1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: Was Brian Laundry captured in an unintended selfie at Fort 2 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: de Soto Campgrounds. This is after Gabby Petito is killed, 3 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: her body decomposing in Wyoming, a whole country, far far away. 4 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: He's on a camping tip with his parents. Is it 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: true that his parents specifically signed into DeSoto Campgrounds for 6 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: a water front slot? Is that the key to Brian 7 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: Laundry's disappearance? Regarding the selfie, take a listen to this. 8 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: Sightings about Laundry's whereabouts are literally all over the map. 9 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: John Walsh, host of In Pursuit, says he has tips 10 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: showing Laundry is hiding out in Mexico, or the Bahamas 11 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: or the Appalachian Trail. A new witness is coming forward 12 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: to say he encountered Laundry drinking a loan at this 13 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: Bullwinkles restaurant in Montana. I'm on August twenty sixth, the 14 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: night before Gabby was last seen alive. It was almost 15 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: like he was sulky or mad or in deep thought 16 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: about something. I really didn't pay him that much attention 17 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: until he spoke up and did it. Was aggressive and 18 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: made a comment out about stupid Southerners Okay, did he 19 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: just say made a comment about stupid Southerners? So well, 20 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: here's my big question. All of us stupid Southerners are 21 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: wondering who killed Gabby and then went camping on a 22 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: pleasure trip with his parents a whole country. Oh wait, 23 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: that's what us stupid Southerners are wondering right now again. 24 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: I mean, see Graces his crime stories, thank you for 25 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: being with us. From being caught sulking at Bullwinkles restaurant 26 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: the night before Gabby was last seen alive. Another couple 27 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: has come forward in Florida saying they captured him and 28 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: intentionally in a selfie. So you've been wondering where he is. 29 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: Apparently we've got photographic proof with me and all star panel. 30 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: First of all, high profile lawyer joining me out of Jacksonville. 31 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: Former FBI agent Dale Carson, police psychologist, faculty Saint Leo University, 32 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: consultant with Blueball Institute, author of Operation SS. Doctor Jorry Crossen, 33 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: founder director of the Coldcase Research Institute, Joining us. Cheryl 34 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: McCollum at Coalcase Crimes dot Org. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, 35 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on 36 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: Amazon and star of a brand new hit series, Body 37 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: Bags with Joe Scott Morgan. But first to Michael Rui's 38 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: reporter Fox News Digital, who's been camped out down at Northport, Florida. 39 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: You know, Michael Ruise, just wing you think everything's going cold, 40 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: something else happens. Let's just start with the unintentional selfie. 41 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: What happened. Well, this family was camping at the same 42 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: campground as Brian Laundry when he came home from Wyoming 43 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: and Gabby Petito's van. Without Gabby, his family decided to 44 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: pack up, go on a little beachfront camping trip and 45 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: back campground. It's a pretty popular campground. I was just 46 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 1: there the other day. There's a lot of people there. 47 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: The campsites are actually very close to each other and 48 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: they're kind of small, so if you're doing something next 49 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: to the other campsite, there's a good chance that you're 50 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: going to be, you know, in the background of their pictures. 51 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what these people say happened. It's a 52 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: little hard to identify the person in the background as 53 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, but it's the right time and the right place, 54 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: and it does look a lot like him, and the 55 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: right truck and the right camper according to eyewitnesses. Let's 56 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: just go straight out to Cheryl McCollum, director of the 57 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute, Let's look at the timing everybody. 58 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: Michael Ruise guests joining us from Fox Today, saying that 59 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: there very possibly is a selfie a Brian laundry there 60 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: at Fort DeSoto. My first question to you in general 61 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,239 Speaker 1: as why does this family capture him on surveillance video? 62 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: In other words, a selfie and the surveillance video we 63 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: think of them driving in and out. If there's a 64 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: camera and the FEDS don't know about it, how does 65 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: this family, some campers and dog the bounty hunter fare 66 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: it out this location and the Feds don't question one? 67 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: Question two and possibly more important, Cheryl McCollum. A water 68 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: front spot. I mean when I take the twins camping, 69 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: and I usually get it ahead of time, because that's 70 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: what I put in my book, don't be a victim 71 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: plant ahead of time. I try to get a waterfront 72 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: spot if there is one. If there's a lake, we 73 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: can't there. But in this case it takes a new significance. 74 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: Were they planning his getaway the a waterfront your first question. 75 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: The answer could very well be there are a lot 76 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: of people that had much rather talk to somebody like 77 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: Dog the bounty hunter than an FBI agent. Some people 78 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: just do not feel comfortable to talk to the law enforcement. 79 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: Maybe they have a background themselves. Maybe they feel like, hey, 80 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: Dog's gonna make me famous, or maybe he can get 81 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: me a reward. The second thing is, we don't know 82 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: that the FBI doesn't know it. They are close, you know, 83 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: they're holding everything pretty close, which I believe they should. 84 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: But again, if this is him, then we know exactly 85 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: where he was on September sixth and the time of day. 86 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: Can we go to the waterfront slip now? Yes to me, 87 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: I'm just like you Walton. I always get waterfront if 88 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: we can, if it's available. It could be that, or again, 89 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: it could be let's test this raft we got or 90 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: this boat, or can you hit that waterway just right 91 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: at the right time to take you to a little 92 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: deserted island that y'all know about. It could be one 93 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: or the other. Let's go straight out to Michael Ruis 94 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: standing by in Florida. What can you tell me about 95 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: this selfie? We believe Brian Laundry is picked up in 96 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: a couple of selfie at the Florida camp site, seventy 97 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: five miles away from his home, days before Gabby Petito 98 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: was reported missing. Gee, I think I know what they're 99 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: talking about him on the camp fire, how to cover 100 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: up Gabby's death. Now, the lawyer for the family, Michael Ruiz, 101 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: has confirmed that the family stay there. And I'm looking 102 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: right at the selfie and it's him. It looks like him, 103 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: and the baggy shorts that come down to his knees, 104 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: a light colored shirt loping across in the background. I'm 105 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: sure you've seen it. What do you know, Michael, Well, 106 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,559 Speaker 1: we know from his lawyer, like you just mentioned that 107 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: he was there. The lawyer confirmed he was there on 108 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: the sixth and the seventh of September. We actually have 109 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: obtained the log keeping book from the park which shows 110 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: the Laundry family checked in under Roberta. Laundry's name, that's 111 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: Brian's mother. She checked in on September sixth, and she 112 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: checked out on September eight And according to their lawyer, 113 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: they all checked out together. According to other sources, maybe 114 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: they didn't, maybe only two of them left. But we're 115 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: still looking into that. But this does tell us that 116 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry was one hundred percent in that part while 117 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: Gabby Patio was fifting in the wilderness of Wyoming and 118 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: probably dead too. Dale Carson, high profile lawyer out of 119 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: Jacksonville and former FBI agent Dale I wonder if the 120 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: family isn't leaving the home so they can talk freely 121 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: away from any concern about wire taps, bugs, surveillance in 122 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: their home. What do you think? I absolutely agree with you. 123 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: I mean, the government has the capacity to monitor structures remotely, 124 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: and certainly that is a possibility. Well, when you say 125 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: things like monitor structures remotely, aren't you just talking about 126 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: a bug? There's one in every US embassy around the world. 127 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: What are you talking about. I'm talking about lasers. You 128 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: put a laser up against a piece of glass and 129 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: it'll catch the vibration from the conversations inside the room 130 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: and you know straight out to you, Joe Scott Morgan, 131 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: the way that wire chaps, bugs, laser listening is conducted, 132 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: it's almost undetectable. So if you want to have a 133 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: private conversation and you think you're I'll just say bugged 134 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: and that covers the whole gamut of listening devices. The 135 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: only place to go is out in nature. I mean, 136 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: you know, I've actually had cases just scott where police, 137 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: not necessarily the fast but local police would go and 138 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: bug the grave of the victim, would bug the fire 139 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: escape outside the defendant's apartment because they go out there 140 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: to smoke, or they go to the grave and unload 141 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: their conscience. You can put bugs under the law out 142 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: in the open anywhere a private individual can be standing. 143 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: You can stick a bug, you sure can. How does 144 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: it work? Yeah? Absolutely. And one of the things you're 145 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: thinking about, you know, you're talking about that at the graves. 146 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: You're thinking about spontaneous utterances, you know, these things that 147 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: you don't you don't suspect that anybody else is listening, 148 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: and of course they're hot on your tail there. And 149 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: so yeah, electronically, when these things are planted either in 150 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: a hardline phone or perhaps they're listening in over wireless anything, 151 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: if they have a warrant for this, they can record 152 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: this and then feed it back that they'll actually, I've 153 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: seen these before. They actually have a tighted out statement, 154 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: you know, relative to each one. A transcript if you will, 155 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: like we're using television and you'll see this. You'll see this, 156 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: and it really paints this picture. So you have a 157 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: reasonable expectation of privacy within your own home. They have 158 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: to get a warrant for that. But if you're out 159 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: in public, all bets are all at that point in time. Yeah, 160 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: I'm look, just look at the look at the mobsters 161 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: over the years where they go outside. They even use 162 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: lip readers, and Carl, I mean, I'm sorry, Dale can 163 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: probably speak to this. These guys would go outside and 164 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: they put their hands over their mouths so that you 165 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: can't actually see what their lips are doing. So yeah, 166 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: you know they know, even the mob knows that anybody 167 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: can be listening and watching at any point in time. 168 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Let's bring in our psychologist, 169 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: doctor Jerry Cross. And doctor Jerry thank you for being 170 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: with us. And also, I think there is you know, 171 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 1: just think it through. Gabby is decomposing out in Wyoming 172 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: and Brian Laundry knows it and therefore his parents know it. 173 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: So if they have any concern, have you ever noticed 174 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: how paranoid like dope dealers are, Hey, forget dope dealers, 175 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: there are parents of children. They go to school with 176 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: our children that are convinced the federal government's listening in 177 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: on them, and they refuse to have an Alexa. They 178 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: have all sorts of safety devices on their home internet. 179 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: My theory is, if the fans want to listen to you, 180 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: they're going to find a way. So you know what, 181 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: have at it. Listen all you want to about David 182 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: and arguing with me about who's going to clean out 183 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: the guineas that morning, the guinea pig cage. So how 184 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: about it go crazy? But my point is if they 185 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: know Gabby is out there decomposing, their sun comes all 186 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: the way across the country undetected, never reports a thing. 187 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: Of course they're going to go camping because they're paranoid. 188 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: They're probably convinced they're being listening on and by now 189 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: they probably are doctor Joy. Yeah. I think by now 190 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: when that camping trip started, that was to get out 191 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: and either initiate a plan to get him gone, because 192 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: definitely he disappeared after that point. And I could see 193 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: I'm familiar with the soda park down there in that 194 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: part of Florida, and right there with a waterfront, it 195 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: would be easy to get to a boat in the 196 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: Bay and then come out of Tampa Bay and get 197 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: right into the Gulf and go anywhere from there. So 198 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 1: what do you think, Cheryl McCollum, Do you think they 199 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: were hatching a getaway spot from right there? There ain't 200 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: no doubt my mind. Of course. I think they went 201 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: to like you said, huddle up, be together, be without 202 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,239 Speaker 1: any distractions. Nobody's coming to the door, because again they're paranoid. 203 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: They don't know when law enforces coming with a warrant. 204 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: They think it's coming any day, so they're hiding, so 205 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: they're not going to be able to know where they 206 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: are in that moment, so they can just have all 207 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: this time to plot, scheme and plan. There's no question. 208 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: For the minute he returned on the first to the seventh, 209 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: they're planning, and then he goes on the hiking trip 210 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: where they give him afore day head start. And let 211 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: me say one thing about Mexico. If he was headed 212 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: to Mexico, why would he drive all the way across 213 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: the state of Texas and never take a hard ride 214 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 1: and go there. Yeah, good point. Well, I think he 215 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: wanted to come home and huddle with mommy and daddy. Correct. 216 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: Don Michael Luise joining us from Fox Digital there on 217 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: the Saint Michael. Did they go camping there twice or once? 218 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: FA's that we're still trying to figure out. Now, we 219 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: had we had intelligence that we got basically handed over 220 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: to us and dogged the bounty hunter. If subjected they 221 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: went to wife, the time would have been on September 222 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: first to the third, right when he got back into town. 223 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: The second time we have confirmed is the sixth to 224 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: the eighth. Now, that first trip, their lawyer says they 225 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: booked it and then they canceled it, and then they 226 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: went back the next week. So we're still kind of 227 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: teasing that out. But if they had gone back twice, 228 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: that raises a lot more questions about what they were 229 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: doing in that campground. Guys, cycle is to our cut 230 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: one ninety eight. This is Mark Wilson, Fox thirteen, Tampa. 231 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: We are learning now about a new detail in the timeline. 232 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: After Brian Laundry returned to Northport. Fox thirteen has obtained 233 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: a copy of the registration logs for Fort de Soto 234 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: showing a ROBERTA. Laundry checking in to the park on 235 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: the sixth of September. Last week, neighbors told Fox news 236 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: that the Laundry family, Christopher and ROBERTA. Laundry and their 237 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: son Brian, appeared to go on a trip in a camper, 238 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: a new camper about a week after Brian got back 239 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: to Florida. Police say he returned in Gabby's van on 240 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: September first, and then a short time ago. The Laundry 241 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: family attorney confirmed all three members of the family went 242 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: camping at Fort de Soto on September sixth and left 243 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: on September seventh together. He says, they all left the park. Okay, 244 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: So Michael Luise, what do we know about a second 245 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: trip after that where they go back and then Brian 246 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: Laundry is not seen again at the family home. So 247 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: we heard from the neighbors across the street. Their names 248 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: are Bill and Charlene, and they told us that they 249 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: saw the camper leaves and they saw the family come back. 250 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: And the timeline right that we've confirmed is we know 251 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: about the sixth of the eighth trip. We still don't 252 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: know about a separate trip. But the lawyer then said, Okay, 253 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: they went other campgrounds, not Fort Soto, So that raises, 254 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: you know, that's a different trail that we were still 255 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: looking into about where that might have where they might 256 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: have gone there. So you just got Morgan, are familiar 257 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: with the slips, well, the spots down on the water 258 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: where people can pull up with their camper. Tell me 259 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: about the particular spot that Roberto Laundry signed for. Yeah, 260 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: the report out of Tampa lackt a one one thing 261 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: relative to when she signed in. It was actually slot 262 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: number one, Nancy. And when you make it through the 263 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: gate at DeSoto, you're going to kind of bear to 264 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: the left and continue on kind of westward and then 265 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: it will be right in front of it. It's actually 266 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: the first slot that's on the water. And let me 267 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: tell you what on the water means. It's beach front. 268 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: This place actually has a beach. Now keep in mind, 269 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: the rest of this island has we are referred to 270 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: as mangrove trees that kind of surround it. And they're beautiful. 271 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: If you've never I know that, maybe you've been on 272 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: a kayak trip, you know, down in Florida and you 273 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: can do and they cover you. It's like you're in 274 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: a tunnel. Yeah, but this this slip itself, slip number one, 275 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: it's spot number one, it's camping spot number one, it 276 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: didn't have mangroves. There's actually beach front right there. So 277 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, to my contention yesterday I mentioned this, you 278 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: can go to any box store that you want to. 279 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: You can pick up a kayak if you don't, and 280 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: that kayak would fit easily within that camper along with 281 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: a paddle. You go there, it's on the beach. It's 282 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: easy to launch. You just kind of push off and 283 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: you're moving quietly, Nancy, And there's all of these little 284 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: keys out there that you can kind of plant yourself. 285 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: Now do I believe he's out there, I don't know. 286 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: I think it'd be kind of hard to get by 287 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,959 Speaker 1: and and stay below the radar, but I know that 288 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: from that point you can launch out into open water. Guys, 289 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: we were talking about the whereabouts so called boyfriend Brian Laundry. 290 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: More internet speculation has been focused on the mother of 291 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, Roberto Laundry, Cheryl McCollum. She has been captured 292 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: on video and photos as well many times as she 293 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: walks around with a cell phone. There is speculation that 294 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 1: cell phone is actually a burner phone. How would that 295 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: be visible a regular phone versus a burner phone? Well, 296 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: a lot of people, and you can tell an iPhone 297 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: certain cases, you can you can see an android. So 298 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: they're going by, you know, the size and the shape 299 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: of it. I cannot tell whether or not it's a 300 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: burner phone the way she's holding it. But I tell 301 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: you what I do know. She's so worried about her 302 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: son and his whereabouts. When Dog the bounty hunter shows up, 303 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: she calls the police on him. This is somebody that's 304 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: looking for her son. You know, she's so worried about everything. 305 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: She won't answer calls from Gabby's family, she won't talk 306 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: to the police. She won't, you know, produce her son. 307 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: She won't produce his whereabouts. She won't say what she 308 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: knows about Gabby. You know, everything she has done points 309 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: to her having guilty knowledge of what her child possibly 310 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: we feel like definitly has done to Gabby, and she 311 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: has done nothing but try to protect him since he 312 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: showed up on the first, if not a little before that. Hey, Max, 313 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: So she does actually know how to doll nine one one? Right? Oh? 314 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: I would imagine she not only knows to have but 315 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: is willing to do it when it's somebody that's not 316 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: breaking the law at all crime stories with Nancy Grace. 317 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: Back to Michael Ruis joining us there in Florida. Tell 318 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: us what happened when Dwayne Chapman knocks on the laundry 319 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: door in his effort to help find Brian Laundry. Well, 320 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: you saw the video. He walked up, he knocked on 321 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: the door, he waited patiently outside. We know they were 322 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: home because we saw them pull up, and then we 323 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:32,239 Speaker 1: haven't seen anybody leave. And ROBERTA. Laundry called nine one 324 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: Dog the bounty hunter to Jerry Cross. And if somebody 325 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: offered to find my missing son that I was rorried 326 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: could be committing suicide at that very minute, you think 327 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: would it make sense to call the cops on that 328 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: person offering to help find your son. Not at all. 329 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: I would be cooperating with everybody, including the dog. You 330 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: know what's also significant. Let me throw this out to 331 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: Dale Carson. You know we've talked about how criminals often 332 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: return to a scene or they committed crimes where they're comfortable, 333 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: and I like to use the example so obvious Scott 334 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: Peterson dumped Lacy and Connor's body where he goes fishing 335 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: all the time in San Francisco Bay So why would 336 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: you commit a crime or cover up a crime somewhere 337 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: where you're familiar, that you're used to, where you know, 338 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: if you think it through, cops are gonna look same 339 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: thing here. What do you make of the fact del 340 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: Carson that photos have emerged of Gabby Potito and Brian 341 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: laundry at Fort de Soto in February They were just 342 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: there a few months ago. Well, clearly he likes that area, 343 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: and you're entirely correct. Many individuals who commit crimes go 344 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: back to the scene they want to see what's going on. 345 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: But in this case, of course, he's able to know 346 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,719 Speaker 1: that area pretty thoroughly, and there are a number of 347 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: islands available. There's the possible and we talked about this 348 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: before his departure for Cuba. I mean, all of those 349 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: things are possible depending on how well connected the family 350 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: is to individuals who have access to that sort of 351 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: travel arrangement, and that's certainly possible. This is South Florida. 352 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: There are many Cuban nationals down there, and it's certainly 353 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: possible they would know how to arrange something like that 354 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: that puts him out a harm's way. And that's why 355 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: she is not very concerned about where he is or 356 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: what his status is, because she's fully aware of what 357 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: his status is. One more point, Nancy, the FBI. The 358 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: government now uses a device called the sting ray, which 359 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: emulates the cell phone tower. So if she's using a 360 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: burner phone, that's no longer a mystery to the government. 361 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: They can certainly listen into any of that data, particularly 362 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: text messages sent from that device. One of the things 363 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: that alerted me to that potential of him them communicating 364 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: with him by email is during their trip to visit 365 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: a lawyer up in Orlando, they stopped at a library, 366 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: and as we all know, libraries have internet access that 367 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: typically is not trackable, and so that's an indication they 368 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: need be communicating with him through some mechanism that the 369 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: FBI is not even able to access at this point. 370 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: Guys taken listen to our cut one ninety nine. This 371 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,239 Speaker 1: is JJ Burton ABC action. Well, we don't know if 372 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: Brian or even her husband was here with her. Their 373 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: lawyer confirms all three did go on this trip together. 374 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: The lawyer also says that Brian did come home with 375 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: the family. Here's video action ERE one took above from 376 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: Fort de Soto. This morning, we flew out here to 377 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: see if we could see any police activity, and we didn't. 378 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: We also reached out to the Panella's County Sheriff's office 379 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 1: to get the surveillance video of the entrance and exits 380 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: of the park, but the sheriff's office say they can 381 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: give us the video because it's part of an active 382 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: investigation with Northport PD and the FBI. We also found 383 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: out that if Penella's County of chopper was circling above 384 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: Fort de Soto Park last night between eleven forty pm 385 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: until twelve forty am. We asked what they were doing 386 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: out here, and we're told as part of an active 387 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: investigation with Northport PD and the FBI. So Michael ruis 388 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: joining us. They are taking the Fort de Soto tips 389 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: and evidence. Seriously, they're out there with a chopper. Yeah. Absolutely, 390 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: And you know I was there the other day when 391 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,719 Speaker 1: Dog was there. I was kind of shadowing his investigation, 392 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: and we overheard park employees admitting that the FBI went 393 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: to the park and looked at the surveillance video. So 394 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: that surveillance video that they wouldn't release must show something 395 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: that's part of this investigation. It must have something to 396 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: do with the laundry family coming or going. So how 397 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: what was the inception of report? Cheryl McCollum that the 398 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: family went there not once but twice. That's the report 399 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: that we've been given more than once. And I think 400 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: Dog went there to look to see if he could 401 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: find the paperwork where you have to sign in to 402 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: go in. But this is something that's important to me 403 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: to point out again about his parents. They have, through 404 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: their lawyer, made all these different statements about you know, 405 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: Gabby and this, that and the other. They have yet 406 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: to make a plea to their son to turn himself in. Yeah, 407 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: I'm interested about where you can go when you leave 408 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: for DeSoto campgrounds, Joe got Morgan, Michael Ruis the whole 409 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: panel when you leave. If you look at a map 410 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: for Tosto Campgrounds, believe me, they weren't there just to 411 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: grill out hot dogs. If you leave there by kayak 412 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: or canoe or any kind of small watercraft, what's the 413 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: first thing you encounter, Joe Scott Morgan. I know that 414 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: there are the many islands. I don't think that that 415 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: is feasible for him because he can't live there forever, 416 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: and he would be spotted depending on the size and 417 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: the nature of the topography. So what's after the islands? 418 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: Lets you break out of the little inlet islands, what's next? Okay, 419 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: this is going to be kind of a wild idea. 420 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: But if if he no, if he went north out 421 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: of that area, okay, and just stayed close to the coastline. Now, 422 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: if he's in a kayak, he's gonna have hell beat 423 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: out of him by the surf. But if he is 424 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: out in steady water and he is heading north, okay, 425 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: as you had north, you're gonna wind up coming close 426 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: to Saint Pete. Okay, Saint Petersburg, Florida, and then beyond 427 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: that you got Tampa. Now, my contention, one of the 428 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: things I thought about is where can this guy go 429 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: without a passport and blend in? And I think our 430 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: friend Dale mentioned this other day, and I kind of 431 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,719 Speaker 1: agree with him to a certain degree. I think he 432 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: has an opportunity to blend in with a homeless population. 433 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: He could be under a bridge right now and Sara Soda, Tampa, 434 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: and also of Saint Pete have large homeless populations. Do 435 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: you know why it don't get cold down there, so 436 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: it attracts a lot of homeless, so he could blend in. 437 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: And I just think, and if you've got a polo 438 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: cash with you, you stick in your pocket, you shave, 439 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: keep your head, shave, shaved that beard off, get you 440 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: some grungy clothes, go to Goodwill, do whatever you got 441 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: to do, and you blend in. I don't see it. 442 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: I think they're trying to get him as far away 443 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: and as quickly as possible. Cheryl Nancy, he's gone, I'm 444 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: telling you. In other words, they check out of the 445 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 1: campsite on the seventh. Did mom and Dad get home 446 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: the eighth, the ninth? Do the neighbors know? Do we know? 447 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: We don't know anything until the eleventh of September, so 448 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: they could have been going anywhere in the meantime. Here's 449 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: the other thing. Has he ever actually in person met 450 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: with his attorney? I doubt it. They've never produced him 451 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: in any way for anyone when he goes hike in. 452 00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: Remember mama waited four complete days before she reported him missing. 453 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: They got a plan. He's gone. He's got a water source, 454 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: he's got a food source, and he's got a shelter. Yeah, 455 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: let's take a listen to our cute one seventy nine. 456 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: Sandra Smiths on American Reports. The Daily Mail is reporting 457 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: exclusively right now TJ that the best friend of Gabby 458 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: Petito is saying Brian Laundry is quote well equipped. She 459 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: believes to survive months in that twenty five thousand acre 460 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: Florida nature reserve. She says, he's gone off the grid before, 461 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: he's survived in these mountainous trains before by himself, and 462 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: he certainly can do it again. Climb stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, 463 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: so what do you need to survive under those circumstances? 464 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: Out to you, Joe Scott Morgan, because I disagree that 465 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: they've got him hiding in playing site. No way he's gone, 466 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: question where and how did he get there? The reason 467 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: I care about how he got there is because that 468 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: might help me trace where he is now. Well, okay, 469 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: the only other option you have if he's not on 470 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: a boat is he's got to get to a thoroughfare 471 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: and something else I'd entertain the other day, And again, 472 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: this is kind of a crazy notion. What if they 473 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: went to a box store and bought him a mountain bike. 474 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: He's staying on back roads, he's traveling across the country. 475 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: He's always in motion, always in motion. He's supposed to 476 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: be this great fit, outdoorsman kind of guy. But again, 477 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: if you're traveling down the road, you're gonna pass police units. 478 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: And will the police units have the awareness to recognize 479 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: this guy on a bike? You know, maybe he's got 480 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: spandex on it. He's traveling down the road. He just 481 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: looks like any other biker that's going down the road. 482 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: And I'm not talking biker like motorcycle. I'm talking about 483 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: like cross country biking. Is that a potential. He's got 484 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: to get to a road way somehow. And the trick 485 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: is what kind of conveyance did he use? You know, 486 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: I mean where we're gonna say he hopped onto a train, 487 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, is that even possible any longer? I don't know. 488 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a roadway. If he's 489 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: not on the water, he's got to be on a roadway. 490 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: And listen, we all know, we've all been well most 491 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: of us have been to Florida. It is a confluence 492 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: of interstate highways. We've got seventy five, we've got ninety five, 493 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: We've got all of these. It's there's multiple ways to 494 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: get out of the state. You got ten of north. 495 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: Think about it, Joe Scott. I don't see him renting 496 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: a car and being on the interstate. You can't drive 497 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: a bike on the interstate. But one thing about a bike, 498 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: Dela Carson, is you'd be wearing a helmet. Your face 499 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: would be obscured. One of the things we've experienced here 500 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: in Florida is that people will rent storage sheds, you know, 501 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: the commercial storage sheds, and you could live in there 502 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: for a protracted period of time. You've no prefisely where 503 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: your son is. You could stock him with all the 504 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: food you needed. A could just sit there and wait 505 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: until things calm down, and once they've calmed down, then 506 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: he's able to move more freely. Guys, take a loads 507 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: to our one eighty five. This is from the Schmitt 508 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,479 Speaker 1: family press conference. We have occurred from the Laundry family 509 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: and we haven't been able to hear much from the 510 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: FBI to can't share a lot with us about Brian's whereabouts. 511 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: Is there anything that you can tell us about the 512 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: efforts to find him, what the family thinks about where 513 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: he might be and the Laundry family silence again for 514 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: the Laundry silence. The laundries did not help us find Gabby. 515 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 1: There's sure is not going to help us find Brian. 516 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: For Brian, we're asking you to turn yourself in to 517 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: the FBI or the nearest law enforcement agency. You know. 518 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,959 Speaker 1: That just breaks my heart to hear Gabby's family begging 519 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: for laundry to turn himself in. Where that's where we're 520 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: at right now, laundry out in the wind. God only 521 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: knows where. Michael Rui's joining us from Florida. Michael, what 522 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: is the best theory out there right now? And what's 523 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: happening where you are? Well, well, I've heard a few theories. 524 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: I've talked to a lot of experts about this and that, 525 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, everybody kind of has a different take. But 526 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: one of the big ones is the Appalachian Trail. And 527 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: one of the reasons is because he has a history 528 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: of camping out there before. Now. You know, we know 529 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: the Florida Swamp where they were looking for for a 530 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, very inhospitable. The Appalachian Trail, He's much 531 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: more comfortable there and there are much less risks there, 532 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: So if he's up there. I was speaking with sources 533 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,719 Speaker 1: today who told me, he could have been as far 534 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: as North Carolina by now he's just hiking up the trail, 535 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: laying low, staying off the beaten path. So that's one 536 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: thing to look at. I really am interested in the 537 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: Mexico connection because if they're looking at that park, the 538 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: Fort Tonsota Park south of Saint Petersburg, all he needs 539 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: is a boat and he can go in any direction 540 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: he wants and we don't know where he is. So 541 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: did he get a boat. That's a question that we 542 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: need to answer. That's something we need to look at. 543 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: Is the tide. And let me tell you why. If 544 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: you remember when they attempted escape from Alcatraz in nineteen 545 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: sixty two, Robert Schablin was an inmate in make thirteen 546 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: fifty five, and he was the only person that could 547 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: read tide tables, and back then the San Francisco Chronicle 548 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: would publish them. He told the escape bees, you've got 549 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: to hit this tide just right, and it will help 550 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: you get to the island. Y'all are trying to get 551 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: two to get out of here. If you don't hit 552 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: it right, you're gonna be slammed up against the rocks 553 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: and killed. So again by them going to that camp 554 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: site twice. Possibly they were watching those tides. What kind 555 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: of a watercraft would it be? Anybody on the panel 556 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: jump in, because I don't see it being a kayak 557 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: out in the open water. There's a lot of fishing 558 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: boats raiding that air, especially commercial shrimping boats that come 559 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: out of the Tampa Bay and they got access to 560 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: the gulf and they do the deep line fishing, which 561 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: puts them, you know, hundreds of miles out into the gulf. 562 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: So there's only one thing that makes me think he's 563 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: not in a boat, or if he wasn't a boat, 564 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: he's no longer run a boat. It's not really his mo. 565 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: We don't hear about him fishing or doing water sports. 566 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: We hear about him as a survivalist in the woods. 567 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: He's looking for an escape route right now. It's not worthing. 568 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: He's got to get out of here. Okay, what do 569 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: you make of that, Joe Scott? Yeah, but you know, 570 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this. I've been around a lot of 571 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: shrimpers in my life, and I'm thinking or commercial fisherman. 572 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, what commercial fisherman in his right mind would 573 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,719 Speaker 1: take this guy on board? Unless unless somebody gave him 574 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: a fistful of cash. You know, money mitigates any problem, 575 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: many times, not any problem, but many problems. Is that 576 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: is that the case here? And again going back to 577 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: what you had said, he is on terra firma, he's 578 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: he's out walking somewhere. He is on the road. The 579 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: question is where is he headed and what path did 580 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: he take? Is he I don't think he's necessarily on 581 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: an interstate road, Nancy, And keep in mind, Florida is 582 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: replete Lea's damn toll booths. They're everywhere, you know, and 583 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: they've got biometric well not biometrics, but they capture your picture. 584 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: If he's not on that, he's got to be on 585 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: country roads, back roads, getting on these county roads and 586 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,919 Speaker 1: kind of weaving his way through there. You know. What's 587 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 1: interesting also to Michael Ruiz, whenever it's brought up to 588 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: the family lawyer, the Laundrys lawyer says they don't know 589 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: where he is. That may actually be true at this point, because, 590 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: as Cheryl McCallum says, he has long gone. But I 591 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: find it really hard to believe that mommy can cut 592 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: those apron ties. I think she knows the direction where 593 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: he's headed. I would be willing to bet that it's 594 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: out West or the Appalachian Trail, because he loves camping 595 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: out west. That's his forte. It came all the way 596 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: across the country once he could do it again. He 597 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: does have that background and a lot of experience, and 598 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: you know, we can just see we can see from 599 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: his social media and his camping review site that he's 600 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 1: been at all of these places a lot, and they're 601 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: certainly they're just not as dangerous as some of the 602 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 1: places in Quarter where he might have been. And they're 603 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: definitely not as dangerous as going to Mexico, you know, 604 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: where there's a bounty on his head. Right, Why why 605 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't someone they're just grab him? Why would they let 606 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: him hide out? You're kidding right in Mexico, they're not 607 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: going to try to help us. You think so that 608 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: there's thirty thousand dollars. I mean, if a regular person 609 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: sees Brian laundry in a different country, you think they 610 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: really know, Wow, there's a thirty thousand dollar reward for him. 611 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: I don't think that. I mean, how long has a 612 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: living in John's boyfriend been hiding out in Mexico? He's 613 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: still hadn't been caught. He where's this big flop he had? 614 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: Everywhere he goes, everybody sees him. He's never been turned in. 615 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: Has he been turned in yet? So? And he's high profile. 616 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: Everybody knows what he looks like, at least I do. 617 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: So Laudry could easily hide out in Mexico. But how 618 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: would he get there? Okay, that's a serious question, not rhetorical. 619 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: How would he get there? This Dale? Look, Look, you 620 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: know Craig's Lift and all of those buy here, shell 621 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: here sort of software programs will allow you to buy 622 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: a boat. You buy a boat with a forty five 623 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: horse on it, and load it with fuel and just 624 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: head right down up Texas and just close to the 625 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: shore and all the way to Mexico if you wanted 626 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: to go. Okay, sul McCollum, is there any way on 627 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,240 Speaker 1: God's green Earth that the mother is not in touch 628 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: with him? Zero chance? And I'll pay you one more 629 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: thing for people to think about. Remember when she finally 630 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: reports him missing on the seventeen Yeah, that's the same 631 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: day his sister decides to speak. The only person in 632 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 1: the whole family that's broken silence is her. Why because 633 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: she was the only person we weren't looking at. She 634 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: was the only person nobody had thought of. Where had 635 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 1: she been from the fourteenth to the seventeen? We wait 636 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: as justice unfolls. Tipline one eight hundred called FBI one 637 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: eight hundred, two two five five three two four. There's 638 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: a thirty thousand dollar reward to bring in Brian laundry. 639 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,879 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,