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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stefan

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Speaker 1: never told you a protection of iHeartRadio. And this week

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Speaker 1: you are getting a classic on an off day, a

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Speaker 1: non classic day, because we have a Spoiled Saturdays coming

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Speaker 2: Yes, and it is. I was like, I won't tell

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Speaker 2: them what it is, but because of this classic, you

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Speaker 1: It is Scream six. We are talking about Scream six,

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Speaker 1: and we might be embarking on a whole Scream journey,

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Speaker 1: so wait to listen out for more about that.

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited.

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Speaker 1: And I was telling Samantha because this classic is about

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two Scream five. It's usually just called Scream,

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Speaker 1: but it is Scream five. And I was telling Samantha

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Speaker 1: about how fun I had revisiting these, like I get

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Speaker 2: Either I won't love it as much.

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Speaker 1: Or sometimes I just get like I know it's gonna

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Speaker 2: Energy thing coming on. I don't know if I'm in

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Speaker 2: I don't. I just get sad about things I love.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: It's an odd behavior that I have, but I had

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Speaker 2: I had such a good time. So I hope you listeners.

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Speaker 1: Even if you don't, if this isn't your thing, you'll

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Speaker 1: at least enjoy how excited I am and our conversation

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Speaker 1: as always. But yes, in preparation for Scream six, we

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Speaker 1: thought we would bring back our episode we did about

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Speaker 1: Scream five. Please enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steff.

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Speaker 1: I've never told you a protection of iHeartRadio, and it's

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Speaker 1: time for another feminist movie Friday. I am so excited

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Speaker 1: about this one. This one's very indulgent. I'll admit this

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Speaker 1: one is something that I really wanted to do. Because

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Speaker 1: today we're going to be doing a comparison of the

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six Scream, the original Scream, and the newest

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Speaker 1: Scream Scream twenty twenty two are Scream five. All those

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Speaker 1: pretty considered also Scream confusingly enough, but there will be

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Speaker 1: spoilers for that, and there will be spoilers for all five.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to tell you right now, so if

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Speaker 1: you want to wait, I know the news Scream just

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Speaker 1: back because got a lot of thoughts. Got a lot

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Speaker 3: Oh she does. And I mean like the day she watched,

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Speaker 3: I was getting texts like, oh my god, it's these

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Speaker 3: So I definitely had to watch this with her, the

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Speaker 3: newest scream. Actually I watched the third one with you

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Speaker 3: you're like, but but and so we'll get to watch

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the only one our mystic is for. And I'll

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Speaker 2: get you one day, Samantha. I'll get you one day. Yeah, and.

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Speaker 1: We are gonna be talking about death and sexual assault

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Speaker 1: and violence. Nothing too graphic, but that's kind of what

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Speaker 1: is going on in these movies. Also, Samantha, are you impressed?

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Speaker 1: I kept the outline short.

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Speaker 3: I assumed you did this and in the idea that

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Speaker 1: Samantha gave me very strict instructions and I did my

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Speaker 3: About the link, I was like, look, we're going to

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Speaker 3: but if you don't, I'm going to take these other

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Speaker 2: You our work relationship balance each other out.

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Speaker 3: It's perfect.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, indeed, see our past episodes on Final Girls, Survival, Horror,

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Speaker 1: Why Didn't You Believe Her? And especially Scream Queens, which,

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a trick.

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Speaker 2: Thought I went wild, Samantha. I couldn't stop.

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Speaker 3: This is one of those like I'll take this, You

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a lot of feels about Sidney Prescott.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and we are going to talk about some of that,

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Speaker 1: others think Scream three is about Harvey Weinstein, who is

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Speaker 1: the plot, starting with the original Scream, which was a

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six meta slasher comedy movie directed by Wes

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Speaker 1: Craven and written by Kevin Williamson. It stars Nev Campbell

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Speaker 1: as high schooler and final girl Sidney Prescott, Courtney Cox's

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Speaker 2: And it is very very nineties. It is so very nineties.

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Speaker 1: Sidney Prescott, Campbell's character is a high schooler at Wisboro

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Speaker 2: Basically, she deserved it, she brought it on herself.

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Speaker 1: After two of Sidney, the peers are murdered by a

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Speaker 1: A curfew is introduced and gossip and finger pointing goes rampant.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's a suspect, with many thinking that Sydney's snapped on.

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Speaker 2: The anniversary of her mother's death.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, you've got her boyfriend Billy, who's pressuring her to

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Speaker 1: Billy also compares his mother leaving his dad and leaving

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Speaker 1: And this is when she quits about horror movies. They're

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Speaker 3: Right, And in gil Weather's book, she does kind of

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Speaker 3: I say I'll be right back, that's even worse, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So carty members start getting picked off one by one,

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Speaker 3: Of course that was also like another fear instilled between

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Speaker 3: I'd never thought about before, Yeah, petrified. Meanwhile, Gail secretly

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Speaker 3: Then comes the famous Act three. Sidney has sex with

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Speaker 3: the scene as the movie ends, Yes, literally like she's

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Speaker 3: Tara is Amber's accomplice. Sam disagrees and leaves him to

433
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 3: search for her, finding her tied up in a closet,

434
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 3: just as Sidney's dad had been in the first one,

435
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 3: and then she hesitates to untie her.

436
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Amber shoots an injureds Gale. Richie stabs Sam and

437
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: reveals to her that he is actually Amber's accomplice.

438
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 3: I called that one too.

439
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: They force Sidney and Sam into the kitchen, revealing they

440
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: are STAB movie fans that met on Reddit who are

441
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: disappointed with Stab eight and want to provide new source

442
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: material to get the franchise back on track, bringing back

443
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: the original cast with Sam as the killer. However, Sam

444
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: reveals she untied Tara and Tara attacks Amber. Sam attacks Richie,

445
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,479
Speaker 1: and Amber falls on the stove and Gail shoots her,

446
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: lighting her on fire. Sam is injured but manages to

447
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: get Amber's knife and tells Richie she is introducing a

448
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: new rule, never with the daughter of a serial killer,

449
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: and stabs him multiple times, shooting him for good measure.

450
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: Amber runs at them for a final attack, but is

451
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: shot by Tara. The Meeks twins and Tara are taken

452
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: to the hospital, Sam accompanying Tara. Gail decides and not

453
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: to write about the killers, instead to write a book

454
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: about Dewey. The movie ends with an anchor reporting on

455
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: the events outside of the house, just like the first

456
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: one did. And this is one of many many things

457
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: where the first one and this one mirror each other.

458
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 3: And this is where I say, Okay, now you've got Sam.

459
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 3: If she's truly this, you know, if we were watching

460
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 3: Criminal Minds, she truly has whatever serial killer jeanes, which

461
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 3: is kind of what her how she's been upset with

462
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: and like I don't want to be this person, like

463
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 3: after stabbing him multiple times. That just opened up the floodgates.

464
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 1: So just saying yes, well, it's interesting because as I said,

465
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: they're already making the next one, and the actor who

466
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 1: plays Sam said she wants to explore her dark side.

467
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: So who knows she began well.

468
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 3: Exploring that dark side.

469
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about this morning because I

470
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 1: know I've said it multiple episodes, but her story mirrors

471
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: that Ovray from the sequel trilogy of Star Wars, who

472
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: was Palpatine's granddaughter and had like this like evil jeans

473
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: and heavy quotes, but kind of this history and this

474
00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: pressure perhaps hanging over her to become dark and she

475
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: did it.

476
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 2: And I can't wait to talk about that. One of

477
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: my favorite things about this whole thing.

478
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: But first I wanted to talk about trauma because one

479
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: of the things I know I've said it before, but

480
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: I watched this movie the first one way too young.

481
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: I watched it when I was nine years old, and

482
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved it had the soundtrack. I

483
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: still remember all the songs, and I really loved Sydney,

484
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: and I love how they have done a good job,

485
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: in my opinion, with that character and that she's she's

486
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: funny and smart and capable, but she has this trauma,

487
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: like you see.

488
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 2: Her trauma throughout, and like in the.

489
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: Third one, she's working for like she's isolated and she's

490
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: working for this like mental health hotline. And then the

491
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: fourth one, she wrote this book out of darkness, and

492
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: that reminded me of what you were talking about, Samantha,

493
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: and that episode we kind of did, which is who

494
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: makes the money off of these tragedies?

495
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: Who gets to tell the story?

496
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: In the fourth one, she says the reason she did

497
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: it was she was tired of everyone else telling the

498
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: story and she wanted to take control. She wanted to

499
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: feel this semblance of control over it. And then, of course,

500
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: on her first on her stuff at Whisper on the

501
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: book tour, someone gets murdered and then the whole thing.

502
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, and Alison bringes her agent in that one.

503
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 2: By the way, Oh that's funny. Yeah.

504
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 3: I do like talking about the old actors who you

505
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 3: were like didn't know at that point in time, and

506
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 3: then you come back and revisit and you're like, oh

507
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 3: my god, that's so and so and so and so.

508
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 3: That's my favorite like game to play with everyone because

509
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 3: no one really recognizes. And then I'm like, that person

510
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 3: wasn't this? That person wasn't that the being? Like maybe

511
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 3: the random character and supernatural that no one else saw.

512
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: Was like, they're for like fifteen seconds. But I love it, Like,

513
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,239
Speaker 3: good on them, good on them.

514
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 2: They made it can confirm Samantha does this.

515
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: I love it.

516
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: I was so lucky to watch this in a drive

517
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: through and just have a wonderful being experience with it

518
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: because the newest one starts out with trivia about the

519
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: STAB movies, because they always open with like, what's your

520
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 1: favorite scary movie? And then asking these questions, and this

521
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: one opens with Stab movie trivia, which is like meta

522
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: within meta, Like it's so and when she's scrolling Terras

523
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: scrolling through because she's kind of cheating and she's looking

524
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: on her phone and she's scrolling through the like IMDb page,

525
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: I was.

526
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,479
Speaker 2: Like, oh, yeah, the cast is a STAB and it's

527
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: like Heather Graham and David Swimmer and.

528
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: Luke right, I remember Luke Wilson and then Janna Pinkett

529
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: Smith was one of the actual characters in Scream in

530
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 3: the second one.

531
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: Correct, yes, yes, okay.

532
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: I try to remember all of that that was that

533
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 3: because she was the first death scene.

534
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: Second one.

535
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh, okay, okay, like they were the two

536
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,239
Speaker 3: like just like that Drew Barry Moore where they had

537
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 3: the big actors and you really think they're going to

538
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: be a part of the movie and then you're like, what.

539
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's I was thinking about that because we

540
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: were watching this together and we were talking about how

541
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: brutal the kills are in this new one. Yeah, but

542
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the first one in those are

543
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: pretty brutal, like the way.

544
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: Barry died that you won't But the thing is that

545
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: they usually like pan away and you hear it more

546
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,959
Speaker 3: so than anything else. On the newer stuff, they actually

547
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 3: show you, like the knife going through, so you're like,

548
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready, I will say. And

549
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 3: then going back to what you were saying about the trauma,

550
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 3: I do like the lead up into I Know You

551
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 3: You Again, Love Sydney, the character of Sydney, and then

552
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: the fifth one was a nice like I don't know

553
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: if it's about out as in like she might pop up,

554
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 3: but it's obvious this is no longer her story, and

555
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 3: that it's kind of where we all are with our trauma,

556
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 3: Like she definitely went through all of the steps. Seemingly

557
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: we never do see her go through therapy, but I

558
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 3: hope she did. But like just to the point of like,

559
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: all right, I'm here, I made it and I'm ready.

560
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 3: I will defend who I am and who you are.

561
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: Let's go.

562
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

563
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's one of the things I loved about it too,

564
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: because you know, there is all this commentary on franchises

565
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: and kind of the issue with franchises that we've talked

566
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: about also a lot where we can't let these characters go.

567
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: And I even if I love a character, I want them.

568
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 2: I want them to go be happy.

569
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: I don't want her, yes, And but I do love

570
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: how she came back and she gave advice and she

571
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: was kind of a steady like, yeah, I'm going to

572
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: be here for you, but it's not really like about me, right,

573
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: and which I really appreciate. And also I kind of

574
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: cracked up now knowing that she did marry Mark from

575
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: the third one, who was a detective. I can just

576
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: imagine him being like, are you serious You're going back?

577
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: Stop?

578
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 3: Please stop going back? Done this.

579
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: I can't believe I keep having to tell.

580
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 3: And so I'm yeah, Like you were saying that this

581
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: is becoming a new franchise ish with the same names. Again,

582
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: we've seen that with so many others, which is kind

583
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: of that meta talk within Scream. It was produced by

584
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: Kevin Williamson in this one as well, so it was

585
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 3: the same producer, new directors, obviously new writers. And you

586
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 3: are telling me that they did this because they loved

587
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 3: Scream and was like, hey, we would have an opportunity

588
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 3: to take another shot, here's take another stab. The fact

589
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 3: that Kevin Williamson was like, yeah, I'm cool with it,

590
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: let's go, and it was, like it said in memory

591
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: of Wes Craven. It was interesting to see that. But yeah,

592
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 3: I think it's I can't imagine how this can get

593
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: stretched out more. But I guess there's been enough time

594
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: that maybe the newer generation that have never seen Scream,

595
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: so they're gonna say a newer version and didn't go

596
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: back to the old one.

597
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, yeah, maybe I was thinking about that a

598
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: lot because one of the big fall downs with a

599
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: lot of horror movies when you adapt them to like

600
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: newer times, is we have new technology now and there's

601
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: like all these things that don't work anymore. They even

602
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: have a joke about that in Scream for like take

603
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,479
Speaker 1: a drink every time their cell phone mysteriously isn't working, like,

604
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: and yeah, they were huge fans and it this it's

605
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: so complicated. They they walked such a fine line because

606
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: there's very easily this could have gone wrong, and we've

607
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: seen that go that way and a lot of franchises actually,

608
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: but they like wrote this letter to Nev Campbell, like,

609
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: you know, it meant so much to us, well please

610
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: come back, because she was kind of like think I

611
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: might be done with this, and we talked about how

612
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: exhausting it is to be in a horror movie, especially

613
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: for a lot of these scream queens or women, like

614
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: it's very physically demanding, and she's been kind of like

615
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: I think I might be.

616
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: Done with the next one, which they did make room for.

617
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: As you said, they kind of were like she did

618
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: her thing, but she was still a background character in it, right.

619
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, they were huge fans, and that makes the

620
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: dialogue around toxic fandom all the more interesting because the

621
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: implication is that perhaps they didn't like the foreth line. Right,

622
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: Maybe that doesn't mean that at all, but it's just

623
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: it's hard not to with a movie so meta.

624
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: Right that you're kind of like, which, yes, I know

625
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about a little more in a bit,

626
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 3: but the whole like is talking about Star Wars fans like,

627
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 3: I don't know what's happened.

628
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: I don't.

629
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: I don't know what's happening. And by and by the way,

630
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: I have been drawn into that a little bit because

631
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: of you in that I get notifications about argument. Lord,

632
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but I'm like, it's happening. And yeah, you

633
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: kept explaining it was so excited. You are so excited

634
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: the face that you would make, do you see, I was.

635
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: So God, I'm getting excited just thinking about it. One

636
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: thing I did want to talk about, and we briefly

637
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: mentioned this in the Scream Queens one. There's a lot

638
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: of in the first one, especially for Sydney, trauma around sex.

639
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: So that whole thing where with Billy, he's pressuring her

640
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: to have sex from jump in that movie and she's

641
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: very like, no, we shouldn't, and you can tell she's trying,

642
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: like she feels like she should, that she has to,

643
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: but she's not comfortable with it. You actually never see

644
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: her breast, which is a weird thing to talk about,

645
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: but it's true. And these horror movies often you do

646
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: you don't for her.

647
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 3: Right, she flashes him. We just don't see it.

648
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't see it.

649
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: But and I find that like the whole conversation around

650
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: her mother being this slut and therefore I guess deserve

651
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: to die in the opinion of a lot of people.

652
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 2: And then she's taking that in and seeing like her mother.

653
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: Died and people are saying like, oh, she will, was

654
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: her miscuous and her having this trauma around that, and

655
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: then sort of being shamed for that, like having can't

656
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: you get over it? Like don't you want this? Stop

657
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: being so controlling? Take off your chastity bell. He says

658
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: something like.

659
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: That, right, which is just odd. It feels so, I mean,

660
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: these are.

661
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: Very they're making a commentary on on things, but all

662
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: always they're just kind of like a funny slasher movie.

663
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 2: They're like, they're not super deep.

664
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: But that feels very if she was this her mother

665
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: had died and it became this like national story. She's

666
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: being treated in these movies as if she is a

667
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: character a celebrity that you just or like people feel

668
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: like they can talk to her in any type of

669
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: way or treat her any type of way, which is

670
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: pretty messed up, and that would really mess with your head,

671
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: I can imagine.

672
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: Right right.

673
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 3: I mean that's what we talked about again with the

674
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 3: two crimes, Like when we see the stories and it's

675
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 3: not you start seeing them as a character instead of

676
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 3: real people and like going through that trauma. Of course

677
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 3: Sidney is a character. I know that's a whole different

678
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 3: thing again meta, but it is that conversation and I'm

679
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 3: really and I'm guessing that was part again about the

680
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 3: commentary of people's need for true crime, yeah, and celebrating it,

681
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 3: which is the weird party line.

682
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean if you haven't seen these movies,

683
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: like the Stab movies, within them, people like decorate, they

684
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: have like rocky.

685
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: Horror movie level audiences for it.

686
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: They have Stabathon and the fourth one, like these big

687
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 1: things and you know, just for a pretty tragic experience

688
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: that people are treating as entertainment, which is kind of

689
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: the whole thing in this one where the killers were like,

690
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: we don't like what stab eight, dude, so we're going

691
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: to create something better. And so it's like marring that

692
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: line between life and art and they have a whole

693
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: conversation about that in the second one, because usually I

694
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: think in everyone there's a killer, except maybe the third one,

695
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: there's a killer that's doing it for like the art

696
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: of it, a movie part of it, or the fame

697
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: of it, which is interesting. I do think there's an

698
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: interesting thing around women survivors in these because.

699
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: Sydney and Gaale make it through all of them. At

700
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 2: the end of this new one.

701
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: All the people that they show that are still standing

702
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: because other people did survive, but that are still standing

703
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: are women. And I was thinking about this because I

704
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: read an interesting statistic that kind of surprised me that

705
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: actually more men get killed in slasher movies, which doesn't

706
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: feel like my experience. But maybe I don't watch that

707
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: many slasher movies honestly, right, and there's some I like,

708
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, I.

709
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 3: Wonder if it's because the main victims, as we talk

710
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: about when vital girls have to be women. So if

711
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 3: she's slutty or she's perceived to be slutty, she has

712
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 3: to have a lot of extra men around that get

713
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: killed in our disposable So I wonder if that's the case.

714
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: I think that's a part of it. I think also,

715
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: you can always make the argument there are more men.

716
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: Around, yes, but the fourth one, I could be wrong,

717
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: but I feel like like two of the people who

718
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: died were men and everyone else was women.

719
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: It was I mean, I don't know.

720
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: That's just something that's been in my head because I

721
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: kind of didn't I was kind of shocked by that.

722
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: I did like the the in the newest one, like

723
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,959
Speaker 1: Sydney being the expert. There's a lot of jokes about

724
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: her being the original you don't with the original and

725
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: her still being pretty I don't know.

726
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: I kind of like her groundedness about it, almost like.

727
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: She's still open and she's still trying to like help

728
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: people and comfort people, but she's also clearly tired of it.

729
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, No, like I said, like it

730
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 3: just became like, oh this again, I've been through this.

731
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: I'm good, right, right, And then we've already kind of

732
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: mentioned this. But I find it really fascinating that these.

733
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: Movies were the killings.

734
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: In these movies were kicked off by the idea that

735
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: her mom was a slut.

736
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 3: Right Well, we talked about this when we were talking

737
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 3: about mothers in general when it comes to horror and

738
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 3: any of that John Brenon's always whether it's protecting someone

739
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 3: or they did something wrong, or they cursed the family somehow,

740
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 3: and it's always the evil thing is the mother or

741
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 3: began by the mother, which again you and I've been

742
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 3: talking about that's a theme all around, whether it is

743
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: a horror movie or not, and the stronghold of the

744
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: mother being the basis of whatever, either trauma or whatever

745
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: incident or whatever is the next plot line to come through,

746
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: which is interesting.

747
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because like, not only do you have you

748
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: have Sidney's mom, Maureen, who.

749
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: Went to Hollywood before all of.

750
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: This happens, went to like this room where essentially she

751
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: got sexually assaulted by big producers in Hollywood. Then, in

752
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: the words of the killer and the third one who

753
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: is her son, that made her a slut. It knit

754
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: and therefore she was sleeping around in Woodsboro, including with

755
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: Billy's dad, and.

756
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: That set off what is it nine serial killers? I

757
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: was counting last night. I think it's nine. A lot

758
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: of serial killers.

759
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: Right for this one event, and they're all kind of

760
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: it all comes back to her mom, in heavy quotes,

761
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: being a slug, right, which again, it seems like there

762
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: were a lot of men to blame this formula.

763
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 3: Right, but we don't. We don't acknowledge that.

764
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: No, No, it's her fault.

765
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: And then in the second one, like The Killers, Billy

766
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: Loomis's mom, as I said, and she even says, it's

767
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: always blamed the mother. It's always about blaming the other.

768
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: And then Sydney's like, well, literally are killing me?

769
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 3: Trying to kill me? Now? So if you hadn't been

770
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 3: doing that, maybe she had an argument.

771
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, But and again we're gonna come back to this.

772
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: It's it's weird because, like I said, Scream three, I

773
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 1: think is all about Harvey Weinstein. And so if you'd

774
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: like take the meadow one step further, it's like this

775
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: whole thing was started by you. Oh okay, anyway. Then

776
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: there are the rules, which is always a key part

777
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: a hit in these movies. I love all of the rules,

778
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: laying down the rules scenes. So the old rules were

779
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: very like no sexo drugs, no alcohol, don't say I'll

780
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: be back. And it does feel it's very moralistic and

781
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: it's very especially for like I feel like for women,

782
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: is the having sex one. Specifically I could be wrong,

783
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: but I feel like generally it's sort of viewed as

784
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: like women you don't have sex, Yeah, you stay virginal,

785
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: so you might be able to be this final girl character.

786
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: And then in the new one there's a lot of

787
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: commentary when it comes to the new rules. There's a

788
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: lot of commentary around fantom and elevated horror, and.

789
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 2: It feels less.

790
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, it feels less moralistic and more like

791
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: fan culture commentary to me.

792
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: There is a weird.

793
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: Line in the fourth one where they're like, if you're gay,

794
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,959
Speaker 1: you will survive, and I was like, what, I don't

795
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: know about that?

796
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 3: Is it because the queer community have been excluded from

797
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 3: this genre in general, So.

798
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: I don't know.

799
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: I like, I'm very I feel like, even if I

800
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: don't watch a lot of harmy, a lot of Slashers,

801
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 1: I'm very I know a lot of the horror lingo

802
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: with tropes. I wasn't sure what they were. I'm sure

803
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: there's something they're referring to, whether it's like whether it

804
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: stands up or not. I'm sure there's an actual thing,

805
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: but yeah, maybe it is that. Maybe it's just there

806
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: haven't been queer characters so right, But then.

807
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: They got out their caricatures and kind of dismissed.

808
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: Sure, or the guy right before he dies in the

809
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: fourth one, it's like, but I'm gay and the killer

810
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: kills him anyway, So.

811
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 3: You want me to watch the fourth one? Huh?

812
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: Yes, only once.

813
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 1: Something else I've noticed in watching these is there's always

814
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: a creepy boyfriend character who's acting stalkery to one of

815
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: the female victims. Like in Everyone, there's a character where

816
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: she's like, Oh, it's Ted again, isn't it? Or Oh,

817
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: it's Wess again, isn't it? And like that's one of

818
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: the ways they build up that it could be anybody.

819
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 1: Everybody's a suspect. But I do think it's like interesting

820
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: and kind of upsetting again that this is something we

821
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: sort of accept, is the reality that a woman would

822
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: have kind of this stalker boyfriend that people.

823
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: Are like, it's probably him, right, Yeah.

824
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: And there's one line from the new one that stuck

825
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: out to me where the killer Ritchie is sort of

826
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: commenting on that, and he's commenting on the new the

827
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: new rules, and he says, I guess being a sexually

828
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: available woman is supposed to be empowering these days, which

829
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: he's a really toxic fanboy he is.

830
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but by the way I had to point out

831
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 3: to you that this was Dennis Quaid and make grin.

832
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: Yes, son again with your little trimmy of bits. I

833
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: was like, there's definitely some ableism going on in all

834
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: of them, whether it's like especially around mental health, because

835
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: I feel like every one of them has a killer

836
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: who is in heavy quotes, mentally unsabled. And then in

837
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: this new one, which I find horror movies do this

838
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: a lot, they have this red herring of oh, she's

839
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: taking pills, this might be her, which is already like

840
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: mental health already has a huge to go on it.

841
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 2: Right, not helping.

842
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then something else I've been thinking on. I've

843
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: thought about this a lot because Gail is a very

844
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: ambitious woman.

845
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: She's very very ambitious.

846
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: It is painted like she's kind of a cold ice queen,

847
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: and it's a weird thing because she kind of is,

848
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: but also like she's an ambitious woman and she really

849
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: goes far. Like in this new one, she's in New York,

850
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: she's working on Good Morning America. She really made it,

851
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: and you know, the implication is she lost kind of

852
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: these personal connections. But then it's revealed Dewey is the one,

853
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah that left her because he couldn't handle New York

854
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: and couldn't support her and had to come back to Woodsboro.

855
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: So I just think that's sort of an interesting part

856
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: of that too. I don't feel like she's I don't know,

857
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: maybe that's a personal thing.

858
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: I don't feel like she's villainized.

859
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: No, I agree with you as a person who was

860
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 3: outside of this frame and when you were the original

861
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 3: take of who gel was. Even like in the second one,

862
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 3: you know, she's building up money and being kind of

863
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 3: seen as an icon and whatever. This one she just

864
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: kind of just is like she's maintained her space. So

865
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 3: just kind of like the same Sydney.

866
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 2: All of them have.

867
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 3: Grown up, figured out themselves and what they wanted and

868
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 3: gotten to a point that they're happy or at least content, yeah,

869
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 3: and satisfies with what they had. The one thing we

870
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 3: find out is, yes, Dewey is the most unsatisfied. There's

871
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 3: so many things that happened with him, and he just

872
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 3: felt like he couldn't be what she needed that point,

873
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 3: which could be a conversation about mel fragility, and he

874
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 3: just to the point that he had to prove himself

875
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 3: by killing himself as a hero. Like that's the whole thing,

876
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: Like hmm, that's a commentary in it, but what and whatnot?

877
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 3: And then yeah, like having her come in and be

878
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 3: like I don't need this anymore. But it took her

879
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 3: a long time, and it took her to the point

880
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 3: of being the white female who was like, yeah, but

881
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 3: I did get to use it for a long time

882
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 3: and I'm okay, now I.

883
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: Don't have to.

884
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

885
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: I mean she certainly there are things she did that

886
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: were not great. I'm not saying that at all, like

887
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: she in Sydney's story. She definitely was like use Dewey's

888
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: story kind of hurt feelings by writing about MSFP was

889
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: real bad, which she was kind of in her fairness

890
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: to her, I think they did a good job at

891
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: making her complex. I guess like she had these flaws

892
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 1: and she also had growth, like she and she said

893
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 1: like we could make it work.

894
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 2: We could have done it. You didn't have to leave,

895
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: like so I thought that was good.

896
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: And also I like seeing the evolution of the relationship

897
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: between her and Sydney, which started out very antagonistic and

898
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 1: very cat fighty into like a friendship and like a

899
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: mutual respect. Also there's the theme of not believing women.

900
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: I know, I've talked about it a million times, but

901
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: in the second one, when she plays Cassandra, she has

902
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: that whole thing, which if you don't know, Cassandra's this

903
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: character who's like cursed to see that.

904
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 2: Doom was coming and no one would believe her.

905
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: But that's prevalent throughout, especially like after people think Sydney

906
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: so traumatized, often they just dismissed her like you've been.

907
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 3: Through a lot, so calm down.

908
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 2: Where she's like, yes, I happened to a lot, and

909
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: I know what this is. So that's throughout.

910
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: And then I really like the how it turned out

911
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: between Tara and Samantha and the new one where they

912
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: were kind of playing up maybe Tar as the killer,

913
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: and then they have that scene where Samantha hesitates in

914
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: untying her, but then she did and they kind of

915
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: rebuild their sisterhood and their relationships.

916
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 2: So I really liked that they did that.

917
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: And then, yes, toxic fandom, so almost every movie has

918
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: a fan of horror movies that is the Killer and

919
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 1: perhaps particularly is a fan of the Stab movies. And yeah,

920
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: there are a lot of references throughout two horror movies

921
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: and horror movies that they love. And there's a line

922
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: in this new one where the killer Richie says, how

923
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: can fandom be toxic?

924
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: It's about love.

925
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, they're like killing people, right, Yeah, so that might

926
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: be toxic right there.

927
00:48:59,480 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 3: Right.

928
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: But as you said, Samantha, I was very, very excited

929
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: about this whole Mary Sue Star Wars connection because they

930
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: are it's a very it's a pretty pointed commentary about

931
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: Star Wars fandom and Star Wars fans, especially after The

932
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: Last Jedi and Ryan Johnson. I keep saying, I go

933
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: back and forth between Ryan and Ree and I apologize.

934
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: He even commented on it and knives out it was

935
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: it was such a huge thing, which again he directed

936
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: the Last Jedi and.

937
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 3: Her.

938
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: That's why I was happy when he I found out

939
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: he was in it, which to me means he must

940
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: have co signed, like they asked him.

941
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 2: He co signed on it. He was on board.

942
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 1: Because there's a joke in there where Randy's niece Mendy

943
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: makes fun of Live for liking the eighth Stab because

944
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: it means you have no taste.

945
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: So I was confused. I was like, well, wait, what

946
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: are we saying? Do you hate the last Jedi.

947
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 3: Do you like this? She literally went back and said, wait,

948
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,959
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't tell that for like being real

949
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 3: and really actually mad or are they just joking? What

950
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 3: is happening? Is this tongue in cheek or not? Should

951
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 3: I be.

952
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 2: Embroiled?

953
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 3: I was so.

954
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: So confused.

955
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: So the fact that he's involved makes me think that

956
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: at least it was self aware that the toxic fandom

957
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: backlash to that was terrible. It was awful, and it

958
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: control what happened. It actually did influence what happened in

959
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: the next Star Wars movie, which a lot of people are,

960
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: including me, say, it doesn't make sense based on what

961
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 1: you did in the last Jedi Like they completely because

962
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: the backlash was so strong, they did something completely different, right,

963
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: which is what they're talking about in this with the

964
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: hated Stab eight.

965
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 2: So they were trying to make staffy.

966
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 3: What is that? What did they call this?

967
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: This is a recal? Yah? Yes, they wanted to make

968
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: a requal.

969
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: But I do love that Samantha's character echoes Ray's character

970
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: from Star Wars and Ray, yeah, she has this like

971
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 1: evil thing they reveal which everybody, pretty much everyone hated.

972
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: I won't say everybody, but pretty much everyone hated, and

973
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: then that Palpatino was her grandfather or uncle.

974
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: Oh, I could get into that, but it's very complicated.

975
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 3: Well, could I just put in here? Every time I

976
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 3: heard them say hello Samantha in the little phone call,

977
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,479
Speaker 3: I was like, Nope, not a fan of that. Don't

978
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 3: like that at all.

979
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: I know, and I was like, what could I use

980
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 2: this word? I would never do it because they always

981
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 2: do that in the movie and then they get killed.

982
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 3: So I would never till you would be the one

983
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 3: killed on me.

984
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: It would be me, okay, no, no, you would die

985
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 1: and then I would think you were pranking me because

986
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: I had pranked you, and then I would die.

987
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 2: That's what can happen. Yeah, it would be good.

988
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 3: Let's not have this. Let's not have this. Not that

989
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 3: I would want to any other way, would still let's

990
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 3: not do that.

991
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 2: Yes, but I do love.

992
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: I love at the end when she's like never with

993
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: the daughter of a serial killer, that's kind of like

994
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: it felt to me like saying to Star Wars fans like, hey,

995
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: Ray could have gone a whole different.

996
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 2: Way, you guys, like she could have killed everybody.

997
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: Kind of it felt like a weird, cathartic way of

998
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: giving Ray a moment to just break down and lose it.

999
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: This could just be me being a Star Wars fan,

1000
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: but I think that they kind of were leaning into that,

1001
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: like this.

1002
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, calm down, this has gone a whole different way.

1003
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And then I'm not going to go too

1004
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: deep into this right now because I think I would

1005
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: like to do a whole episode on this, on the

1006
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: portrayal of women villains, and I was just I was

1007
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: kind of like trying to go through all the killers

1008
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: because there's have been three women who are killers in

1009
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: these and I was trying to see if, like there

1010
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: was any big difference between when they when a woman

1011
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: is the killer versus a man, and I was like,

1012
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: I feel like they're more kind of emotional relationship base.

1013
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 1: But that's that didn't turn out to be true really,

1014
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: so I'm still thinking on it. But I do have

1015
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts about women who are killers, but

1016
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: also in these kind of not just horror movies, but

1017
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: in movies when a woman is in any way annoying

1018
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: or a killer or annoying, but any like anything we

1019
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: don't like about her, she doesn't have enough depth really

1020
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: that were very like gleeful when she dies, and usually

1021
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: the death is more violent and dramatic, right, because so

1022
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: you haven't seen the fourth one, but Alison Breeze sort

1023
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: of similar, like she's really annoying.

1024
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 2: She's not the killer, but like when she dies.

1025
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: It's sort of like serves her right, like right, And

1026
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: that's again that's a wider issue than just these movies

1027
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: and just horror that like Jurassic World when the woman

1028
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: who's taking care of her kids, that's my favorite example,

1029
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: Like this is too much like she was as far

1030
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 1: as she had a right to be a little annoyed

1031
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: by this.

1032
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 3: I will say I am that person to be like, Okay,

1033
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 3: you did that stupid thing. I did that with a

1034
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 3: dude who was the twin dude who was following her phone.

1035
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 3: I'm like, Libra, you're going into the bushes, You're gonna

1036
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 3: get cut. Yes, there it goes like he survived, but

1037
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 3: I was still like, come on, y'all, come on, don't

1038
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 3: do this. Did you feel at any point this is

1039
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 3: just a random question that because for a minute it

1040
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 3: makes you think that Amber is in love with Tara. Yeah,

1041
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 3: that it was a bit queer, baby, was that me, Mike?

1042
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 3: Because like there's definitely there is a little bit of

1043
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 3: like queer relationships. The twin sister obviously has an interest,

1044
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 3: uh with that girl on the couch. They talked about

1045
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 3: They're gonna make out any moment, which is fine, but

1046
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 3: it felt why did they lean that way to make

1047
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 3: her like? Was it to make you be unsuspecting so

1048
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 3: that you wouldn't think that it was her? But I

1049
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 3: figured it out all that to say that it wasn't her?

1050
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 3: Or was that just like an unnecessarily throw in?

1051
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: I I picked up on that too, I thought, And

1052
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: I thought about that because I was like, were they

1053
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: trying to imply she was like this really possessive, perhaps

1054
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: in love with Tara friend or is it more like

1055
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: she just really was there when Sam left and has

1056
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: kind of like.

1057
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 2: Really didn't like her, right?

1058
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 1: So I definitely see that, and I think her character

1059
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: throughout has moments where you're sort of like, huh, I

1060
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: thought she.

1061
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 3: Was a throw in. That was what threw me off

1062
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 3: was because what we didn't talk about earlier in the

1063
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,479
Speaker 3: plot was that she had discovered that she was living

1064
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 3: in Stoo Mocker's home, and then that pushed her into

1065
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 3: researching all the stab stuff and falling in like to

1066
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 3: an obsession to it, and that's why how she met

1067
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 3: Richie was trying to research everything and really getting caught

1068
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 3: up in it. But then like, yeah, the other part

1069
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 3: is that. But the friendship was obviously real because that

1070
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 3: was one of the longest lasting friendships. I don't even

1071
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 3: think the twins were really involved as much as much

1072
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 3: as Amber, because the twins didn't really know the backstory

1073
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 3: of why Sam left or what happened between say Sam

1074
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 3: and Tara.

1075
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: But Ambrad, Yeah, I well, this is something else I

1076
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: want to talk about when we whenever we do our

1077
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: women villains.

1078
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: One is I think, you know, a lot of times

1079
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 2: the woman who is the.

1080
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: Villain, it's sort of the like support to the male villain.

1081
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: But that's not the case in the second one at all.

1082
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: But like, I think there's a power elements that she

1083
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: really enjoyed, and I feel like in a lot of

1084
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: these movies and like my skin is crawling just thinking

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Speaker 1: about it, but like there's a power element to playing

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Speaker 1: people like they don't know what to you, ha ha

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Speaker 1: ha ha.

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Speaker 2: So I felt like she was sort of leaning into that.

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Speaker 1: But it does like in the last one, the killer

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Speaker 1: is one of Sydney's cousins, as I said, and her

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Speaker 1: alibi is like the one I hate the most where

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00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: it's like I want to be the new Sydney, but

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00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: it's kind of that thing where, yeah, both of them,

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Speaker 1: it felt sort of like you're really throwing under this

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Speaker 1: woman under the bus who's you purportedly care about.

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Speaker 3: Right, There's a whole thing to that too, like his age.

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Speaker 3: And I know this is just me, but I cannot

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00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 3: handle watching inappropriate ages being hooked together and I hate it.

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Speaker 3: I actually will go to the depth of finding out

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Speaker 3: their real ages to make sure it was appropriate. Like

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Speaker 3: it just gets underneath my skin so badly. Because he's

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Speaker 3: supposed to be a teenager, sixteen maybe right in high school.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like like they're too much older. They're

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Speaker 3: still in high school obviously, and in my head it

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Speaker 3: was like sixteen, maybe seventeen, and then he's supposed to

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Speaker 3: be in college, if not out of college, and they

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Speaker 3: hooked up, and I'm like, there's a lot to this.

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Speaker 3: I don't like. This makes my and maybe I'm also

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00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 3: at the age of like if I watch any romance

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Speaker 3: scenes with kids under like twenty, I immediately like, no,

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Speaker 3: uncomfortable because I shouldn't be watching this. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe anybody under thirty.

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Speaker 1: I'll have to rewatch because I kind of was like,

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Speaker 1: they have a weird thing going on, but there's no

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Speaker 1: the no like physical romance happening for sure.

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Speaker 3: Well, they yelling at each other saying, yeah, baby, are

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Speaker 3: you okay? Are you okay?

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Speaker 1: Baby?

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Speaker 3: Like they they're.

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Speaker 2: Obviously I wonder if he's like a groomer though I

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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I was supposed to be the conversation too, I

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Speaker 3: don't know, but it was just it just made me

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Speaker 3: like really unsubtled. I was like, not a fan, not

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Speaker 3: a fan.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's also like a throwback to Samantha's

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00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: mom presumably was much older than Billy Lumos.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: And then very briefly I did mention that the first

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Speaker 1: four films are executive produced by Harvey Weinstein, and after

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Speaker 1: all the sexual allegations against him and the coach of

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00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: the Weinstein company, Spyglass Media Group purchased the rights to

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Speaker 1: the franchise, promising to nether make another that lasted for

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Speaker 1: all of one year, and they changed their mine. Interestingly,

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Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein wanted them to make the fifth one an

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Speaker 1: end it prior to all the stuff coming out about him,

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Speaker 1: and that kind of surprised me because I.

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Speaker 2: Would be like after the third one maybe.

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Speaker 1: But I guess he was very comfortable and that he

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Speaker 1: could continue to get away with things. But you know,

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Speaker 1: we talked about that in the Scream. Queen's one is

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Speaker 1: Rose McGowan a year later is when she alleged she

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Speaker 1: was raped by him, and then the whole thing with

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00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: the third one, and I know some of the cast

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00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: and crew have spoken out about it, so yeah, that's

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00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 1: a whole thing too when it comes to the meta

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00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: part and of these movies and like having that in

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Speaker 1: the back of your head when you're watching, especially the

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Speaker 1: third one, but all of them. Right, Yeah, Wow, Well

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Speaker 1: that was fun. I had a good time.

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Speaker 3: Oh good, good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you were so excited.

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Speaker 1: I was, and I could keep going and going. But

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Speaker 1: it's already too long, So I recommend it if you

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Speaker 1: haven't seen it. I know slasher movies aren't for everybody,

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Speaker 1: so understand that, but if you're in any way interested,

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Speaker 1: I recommend it. And as always, if you have movies

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Speaker 1: suggestions for us, we would love to get them. You

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Speaker 1: can email us at stuffan You, mom Stuff at iHeartMedia

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Speaker 1: dot com. You can find us on Twitter at mom

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Speaker 1: Stuff Podcast or on Instagram at stuff I've Never Told You.

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Speaker 1: Thanks as always to our super producer Christina, Thank you,

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