what was the what's the plan?

753
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: But on that, on that one like failed sneak by Lawrence,

754
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: like they there was other tapes showing that linemen were,

755
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: you know, because he changed the call he changed into

756
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: that play call that it didn't go deep enough where

757
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: line were doing.

758
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: It on his own right, he's done that before, but

759
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 3: doing it that was on him from.

760
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: The and he took accountability for it too. And I'm

761
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 2: with you, Dan, like there's no reason to not believe

762
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Speaker 2: in him at this point.

763
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Speaker 1: But it was just like.

764
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Speaker 3: Luck, And this is true of all these firings, like

765
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: luck is an uncomfortable portion of why any of this happened.

766
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 4: Just like that, you had some bad breaks.

767
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 6: If I had to call and execute that third downplay,

768
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 6: I would have tried to yellow it myself too.

769
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, by the way, nice some nice melodrama. Speaking

770
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: of palace intrigue with the Giants defensive coordinator Wink Martindale.

771
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: And this bummed me out when I heard this right

772
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: before we started. They've mutually agreed to part ways, the

773
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: team announced Wednesday earlier today. The story was that and

774
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: the background was Brian Dabele, I believe, came out and

775
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: said early Monday, I expect Wink to be back. Then

776
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: they have a meeting that same day that they had

777
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: a conversation. And that's a nice way to call it,

778
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: Wink and Brian Dabele, And it ended with Martindale cursing

779
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: out his coach, and it was all about the Giant's

780
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: decision to move on and Dabele's decision to move on

781
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: from outside linebackers coach Drew Wilkins and defensive assistant Kevin

782
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: Wilkins both had come over with Wink from Baltimore, and

783
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: Drew was like Wink's right hand man, and the Post

784
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: reported that Dabel was adamant about getting rid of Drew

785
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: and by associal association, Kevin because there was quote a

786
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: feeling in the building that Martindale and Drew Wilkins were

787
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: creating their own fight them ffeed them one of my

788
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: favorite words within the coaching staff at times, bypassing Dable

789
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: and believing they had to answer only to each other

790
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: and ultimately ownership. So Dable like sniffs this out or

791
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: he perceives us, whether it's true or not and says

792
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: hell no, And it ends with Dabel cursing out Dable,

793
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: excuse me, Wink cursing out Dable storming out of the facility.

794
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: And then Mike Jeez were on the Insider Show on

795
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: NFL Plus today and he's saying the Giants are in

796
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: a weird spot because he just stormed off and went

797
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: to far and never technically resigned, and they also didn't

798
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: fire him, so they were kind of handcuffed.

799
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 4: A look him three million dollars and.

800
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: It was going to cause a problem for the Giants.

801
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 1: So my disappointment is that as a man who loves

802
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: mellow drama, but I can't talk right now that's all

803
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: over because they mutually agree, and Wink, you're upset that

804
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: it's been resolved. I like it's fun and I wanted

805
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: I want him more, the more dysfunction. But Wink's gonna

806
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: get a job somewhere. But also like the head coach

807
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: that hires him is like, damn, do I want these

808
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: Wilkins boys with me?

809
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: Oh, It's it's so funny because like got reminded me

810
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: of that book Collision Low Crossers that we all read,

811
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: where a big part of the drama between the Jets

812
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: was that the offensive staff.

813
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 1: Oh I drank. Every time Mark still brings up cli costs.

814
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: I literally actually like had a long talk with Collision

815
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: Low Crossers with Pete Carroll way back in the day.

816
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: I mean he and he drank, I'll have to say.

817
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: But anyways, like that.

818
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 4: People should check it out. There are not enough to

819
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 4: check out what collision look around.

820
00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: Aren't enough books like this.

821
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 5: I did order and I have that book on my

822
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 5: coffee table and it does mark Collision Low Crossing.

823
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: Because Marcus referenced so much. I literally bought it two

824
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: weeks ago.

825
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: There's more books like this, Greg because they the author,

826
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: they embedded someone with the Jets for like a year

827
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: plus and like you learn number one, everything that happens

828
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: to a football team the minute the off season starts,

829
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: and what the coaches do.

830
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: But it got so soiled because.

831
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: The offensive staff and you had Sanchez and things were

832
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 2: up and down obviously, and the defensive staff were they

833
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: weren't even speaking to each other and they were openly

834
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: at odds and I think, like bad teams, this is

835
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: what starts to happen. And it's like this year's Jets

836
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 2: and this Year's Giants, where you've got defunked quarterback play

837
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: and you've got a defense trying to hold down the

838
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 2: fort and wing Martin Dale's no, Wilton Flower.

839
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 4: I love it.

840
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 3: I'm with you, Dan. I'm sad this having other I

841
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 3: don't like dables move here. It just seems cowardly. Well,

842
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 3: you you have a press conference, you say Martin Dale's

843
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 3: gonna back. Obviously there's some issues here. Glazer reported on

844
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 3: it three weeks ago or whatever it was a month

845
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: ago that the two of them weren't getting along. You

846
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: say he's going to be back, then you fire his

847
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 3: two closest assistants without having a conversation with at a time.

848
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: So that's odd.

849
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 4: That to me is you're firing with Martindale because you

850
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 4: know what's gonna happen to just fire with.

851
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: I heard this through my reporting. Wink went into the office,

852
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: He's like, where's Drew Joe? He did not keV Drew

853
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: and keV Wilkins boys, no, no answer. They were gone.

854
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: And then yeah, Brian actually Bride Dabell goes in just

855
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 3: from the hallway.

856
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: Big gone.

857
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: Hey God, you're right though, Greg, Like it was a

858
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: roundabout move that like this was the Coach of the

859
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: Year a year ago.

860
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: Well, and there are some reporting too, like the Kafka

861
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 3: is unhappy with how Dabel has minimized him. He's the

862
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator. So then you do I like I like Dabel,

863
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 3: but there just seems.

864
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: To be just like, wow is strong by the way,

865
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: Isn't that part of this? This stuff happens all the time,

866
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: doesn't it. We hear about this all the time, and

867
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: firing assistance that are connected to people. And then I

868
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: only have so many resigns. I only have so many principles.

869
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: But I do feel like within the most important principle

870
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 3: is just be forthright in important matters with people around you.

871
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: So that just seems like you're you're kind of taking

872
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: the easy way out.

873
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 6: Don't have a loud, passionate screaming match on national television

874
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 6: with somebody and then come out and be like, hey,

875
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 6: you know, everything's fine. You know, we hang out, we

876
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 6: have tea in the afternoon. Like no, like we had

877
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 6: a disagreement. We're not necessarily seeing eye on on on

878
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 6: a certain issue.

879
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: But the market Patrick like he's trying to put that

880
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: out because anything you say is going to be sure.

881
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 4: To not just like handle it with Martin Dale, you know,

882
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 4: person in person, are.

883
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: They gonna Are they gonna get rid of the defensive

884
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: meeting rooms? Sure?

885
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 6: It seems like Drue as a fiefdom, right because I

886
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 6: had to look it up. It's an area over which

887
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 6: someone exercizes control in the manner of a feudal lord.

888
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 6: So are we gonna say, like anytime the defense is meeting? Like, wait,

889
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 6: what are you guys talking about? I don't necessarily trust you.

890
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 6: Table's like, hey, wait, you want to have a conversation

891
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 6: real quick? He's like no, I'm actually just about to

892
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 6: grab jew and get so.

893
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: Much it was like, nah, now you know you will

894
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: not be having lunch with Yeah, he won't be finding Drew.

895
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: You're just gonna find out the office, all right. And

896
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: finally in the news, all quiet in New England for

897
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: the time being. So Vrabel's out held, Carol's out, Carol

898
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: coach the Pats once upon a time. Putting that together, bo,

899
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, that's that's history. But a couple of

900
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: days now, after Bill's end of season press conference and

901
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: him mentioning that he was under contract to the Patriots

902
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: and all the speculation connecting him to multiple teams, including

903
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons. No updates. I do have the atn

904
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: Media insider. I did get a quote from Bill. I

905
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: know this is going to be surprising, very surprising, because

906
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: you know what what Robert Kraft wants. Craft wants Bill

907
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: to quit and and then he he looks good and

908
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: then they start over. But Bill wants to He's putting

909
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,959
Speaker 1: the heat on Craft to make the move. Uh, here's

910
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: what Bill told me exclusively, if you want to stop me,

911
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to kill so emotional. So he's starting

912
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: to open up a little bit, and that's good. I

913
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 1: think that's good that Bill is being honest with the media,

914
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: just like Dable. We don't want to be cowardly. Yeah,

915
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: so cathartic. Yeah, was it easy to get him to

916
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: go on record one on one week? I got him

917
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: very drunk.

918
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 4: You do you do wonder? Yeah?

919
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 3: Is is Robert Kraft making Jonathan Kraft be the bad

920
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 3: guy here?

921
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 4: They did?

922
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: They did, by the way, not enjoy that Pete Carroll

923
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 3: experience the first time around. That was their welcome to

924
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 3: NFL ownership, was that it.

925
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: Was like forty two e ons ago. Yeah, that Pete

926
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: Carroll is a different person.

927
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 4: Carroll thing.

928
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: I fully expect Bill Belichick to not be the head

929
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 3: coach of the Patriots in a week or whenever. It's

930
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 3: going to be Tom Curran, who I really trust more

931
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 3: than anyone there. Has said repeatedly, do you trust more

932
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 3: Tom Kerrn or your own father?

933
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: Quick?

934
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 4: Quick, quite quick about the Patriot No?

935
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: No, no, no answer my father.

936
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 3: But I just he's been operating like they made this decision.

937
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 3: The decision is made, and it does make sense to

938
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 3: me that there would be some I think they want

939
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 3: to have it be as kumbaya as Siaks have with

940
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 3: Pete Carroll. Now I don't think that's it's not going

941
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 3: to be that cool, but I think they're trying to

942
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 3: to just manage it, and that change is coming, it's

943
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 3: just not hasn't come in the forty eight hours after.

944
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: This and the and you look at Tennessee with Rabel

945
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: and they decided not to pursue the trade route. And

946
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: it does make sense when you kind of break it

947
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: down that obviously that Craft would love to turn this

948
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: into a trade, but Bill has no reason to make

949
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: it a trade. And if Bill puts it back on crime,

950
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: it's like I'm not agreeing to anything like that, You're

951
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: gonna have to fire me. You can't keep me, like

952
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: you if you if you don't trade me and you

953
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: don't fire me, then you got to keep me. And

954
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: meanwhile the Patriots are trying to start over, and it's like,

955
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: what is this gonna wrap up? Is the question?

956
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 3: Tom also believes it. Bill wholeheartedly really with lot wants

957
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 3: to stay in New England. That is his like, he

958
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 3: loves it there, he's been there forever. He believes he

959
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 3: can turn it around, and so yeah, he's got to

960
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 3: go out kicking and screaming. He is not assuming that

961
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 3: this is a FATA company and you never know. Maybe

962
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 3: he could be persuasive, but I don't think so. I

963
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 3: also don't think any team is waiting around for Bill

964
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 3: Belichick or Mike Rabel for that matter, around these trades.

965
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 3: It's like Rabel was six and eighteen, like, yes, they

966
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: would give up something potentially, but it's not Mike Rabel

967
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 3: three years ago off winning the Coach of the Year,

968
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 3: And it's not Bill Belichick ten years ago or anything.

969
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: Can you're saying and that's somebody who Weiser was the

970
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: same thing. I think Belichick is tremendous like, I think

971
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a big market.

972
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 4: I do too.

973
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 3: I just don't think teams are gonna wait around to

974
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 3: send like a valuable draft pick for him. And if

975
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 3: it's their wady around to get like a fifth round pick,

976
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 3: It's like, what are we doing?

977
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: It'd be embarrassing to be trade rounded for a fifth round.

978
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: I'm just saying like, I don't think anyone's giving up

979
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: a first for Bill right now.

980
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 4: We're like going through the hassle of it.

981
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: And who do you call? Like, how do you make

982
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: a trade for Bill Belichick? I guess the other Bill

983
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: you have to.

984
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: Well, true, yeah, you've called got a circle circle around

985
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick.

986
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: But crafts, Yeah, that's yeah, you're gonna have to kill me.

987
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: That's interesting. All right, that's what's happening in the news.

988
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: Eric circling back to the Claybon theme song.

989
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 5: Yes, any Claybond theme songs or anybody theme songs for

990
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 5: that matter. We got that Mark Sessler one just got

991
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 5: dropped in our lap. Didn't really ask word.

992
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: It's a banger. The ATM podcast at Gmail. You have that,

993
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: you have that if you're gonna mention it, will play

994
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: it just to give you an idea of the creativity

995
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: that we expect. If you're going to if you're gonna submit,

996
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: don't waste our time. I want actual musicians. I want

997
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: real production values, because anything less than that is a

998
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: slap in the face of Patrick Clayban, which is fine,

999
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: like you could and we're not gonna go the dable

1000
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: route with with Drew, where we want to treat the

1001
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: man with the respect he deserves.

1002
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 6: You know.

1003
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: So the themes that we've had for Colleen and who

1004
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: else has base Wish has a ton by the way,

1005
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: Whish before we did here's the Mark theme by the way,

1006
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: and Bar Curtis sent everybody can't get enough? Can't you

1007
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: just picture Mark in a club in Berlin with Pierre Nipples,

1008
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: just dancing every one of those all aspects of that story.

1009
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 6: I could see him at the DJ table spinning this

1010
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 6: track like with the crowd going rolling out of his mind.

1011
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 4: Now I'm going to the dance for the Pierce nipples.

1012
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: Paisley open shirt not not a like a button down

1013
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: but not no buttons, just nobody's touching.

1014
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: A lot of slow motion. Here's so anyway, before the

1015
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,959
Speaker 1: wife submissions came in, we we actually spoke with wises

1016
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: like what do you want? And he talked about his

1017
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: wife uh D's background Jamaican background, I believe it is,

1018
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: and we get like kind of something with a little

1019
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: dancey calypso vibe Caribbean, like what what would a clayband song? Oh,

1020
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: are you gonna hate my answer?

1021
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 6: No, because if somebody's taking the time to make make

1022
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 6: a track about me, just just feel it whatever I

1023
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 6: have never said that means something to you or any no.

1024
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 4: Boundaries, just just make you don't need a particular style.

1025
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going to put anybody in a box. So

1026
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: you're saying, lyrically, go wherever you want. But musically, is

1027
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: there a genre that perhaps you would I would prefer

1028
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: I would prefer control over the lyrics more than the music.

1029
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: We can't offer you that we can't off you that

1030
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: we can't let you shop for the groceries. Okay, someone's

1031
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: shopping for the groceries and making the meal here. Yeah,

1032
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: but you'll have multiple to pick from it, because no,

1033
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: I didn't. I got one. But that's fine. I really

1034
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I mean that's one out of one. Yeah,

1035
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: if you.

1036
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 6: Want to, if you want a rolling sweaty glowstick track

1037
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 6: like marks like that's fine or you could.

1038
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: Doesn't feel right though, I don't know what it is,

1039
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: like Patrick, there's something. Uh, people are gonna get the essence.

1040
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: They're gonna you know, you know, I don't want to

1041
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: they know they know him through the I was gonna

1042
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: offer my opinion on it, but I'm just gonna let

1043
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: the people feel it out. Yeah, well, musical people have

1044
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: patrick beautiful face. Just stare at it and what does

1045
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: it bring to you? Like and creatively? How does that

1046
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: get the juices flowing? It could be a sultry song.

1047
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: We don't try to control yourself. Look at it PA's photo.

1048
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 4: I don't know if Patrick is like a huge music guy.

1049
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's the other people making the song, That's

1050
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. That informs why he doesn't need a

1051
00:49:58,640 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 3: specific genre.

1052
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 6: He I also don't know enough to like because musical

1053
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 6: genres kind of getting the weeds a little bit.

1054
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 3: I just remember having a conversation with you one yeah,

1055
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 3: with about me and You're like, I don't know that

1056
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 3: much about music, and I was like, Okay, that's interesting.

1057
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: What about something with a bit of like a hoopa

1058
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: stank vibe, like more of the reason or crawling like

1059
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: dark the reason whoa. Okay, you're trying to project onto

1060
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: him what he had to share it for some reason,

1061
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: like the reason I'm the reason I'm more crawling in

1062
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: the dark than I am the rest. Okay, there you go.

1063
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: There's just one direction you can go. And I mentioned

1064
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 1: looking at the pictures of Patrick. Be respectful, that's all. Yeah,

1065
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: it's hard. Be respectful. All right, let's take a break.

1066
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: Oh did we do we say the name of the email? Yeah,

1067
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: that's the ATN podcast at gmail dot com. Send him in,

1068
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: don't disappoint us. We believe in you, and uh we

1069
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: will send you a signed autograph photo of Mark Sessler

1070
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: in the Levi jacket. Uh for the anyone that submits

1071
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: a song that we use on the show. How about that?

1072
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: That means we got to send Mark back for another

1073
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: photo engagement.

1074
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: No, no, I'll take it out in the wild and

1075
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: I'll take it. I'm not taking in the corporate office.

1076
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: Yes, we're gonna get you. Yes, it's gonna be like

1077
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: one of those yearbook photos where they take you outside

1078
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: and put you up against the oak church. That photographer

1079
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: was brought here for that window of time. She does not.

1080
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: She's not just downstairs. She's part of the photo team. Bud,

1081
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: you gotta plug in on this office. No, they we

1082
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: outsource that team. Plug in into the office. We're gonna

1083
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: have you come in on an off day too, get

1084
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: your makeup done. I will literally drive to Canada before

1085
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: any of that happens. Let's take a break and we'll

1086
00:51:39,520 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: be right back. Bloody dumdeed dumb Awards season has calm everyone. Awards.

1087
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: Why the can't we have them too? So vustly it

1088
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: is time for the Aten Awards not to be confused

1089
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: with the Avian Awards. Certainly not. I mean one's more

1090
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: fun than the other. Yeah, and it's not this one

1091
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: all right now? You see it everywhere. I weirdly, we've

1092
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: never done this, and that's kind of something we had

1093
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: to rectify. We have never gotcha. That one got a

1094
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: Joe Koi over here. Pat's been too many an A

1095
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: Vien Awards, that's why he's co hosted them. You had

1096
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: a memorable pattern with a Brianna Banks back in O two.

1097
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: I remember, Yeah, who can forget? All? Right? Now, let's

1098
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: get into it. It is time to share our picks

1099
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: and what we did we did is a collective a

1100
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: voting system that mirrors what the Associate depressed us with

1101
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: the MVP Award, which is a voting that breaks it down.

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00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: You get five votes and a first place vote is

1103
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: ten points. Second place vote is what five points? Was it? Yeah?

1104
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: And three to two one? And for the NFL the

1105
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: official awards which are announced at the honors and all

1106
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: that stuff. That is just for the MVP, but we

1107
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: did it for the other major awards as well, So

1108
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: let's go through them all. And we had a nice

1109
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: voting body this year. It was the three of us.

1110
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: Claybond was with us as well, Nick Shook, who's another

1111
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: member of the ATN Hall of Fame, the Sunday Night Man,

1112
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 1: and beyond the Pipe you have Colleen Wolfe also turned

1113
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: in her ballot. Also behind the Glass, Big Funk and

1114
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: Eric Roberts.

1115
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 3: Wow, that is streets are talking like, should the producers

1116
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 3: combine to have one producer vote?

1117
00:53:59,440 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: You know?

1118
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 3: Have they they earned a totally separate, separate and equal vote.

1119
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 3: I would have just bullied Randy into taking my votes.

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00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I know you're gonna stand up for yourself,

1121
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: and honest they deserve it. But of course we do, okay,

1122
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: But if it would have been one vote, I just

1123
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: would have tooken the vote. That's fine, okay, I got

1124
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: developing news.

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00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 3: By the way, I'm glad we learned more about your

1126
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 3: dynamics between the two of you.

1127
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 4: That was fascinating.

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00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: On ha ha. My mom has made a statement on

1129
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: the changing of the guard in Seattle. Oh okay, mom

1130
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:49,479
Speaker 1: says forward statement, but incredibly powerful. Football just got uglier. Wow,

1131
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 1: this crush has been decades decades old, right it started

1132
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: in the Pete was one and done with the Jets. Yeah,

1133
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: in ninety four, so thirty years. And yeah, she's been

1134
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: married almost fifteen five fifty years.

1135
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 3: A fair amount of Maybe that was a sneaky key

1136
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 3: to his college success, you know, going in those I

1137
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 3: don't know how sneaky recruiting and pressing the moms. Okay, unbelievable.

1138
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 3: That's salt and pepper hair will take you far. All right,

1139
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 3: let's get to it now, MVP. And it isn't wait.

1140
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 3: My dad also has now replied to his statements. I

1141
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 3: put Keith and Deb on the thread. Any phone call

1142
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 3: home is also they're always both on the phone.

1143
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, same with my parents always together Keith has

1144
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 1: chimed in directly after my mom, another jet coach that failed.

1145
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: Hey man, it's a little competition there, sounds like to me,

1146
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: he doesn't seem too concerned. No, all right, let's get

1147
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: to it, MVP. It is a runaway. My only concern

1148
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: with this, and I shared this with producer Eric, was

1149
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: that we're gonna be a little too chalky as a

1150
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: group to what everyone else is gonna say. But you know,

1151
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: we can do it right way.

1152
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 4: We can get into how we disagree if we want.

1153
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: Sure of it. I hope we disagree, because that makes

1154
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: for good podcasting, all right. The MVP of the league

1155
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 1: in a landslide, Lamar Jackson, who got first place votes

1156
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: from everyone except for Shookie Nick Schook, gave his first

1157
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: place vote to Christian McCaffrey. Lamar got seventy five what

1158
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: do they call points? I don't even know how they

1159
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: do it votes. Seems like a point points whatever, you

1160
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: can call him whatever you want. Second place a little

1161
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: bit of surprise, I thought, but narrowly edging out Dak.

1162
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey got twenty seven points, Dak twenty six, fourth

1163
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: place Rock Purty and then fifth place Tyreek Hill so

1164
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: pretty it's sixteen points Tyreek, Cattleven and Mark. I really

1165
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: do think I think I think Party might do or

1166
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: I'm almost certain Party will do better in the AP voting.

1167
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: But I think it just goes to show you there

1168
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: was that lingering idea of where Purdy's talents stack up

1169
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: to everything else that's going on around him. But also

1170
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: I think that stage on Christmas Night flopping essentially and

1171
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: his change.

1172
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went Lamar number one and Party number two.

1173
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 2: Colleen also had Party number two. I think it was

1174
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 2: like a really unique year for MVP, where like they

1175
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 2: all seem to square off and duel against each other

1176
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 2: down the stretch. And I think that you know, Lamar

1177
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 2: passed every test, he passed every test and did stump

1178
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: he you know's there was no real second place to me.

1179
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 3: Well, also, there's another forty nine er that outvoted you know,

1180
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 3: Party in this voting, And I think that that's part

1181
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 3: of it is that reasonable minds can look at that

1182
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 3: team and think McCaffrey is the most important guy on it,

1183
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 3: especially this year, and I think reasonable minds could go

1184
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 3: purty one.

1185
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 4: My big takeaway from.

1186
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 3: Doing all these awards is there are no awards, maybe

1187
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 3: the exception of Offensive Rookie of the Year, but we

1188
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 3: could even get into that with the season Pooka had

1189
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 3: that that seemed like there's bad choices, Like I don't

1190
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 3: think Dak or Purty are bad choices here, Like it's

1191
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 3: not it's completely reasonable to vote for them first over Laura,

1192
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 3: I voted Lamar first, CMC second, So I ended up

1193
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 3: chalk with what we ended up with.

1194
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 4: But like even Josh Allen's like not that crazy.

1195
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 3: He ended up six then ours like I wouldn't be

1196
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 3: surprised if he gets in the top five in the

1197
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 3: In the final voting.

1198
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: I had Dak. I gave him my second place vote

1199
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: and Party my third place vote. But I could have

1200
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: easily went the other way on that, but it was

1201
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: a very clear Luay Lamar closed that he deserved it,

1202
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: and the Ravens are sitting on a buy right now

1203
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: as a result, in large part because of Jackson's incredible.

1204
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 3: You didn't mention the votes at the very end Stafford.

1205
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 3: I gave Stafford a fourth place vote.

1206
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: I like that. Somebody like it's usual a local beat

1207
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: guy and yeah, we're in Los Angeles.

1208
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 4: I like Miles Garrett got a fourth place vote. I

1209
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 4: don't know who that was.

1210
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 3: And TJ Star got a fifth place vote. And then,

1211
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 3: in a total stunner, Colleen voted your mom.

1212
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, she got whose mom is? She pointed to your mom.

1213
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: I guess it's just it applies to anyone, anyone, and

1214
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: you know what, moms don't get enough credit. So I

1215
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: think that was a great one.

1216
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 2: That's a great voter. She's sort of quietly voted for

1217
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: millions of people. Yeah, that was at least probably more

1218
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 2: than millions.

1219
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 3: Eric not only voted Josh Allen third, which I think

1220
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 3: is very reasonable, he made Randy put him on the

1221
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 3: ballot too, so that was where those votes came from.

1222
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: Twisted his arm violently. All right, let's move to offense,

1223
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: Jordan love Guys, it's like a fifth place Offensive Player

1224
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: of the Year now, this one it made me think, if, if,

1225
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: how did the voters do with this, because hypothetically, if

1226
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: you vote, you know, quarterbacks and the MVP rankings, do

1227
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: you just eliminate them from this entirely or do you

1228
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: put them? But I did. I took them out.

1229
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 2: I had the same questions like, why wouldn't I take

1230
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 2: like the second best quarterback that I voted for an

1231
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 2: MVP and just make them offensive play of the Year,

1232
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 2: but I went zero quarterback strategy.

1233
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 4: Sometimes quarterbacks have won both.

1234
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 3: I remember Peyton Manning did it, for instance, and that's

1235
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 3: why I've always been annoyed by this award.

1236
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 4: That then your two nebula and if.

1237
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 3: You vote, well, it's also like if you voted them second,

1238
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 3: then I'll vote for the quarterback first. I'd say it's

1239
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 3: most valuable non quarterback.

1240
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: All right. With that said, here is the Offensive Player

1241
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: of the Year, and it's deserved. It is the running

1242
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: back of the forty nine ers. Christian McCaffrey was sixty

1243
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: five votes. If you're watching it on YouTube, we got

1244
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: some really nice graphics. Was that big funk on the graphics? No,

1245
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: that was me, guys. Not only it was funk, but

1246
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: Roberts twisted taking votes from funking now taking credit to

1247
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: CMC got first place votes from let's see everybody except

1248
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: for Claybon who went with Tyreek Hill, and I gave

1249
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: CD Lamb some love. You know, I'm in a love

1250
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: affair with CD right now. But it was CMC finishing first,

1251
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill distant second thirty eight points, CD third twenty

1252
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: eight points, Josh Allen fifteen points, Dac with six points,

1253
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: which tells you, yeah, the quarterbacks are kind of floating

1254
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: in another world. Why Tyreek over CMC Patrick.

1255
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,479
Speaker 6: I was just looking at who stood out the most

1256
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 6: among their peers, and I don't think you could say

1257
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 6: anybody came even close to what Tyrek did as a

1258
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 6: wide receiver this year and especially those past cuple when

1259
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 6: Tyreek was not one and he was still dominating in

1260
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 6: many aspects of the game, like he hobbles back on

1261
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 6: the field to make a game winning play.

1262
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: Uh. That just that just kind of sent me over

1263
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: the edge.

1264
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 6: Not necessarily that, and I knew Christian was going to

1265
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 6: get some votes and maybe there was some vote chachinery.

1266
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 6: Uh with leaving Christian off of my Offensive Player of

1267
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 6: the Year.

1268
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 4: It took them off entirely. Wow, it didn't. It didn't help.

1269
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: It did not ultimately matter. And that's a strategy though.

1270
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's one of you know, weird people do

1271
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 6: it all the time and never acknowledge it. I will

1272
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 6: acknowledge it as trash. But I tried and I failed.

1273
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. Does that actually happen? Oh? Yes, yeah,

1274
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: especially ridiculous all right, let's move to unless anybody knows

1275
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: something out there.

1276
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 3: I like that we both me and you gave Kira

1277
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 3: and Williams some love as a fourth place pop.

1278
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: What what a year? What a difference maker for that

1279
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: offense in Los Angeles? All right, Defensive player of the year.

1280
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: And now this is a wide open year because I

1281
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: thought Miles Garrett obviously was a leader early on, and

1282
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 1: then he gets banged up and production the production dip,

1283
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: so that opened the door? Could anyone walk in that door?

1284
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:07,919
Speaker 1: Here is the winner with sixty eight votes. I don't

1285
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: like same points for some reason, it doesn't have the

1286
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: same votes.

1287
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 4: Make sense.

1288
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:18,439
Speaker 1: Rave toss sixty eight votes. Miles Garrett wins it. Mark

1289
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: congratulations TJ. Watt, even though he picked up a couple

1290
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: of sacks there before going down with the injury. In

1291
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: Week seventeen thirty eight thirty eight votes. Maker Parsons thirty

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Speaker 1: three votes. Max Crosby got seven who I forgot about Max? Sorry?

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01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: But and Doron Bland with seven, who had all those

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Speaker 1: pick sixes. You know that happens too, it does. I

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01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: mentioned I missed the I missed Zay Flowers too.

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Speaker 2: Eric knows that I was working on this toiling right

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01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,959
Speaker 2: up to the final minutes, and there were were there edits.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know how much he wants me

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Speaker 1: to pull out what happened, how many edits, what it called.

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Speaker 2: I didn't understand the assignment out of the gate in

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01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 2: terms of going five deep with everyone.

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Speaker 1: So he gave me the winner, and then he gave

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Speaker 1: me the top three, and then he gave me the

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Speaker 1: top five. It was like a reveal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I wanted to make it at an

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01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 2: element of showmanship. Brahma to it and they see it.

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Speaker 1: That's an next level showmanship when it's just you and

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Speaker 1: the producer, privor he wasn't asking for that. How did

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Speaker 1: Colleen do with the assignment?

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Speaker 5: By the way, great want Yeah, one email and an

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Speaker 5: extra your mom in there.

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Speaker 1: So she was let's see the way this broke down.

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Speaker 1: Miles got first place votes from Sestog, Connie Shook, Claybahn, Randy,

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Speaker 1: and Eric. I gave Greg. You gave him a second

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01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: place vote, and I gave him a third place vote.

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01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 3: You went TJ Wyt, I went Michael Parsons again. I

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01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 3: don't I think those three are all really strong. I

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01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 3: tend to think Miles Garrett will win, but wouldn't I

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01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 3: think TJ. Watt as a as a real chance.

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Speaker 1: I think it will be closer. Yeah, I think it'll

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01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: be closer than they actually know because they don't do

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Speaker 1: the MVP style voting for anything other than MVP, so

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01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: this is just one pick and doe.

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Speaker 3: But even then it could. I believe when TJ won

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01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 3: it before, I could be wrong. That was one of

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01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 3: those years, like he had less than twenty votes, but

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01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 3: he had the most votes, and something similar could happen.

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01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 3: Parsons passes just my I think he's the best, and

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01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 3: then there is some good numbers for it, like he

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01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 3: does have way more pressures than anyone in the league.

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01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 3: His pass rush win rate is significantly better than anyone.

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Speaker 3: Miles Garrett is a strong number two there, and then

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Speaker 3: it's a pretty big drop to number three. Parsons faces

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01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 3: the most amount of double teams in the league. He's

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01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 3: beaten double teams the most, and so just trying, I

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01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 3: think TJ. Watt would be a good vote. I think Garrett,

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01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 3: who was my second place, would be a great vote too.

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01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 3: But just like pulling them apart. Once I saw those

1339
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 3: sort of news things, I was like that was enough

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01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 3: for me to just back what my gut tells me.

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Speaker 1: Which is, by the way, why I threw Aaron Donald

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01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: a vote, because his pop the hood metrics are all

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01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: still dominant. He's always commanding all those double and triple

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01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: teams and still uh you know he sat he was

1345
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: setting the table for your boy young Kobe this season.

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01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: You think he's been better than Miles Garrett this season.

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01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 4: He voted the bottom of the part place, but I

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01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 4: gave him a vote.

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01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: Okay, I had Garrett third. I think I think they

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01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: really any of those three.

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Speaker 2: It does come down I think also just like the

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01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 2: experience of watching football and the player itself, because it's

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Speaker 2: like I completely hear your argument for for Michael and

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01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 2: also for TJ. But if I think like Garrett has

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01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 2: been at a defensive player of the year level throughout

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01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 2: his throughout the last couple of seasons, and this was

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01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 2: just a little bit more of a special performance on

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01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 2: a special defense.

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Speaker 3: I like, I do actually like rewarding him like it

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01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 3: was one reason why I had him second versus third

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01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 3: versus It's like what's already won one. I do think

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01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 3: that's okay to take into account, Like James Harrison won one,

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01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 3: and he was very deserving a couple of times, and

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Speaker 3: I and he kind of won it. It was like

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01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 3: Pacino winning for Sense of a Woman order. He won

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Speaker 3: it in the year that I didn't think he should

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01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:05,919
Speaker 3: have won it, but I was like, it was good

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01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 3: that he won it.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was good. So I think that's okay

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Speaker 4: for Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 1: Well, in terms of my ethics, I give it to

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Speaker 1: the best man. Yeah, outright.

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01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 6: It's kind of like a makeup call in with Jenson's

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01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 6: you have two bat calls instead of one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but if they're all like if you're just like

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01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 4: breaking ties or whatever.

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Speaker 1: You were talking about your personal level of integrity when

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01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: it comes to being forthright with people. Earlier, I wrote

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Speaker 1: that down for myself. By the way, I want to

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01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: tell you best man for the job. That's my credo.

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Speaker 1: That's where I stand. Mark your next Later in the show,

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01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: I believe Myles Garrett was the best player. No, I

1383
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: want something more like a personal stance. Yeah, on integrity,

1384
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: that trying to cook one up.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying with big life decisions like firing a man, Yes,

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Speaker 3: I was saying that an important decision.

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Speaker 1: I'm not questioning with you. Let's go. I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: I was sharing. Yeah, some ethics, best man, we've all

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Speaker 1: we're all the better for it. Dan, all right, let's

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Speaker 1: move to where are we at now? Offensive Rookie of

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Speaker 1: the Year. This one was surprising. Hit it hit the

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Speaker 1: uh what is that called again? It's a drum roll? Now,

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01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 1: It's timpany, That's what it is. It's the timpany Timpani.

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01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: By the way, someone sorry, somebody on Twitter gave me

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01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: something really something to chew on that. I loved it. Oh,

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Speaker 1: here it is from Hugh Robertson. People were wondering, those

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01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 1: people being me, what do you call it when you're

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01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: strumming the harp? I would say strumming, But that's what

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Speaker 1: I thought too well. Hugh Robertson tells us that this

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01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 1: Hugh Robertson tells us that flourish on the harp, leading

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01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 1: into new horizons money is called a glissando. That's a word,

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01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: a cascade of notes rippling into each other, not unlike

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01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,600
Speaker 1: the woe is currently befallowing the Philadelphia Eagles. What a

1404
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: beautiful tweet, heed the call, great tweet. Let me hear

1405
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: that again. This year a Glissando. That was multiple. That

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01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: was Glissando, Glissandos. When there's two, it's Glissandos. All right,

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01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: now give me the timpany because it's time to announce

1408
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 1: the offensive Rookie the Year. This one was closer than

1409
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be. But with sixty

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01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 1: five votes, you know it's the quarterback of the Houston Texans.

1411
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,879
Speaker 1: He's getting ready to knock out Marks Brown. CJ. Stroud

1412
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: the Offensive Rookie of the Year for Around the NFL,

1413
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,759
Speaker 1: just narrowly edging out Puka Nakua by ten votes, sixty

1414
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:57,759
Speaker 1: five to fifty five. First place votes for CJ from Zuzzar, Greg, Mark,

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01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 1: Colleen and Shook, second plays votes from claybon Funk and

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01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: Eric first plays votes to Puka For those last three names, Mark,

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01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: it's Stroud, though Stroud wins it. Yeah, I got a

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01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: landslide for us. It was Pukah has been incredible. He

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01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: broke a record dating back to nineteen sixty and from

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01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: wire to wire he was a fascination. I mean, for me,

1421
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: it's a degree of difficulty, like c J.

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01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 2: Stroud coming in and right away doing things that you'd

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01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 2: expect a quarterback to do in year three and four

1424
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 2: and looking like a potential, like I thought at times

1425
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 2: a possible MVP CABET candidate, and like Shook gave him

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01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 2: an MVP vote, and it's like Stroud has completely changed

1427
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 2: the organization. And I just think I gave that a

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01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 2: little bit more value than wide receiver.

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01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 3: I Yeah, I struggle with that because I would want

1430
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 3: to give it to a receiver if he was that

1431
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 3: exceptional as a receiver, he has a case to be made.

1432
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 3: Maybe not All Pro because the only but second team

1433
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 3: All Pro the top four wide receivers in the league.

1434
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 1: But Stroud, to me, was a top six quarterback in

1435
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: the league.

1436
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 3: So like, if Stroud wasn't this exceptional, then I would

1437
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 3: have gone Puka. Like you look at some of the

1438
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 3: previous winners, Pooka would have won it over Garrett Wilson,

1439
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase is close, Herbert would have been close.

1440
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 4: Kyler.

1441
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 3: I would have said he would have won it over

1442
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 3: Saquon Camara, maybe not Dak. That was an incredible rookie year,

1443
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 3: Like it had to be a really special rookie year

1444
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 3: to beat up Pooka, But I think Stroud had that year.

1445
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right. This is one of those

1446
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 1: you look back and wow, quarterback who hit the ground

1447
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 1: running as a star, and then you can understand why

1448
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: people are tossing drinks in Charlotte because you had a

1449
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: chance and passed on that man. By the way, I

1450
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 1: threw Bijon a vote, and I was surprised to see that.

1451
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 1: You know what, Greg, you had mentioned that. I think

1452
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: he finished over fourteen hundred total yards and it was

1453
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: a lot of incompetence around him.

1454
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 4: You had a fifth place vote.

1455
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the play calling, and I just almost a

1456
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: nod of appreciation that I still see you as a

1457
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: potential super stars, So thank you for doing your best

1458
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: and trying circumstances.

1459
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 4: At the bottom of the list was more mixed up.

1460
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 3: Sam Laporto was a strong third, and yeah, he would

1461
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:10,679
Speaker 3: have been a good candidate in a lot of years.

1462
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 3: Jayden Reid and Jamiir Gibbs were tied for fifth.

1463
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 4: Tank. I assume that's not Tank Bigsby.

1464
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 3: I don't think so. That's Del Tank Del. Yes, I

1465
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 3: don't know why I had Tanks Biggs beyond their brain.

1466
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 3: Jordan Addison gets a little vote, eight, Chen gets a vote.

1467
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 3: Z Flowers gets four.

1468
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 1: There we go, all right, let's move to this Defensive

1469
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year. This one I struggled with, but

1470
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 1: here we go, Defensive Rookie of the Year. The winner

1471
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: is just like the Jets last year, the Texans sweep

1472
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: the category. Will Anderson, the defensive end winsor was sixty

1473
01:12:54,040 --> 01:13:00,759
Speaker 1: three votes. We have Jalen Carter, the Eagles defensive tackle,

1474
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: thirty eight votes, and then Witherspoon of Seattle gets twenty five.

1475
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: That's the top three. Young Kobe just misses out on

1476
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 1: a medal twenty four points twenty four votes. Excuse me,

1477
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 1: I struggled with this one. Guys. For instance, I gave

1478
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 1: Will Anderson a third place vote, and Greg, I say,

1479
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 1: you gave him a second place vote, and then everyone

1480
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: else gave him first place vote except for excuse me, Shook,

1481
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 1: who gave his second place vote as well. Mark, what

1482
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: was your thinking on this one?

1483
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 2: I think Will Anderson is the kind of player that

1484
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,600
Speaker 2: helped the Texans in every aspect of what his position is.

1485
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 2: He was good against the run, he's a good pass rusher.

1486
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 2: He hit the ground running looking like the guy from

1487
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 2: the start. And for me, I thought Jalen Carter and

1488
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 2: the whole Eagles experience probably tinge my thinking there a

1489
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:53,640
Speaker 2: little bit.

1490
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: But I think the Houston Texans best draft class around.

1491
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 6: If there was a more cohesive and consistent defensive not

1492
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 6: just planned but effort from Philadelphia might have changed things.

1493
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 6: But to watch Will Anderson playing hurt towards the end

1494
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 6: of the year and like still impact the games, whereas

1495
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 6: the Eagles defenses.

1496
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see. I was the only one that gave

1497
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: Carter first place vote because I was kind of looking

1498
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:19,679
Speaker 1: at some of the production and then the analytics.

1499
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 4: And his past fresh win rate and everything like that.

1500
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 1: His ranking is not amongst rookies. He is already one

1501
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 1: of the very best defensive tackles in the league in

1502
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: terms of all the generating pressure and just being a

1503
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 1: cog in the middle of that defense. He's already a star.

1504
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: And I think I didn't want to penalize him because

1505
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: the rest of the defense has completely fallen off of.

1506
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought those three players and I would put

1507
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 3: Kobe Turner in there were so close that I actually,

1508
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 3: you know, I put some I tried to figure out

1509
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 3: there is almost nothing separating these three guys. You could

1510
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 3: make different arguments. I think for all of them. I

1511
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 3: think I voted Kobe Turner first. The producers didn't give

1512
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 3: me in a fifth place vote. Once again, I just

1513
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 3: wonder about handing them this much.

1514
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 1: Oh that's why he was.

1515
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 4: I mean, I didn't know.

1516
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 3: I even Pace gets third place and we we can't

1517
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 3: get Kobe Turner. And uh, Kobe Turner plays interior defensive line,

1518
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 3: so he only had eight or nine less pressures than

1519
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 3: Will Anderson. He was in the top ten of all

1520
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 3: defensive tackles in terms of interior pressures. Now, Jalen Carter

1521
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 3: actually was like slightly ahead of him even too, And

1522
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 3: I thought, okay, is Aaron Donald setting him up? And

1523
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 3: then you think, like, has Aaron Donald ever have a

1524
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 3: defensive tackle literally, have any stats next to him? No,

1525
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 3: So that didn't seem like it's a really strong argument.

1526
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 3: There wasn't much separating all these guys. They all were

1527
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:45,560
Speaker 3: very good in terms of their past rush win we

1528
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 3: Will Anderson was probably the best run stopper.

1529
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 4: But I gave it to.

1530
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 3: Turner, give him a little extra love. Clayon didn't give

1531
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 3: him anything either. Yeah, Yahdabi gets a fourth Why.

1532
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 4: I thought, No, I like that one.

1533
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: I like that. That's fine. That Yeah, Yeah, disappointed Greg Yeah,

1534
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 1: it's Jevin Witherspoon that Greg hates. No.

1535
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 4: I put him fifth.

1536
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 1: He came, well, it's Brian Branch.

1537
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 4: I put Branch okay, So then leave me alone.

1538
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: All right. Finally we gotta let's bring this thing in

1539
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 1: for a landing. The Coach of the Year. It's the

1540
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:27,799
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year. Very competitive this season. Demiko Demiko

1541
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: Ryans wins it surprising do we have the voting grid

1542
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 1: on that one? With sixty eight votes? Stefanski, who is

1543
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 1: my first place pick, comes in a kind of a

1544
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: deep second. Only you and I voted Stefanski first, and

1545
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,679
Speaker 1: then Kyle Shanahan gets twelve points, Shane Steike in eleven,

1546
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell's seven. That's the top five. Okay, Clay Bound,

1547
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 1: who did you have first? I had Tomko first?

1548
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 6: Tell us and we don't have to go back too

1549
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 6: far where there's like a Prosperity Gospels slash comedian guy

1550
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 6: like surreptitiously recording meetings in Houston. They fire back to

1551
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 6: back coaches. There's all sorts of stuff happening, and then

1552
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 6: Demiko comes in. They have a candidate for Offensive Rookie

1553
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 6: of the Year, Defensive Rookie of the year, they're in

1554
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 6: the playoffs in a division that we did not think

1555
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 6: the Texans would win.

1556
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 1: I think considering all of that, Dimiko was the coach

1557
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 1: of the Year.

1558
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 2: I really struggle with this one because it's my second one.

1559
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 2: I think he fits, he checks every box. I think

1560
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 2: the thing about Stefanski that outweighed everything else for me

1561
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 2: was if you knew any team going into the year

1562
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 2: would have five quarterbacks. It's an obvious argument, but like,

1563
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 2: to survive all that and like, really have bad quarterback

1564
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 2: play through eighty five percent of the season and stay

1565
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 2: afloat that's good coaching. Like, and I think that he

1566
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 2: also is someone his demeanor after so many years of

1567
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 2: wreckage in Cleveland, Like he's just got this calm, cool

1568
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 2: demeanor and he's now won it twice and he's been

1569
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 2: the same guy the entire time.

1570
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 4: Well, we'll see if he wins. This makes me think

1571
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 4: maybe Tamiko ryans.

1572
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 1: Well, if he's wanted here, it's a dope. Yeah. Uh,

1573
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 1: that was why we went over over unders the other

1574
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: day there. The Watson thing was so overpowering that I

1575
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 1: thought that got in the way of like looking at

1576
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 1: the roster and that there was talent on both sides

1577
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: of the ball, and they got the coaching. The defensive

1578
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,679
Speaker 1: coordinator was looked like an upgrade, and but what ended

1579
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 1: up happening was you lose Watson even even though he

1580
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: wasn't playing at a high level. You lose Chubb and

1581
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 1: for them to somehow not only the offensive line, the line,

1582
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 1: you know, for them not only to survive. It's it's

1583
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 1: not like they snuck into the playoff at nine and eight.

1584
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,600
Speaker 1: They had eleven wins going into the last week of

1585
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,600
Speaker 1: the season and then rested their starters. And I just

1586
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: think Stefanski deserves so much credit for that. And you know,

1587
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 1: with the Flacco magic, like Flacco deserves obviously the most credit,

1588
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: but Flacco was for the Jets and anyone else the

1589
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: last five years a very hit or miss proposition, usually

1590
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: a miss. And now he's playing like an All Pro

1591
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 1: and Stefanski is an offensive dude, and I just I

1592
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: think he does. I think this is his award. I'd

1593
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: be very surprised if Demiko actually gets it.

1594
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 3: I think Tomiko has a chance just because you know,

1595
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 3: they won six games in the last two years and

1596
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 3: that's that's a big deal. Yeah, And I think it

1597
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 3: goes into what a what are you rewarding for the

1598
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 3: whole job of coaching. I think Stefanski did that exceptionally

1599
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 3: as well, because you're not judging him on his offensive

1600
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,560
Speaker 3: production that was that's one little ding against him. Is

1601
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 3: as well as he's done making them competitive, especially late

1602
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 3: in the season. They have your twenty seven to twenty

1603
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 3: eighth and like Epaver playing, he's an offensive coach, but

1604
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,679
Speaker 3: he was good at hiring Jim Schwartz and getting everything together.

1605
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 3: But I think Demiko Ryan's there is something that's that

1606
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 3: you can't even calculate. And I think Kyle Shanahan that's

1607
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 3: why I had him so high too. I think I

1608
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 3: had him second or third, and I can't remember who

1609
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 3: I had between Stefanski ands Shanahan.

1610
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 4: But uh, like the everything that.

1611
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 3: Goes into it, not just calling the play, is hiring

1612
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 3: the coaches, like helping to bring in the players. Everything

1613
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 3: in Ryan's changed that culture, but Stefanski has to, and

1614
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 3: so the either one would beget Yeah.

1615
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 6: I feel like this award has been relative to the

1616
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 6: expectations for a very long time.

1617
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 3: Mike Smith won it multiple times. Come on, It's like

1618
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 3: the expectations were low because Mike Smith was the coach.

1619
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 1: And Tinnis Allen's gonna win next year. Baby, all right,

1620
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: good stuff, those are our awards. You'll get the actual well,

1621
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 1: these are the actual awards in my mind, but the

1622
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 1: ones that are seeing as gospel you have to wait

1623
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: till NFL honors a few days before the Super Bowl.

1624
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 1: We're gonna be back on Thursday with the preview of

1625
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: Super wild Card weekend. I think it's gonna be one

1626
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:46,679
Speaker 1: of the most competitive and compelling ones ever. So thank

1627
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 1: you for listening so far this week and more to come.

1628
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 1: And Patrick, you've said it all. Anything to add, Yes,

1629
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 1: if the Saints started Jamis Winston next year and he

1630
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 1: lost every single game and had one tie, he and

1631
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: Dennis Allen would have the same win loss record percentage wise.

1632
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 1: So there it is. Okay, that's good.

1633
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 4: That's a fact.

1634
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: Wind, that's a fact. Jack, all Right, till Thursday. Heed

1635
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 1: the call.