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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey

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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and

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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in

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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or

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Speaker 1: scripted as well. Merriti Medicine Reunion Okay, that's coming this

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Speaker 1: upcoming Sunday.

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Speaker 2: The reunion trailer.

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Speaker 3: Has been released listed in my opinion as a Meriti

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Speaker 3: Medicine stand I am the biggest fan of Meriti Medicine

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Speaker 3: based on that trailer.

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Speaker 2: The star of.

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Speaker 3: The trailer, it's Steve. Steve is the husband of doctor

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Speaker 3: Mimi and Steve is activated and gave a lot of

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Speaker 3: great moments in that trailer that blew me away.

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Speaker 2: Started with you, Dustin.

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Speaker 3: What were your thoughts on the Maritime Medicine Reunion.

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Speaker 4: Trailer, master class and how to show up and show

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Speaker 4: out at the damn reunion. I believe this is a

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Speaker 4: two part reunion. I'm totally fine with that. That means

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Speaker 4: that they're going to be two packed episodes for a

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Speaker 4: lot of twists and turns, which is much more entertaining

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Speaker 4: than watching a bunch of boring bullshit. So I'm happy

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Speaker 4: that they're doing it that way. I think that everybody

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Speaker 4: showed up. The reunion trailer looks incredible. Quid Andoya our

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Speaker 4: first chair, which is new. Typically Doctor Jackie and Doctor

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Speaker 4: Simon are always first shared, So that alone lets me

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Speaker 4: know that this reunion is going to have a certain

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Speaker 4: type of energy. You got them two fire starters in

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Speaker 4: the motherfucking first seats.

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Speaker 5: You know what time is going to be.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, Brandy is showing up in the reunion

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Speaker 4: trailer talking to Kintessa, and I actually saw an extended

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Speaker 4: peak of the reunion online today where there was a

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Speaker 4: you saw that that exchanged between Brandy and Kintessa. Brandy

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Speaker 4: wasn't playing with Kntessa at all. And Contessa the veteran

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Speaker 4: that she is both literally and figuratively right in this case,

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Speaker 4: but she's a she's a reality TV vet, and so

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Speaker 4: she had a level of composure that you can only

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Speaker 4: only attain when you've done this more than once. You

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Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, and Your seasons. Kintesla appears seasoned

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Speaker 4: in their exchange, but Brandy won and that's good for

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Speaker 4: a new cast member, so I'm excited to see more

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Speaker 4: of that. Also, in the sneak peak, we saw Steve Sanders,

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Speaker 4: Steve motherfucking Sanders tearing up Eugene's Harris in that trailer,

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Speaker 4: and in the extended clip we really saw for the

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Speaker 4: fact that he absolutely stuck that Louis Vatanshu in the

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Speaker 4: crack of Eugene's ass, and it was well deserved because

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Speaker 4: Eugene was trying to check him and trying to like

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Speaker 4: stoke the flames with doing and saying things. I'm not

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Speaker 4: gonna spoil it for people that haven't seen that clip yet,

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Speaker 4: because if you don't, you'll see it in the episode

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Speaker 4: on Sunday. But Steve is here to stay. Him and

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Speaker 4: doctor Mimi are a great addition to the show. I

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Speaker 4: want to see what the new house looks like next year,

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Speaker 4: so I'm excited and I'm ready for this reunion.

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Speaker 6: Claudia Jordan, I did not see the trailer yet, but

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Speaker 6: now I will go watch the extended reunion. I mean

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Speaker 6: the trailer, but I will say this from the commentary

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Speaker 6: of the comments I've been seing online, people saying the

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Speaker 6: reunion looks even better than the season. Yes, that's how

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Speaker 6: exciting people are for so I'm super looking forward to it, though,

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Speaker 6: so don't said everything anyways.

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Speaker 4: Remind me to send you the links of that of

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Speaker 4: those preview clips, Claudia that's not in the trailer, because

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Speaker 4: I want you to see what's coming next week.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna be like, you'll see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely crazy and love. We all know that

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Speaker 3: that cast always delivers. But one thing that was so

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Speaker 3: fresh was the fact that you know, like Justin said,

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Speaker 3: that show has been off for twelve seasons, and doctor

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Speaker 3: Jackie and doctor Simon have office, have first chair because

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Speaker 3: the show is about doctors. This season is Toya and Quad,

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Speaker 3: which to me signals once again that we saw Potomac.

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Speaker 2: It signals a new wave of what that show could be.

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Speaker 3: And one thing that they also tease Claudia and this

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Speaker 3: trailer was whether or not this will be Doctor Heavenly's

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Speaker 3: last season if she does become a congresswoman, And.

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Speaker 6: You know, the primary, she's up against a really old

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Speaker 6: member of like someone that really is in his eighties

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Speaker 6: in a wheelchair doesn't really make many public appearances. No

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Speaker 6: disrespect to his life legacy, but there there are people

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Speaker 6: are really talking a lot about term limits, and you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because it sounds like he won't even hear it

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Speaker 4: if she say your mama. So so that's good. At

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Speaker 4: least her opponent won't even hear her if he if

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Speaker 4: she said your mama to him, she's gonna whisper it

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Speaker 4: at the debate on that podium.

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Speaker 5: She's gonna cover the MinC your mama.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't.

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Speaker 6: I didn't. I didn't pay at union of the primary.

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Speaker 6: I know, I don't. They had their I thought they

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Speaker 6: had their primary. I gotta look. Yeah, but damn.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, mama may the fucking mama.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and my constitutes. You know she's gonna be right off.

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Speaker 6: Wouldn't it be dope if she won on the show.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it would be great.

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Speaker 6: I mean, why not. Look if we got in the

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Speaker 6: White House now, but Pete Hexas, it's all reality started,

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Speaker 6: will not even really start.

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Speaker 5: This is reality people, What I mean?

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Speaker 4: We have a McMahon and what's the others. Yeah, what's

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Speaker 4: the other one that looked like a little bat that

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Speaker 4: was over the over the educate the Department of Education.

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Speaker 6: Uh yeah, yes, spells everything wrong.

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Speaker 4: Dumb, stupid. Yeah, so you're right, the bar's love. If

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Speaker 4: I was heavily though, my campaign slogan.

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Speaker 5: Would have been your mama.

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Speaker 4: Yeah running, she's a health care professionally, I'm here for

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Speaker 4: you and your mama. Okay, everybody saying that, let me

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Speaker 4: show you what I mean. My campaign slogan would be

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Speaker 4: your mama.

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Speaker 6: Okay, and never mind, never thank.

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Speaker 2: You Claudia for behaving.

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Speaker 6: I want you to meet it. You can say it.

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Speaker 2: Listen, y'all getting stupped in real time.

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Speaker 3: Let me see claud has to say.

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Speaker 5: Hold on, let me look.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but you can't say that friend, like leave.

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Speaker 6: Some blanks and make it feel in the blank.

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Speaker 5: Lead you. You got it out.

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Speaker 2: That's why.

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Speaker 3: That's why rain drops drops. That's why I have a

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Speaker 3: special announcement where Claudia may be able to really say

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Speaker 3: things and dustin to tonight. I gotta spare hert just

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Speaker 3: a lit so bit all right, hood journalist, I love you,

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Speaker 3: by the way, She's a Patreon rain drop hate hood journalist.

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Speaker 2: She watches everything on Patreon. Love you all right, say it?

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Speaker 6: Say it? CJ. I can't, y'all, y'all have to go.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Claudia, you we are listening.

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Speaker 3: The good thing is we are really your friends.

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Speaker 5: No after that a little bit, right, So if that's

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Speaker 2: Hey, bathta Okay.

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Speaker 3: So one thing that I want us to get into,

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Speaker 3: so listen, we're gonna talk about my e J.

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Speaker 2: Johnson interview, So Rain Johns.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna get into that a second. But before that,

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Speaker 3: I do want to talk about what could be another

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Speaker 3: end of an era. We just saw a few weeks

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Speaker 3: ago that Basketball Wives was officially canceled.

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Speaker 2: Claudia on Patreon, you can say anything on there. We

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Speaker 2: will wait say it.

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Speaker 3: Then, my fellow April b Mika Smith, you are, but

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Speaker 3: stay tuned, okay.

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Speaker 6: If my employer doesn't want me to say anything.

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Speaker 2: That, I won't stay tuned for a new announcement. Okay.

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Speaker 3: One thing that I want to get into rob before

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Speaker 3: we discussed e. J. Johnson interview is Mama Dee revealed

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Speaker 3: that Love and Hip Hop Atlanta may not be coming back.

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Speaker 3: It has been something that we've heard from Chaotic, who

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Speaker 3: was a cast member on the show, and.

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Speaker 2: It's been something that we've been hearing here and there.

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Speaker 3: Mama Dee went live on Saturday and mentioned it.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's what's happening in this industry. We talked

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Speaker 2: about this before.

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Speaker 3: Its this industry just ain't the same anymore. We just

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Speaker 3: learned that Access Hollywood, Steve Willco's show, our friend Caroama Brownmo.

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Speaker 2: Their talk shows got canceled.

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Speaker 3: We also just learned that Taler Perry sold the twenty

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Speaker 3: five percent ownership he had in BT Plus to Paramount

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Speaker 3: because Paramount owns all of by comp which includes BT

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Speaker 3: and they're not going to consolidate BT plus into Paramount Streaming.

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Speaker 2: So look, this industry is changing.

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Speaker 3: So Love and Hip Hop Atlanta is rumored to not

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Speaker 3: be coming back, based on Mama D's latest post two. Claudia,

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Speaker 3: what are your thoughts on that, especially as a current

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Speaker 3: cast member on Love and Hip Hop Miami.

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Speaker 6: I just do guess appearances.

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Speaker 2: You're not the opening act. This is the like, this

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Speaker 2: is the life.

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Speaker 6: I get a hero, but I am in the mix

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Speaker 6: have scenes where I'm kind of you know, I'm stirring

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Speaker 2: Anyways, I have an usive interview dropping in April.

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Speaker 3: When Carlos you know, it's somebody that you may know when.

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Speaker 6: Well a beginning, middle end, beginning, okay, good, okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: the writing on the wall and they are closing things down,

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Speaker 6: Like so I do know that, uh, people are starting

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Speaker 6: to look elsewhere for the next thing. And plus they

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Speaker 6: and right now, yeah, I'm sorry. Miami usually starts back

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Speaker 6: least be sending offer letters out and be negotiating for

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Speaker 6: the next season. So I think that I think they're

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Speaker 6: getting rid of all of them. Uh yes, guy dances

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Speaker 6: taken over, right, they taking up everything. Everybody black is

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Speaker 6: becoming a casualty of this. Uh this anti woke, which

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Speaker 6: is the anti black work work. They don't care. They're

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Speaker 6: not prioritizing black shows. And I think it's discussing what's

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Speaker 6: happening to black media. Was that anything leaning to the left,

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Speaker 6: and that it's not like something like the seven hundred

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Speaker 6: Club or maga Ish like it's it's really going. It's hard, right,

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Speaker 6: and it's it's it's sad. So we have to lean

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Speaker 6: onto the YouTube, the Patreons stuff that you're doing, Carlos

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Speaker 6: kind only make your own products stuff. Now is the

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Speaker 6: time if you want to do a talk show, take

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Speaker 6: it over to YouTube, make all the money, take up

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Speaker 6: the middleman. There's still avenues so far. I mean hopefully

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Speaker 6: they don't do anything on YouTube. But yeah, it's it's yeah,

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Speaker 6: I think it's over with.

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Speaker 4: Well, we're living it's so much misinformation going around right now.

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Speaker 5: It's not making any money.

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Speaker 5: So I think it's pretty clear what that's all about.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, to act like the people

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, this is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.

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Speaker 4: There's nothing wrong with that, I agree, and all further

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Speaker 5: Truth, then I'm sad that that's happening. I'm sad.

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Speaker 2: I've said this before, This industry is broke and and

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Speaker 3: It's it's not just reality stars, it's it's it's happening

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Speaker 3: And the reason why I don't care what people say

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Speaker 2: Because when it comes to reality television, let's keep it.

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Speaker 2: I'm keeping a buck with y'all.

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Speaker 3: Everybody wants to be a housewife, everybody, let's let's have

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Speaker 2: There's girls on shows currently who want to be a housewife.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, who don't even appreciate the show that they're

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Speaker 3: you know, the.

435
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 2: Oscars of reality television, and.

436
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: You know this sort of like paint brush of well,

437
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 3: it's class here and all those things. And I always thought,

438
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 3: and this is coming from somebody who did Seasons one

439
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: of Atlanta Jersey, I never understood the classy part in

440
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 3: terms of the actions, because I saw Teresa you like

441
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: to flip a table.

442
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 2: I saw Teresa Judices run down the country club.

443
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 3: I saw Danielle stouth hair get pulled by Jack Ashley,

444
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

445
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Speaker 2: So I never understood that.

446
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: My point in saying all of that is it's one

447
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 3: of those things where you guys complain so much about

448
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 3: wanted more shows than when you have them.

449
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 2: You don't support it.

450
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 3: You don't support it when you're cast on the show.

451
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 3: You don't support it when it's on. Y'all are so

452
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 3: quick to say cancel this show. We're bored, it has

453
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 3: run its course, versus saying what we say every Monday night,

454
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 3: which is, you know, maybe this person should leave the show.

455
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 3: Bring in these type of people. We never say cancel

456
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 3: the show. Were the three of us plus Blue. We

457
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 3: always give advice in terms of what we would like

458
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 3: to see, but we never say cancel.

459
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: But you guys want to do that, then y'all could

460
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 2: plain there's no black shows. But y'all WoT support any

461
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: black shows, and we y'all do.

462
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 3: Y'all call them ghetto because y'all too think the only

463
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 3: show that should be around our housewives. Every other show,

464
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 3: y'all don't say cancel it. Y'all say this is how

465
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 3: we can help. But when it comes to other black

466
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 3: reality shows, y'all so quick to be like, get rid

467
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 3: of it, We're bored. Is run his course, it's ghetto,

468
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 3: it's ratchet. It's not showing us in the best light.

469
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 3: The eleven o'clock News does not show us in.

470
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 2: The best light. But you guys don't petition but that

471
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: to be canceled. You see what I'm saying.

472
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 3: So what's happening is what Claudia and Doesn't are saying,

473
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: which is there is this call to action to get

474
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 3: rid of it, okay, And that's why for me, I

475
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 3: am focusing more on doing other stuff because it's not

476
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 3: just affecting the reality stars.

477
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 2: It's affecting the reality creators.

478
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 3: It's affecting reality producers seeing all these talk shows get canceled.

479
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 3: Sherry Shephard, like I said, Access Hollywood, our friend Caroamo Brown,

480
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: these are signs of where the industry is hit it,

481
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 3: and I'm going to tell y'all right now, it's not

482
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 3: going to get better. It's going to get worse before

483
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: it gets better. Similar to the music industry. That's why

484
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 3: people who are in the music industry, they are doing

485
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 3: other stuff. They're not becoming influencers. They're not making songs

486
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 3: that survive on TikTok. Nobody wants to write songs anymore.

487
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: I was watching Beyonce footage yesterday and I just marvel, like,

488
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 3: we will never have another Beyonce. It's never going to happen.

489
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: Number one, You girls don't want to work like she does.

490
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 3: Number two, there's no Matthew knows arow but.

491
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Speaker 5: You know.

492
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: But my point is, the girls don't work anymore. The

493
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: girls don't want to don't want to put When I

494
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 2: say the girls, I don't mean just girls, thank you.

495
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 2: I mean the girl That's what I say.

496
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 5: But it's not it's.

497
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 3: Nobody wants to work anymore. Nobody wants to put in

498
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,239
Speaker 3: the effort. All y'all want to do is complain. And

499
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 3: then when I hear songs on the radio, I'm like,

500
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 3: this is for TikTok, and that's one stream of income.

501
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 3: But I think globally we have to figure out how

502
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 3: to support each other and stop running.

503
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: Stop y'all gotta stop with this ship of.

504
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 3: Desiring one angled of something and not fully supporting other.

505
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 2: Avenues like the TV, you know, like a Zeus. You

506
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

507
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 3: Zeus may not be your cup of tea, And trust me,

508
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 3: I get that right. I don't watch Zeus just like

509
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 3: Lemmy don't watch my shit.

510
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean he and I can't support each other.

511
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 5: Do you each other professionally?

512
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 2: Yes?

513
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 3: He said this publicly, and that's why I'm saying it.

514
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 3: I introduced him to Joscelyn because all the shows that

515
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: I pitched with Joscelyn's Cabaret, the networks turned it down.

516
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: And when I met Lemmy at the dog park, funny story,

517
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: and we were talking and I saw this black man

518
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: doing his thing, and he said, who do you Who

519
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: would be.

520
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: Good for Zeus? I said Joscelyn. Josce Len flew to

521
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: Los Angeles.

522
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: She and I met with him, and the rest is

523
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 3: history and she's doing wonderfully. You know, So again, support

524
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 3: what's out there, and trust when I say this, I'm

525
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: not saying you have to love it or like it,

526
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: but damn it, do you have to go on Twitter

527
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: and leave.

528
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 5: Comments advocating for his failure.

529
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: To be removed and canceled? And then when y'all get

530
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: me at that BT plus is gone, did.

531
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: Y'all subscribe to the motherfucker y'all to subscribe to it?

532
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 6: It's crazy, like they'll say, people say like, oh, Zeus

533
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 6: is ghettos, this, that, and third, but then you have

534
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 6: a whole bunch of non ghetto shows on BT plus

535
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 6: that wasn't getting the same support. But like, let me

536
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 6: tell you something with Zeus will do every month is

537
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,959
Speaker 6: they're getting a million people or more to pay that

538
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 6: four ninety nine or whatever it is every single month.

539
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 6: So they have dedicated fan base. Dedicated fan base they

540
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 6: do so money were your mouth this, I mean I

541
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 6: would love I mean no, some people saying, are you

542
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 6: telling us to watch ghetto TV? We're not saying that.

543
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 6: Was saying like like if there's aying this should be

544
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 6: a yang. Okay, I have to stuff that's like the

545
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 6: untend stuff as but then also support some stuff over

546
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 6: here on BT plus or don't hate on it at

547
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 6: the very least.

548
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so you know it's it's it's, it's, it's,

549
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: it's what's happening.

550
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: So I'm moving on with that. I do want to

551
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: get into EJ.

552
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 3: Johnson's interview that I did because boil Boy look and

553
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 3: this it doesn't quitly know my spirit.

554
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: When I do interviews, I literally do it.

555
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: I leave and I put it up and I'm and

556
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,719
Speaker 3: I just whatever, you know I And I'm being very honest.

557
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: I did not expect the E. J.

558
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: Johnson interview to blow up as big as it did.

559
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 3: I literally, First of all, we taped that interview in December.

560
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 6: Wow.

561
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: Really yeah, we.

562
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: Taped it in December, and I hell it because obviously

563
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: I do a lot of interviews, and then depending on

564
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: the timing of stuff like like for example, Dakara, We're

565
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 3: Top Model, I have to do that and release it

566
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 3: immediately because.

567
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: It was a hot topic.

568
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 3: So that's why a lot of my interviews that you

569
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: guys will watch is not always I do it and

570
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: I'll release it the next week. It just depends on

571
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 3: the how relevant it is. I want to talk to

572
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: YouTube briefly about the E. J. Johnson interview to get

573
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: your perspective on it. I do want to play this

574
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: clip first, I'm not gonna play the whole thing.

575
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: I want to.

576
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 3: Play some of it so that Claudia and Dustin and

577
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: I can have a quick discussion about it, and then

578
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 3: I'll tell you guys what I'm doing this week in

579
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 3: regards to that particular interview. So here it is.

580
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: Let me share my screen. Can y'all see it? You

581
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: and your sister liking the same guy.

582
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 7: I honestly that is ultimately like what got the pick

583
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 7: the show picked up. But also you know, in terms

584
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 7: of the gender and sexualities and stuff like that, it

585
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 7: was very important because that happens. You know, you can

586
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 7: I don't attract gay men, and I'm not and I'm

587
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 7: not attracted to gay men. Like it's just not a thing.

588
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 5: Tell me more about that, you know.

589
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 7: Just I think like if you ask any of the

590
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 7: girls like they'll tell you, they'll tell you the same.

591
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 5: And I think they're just labels, you know.

592
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 7: That's what Like, I don't care what you know, Like

593
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 7: I'm dating someone, I'm like, I don't care what you

594
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 7: identify as or what you call yourself as long as you're.

595
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 5: Happy being who you are.

596
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 7: But no, but to be honest, it's like that's why

597
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 7: I don't really go to I don't go to gay clubs.

598
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 7: I don't go to you know, gay things because it's

599
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 7: like the men that I attract are not there. And

600
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 7: also like they're like, you know, they kind of.

601
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: Like wave you off. You're just like oh that you know, hey, girl.

602
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 7: Like you know, it's not you're not in in here,

603
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 7: in here like the rest.

604
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 5: Of us are. You know.

605
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 7: It's just it's always but it's I never really understood

606
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 7: it until now because before when I would go and

607
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 7: I would I just was like, there's something about this room.

608
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 5: It's like it's almost like.

609
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 7: They don't want me here, Like I'm not really in

610
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 7: it here because I'm not presenting as a man. I'm

611
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 7: not presenting in a in in that way.

612
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 3: And to be clear, the gay community room, yeah, your

613
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 3: own community yeah yeah yeah.

614
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 7: But it's not like a shameful thing or just like

615
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 7: oh they're mean to me, But it's like these are

616
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 7: not my men in terms of attraction. Now, I'm just

617
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 7: going to have a key, key sure, but like these

618
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 7: are not the men that are that are interested in

619
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Speaker 7: me in that capacity. I do that when I go

620
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Speaker 7: to the straight rooms.

621
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Speaker 3: So what I want to do first is get your

622
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Speaker 3: thoughts on that conversation, Dustin, Oh, thank.

623
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Speaker 6: God, man, I'm like, God, I was not making eye contact.

624
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, so, I think that so fucking I'm just

625
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 4: about to speak freely.

626
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Speaker 6: So.

627
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 4: I think that Eja use some words to describe circumstances

628
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 4: and situations that he's been in that have unfortunately stoked

629
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 4: a lot of flames and reignited a bunch of meaningless,

630
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 4: baseless conversations that are deeply, deeply rooted in homophobia, transphobia, misogyny,

631
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 4: all of the things. And I think that he kind

632
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 4: of fan those flames by getting on his ass on

633
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 4: your interview and saying that he dates straight men. I

634
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 4: think that the point that he was trying to make

635
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 4: was that men that are attracted to him are attracted

636
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 4: to things that are feminine, and so the likelihood of

637
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Speaker 4: him finding interest from someone there in a room of

638
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 4: people who are attracted to the male form or the

639
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 4: male presenting identity are less likely than being in a

640
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 4: room with people who are attracted to femininity. But for

641
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 4: him to say that it was straight men that he

642
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 4: was attracted to, I think was kind of confusing for

643
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 4: a lot of people, and it caused conversations that vollied

644
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 4: over into one thing, into another thing, and into another

645
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 4: and so I just think that that was new information

646
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 4: for people and confusing because of the words used. And

647
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 4: so we just have to be careful and be responsible

648
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 4: when we are discussing things that are sensitive and things

649
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 4: that are related to issues that have been very divisive

650
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 4: within the black community that have created this imaginary rift

651
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 4: or conflict amongst women and female people versus the gay

652
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: community and the trans community that does not exist. Conversations

653
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 4: like that have aided in propelling those things forward, and

654
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 4: it's really harmful. So we just got to make sure

655
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 4: we speaking clearly and we're speaking to the audience. EJ

656
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 4: was speaking to an audience to us that was way

657
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 4: larger than gay people who would understand the dynamics of

658
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 4: those situations in spaces that he had been in, and

659
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 4: so the information was falling on ears of people who

660
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 4: had never heard anything like that before. And we're not

661
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 4: responsible for doing the work of figuring it out. It

662
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 4: wasn't their job to figure out what he meant. It

663
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 4: was EJ's job to say what he said, and that's

664
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 4: what he did. But there was another way to make

665
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 4: what I'm assuming EJ's point was in that setting without

666
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 4: adding confusion and stoking the flames of these pointless, divisive

667
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 4: conversations that are not going to get any of us

668
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 4: anywhere further, and that are dividing us at a time

669
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 4: and we really need to be unified.

670
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 5: So those are my feelings about it, Claudia.

671
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 6: If I would have said what EJ said, I would

672
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 6: be roasted all over social media ashore. And I don't

673
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 6: like I agree. I feel like it was a little divisive,

674
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 6: Like I don't think there was a need to say

675
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 6: that he wears some clothes better than women and all

676
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 6: that kind of stuff. And I know that's like a

677
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 6: small part of the interview, but in a time where

678
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 6: the division is just getting the wedge is being driven,

679
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 6: just made bigger and bigger and bigger, it's just like,

680
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 6: h I think EJ really comes from more of a

681
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 6: place of privilege, So maybe it comes off a little

682
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 6: bit like, wait what, but EJ's life will never be

683
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 6: like it's not like any of ours. Okay, I mean

684
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 6: the man, I'm sorry, I don't want to be disprestful.

685
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 6: EJ grew up just differently, just out the gate. You

686
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 6: know what, I mean, everything's a label, everything's like this,

687
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 6: and I think it comes off as an old, rich

688
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 6: white woman. And when he was saying some of these

689
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 6: things he was saying, it kind of felt like, you know,

690
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 6: when you have a maybe a black friend that maybe

691
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 6: black men didn't hit on them while they were in

692
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 6: high school or whatever, and they just only date white men,

693
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 6: so they say, don't I don't mess with the blacks,

694
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 6: you know, because they don't really like me. And it

695
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 6: maybe his reality, but it still can like be a

696
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 6: little bit like, you know, rub you the wrong way.

697
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 6: I get what I was saying about. You know, someone

698
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 6: that that would be attracted to EJ would be more

699
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 6: in tune with the feminine than the masculine. I think

700
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 6: maybe he could have been left there and all the

701
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 6: other stuff was not necessary because I kind of that's

702
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 6: when it went left. I think I think that's was

703
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 6: rubbing people like the wrong way. You know. Okay, I

704
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 6: try to be as careful as I could on that SEGM.

705
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: But you look good. No listen, listen, So I'll say this.

706
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: You know the thing with EJ that I want.

707
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 3: To start by saying this, EJ does not do interviews. Yeah, J,

708
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 3: albeit famous courtesy of the reality show he was on

709
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: rich Kiss and Beverly Hills. EJ in the City has

710
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: spent off. That happened more than a decade ago. He's

711
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 3: not out there doing interviews or even being seen. His

712
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 3: social media just got up a few months ago and

713
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 3: you follow EJ. He was gone out of the limelight

714
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: for years. And when I reached out to him, it's

715
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 3: because I saw that he had his Instagram back up

716
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 3: and started doing more content and fashion and he's amazing,

717
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 3: amazing when it comes to understanding fashion and labels and

718
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 3: all that stuff.

719
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 2: Back to his whelhouse.

720
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: So long story show, I reached out to him and

721
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 3: he could not have been more gracious and more sweet.

722
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 2: And I listen, I don't walk around like I'm probably

723
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: king darling everybody. I don't walk around like that.

724
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 3: So when he said yes, I was pleasantly surprised because

725
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: I know that he doesn't do interviews. And at the

726
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 3: end of the interview what he said to me, he

727
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 3: was like, I did not expect to even talk about

728
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 3: anything you asked me.

729
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: He said, you made me feel so comfortable to be myself.

730
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 3: That we you You really went there asking me questions that

731
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: I just don't talk about and I think for EJ,

732
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 3: like dustiness intimating, EJ felt like he was talking to

733
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 3: one of his duties. Do you know what I'm saying,

734
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: like one of his girlfriends and not and not the

735
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 3: world right? And the stuff that EJ said, I mean,

736
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 3: that's that's EJ's life and that's EJ's perspective.

737
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: What I gathered from it was e.

738
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: J, I will never know what it's like to walk

739
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 3: in EJ shoes, right, being born with a platinum spoon

740
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 3: in your mouth and having this access of immediacy of luxury,

741
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: you know, private schools and you know EJ is I

742
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 3: believe thirty three years old.

743
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: So EJ was born at a time where you know parents.

744
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: And we're seeing this on Mariti Medicine with doctor Simone.

745
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 3: And her kids, where it is this concept creation of

746
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 3: black parents who are first time millionaires saying I want

747
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 3: to give my child the best life, and sometimes giving

748
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 3: your child the best life means you're you're you're putting

749
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 3: them in schools and environments where they don't have a

750
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: lot of people who look like them, but they're not

751
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: exposed to that. So I definitely think he touched on

752
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 3: that and the one thing that he did say. And

753
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 3: by the way, EJ goes by EJ. However, EJ has

754
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 3: said that obviously if somebody says he he's not tripping

755
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 3: off a bibie.

756
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 6: I was just going to ask you that because.

757
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: People say, I know, I know, EJ said. It's all

758
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 2: about the intention of the word.

759
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: And if he asks you, if they ask you and

760
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: in the moment not to say, you still say it,

761
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 3: then it's disrespectful.

762
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 6: He's not is not trans right, So EJ is okay?

763
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 6: Like if you say he is not offensive.

764
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 3: EJ told and and the other thing and this and

765
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: this is not to Claudia, this is not to you, okay,

766
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 3: because don't make it seem like it is. That's why

767
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 3: I want people to watch the entire interview. I think

768
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 3: a lot of people watched the two minute clip and

769
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 3: read with it. I ain't tripping at all. But I

770
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 3: implore people to watch the entire interview because I think

771
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 3: if you watch the entire interview, like a lot of

772
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: people did, your perspective may be something.

773
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 2: That is not based on the two minute clip.

774
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 3: And I'll leave it at that because I like people

775
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 3: to have their own perspective.

776
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: The last thing I'll say is.

777
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 6: This, I'm gonna watch it, all of it. Sorry, I

778
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 6: was busy this weekend. I'm sorry.

779
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people saw the clip and and

780
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: and did a lot of content about it, which I

781
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: appreciate anybody who takes my content to talk about it

782
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 3: because there's so much out there. The last thing that

783
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: I'll say is, after you've watched the entire interview, one

784
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 3: thing that is true in the in the gay community.

785
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: And I'll speak to the black gay community because I'm

786
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 3: part of it, me too.

787
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no too wow. Well nothing like

788
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: you know they think about. That's the kay no.

789
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 3: One thing I'll say, and I have another announcement to

790
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 3: make after this is there is film.

791
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 2: Phobia in the community.

792
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: There is film phobia in the Black gay community. I'm

793
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 3: not going to spend time on this on this month

794
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: in my live going to detail about it.

795
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I'm doing later.

796
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 3: But what I will say is when it comes to

797
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: feminine gay men, I E ME I E an E J.

798
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 5: Right.

799
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 3: There, Unfortunately is this thing where there appears to be

800
00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 3: this large demographic of people in the community who don't

801
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: find feminine gay men attractive.

802
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: Right that is something that is true.

803
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 3: And if you're a feminine gay person, you know exactly

804
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about.

805
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 2: And that's why a lot of.

806
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: The comments defended EJ, saying, now y'all know what he's

807
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 3: trying to say, like stop it, and again it's a

808
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 3: conversation like Dustin's.

809
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: Dustin said that that's more global and has way more reach.

810
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: But there is film phobia is a real thing. Claudia,

811
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: You're you're not privy to this.

812
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: You know, me and Dustin's generation, there was this thing

813
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 3: called no facts and no films where when you used

814
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: to try to meet a guy online and there will

815
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 3: I will never get this. I was in my early twenties.

816
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 3: I'll never get this. When you're trying to figure out

817
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 3: your your situation and you go there was a site,

818
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 3: and Claudia, there were literally boxes that would be like.

819
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: You know, male or female, check here preference mhm.

820
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 3: They would have no fast, no films, and and that

821
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 3: meant no fat personal person. And so I do think

822
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 3: a lot of EJ's experience comes from him being a

823
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 3: larger size growing up, in addition to being effeminate.

824
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: And no, I'm sorry, I didn't want to cut you off,

825
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 4: please please finish.

826
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 2: So there's there's definitely.

827
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 3: That was definitely a thing when you first started to

828
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 3: come out back in the day. Not granted things have

829
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 3: gotten better, things, yeah, things have gotten better.

830
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: The world evolves.

831
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 4: Want him to go be in the gay spaces because

832
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 4: if you were to go, he would understand that things

833
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 4: are different. These new the younger people than us, don't

834
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 4: give a fuck about none of that shit. They coming

835
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 4: out and whatever their body type is, body positivity is

836
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 4: a real thing now that.

837
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 5: We thank God for.

838
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 4: And self expression is something that in the middle of

839
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 4: so much oppression, there are still spaces where you are

840
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 4: allowed to thrive with your expression, your freedom of expression.

841
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 4: So I think he would have a different environment if

842
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 4: he were to socialize in those spaces moving forward.

843
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: So I agree with you, and I think for EJ.

844
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 2: And that's my hat to say.

845
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: I want to give EJ all the props in the

846
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 3: world because when I, an overly gay black man, reached

847
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: out to EJ and said, I know you don't do interviews,

848
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 3: and he said yes to me, And I don't want

849
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 3: that to get lost in it because he could have

850
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 3: just said, girl, you know whatever. And Dustin's right too,

851
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 3: So The thing is this. The world has evolved, Everything

852
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 3: has evolved. However, I will say people's trauma that they

853
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: experience in the childhood still resurfaces. And that's why listen,

854
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 3: I'll talk about myself.

855
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna move on. I don't give two ships. I'm

856
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 2: a bush queen whatever. I don't do labels myself. But

857
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 2: but what, we're not gonna act like it doesn't exist.

858
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 3: We're not gonna act like when I post a picture

859
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 3: on Twitter, y'all, some of y'all say, he's keep until

860
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: he starts talking.

861
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So we're not gonna act

862
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 2: like it's.

863
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 6: But I'm also a power bottom.

864
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 2: No, but I haven't hit podcasts, so clearly someone likes

865
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: my boys. But we're not gonna act like it doesn't exist.

866
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty six, if I post a picture, the

867
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 3: repost would be hearing me out.

868
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: Is this is safe space? He's fine until he starts talking.

869
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: I mean, if he wasn't such a girl, you know

870
00:47:54,719 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: it's But but what I will say, because I understand engagement,

871
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 3: I understand when those things are said on Twitter is

872
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 3: to get engagement. I know that when I go out

873
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 3: and Dustin is a witness to it.

874
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 2: I don't have any.

875
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 4: Issues, not a problem, insight, where's the problem, the jackets problem,

876
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 4: the problem Carlos.

877
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 6: Banks, the jacket, the blaze.

878
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 3: But but my thing is this, My thing is this.

879
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 3: But but but that's why Dustin's right, Claudia and rain Drops,

880
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 3: you have to you have to put yourself in those

881
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: rooms still, because that's not the reality anymore. And and

882
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 3: by saying this too, it's just important to have these conversations,

883
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 3: which is why me and Dustin are gonna hold a

884
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 3: panel with other gay black folk and we're gonna call

885
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 3: it dating while gay and black. Because to Justin's point,

886
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 3: I think there's a larger conversation about this, and that

887
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 3: is something that you.

888
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 2: Guys will see pretty soon.

889
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 4: So let me say one thing before we get off

890
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 4: this subject. The most interesting thing about conversations and commentary

891
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 4: surrounding your conversation with EJ and the clips of it

892
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 4: that have gone viral, is the commentary that it generates, right,

893
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 4: And I just want people to know that people like myself,

894
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,959
Speaker 4: people like Carlos, people like Claudia who has multiple gay

895
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 4: friends that are close to her, we can all see

896
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 4: straight through the intention of the comments that I left,

897
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 4: and each one of these people who are using this

898
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 4: and weaponizing this piece of this conversation into an opportunity

899
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 4: for them to perpetuate and purport homophobia, transphobia, all that shit.

900
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 4: Anybody that's using this and turning his conversation about who

901
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 4: he's attracted to and who's attracted to him into now

902
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 4: some sort of issue of straight women versus gay people.

903
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 4: We see you, We see exactly what you're doing. We

904
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 4: see you taking that journey and making that path to negativity,

905
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 4: and you can see straight through it every motherfucking time.

906
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 4: And this is a safe space for me. It's always

907
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 4: going to be a safe space for me. This is

908
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 4: a safe space for Claudia. And this is your show, Carlos.

909
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 4: So I just want to be clear that the homophobia shit,

910
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 4: we don't have any space for that or no tolerance

911
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 4: for that.

912
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 5: This is not a US versus them thing. That was

913
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 5: a clip of EJ.

914
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 4: Johnson talking about who he dates and who's been attracted

915
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 4: to him and who he's attracted to, where he used

916
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 4: some language that can be off putting for people. But

917
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 4: I just want to be clear on that because we

918
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 4: can have a healthy discussion a healthy conversation about anything.

919
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 4: But what we're not fin to do is open the

920
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 4: door to rap at homophobia attacks on the gay community,

921
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 4: turning this into a war between straight women and gay

922
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 4: pe people. It's not going to be that, so I

923
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 4: just wanted to be clear about that for our audience.

924
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for thank you.

925
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 3: I agree and I agree with that, So listen, make

926
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 3: sure y'all check off the E. J. Johnson Carlos King

927
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 3: exclusive on my YouTube channel. Watch the whole interview. It's

928
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 3: only fifty seven minutes, and shout out to everybody who

929
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 3: did a video on it.

930
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 5: Listen.

931
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 3: I am I get paid clearly every Monday night to

932
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 3: talk about things in media. I'm never mad whether y'all

933
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 3: loved it hated it. I appreciate anybody who takes time

934
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 3: out of their day to even talk about it.

935
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,959
Speaker 2: And I want to give a shout out to don't

936
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: call me.

937
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 4: Why Gramona and sit.

938
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 5: Talking about this.

939
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 6: But so someone that doesn't do interviews, I think that

940
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 6: was good for him to see it and even even

941
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 6: some of the feedback, whether the good, bad, and the ugly,

942
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 6: because it also lets people like I did this class

943
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 6: before where we had to like see how people view

944
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 6: us and how from how we speak right, And and

945
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 6: that's not to say he had a he was flawless

946
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 6: in his answers, and that doesn't make him a bad person,

947
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 6: but maybe he can see how how even clips made

948
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 6: some people think that he was maybe distancing himself from

949
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 6: the community, which we need all the allies that we have,

950
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 6: especially someone as visible, powerful, rich as an EJ. You

951
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 6: know what I mean, Like that he's not without criticism.

952
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 6: It's okay, right he You know what, maybe if I

953
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 6: do that again, because I don't have a lot of

954
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 6: experience in interviews, maybe I wouldn't seem like I'm kind

955
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 6: of distancing myself from gay men or men, because that's

956
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 6: hurtful too. And that's not saying he's homophobic, but it

957
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 6: can come off in a way that the person that

958
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 6: doesn't do the deep dive and is not as up

959
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 6: to uh, you know, on point with everything, doesn't watch everything,

960
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 6: or you know, a casual viewer won't get the wrong

961
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 6: impression that he's saying those feminine over there with that

962
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 6: with me, they can't sit with me. So yeah, I

963
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 6: think this would be good for him. He can go

964
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 6: back and watch it, and I don't think you coming from.

965
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 6: I don't think it's trying to be a dickhead.

966
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 5: I don't.

967
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, I trust me. I'm the queen of being misunderstood.

968
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 6: I totally understand that how two hours gets, you know,

969
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 6: cut up and served up another way.

970
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. So all right, so make sure I watched that.

971
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 3: Thank everybody who, like I said, watched it and made

972
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 3: comments and videos.

973
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 2: All right, So breaking news, Claudia and Dustin and rain drops,

974
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: ask and you shall receive.

975
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 3: So you know, one thing that I love about Claudia

976
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 3: and Dustin and everybody that is in my life.

977
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 2: Is the fact that you know, when.

978
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: You guys say things sometimes I listen, not all the time,

979
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 3: but if it makes sense, I got your back. Therefore,

980
00:53:54,680 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 3: I am launching a new series called Reality After Dark,

981
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 3: where we get to talk about being a little bit

982
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 3: more race the Earth, where we go we get to

983
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 3: oh got y'all, he's showing dangling about. We get to

984
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 3: talk about things a little bit more racier, a little

985
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 3: bit more explicitit. The panel will include Carlos King, Dustin Ross,

986
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 3: Claudia Jordan, and Mandy b Okay.

987
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 2: Mandy b y'all may know.

988
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 3: Her as Full Court Pumps Okay, so listen Reality after Dark.

989
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to drop it this week.

990
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 3: It will be a Patreon exclusive because my Patreon we

991
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 3: get to like, you know, go there, go.

992
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 6: There, can I say the C word?

993
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 3: There?

994
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

995
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 6: There, I'm there.

996
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 3: So off drive, Claudia gets to be Claudia Job. All right,

997
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 3: so it's Claudia, Dustin, Mandy and Me. So listen, go

998
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 3: to patreon dot com slash Carlos King.

999
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: We are dropping it this week. It is going to

1000
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: be a tree and Baby.

1001
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 3: If y'all know Mandy b and if y'all ever listen

1002
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 3: to Horrible Decisions, which is now called Decisions Decision, y'all

1003
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 3: know that Mandy gives it up.

1004
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 2: Y'all know that Mandy gives it up.

1005
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 6: And they said, well y'all be naked me my, I

1006
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 6: mean it depends on. Listen. If y'all run the numbers up,

1007
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 6: ain't no telling what. So with that being said, you

1008
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 6: decide the level of the show. You see, Carlos been dying,

1009
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 6: get that shut off?

1010
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, so listen, this will be this would

1011
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 3: be so I'm so happy and listen. I got more announcements.

1012
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 3: I got more announcements, so that one I wanted y'all

1013
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 3: to know.

1014
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 2: To night and that's gonna be something great.

1015
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 3: And again I'm still doing the panel dating while gay

1016
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 3: and black, and we're gonna have conversations about that because

1017
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 3: again I think these topics are very important.

1018
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 2: So Dustin and Claudia, I got ready to reality after dark.

1019
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 6: You know I love an unhinged, uncensored, uncut I mean

1020
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 6: it so depends, you know, depends. Well, you'll hear about

1021
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 6: that on the Patreon. I'm a lady here, I'm a

1022
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 6: us patreo, Kenny. I'm just I make an announcement too

1023
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 6: for Wednesday. So this Wednesday on e I'm part of

1024
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 6: a series as a two part series two hours uh

1025
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 6: this Wednesday, the showing episode both episodes of Dirty Rotten Scandals.

1026
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 6: It is the last of the three.

1027
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 3: Uh.

1028
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 6: They did Doctor Phil America's Next Top Model, and now

1029
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 6: we are exposing the prisis wrong. I mean, the price

1030
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 6: is right, okay, Kathleen Bradley Holly. I mean we really

1031
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 6: are able to be free in this. And I saw

1032
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 6: some clips they sent me some teasers, and I couldn't

1033
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 6: post the other ones that I got, yo, Like I

1034
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 6: couldn't believe some of the stuff that made the cut.

1035
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 6: I'm like, I can't believe they did that, Like it

1036
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 6: was crazy.

1037
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 3: I can't wait watch Yeah, so that so Claudia tell

1038
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 3: them when that comes on this Wednesday on E so

1039
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 3: it'd be back to back.

1040
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 6: So first hour, second hour. I'm more featured in the

1041
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 6: second hour, but the first hour, like they are giving

1042
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 6: it up now. Holly had a long lawsuit with the

1043
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 6: Price Right Wig for unlawful termination, for retaliation and the

1044
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 6: stuff they talk about with bar Parker. Let me tell

1045
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 6: you some people was getting the d funcked in the

1046
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 6: dressing room and making scenes in front of the audio.

1047
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 6: All kinds of stuff was going on the Prices right,

1048
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 6: I'm just saying.

1049
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 3: All right now listen, okay, and rain Jobs next Monday,

1050
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 3: we are going to recap that particular episode as well.

1051
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 3: That's the beauty of having Claudia Jordan around. So make

1052
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 3: sure y'all watch Dirty Rice Scandals.

1053
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 6: And you're at the Truth Awards this weekend, aren't you.

1054
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm being honored at the Truth Awards.

1055
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so thank you all so much for that being

1056
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 3: honored at the Truth Awards.

1057
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: Shout out better Brothers LA for that honor.

1058
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 3: It's me Don Lemon Duran Bernard and Mecca.

1059
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 5: I love Mecca the director. Yes, yes, he's talented.

1060
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, hosting.

1061
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 3: You know, listen, I'm bringing my supporters of friends and everything.

1062
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 6: Are you calling him a supporter now?

1063
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 2: Reality After Dark will.

1064
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 6: That's cute. I love my supporters too. That's not you

1065
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 6: like your support?

1066
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 2: You have back support this weekend, Claudia, the support I.

1067
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 5: Can give right now.

1068
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 3: Same.

1069
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 6: Once you get a little support, you are here after that,

1070
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 6: out here to support I can get definitely hard.

1071
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 5: I love y'all.

1072
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 2: I'll see y'all this week