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Speaker 2: welcome and introduce Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody? Lots of good fights this weekend. Actually,

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Speaker 1: and finally, BC, it's a weekend where the box is

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Speaker 2: Pretty Finally, step one, open the box, right, step three,

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Speaker 2: put put your Yeah, we've seen that skit before, Luke.

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Speaker 2: I can't get my camera level and it's affected my

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Speaker 1: Gonna see your I don't I don't know what you're

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you, and I will.

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Speaker 1: Say this, you look a little out of focus though.

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Speaker 2: Even in fights one and two, Gluffkin just couldn't find

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Speaker 2: it has always been. And you've already fought brilliantly in

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Speaker 2: two fights, I mean, he's a killer with that left

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Speaker 2: He landed eight body punches in the first fight, six

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Speaker 2: body punches in the second, and was almost exclusively a headhunter.

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Speaker 2: Do you see any potential there where he can offset

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Speaker 1: I actually think that the body punching in both directions

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Speaker 1: I thought, Marada visibly hurt triple g to the body where.

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Speaker 2: It got me nervous, It got me you know, he.

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Speaker 1: the same consideration, and reverse Canelo is kind of Canelo

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Speaker 1: And to him, it's to get a guy to stop

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Speaker 1: That's not really a major consideration here. Most of the

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Speaker 1: But the output, the durability, what they can give to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more, and particularly you know,

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Speaker 2: the Canelo's evolution. As I mentioned to a body destroyer,

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Speaker 2: I thought Triple G also got hurt to the body

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Speaker 2: Heading into that second fight, we all believe Triple G

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Speaker 2: if you couldn't leave no doubt on the judges the

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Speaker 2: cell for years, Luke with you know underneath call me

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: But the other guys had it pretty damn close too.

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Speaker 2: just leaving off the table a potential great opportunity. Luke,

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Speaker 2: I gotta like Canelo's power shots more. The body shots

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Speaker 2: And right now, separate from Triple G's body just falling

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Speaker 2: if not dirty Triple G. I know that's so easy

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he has in him, you know,

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Speaker 1: Whatever views you might have, I don't know that most

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Speaker 2: Nailed it.

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Speaker 1: He wants to win in the way that he has

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Speaker 2: You disagree, No, I said you nailed it. You nailed

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Speaker 2: the problem right now, Louke.

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Speaker 1: So so what do you make of that? You agree that,

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Speaker 1: an easy way. I'm sure he wants to get over

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Speaker 2: That part of it is just maybe like a stubbornness

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Speaker 2: And by the way, it is if you are you know,

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00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 2: strong enough and you've got an accurate, quick job, and

434
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,439
Speaker 2: you can keep that in his face, and you got

435
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 2: a great chance. I mean, it's rare to find this

436
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 2: this you know in that regard. But Luke, I think

437
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,159
Speaker 2: that's to a problem, to a fault he carries that.

438
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,639
Speaker 2: What I mean is, dude, that Danny Jacob's fight, we

439
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 2: gotta be honest, was really damn close at MSG in

440
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. He dropped Jacobs early. It looked like it

441
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,439
Speaker 2: was going to be a you know, a knockout, and

442
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,199
Speaker 2: Danny Jacobs, for his credit, bit down, came back and

443
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,200
Speaker 2: landed some bombs. Do you know what I hated about

444
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 2: that fight, which I scored a draw at ringside, was

445
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,879
Speaker 2: I didn't see Triple G in the second half find

446
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 2: any level of urgency that says, look, this fight's probably

447
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 2: closer than it should be right now. You know, I

448
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 2: might need another knockdown just to leave no doubt. Look,

449
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 2: it was the same job, yeah, I mean, it was

450
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 2: the same thing. And dude, it was the same thing

451
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 2: in both Canalo fights. Even though I scored both for

452
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 2: Triple G. I thought the plan actually worked, but I

453
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 2: didn't see that that extra flip of the switch. He's

454
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 2: got that flip when he's got you hurt. Triple G

455
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 2: is a menace when it comes to getting people out

456
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 2: of there with you know, frightening combinations or one big

457
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 2: shot all that. But is that stubborn miss Luke? Is

458
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 2: it ignorance? What is it where we just haven't seen

459
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,400
Speaker 2: Triple G in close fights? Darvin Chenko he was more

460
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 2: active late, but still he got hurt late in that fight.

461
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,639
Speaker 2: I don't see that as part of his personality. So

462
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 2: if I'm asking him to fight dirty in the inside,

463
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 2: I'm also really saying I'm gonna need you to go

464
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 2: for broke. He doesn't necessarily ever.

465
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 1: Do that, right, No, I think he No, I don't

466
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 1: think he does that at all. He he he doesn't

467
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 1: have a little bit that Tyson Fury kind of flexibility

468
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: in style, flexibility in approach, flexibility in in in his

469
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 1: mind set, his mind framed, so to speak. Heading into

470
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 1: this contest, he has what he believes is the better

471
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 1: skill set and he wants to bring that to bear.

472
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 1: And again, I think he wants to sort of set

473
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 1: an example like you can do things the proper way,

474
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: whatever that means to him. I think he sees a

475
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 1: certain nobility in his style, a certain professionalism, and a

476
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 1: certain obviously devastation in his style as well. And so

477
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 1: for all those reasons, it just seems to me like

478
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: when he talks about what he wants to do and

479
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: what his aims are, they have to be done under yes,

480
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: what he can do, and the principles that undergird that,

481
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 1: which he sort of sees as like, you know, I

482
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: don't know if a gentleman's boxing is the right way

483
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: to put it, but again, a certain kind of professional

484
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: approach that he sees as superior to the other ones.

485
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 1: I think to him, some guys see like, oh, you

486
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 1: got to get dirty in the clinch, and they're like,

487
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: that's just another tool I can add. I think he

488
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: sees that as a departure from his vision of himself,

489
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: and for that reason, he can't really seem to go

490
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 1: to those places.

491
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: Because I've made a lot of my analysis heading into

492
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 2: this fight about what glove Can needs to do. But

493
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: that's there's a reason for that, right He's the now

494
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 2: the heavier underdog, He's the older guy who were really

495
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 2: asking him to do herculean things here. But part of

496
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: the romanticism of playing that up was the constant comparisons

497
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: you see the boxing hardcores and me like making to

498
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 2: Marquez Pacio four. There is a difference in temperament from

499
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 2: you know one man Wall Marcus triple G as we

500
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: just mentioned you know one also Luke, if we're being fair,

501
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 2: went to the top of a pharmacy mountain, you know,

502
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 2: and conquered it, right, I mean, he really conquered it.

503
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: But to the credit of this idea of this third

504
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 2: fight potentially potentially being just wildly different, like Pacquio Marquez four,

505
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 2: which was a brawl, was bral an angry brawl in

506
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 2: some ways, not sloppy, right, but an angry brawl was

507
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: that shock the shit out of us right now. You

508
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 2: had to have a Marquez who was willing, and he was,

509
00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 2: but you know, when he dropped Pacquiao in round two,

510
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 2: that was like, oh my god, I don't think I've

511
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: ever seen Pacyoga drop before. This is wild. Canelo's not,

512
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: you know, thirty seven thirty eight, where Pacchio was at

513
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,239
Speaker 2: that point, even though Manny was still like number two

514
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 2: pounds for pound, does triple g need to catch him

515
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 2: with something big or it's you're not You're not gonna

516
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: win this fight after that early? Like does he have

517
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 2: to drop him early? Like what does he have to do, Luke, because.

518
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: I think I don't. I don't think any punctuated moment

519
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: is gonna be enough. It has to be consistent, you know,

520
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: not every round. Obviously that's impossible. Canelo's gonna get his

521
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 1: pound of flesh. But honestly, if you're gonna beat him,

522
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 1: you gotta beat him for the most part early, for

523
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 1: the most part in the middle, and then for the

524
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: most part down the stretch. It just has to be

525
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: better for longer, much longer periods of the entire duration

526
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: of the bout. I just don't see. I mean again,

527
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: not gonna cut Canelo down. Could be decisive, right, it

528
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: could be really big. But I just feel like if

529
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 1: he hoping I'm gonna win the first six or something like,

530
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 1: that's not enough. Every round he has to go in

531
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: there and do his absolute goddamn best.

532
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 2: And just a reminder, Canelo has never been down as

533
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: a pro. Got wobbled visibly like once against Miguel Coto's

534
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 2: older brother A long ass time ago. I do believe that,

535
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 2: like like, I think Camnello is right at the mountain

536
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 2: top of his prime. You know, he was just you know,

537
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 2: just the poumper bound king. He's still mine. He's thirty two.

538
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: But because he started so early, Luke, we do have

539
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 2: to be under the possibility that he's you know, deeper

540
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: down the beginning of the decline, not that it's going

541
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: to fall the side of the cliff, but a natural decline.

542
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: Then maybe we want to because we just watched him

543
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: be a superhero the last couple of years. But yet

544
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: even at thirty two, Luke, I mean, he's not only

545
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 2: never been down, dude, he's walking down light heavyweights with

546
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: big shots. He knocked certain cove left the hell out.

547
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 2: I know Covid lit was old and a little chinny,

548
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: but but you get the point. Canello, it's not only

549
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: younger and more in his prime. He is a much

550
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: more dangerous and different fighter since the beginning of their series. So, Luke,

551
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: we established that going to the body, not just early,

552
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: but pretty much often and all the time would be

553
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: a great plan for Canelo because it's probably the only

554
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,719
Speaker 2: way you can really hurt Triple G and you can

555
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 2: certainly pull on that guess tank and wear him down

556
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 2: and make him feel old. What else should be Canelo's

557
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: game plan, mindset or maybe something to watch out for

558
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 2: as this fight develops, because Triple G will always have

559
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 2: the power, and he's always going to have that you know,

560
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 2: old Legend's got that one more great performance left, right.

561
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: I don't know how much he's got left in that cup,

562
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: but if we can get him to pour it out,

563
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: Canelo does have to be careful. How does he do

564
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: it the second half of this fight?

565
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, the other part has got to be taken away.

566
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: Triple G's jab. I mean everything flows from that. He

567
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: is a much different fight, a significantly different fighter if

568
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: he can't really build attacks or volume behind the jab. Canelo,

569
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: on the other hand, probably is a somewhat diminished version

570
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: of himself. But I think he can still get the

571
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: job done without necessarily being able to and his job

572
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: all that consistently. Now, whether that's true against Triple G

573
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: is a slightly different matter, but I'm speaking in generalities here.

574
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: To me, the job is critical critical for Triple G.

575
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: It really is the centerpiece of his offense. It is

576
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: the nucleus. Everything comes from that. And so to the

577
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: extent you can, for example, as we mentioned, go to

578
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: the body to deter it. He has to basically take

579
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: it away. Now what does that mean. That means you

580
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: could block it so it doesn't land. That means you

581
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,239
Speaker 1: could slip it and counter it so that he has

582
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: to think twice before using it. It could mean that

583
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: you hurt him to the body, so he's not as

584
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: willing to throw. All of these things work in tandem

585
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: to then diminish the output and the effectiveness and the

586
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: functional value of the job. But that is job number

587
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 1: one of Canelo countering. Countering a guy like U triple

588
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: g without, you know, without making use of countering the

589
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: jab is just very very difficult to do. If his

590
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: job is pumping, so many other things are working in

591
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: conjunction with it. It doesn't take much for him to

592
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: get going, by the way, a thirty second period where

593
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: the job begins to work and all of a sudden

594
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: he lands, you know, some kind of thudding uppercut or

595
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: difficult body shot himself. He really doesn't need a whole

596
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: lot of space to get that thing rolling downhill, so

597
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: to speak. So to me, it's absolutely taken that away

598
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: and the other part was from the second fight. I

599
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: go back to it again. What you'll see him do

600
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: is he had a bit of a wider stance at times,

601
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: which would enable him to lean his weight onto his

602
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: back foot but not take a bunch of steps away.

603
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: He didn't have to majorly circle out and then give

604
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 1: ground to Triple G. Triple G is also a significantly

605
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: different fighter when he is being backed up versus doing

606
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: the backing up. Now, sometimes that is an overstated phenomenon

607
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: combat sports. You often see people overstate the value of that.

608
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: But in Triple G's case, a guy who from the

609
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: jab backs opponents up, puts their backs on the ropes,

610
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: and then does ungodly things to him, those two things

611
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: have to be taken away, the jab and the forward movement.

612
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: You must counter them.

613
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: And which brings up a different interesting question here if

614
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: that does happen all these scenarios where we want to

615
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: romantically activate this old superhero, George Furman version of Gnati

616
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 2: Glofkin was hitting the roadblocks of our perceived you know,

617
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 2: his stubbornness, his his one track mind. In that regard, look,

618
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: Luke not much separates the greats from the all time greats,

619
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: but Canello's ability to make the adjustments he did in

620
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: the second fight and being willing to take on the

621
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: toll of those punches to do so is the difference

622
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: in this series, maybe just as much as now the

623
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: age difference. But Triple G has yet to show that.

624
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: So we're gonna give him the opportunity and fight three

625
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: and say, are you really that guy? Right? Because this

626
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: is this is your moment. You know you can almost

627
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: fix You can fix all the divots in the road,

628
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: and Triple G's had one and a half of them, right,

629
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: the draw and the loss. You can fix it all

630
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: with a Tom Brady win here, There's no question about that.

631
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: But Luke, what if his plan A, which is such,

632
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: which is everything to him does get taken away early.

633
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 2: Let's say in the first three four rounds, Canelo is

634
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: accurately countering off of that jab so hard that Triple

635
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 2: G's now lowering his output. I don't think he could

636
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: get to that point on his own willingly to activate

637
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: the let's go for broke. But if he gets hurt

638
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: and we're not even into the second half of this fight,

639
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: will a fight or flight instinct happen? And if it does,

640
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: does that is that the romantic opening for him to

641
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: have this Marquez four, you know, moment of hurting Canelo

642
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: and pulling himself back into this fight. Does Canelo have

643
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: to take him there? Meaning can Canelo have too much

644
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: success here in the first half where he can end

645
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: up walking into something big?

646
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: Luke, I do think that. I mean, you know, I

647
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: don't know what you make of it, and I know

648
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: what folks are gonna say, Oh, sour grapes and this,

649
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: that and the other. But you were listening. I was

650
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: listening to Ryan Garcia talk about this fight, and again

651
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: take that very much with a grain of salt. But

652
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: one thing he did say that does seem at least

653
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: worthy of thinking about more was that he said Canelo

654
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: looks unusually angry and unfocused. Now how unfocused he looks,

655
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he does look unusually angry. I

656
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: would say, even he just seems way more dismissive than

657
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: even the second time they fought. I don't think he

658
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 1: wanted this fight. I don't think he feels like he

659
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: needs it. And I think to your point that you've raised,

660
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: you know a lot of times on this show, I

661
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: think he fucking hates triple G's guts in a way

662
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: that he that he hates anybody else's. I mean, he

663
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: truly just can't stand the guy. If he does have

664
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: success and if he does let his guard down. You

665
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: saw this wreck a round five of the second fight

666
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: when he began to get away from his own JAB

667
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: a little bit, which was a bit of a problem

668
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: for him. You know, does he open up a window

669
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: where triple G can then walk through by being somewhat undisciplined,

670
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: by taking risks, by not having as focused a game

671
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: as he needs to, certainly seems worthy of taking seriously,

672
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: but it's just hard to know what to make of

673
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: that BC, Like, what's he going to walk into another jab?

674
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: Cane Kella has shown a legendary chin as well, it's

675
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: hard to hurt him.

676
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: The thing is, if he comes into over aggressive looking

677
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: to make a huge statement, which I do think is

678
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: in play here, that's when the big right hand a

679
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: triple G, which would need to be timed and all that,

680
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: particularly from a wounded animal stance here to surprise him.

681
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: But here's the deal. I did have the questions at

682
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: the beginning of this week of does Canelo actually have

683
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: the right motivation to go out there and not, you know,

684
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: fall into a trap. I was impressed, Luke. I had

685
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: that very short interview with him that you can check

686
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: out on our YouTube channel. I was impressed though that

687
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: he did seem to show me like, hell yeah, I

688
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: want this, And you know, even though it is business,

689
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: it's still freaking personal to me. You know. That's what

690
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: he paraphrasing more or less said to me in his

691
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 2: own way. Does that is there an opening there where

692
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: he will feel over anxious because of this? Look, look,

693
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,239
Speaker 2: you gotta be honest here, Okay. Canelo is a competitor, right,

694
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: He goes after big opportunities like the greats have done.

695
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: But we just watched him get humbled. I mean it

696
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: would almost be better in some cases, like if he

697
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: got knocked out going up to light heavyweight, but he didn't.

698
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: He got out handled and outpointed and outstrategized and everything.

699
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: I know, like the physical differences ended up playing huge part.

700
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: Canelo hit his ceiling against Bevall, but he also kind

701
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: of got humbled. It was seven five and all three

702
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: score cards. But if we're honest, Luke, that's like a

703
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: nine rounds to three fight. I mean, Bvall, he did

704
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: that shit right, m hm. How much is that going

705
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: to mix with the vitriol that's already there for Triple G?

706
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: Where where Canelo might have a chance of, if not

707
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: imploding because he's too much of a you know, a

708
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: professional in the great getting too close to that fire

709
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: where we get an entertaining pocket of good times and

710
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: great oldies that we've come to know in this series,

711
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: and you know that over anxiousness and attitude allows Triple

712
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: G a moment or two. That's when that's what I'm

713
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: gonna get out of my chair, Luke. Okay, that's when

714
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna need another room for the for the for

715
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: the boxing erec that's about to break out? Can I

716
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: can I sit here and dream because I love this

717
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: series and these two so much. Is the old Can

718
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: the old guy find a hole there with Canelo's mindset?

719
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: Luke?

720
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: Tell me it's possible.

721
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: I think it's possible. It's just for me. Here's the

722
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: part where it's like again, you asked earlier, what is

723
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: Tripleg's really best path to victory? How does he actually

724
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: do it? And to me, it's round one to round twelve.

725
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: Sustained effort. Sustained effort, you're talking about them trading in

726
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: certain places by virtue of over commitment, exuberance, the tide

727
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: turning and all those things could play a role, but

728
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: Triple G's really tried to avoid that throughout the duration

729
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: of his career. I think Canelo might invite that a

730
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: little bit more, but I think Triple G has largely

731
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: tried to avoid that. He tries to fight very much

732
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: on his terms, not somebody else's, and so for that

733
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: we are even fifty to fifty circumstances if he can

734
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: avoid it. And so for that reason, this kind of

735
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, for a guy with all these knockouts and

736
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: for a guy with this fearsome reputation which is well earned.

737
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: You know, maybe this is overstating in a little bit, BC,

738
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: but some ways Triple G is a slightly conservative fighter

739
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: in certain ways. Yeah, I just don't think he Hoart's

740
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: risk in the way you're talking about. Whereas Marquez, for example,

741
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: against Pacquiao, he was ready to a court risk there.

742
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he was very ready for it. I just

743
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: don't know if Triple G is that kind of guy.

744
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's funny because Jonathan Banks, when I brought

745
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: it up to him, was just sort of said, no,

746
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: we need g to be emotionless. That's when he's at

747
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 2: his best. Yeah, but that's when he's at his best

748
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: carrying out Plan A. You're gonna need Plan B here.

749
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: It's gonna have to get emotional because when Canelo fights

750
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: with emotion, which we've seen a little bit at times,

751
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: like he's he's got that, he's got that fuck you

752
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: to him. Right. Canelo is a badass, let's be fair, Right,

753
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 2: He's got that side of him that wants to shut

754
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: you the hell up and deliver that blow. So I

755
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: think that's gonna be there. If Triple G can't match that,

756
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: you're not gonna win in this case with your jab game.

757
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: We established that, but I don't know. It's like I

758
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: want to romantically compare it to Marquez Pacio four. I

759
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: also want to compare it to Wilder Fury three. Not

760
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: the same situation, not the same fighters, different temperament, everything

761
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: like that. But we didn't think that one was maybe

762
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: gonna be all that competitive. And you know, Deontay Wilder

763
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 2: got to the deck and drop Fury twice. So sometimes

764
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: you stumble into exactly what you hope to in this game.

765
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: When two people know each other so well when there

766
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: are heightened emotion emotions, which they are in this case,

767
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 2: so I think even separate from those betting lines being

768
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 2: wide and the historic elements, just to see two guys

769
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: who hate each other and have been each other's perfect

770
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: dance partner, Just to see him do it one more time, man,

771
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: I am fired. The hell up, Luke Thomas, it's time

772
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 2: to make the exact pick. All right. We talked about

773
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: the odds. There's money to be made for our consumers

774
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: on this fight. How and when is this one over?

775
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 2: And who's standing there?

776
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: I think Canelo wins. I think he wins via decision,

777
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: and I think it's a clean sweep on all three

778
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 1: judges scorecards. Before it was a draw, then it was

779
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: it was a majority or no. Seriously, was a split

780
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 1: right split drawn?

781
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 2: Majority decision?

782
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, majority decision? Excuse me, yes, because he still had

783
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: a draw on the second one or one of the judges.

784
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: I think this time he gets it done much more cleanly.

785
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: I think he does. I don't think he drops triple G.

786
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: I don't think it's like, you know, a huge route,

787
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: but I think at this point it's the kind where

788
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: it's like there's no doubt, just who is better at

789
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: this point in time, And again, like thirty two versus forty,

790
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: if they're roughly equal in ability, a thirty two year

791
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 1: old guy shouldn't lose to a forty year old guy.

792
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: It just shouldn't really happen, especially at this level when

793
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: they're when their abilities are you know, commensurate but slightly

794
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're they're pretty they're pretty evenly matched,

795
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: I think by and large, but there's just a huge

796
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: youth difference. By the way, we haven't talked about it yet.

797
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: Can we talk about very quickly bec before we go

798
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: to final predictions and move on? What do you make

799
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: of it being at one sixty eight versus standard middleweight?

800
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: And the reason why I bring it up is Canal

801
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: looked so fast in the second fight. He looks a

802
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: little naturally a little slower at one sixty eight. Do

803
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: you see that as an opening for Triple G oh,

804
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: who also has to come up and wait here too?

805
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is interesting because as much as we want

806
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 2: to like make the apples to apples, Bevall and Glove

807
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 2: can game plan comparison. Bevall's a natural light heavyweight, and

808
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: I know he said he can make sixty eight, but

809
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: he's a real deal one seventy five. Or Glufkin's a

810
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: career middleweight who's never gone up. So it's really Canela

811
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: who went from being the smaller boxer to start this

812
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: series to now being even with the height and reached

813
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: disadvantages that the bigger man almost the bigger puncher almost

814
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: because I mean we've seen can you know, Barry guys

815
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: to the body. He's becoming a legitimate knockout threat. But yeah,

816
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: old guy young, what was the exact nature of that question. Look,

817
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: I I want to slim.

818
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: The fact that it's one sixty eight not sixty.

819
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's two reasons in my eyes. One, it

820
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: is a nice trinket for anybody saying why are we

821
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: doing this fight a third time? That it's the first

822
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 2: fight in this weight class, and it's for the undisputed championship,

823
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: So that's a nice crown you put on top of

824
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: royalty already. But look, let's be fair. Uh, Canello only

825
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: fought at middleway one time in the eight fights since

826
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 2: that these two last fought. It was two fights after

827
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: the second fight with Glovekin. He firstly knocked out Rocky

828
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: Fielding and then he had that close decision ish fight

829
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: with Danny J. Sacos, who's a very big middleweight. I

830
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: don't think Canelo can make sixty easy anymore at this age.

831
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 2: And I also think, you know, he's the A side

832
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: in this and he didn't even want this fight, so

833
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: you know, fuck you, I'm not cutting out a sixty

834
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: four year old ash Triple G Right, You're gonna do

835
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: things my way, on my terms. So how will that

836
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 2: affect the fight?

837
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: Though?

838
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 2: I mean, could that aid in? Because look, I'm what's

839
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: my prediction. It's the same thing as yours. It's the

840
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: third straight decision, and it's gonna go to Canelo this

841
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: time again, and it's gonna be the widest of the three.

842
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: And I think he might, you know, slow down, and

843
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: like Triple G is gonna have early success with the JAB,

844
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: is gonna get beat up in the middle and he

845
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 2: may even look old late. But the real question that

846
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 2: we've been kind of trying to birth here is can

847
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: he at least have moments, Can he you know, have

848
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: a chance? Can he find the light? You know, the

849
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 2: door does it open just enough for him to find

850
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 2: that light? And remind us of what this series used

851
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: to be. Yeah, I think that's possible. Will not having

852
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: to cut down as far help him? Yeah, in this case, Luke,

853
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: I wonder if the weight thing overall he could end

854
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 2: up helping Triple G a little bit more. But I

855
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: don't think it'll play a factor though.

856
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: We'll have to see again, I have no clue. Something

857
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: to pay attention to. I wonder what it will do

858
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: for speed. I wonder what it will do for gas

859
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: tanks later on the fight. Again, that also is a

860
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: function of to what extent they go to the body.

861
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: Just something to pay attention to Tomorrow night.

862
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: Absolutely, there we go. So Triple G, if you're not

863
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 2: going to be willing to dramatically change the game plan

864
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: or be forced to based on, you know, a lack

865
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: of success, you're gonna find out what insanity is. But

866
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: I wish them both well. I've loved covering both guys, Luke.

867
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: I love this rivalry. It's as good as it gets,

868
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,959
Speaker 2: you know, in boxing, even if we have a later

869
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: model version this time around. But Luke, don't forget Jesse

870
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: Bam Rodriguez is in that Coleman event against Israel Gonzalez,

871
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 2: and he is coming on in those lower lower weight

872
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: classes as somebody to watch. Gay Brizado back on there again, Luke,

873
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: that guy have fight, will show up and give you

874
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: a good honest effort for it. Indeed, big tattoo guy too, Luke.

875
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: He had like that the woman on the neck a

876
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: long time ago. Gabriel Rosato, you you pig Fanica.

877
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: I like Rosatto. I'm not sure how much I love getting,

878
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, tattoos like that.

879
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: But oh, Luke, I wanted to shout you out here

880
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: because we're gonna slide in and out of the UFC

881
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: Fight Night breakdown. You showed me your new tattoo, and

882
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 2: you know, while I don't know shit about shit, it

883
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: was very impressive, both the tech the technique. It's actually pretty.

884
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: It's kind of cool, Luke. It makes you look like

885
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: a badass dad, so.

886
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, we definitely not a badass dad. But again,

887
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: shouts to Ryan Clark over at district tattoo. I'll show

888
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: it off when it's it's you can kind of see

889
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: a little bit here. It's still peeling and everything, so

890
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to take as good care of it as

891
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: I can. But yeah, I'll give it a look later

892
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: for folks.

893
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: All right, let's give this one a look. It's gonna

894
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: go down in Las Vegas as well. It's UFC Fight Night.

895
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: It's Corey Sanhagen versus Song You Dong, and wow, what

896
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: a great bantamweight matchup we went ham on Wednesday? Is

897
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: you know Corey coming or going at the very elite

898
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 2: level while you know We're gonna find out here. Song

899
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: You Dong an incredible riser of late, has really seemed

900
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: to put it together, but he's still only twenty four.

901
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 2: Biggest opportunity, Luke, he'll be a betting underdog according to

902
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: Caesars plus one sixty Sanhagen minus one ninety. Now we

903
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: get to talk about what this fight looks like. How

904
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: how do you want Corey Sanahagen to start here? He's

905
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 2: got something to prove for sure, say, you know, same

906
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: as it ever was in terms of his game plan, Luke,

907
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 2: And how he's going to try to keep that distance.

908
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: Well, the worst thing I mean not that Corey has

909
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: changed trainers or something like that. That's not what I'm suggesting.

910
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: But let's let's let's think of a fighter who has

911
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: changed camps, maybe even somewhat early on into their you know,

912
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: UFC run or something like that, and then they begin

913
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: to change up their style. The best way to get

914
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: the most out of someone is to keep who they

915
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: are at their core and then to change the parts

916
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: of that style that are you know, most deficient. Right,

917
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 1: That's really I think the best thing is when someone

918
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: tries to completely change a fighter, that's when they just

919
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: don't really get the best out of them. Fighting is

920
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: very much about sort of internal personality and strategic preference,

921
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: and you go away from that a lot, you're gonna

922
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: get problems. So I don't think he has to change

923
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: a ton We talked about some of the things on Saturday.

924
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: In many ways, this is not a fight that san

925
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: Hagan should lose. Now. I don't say that because Songadong

926
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: is some kind of easy guy to beat. Far from it.

927
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: In fact, this is going to be in the apex,

928
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: which means it's in the smaller cage, which means that

929
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: forward pressure from Yadong is going to be something that

930
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: is a difficult challenge I think for any fighter to face.

931
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: In this, obviously case this is Cory Sanhagen. But here's

932
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: what gives me a little bit of reason for optimism

933
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: for san Haagan. You go back and look at the

934
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: Kyler Phillips fight against songa Doong, Like, how was he

935
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: able to win that one? He was moving constantly too,

936
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: he was able to intercept the pressure. Three, he was

937
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 1: able to mix up his strikes a lot of times,

938
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: different stances, a lot of times, different looks, and then

939
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: changing up what came from that same look, including a

940
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: right head kick over the top which caught song Adong

941
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: a few times actually, I think one time in the

942
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: second round and nearly put his lights out, it was,

943
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: and then mixing up his rest a little bit, which

944
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: by the way, you saw Sanhagan do to some degree

945
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: against Yawn. That's a fight Corey Sanhagan should win. That's

946
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: the fight Corey Sanhagen can win. And I think a

947
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: guy like him who can move as well as he

948
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: can move, who can put out as much volume as

949
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: he can put out, who can mix up his strikes,

950
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: and if he can clean up the parts of his

951
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: game where he like a lot of times he'll get

952
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: taken down and then he'll immediately go for a leglock,

953
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: which just adds to I mean, yes, he tore up TJ.

954
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: Dillashaw's knee. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. But

955
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: more commonly, what you end up seeing him do is

956
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: the leglock doesn't work, he stays underneath, he takes a pounding,

957
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: the other person is able to, over the course of time,

958
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: establish a deposition. I think giving stuff like that up

959
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: needs to be sort of first order, not letting someone

960
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: get behind him and put their locked hands together and

961
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: then Matt return them and everything like that. Right, a

962
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: lot of times he'll sort of over commit and then

963
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: turn his back to a degree, and that can give it,

964
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: not like Tony Ferguson, but you know, just not putting

965
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: himself in a position to effectively stop it. And also,

966
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: if you're going to be backing up, a guy's gonna

967
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: be having forward pressure. Cory Sandagen has those intercepting needs,

968
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: which he showed against Frankie Edgar. He uses them all

969
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 1: the time. He used him as TJ. A. Dila Shaw.

970
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: They landed there less so against Yan, although I think

971
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: even one of those landed late in that fight. So

972
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: he's got all the tools to win this fight. Songya

973
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: Dong obviously has big power. He's very athletic, but he

974
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: does have that come forward style and I don't think

975
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: he's going to set up enough feints or put enough

976
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: volume in there. By the way, remember Sanagen also has

977
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: a really good chin. Like what's going into deter sand

978
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: Haagen the guys who have beaten him of the ones

979
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: who have, by the way, beating up his legs. I

980
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,959
Speaker 1: think that's a part, like how to TJ. Dila shall

981
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: really do his best damage. It was controlling, well, that

982
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: was how he won, I should say, controlling with the

983
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: body lock and then different setups from there. The other

984
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: part was just assassinating his leg kicks. Cory Sanahagen kind

985
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: of counted that a little bit by going to leg

986
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: kicks in the Yond fight, but that's something to pay

987
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: attention to there as well. Still getting back to a

988
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: BC really at its core, a guy who is as

989
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: capable of volume, striker and mover and guy who can

990
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: mix up his strikes in the way that Sanhagan does

991
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: this should and has a good chin. This should be

992
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: his fight to lose.

993
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually fully agree on like I wouldn't actually

994
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: change that much. I mean a lot of people thought

995
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: he'd beat de Lashaw And it really comes down to

996
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 2: the rule set and how you want to you know,

997
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 2: assess impact and control and everything there damage as well.

998
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: I would you just want to I don't know. Basically

999
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: you described you want to see him set boundaries better. Luke, Okay,

1000
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: that's what my therapist is trying to work out with me,

1001
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: So you know, Sanagan, I'm with you on that regard.

1002
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, he's got to I mean, he's got

1003
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: to avoid situations where you can fall into major yourself

1004
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: imposed mistakes or traps. So, Luke, I get the feeling

1005
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: here that that neither guy really is looking at offensive

1006
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 2: wrestling at all in the game plan. Would you echo

1007
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 2: that or tell me I'm a filthy cash.

1008
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: I think you might see some from san Haagen depending

1009
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: on how things are going, like if he's lighting him

1010
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: up on the feet. No, but you he did mix

1011
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: it up somewhat in the Yond fight, somewhat in Here's

1012
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: the thing, though somewhat inadvisably, like one time I think

1013
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: he shot a double and he got it. Then he

1014
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: tried it again without a setup, and then Yan was

1015
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: able to stuff it and then immediately turn the corner

1016
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: and take his back like shit like that he has

1017
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: to really avoid, But yeah, you might Kyler Phillips was

1018
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: able to do it. Against Song Ya Doong as well.

1019
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: Like you might be able to see that kind of thing.

1020
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: It's not like that, like he's got some major weakness

1021
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: there to be clear, or that he got beaten up

1022
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: once he got put on the ground. It's not really that.

1023
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: But a guy who's gonna bring that forward pressure all

1024
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 1: the time. What do you want to do? You want

1025
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: to keep that off of you? You want to you

1026
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: want to make him second guess you want to you

1027
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: want to weaponize his pressure against him, mixing in the

1028
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: occasional double as he's driving into you. That could be

1029
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: very effective. Remember it's a lot harder to take someone

1030
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: down when they're backing away from me. If you want

1031
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: to shoot a double into them, right, you want to

1032
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: meet that pressure. It makes it easier to wrap up

1033
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: with them and then to deliver them to the mat.

1034
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, I do think you might see some of that,

1035
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: especially if he goes to the full five rounds and

1036
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: it's close. But if if san Haagen is able to

1037
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: stick and move in the way in which he hopes,

1038
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: then probably not. Although one note about Cory Sanhagen that

1039
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: should be noted here and watching him on tape, one

1040
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: thing that could get him in trouble Is and John

1041
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: was able to like sniper his way around this. I

1042
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: don't know what song and Dong is exactly gonna do,

1043
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: but he does a lot where Hell's like switch stands

1044
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: and then poke at you and then just kind of

1045
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: put a jab in your face and then put something

1046
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: hard behind it. But he stays in range when he

1047
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: does that a long time, and sometimes he gets drilled

1048
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: for it. I wonder, I wonder, like how clean and

1049
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: quickly are his entries and exits in this contest. I

1050
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: think that will actually be a big, a big component

1051
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: of either victory or loss.

1052
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, look, if Sanaigan can hurt him

1053
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 2: with a big strike, and he's been known to launch

1054
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 2: ones you don't see coming creative ones, that's when he's

1055
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 2: gonna take him down and go for that submission Luke

1056
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 2: and get this thing the hell over with Luke. I

1057
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 2: can't figure. I thought I had a Randy Coutur vibe

1058
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 2: going with this look, but he looks more rogan esk right,

1059
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 2: like you're not sure if I'm gonna bust your table

1060
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: or call the next pay per view.

1061
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: No, you definitely look like an extra on the set

1062
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: of Peaky blinders.

1063
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: Oh wow, uh, Luke, do you know? Of course, anying's

1064
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: got to cause the nickname. But I don't think there's

1065
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 2: anyone that calls him the Sandman though. Is that that's accurate?

1066
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: I not commonly? Not commonly, right?

1067
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean for it's a great name. He's got

1068
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: to you know, who he should get. He should, you know,

1069
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 2: like Mike Perry broke the rules in the Fourth Wall,

1070
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: he brought Coach Littorian. It changed the way we look

1071
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: at corners, to be fair, what about bringing in E. C. W.

1072
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame for the Sandman himself?

1073
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: Luke?

1074
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: Remember that absolute piece of shit in the Zuba's pants

1075
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: with the Kendos stick, smoking cigarettes, drinking, busting himself open, Luke,

1076
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: guy was a legend.

1077
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know who that is.

1078
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: You don't know the Sandman from me? CW? Are you

1079
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: kidding me?

1080
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: No? Here's here's the one question I have for you. No,

1081
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: I don't remember these fucking guys. I don't you know.

1082
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: I wasn't watching that ship.

1083
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 2: I wanted to be him many for many years of

1084
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: my life.

1085
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: Look still to BC, if you were advising song, you

1086
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: dong to have a nickname. And here's the catch. The

1087
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: nickname has to go between song and You Dong, So

1088
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: it's song whatever. You don't what do you give? It's

1089
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 1: his nickname.

1090
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 2: God. I feel like I could get in trouble in

1091
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 2: a few different ways here, Luke. This may be one

1092
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 2: of those where I where I am staying.

1093
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 1: Here, Luke, I use your nickname, big ass. Oh, big

1094
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: ass you Dong. That's it?

1095
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, Luke. If he breaks through Song You Dong

1096
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: and wins this, I mean, holy shit, he's like a

1097
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: title contender tomorrow, is he not.

1098
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wins this, he's on his way. This would

1099
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: be I mean, it was interesting is that the odds

1100
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: are close Cory Sanhagen minus one ninety as you indicated,

1101
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: Song You Dong at plus one sixty, very very close contest,

1102
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: and yet the consequences of a loss or a win

1103
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: or say the after effective one would be enormous. Right,

1104
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: So if san Haagan wins, I guess he kind of

1105
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: keeps position and then you know, undo some of the

1106
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: damage of the recent losses. If he loses, that would

1107
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: really be bad. Right. It's one thing to lose to

1108
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 1: guys who have all held the title. Okay, that's one thing,

1109
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: But Song You Dong is not that guy, and they's

1110
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: still very young. Was he twenty four years old? Twenty

1111
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: five years old? Something like that. So you're losing to

1112
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: a guy who is not of that level and certainly

1113
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: hasn't proven to be of that level and has been

1114
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: defeated by guys not of that level. To lose to him,

1115
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: even as good as he is, would be a massive

1116
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: problem for san Haagan. Conversely, for Song Jesus christ Bro,

1117
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: that would be really big for him. That would launch

1118
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: him into that top five space, and I don't think

1119
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: he would look back after. That would be a massive,

1120
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: massive upset in that sense, not by odds but by

1121
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: position for sure.

1122
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, like looking at it just macro wise,

1123
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: it's like in terms of the directions they could go

1124
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: the career arcs, I feel like it does you know,

1125
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 2: Song You Dong's gonna have a great performance, He's gonna

1126
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: have moments, He's gonna be in this fight. But it

1127
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: does feel like Corey Sanagan's time to remind all of

1128
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 2: us who he is songs still twenty four in that regard.

1129
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 2: I hope he gets it done, Luke. I mean, like,

1130
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to say stupid things like

1131
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 2: is he the bantamweight you know, uh version of of

1132
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: Dan Hooker. That's you know, it's just respectful to say that.

1133
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 2: It also means that you're somebody who gave really hard

1134
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 2: fights to the best fighters in a great era in

1135
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: your division. But dude, Sanagan's gone deeper too. You think

1136
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 2: that factors that all Sung has fought a five round

1137
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 2: fight in China in twenty seventeen, but has never you know,

1138
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: gone past three in the five years since. Do you

1139
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 2: like Sanagan better in the later rounds here?

1140
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: Yes? I do. I think he's got much better experience.

1141
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: I thought the fifth round against Yon was actually pretty good.

1142
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: He's fought much better guys in much tougher positions. Yes,

1143
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: he absolutely should be better down the stretch. If he's not,

1144
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: that would be a bit of a problem. As much

1145
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: as I give his opponent credit for his improvement, we're

1146
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: talking about a very different level of experience in the

1147
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: much deep I mean the deepest waters the division has

1148
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: to offer. Basically championship rounds against guys who've held the

1149
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: title like doesn't come much more difficult than that, quite frankly,

1150
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: And while he has left found himself wanting in general,

1151
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: not in total, and so for those reasons, you would

1152
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: imagine san Haagan, who by the way, has good cardio too.

1153
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: We haven't talked about that. Very good cardio should be

1154
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: very ready for this one. Yeah, yeah, he should be

1155
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: better to over in that space.

1156
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: And look, song's great, he's rising, he's getting better each fight.

1157
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: But like he just lost the you know, pretty pretty ope,

1158
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: you know, cleanly to Kyler Phillips over three rounds in

1159
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. So I had a lot of people

1160
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 2: reaching out to us, going, you guys need to realize

1161
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: that like he already kind of got solved recently. Well, look,

1162
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 2: he responded perfectly, but that gap in experience could end

1163
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 2: up playing a very big role obviously, particularly in the

1164
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: later rounds. Luke, I like Sanhagen here. I don't know, man,

1165
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 2: I kind of like a finish as well, Luke. I'm

1166
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: feeling I'm feeling extra spicy, you know what I mean.

1167
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if like you know, I don't have

1168
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: a crystal ball, Luke, but there's a clairvoyant spicy feeling here,

1169
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 2: Ghost pepperish that Cory Sanhagan's going to get a submission

1170
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 2: here and look spectacular. You know after going through you

1171
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 2: know a little bit of the obvious issue in the beginning,

1172
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 2: mister Sandman righting.

1173
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: And likes to do the majority of his work with

1174
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: his hands. But I actually feel like his kickboxing is

1175
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: somewhat underutilized, and I think that's going to be the

1176
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: difference maker here. I think kicking maybe niing, but I

1177
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: think actually kicking and kicking range is where he's gonna

1178
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: find the fight fights. I think he if he does

1179
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: find a fight ending sequence, it will start from there.

1180
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 2: Dude, if he get if he wins and finishes him

1181
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: under this set up here, and there's a very close

1182
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 2: fight odds wise and ability wise in many ways. Uh, dude,

1183
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: I mean the Al Joe rematch for the title. If

1184
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 2: that's the guy still standing, Uh, he's not gonna be

1185
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: far from that. How far away?

1186
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: Though, I don't think one win against a guy. Where

1187
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: is Zongyaedong ranked as it currently stands. He is currently

1188
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: ranked as it stands at one hundred and thirty five

1189
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: pounds at ten Sanagan at four. So you got morob

1190
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: up there, You've got Cheeto. No, he'd have one more,

1191
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: he'd have one more. I think he'd have to win

1192
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: against Morob or Marlin or Jose or something like that.

1193
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 2: Here's Jose for you. Go go deal with that, you knowely.

1194
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 1: Out of the frying pan into the fire with this one.

1195
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah that that hammer hammer time. Luke, do you have

1196
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:24,439
Speaker 2: a prediction here on how.

1197
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: This ends, I'll say san Haagan via decision. I'm not

1198
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: sure that he actually gets the stoppage. I think he

1199
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: is capable of getting the stoppage, but I think Sanhagan

1200
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: gets back in the win column. It's a little bit

1201
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: too much, too soon, I think for songe Dong, but

1202
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,959
Speaker 1: the odds are close for a reason. I respect both

1203
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: guys tremendously in this contest. I just feel like this

1204
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 1: is a fight where if san Haagan has done his homework,

1205
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: it's trained properly and has a disciplined game plan, there

1206
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: really is no good reason why he should lose.

1207
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: Luke, when it comes to this undercard, I went ham

1208
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 2: Wednesday on that Aspen lad Sarah McMahon matchup in terms

1209
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: of like, it's time for Aspen, you got to show

1210
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 2: it to us. What fight, in your opinion on this

1211
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,439
Speaker 2: undercard has the you know, sort of biggest stakes for

1212
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 2: a breakthrough opportunity.

1213
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: Here it's a good question. Well, it's funnily enough BC

1214
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,959
Speaker 1: Aspen Lad versus Sarah McMahon, which I know every want's

1215
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 1: the easy go to. Dude, Aspin Ladd is a minus

1216
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: one forty favorite. Well, I got to tell you that

1217
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: is surprising. I would have thought it would be the

1218
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: other way. But either way, whoever you find as the

1219
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: as the I mean that is such a consequential fight

1220
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: for Aspen Ladd, Right, yeah, a win here would be

1221
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: really good for her, really nice. Wouldn't sort of say that,

1222
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: oh she's back and on top of the division, doesn't

1223
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: say that, but solid win over somebody who Look, whatever

1224
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: condition Sarah McMahon is in, here's what I know, she's

1225
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: going to get the most out of it. Right, she's

1226
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: not the same at forty one as she was at

1227
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: thirty one, fair enough, but whatever she's got at forty one,

1228
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: she is going to give you every piece of it.

1229
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: So for Aspen Lad to get a winter that I

1230
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: think would be pretty impressive. I am surprised they have

1231
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: her as the favorite. I really am.

1232
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 2: Also again I'm not surprised because of like, but look,

1233
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: the stakes are so high. You just nailed it. Like,

1234
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 2: if Aspen loses this in any form, I mean, you're

1235
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 2: gonna be running out of time, time, chances, or anyone's

1236
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 2: belief that you can get it done. But with that said, Luke,

1237
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 2: on the flip side, Sarah McMahon is kind of the

1238
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 2: perfect opponent. Look, she's tough as nails. If this ends

1239
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: up being a trap, she can win this fight, there's

1240
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: no question. And she looked good last time I thought.

1241
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 2: But odds wise, Lad has to be the favorite because

1242
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 2: she's still that bigger potential. I think she has a

1243
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 2: little bit more ways to win this fight. You know,

1244
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 2: if aspen Lad can come back to life like she

1245
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 2: did against Kunitskaya, you know she may need to. She

1246
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 2: may need it to have been a bigger betting you know,

1247
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: favorite in this regard. But with the questions answered, it's

1248
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: actually perfect matchmaking and really perfect odds Luke, this is

1249
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 2: going to be interesting theater. We did identify that there

1250
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 2: were a couple other sort of put up or shut

1251
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: up fights in that opportunity, but like, is there anyone

1252
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: else that you feel like, dude, I don't get a

1253
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: win here, big issues. I mean, maybe touch you, Philly Luke.

1254
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah. Andre Pheeley would be the big one, and

1255
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate because that's a tough fight against Bill Algio,

1256
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 1: who is very well rounded. Who let me see their reach.

1257
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: I'd be curious to see where they match up there. Yeah,

1258
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: Philly with just a one inch reach advantage. Bill Algo

1259
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: slightly younger, but coming here off that win over Herbert

1260
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: Burns was just remarkable. And they have it again. They

1261
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: have the same opponent in Brito Brito and Algio beat them. Algio,

1262
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: by the way, much more active than Andre Feeley is,

1263
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: so he's got a higher volume. The thing is for

1264
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: Andre Feely, I think a lot of this is going

1265
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: to run through the takedown. He lands nearly three takedowns

1266
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: per fifteen minutes. It's a big part of his game,

1267
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: mixing it up. If he can't mix it up enough

1268
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: against Algio, that's really gonna be The key is to

1269
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: what extent can Andre Feelely spin all the plates at

1270
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: the same time. If he can do that, Algio might

1271
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: have his hands full. But if not, Algio is going

1272
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: to be all over him.

1273
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 2: Luke, would it be too far to say that he

1274
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 2: was your castmate and that mister Faber produced weed thriller?

1275
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: Probably a little I've never went on set, nor did

1276
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: I get paid.

1277
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: So dude, we have to set up an MK homework

1278
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 2: assignment to watch that. I would love to I would

1279
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: love to talk about how absurdly violent violent that movie becan.

1280
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: It's pretty badass.

1281
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: It's it's we got to watch that after having like

1282
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: seven or eight Delta gummies. Oh that's just the reality.

1283
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that drink you purchased, Luke, you should drink that

1284
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: whole thing.

1285
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: God, that thing, that thing tore me to pieces.

1286
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, uh Tanner Boster Luke, does he impress you

1287
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 2: still as somebody long term that like could make a

1288
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 2: little bit of noise pots and pans Saint Anger Metallica style.

1289
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 2: Luke in this division minus one seventy favorite against Rodrigo Nassmento.

1290
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: Yeah sure, I mean he's well rounded, predominantly a striker,

1291
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: doesn't do a whole lot of grappling, so we don't

1292
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: really have a great sense of that. It's pretty decent.

1293
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: Takedown defense doesn't have a huge reach for the waight class,

1294
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: just seventy five inch reach. Naciamento has an eighty inch reach,

1295
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: so he's given up five inches on the the reach differential,

1296
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: so that's not great. But you know, doesn't take a

1297
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: ton of abuse, right, doesn't get hit a lot. I

1298
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: think he just two point one to six strikes osorb

1299
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: per minute. It's very low, especially for a heavyweight. His

1300
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: opponent at six point one point four actually has a

1301
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: negative differential. So yeah, I mean, do I see him,

1302
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, hoisting the belt. Well, it's hard to see

1303
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: who he'd beat to get the belt, but.

1304
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 3: As a as a good addition to the heavyweight division

1305
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 3: with a respectable skill set to beat you know, you know,

1306
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 3: more opponents than he loses to.

1307
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, all right, and.

1308
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 2: Don't forget about uh, I forgot about. No Anthony Hernandez

1309
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 2: Luca minus two hundred favorite here against Mark Andre Burrial.

1310
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 2: That's the man who subbed Rodolfo Vieira and blew your mind?

1311
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 2: Is it not?

1312
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so. This is a h

1313
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: or maybe yes, and maybe it was Mark andre Berry.

1314
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: Did he beat No? I don't think he fought no.

1315
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, sorry Anthony Hernandez is I thought you

1316
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: meant barrio.

1317
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 2: No no Hernandez here it is February of twenty twenty one.

1318
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: Yes he did, he did. He was able to do it,

1319
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: which is just like you know, in pure JUDICSU terms,

1320
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: that would basically be impossible. But you start throwing strikes

1321
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: into the mix. Very different ballgame.

1322
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's won three of four overall entering this fight.

1323
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 2: I know you're a huge m a burial guy.

1324
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: Luke, right, the biggest.

1325
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, There you go? You want to

1326
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 2: keep Look I could go through the dollar beIN here

1327
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 2: on this undercar with you all night. I don't you

1328
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 2: want to keep going, Luke?

1329
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: No, I'm good. The card is very okay.

1330
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 2: Okay, shout out to Cameron Van Camp opening the card

1331
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 2: there against Nicholas Mota. Luke. Let's go to topic number three.

1332
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 2: How about this the longtime coach of Jose Aldo, Andre

1333
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 2: pedneris I don't know where this, Oh Cambace was the

1334
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 2: source of the interview. Here's the deal. He's advising Jose

1335
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 2: Aldo to retire. The quote is Jose didn't need it

1336
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 2: since that fight much less. Now this is him. He

1337
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 2: advised Aldough to retire before the Edgar fight, is what?

1338
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 2: This is the reference? I tell him how to stop.

1339
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 2: I think Aldo has already conquered a lot and it

1340
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 2: won't be his last fight against devolish Veili that will

1341
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 2: take away his legacy in the sport. He says that

1342
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 2: there's only one fight left on the deal. Luke, would

1343
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 2: you wouldn't go that far to echo this?

1344
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: Right?

1345
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want Jose to hang around forever.

1346
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 2: I think his days of chasing a title or you know,

1347
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it feels over it, Luke.

1348
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind if he retired at all.

1349
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 2: But there's a world for him to still compete at

1350
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: a pretty damn high level if you wanted to correct.

1351
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: Sure, but at what costs? None of this is free?

1352
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: And when I say free, I mean your health cost.

1353
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: Jose Aldo has been fighting for a very long time

1354
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: and probably has taken a tremendous amount of physical abuse,

1355
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: and I'm sure his brain has suffered a fair degree

1356
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: of trauma, and so at this stage of his career

1357
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: where winning the title is probably impossible, you have to

1358
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: ask yourself what is the cost here? I mean, here's

1359
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: another one to think about too, what about Max Holloway.

1360
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: Now you might say, oh, well Max Holloway is only thirty,

1361
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: why would he ever retire? But right, here's the issue.

1362
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: Do you really see him reclaiming his belt at one

1363
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: forty five? Not why Alex is there? No do you

1364
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: see him claiming a belt at one fifty five? No. Now,

1365
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: he could be in big fights and beat very good fighters,

1366
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: that is true, and he could potentially make some money,

1367
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: but he already makes a lot of money outside of

1368
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: the cage from what I understand, And so the question

1369
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: is do you really want to put in all that

1370
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: work for stuff that won't really have any title implications

1371
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: that will come at extraordinary health risks down the line.

1372
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: Now again he might say the answer is yes, that

1373
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: he just wants to do it. He could still be

1374
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: good guys, and that that's what he wants to do,

1375
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: then that's what he will do. But like this idea,

1376
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to understand where is MMA lucrative.

1377
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: It's lucrative by and large, almost exclusively at the championship end,

1378
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: or right around that. Now Jose is sort of right

1379
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: around that. Again, I don't know the exactly the figures

1380
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: he makes on his on his deal. Maybe he still

1381
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: thinks it's financially worth it. But when you're at this

1382
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: stage of your career and you're as I think he

1383
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: should be, as financially stable as Jose Aldo is. Remember,

1384
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: he's opened up some restaurants in Brazil, some burger joints,

1385
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: and some other places, although maybe he is not because

1386
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: he cheaped out on that tattoo. That thing is the

1387
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: fucking worst thing I've ever seen in my life.

1388
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 2: Oh come on, I mean it's not great, but let's not.

1389
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 2: Let's not.

1390
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: It's really really bad. That's like a three or four

1391
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: out of ten.

1392
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it's oh well, I mean it's okay, it

1393
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 2: doesn't It kind of sucks, But I don't think it's

1394
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 2: a I mean you're saying it's like it's like a

1395
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 2: train wreck. It's like somebody it's his roof and put

1396
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 2: a dong up there and it's like, dude, you gotta

1397
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 2: get that down.

1398
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's what That's what he's got. But

1399
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: the point I'm trying to make is folks always think

1400
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: of like what does he have left for fighting? Rather

1401
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 1: than thinking what about the next stage of your life? Folks,

1402
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: fighting for all these guys will come to an end

1403
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: and they will have a life after that. You have

1404
01:04:55,960 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: to ask yourself right now, right now, is is it

1405
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: worth it to absorb all of that brain damage and

1406
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: all of that body trauma for the less lucrative end

1407
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: of fighting that could potentially have serious consequences for the

1408
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: next stage or two or three, if it even goes

1409
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: that long of your life. I can understand why Pedineiras,

1410
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: having seen what Aldo has accomplished, this probably knows how

1411
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: to what extent he's making money and what's left for him,

1412
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: and realize it's a much better call to stop it here.

1413
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: I totally endorse Pedis, and I think listening to an

1414
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: old listening to old men in combat sports, no one

1415
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: wants to do it, but they're the ones that have

1416
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: seen all the life cycles go, come and go, it's

1417
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: worth paying attention to them.

1418
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 2: I mean, everything you said is spot on brilliant. I

1419
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 2: wish more people looked at it. I think when Mike

1420
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 2: Yoanna Young Jychek just walked away, it was sort of like,

1421
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 2: let's applaud it right, going out on her own terms,

1422
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 2: not lingering too long. You know, you don't want to

1423
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 2: see your heroes get beat up. But look, there's two

1424
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 2: kinds of people that the kinds that can make that

1425
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 2: decision and be fine with it, and that's by the way,

1426
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 2: they probably should. Their family's probably encouraging them to do that.

1427
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 2: But then there's the competitors, Luke, who you have to,

1428
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 2: you know, forcibly drag away from this game, because not

1429
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 2: only it's all they ever know, it's the biggest Russian

1430
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 2: thrill and passion of their lifetime. I think Josie all

1431
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 2: knows that guy. I mean, look, let's not forget I

1432
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 2: know football is not, you know, as physically dangerous, but

1433
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 2: pretty damn close in many ways. Remember Jerry Rice was

1434
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 2: like forty three, dude, they couldn't get him out of

1435
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 2: the league. He tried to become the Denver Broncos like

1436
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: fourth string, fifth string receiver, like he was basically like

1437
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 2: they're like, you could be on our practice squad if

1438
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 2: you want. I mean, he was out there like life

1439
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 2: or death to try to make that team, you know,

1440
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 2: because he loves the game so much. And it's like

1441
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 2: that's a problem in combat sports when it gets there

1442
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,959
Speaker 2: and guys can't be removed. But you're right financially about

1443
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 2: Jose But dude, I can't. There's no chance. I don't

1444
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 2: think there's a chance. Now, let me read you the

1445
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 2: final quote from ped neras that really explains everything you

1446
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 2: just said. He said, I've seen many retire and want

1447
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 2: to fight. Years later, most of the like that. Talus

1448
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 2: latest left the UFC fought his last fight against Hector

1449
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 2: Lombard and said, brother, I don't want to I don't

1450
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 2: want that shit anymore. Two or three years have passed

1451
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 2: and now he's calling me to get a fight. I've

1452
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 2: seen that my whole life, and it will happen to

1453
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 2: all though. I mean, look, when you get the coach

1454
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 2: like that, that's like a father. That's what the family

1455
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 2: should say.

1456
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: Luke.

1457
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, he's too good still though, and he loves

1458
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 2: it too much. He's gonna fight anywhere.

1459
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: Dude. That's when you want to retire. You want to

1460
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: retire when folks are saying, yeah, but you're still good,

1461
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 1: you could still do it. Yeah, don't.

1462
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's still really good. That's the problem. But Luke,

1463
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 2: you're right. And then ped Nurse also said he wants

1464
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 2: Jose to focus on boxing or muy ti or anything,

1465
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 2: you know, more passion plays like that where he could

1466
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 2: potentially make some cash in that direction. Don't do be cafcy, Jose,

1467
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 2: You're too classy for that. Okay, we thought you were

1468
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 2: too classy for that tattoo as well, but uh yeah,

1469
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 2: there you go. Luke Topic number four is just a

1470
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 2: glow roundup from the leftovers of UFC two seventy nine. Look,

1471
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 2: let's start here Dan Hooker explaining why Nate Diaz his

1472
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 2: free agency is dangerous for the UFC. This is on

1473
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 2: All Stars two seventy nine reaction show video. Here's the

1474
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 2: quote by him fighting out his contract, meaning Nate Diaz

1475
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 2: leaving on a win, leaving as a huge pay per

1476
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 2: view star. He can test free agency right and he

1477
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 2: now has the ability to show other fighters where they

1478
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 2: stand in the open market, which is incredibly dangerous for

1479
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 2: the UFC. If he goes out and pfl drops millions

1480
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,799
Speaker 2: for him to sign, or Risen drops millions, sorry Risin,

1481
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 2: or he goes away and fights Floyd Mayweather and gets

1482
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: ten million, it's really going to open a lot of

1483
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 2: other UFC fighters' eyes. So I can really see the

1484
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 2: UFC doubling, tripling, quadrupling whatever contract he was on, just

1485
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,560
Speaker 2: so that doesn't happen. So fighters aren't as aware of

1486
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 2: their ability outside the UFC because if it's never done

1487
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:48,799
Speaker 2: with a guy like that and Nate's position, Hooker added,

1488
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 2: it's usually when guys are going out on a huge loan,

1489
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 2: you know, what I mean or going out on huge losses,

1490
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 2: Luke end quote, he's spot on, but like, is it

1491
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 2: even bigger than UFC saying, And I don't want Nate's

1492
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 2: brand to compete against us in the open market. I

1493
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 2: don't want him to set a dangerous precedent that we're

1494
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 2: way too stubborn or business smart or really just a

1495
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 2: holes to want to change right now, Luke.

1496
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 1: I think Hooker's on the money. I think Hooker's on

1497
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 1: the money. I you know, in the end, I don't

1498
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: think that the UFC wants to get away from how

1499
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: much they pay, and they want to keep it within

1500
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: those confines if at all possible. But you know, and

1501
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 1: Nate Diaz is obviously, you know, Hooker's wrong in the

1502
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 1: sense that like he's right. But what I'm trying to

1503
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 1: point out is fighters will see what Nate Diaz does

1504
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: and then potentially could get inspired to go and test

1505
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: their own free agency. But the level of fighter that's

1506
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 1: going to be, I mean, I should say, the amount

1507
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: of fighters that are going to be able to take

1508
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: advantage of that open market in the way that Nate

1509
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,719
Speaker 1: Diaz has is, you know, it's less than a handful

1510
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: of guys like that is not scalable at all, but

1511
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:56,480
Speaker 1: to the extent that it begins to stir these emotions

1512
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: or thoughts in guys heads about well, wait a second,

1513
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I'm not in Nate Diaz value. But

1514
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: what value do I have? I don't even know. I

1515
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: don't know. You don't know your value unless you see

1516
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 1: it actively competed for on the open market. Could it

1517
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 1: lead to that? Still, the thing that the UFC has

1518
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: in their favor is one, they could potentially resign the ideas.

1519
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: I find that unlikely at this juncture, but it is possible.

1520
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,799
Speaker 1: And two for a lot of guys. Now not everybody.

1521
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: We'll see who does the PFL thing and whatever if

1522
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: Beltre makes a big offer or BKFC one potentially, But

1523
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: the reality is, for a lot of guys, even if

1524
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: the wages are depressed, the UFC is an arguable monopoly,

1525
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 1: and so for that reason they're still going to be

1526
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: able to pay a little bit more for most people

1527
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,879
Speaker 1: than the competitors would be. There will be different cases,

1528
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: but I still think those will exist largely at the

1529
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: margin and not at the core. The question you have

1530
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 1: to ask yourself is, is Nate Diaz if he goes

1531
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: and does this and fights Jake Paul and makes a

1532
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: fuck ton of money, what does that do for the

1533
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 1: UFC stars? What does it do for the guys who

1534
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 1: are the actual breadwinners, who are the actual champions or

1535
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. Like a Francis and Gan,

1536
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: who does he get inspired potentially by something Nate Diaz does.

1537
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I realize he's already had his own ideas,

1538
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: but you know that kind of a thing. That's who

1539
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: this is really geared towards. Because there are too many

1540
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: other factors of the current so to speak, driving fighters

1541
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: back towards the UFC for there to be some kind

1542
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: of on mass rebellion or on mass you know, uh

1543
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 1: movement towards some other place.

1544
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 2: Even if it doesn't leave to more people leaving, like

1545
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,719
Speaker 2: fighting out their deal strategically and then go into big things,

1546
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 2: it's going to lead to fighters, you know, more star

1547
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 2: fighters than anything, getting paid what they deserve to sort

1548
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 2: of you know, shut them up and keep them happy.

1549
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 2: Didn't we see just see Ota sign to get like

1550
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 2: a massive deal in the midst of all these fighter

1551
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 2: pay headline season right there. Look this, the more Nate

1552
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 2: can go out there and cash in in huge ways.

1553
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 2: Anyone who's up for a contract is going to be

1554
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:00,560
Speaker 2: in a great spot, so that it's great for the

1555
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 2: one percent who have you know, already been eating compared

1556
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 2: to the rest. It doesn't solve the problem at all,

1557
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 2: but I guess it's uh. I'd rather see that, Luke, Right,

1558
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 2: I'd rather I mean, I'd rather see these guys get

1559
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 2: paid in some form, even if it's just the famous ones.

1560
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know, Luke. I'm not a

1561
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 2: you know, I wish I was normal red right Union, Yes, Luke,

1562
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 2: what if I became Dana White's real public enemy number one?

1563
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 2: Not a four minute video right pulled quotes that were

1564
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 2: not even in context? What if I called up Joran

1565
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 2: Rebney and we restarted this thing?

1566
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 1: Luke, I think you'd be out of a job pretty quickly.

1567
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I'd never go to a fight again. Luke,

1568
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 2: You're right, you know what I mean? Yeah, thank you

1569
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 2: very much. Thank you for that sobering reality right there.

1570
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 2: Let's keep these these two seventy nine reactions going, Luke.

1571
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 2: They've sometimes called Michael Chandler a company man. The fans have, Well,

1572
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 2: here's the deal. He was on Aerial Show, and he

1573
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 2: was asked about Dana White denying that any of the

1574
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 2: two seventy nine fighters who had their fights massively switched

1575
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 2: got a pay raise for it. Here's what Michael Chandler said,

1576
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think in some alternate universe it

1577
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 2: actually makes sense. Like you said, I heard the same

1578
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 2: thing too, where I'm like, why would you not admit

1579
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 2: that right now? Because basically that makes you look good,

1580
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 2: especially when all anyone does is throw darts at you

1581
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 2: and throw venom at you. All that to say, once again,

1582
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 2: I will always get called a brown noser. I know

1583
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 2: some things behind the scenes where I'm like, Okay, they

1584
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 2: are a well worn organization who takes better care of

1585
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 2: people than people actually think they do. But the best

1586
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 2: kind of gifts are the ones that you don't expect

1587
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,799
Speaker 2: anything in return and the ones that you don't glode about.

1588
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 2: Chandler added, it kind of makes me respect Dana even

1589
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 2: more end quote. I mean, can he be both right

1590
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 2: and an a shameless extreme company man at the same time.

1591
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 2: There's a world where that that makes sense, right?

1592
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 1: Sure, there's a I mean, I listen the UFC, you know,

1593
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:49,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone accuses them of outright abuse

1594
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: per se you know, or or you know acting like

1595
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 1: the world's worst bosses. In every case, that's really not

1596
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 1: the idea. The idea is, and this is the thing

1597
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 1: that goes back to, like, this is what undercuts whatever

1598
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 1: DC or Channeler or anyone else might say. I'm sure

1599
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: that there are a lot of examples behind the scenes

1600
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,959
Speaker 1: where they went above and beyond what they were contractually

1601
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: obligated to do, which is nice. That's not a bad thing,

1602
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. But the reality is that's not

1603
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: what you want. That's not the ideal world. The world

1604
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: is where the market conditions exist in such a way

1605
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: where every fighter is by and large able to maximize

1606
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: their wealth and their fortune and their leverage by virtue

1607
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 1: of having a set like in the contracts, is already

1608
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 1: a much fairer standard because you're not under the thumb

1609
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 1: of what the monopoly is telling you that they want.

1610
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: Right where you have some kind of either federal legislation

1611
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: to protect you, where you have a union to protect you.

1612
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 1: Whatever the ideal situation may be, you want something, You

1613
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 1: want some other market force to bear down to rearrange

1614
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: the dynamic so that you don't have to wait for

1615
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: the generosity of your company. Like, what they want to

1616
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,520
Speaker 1: keep doing is saying, we're going to have these unfair conditions,

1617
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 1: We're going to ignore that they're unfair, and then when

1618
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: the UFC does something beyond that, oh, look how generous

1619
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 1: they are. Sure it's generous, but it's generous inside of

1620
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: a world that is inherently tilted towards the one being

1621
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: generous in innumerable ways. So I recognize what he's saying

1622
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: is probably true. It probably is true that they've gone.

1623
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're horrible people who just want

1624
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: to screw the fighters over all the time. But what

1625
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: they don't want to do is is essentially really meaningly

1626
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 1: share the business with the fighters. That's what they really

1627
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 1: don't want to do. And until something comes around that

1628
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 1: forces them to do that. All of these stories about hey,

1629
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 1: I got this bonus and no one knew about it

1630
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,679
Speaker 1: and they took care of me here, those are great.

1631
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 1: Those are great, but they're utterly beside the point. The

1632
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: point is to level the industry and then see what happens.

1633
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you say nobody knows about these bonuses, you

1634
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 2: mean the irs as well. Right, Look, or is this are.

1635
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: To certain conspiracy theories still may or may not be

1636
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: wearing Chuck has hat.

1637
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 2: I mean that sounded like Chandler knows a little thing

1638
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 2: about the NLK boy bag, if you know what I'm saying, Luke,

1639
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 2: and I'm not hating on that. By the way, get

1640
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 2: paid and if this is the avenue for him to

1641
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 2: do that, all right, there you go, Luke. But it's

1642
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 2: not full reality for everyone. Tony Ferguson quickly Luke in

1643
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 2: the postfight presser after his loss in ADZ indicated quote,

1644
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 2: I hang my hat at two different places besides home,

1645
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 2: that's fifty five and seventy. He went on to say

1646
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 2: how thankful he was that he came out healthy from

1647
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 2: the loss. But Luke, he sounded like he feels he

1648
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 2: can compete in both divisions and maybe one seventy could

1649
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 2: find him another chapter. We already kind of debated the

1650
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 2: idea of like it's probably perfect timing to just go now,

1651
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 2: Tony's not doesn't want to. I mean, we know that.

1652
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 2: What does the UFC end up doing here? Though? What's

1653
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 2: the next move for Tony Ferguson, Whether you're ready for

1654
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 2: it or not.

1655
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I really someone had suggested to me

1656
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 1: and I didn't like it. I want to hear what

1657
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: you have to say. Someone suggested to me at one

1658
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: seventy Tony versus Nick Diaz. Now tell me A if

1659
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 1: you like it or not, and then B why you

1660
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 1: like it or not?

1661
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,640
Speaker 2: Dude, Okay, it's a. It's a. It's it's not only

1662
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 2: a gas station hot dog, Luke. It's the ones where

1663
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 2: they like pre insert the cheese before packaging. I mean

1664
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,639
Speaker 2: it's it's you know, I mean, it'll kill you. It's

1665
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 2: pretty brilliant though. I mean on the mass Pike they

1666
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 2: have those at the pull. I mean, not that I

1667
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 2: know anymore, but uh yeah, Luke, it's perfect. I mean

1668
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 2: it's you know, you like him extra sloppy. I mean

1669
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 2: it is. It's a. I mean it's a it's a

1670
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:39,719
Speaker 2: sloppy Joe right into the face, Luke. It's the perfect

1671
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 2: fight for both guys though, And you know, I'd rather

1672
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 2: treat a legend with respect and give him some final biles,

1673
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 2: which is what the Nate fight was. And it came

1674
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 2: together a perfect storm for both guys. I think they

1675
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 2: all they do it, Luke. Luke, Look, is there anything

1676
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 2: to this cosmic way of looking at Tony was the

1677
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 2: ultimate company man, but really ever got the big payoff,

1678
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 2: got the gay chee fight, never got the kabibe one.

1679
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 2: Do they feel like they kind of owe him? You know,

1680
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 2: a couple more, a couple more meals here?

1681
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: I doubt it.

1682
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 2: You're like, you're like those swinging corporate raiders. No chance

1683
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 2: at all, you go, Oh yeah, I.

1684
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 1: Doubt they feel like they owe him anything.

1685
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Luke, let's keep it going. Kevin Holland

1686
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 2: made sure d Rod got taken care of at UFC

1687
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 2: two seventy nine. This is Daniel Rodriguez talking to Ari Hawane.

1688
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:34,759
Speaker 2: Props to Holland, though he had told the UFC or whatever,

1689
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 2: maybe the matchmakers, that he wanted to make sure I

1690
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 2: was completely taken care of, like not completely left out

1691
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 2: of the situation or without a fight, at least get

1692
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 2: paid a little something, you know. So shout out to

1693
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 2: Holland for that end quote. So Kevin Holland went to

1694
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 2: the negotiation table and made sure he got d Rod's back. Yo. Look,

1695
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 2: that's some like wild West valor right there. That's some

1696
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 2: honor among these these wild men.

1697
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 1: Luke. Yeah, I mean, what did it really mean though.

1698
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit more cash for d rod right

1699
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 2: not according to Dana, Dude, think about it, the leech

1700
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 2: and Daniel Rodriguez got got it kind of the worst.

1701
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 2: They end up having to face each other in the

1702
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 2: lowest profile fight of the you know, of all the switches.

1703
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 2: You know, it did have great action potential, didn't play

1704
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 2: out that way, but you know they they deserve just

1705
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 2: as much credit as Holland accepting a five run Cha

1706
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 2: maya fight for that whole thing standing together. So yeah,

1707
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 2: I think he did get a handful Luke. Maybe not

1708
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 2: the full milk bag, but maybe like they spilled a

1709
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 2: few on the way out and he grabbed it.

1710
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit there. I mean, that's nice of Holland.

1711
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he's a bad guy at all.

1712
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: We want to get him on the room service diaries

1713
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 1: catch at some point, so we'll see how that goes.

1714
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I mean in the end, like there's

1715
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people who attribute certain factors for certain

1716
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,719
Speaker 1: events that I in MM I have found over time,

1717
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: you'd be wise to be skeptical of that. So we'll see.

1718
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 2: Luke Chris Barnett who stole all of our hearts there

1719
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 2: at two seventy nine, chatted with Ariel and Luke this

1720
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:11,600
Speaker 2: whole idea about this overprotective doctor that halted the weightcut

1721
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 2: of Chamaiah. According to Barnett, this is real for him too.

1722
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 2: So he said, the doctor is looking at me and saying,

1723
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 2: my body's hot. You're this, you're that. I don't want

1724
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 2: you to cut this pound. I'm telling you right now,

1725
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 2: word for word, he says, I'm telling you right now.

1726
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 2: If I let you cut this pound and a half,

1727
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 2: I am condemning you to lose. Watch this. In five minutes,

1728
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to check again, and his heart rate is

1729
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 2: going to be higher than it was. Well, of course

1730
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 2: it is. When he comes back over, it's higher the

1731
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 2: second time. So the doctor goes, no, you can't fight tomorrow,

1732
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 2: but you're not cutting this pound and a half. So

1733
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:43,639
Speaker 2: Luke Barnett's claiming he could have made it no problem,

1734
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 2: but the doctor was over sensitive. I mean, dude, weightcutting

1735
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 2: is so barbarically brutal on combat sports athletes bodies and

1736
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 2: mind and long term you know, shelf value and all

1737
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 2: that that. Anything that halts that, oh yeah, I'm into that,

1738
01:20:58,280 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 2: but I also don't want to see these guys get

1739
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 2: a big financial hit they didn't expect to have to take.

1740
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 2: You know, that makes that's fair right.

1741
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 1: Also, isn't this exactly what I told you? Happened to

1742
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 1: my friend? He had his heart rate measured and they

1743
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: told him he couldn't cut weight, and I asked him

1744
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: how he felt. He was like, dude, I could have

1745
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 1: cut wait, no problem, no problem. It's this sounds like

1746
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 1: the exact same thing, which, by the way, could have

1747
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: been what happened to Tremaiav as well. Now we don't

1748
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 1: know with any certainty, but if what he's saying is

1749
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 1: here is true, this is the exact same thing happened

1750
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 1: to my friend in California. Justin Barry shouts to Justin Barry,

1751
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: and he assured me he was like, dude, I felt

1752
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: completely fine. I could have easily cut weight. So you know,

1753
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm not here to tell you that the medical doctor

1754
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 1: doesn't know what he's doing or or what the situation is.

1755
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 1: I can't make a medical prescription, but I can tell

1756
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 1: you that like I hear from fighters now somewhat commonly,

1757
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: as there is more attention paid to weightcutting and then

1758
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 1: the fighter's condition before they really go into the last

1759
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 1: and final bit of weightcutting about what medical screenings are

1760
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 1: in place and how that impacts their ability. You're seeing

1761
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 1: this more and more now. I just wonder, like, here's

1762
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 1: the thing. If the doctor stops you from cutting weight

1763
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,799
Speaker 1: versus I tried to cut weight and I just couldn't

1764
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: make it, should there be a different punishment? Like, for example,

1765
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 1: point so like you, if you try to make it

1766
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 1: and you're still three pounds over, that's one thing. But

1767
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: if you're like, dude, I can make this fucking weight.

1768
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 1: Remember Barnett was like two sixty seven or something to

1769
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 1: sixty eight. He was only like a pound or two over.

1770
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: I feel like, if the doctor stops you, maybe it

1771
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: should be ten percent. I don't know.

1772
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really that that catch twenty two because

1773
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 2: you're right in a lot of ways of everything you

1774
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 2: just said. But all this does is further show you

1775
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 2: how fed up the weight cutting system foundationally is and

1776
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,679
Speaker 2: how you are able to make such extreme cuts even

1777
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 2: with the rules and the boundaries they've put on, you know, dehydration,

1778
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:50,640
Speaker 2: I don't even We're finally starting to get some of

1779
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 2: that right, but look, it's still the wild West. If

1780
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 2: your body can do it f the future or the

1781
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 2: price you pay or all that I'm gonna do it. Dude,

1782
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 2: that sucks. I know, like if you're in former wrestler

1783
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 2: in high school whatever, you're probably like, dude, we can't

1784
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 2: pussify everything. I get it, we can't. You know, this

1785
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 2: also can kill people. I mean I've heard Rashad tell

1786
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,719
Speaker 2: me a million times what it's like to fight after

1787
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 2: a really hard weightcut and how much more likely you

1788
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 2: are to get knocked out, and you know all that

1789
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 2: and how it affects your brain. I mean, look, this

1790
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 2: ship is already the most unsafe job ever, and I

1791
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 2: feel like we're still using this old system. I mean, maybe,

1792
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 2: like what's the fix there? You know, have everybody weigh

1793
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 2: in before they walk in the cage, and if you're

1794
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 2: in the you know, the accepted weight class, then you

1795
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 2: made it. I mean probably not. You're probably setting exactly

1796
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 2: You're probably setting yourself up for even more issues. So

1797
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 2: there's always going to be need to be some type

1798
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 2: of ability for people to squeeze in where that you know,

1799
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 2: where they're going to be better. But I just feel

1800
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 2: like anything that we do to like make it easier

1801
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 2: to destroy your body and mind more. I mean when

1802
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 2: people look, how many times do people will up and

1803
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 2: wait and go, oh my god, I'm back physically and mentally,

1804
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:04,600
Speaker 2: like I can't believe I used to do that.

1805
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: You know, here's my thing about weight cutting this way

1806
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 1: I always come back to. People want to dramatize it

1807
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: a lot. I'm like dude in MMA, in MMA, forget

1808
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 1: about collegiate wrestling in IT, which is a very different

1809
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 1: set of scenarios. In MMA, who has solved the weight

1810
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 1: cutting problem anywhere? Anywhere? Nobody? Nobody had chat chat, They didn't,

1811
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 1: they didn't figure a fucking thing out. Nothing. Okay, it

1812
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 1: was zero. So my point is this, at some point,

1813
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,640
Speaker 1: why doesn't it dawn on people you can't really legislate

1814
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 1: your way around this problem. Why why haven't we come

1815
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 1: to that realization. What set of rules are you really

1816
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 1: going to pass to really fix deter this, solve this problem.

1817
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 1: I am not convinced that any set of rules actually

1818
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 1: exists to be able to do that, And so to me,

1819
01:24:57,479 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: at some point, it's like, let's just find a more

1820
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 1: humane way to do this and less penalization and then

1821
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 1: just fucking move on with our day. Right.

1822
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 2: One thing I'll say though. Look again, if you've got

1823
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 2: a wrestling background and you're like, dude, tough enough, that's

1824
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 2: the you know, that's what happens. I get it. But

1825
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 2: there's a lot of shit that we dealt with as

1826
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 2: normal in our childhood that now we're like, oh my god,

1827
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 2: I can't believe that. Watch a video of somebody making

1828
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:23,480
Speaker 2: an elite UFC fighter making an extreme cut. It's horrifying.

1829
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 2: I mean seriously, it's I don't know how you can

1830
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 2: watch that though and just be like, yeah, man, that's

1831
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 2: part of the game, you know, Like Okay, I mean,

1832
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 2: that's why I don't play that.

1833
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying listen, I'm not The argument would not

1834
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 1: be doing nothing like, for example, getting a doctor to

1835
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 1: look at someone measure their heart rate and be like, hey,

1836
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 1: as a medical in honoring my hippocratic oath and looking

1837
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 1: at what I'm looking at, I forbid you from cutting

1838
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: weight so that we don't get these you know, whether

1839
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 1: or not this was over zealous or not, but I

1840
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:52,759
Speaker 1: think most people would agree in general, having a medical

1841
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 1: professional on staff who can evaluate fighters and prevent them

1842
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 1: from making extreme cuts is probably something that we should have.

1843
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 1: That seems like on a good idea. It doesn't solve

1844
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 1: a lot of the other problems. In fact, it creates

1845
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 1: some new ones. But this is my point. It's like, dude,

1846
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: let's do what we can to make this humane. Weigh

1847
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: these guys in on Tuesday, try to follow them through,

1848
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: to try to put in whatever place you can measures

1849
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 1: to minimize the damage from weight cutting. I am totally

1850
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: on board with that. But this, like, there's this constant

1851
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 1: like banging their fists down on the fore Mica, like

1852
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 1: their MMA's Karen's asking to speak to the manager. Why

1853
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 1: they haven't figured this out yet? No one has figured

1854
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 1: this out because I don't think there's a set of

1855
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 1: solutions that exist given the realities of how who these are,

1856
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 1: independent contractors, They're coming in from all over the world.

1857
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:39,600
Speaker 1: There's how much you can actually measure, how much you

1858
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 1: can legislate, what they can do, what they look like,

1859
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 1: what their health condition is on Tuesday as opposed to Friday.

1860
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 1: All kinds of shit. There's all kinds of things you

1861
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 1: cannot control. And for that reason, the handwringing over this

1862
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 1: I think needs to fucking stop. You cannot fix this

1863
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 1: problem in the way that people imagine that they can.

1864
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas coming hard in the paint with this same

1865
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 2: energy as ped talk Luke. So I'll give you that credit.

1866
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 2: You know you brought it.

1867
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 1: You deliver, minimize the harms and fucking move on. Like

1868
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 1: I don't understand.

1869
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 2: Stuff being a pussy BC. Right, let's you know that's

1870
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 2: not what I'm saying.

1871
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 1: You want to I want to hear on the side

1872
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 1: of safety, but like we got to figure out weightcutting. Yeah,

1873
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: by all means, let me know what you figure out.

1874
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: I would love to hear it.

1875
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 2: Hey, I'll get back to you. Let's go to topic

1876
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 2: five and that's I guess non UFC two seventy nine

1877
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 2: quick hitters. So let's go right here. Look, Benil Dariush

1878
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:31,639
Speaker 2: has revealed he's.

1879
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: Expected hold hold on, hold on, breaking news, hold on.

1880
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 1: You got to hear this. This is from Damon Martin

1881
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 1: of MMA Fighting Aspen Lad reportedly dealing with another tough

1882
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 1: weightcut ahead of her fight against Sarah McMahon. Her sources,

1883
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 1: I mean.

1884
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 2: I mean the thing is, it may have already been

1885
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:54,560
Speaker 2: been time to stick to the potential reinvention at featherweight.

1886
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 2: She had the one fight against Norma Dumont lost. It

1887
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 2: didn't look particularly great. I'm maybe that was the time

1888
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,599
Speaker 2: to just go all in because she's had, like Luke,

1889
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 2: what is it four or five times, she's had like

1890
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 2: legit issues. She's almost passed out in the scale. Damn, Luke,

1891
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 2: A lot of talent there, can't get it together. I

1892
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 2: hope she you know, I hope. I don't know. I'm speechless,

1893
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 2: Luke speechless over here.

1894
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: I'm not speechless. And the words of Das, I'm not surprised.

1895
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 2: Wow wow. If you like dogs and hiking, Luke, she's

1896
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 2: got an interesting Instagram account. Okay, I like.

1897
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 1: Aspelet I have nothing against her, but you know, she

1898
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 1: is stuck in a situation where she cannot reliably and

1899
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 1: consistently make weight. It appears, so we'll see, we'll all right.

1900
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 2: Bernio Darius reveals she's expected to serve as the backup

1901
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 2: to Charles olivera versus Islam Maha chev and their lightweight title.

1902
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 2: What is there a unification or is that just a

1903
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 2: regular fight? Yeah, UFC two to eighty, No one is there. No,

1904
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 2: there's no belt at stay. Actually they're both fighting for

1905
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 2: the full belt. That's the the asterisk in this situation.

1906
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,799
Speaker 2: After that weight issue, here's Darry use talking to mm fighting.

1907
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,640
Speaker 2: That's what my manager, Ali told me. I was the

1908
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:03,639
Speaker 2: backup for this. Daryush revealed later that if something goes

1909
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 2: wrong that they would just put him out. Yeah, that's

1910
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:08,640
Speaker 2: what it means. But Luke Habib, close to the situation,

1911
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 2: tweeted out quote, I just think Charles Olivero will not

1912
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 2: show up in Abu Dhabi and the UFC will replace

1913
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 2: Charles with Benil Dirush regardless of who the opponent will be.

1914
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 2: Maha Chavazon his way to being the best in the world.

1915
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 2: End quote. Luke did Habib said that that tweet or

1916
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 2: was that an Ali special? I mean, let's be fair here.

1917
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, because Ali has his own

1918
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:31,839
Speaker 1: kind of way where you can kind of tell Ali

1919
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 1: wrote it, this one doesn't look quite like that. It

1920
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:38,719
Speaker 1: looks like Habib or maybe somebody else other than Habib,

1921
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 1: and Ali wrote it, I don't know. I don't understand this,

1922
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 1: these fucking comments, being like you fighters see it all

1923
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 1: the time, like I've just seen it in my mind

1924
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 1: where someone so doesn't show up and sometimes they're right

1925
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 1: obviously like it does happen, but more often than not,

1926
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 1: like tally up the number of times a fighter, boxer

1927
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: or MMA where on fight weight they're like, yeah, I

1928
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 1: see this happening at the way, or I see this

1929
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 1: happening at the fight, and like, none of that shit

1930
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 1: ever comes true. You hear it all the fucking time.

1931
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,599
Speaker 1: So I don't know if they've got inside information about

1932
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 1: Charles maybe having trouble with Wade or whatever the fuck,

1933
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 1: or Visas or who knows, who the hell knows, and

1934
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:18,559
Speaker 1: that this is kind of an early leak in that way,

1935
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 1: maybe that there's something there. But I gotta tell you

1936
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: the amount of times I've heard someone so like, I

1937
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 1: see this happening and then you know the exact opposite happened.

1938
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:26,320
Speaker 1: It's like it's really regular.

1939
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 2: Okay, it could be Ali, it could just be Habib

1940
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 2: like gamesmanship trying to get in Oliver's head, or like

1941
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 2: you said, furthering the intel that they've heard, is any

1942
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 2: part of this Habib the competitor, like looking at what

1943
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:41,559
Speaker 2: Charlie Olives has done and the names he's added in

1944
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 2: the short term and just saying like, dude, slow your

1945
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:46,760
Speaker 2: damn role. Not only am my training my guy to

1946
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 2: beat you, but you're getting a little too close to

1947
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 2: the sun here in terms of what I built at

1948
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 2: lightweight historically. You know anything there, Luke. I'm not saying

1949
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 2: that Bebe's gonna come back if Mahchev gets knocked out.

1950
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that of his word, but the competitor

1951
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,120
Speaker 2: in him is still looking at this with a sharp eye.

1952
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: Correct. How much do you really believe that Habib thinks

1953
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 1: Charles's resume is as good as his whatever. I'm not

1954
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 1: saying what you think about the resumes.

1955
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 2: Not in direct comparison. I feel like Habib might say

1956
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,519
Speaker 2: to himself, look at all the attention this guy's getting

1957
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 2: right now in the wake of me walking away. This

1958
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 2: guy used because I think all the guys look at

1959
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 2: him and go, okay, right, he's been great lately, But

1960
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 2: I wonder if they still look at him for who

1961
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 2: they knew him before that. A lot of that was

1962
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 2: what he was in the wrong division, of course, a featherweight.

1963
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 2: But he shuffled and juggled big wins and big losses.

1964
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:42,679
Speaker 2: And you know, it wasn't always on Waight, wasn't always

1965
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:45,599
Speaker 2: you know, the best of himself. That's why this late

1966
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 2: this late turn has been such a fun story. And

1967
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:50,559
Speaker 2: good God, does he find a way to win huge

1968
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 2: fights against killers one after another. So I think it's

1969
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:55,800
Speaker 2: a Bib just getting a little uncomfortable with the like, yo,

1970
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:58,639
Speaker 2: I just left the game, my boys next, and now

1971
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 2: you made us wait a long time. I'm while this guy,

1972
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 2: you know, flaunts that he's, you know, the best. I

1973
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 2: know that guy is not the best. I know that guy.

1974
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 2: I think there's a little bit of fire still in

1975
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 2: that bie belly, Luke, even if he won't break mother

1976
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:12,799
Speaker 2: and father's word.

1977
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 1: There's no doubt he would love for Islam to win.

1978
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I don't really believe in Habib's

1979
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 1: heart of hearts. He thinks that Charles's resume is on

1980
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 1: par with his. I don't believe that.

1981
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:26,599
Speaker 2: No, But it's the attention, Luke, it's the talk, it's

1982
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 2: the it's the fuck that guy mentality.

1983
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:31,720
Speaker 1: Right, Maybe there might be something to be said for that.

1984
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 1: You know, these guys are also intensely competitive, So it's

1985
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 1: a little silly for me to dismiss that. Yeah, you're right,

1986
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 1: you know what, you know what? I think you convinced

1987
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 1: me that.

1988
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 2: Try to play armchair psychologists for the UFC is like

1989
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 2: trying to look into like a high school cafeteria lunch table, Luke,

1990
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 2: and like, you know, try to figure out the power

1991
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:50,639
Speaker 2: dynamics of the different clicks.

1992
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 1: You know, well, since I moved around as a kid

1993
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 1: so much, I was usually alone.

1994
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 2: So well you could get that.

1995
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 1: You can tell the dynamics to where I was sitting.

1996
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:00,920
Speaker 2: If you watch season five of Cobra Kai, which your boycotting, Luke,

1997
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 2: it's fan halfway through with the kids. It's fantastic, Luke.

1998
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:07,480
Speaker 1: Can I just say, very unequivocally, the lives of teenagers

1999
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:08,280
Speaker 1: are not interesting.

2000
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 2: You're missing this, You're missing this one.

2001
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: That's the boat, Juliet. It's like, I don't care about

2002
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 1: your uninteresting lives.

2003
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 2: There's a hooker on the boat, Luke. And her name

2004
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 2: is Brandy. And she's a fine girl. I mean, what

2005
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 2: a good wife, right, you know what I mean? She

2006
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 2: watched it. Look, all these songs are probably written about

2007
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 2: just you know, outrageously promiscuous women. But you know what, Luke,

2008
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 2: It's that's fine. That's fine, okay, you know right?

2009
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 1: You know.

2010
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 2: Hey, Marlon Morish is not done fighting, dude. What Look?

2011
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:40,759
Speaker 2: The former World Series of Fighting champion is somewhat returning

2012
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 2: to his roots here, signing with the PFL for the

2013
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three season. He's lost five of his last

2014
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:49,600
Speaker 2: six to close his UFC career, including four straight. The

2015
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 2: only win was that split decision went over Jose Aldo,

2016
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:54,599
Speaker 2: which I think too often people say, well, although won

2017
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 2: that fight, No he didn't. He didn't win the fight.

2018
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 2: He left the back door open in the second half

2019
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 2: of the third round. Rewatch it, Luke. When somebody's still

2020
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 2: young and feels like they got it, man, people will

2021
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,639
Speaker 2: still offer you money to fight. What is the best

2022
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 2: case scenario here for Marlon Moris and trying to find

2023
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 2: new life.

2024
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 1: Not getting I don't love this, don't love this. I

2025
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 1: thought that what he showed at the end of his like, Okay,

2026
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:27,600
Speaker 1: our guys in the PFL, on balance, easier to beat

2027
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:31,719
Speaker 1: than the guys in the UFC. Okay, yes, on balance,

2028
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 1: But number one, you've got guys in PFL who are

2029
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:38,680
Speaker 1: very much UFC level and above number one. Number two,

2030
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 1: this is a featherweight because PFL doesn't have a bantamweight division.

2031
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 1: That's the problem. And three, my major takeaway from his

2032
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:50,000
Speaker 1: end run there and the UFC was that his chin

2033
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 1: has been taken from him, which is you know, nothing

2034
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:57,400
Speaker 1: he can do about that. Really at this point, which

2035
01:34:57,400 --> 01:34:59,519
Speaker 1: also in the case he's probably suffered a fair amount

2036
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:03,000
Speaker 1: of brain trauma. Yeah, don't love it. Don't love it

2037
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 1: at all.

2038
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 2: If he hadn't been knocked out four consecutive times in

2039
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:11,600
Speaker 2: pretty disastrous ways, Uh, this will be a different conversation.

2040
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 2: I thought he was younger. He's thirty four, so you

2041
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 2: know there's there's legitimate concern, you know, legitimate concern. But

2042
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 2: if he if he hadn't been knocked out all those

2043
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:23,600
Speaker 2: you'd be like, well, could he just drop down in

2044
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,599
Speaker 2: competition level? But this is a bad idea, you're right, Uh, Luke,

2045
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:29,719
Speaker 2: how about this idea? November fifth UFC fight night, Bryce

2046
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 2: Mitchell versus moltsar ev Loev. Yeah, I don't know if

2047
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:35,720
Speaker 2: that's the main event. Is that gonna move you?

2048
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 1: Is that gonna move me? That is a fucking amazing

2049
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:41,920
Speaker 1: fight you got Bryce, And by the way, there's bad

2050
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,800
Speaker 1: blood between them. Bryce Mitchell, who has been you know,

2051
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 1: he's got crazy views. But my man is super talented

2052
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 1: on the matter. He's talented on the feet as well.

2053
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 2: But like he is good, he choose coffee grinds, Luke,

2054
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:55,000
Speaker 2: he choose the grounds.

2055
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:56,640
Speaker 1: I used to dip those when I was in the

2056
01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:58,639
Speaker 1: military just to wake up. But he just choose them

2057
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 1: shits like he's a fucking hard as nails. But dude,

2058
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 1: and I know, there's a better way to pronounce Evlov

2059
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 1: than the way we're doing it. I forget exactly how

2060
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:10,600
Speaker 1: you pronounce it. But he undefeated, absolute physical powerhouse. I

2061
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:13,599
Speaker 1: think probably the better wrestler and scrambler of the two,

2062
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:16,719
Speaker 1: maybe not as much of a dynamic submission threat relative

2063
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 1: to Bryce Mitchell. That is an amazing contest, But I

2064
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:21,719
Speaker 1: will say I don't know if it's the main event

2065
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:23,600
Speaker 1: for that card either. I don't know if it is

2066
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 1: or what that's gonna happen, But that fight needs to

2067
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:27,000
Speaker 1: be five rounds, not three?

2068
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 2: Is what country is v Loof from?

2069
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 1: Russia?

2070
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 2: Oh? Should we be fitting him for a hammer? And

2071
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:39,719
Speaker 2: my am, I soon to be set up cupboard here, Luke?

2072
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 2: When I need a mallet or a or an Hermaga

2073
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 2: met off or.

2074
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:45,639
Speaker 1: You mean the props that Malka is gonna make for you?

2075
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 2: I hope, I hope, Luke. Okay, there you go. I

2076
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 2: guess I should be forming the wood together because you've

2077
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 2: certainly already have. I mean, you got the phoner Okay, Luke,

2078
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 2: Honey Yahya is out of Is Cody Garbrandt fight UFC

2079
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 2: Vegas sixty one neck injury? A replacement opponent is sought

2080
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 2: to keep Garbrandt on the card. You see all those

2081
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 2: videos of Garbrandt biting down doing that work, Everyone's send

2082
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,920
Speaker 2: it to me like it's front row. Have you seen

2083
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 2: this shit? Look he's doing the head dude, That's how

2084
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:18,439
Speaker 2: you worked your damn neck, right, I mean, don't you

2085
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:20,519
Speaker 2: want Cody Garbrant to be working on this? Luke?

2086
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand what the problem with that is. It

2087
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 1: doesn't seem crazy to me. He's biting down, so he's

2088
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 1: creating tension and then he's, yeah, you know, using the

2089
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 1: band for accommodated resistance to get his neck stronger. Yeah,

2090
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:34,559
Speaker 1: like that's exactly what he needs to be doing. What's

2091
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:35,559
Speaker 1: the problem with any of that?

2092
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 2: I think people thought it was a sexual motion. I'm like,

2093
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 2: that's why you're doing boxing gyms all the time. They

2094
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:43,559
Speaker 2: make that. Okay, all right, Luke, Hane Yaya is out?

2095
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 2: Though you have a feeling here.

2096
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 1: An opinion problem was that was like the perfect opponent

2097
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:51,639
Speaker 1: for Garbrandt to get a w because obviously honey Yaya

2098
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 1: is tough and amazing on the ground. Yeah, but you know,

2099
01:37:57,120 --> 01:37:59,040
Speaker 1: Garbrandt should be faster and should be able to light

2100
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 1: him up on the feet. And it's not like, honey

2101
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:06,040
Speaker 1: Aaya is a super significant knockout threat, but you'll lose that.

2102
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what to do with him. I'm not sure.

2103
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:10,479
Speaker 2: Look, I saw this tweet about this next fight from

2104
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 2: Bretto Komodo, and it was written in a way where

2105
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 2: you did wonder if he if he'd indeed had a phoner.

2106
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 2: Calvin Cater Arnold Allen, Yeah, October twenty ninth UFC Fight

2107
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:23,599
Speaker 2: Night expected to headline. We know it's great, how great?

2108
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:24,880
Speaker 2: How great of a fight is this, Luke?

2109
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 1: That is an unbelievable fight. Finally, finally, Arnold Allen's going

2110
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 1: to get tested against the very very top of that

2111
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 1: division or you know, write at it, five round contest.

2112
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:38,240
Speaker 1: Calvin Cator looks to me. You know, I thought, I thought,

2113
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:41,600
Speaker 1: I really thought that Max Holloway was going to do

2114
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 1: a number on him, and he did. But he has

2115
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 1: rebounded better than I thought, starting with a giga Chakazi fight.

2116
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:50,720
Speaker 1: And I love this. I love everything about this. This

2117
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 1: is really if Arnold Allen's going to really make a move.

2118
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:57,559
Speaker 1: All roads lead through cater so to him and through him.

2119
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:01,799
Speaker 1: So I love this content, really really fun. One.

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01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do this. Let's find out If Ronald Allen's

2121
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:08,759
Speaker 2: coming on, then this is the fight to further hammer

2122
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 2: that shit home. So we'll see. Luke, I don't know

2123
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:13,360
Speaker 2: if this moves you at all. He's one and one

2124
01:39:13,439 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 2: as an amateur MMA fighter, but yet another grandson of

2125
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 2: the late great Muhammad Ali is gonna tip his toes

2126
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 2: in professional combat sports, this time in MMA b aggo.

2127
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:29,639
Speaker 2: Ali Walsh has signed a contract with the PFL. Luke

2128
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 2: here's the quote from the press release. I want to

2129
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 2: thank PFL for their support and confidence in me. I

2130
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 2: can't wait to enter the PFL smart cage. I have

2131
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:39,800
Speaker 2: a legacy to live up to a legacy that my

2132
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:43,599
Speaker 2: grandfather began, that my brother and I continue. I choose

2133
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:45,800
Speaker 2: to continue that legacy here in PFL. My one and

2134
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:48,799
Speaker 2: only goal is to one day become a PFL World champion,

2135
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 2: he says his brother. So is he Nico Ali Walsh's brother,

2136
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:53,559
Speaker 2: It would seem right. The young boxer that top rank

2137
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 2: is given a lot of time to of late Luke

2138
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 2: how how happy are you that be? Azio ali Wall

2139
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 2: shouted out both the legacy of his late grandfather and

2140
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 2: the PFL Smart Cage in the same damn sentence. That

2141
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 2: cage is so fucking smart, bro good lord, right.

2142
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 1: I wonder you know, why isn't that smart cage playing? Like, like,

2143
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:21,280
Speaker 1: we should get the smart cage on Jeopardy. Remember when

2144
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:23,120
Speaker 1: they had like deep Blue and shit like that on

2145
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:25,120
Speaker 1: what was it on Jeopardy? I remember when they had

2146
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 1: like the the IBM machine that.

2147
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that. It was lame though, I mean

2148
01:40:29,439 --> 01:40:31,479
Speaker 2: that was just a bunch of nerds like jerking off

2149
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:32,639
Speaker 2: and stuff, you know, like.

2150
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:34,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a smart cage, right, that's who they

2151
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 1: should be around. I want to see him play the

2152
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:39,360
Speaker 1: grand Masters of Chess. I want to see it solve

2153
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:42,720
Speaker 1: like you know, you know, you know, what, would God

2154
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:44,600
Speaker 1: create a stone he cannot lift problems?

2155
01:40:45,439 --> 01:40:47,200
Speaker 2: You know, there's been weird pay per views once in

2156
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:48,760
Speaker 2: a while, like you know, Hard Stern used to do

2157
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:50,760
Speaker 2: those New Year's pay per view shows. How about a

2158
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 2: pay per viewed debate Dana White versus the Smart Cage

2159
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:57,800
Speaker 2: No topics off the table? Would you would you pay

2160
01:40:57,800 --> 01:40:59,440
Speaker 2: for that?

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01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:01,479
Speaker 1: That's a smart I don't know if Dan hasn't ready

2162
01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:01,720
Speaker 1: for that.

2163
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna have to face the music of this.

2164
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 2: ESPN could put that on. By the way, they're in

2165
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:10,080
Speaker 2: bed with both of them. Bkfc's David Feldman, the promoter,

2166
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 2: he wants Nate Diaz and Luke. He's got a dream

2167
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:16,200
Speaker 2: opponent for him. Here's the quote on the BKFC show,

2168
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:19,640
Speaker 2: there's a there's a show. Really, I can't tell you

2169
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 2: whether Nate's coming or not, but I can't tell you

2170
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:24,120
Speaker 2: that we want him here at BKFC, and we're going

2171
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:26,400
Speaker 2: to do everything we can to get him a bare

2172
01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:28,599
Speaker 2: knuckle fight. I think that the fans would absolutely love

2173
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:31,360
Speaker 2: to see both have the same type of personality. Both

2174
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:35,599
Speaker 2: guys just keep fighting. Nate Diaz versus Mike Perry would

2175
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:38,720
Speaker 2: be a fans dream fight, Luke. Mike Perry also put

2176
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:40,960
Speaker 2: out a video of him smarking up a joint calling

2177
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:45,160
Speaker 2: Nate on. I know Nate potentially has much bigger fish

2178
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:48,880
Speaker 2: to fry outside of the UFC, but if he went

2179
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:52,000
Speaker 2: fishing in in this in this pool, Luke, I think

2180
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 2: somebody urinated in that pool. But if he did, would

2181
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 2: you get fired up? Because him and Mike Perry is

2182
01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 2: to me with I mean, you could put it in

2183
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:02,960
Speaker 2: humbling farms, Luke, and I'm giving I'm saying. I'm saying,

2184
01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 2: f the future, forget, forget my liver. I gotta go

2185
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 2: all in.

2186
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have a phone, or I would just be

2187
01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:15,160
Speaker 1: as flashed as a dead eel. I mean, it would

2188
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:17,720
Speaker 1: just be I don't have anything for that one. O.

2189
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 2: You that's not true. Idea, that is not true. Stop

2190
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:23,040
Speaker 2: you're trying to You're trying to be too good for this.

2191
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 2: You're not you vape watermelon.

2192
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm not too good for it, but you.

2193
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 1: I mean, what you want me to do on this

2194
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:31,639
Speaker 1: show is tell you how I really feel, Right, That's

2195
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:34,240
Speaker 1: what you want me to do. My level of interest

2196
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:36,679
Speaker 1: in Nate Diaz Mike Perry, I mean, I like to dude,

2197
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 1: Mike Perry is doing this thing in BKFC. I'm not

2198
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:41,160
Speaker 1: mad at him, but my interest in Nate Diaz in

2199
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 1: BKFC versus Mike Perry or anyone else is less than zero,

2200
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:46,360
Speaker 1: if that's even possible.

2201
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:51,240
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, okay, I feel like I just got disciplined

2202
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:54,120
Speaker 2: or something, Luke, Mickey Gaul No, longer under UFC contract

2203
01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:57,640
Speaker 2: still possible, he can re sign. Will he ever have

2204
01:42:57,680 --> 01:43:00,760
Speaker 2: a moment beyond the day see I'm punk thing?

2205
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:05,200
Speaker 1: Or I think that was the moment? Yeah, right, that

2206
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:05,680
Speaker 1: that was it?

2207
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:07,639
Speaker 2: Too much too somebody can fight.

2208
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:10,759
Speaker 1: He can fight, He's got some He got viciously knocked

2209
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:13,760
Speaker 1: out in his last contest by was it Melot? I

2210
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 1: think yeah, team Alpha Male. He's got some abilities. It's

2211
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 1: not like he doesn't have and he's been training with

2212
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:22,439
Speaker 1: good teams, like there's no denying it. But dude, this

2213
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:25,320
Speaker 1: is the lesson. Do not go to the UFC until

2214
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:29,160
Speaker 1: you are really ready. Like however, you know, it's funny,

2215
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:33,559
Speaker 1: b see. I listened to Deontay Wilder recently on the

2216
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:36,280
Speaker 1: Last Stand podcast the the you know the one the

2217
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:41,840
Speaker 1: Showtime podcast Brian crin Custer and Deontay was saying, like,

2218
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, I really recommend to broke boxers. If you're

2219
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 1: on your way, like things are moving, but you're still broke,

2220
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:52,040
Speaker 1: stay broke for a little while, longer you've already survived

2221
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:55,360
Speaker 1: that longer, wait until the really right contract comes around

2222
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:59,680
Speaker 1: before you sign away everything. And it just reminded me

2223
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:02,160
Speaker 1: of how many guys are like destitute or you know,

2224
01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:04,080
Speaker 1: don't have much money competing on the regional scene, and

2225
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:05,320
Speaker 1: they want to get to the UFC where they can

2226
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,519
Speaker 1: get much more money, which of course is the most

2227
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:10,799
Speaker 1: understandable thing in the world. But then sometimes they badly

2228
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:13,600
Speaker 1: fuck up their development. And I think that's what the

2229
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:17,599
Speaker 1: trap that gall found himself in. And not sure, what's

2230
01:44:17,720 --> 01:44:18,479
Speaker 1: not sure? What's next?

2231
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:22,679
Speaker 2: Final quick hitter Luke Mike Coppenter of ESPN reporting that

2232
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 2: we all want Spence Crawford right. He's saying it's just

2233
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:29,120
Speaker 2: about almost done. November nineteenth would be the date in

2234
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:32,160
Speaker 2: Las Vegas. He says they have agreed on everything, but

2235
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:35,000
Speaker 2: they have not signed the contract. There's still some lawyering

2236
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:41,640
Speaker 2: to do. But according to Coppinger, Bud Crawford agreed to

2237
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:43,840
Speaker 2: the lesser of the financial split, so it won't be

2238
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:46,559
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty. We don't know the percentage, and they

2239
01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:49,760
Speaker 2: both agreed to a rematch clause that can be activated

2240
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:52,440
Speaker 2: by the loser, but the winner would get a significant

2241
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:56,360
Speaker 2: advantage in the perse split in the rematch. I almost

2242
01:44:56,360 --> 01:44:58,360
Speaker 2: don't even want to talk about it, Luke, until until

2243
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 2: I you know, until we hear about it. But yeah, yeah,

2244
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:07,880
Speaker 2: bro right, hell, yeah, come on, come on, do it?

2245
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:11,439
Speaker 1: Is there is there any truth? I saw some rumors

2246
01:45:11,479 --> 01:45:12,840
Speaker 1: being like they don't know if it's going to be

2247
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:14,800
Speaker 1: on Showtime or Fox. Have you heard anything about that?

2248
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:16,640
Speaker 2: I have not heard anything like that. We have not

2249
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:20,040
Speaker 2: received any intel leaning but you know, yeah, I think

2250
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:21,160
Speaker 2: I know where I want it to be on.

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01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:24,559
Speaker 1: Luke Okay, yeah, I mean if it's on Fox, I'll cry,

2252
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:28,320
Speaker 1: and if it's on Showtime, I will cry out of happiness.

2253
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. Maybe we should call it on

2254
01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 2: showtime pay per view. Well you and I just you,

2255
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:35,040
Speaker 2: and I know we don't need we don't need fighters

2256
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:36,640
Speaker 2: or play by play guys, just you and I.

2257
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 1: Luke. Yeah, how about this, al Abner Morrow your fire?

2258
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sorry, Wow, you just disrespected Al more than that

2259
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:48,599
Speaker 2: guy blown trailler weed in his face.

2260
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:48,880
Speaker 1: Luke.

2261
01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 2: Wow, all right, let's close the show so we don't

2262
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 2: go over two hours here with this. It gives you

2263
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 2: the chance to call us out for once. Morning Coombat

2264
01:45:57,120 --> 01:45:59,599
Speaker 2: at gmail dot com is the email address. It's where

2265
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:01,759
Speaker 2: you send your fan subs on Wednesday, but on Friday,

2266
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:04,439
Speaker 2: the ship gets real and you better have a receipt.

2267
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:13,200
Speaker 2: This one's called dead wrong, all right, Uh, they're coming

2268
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:15,280
Speaker 2: after you here, Luke, or maybe it's me. I don't know.

2269
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:17,559
Speaker 2: Colton sent this in, so did Quinn and Adam. They

2270
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:20,240
Speaker 2: say hi, Luke. On Monday of your broadcast, Brian mentioned

2271
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:24,360
Speaker 2: that Connor throwing a dolly against the bus traumatized Joanna

2272
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:27,760
Speaker 2: Young j Check it was actually Rosanama Units that was traumatized.

2273
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:28,439
Speaker 2: Love your show.

2274
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:30,240
Speaker 1: You said, I don't listen to you.

2275
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:33,200
Speaker 2: I might have, you know, because I do have Yoana

2276
01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:35,200
Speaker 2: on the brain from time to time, Luke, So that

2277
01:46:35,240 --> 01:46:36,320
Speaker 2: may have actually.

2278
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 1: Happened, you know.

2279
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:41,600
Speaker 2: But either way, you're right about that. And I mean, dude, Ray.

2280
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:42,840
Speaker 1: I should have I should have caught that. I guess

2281
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:43,559
Speaker 1: I wasn't listening.

2282
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:46,120
Speaker 2: Ray Bord got the glass in the eye, I think, right,

2283
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:48,000
Speaker 2: And I mean people were scared. Who else was on

2284
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:50,640
Speaker 2: that bus? It was Carolina, it was reed Hair. Just

2285
01:46:50,680 --> 01:46:53,920
Speaker 2: assume okay, yes it was on there too. Yeah, damn,

2286
01:46:53,960 --> 01:46:56,240
Speaker 2: I thought, did I not ask him about that? On

2287
01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:58,839
Speaker 2: the couch, Luke. If we get a rematch with Kiessa,

2288
01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:00,639
Speaker 2: I'm going deep, all right.

2289
01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:06,160
Speaker 1: Okay, I had forgotten about that, but yeah, okay, here

2290
01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:06,400
Speaker 1: we go.

2291
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:09,360
Speaker 2: On Monday's episode, BC said that Tony Ferguson finally got

2292
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:12,240
Speaker 2: to an interim title fight versus Justin Gai Chee, when

2293
01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:15,400
Speaker 2: it was, of course, future title holder Kevin Lee, who

2294
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:18,599
Speaker 2: he fought for the interim strap. Tony got injured during

2295
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:21,920
Speaker 2: the infamous Cable trip when they were supposed to unify

2296
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:24,800
Speaker 2: and was stripped. So I'm gonna stop him here. I

2297
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 2: knew that. I thought the Gay Chee fight was also

2298
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:29,080
Speaker 2: for the interim title, wasn't it?

2299
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:31,280
Speaker 1: I thought so as well. Let me double check that here.

2300
01:47:31,320 --> 01:47:33,680
Speaker 1: I believe you are correct. That's not where obviously he

2301
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:35,920
Speaker 1: lost the fight, so it's obviously not where he won it.

2302
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, So the guy was saying, yes, you were.

2303
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:46,479
Speaker 1: Gay Chee for the interim lightweight championship. Yes, you are correct. Okay.

2304
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:48,800
Speaker 2: Maybe he's saying, you know I didn't mention Lee and

2305
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:51,240
Speaker 2: he thought I thought there was only one Anyway, He says, BC,

2306
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 2: I've dead wrong to you in the past for your

2307
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:56,559
Speaker 2: vocabulary sins, but blamed it partially on your consumption of

2308
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:59,439
Speaker 2: gas station delights since you largely cut those out of

2309
01:47:59,439 --> 01:48:03,280
Speaker 2: your diet have and considering Luke didn't call either of

2310
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 2: those in the moment, I think you guys need to

2311
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:08,519
Speaker 2: lay off those legal la goodies, stick that in your

2312
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:12,880
Speaker 2: ethosphere and smoke it. Wow, that's Quinn coming at us.

2313
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:16,880
Speaker 1: Wow, damn all right, kind of harsh. I need those

2314
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:18,439
Speaker 1: things for living. Yeah.

2315
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we close with Adam, he says, I asked scent.

2316
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:26,200
Speaker 2: That's good English. Here in a dead wrong about Monday show.

2317
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:28,360
Speaker 2: But I think this is a dead wrong on the

2318
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:31,280
Speaker 2: crew on Wednesday show. They must have done something wrong

2319
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:35,160
Speaker 2: ethically to BC and given him a mild sedative, because

2320
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:40,000
Speaker 2: how else could he get through a full thirty minutes sedative.

2321
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:43,000
Speaker 2: How else could PC get through thirty minutes of sandhang

2322
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:46,679
Speaker 2: and your dong without ripping down the low hanging fruit.

2323
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:50,320
Speaker 2: I fully believe Luke was truly testing BC's strength as

2324
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:53,719
Speaker 2: a professional by dropping such easy setups as your dong

2325
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:57,559
Speaker 2: has been thrust, he can freeze you dong, and your

2326
01:48:57,640 --> 01:49:01,200
Speaker 2: dong can deliver, you know, Luke. So, I'm so is

2327
01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 2: the they're saying our crew is dead wrong ethically.

2328
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:07,519
Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot of people who are

2329
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:09,880
Speaker 1: easy laughs in this industry. That's what I think.

2330
01:49:10,160 --> 01:49:12,800
Speaker 2: Oh, they think that the crew drugged me so that

2331
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:15,040
Speaker 2: I didn't jump at it, Luke, Right, Yeah.

2332
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 1: They think that, like when I was saying things like, oh,

2333
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:18,880
Speaker 1: I could freeze your dong, You're supposed to be like,

2334
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:20,519
Speaker 1: see he get it. You don't.

2335
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 2: First of all, how do you know I wasn't already drugged.

2336
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 2: It just wasn't by them. Okay, first of all. But

2337
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:28,080
Speaker 2: second of all, Luke, Yeah, I mean look at where

2338
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:30,599
Speaker 2: you know we're we got serious there in the moment, Luke.

2339
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:35,439
Speaker 2: There are people they're Luke fans obviously, who think, like,

2340
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:38,160
Speaker 2: I'm such low rent for the arc of your career

2341
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:40,559
Speaker 2: and how great you are at UFC, that not only

2342
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:43,680
Speaker 2: should you sever the marriage now, no question about it,

2343
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:47,360
Speaker 2: but that if I committed to a full time serious

2344
01:49:47,439 --> 01:49:50,719
Speaker 2: role on this show, that this show actually could achieve

2345
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 2: its peak of wherever the hell it's going. If I

2346
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 2: put my art aside, Luke and focused on the real thing,

2347
01:49:57,600 --> 01:49:59,960
Speaker 2: could we take over the world. That's what they think.

2348
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:01,519
Speaker 2: You'll fuck them, Luke.

2349
01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:05,559
Speaker 1: Well, I'll just say I don't want you any other

2350
01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:08,439
Speaker 1: way than you are. However, if you could sign on

2351
01:50:08,479 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 1: to the morning meetings earlier than two minutes before showtime,

2352
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:12,720
Speaker 1: I would be happy about it.

2353
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:14,559
Speaker 2: I would love that, you know, I'll get it's damned

2354
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:16,240
Speaker 2: if I do or damned if I don't hear Luke.

2355
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:18,120
Speaker 2: Depending on what people come to this show for. Maybe

2356
01:50:18,160 --> 01:50:20,120
Speaker 2: that's the beauty of it, the fact that half the

2357
01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:22,840
Speaker 2: audience hates you, Luke, and half the audience thinks like,

2358
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:25,000
Speaker 2: I'm a hooker that keeps showing up at your door.

2359
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:30,400
Speaker 1: Is that really an accurate representation that half the audience

2360
01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:32,479
Speaker 1: hates me and half think you're a hooker showing up

2361
01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:34,960
Speaker 1: to my show? Or it sounds a little hyperbolic.

2362
01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:38,240
Speaker 2: So you think it's eighty percent of the audience, or

2363
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:40,360
Speaker 2: is fifty percent of the audience loves you? Thirty percent

2364
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:42,240
Speaker 2: of the audience love hates you and always has in

2365
01:50:42,280 --> 01:50:45,200
Speaker 2: the beginning, and then maybe there's a couple strays that

2366
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:47,320
Speaker 2: are like I'm here for the BCR.

2367
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:49,639
Speaker 1: No, I definitely annoy a lot of people. Like that's

2368
01:50:49,720 --> 01:50:52,639
Speaker 1: just been a con continuous reality of my life from

2369
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:54,800
Speaker 1: age one to age forty three. Now that part is

2370
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:58,479
Speaker 1: probably true, but you know how strong that is. It

2371
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 1: goes in and out. You know, I have good months

2372
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:02,519
Speaker 1: with people, I have bad. And then I don't think

2373
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:06,080
Speaker 1: they see you necessarily as a hooker. They see you

2374
01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:10,360
Speaker 1: as like a less charming Chewbacca, you know, just okay,

2375
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:13,200
Speaker 1: just animal making noise, yeah you know, yeah.

2376
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:16,160
Speaker 2: A little rough on the edges, you know, didn't Yeah.

2377
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:17,800
Speaker 1: But always down for the cause, you know what I'm saying,

2378
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:18,439
Speaker 1: Always down for the.

2379
01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:21,760
Speaker 2: Car tie to Evasa for sure, there uh luke. But

2380
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:24,519
Speaker 2: uh you know, I guess I wouldn't have this, this bullshit,

2381
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:26,880
Speaker 2: this show we do any other way. Okay, this is

2382
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:27,360
Speaker 2: what it is.

2383
01:51:28,280 --> 01:51:29,880
Speaker 1: I like, I like you just the way you are.

2384
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:33,800
Speaker 2: We see, thank you, thank you. Okay, Uh, that's it.

2385
01:51:33,880 --> 01:51:35,720
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Speaker 2: Dot Store already the house that merch built, that rj

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Speaker 2: Duncle Cracker put together, already fantastic bomber jackets flying off

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Speaker 1: Remember the band Cracker from the nineties.

2397
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:22,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're big white trash five. Right.

2398
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:25,720
Speaker 1: What was there song that was the big one? Like? Uh?

2399
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:26,120
Speaker 2: Low?

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01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:27,240
Speaker 1: Was it the name of the song?

2401
01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:33,200
Speaker 2: Like being lou Yeah, so you're is that them?

2402
01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:36,559
Speaker 1: I think that's right? Yeah? Uh what Luke Long Island

2403
01:52:36,640 --> 01:52:38,040
Speaker 1: Lucas saying yes in the chat.

2404
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:40,280
Speaker 2: That's dude, Dude, I'll tell you this about Long Island.

2405
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:43,360
Speaker 2: Luke sneak and that's why he's bringing that nineties bumper

2406
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:46,360
Speaker 2: back up more often. Sneaky nineties music fan. Luke. He

2407
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:48,439
Speaker 2: saw he saw Third Eyed Blonde on that twenty year

2408
01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:50,120
Speaker 2: anniversary tour and at Jones Beach.

2409
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:53,280
Speaker 1: Luke, that's sad as shit. That's sad as shit.

2410
01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:57,599
Speaker 2: Okay, uh, I mean he's a big motorcycle drive by fan.

2411
01:52:57,600 --> 01:52:58,360
Speaker 2: It's fantastic, Luke.

2412
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:01,280
Speaker 1: You know what he wrote best ever? That's sad bro.

2413
01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:02,759
Speaker 1: You know where I'm going.

2414
01:53:04,760 --> 01:53:07,320
Speaker 2: For the first time, Luke in nine years. Tonight, I'm

2415
01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:11,840
Speaker 2: gonna see my favorite band live My Morning Jacket, New Haven, Connecticut.

2416
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:15,439
Speaker 2: Let's do this, Luke, You're going tonight, Damn right? I am.

2417
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:16,559
Speaker 1: Who are you going with?

2418
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:19,559
Speaker 2: My best friend in the world, Jeff Bogus Bogo in

2419
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:22,400
Speaker 2: the house. Buy one get one. Indeed, we're gonna we're

2420
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:24,439
Speaker 2: gonna rock this town. Luke, it'll be my I counted.

2421
01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:27,240
Speaker 2: I think it's my eighth all time in his as well,

2422
01:53:27,320 --> 01:53:29,519
Speaker 2: so you know, or maybe it's ninth. Maybe it's my

2423
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:32,120
Speaker 2: ninth my Morning Jacket show. I'm trying not to be

2424
01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:33,799
Speaker 2: like the nerds who have like the you know, ranking,

2425
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:36,960
Speaker 2: although I may fit that description and profile from time

2426
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:41,120
Speaker 2: to time. But yeah, you clearly don't have the same

2427
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:45,439
Speaker 2: passion or enthusiasm that's coursing through my veins right now.

2428
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:49,000
Speaker 1: Luke, why would you say that just your.

2429
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:51,559
Speaker 2: General default demeanor. It's more like, you know.

2430
01:53:51,880 --> 01:53:54,240
Speaker 1: You're like my wife. My wife's like, oh, you don't

2431
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:55,800
Speaker 1: like music. I'm like, no, because we get in the

2432
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:57,479
Speaker 1: car and we only have to listen to her music

2433
01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:00,719
Speaker 1: and reggae. I just don't like your music.

2434
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you fuck Uncle Cracker or Uncle Bunny or whatever

2435
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:08,040
Speaker 2: those guys are called, Luke. Anyway, Cracker Cracker, I was

2436
01:54:08,040 --> 01:54:10,920
Speaker 2: thinking of a different bang Crackers decent, Luke, they're decent.

2437
01:54:11,080 --> 01:54:12,600
Speaker 2: I was thinking of a completely.

2438
01:54:12,240 --> 01:54:15,519
Speaker 1: Is it uncle Cracker like kid Rocks, like sort of

2439
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:17,439
Speaker 1: fat Bubba Sparks sidekick or whatever.

2440
01:54:17,479 --> 01:54:20,320
Speaker 2: And he did those like pop country covers, you know,

2441
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:24,559
Speaker 2: and he kind of remember remember Bubba Sparks, Yeah, that

2442
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:27,280
Speaker 2: guy was that guy was pretty lame, Luke. I mean

2443
01:54:27,320 --> 01:54:29,080
Speaker 2: not as Bubble. That was lame as Bubba the love

2444
01:54:29,120 --> 01:54:31,600
Speaker 2: spongeling hulkgan bang his wife and the video. Look, I

2445
01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:34,000
Speaker 2: mean that that's that's that's pretty trashy.

2446
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Florida. That's Florida for you.

2447
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Mikey, Mikey upset about upset about that, Luke.

2448
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:43,040
Speaker 2: I'll still stand by pods having three solid songs. I

2449
01:54:43,080 --> 01:54:44,560
Speaker 2: wish you would, wish you would, you know.

2450
01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:47,360
Speaker 1: They got one south Town. That's it, Luke.

2451
01:54:47,400 --> 01:54:50,440
Speaker 2: Do you does your armenium blood force you to be

2452
01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:52,560
Speaker 2: a system of the down die hard because I had

2453
01:54:52,760 --> 01:54:54,000
Speaker 2: I had a moment with them or two.

2454
01:54:54,360 --> 01:54:56,560
Speaker 1: You asked me this before. I like them just fine.

2455
01:54:56,600 --> 01:54:59,720
Speaker 1: I don't have like a you know, super affinity for them.

2456
01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:01,480
Speaker 1: But then I saw them in concert. I got free

2457
01:55:01,480 --> 01:55:04,240
Speaker 1: tickets to see them in Deftones and they were great.

2458
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:05,800
Speaker 1: They were great, They were really good.

2459
01:55:05,960 --> 01:55:09,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that's fantastic. I want to thank our

2460
01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:12,920
Speaker 2: great team, thank our new sponsor here, Luke, all right,

2461
01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:16,440
Speaker 2: thank them, that's right, first person, That's what I'm talking

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Speaker 2: We'll help you out too as well. AG one in

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01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:31,200
Speaker 2: the house. Luke Thomas, my co host there, Luke you

2467
01:55:32,440 --> 01:55:35,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be after the Triple G Canelo fight hitting

2468
01:55:35,640 --> 01:55:38,040
Speaker 2: the fans with an MK instant reaction, I believe. Is

2469
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:39,560
Speaker 2: it like your anniversary or something?

2470
01:55:39,960 --> 01:55:43,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my tenure wedding anniversary goodly this weekend, so

2471
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:44,760
Speaker 1: I'm celebrating with my wife.

2472
01:55:45,240 --> 01:55:48,640
Speaker 2: Congratulations to you both. That did I'm serious. You get

2473
01:55:48,680 --> 01:55:52,040
Speaker 2: to those mile mile markers you you know you've earned it, Luke,

2474
01:55:52,320 --> 01:55:52,840
Speaker 2: You've earned it.

2475
01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:55,680
Speaker 1: I sent a picture of me and my sister and

2476
01:55:55,720 --> 01:55:58,240
Speaker 1: my brother to my sister and my brother yesterday from

2477
01:55:58,240 --> 01:56:01,000
Speaker 1: the day of our wedding because they didn't remember it

2478
01:56:01,040 --> 01:56:03,120
Speaker 1: was my tenure wedding anniversary, nor would I expect them to.

2479
01:56:03,240 --> 01:56:05,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, that's fine. I didn't expect them to,

2480
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:08,480
Speaker 1: So I sent them the picture of us three on

2481
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:10,600
Speaker 1: our wedding day and I wrote ten years ago today,

2482
01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 1: and both of my siblings commented on their own appearance

2483
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:16,600
Speaker 1: and not the picture I.

2484
01:56:16,520 --> 01:56:18,320
Speaker 2: Thought you were going to say they didn't comment at all,

2485
01:56:18,360 --> 01:56:20,360
Speaker 2: and then I was, you know, back to the future.

2486
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:22,880
Speaker 1: They commented it, they commented about how great they looked,

2487
01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:24,080
Speaker 1: and then nothing about the thing.

2488
01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:25,720
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, and then they're like, remember we

2489
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:27,600
Speaker 2: had that awesome restaurant, Luke. I wish I had a

2490
01:56:27,640 --> 01:56:28,440
Speaker 2: chance to eat there.

2491
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:32,120
Speaker 1: You know, closed in March of twenty twenty, right before

2492
01:56:32,160 --> 01:56:33,560
Speaker 1: the pandemic really took off. Yeah.

2493
01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:36,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, typically I'd rather starve than eat

2494
01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:39,080
Speaker 2: your bread, Luke, but I would. I would eat your

2495
01:56:39,120 --> 01:56:42,800
Speaker 2: families at least, you know. Yeah, they me and Long

2496
01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:45,400
Speaker 2: Island Luke, just talking to each other through through the

2497
01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:46,280
Speaker 2: memories of the nineties.

2498
01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:47,880
Speaker 1: Should I go so you two can have a show

2499
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:49,480
Speaker 1: here on the Chat of Zoom.

2500
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:52,640
Speaker 2: Hey two week, let's beg Luke Thomas. Thank you to

2501
01:56:52,720 --> 01:56:56,760
Speaker 2: our crew, Mikey Morm's staff, Long Island Luke. This is

2502
01:56:56,760 --> 01:56:59,320
Speaker 2: Morning Combat. It's the best show. It's the only show.

2503
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:00,320
Speaker 2: Yeout