Speaker 1: Yo, what's up? Shiman d J d W rec And
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing today, eating while broke, chilling
Speaker 1: here with my girl Colleen with and we're going to
Speaker 1: be whipping up a little broke meal. Little meal I
Speaker 1: used to make you know when I was when uh
Speaker 1: money was a little bit short. Nice? So what are
Speaker 1: you gonna have me eat today? Because well you could
Speaker 1: just I guess walk through the ingredients, all right, So
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do? What we have here? This is
Speaker 1: just regular bologning, like you know, bologna and cheese, and
Speaker 1: which is type of bologna, kindergarden food. This yere is
Speaker 1: beef top ramen and then butter it and said, what
Speaker 1: we're gonna make is beef top ramen with fried bologny.
Speaker 1: Got it? So this is an extremely affordable this affordable this,
Speaker 1: I mean this is this might be thirty cents right here.
Speaker 1: This is thirty cents. What all the big money was
Speaker 1: spent here? The butter. It's like all these dishes, like
Speaker 1: the nutritional value is like so low. Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with that. It's all about
Speaker 1: feeling the tummy, filling the tummy. Well, why don't you
Speaker 1: fill our tummy and start cooking for us because I'm hungry. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what we do since since the top ramen
Speaker 1: is already unpackaged, we're just gonna put it in the
Speaker 1: in the boiling water. Most of the time, I kind
Speaker 1: of break it up a little bit for you know,
Speaker 1: you break it at hungry just because you know, other
Speaker 1: than that, you're if you don't break it, then you're
Speaker 1: having spaghetti. So I put im make it in a
Speaker 1: little I'll break it in a little four little okay,
Speaker 1: little top ramen pods. So there's a method to the matter.
Speaker 1: There's a method to it. So what I just did
Speaker 1: was I put the top ramen in the boiling water,
Speaker 1: let it boil, and I use just to kind of
Speaker 1: it's gonna get soft, and so if you don't want to,
Speaker 1: you don't want it to get too soft. Okay. So
Speaker 1: when was the time you ate this dish? Probably like
Speaker 1: nine seven, So since ninety seven you have not resorted
Speaker 1: back to this. I haven't. I haven't added fried bologny,
Speaker 1: but just sometimes like on a late night, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to eat a huge like I'm hungry,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to eat anything like heavy. I'll
Speaker 1: make like, you know, a little top run or something.
Speaker 1: So what we'll do now is we're gonna add We're
Speaker 1: gonna fry the blood. Okay. So what we want to
Speaker 1: do is it's just on right here, that is on. Okay,
Speaker 1: where are we? Don't burn yourself? No, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the insurance policy, what you guys kind of insurance?
Speaker 1: You know, we're on eating more broke, So I don't
Speaker 1: have too much faith in it. So right now I'm
Speaker 1: putting a little butter on the in this skillet, just
Speaker 1: to you know. And now is that for it's to
Speaker 1: not stick or for it to actually just to you
Speaker 1: know kind of this is it adds labor and look
Speaker 1: calcium calcium, got it? This is calcium on the package. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go for it. Okay, so you get yourself a couple
Speaker 1: of these here boom, let that fry up? All right?
Speaker 1: So what what this is gonna do? And this is
Speaker 1: what everybody did that fries bacon knows this It should uh,
Speaker 1: it should create able Okay. So we're looking for the bubble,
Speaker 1: waiting for the bubble. So take us back to seven.
Speaker 1: What was going on in I was a cashier at
Speaker 1: Costco wholesale, and I was living in l A. I
Speaker 1: was a cashier at Costco hostel and I was just
Speaker 1: out in l A doing what I call the Hollywood shuffle. Um,
Speaker 1: I got that from a Robert Townsend movie, but I
Speaker 1: was really doing that. I'm still Hollywood shuffling, but just
Speaker 1: on a different level now. Um and uh, auditioning for
Speaker 1: different TV shows and and and you know, dance gigs
Speaker 1: or whatever. So you are a dancer, Yes, I should
Speaker 1: do I should dance for different artists and music videos
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, I mean you
Speaker 1: see the bubble, yeah, Bubble'll see the bubble. I see it.
Speaker 1: So are you supposed to pop it? Oh? Yeah, part
Speaker 1: of it being fun. So you wanted to kind of
Speaker 1: be a little crispy not to Christmas. So that's the
Speaker 1: whole point of frying is for the texture. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: for the texture and to add protein to to your meal. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Now do we know what
Speaker 1: really is in boloney? Is it like one of those
Speaker 1: hot dog things? Are probably? I mean it doesn't look
Speaker 1: like you should just shave this off the side of
Speaker 1: a cow. So so when did you realize you wanted
Speaker 1: to get into entertainment. When I was a little kid.
Speaker 1: I used to watch like, you know, Good Times and
Speaker 1: the Jeffersons and Different Strokes and things like that, and
Speaker 1: I would see these actors that I was I would
Speaker 1: always emulate anyway, you know it was you know he
Speaker 1: acts like I mean, I would, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: you know, emulate the young black actors that were out.
Speaker 1: You know, like I was always mimicking j J or
Speaker 1: something and uh, you know doing it what you're talking about. Well,
Speaker 1: it's all that kind of stuff like that. And then
Speaker 1: the TV show Fame came out, and I was like
Speaker 1: I could dance too, and then be born and breaking
Speaker 1: came you know, all that stuff. So I was like
Speaker 1: I used to enter like little hip hop dance contests
Speaker 1: and things like that, and uh and I would win
Speaker 1: like first, second or third place, and I was winning money.
Speaker 1: So my mom wouldn't have to uh give me much
Speaker 1: allowance because I was always winning, like, you know, a
Speaker 1: few dollars at Chuck E Cheese every weekend. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: then so she did she standed up supporting that because
Speaker 1: you're always winning her Well, it was it wasn't that
Speaker 1: I was. It wasn't She didn't support me because I
Speaker 1: was winning. She just didn't discourage me. You know, like
Speaker 1: when I said, Okay, Mom, I'm gonna go to this
Speaker 1: little kid's club and we're gonna you know, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be like a breaking battle or whatever, popping battle and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You see. Right now, I'm chopping up
Speaker 1: the belogni because you gotta put little pieces of bologni
Speaker 1: in the ramen. Year when we turned it down a
Speaker 1: little bit, it's it's actually smells pretty good. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: not bad. It's not bad, okay. So right now I'm
Speaker 1: gonna turn off the rat it, okay, because we don't
Speaker 1: want to get too soft. Yeah. I like my ramen
Speaker 1: where it's like I don't know what that means, sounds
Speaker 1: like it's like a little harder, like you know, I
Speaker 1: don't like my ram and too soft. Right, So right
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna pour off some of this water right
Speaker 1: because I don't like it. I don't like it too soupy.
Speaker 1: Yeah me either. Don't be like me. Don't try to
Speaker 1: promise you. I always drain it. I don't like it
Speaker 1: too soft, and I don't like it too soupy, So
Speaker 1: I pour it off enough to wear the water in
Speaker 1: the rama are about the same level. Okay, got it,
Speaker 1: all right, So we do that. So it's a little
Speaker 1: bit soupy, but in fact, let me turn off a
Speaker 1: little bit, pour off a little bit more, all right,
Speaker 1: that actually smells pretty good. I'm not saying I would
Speaker 1: like go and eat, you know, pack of baloney. But
Speaker 1: you're gonna be making this at the crib by yourself.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's see how bad or how well
Speaker 1: eating will broke does. So just purring that. So let
Speaker 1: me tell you what we're doing now. So right now,
Speaker 1: we're gonna season to see, didn't need package right now,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna season at the time where we're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna dump it into the into the noodles, into
Speaker 1: the pot with the noodles, and you just empty all
Speaker 1: the contents of that. So you just want to you
Speaker 1: just want to, you know, stir that up in there now.
Speaker 1: You want to get that a little bit not too crispy,
Speaker 1: but a little bit crispy. And um. While and that
Speaker 1: went away. So I was back to Hollywood shuffling with
Speaker 1: without a job. And when you say Hollywood shuffling, that's
Speaker 1: like auditions or you just are you trying to find
Speaker 1: places to DJ auditions, uh, DJ, and you know DJ
Speaker 1: gigs and stuff like that, you know, but uh, I
Speaker 1: really wanted to do. You know. DJ has been good
Speaker 1: to me, you know since I started DJ, and uh
Speaker 1: and being on television is great because it actually gets
Speaker 1: me more DJ gigs. But uh, you know, I like
Speaker 1: I like acting and that's really hard to get in too,
Speaker 1: you know, so every nothing. Then you know, you book
Speaker 1: a few commercials, you book two or three commercials a year,
Speaker 1: and you're doing all right, but uh, you know when
Speaker 1: it's when it's dry, it's dry, you know, So right now,
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do? He kind of looks like a
Speaker 1: little bacon bits. Yeah, see little bacon bits here cutting
Speaker 1: this up. You put that in there like that, you
Speaker 1: cut it up. What you do, You gotta mix it
Speaker 1: all up, mix it up a little bit. This is
Speaker 1: what it looks like overhead cam. Alright. Nice. When you're
Speaker 1: doing the Hollywood shuffle and things dry up, is there
Speaker 1: like a special thing you do in your mind to
Speaker 1: handle the cash flow going up and down. You just
Speaker 1: want to keep your your sanity and know that you're
Speaker 1: still in the right place, You're still with your thank you.
Speaker 1: You're welcome, you know what I mean. Like, so there
Speaker 1: are times that I would feel like, man, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: show business is not for me. And there were times
Speaker 1: you oh, yeah, there were times when I felt that way,
Speaker 1: you know. And then you know, I get a call
Speaker 1: from my agent for an audition and it will conflict
Speaker 1: with something that I have to do, like you know,
Speaker 1: maybe I booked or maybe i'm you know, doing a
Speaker 1: day job or something like that, and then they're like
Speaker 1: they're they're like, well, if you go to this audition,
Speaker 1: you're not you know, you might as well just quit.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, my passion is show business, so
Speaker 1: I would just go to the audition and then you know,
Speaker 1: look the commercial and then it kind of reassures you
Speaker 1: and let you know, remind you that you are where
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be. Now, did you have any naysayers
Speaker 1: around you that would make you doubt yourself or was
Speaker 1: it just all like in your head where the doubt
Speaker 1: would come and go? Um. I never really had any naysayers. Um.
Speaker 1: But you know, any time if you ever have to
Speaker 1: call a family member to tell you, you know, to
Speaker 1: borrow money. Family member was a state man, you need
Speaker 1: what you need to do. You need to move back home,
Speaker 1: and you need to get a job, a real job,
Speaker 1: you know. And those are the same family members, are
Speaker 1: the same good friends or whatever that when you know
Speaker 1: you're back doing what you do or what you set
Speaker 1: out to do, those are the same people to tell
Speaker 1: you that they knew you were going to make it.
Speaker 1: You know, I knew he's gonna make it. Man, how
Speaker 1: do you feel about men? It was something special about
Speaker 1: you when I first met you. How do you feel
Speaker 1: about that when you it's the nature of the business. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: all right, let's try to try your cooking. And I
Speaker 1: like that it's not too soupy. It's not too soupy.
Speaker 1: So you look a little soft everybody. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to judge him, but because she was talking to me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, I normally don't, you know,
Speaker 1: cook it as long as I did. So Colleen's fault.
Speaker 1: It was good m hm, soft noodles on. You're welcome you.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm sorry for a gapping. When do you
Speaker 1: feel like you were officially confident that the entertainment business
Speaker 1: was where you were going to be? Like, was there
Speaker 1: a level of like checks had to ride before you
Speaker 1: were like, Okay, this is it, I'm never turning back
Speaker 1: to Costco. Or well, I got fired from Costco so
Speaker 1: I couldn't go back to Costco. Why did you get
Speaker 1: fired because I went to an audition When I had it,
Speaker 1: I had a jerk for for for a supervisor. Do
Speaker 1: you shop at Costco? Finding? Okay? Do you ever like
Speaker 1: when you see someone that did that type of thing
Speaker 1: to you? Do you ever like wish you could bump
Speaker 1: into them? I waved to him, why does he still
Speaker 1: work there? Still Costco? He's one of those dudes. I
Speaker 1: knew you were gonna make it. He probably takes side
Speaker 1: tries to take credit. Do you know I'm gonna fire man?
Speaker 1: Just to encourage me? Kenny? Can I cuts on here?
Speaker 1: It's funny. I had Celebrity High, as you know. And
Speaker 1: when I was creating the company, I worked at country Wide.
Speaker 1: This was right before the crash, and yes, country Wide
Speaker 1: played rolling. They had yeah, probably they had everyone, And
Speaker 1: uh I remember I was doing Celebrity High and I
Speaker 1: would have like the little posters of like what this
Speaker 1: magazine was going to be, and a lot of my
Speaker 1: coworkers would come by my desk the girls and they
Speaker 1: would laugh at me because I drove a bucket that
Speaker 1: like I could start with anything. And uh. I remember
Speaker 1: country Wide fired me and I cried because I was broke.
Speaker 1: I was only making like ten dollars an hour, and
Speaker 1: of the ten dollars an hour, I was investing into
Speaker 1: this idea. And I remember calling my grandfather and he
Speaker 1: was just like, I'm so happy they fired you. And
Speaker 1: I was like, how am I gonna pay my My
Speaker 1: rom was like four a month. Do you remember when
Speaker 1: was that cheap? And uh? But yeah, I looked back
Speaker 1: and ironically enough, I am thankful that they fired me,
Speaker 1: because sometimes that's that last inch you need to like
Speaker 1: push your drive even further. Right, Yeah, absolutely, because I
Speaker 1: mean one thing that I did have, I had health
Speaker 1: insurance through Costco. I had if I needed to get
Speaker 1: more hours at work, I could just you know, go
Speaker 1: to switch the full time for like six months. And
Speaker 1: it's really hard to get fired from Costco. Um so,
Speaker 1: but getting fired from Costco definitely lit a fire under
Speaker 1: my behind and I had to I mean from there,
Speaker 1: I was a waiter at the soul food restaurant, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then right when I booked book that keeps saying. Right,
Speaker 1: when I started waiting at this restaurant, I got this
Speaker 1: gig um that took me to Korea for like six
Speaker 1: months that paid me like and asked, well, at that time,
Speaker 1: what felt like an astronomical amount of money? And so
Speaker 1: I went over there and K pop groups and stuff.
Speaker 1: Was at your first time flying out of the country. Absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you were excited. I was, but I also
Speaker 1: knew what you know, the money is what motivated because
Speaker 1: if I could have stayed here made that money, I
Speaker 1: would have, but there were no other offers at that point. Now,
Speaker 1: was there ever anything that you did where say you like,
Speaker 1: for instance, do you take wilding Out? And I know
Speaker 1: wilding Out doesn't have a huge like every month schedule
Speaker 1: is probably a couple of weeks. But have you ever
Speaker 1: gotten an opportunity while you secured another opportunity? What was
Speaker 1: the opportunity that you felt like you wish you you
Speaker 1: didn't have to say no to? Um? Well, one thing
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna do is say no to whiling out. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: but one of the things I mean. I So, what
Speaker 1: happened when I there was one gig that I booked,
Speaker 1: I booked a tour dancing for a popular artist and
Speaker 1: m But the week before I went to the audition
Speaker 1: for the dance audition, I auditioned for this big McDonald's commercial.
Speaker 1: Every day we're seeing everybody. So I went to the audition,
Speaker 1: and then that following week audition for the dance. I
Speaker 1: went to the commercial audition, and then that following week
Speaker 1: audition for the artist and um to be a dancer,
Speaker 1: and then during that week I got a call back
Speaker 1: for the McDonald's commercial. Right, so I went to the callback,
Speaker 1: and I'm starting rehearsals for the the the dance, the
Speaker 1: dance gig. So then you know, that's in the beginning
Speaker 1: of the week. And then at the end of the week,
Speaker 1: I get back from rehearsal for the dance gig and
Speaker 1: I'm at home chilling. Is a Friday, and I didn't
Speaker 1: get a call. I hadn't gotten a call from my
Speaker 1: agent to let me know whether or not I booked
Speaker 1: this gig, the commercial gig, and I'm laying in my
Speaker 1: bed and I'm like, I'm looking at my watching this
Speaker 1: like five something. I know the agency closest at six,
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, I'm not gonna get this get
Speaker 1: this gig five forty five fifty my phone rings and
Speaker 1: my agent caused me. She says, uh, um, you just
Speaker 1: put yourself un you know this commercial. I was like, what,
Speaker 1: I'm like, She says, you shoot next third, next Friday,
Speaker 1: so a week from that day. That day, I was
Speaker 1: so that following week I was supposed to leave to
Speaker 1: go to Orlando to do the first show for this
Speaker 1: tour on Thursday. So which and that first show is
Speaker 1: going to be on Friday when you're typing the commercial.
Speaker 1: So I asked the choreographer and you know, talk to
Speaker 1: the artists and stuff, and said, hey, I booked this commercial.
Speaker 1: I really want to do this gig. I really want
Speaker 1: to do the dance gig, but I really need to
Speaker 1: do this commercial. And I said, so they had like dancers,
Speaker 1: so they could have just you know, allowed me to do,
Speaker 1: you know, miss that first show. I said, hey, can
Speaker 1: I miss the first show? And they were like, well
Speaker 1: if you can't miss. If you can't do the first show,
Speaker 1: then you can't do the gig. You said, peace, and
Speaker 1: he said to McDonald's, McDonald's paid more. Yeah, even though
Speaker 1: I would I would have loved that had that experience
Speaker 1: dancing for that artist. But once I did, that was
Speaker 1: my first major commercial that I was the star of.
Speaker 1: It was me and a whole bunch of little kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was literally me and a bunch of kids and
Speaker 1: a a a McDonald's rapper that was like flying through
Speaker 1: there and so but that just made me say, I am.
Speaker 1: I am where I'm supposed to be. So what would
Speaker 1: you say, like two people that are trying to get
Speaker 1: in the game, you know, like, what would you say
Speaker 1: to those that may have been trying for the last
Speaker 1: five us ten years and still haven't been able to
Speaker 1: make a decent check, but they're still going out? I
Speaker 1: would say, you mean you still auditioning and things like that,
Speaker 1: and they're starting to doubt themselves maybe they're in their
Speaker 1: mid thirties, or I mean, keep a day job, like
Speaker 1: you know, take care of yourself and your responsibilities. But
Speaker 1: I mean, show business is not for everybody. But I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not the one to tell anybody to give up,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll just if you feel that passion, just
Speaker 1: keep pressing. Have you ever met, like say, a guy
Speaker 1: that wants to be a rapper, a girl that wants
Speaker 1: to be a rapper, and you're like you heard their
Speaker 1: music and it's just not where it's where you think
Speaker 1: it should be at. Do you do you ever tell
Speaker 1: them to maybe look into alternatives or do you just no?
Speaker 1: I never discourage people because I mean those people all
Speaker 1: the time, because they're they're a way. There are much
Speaker 1: more people that are not good at you know, they're
Speaker 1: not good artists or they're just they're just not there yet.
Speaker 1: But you know, I wasn't always there, So you just
Speaker 1: keep going. You get better, but you still have to, like,
Speaker 1: don't go rob banks and support that habit. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: gotta keep a job. If you've got kids and responsibilities,
Speaker 1: you gotta do what you gotta do to survive, you know,
Speaker 1: including eating alone round exactly. And I'm enjoying mine. She
Speaker 1: didn't look like I have to ask questions and have
Speaker 1: a whole interview. But the second the cameras cut, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be taking a couple of extra fights. What season
Speaker 1: are you on a walling out? Now? We just wrap
Speaker 1: season sixteen? Sixteen seasons? What would you say is the
Speaker 1: one thing you walked away learning the most of benefiting
Speaker 1: the most from walling out? I would say that even
Speaker 1: though as steady as that gig is it can still
Speaker 1: go away like that. Speaking of that, when the whole
Speaker 1: controversy with the Jewish and wilding out and some of
Speaker 1: the comments Nick made, did a part of you panic
Speaker 1: a little bit that there was a chance that the
Speaker 1: show wasn'tna come back, or have you been there before
Speaker 1: so you were prepared? I was not prepared. UM kind
Speaker 1: of panned a little bit because I mean, at this point,
Speaker 1: I have a family, and you know, this is my
Speaker 1: main source of income. I mean, I've been on the
Speaker 1: show of since day one, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And so, uh, I literally if all I did was
Speaker 1: wilding out, that's all I have to do. Yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So so I panicked a little bit. But then, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know Nick and I kind of understood everything that
Speaker 1: was kind of was happening, and I was in touch
Speaker 1: with Um, with other producers on the show, the executive
Speaker 1: producers was in touch with Nick and everybody. So we
Speaker 1: were having conversations, and I felt confident that we were
Speaker 1: going to come back, you know. And then one of
Speaker 1: the the most um negative people on this show and
Speaker 1: one of the most negative producers on the show, he
Speaker 1: called me and he said, we'll be back we just
Speaker 1: gotta work some things out. Once he felt confident that
Speaker 1: we'd be back, then, um, I felt really confident. But
Speaker 1: I just you know, it doesn't matter how much money
Speaker 1: you have when money is just going out. I mean,
Speaker 1: because it wasn't just the pandemic, it was when the
Speaker 1: show went away, and then you couldn't get other gigs
Speaker 1: because you know, there weren't many other gigs you could
Speaker 1: get that we're paying the kind of money that you
Speaker 1: needed to sustain the lifestyle that you already have. So
Speaker 1: when that happened, I was like, Okay, I'm confident that
Speaker 1: we're gonna come back. When when are we gonna come
Speaker 1: back now? Because pretty soon, when money is just going
Speaker 1: out and doesn't matter how much you have, you know
Speaker 1: you gotta take care of that overhead. No, I'm just
Speaker 1: curious just to get into the Devil's advocates say it
Speaker 1: didn't come back, and you know you have your family,
Speaker 1: would you ever like if pandemic because during the pandemic
Speaker 1: there was no tape and there was absolutely nothing going on.
Speaker 1: Would you ever, you know, do whatever job. I love
Speaker 1: that you are really enjoying this dish. I'm gonna save
Speaker 1: mine just so we could just but um, would you ever?
Speaker 1: Are you? Do you feel like you're above going back
Speaker 1: and getting a real job just to support your family. No,
Speaker 1: I do not feel like I want above. That's and
Speaker 1: I would have done that if if I need to,
Speaker 1: And I still do that if I have to. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's amazing. That's amazing to hear that. Now. When I
Speaker 1: saw the whole controversy with the While and Out, so
Speaker 1: I honestly didn't feel like anything Nick said was controversial.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say controversial. It was a total
Speaker 1: negative slant. I thought maybe his quotes were missed, he
Speaker 1: didn't quote them. Well, but I understand what cancel culture.
Speaker 1: It's like you're you're really skating on the nice while Now.
Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting because there's a level of comedian
Speaker 1: breach where nothing is off the table, but yet cancel culture. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but cancel culture hasn't even come for some of the
Speaker 1: stuff that While and Out has, you know, some of
Speaker 1: the jokes that have aired on this show. But do
Speaker 1: you feel like now that cancel culture is becoming more
Speaker 1: of a mainstream being comics are starting or when you
Speaker 1: guys in your writing room, they're starting to be like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe we should inch away from this. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know all that Nick said. I never
Speaker 1: saw all of that whole podcast Um episode. But I
Speaker 1: think that what it has done is it it has
Speaker 1: made people that like comedians just more aware because comedians,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they don't care what
Speaker 1: anybody like. That's their freedom to They're not the PC police.
Speaker 1: But and you know, and comedians that they want to
Speaker 1: they want to say what they want to say. I mean,
Speaker 1: they community are some demented people, a lot of them,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, to find humor in some of
Speaker 1: the most tragic things, or just to to find humor
Speaker 1: just everyday life that we all live. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: they tell their experience and and you know we all
Speaker 1: laugh from that because we can relate to it's all relatable.
Speaker 1: You know, that should be something that they're allowed to do,
Speaker 1: but it's aware. It definitely has made us aware. And
Speaker 1: I think that what makes I my little brother is
Speaker 1: a comedian, my husband's a comedian. When I look at them,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what makes you guys great is actually keeping
Speaker 1: it real. To put a censor on on comedy is
Speaker 1: a weird space, right, I mean, to my understanding. Nick
Speaker 1: wasn't telling jokes at the time, you know, he was
Speaker 1: doing he was doing his podcast interview and people get offended.
Speaker 1: You can't help how people feel, you know, and people
Speaker 1: are gonna feel the way they're gonna feel. And not
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna be happy with you, you know. But I'm
Speaker 1: going to post the most positive posts on Instagram or
Speaker 1: social media and somebody's gonna have something negative. You'd have
Speaker 1: a thousand positive comments and the one that's gonna stick
Speaker 1: out is the negative one. Yeah. Yeah, when you and
Speaker 1: Nick got together, this was long before whiling out or
Speaker 1: did you have to audition onto walling out and you
Speaker 1: guys just built your relationship from there. No, I met Nick.
Speaker 1: I met Nick in ninety seven. We didn't start wilding
Speaker 1: Out until two thousand four. So and actually wilding Out
Speaker 1: was created in my living room. Yeah, because at the
Speaker 1: time Nick was renting, uh he was, he was my roommate.
Speaker 1: So in North Hollywood, in Studio City. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: not the walk up where you cannot that. So you
Speaker 1: guys were roommates, and then he conceived this idea in
Speaker 1: the living room. Yeah, we were just at the crib,
Speaker 1: you know, just acting silly doing you know, I can't
Speaker 1: remember everything we were. We're just doing stupid stuff. And
Speaker 1: then you know, Nick comes up with this idea and
Speaker 1: says it can be a TV show. And we were
Speaker 1: at that time, we were doing the whole you know,
Speaker 1: we were on tour. We had been on tour, were
Speaker 1: doing like the Scream Tour and the and he had
Speaker 1: like a little not a little, a little rap career,
Speaker 1: but he had I think it was like jo or something.
Speaker 1: He had something out and we were doing a lot
Speaker 1: of shows. So you guys weren't necessarily broke then, but
Speaker 1: you guys were like, yeah, but we were still living
Speaker 1: paycheck to paycheck, you know, I mean record deals. It
Speaker 1: looks all glamorous, you know, and sometimes once you sell
Speaker 1: records you can make some money. But you know, we
Speaker 1: were doing shows, we were traveling, we were you know,
Speaker 1: but we were still the roommates in an apartment. I
Speaker 1: love that so um And that's crazy. You look at
Speaker 1: Wall and Out now and it has this huge budget
Speaker 1: and it's a little different now, yeah, from when you
Speaker 1: guys first started. Now, I remember hearing like when you
Speaker 1: guys first when it first started, it was like in
Speaker 1: a club and it was like, did you guys self
Speaker 1: shoot it or we did? The first pilot was at
Speaker 1: a club called the Comedy Union down on Off Brea
Speaker 1: in l A. And that's the one that MTV saw
Speaker 1: and they liked it, and then we did um, MTV
Speaker 1: paid for us to do a yeah, and so that
Speaker 1: was that was kind of cool. We did that at
Speaker 1: a club. We did that at a Princess old club,
Speaker 1: I think, I think that's what we did. And then um,
Speaker 1: a couple of months after that, MTV I wanted to
Speaker 1: buy like six or ten episodes or something like that,
Speaker 1: so we went to series there and you know, besides
Speaker 1: that low that we had between two thousand and seven
Speaker 1: and two thousand and twelve or thirteen or something like that,
Speaker 1: you know, the show has never been off the air, like,
Speaker 1: you know, besides but this recent thing. But it was
Speaker 1: always on the air. They were always playing reruns. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I never thought that I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to make a living in this business. Never. Never. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's amazing. I think when I interview a lot of people,
Speaker 1: especially at this table, they're all as well, celebrities, influencers, entrepreneurs,
Speaker 1: and they all had that level of confidence, like we
Speaker 1: knew at some point, even though we were homeless, we
Speaker 1: were going to make it. Yeah, because you know, when
Speaker 1: you're trash, do you think? So you have to Hopefully
Speaker 1: you're self aware enough to just know, because I've seen
Speaker 1: a lot of talent going American Idol, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, man, but they probably know because
Speaker 1: I sometimes when I sing to myself in the shower,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I sound great, like move over, Mariah, and
Speaker 1: then like if I were to record it, I play
Speaker 1: it back, I'm like, oh, that's reality right there. You know.
Speaker 1: I just have to ask when you look at where
Speaker 1: you guys started UM to where you're at now, do
Speaker 1: you ever just sit back and go like that's crazy?
Speaker 1: Absolutely do you don you and Nick ever step off
Speaker 1: the stage and say can you believe this? Especially like yeah,
Speaker 1: we we have UM, especially like when we're doing the
Speaker 1: tour wild Out Tour, Like I can't remember what city
Speaker 1: we were in, but you know it was a basketball
Speaker 1: arena in a major city and it was sold out,
Speaker 1: so it was like, you know, not just the floor,
Speaker 1: but it was like probably eighteen thousand people there and
Speaker 1: you just hear like the opening DJ playing music and stuff,
Speaker 1: and you you walk into the backstage area and you
Speaker 1: can see the audience and it's just thousands and thousands
Speaker 1: and thousands of people. And I remember saying to him,
Speaker 1: can you believe this started in the living room? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And that's when you know Nick.
Speaker 1: You know, Nick is too cool for school sometimes and
Speaker 1: Nick's like it's crazy, huh. And then we're just you know,
Speaker 1: and then I go out on stage and I introduced Nick,
Speaker 1: and then we do our show. You know him? But
Speaker 1: does happen a couple of times you kind of have
Speaker 1: to you have to step outside of yourself sometimes, I think,
Speaker 1: and to appreciate what you what you've accomplished, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, What you've been blessed to accomplish. And um,
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of that's smelling the roses, you know.
Speaker 1: And then I just have one last question and then
Speaker 1: we'll wrap. Um. And this is kind of go back
Speaker 1: going back to when you guys, oh when the pilot,
Speaker 1: when you're pitching MTV, where you guys cold calling or
Speaker 1: are you calling every relationship in your roller decks saying here,
Speaker 1: I got this great idea. Here's the tape for it
Speaker 1: or was it all a word document in a deck? No.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Nick is the one that had
Speaker 1: all of those you know, relationships, um, and he had
Speaker 1: all those avenues to get you know, because that wasn't
Speaker 1: Nick's first pilot. He had done probably called Loose Cannon
Speaker 1: that we did, um, we did another show called The
Speaker 1: Nick Cannon Show. We did two shows called the Nick
Speaker 1: Cannon So one didn't go who one ended up on Nickelodeon. UM.
Speaker 1: So you know, and you know Nick at the time,
Speaker 1: especially Nick was like Hollywood's little guy that they were
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, hollywood young new little guy that
Speaker 1: they were trying to figure out, what can we do
Speaker 1: with this guy? Because he's talented and he's got some
Speaker 1: great ideas, and he was like clean cut. He was
Speaker 1: like that clean he was like the new version of
Speaker 1: the Freshman. Yeah. Yeah, I would definitely say that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you know, so he was able to use that
Speaker 1: to pitch the show, and the people wanted to be
Speaker 1: in business with him, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: mean he's a likable Yeah, he's very nice, very nice,
Speaker 1: very likable, very hard working. Now he's got you know,
Speaker 1: neck tattoos. It's yeah, that can be a whole another discussion.
Speaker 1: But I'm so happy that you came out and fed
Speaker 1: me uh some bologny fried bologny ramen. It's be flavored,
Speaker 1: and now I officially know how to fry rom well.
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