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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that we don't participate in that way anymore.

429
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Speaker 1: But Devide, you know this better than me. That's not

430
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: only where our power lies, right And in order for

431
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: me to help people to access their power, I have

432
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: to be comfortable with mine, you know. And I can't

433
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: do that broken. I can't do that in denial. I

434
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: can't do that out of purpose, out of sync, right,

435
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 1: I can't do that going off on people on air

436
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: when that's not even the way that my gift is

437
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: supposed to be used, right, And so in order for

438
00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: me to um be a soul and leader or be

439
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: a heel leader, I have to know clearly who I

440
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: am and where I'm going. Doesn't mean I won't ever

441
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: have blind spots. I got folks like you did, even

442
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: when I can't see something like, hey, since you missed

443
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: the spot right here, thank god. But like, we can't

444
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: deepen into that work and really live out that work

445
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: if we don't have folks around us who are you know,

446
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: soul family and can help guide us down that path.

447
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: But it's to me, is so much bigger than a

448
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: political mission. It is about how to ensure that our

449
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: culture are folks are more powerful than they've ever been.

450
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: And that means taking a look at the whole picture

451
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: holistically what has to shift, and that means I gotta

452
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: figure that out for me too. Okay, So I have

453
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: two places I want to go, um, because you just

454
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: touched on something that was really powerful that I had

455
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: never heard before. Before I get to that piece, Um,

456
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: I just want to call out two pieces of language

457
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: I would like to be reframed. This idea of I've

458
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: heard you use that word before, and I want to

459
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: really challenge it with you, because there is nothing about

460
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: you that is deficient, and it's like you are so

461
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: powerful and and you hold such a high level of

462
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: a mirror and accountability to the world that I think

463
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: sometimes you're a little too harsh with yourself in the

464
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: way that you see things, Because my sister, you are

465
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: not deficient in a thing, you know, so even that

466
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: even that's just like a tiny little, a tiny little

467
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: area to soften, because there are some things that were

468
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: in progress with at at varying levels from others. But

469
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: we are We're all whole, and you do so so

470
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: many things so powerfully right for yourself. So I just

471
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: want to challenge that word as a way to describe it,

472
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: and the word um blind spot because you are not

473
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: blind to anything. You may be called to focus on

474
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: other facets of growth or healing at different times because

475
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: we can't do it all at once, UM, but you

476
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: have you have great grand vision. So I just want

477
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: to say that, UM, now you know I can see

478
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: this with frey might be Now if I take these

479
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: contacts out, you might not you might girl blind, you

480
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: will be blurry chat. So there's definitely blind Well, there's

481
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: spots that we don't acknowledge yet because the lesson isn't complete,

482
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: you know, the piece of it that we needed for

483
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: our shifting isn't always completed. I don't think you're blind

484
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: to anything, but you're here, you tell me. I think no.

485
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: I love that. Yes, I'm just challenging the language that

486
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: we'll talk to ourselves with, because I do think that's important. Okay,

487
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: give me a word. So for blind spot in the

488
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: way that you use that word, I would say, um,

489
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: you know, maybe an area you're still in discovery with

490
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: because they're like when I think when I think of

491
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: our conversations, even the things that sometimes you be like,

492
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: oh girl, that was a blind spot for me, thank

493
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: you for showing me that the deeper truth is it

494
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: wasn't your wise. This hell like you're very, very wise,

495
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,239
Speaker 1: and it was something that you already maybe saw or

496
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: touched on. There was just opportunity to fill in some

497
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: of the blanks. I I think that you are an

498
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 1: incredible book. I think it's hard, seriously serious, DEVI because

499
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: like whatever it is with we don't want to say deficiency,

500
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: we may not want to say weakness. We may not

501
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: want to say blind spot, but like first to have

502
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: somebody and not to me maybe this is my crazy

503
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: love language, but to me, it's like to have somebody

504
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: that will be that like radically honest with you is

505
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: the greatest love. They care enough about you to see

506
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: your growth. So whatever we call it a blind spot

507
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: or a point of what did you call it a

508
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: point of growth potential? I think blind spotter is okay,

509
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: But deficiency I've really challenged, you know, because I think, okay,

510
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,479
Speaker 1: I think I think we can vary anything like I

511
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: just don't know it yet. But it doesn't have to

512
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: be a less than laughing. And that's not this is

513
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: not just this is all of us, especially as women,

514
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: and so I'm just I'm offering that I think for

515
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: all of us, of like and the ways that we

516
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: speak to ourselves, does it have to be that something

517
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: is wrong or could it just be it's been an

518
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: unknown until this moment? You know? I love that? Okay,

519
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: So Devy, y'all Devvy will point out my unknowns in

520
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: remarkable loving ways. How about that? I love you, Okay.

521
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: I think there's something there's something else that you said

522
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: that really struck me. Angela and I never heard anybody

523
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: speak to it yet. You talked about the personal grief

524
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: of experiencing, um, that Trump election cycle and that four

525
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: years that like, I literally have chills right now because

526
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: I have not heard anybody speak to that, and it

527
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: needs to get spoken to, especially, you know, for for

528
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: people like you who have given so much and in

529
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: that space specifically of justice and the political realm, to

530
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: be so studied, to have put down such a tremendous

531
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: foundation for so long, and then you have something like

532
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: this that turns it on ahead where it's like, how

533
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: is this possible? This goes against everything that I've worked

534
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: for and fought for and believed. So can you kind

535
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: of deepen in that for a second, um that that's

536
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: so profound to me? I hope I can do this

537
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: without crying or cousin. I'm a custom Christian. I'd be

538
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: telling these people before. Let me tell you I can.

539
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: I remember when I got home. First of all, you're

540
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: talking about not having blind spots. I was completely unaware

541
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: that this was possibly complete. Like when I sell you

542
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: to me, I was going on air like cocky, like

543
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: of course, like like cocky, like full on, like I

544
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: can't believe I'm even having to waste my time with

545
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: you people like you were completely ignorant. What are you

546
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: talking like? Completely in judgment, annoyed, condescension. I was so

547
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: cocky about it, and part of my cockiness was a

548
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: deep resentment for everything that man represented. He didn't start

549
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: like the racism nonsense around the election. He started it

550
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: as the chief spokesperson for the birth movement against Barack Obama. Right.

551
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: So for me, I'm just like, this country's evolved. Like,

552
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: I know, we still have racism ensure it's not tried

553
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: but post racial, like they said about Barackboa, but we've

554
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: evolved enough we wouldn't do this lo and behold, we

555
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: did this or they did this. So I got home

556
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: the night of the election, face plant on my floor

557
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: and sobbed like somebody died because a part of me,

558
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: a part of me did and out like a continuing

559
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: betrayal of the ancestors and like and in a continuing

560
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: betrayal of for future generations, because I knew that the

561
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: impact of his election was not going to end in

562
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: four years. Right. And the thing that I think is

563
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: a positive about it is one I definitely needed to

564
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: be knocked down a peg because it were like my

565
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: I was so arrogant about it um and then I

566
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: really deepened into anger. That resentment turned into even deeper resentment.

567
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: On air, I would get so frustrated I was paired

568
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: with people who didn't have to have the same qualifications

569
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: as me, And so the microaggressions that so many of

570
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: our brothers and sisters talk about it work right your experience,

571
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: you're watching it happen on air, and so people would say, like,

572
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: you speak for me, And it's because I could say

573
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: the thing on air that they couldn't say at work

574
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: when somebody came at them sideways. But Debbie, over time,

575
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: that's toxic. So my dad, who many of my friends

576
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: called popa Ride Paper Ride, would call after a segment

577
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: and he would know that it broke me, and I

578
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: would just sob like, I can't believe I'm having to

579
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: do this. I can't believe this is where I was

580
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: in deep denial about where we were, and so it

581
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: meant a lot to me that people would say you

582
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: speak for me, But man, I wanted to say something

583
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: that felt a whole lot better than what I had

584
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: to argue about every time I was on air, and

585
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: I think over time, I just really I started to

586
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: resent that, like, this doesn't feel like a proactive strategy

587
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: for us to deepen into our power. It feels like

588
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: I'm on my heels just swinging to fight that just

589
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: to keep us afloat. And it just was draining, and

590
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: I got to the point where I was like, No,

591
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: this isn't healthy. You know, this isn't healthy. This isn't

592
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: how we're going to move the culture forward. This isn't

593
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: And I'm again, I'm not trying to take away from

594
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: anybody who say it I'm your voice or I'm speaking

595
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: for the culture. I like, I'm grateful, but I also

596
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: know the culture has so much more to say. We have.

597
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: I mean, we literally built this country on our backs.

598
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: We have a whole lot more to say. And to

599
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: be on the other side of this now, on the

600
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: other side of the election, we got a lot more

601
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: to say about this administration. This administration told us that

602
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: they were going to be much better for us, right that, UM,

603
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: that we wouldn't have to worry about these bigoted, xenophobic

604
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: immigration policies, that um, justice and policing would become a

605
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: real thing, because um, nine minutes plus it's too long

606
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: for a police officer to have their knee on somebody's neck.

607
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: You know, that we would be able to to vote freely,

608
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 1: like John Lewis literally was beaten and bloodied for people

609
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: died for this right to vote. And here we are

610
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: on the other side of this election and none of

611
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: those things are true. I just summarily reject that. And

612
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: so my issue isn't with party. And know this isn't

613
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: a is to become Republican. I'm still very much a progressive.

614
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: But my pitch is, isn't it time for us to

615
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: end this racism? Like, isn't it time for us to

616
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: completely get rid of the things that hold people back,

617
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: especially the people who built this country. And so that's

618
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: where I am now. I'm just like, what is righteous?

619
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: What is what is moral? What is you know, from

620
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: a human decency standpoint, what is decent? That's the only

621
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: conversation I want to have. How do we move that forward?

622
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: And so to me, Devy, that is the bridge between

623
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: a wellness journey, you know, building character and deepening into

624
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: your gifts and our politics and our culture and our history.

625
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: You know, like we have people fighting about teaching real

626
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 1: history in school. You guys got to live for years

627
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: and history books. It's time out for that. Like we

628
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: have come into a full wrecking, coming into the full

629
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: knowledge of the truth. We can't do anything but stay

630
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: right here and deepen into it. We're not going back.

631
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: We're exactly what exactly right dropping too and you know

632
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: what comes for for me, Angela, it's like and maybe

633
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: it's just gonna take time, you know, It's like a

634
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: few shifts happen, a few paradigms change, you know, for us,

635
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: and then sometimes it takes us a few decades, I

636
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: guess to catch up with That's how I feel in

637
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: terms of right now the country being well and us understanding.

638
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: You know, mental health is having its moment in the sun.

639
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: In this moment, that specific term is on everyone's myth

640
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: mental health. Mental health. Oh, I'm an advocate for mentalth.

641
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: I believe in mental health. We have to study what

642
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: the hell is happening and has happened in all of

643
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: our collective psyche and in this country. And I feel like,

644
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: you know, and it's it takes so freaking it FeAs

645
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: it feels like it's taking so long. When we think

646
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: about the inception of the field of psychology or holistic studies.

647
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: But it's like, the thing that really struck me during

648
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: the whole last several years is like, how are we

649
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: not calling out the fact that this person in office

650
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: very clearly has mental disorders, very clearly, And then it

651
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: turns into this, oh, we don't go around diagnosing. Okay,

652
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: let's study it. Let's get the top psychologist, therapist, somatic therapist,

653
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: cognitive therapists in the field to really look at the

654
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: course of this person's life, at the decisions and choices made,

655
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: at the thing said, at the very clear manipulations and lies.

656
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: And to this day it strikes me that we haven't

657
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: been calling that out. It's a clear dis play of

658
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: someone who is disordered. Now in you know, in my

659
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: understanding and my personal studies, obviously I can't make a diagnosis,

660
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: but this is a whole sociopath. This is a whole

661
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: high level on the spectrum narcissist, you know, and we

662
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: need to be studying how one becomes that. Right, Like,

663
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: if we look back at some of the things that

664
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: have to do with Trump's background in his childhood, it's like, Okay,

665
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: he had a father that clearly looked very disordered and

666
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: mentally and emotionally and abusive. So at what point did

667
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: that change him? At what point did that turn him

668
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: into someone that is apathetic and has the inability to

669
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: care and the inability to see truth in any way?

670
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: And then how has that affected his main following, Because

671
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: it's very clear that there is something on a psychological

672
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: level that is happening or not happening with the people

673
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: that cut for him, And I just don't understand, Like

674
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm tired of staying on the surface of everybody misusing language.

675
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, mental health, Oh wellness, wellness, Okay, to be well,

676
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: we have to change. To be well, we have to

677
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: step forward and speak truth and dive into and excavate

678
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: and get in the damn crevices, you know, and disrupted

679
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: and heal it. And so I feel like mental health

680
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: is getting weaponized. I feel like wellness gets weaponized. I

681
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: feel like so many people UM takeover language and it

682
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 1: becomes used as a tool for spiritual bypass, an emotional bypass.

683
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's what I really took away

684
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: from one of the biggest things we needed to notice

685
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 1: about this this UM last several crazy years in politics. See,

686
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: and the thing too to me, is I started getting

687
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: upset with people just escape voting Downald Trump, right, like

688
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: talking about his mental health and him being a socio,

689
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: which I agree with, Like again, clearly right, like you

690
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: didn't need any more signs and not to joke about it.

691
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: But like Harry Reid, Um the foreigner, former Senate majority

692
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: leader said, and it's so right. He said, Donald Trump

693
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: is the Republican Party's Frankie style, right. And the reason

694
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: why he could say that is because Debbie, there were

695
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: a bunch of enables, not all the primary voters, right

696
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: with the whole point you were just making around. Oh,

697
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: but he's resonating with some folks, Now why is that?

698
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: And still, even if it's not um the sociopath behavior

699
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: on the Democratic side of the aisle, wouldn't you said

700
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: it starts to develop a hierarchy for humanity where you

701
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: say it's okay for me to take advantage of this

702
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: group of people, it's okay for me to marginalize this

703
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: group of people. It's okay for me to leave you

704
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: forgotten and voiceless over here, But these folks over here,

705
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: we gotta look out for it. Whatever that is in

706
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: our psyche and our collective psyching or collective consciousness that

707
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: has to change. It's not just yeah, it's not just

708
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: the individual diagnoses. It's it's also on a macro level.

709
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: What needs to shift these systems of oppression that have

710
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: been here for so long that people are now so

711
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: comfortable with they will start an insurrection on January six

712
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: at the nation's capital. What has to shift for that?

713
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: What about the way you define power has to change

714
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: so you know that abuse of power is not acceptable.

715
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: It never was. And that's what I mean, like, we

716
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: need to be studying the whole look at the gas

717
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: lighting of America, especially because we are, in comparison such

718
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: a new country. You know, we're the leading in the world.

719
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: But seventeen seventy six is when we started populating over here.

720
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: And the way that we did um and we brought

721
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: you know, we quote unquote created a government system rooted

722
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: inequality and from the very words of our constitution mirrored

723
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: against what was actually happening. That is the definition of

724
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: gas lighting. We were denying reality as a country. We

725
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: were saying something, writing something, asking people to memorize and

726
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: declare something that was not actually true or happening. And

727
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: it's like that fundamental um, that fundamental mistruth is what

728
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: everything this society that we've created here is built upon.

729
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: Our consumerism is built upon, our advertising is built upon.

730
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: And so it's like, at what point do we really

731
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: look at the mechanics of that to create systems of change?

732
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: You know, And there's so many layers of things that

733
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: have to be excavated, cleaned, cleared, um looked at and created.

734
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: But I think at a fundamental level, it really starts

735
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: with the way in which we have really messed up

736
00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: the human psyche in America. And we can't you know,

737
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: in my kind of generalized way of saying or talking

738
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: about it in this moment, it's just we can't be well,

739
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: we can't make the significant sweeping changes that have to

740
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,959
Speaker 1: be made to honor our individual humanity until we really

741
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: look at the mechanics of our foundation and how that

742
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: informed the ways that we look at ourselves, feel about ourselves,

743
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: treat ourselves, especially in this country. Yeah, that's the thing, Dabby.

744
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: It's like when you talk about the foundational work, and

745
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: I think, going back to what you were, you know,

746
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: saying to me on my own journey, I think that's

747
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: really what's behind the men, like, I'm not gonna go

748
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: around just pointing out all of the shortcomings of this country.

749
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: Are the people who continue to implement those abuses? What

750
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: do I need to change too? Because I don't want

751
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: to be even an accidental perpetrator of that, right, Like

752
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: I don't want to participate in that, Like, how can

753
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: I be in the highest level of integrity across the

754
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: board in my own systems that I create in my business,

755
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 1: in my relationships with myself? And I'm not saying, oh,

756
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: I need to do this personal work and then American

757
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: can figure out. No, we can operate on two tracks.

758
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: But I also want to make sure that I'm seeing

759
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: it as clearly as possible that I can, you know,

760
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: approach this with compassion, with empathy for the people who

761
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: are on the other side of the abuses, especially for

762
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 1: the other folks. I just want to tell them the truth.

763
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: I'll try to do that more tenderly in love. But

764
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: it's really hard. Four hundred past years later, but it's tough.

765
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: It's tough, and you and you hear those conversations so

766
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: often where people are like, well, I didn't own slaves,

767
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: and it's like no, but you're the benefactor of folks

768
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: he did. You're the beneficiary of folks dead, and so

769
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: can you at least own that responsibility, you know, And

770
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: that's why I'm saying, like even in the smallest, the

771
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: micro you know, level examples of that, Like for myself,

772
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: when I've done something wrong and even if I didn't

773
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: think it was that bad, can I own my own wrong?

774
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: It's the same thing, you know, Like we have to

775
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: um model the behavior that we want to see, and

776
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: I think that's that gets us closer to where we

777
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: want to be. Thank God for the folks that were

778
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: the allies out here or the accomplices they say allies

779
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: not as stronger word these days. For the accompliceses who

780
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: will do that work and will challenge their friends and

781
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: family members to do that same work. It's imperative. They

782
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: can't shift without them. Literally, Yeah, what a time to

783
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: be alive, What a time to be alive? I think

784
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: in so many ways, like it's I find it to

785
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: be exhausting but exciting, you know. It's like, think of

786
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: all the generations that of people, and it was probably

787
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: fewer amounts that were noticing things like this, but there

788
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: was no way to speak it. There was no way

789
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: to actually make personalized choices that created different ways of being.

790
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: And it's like, even on even on some of the

791
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: harder days being here on earth, and this crazy, crazy

792
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: experiment that's happening, that that gets me through that that

793
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: really allows me to feel excited about the work. What

794
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 1: are you excited about right now? Oh, I'm excited about growth.

795
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: I'm also tired. I feel like I feel like life

796
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: is coming at me fast on every side. But I'm like, Okay,

797
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: clearly we're supposed to be in this UM right now.

798
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: I've been describing this season as UM being in the

799
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: like a hot desert with the sun beating down on you,

800
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: and you're like, where can I just go hide in

801
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: some shade real quick? And there's no place to go.

802
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: So I'm excited about UM the journey and what's on

803
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: the other side of it because I know that I'm

804
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: going through it without very um, very many grace pockets

805
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: for are a reason, like I need to learn in this,

806
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, in this haze up environment for whatever reason.

807
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: I am also UM, I'm so excited for my godson

808
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: who graduates this year or this UHO and will be

809
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: UM going to college. I'm excited for his potential, Um,

810
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: for all these young people who are doing dope and

811
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: incredible things. Um, what else. I'm excited about this book,

812
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: the journey for the book, I'm excited about that. Um,

813
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for this book too. I'm so excited

814
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 1: for I know you're yeah, just knowing, you know, knowing

815
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: some of the ways in which your mind works and

816
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: your heart works. I just know that this book it's

817
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: just gonna bless people. It's gonna free people. M hmm,

818
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: thank you sis. Yeah, I'm excited about that. And I

819
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: just feel like, Um, this season for me is really

820
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: about Um, it's a cracking opening. You know, there have

821
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: been a lot of places where you know, things broke off,

822
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: broke up, broke down, But I know now like those

823
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: pieces they shattered off me because there's something new. It's

824
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: like snake skin. It's like really knowing, like there's an

825
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: unfolding happening and it's so dope. And so when I'm

826
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: when I'm not afraid of like, Okay, I don't know

827
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: what's happening, I don't know where we're going. I'm like,

828
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: but I can take comfort in knowing I'm so much

829
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: better than when I began this journey, um, and that's

830
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: exciting too, like for once, like okay, I have the

831
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: faith to know it's going to be so much better.

832
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: And that is exciting because I know I can't see it.

833
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: I blind, not a DeFi because me so hard. It

834
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: is like the funniest I don't think I've ever had

835
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 1: a friendship quite like this. Yeah, you trolled me so hard.

836
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: It's so funny, and you do it. You try to

837
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: like sprinkle it in and like the sweetest little voice,

838
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: like right before we hop off the phone, you'd like, okay, girl, okay,

839
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: so this all right? Hold time. Know that I can't

840
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: be a bigger troll than our dear brother. So she

841
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: does have another troll. There's two of us. I know

842
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: Lord helped me. She didn't see him right now. And

843
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: then Angela be trying to make me think that I'm trolling.

844
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: It's like I feel like I'm being gas lit by

845
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: you too. You don't that was a troll momentous shout

846
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 1: me a gaslighter. No never never never never, but yeah,

847
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: but no, I'm And then I'm loving these nineties vibes.

848
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: That's another thing I'm excited about. These nineties vibes. I

849
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: hope David breaks out all the nineties fives. This is

850
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: a whole Yeah. I don't know if everyone sees me.

851
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're doing this on video. We

852
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: might have a clip. But I got my little thank

853
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: yous vibe. They have somebody come get Angela. How So

854
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: in case you are miss I just said I don't

855
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: live in boxes. So I like fashion. I like candles.

856
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: I like this store that Debby hit me too, called

857
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: Shaman's Market. I like to eat. We both like. We

858
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: like to laugh, we like to dance. I love Debbie's playlists.

859
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: So I'm you really are You're so You're such an

860
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: interesting person. Um. You have so many you have so many,

861
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: so many beautiful facets of you, you know, and I

862
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: think especially like your house is such a great representation

863
00:51:54,920 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: of that. Um. It's such like the perfect eat. Just

864
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: get it. The second you walk into your house. You like,

865
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm in Angela's psyche right now, I am inside of

866
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: Angela right now. I get it. Okay, before we get

867
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: out of here, UM, I'd like to ask I'd like

868
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: to ask Angela if you have any soul work, um

869
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: that you could share with the collective. Right now, and

870
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: so you know, maybe that's something that you are personally savoring,

871
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: um a point or a piece of self inquiry that

872
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: could be journal too later, just thought about later. And

873
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: I'd also love to know three things that you really

874
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: enjoy that help you recharge yourself um or help you

875
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:52,479
Speaker 1: connect to you when you're in your process. That's good. Okay,

876
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the three things first because I feel

877
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: like that's easier. Um. So Debby y'all has hipped me

878
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: to this idea of a salt bath with all of

879
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: the songs, right y'all, like all of the salt like

880
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: bags on bags on bags. Now, what deVie doesn't know

881
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: is that I refused to do three bags and have

882
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: some salt and I'm just doing one. But that's like

883
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: three bags before I did at that time. But now

884
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: see now I lose a draw off. But anyway I did,

885
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: I did, I followed this stretch. It's the first time.

886
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: But now I just do one whole bag. And I

887
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: told Nausea to do this and she was like, you

888
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: do a whole bag. This is like t Dallas And

889
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: I was like, no, it's not said. I'm gonna tell

890
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: you like dev told me, are you worth it? And

891
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm gonna put the whole bag in

892
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: and listening. So I definitely loving these baths. I was

893
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: gonna say, it's cheaper on Amazon. I ordered the Amazon brand.

894
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: Have some salts, girl, if they're not sponsoring this podcast,

895
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: but I want, I want everyone to have it. If

896
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: you go into the store and you get the Doctor

897
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: Teals which Amazon, which is great, it's but it is

898
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: like fifteen dollars, and I go on Amazon and I

899
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: get a bag with the same amount and it's like

900
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: five dollars um. So you know, I like, I like Amazon,

901
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: this podcast, not just these trips tomorrow. She didn't give

902
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: you three shoutouts, and I tried to start. I'm sorry,

903
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: I just really I want everyone to know how to

904
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: get the things and how to get them on the low,

905
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: so that it doesn't have to be a once a

906
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: week thing or once a month thing, like could you

907
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: do this three nights a week if you needed it?

908
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: She could say this every podcast. If Amazon spins what

909
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: I'm saying, she would say this. I would also like

910
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: to go to space at some point, so I'll throw

911
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: that out there too. Okay, So so that okay, I

912
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: was not number one. I got two more more so

913
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: the other things, the other things that um, I love.

914
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: You may not remember this, but you told me you

915
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: might remember this one that long ago. But you told

916
00:54:55,160 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: me to do a playlist for my sixth green um,

917
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: so that I could and eat some of the sixth

918
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: grade food, so that I can remember some of the

919
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: positive things and not just the negative trauma aspects of

920
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: sixth grade. I love that playlist because it's two and

921
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: it is epic. And I also have started um for

922
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: my book, which is on freedom, like a playlist for that,

923
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: and it's just like now and again, y'all don't understand,

924
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: like y'all need to have Debbie do a playlist thing

925
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: because she's very good at this. But the playlists, the

926
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: playlists are a game changer. And it also has taught

927
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: me that our holiness and those the most sacred moments

928
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: can also have some ratchet in it. And in case

929
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: you missed it, I am Sophista, Holy rat It was

930
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: what about Sophista divine? That is so you, that is

931
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: so you know, that's our whole friendship, that's our whole friendship.

932
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: What do you mean it's our whole friendship? Okay, what's

933
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: my third one? My third one is while you're thinking

934
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: of three, I want to let everyone know that the

935
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: piece about the playlist, especially as a relates to our

936
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: inner child. I have an Inner Child episode that I

937
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: dive more into that so that future interest look up

938
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: the Inner Child episode. I'm watching that today or listening

939
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: to that today. Um, I'm listening to that today. So

940
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: my third one, So, I was writing in Mara brock

941
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: a Kills space. He had me as an artist in

942
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: residence for the last two months to write the book,

943
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: and Mara was like, when you write right in flowy clothes.

944
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: So I got all this stuff from I'm not gonna

945
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: say where because they need to sponsor the peacast, but

946
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: I got all this stuff from a place that should

947
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: not be named that it's not the one that Debby

948
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: kept saying someplace else. And I got all these like

949
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: flow I'm gonna jump suit hers like fanatic, So jump

950
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: through all these flowy pieces and it really does help.

951
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: I do think that races where you right and you

952
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: need to be supported, because I also love some stretch bands,

953
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: and in those moments where you need to be supported

954
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: and held, that's probably when you put on, you know,

955
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,240
Speaker 1: like stuff that will hold you a little more tightly,

956
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: but the flowy thing, the stuff comes. So Mara, I

957
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: love you for that. Shout out to you for that one. Um.

958
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: Now the other question was what am I learning that

959
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: I need to journal about? Or no, what what is

960
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: maybe a thought that came to you that could be

961
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: useful um for anyone listening to think about later. UM.

962
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: So I've really been UM kind of chewing on this

963
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: quite a bit. I did it, Um, I g live

964
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: on it. But it is how we live in the

965
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: gray matter. We really truly exist in the gray matter.

966
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: But so often, sometimes on ourselves, but especially with other people,

967
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: we love to put people in a black and white

968
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: box like, oh, well you did this and this because

969
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: of that. But when it comes to ourselves, it's like,

970
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: well that happened because such and should we give ourselves

971
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: is the grace of the reason. But with other people

972
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: there's no grace for the reason. It's just like this

973
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: is black, I can't believe you did that. You're terrible

974
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: human being whatever it is. And really the truth of

975
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: the matter is, um, we're human and UM not God.

976
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: Because we have shortcomings, because we have thorns in the flesh,

977
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: because we have temptations, because we have um trauma, because

978
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: of all the things we experience that make us the

979
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: humans who we are. That is what causes us to

980
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: live in the gray matter. Those are the things that

981
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: keep us humble, but they're there to keep us humble,

982
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: so we'll be gracious to our neighbors. And so that's

983
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: one of the things I'm really um noodling on and

984
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: want to dig deeper into because I think there's a

985
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: real blessing there. I'm someone who deals, you know, I'm

986
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: I can be judgment on because I had the gift

987
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: of discernment. I can be hypercritical because of that same gift.

988
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: What happens if I deepen and to the grace around that?

989
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: How much more discerning, intuitive, you know, and gracious would

990
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: I be if I stayed right there? Was like, well,

991
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: we live in the gray. It may not be that

992
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: cut and dry. And as much as I would prefer

993
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: that control, it's not mine they have. So that's what

994
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: I would get now, a master less than on grace.

995
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: We could all use a little more of it right

996
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: for ourselves and in the way that we connect to others.

997
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: It's rocking, it's funny because that even brings me back

998
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: to how we started the show, with the way that

999
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: people were reacting to things that were said, you know,

1000
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: and it's like, I think that was my overwhelming Um.

1001
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: You know, I don't really look at comments and I

1002
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: don't really open my d m s because it's just

1003
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: a lot of energy, even the really good stuff. It's

1004
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: kind of like, Okay, this is a lot you know,

1005
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: I still got to be in my life. Um. But yeah,

1006
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: it's even you know, even for I think about that

1007
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: sometimes as it relates to even the people that say

1008
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: unkind things to people online. You know, it's like, but

1009
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: if that's the only place that you feel you can

1010
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: be hard or expressed, or if that's your only way

1011
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: to release the inner chaos that you feel inside every day,

1012
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: and you think that that's actually giving you a release,

1013
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: Like I get it. I understand it, you know. And

1014
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: it's like it's not okay, and it's not quote unquote

1015
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: good whatever, you know, those polarities are. But I do understand,

1016
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, um, which is why I think sovereignty is

1017
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: so important. Like being self sovereign, which is what was

1018
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: displayed in that clip, as opposed to you know, an

1019
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: idea of selfishness. It's like, we all have the right

1020
01:00:56,200 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: to act and be however we wish, um, but can

1021
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: we do it with a little more grace? Can we

1022
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: do it with more grace for ourselves and our needs?

1023
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: Can I still be in grace even if I see

1024
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: you trying to maybe get me out of it. Yeah, yeah,

1025
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: that's exactly it. And you know, Debby, to the point,

1026
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: even going back to boundaries, you're someone who I hope

1027
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: to emulate when communicating my boundaries. I didn't realize that

1028
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: I struggled with um setting boundaries. Like you know again

1029
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: that like that murdered him. That really is pervasive, I think,

1030
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: especially all my audi and what really used color? Right?

1031
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: But like, how can I take up this space for myself,

1032
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, and without apology and still don't have to

1033
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: be rude? Just clear again, No I can't do that,

1034
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: just clear, no energy behind it, Just like no, I

1035
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: can't do that today. Like every time you tell me

1036
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: no where you can about something, I'm like, she got

1037
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: to do that. I'm cool, Like I'm cool. There's other

1038
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: friends of that. What do you mean? But I've never

1039
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: felt like that. It's like so like it's not a

1040
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: punitive boundary. It's that's such a beautiful way to say it. Yeah,

1041
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not about punishing and it's not about withholding.

1042
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's what we're trained to believe when

1043
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: someone says no, that it's a it's a power pool,

1044
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: or it's a withholding, or it's an eventsiness, and it's like,

1045
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: but if we don't know the inner workings of everyone's life, like,

1046
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: we can't assume that, you know, we don't understand the

1047
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: polls that people have. And sometimes it's just, hey, it's

1048
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: just no, because we deserve that too. Without reason, it

1049
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,479
Speaker 1: can just be no for a no. Um. But it takes.

1050
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: It takes so much practice, and I think that's why

1051
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: it was so it really was beautiful for me to

1052
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: see the mixed responses because that helps me know where

1053
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: people are at and that further informs my work. And

1054
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: my work is to help people be free. My work

1055
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: is to help people accept themselves and love themselves at

1056
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: the deepest level. Um. But yeah, it takes. Boundaries take

1057
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: such a tremendous amount of practice. And I remember when

1058
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: I first realized that I severely lacked having any boundaries

1059
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: in my life. The first few months of being in

1060
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: practice with it, it was really scary. It was it

1061
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Speaker 1: was excruciating and saying no, I mean to say no

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Speaker 1: to one thing that now I would girl no and

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01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: I would walk away and never think of it again.

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Speaker 1: I would think about it for days, how to say

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Speaker 1: no in just the way or how you know, And

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Speaker 1: it's like I can cast all of that aside. You know,

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Speaker 1: if my no brings up something and someone else, then

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Speaker 1: I definitely should have said no. Then I know I'm

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Speaker 1: right on track. You know, Like if my no to

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Speaker 1: somebody is causing you to want to disrespect me, be

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01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: angry at me, being judgment of me, you need in

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01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: my not too, because you have to explore how you

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01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: feel about your boundaries and other people's boundaries, you know.

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Speaker 1: But it's a you know I loved because even to

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01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: that clip, people are like, oh my god, I want

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01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,439
Speaker 1: to say no like that. I want to be able

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01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: to do that. You have to practice it every day.

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01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: It It took me my whole life to learn how

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01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: to say no. And that's why I say it was

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01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: such depth and such joy. Now I don't say I'm

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01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: not like no, I'm like, oh no, no, thank you,

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01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: like have you ever been Have you ever been? Like No?

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01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: But I know, and that's that's what I think is

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01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: so And we talked about this on the episode that

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01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: I hope everyone listens to. But I think that is

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Speaker 1: what's so great about being in friendship with other people

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01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: who love themselves or even and I know that takes time,

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01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: and so if anyone is listening does not feel deep

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01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: in their own self love, that's okay. You're getting there.

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01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: You will be there, and you are worthy of love

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01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: right now and this moment. But it's so beautiful to

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01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: be in practice with our friendships, to be in a

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01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: space where one wrong answer or one trigger or one

1094
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: poke of a wound doesn't mean that we're now cast aside.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I don't believe that. Um. I don't

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01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: consider people to be disposable. No one, even people that

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Speaker 1: I disliked, even people that I have cut out of

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01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: my life, I still think that they're worthy of love,

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01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: that they are beloved children of God. But I can

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01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: make a conscious choice to not be an active participation

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01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: with them. But I don't think people are disposable, and

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Speaker 1: especially friendships, Like I don't think that there is anything

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01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: that we can't be on the other side of or

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01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 1: at least at personal peace with even if there's distance

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01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: with a conversation, you know, And so I love like

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01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: in our friendship and our friendship with Lenard and our

1107
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: and in many of our friendships that we have separately

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01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 1: with people, it's like we can be in practice. We

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01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: can get it a little wrong. Some times it's okay.

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01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: We can get it really right. You know. I can

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01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: say something and you can be like, listen, I respect it.

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Speaker 1: Please don't talk to me like that. That's not how.

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01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: That's not how you have to get that across to me,

1114
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: you know. Or Hey, I didn't feel what Can you

1115
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: give me more clarity on what you met when you

1116
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: said that? Or I heard a tone in that. Can

1117
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: you just let me know what you were feeling inside?

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01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: You know? And we don't have to be an agreement

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01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: about any of it. I could still be mad, you

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01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: could still be mad. But can we can we communicate

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01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: from a deeper aspect of ourselves, from a higher aspect

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01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: of ourselves over here, dropping, thank you for coming on

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01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: this show. I know you're about to disappear from the

1124
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: world because you're going um into full writing mode and

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01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna be on sabbatical a little one. I'm nervous.

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01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: What's that gonna look like for you? I have a

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01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 1: rigorous schedule that I wrote out so that I'm clear

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01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: about the fact that I'm on assignment, and so the

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01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,479
Speaker 1: sabbatical is not rested. Is just like being a track

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01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: so I can be an available, accessible vessel. That is

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01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: my mission right now. Yes, so you gotta move off that.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's so powerful. Yeah, Angela Ry, I love you,

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01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm so glad you can see better than

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01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: Superman shot you vision on this thing. Everybody, please, UM,

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01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: take Angela's deep, deeply wise and beautiful tips with you.

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01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 1: Think about them today. Um, if you have any time

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01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: later today, maybe pull out a line that really meant

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01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: something to you and close your eyes and meditate on it.

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01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: Write a couple of bullet points to it. But anything

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01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: that resonates that you hear in this show, even anything

1141
01:07:55,080 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 1: that brings up charging you, take time to spend with it.

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01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: Spend time with it, see where it leads you. Thank

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01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: you for listening, big love, and I must stay. Hey,

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01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: find me on social Let's connect at Debbie Brown. That's

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01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram, or go to my website. Debbie Brown

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