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Speaker 1: Bengals in January. Welcome to another edition of the Around

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Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. I am still not Dan Hansis. I'm

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Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf and I am joined by a room filled

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Speaker 1: with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Rosenthal. What

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Speaker 1: is up, bros? Bros? How's everybody doing? Just a bunch

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Speaker 1: of bros watching football? Great weekend. I feel like my

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Speaker 1: Based on between Making a Murderer and all of the

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Speaker 1: games this weekend, I really have not walked around at all.

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Speaker 1: It has been a very unhealthy weekend. Spoiler out there,

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Speaker 1: before you just start talking making a murder, I know,

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Speaker 1: I know, I won't. I won't because it's really good. Spoiler.

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Speaker 1: They made the murder. They did, all right, So we

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Speaker 1: have a great show for you guys today. Dan Hansis

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Speaker 1: is still uh look look there's the awkward EYESO caam too? Back,

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Speaker 1: can't escape? That is great? Happy that's back. We are

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Speaker 1: missing Dan Hansas. He is still on his island vacation

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Speaker 1: get away and um we can't wait for him to

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Speaker 1: So while we wait for him, let's check in first

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Speaker 1: behind the glass here with Brandon. Brandon, how are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well? How about yourself? Good? Yeah, it's great

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Speaker 1: to have you with us. Yeah, I feel like we've

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Speaker 1: reached a new level. We've been um slacking, we've been texting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: really communication Brandon. Who's easier to work with? Colleen or Dan?

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Speaker 1: Here's a real question. Is Dan gonna listen back to

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Speaker 1: if Dan listens then I'll kind of going to tell

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Speaker 1: on you for that, right, So it doesn't matter. It's true.

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Speaker 1: We have had a lot a lot of great games

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Speaker 1: this weekend, so many games to Yes, what do we

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Speaker 1: which we'll go through to how would you rate this

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Speaker 1: on a scale one at I feel like the Bengal

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Speaker 1: the wild card games, and of course the Packers offense

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Speaker 1: the Bengals they lose another game. So let's get right

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Speaker 1: The Packers came into Washington with many questions about their offense,

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Speaker 1: they finally came together greg they looked confident. They scored

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Speaker 1: a half quarters until that botch snap. Russell Wilson for

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Speaker 1: the second playoffs in a row turns a negative play.

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Speaker 1: He Bill Belichick wants explained it that he's got this

432
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Speaker 1: Roger stallback uncanny, uncoachable ability to make the right decisions

433
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Speaker 1: when a play breaks down, And Daryl Bevil told us

434
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Speaker 1: that the Super Bowl last year. What separates Russell Wilson

435
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Speaker 1: from all the other scrambling quarterbacks is the rate at

436
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Speaker 1: which he makes great decisions and to me. There's a

437
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Speaker 1: creativity about his game that that does come up. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I know, Greg, you've you said today the

439
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Speaker 1: Seahawks are really lucky team. They have a horse shoe

440
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Speaker 1: up there, you know what. But no, no other quarterback

441
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Speaker 1: in the NFL, no other quarterback in the NFL makes

442
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Speaker 1: a hook slide to get that ball, gets up and

443
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Speaker 1: then throws that pass. I know, I don't agree. Russell

444
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Speaker 1: Wilson looked like the Russell Wilson that played the Packers

445
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Speaker 1: last year. For most of this game, they really only

446
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Speaker 1: had one productive offensive drive and that was it, and

447
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 1: the rest they looked a little bit lost. I thought, right,

448
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Speaker 1: I give the weather a lot of that, though, I

449
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,479
Speaker 1: really do. I do too. Although a lot of it

450
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Speaker 1: was timing when he was late, when he had those

451
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: passes down the field that were sure, a lot of

452
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Speaker 1: them was he just threw the ball really late, and

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Speaker 1: it wasn't all just arm strength. There was one where

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Speaker 1: he he chucked at fifty yards in the second half

455
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Speaker 1: to lock. It looked like a perfect Russell Wilson type

456
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Speaker 1: of pass, but he just the timing wasn't there. Whatever

457
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Speaker 1: it was, it's hard to play when it's show. It

458
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Speaker 1: was negative degrees a half time. That is the third

459
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 1: coldest game in NFL history. But it wasn't a good

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson play. All I meant was they got the miskick.

461
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Speaker 1: I mean at that point that that has nothing to

462
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Speaker 1: do with it. They've had pixie dust trailing them for

463
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Speaker 1: a couple of years. It's okay to say that, but

464
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Speaker 1: you also have to say that no other quarterback makes

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Speaker 1: that play. Oh absolutely, And and their defense for the

466
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Speaker 1: most part, showed off their depth. I mean, they didn't

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Speaker 1: give up a touchdown. Bennett was the record. I mean

468
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Speaker 1: to me, he is the m v P of that

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Speaker 1: defense this year. But Earl Thomas made a big play

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Speaker 1: to end one drive. Cliff Avro, as you mentioned, made

471
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Speaker 1: a big play, Bobby Wagner at a sack, Jeremy Lane

472
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Speaker 1: broke up what looked like it could have been a

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Speaker 1: long pass. Bruce Ivan had a second. They're just so

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Speaker 1: deep that they just take turns and and the Vikings

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00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 1: only had I think a hundred and eighty yards of offense.

476
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 1: The Seahawks had about thirty or forty more. Neither one

477
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 1: was moving the ball up and down the field, but

478
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: they had a great game. They were just waiting for

479
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Speaker 1: their offense to finally wake up. And they did it

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter for the second time in a

481
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Speaker 1: row in an NFC game, and they were they were

482
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Speaker 1: down nine nothing going to the fourth quarter. And we

483
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Speaker 1: can't forget about the Vikings defense and the pressure that

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Speaker 1: they put on Russell Wilson because it was in his

485
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Speaker 1: face all day. Ever since Griffin, he's had a really

486
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Speaker 1: good years and he was so good today. He's been

487
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Speaker 1: a really good game. I think Minnesota really wanted to say,

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Speaker 1: you know, last time when they played Seattle and they

489
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Speaker 1: were destroyed. Half their defense and some of the most

490
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Speaker 1: valuable players were not on the field. And I give

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Speaker 1: them credit for Listen. Seattle. It had something to do

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Speaker 1: with the weather, but it had a lot to do

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Speaker 1: with Minnesota's defense as well. Today they had a good

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Speaker 1: game plan and they took advantage of the elements. And

495
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: that's fine. It helped them. It's slowed down the game.

496
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Speaker 1: They're an explosive offensive team. I mean they are the

497
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Speaker 1: number one scoring team. Down the game to an extreme degree.

498
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Speaker 1: I mean they weren't the same offense. They were sleepwalking.

499
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: It looked like Frankenstein. They were moving around that slow

500
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: But that said, the Vikings, I keep saying it. They're

501
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 1: the same team week after week, and that was basically

502
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Speaker 1: the team you saw today, and the Elements did help

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Speaker 1: them out for that style of play. But I think

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Speaker 1: that's why Mike Zimmer just looked heartbroken on the press

505
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Speaker 1: conference podium after the game, because this was his type

506
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Speaker 1: of game and they did play great on defense, and

507
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Speaker 1: he was about to stick it in everyone's face that

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Speaker 1: they could take out that team like the Seahawks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Kristen Michael too, he he ran well today, So that

510
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Speaker 1: was I mean, if Marshawn Lynch for some reason, if

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Speaker 1: he's not back next week, then you can at least

512
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Speaker 1: take salace in that. Yeah, itels like the Vikings outplayed

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks for three and a half quarters. At least.

514
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Speaker 1: I don't buy that, and they don't. The Vikings ended

515
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Speaker 1: up with a night three yards. That's the way they play.

516
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: They get out gain to buy fifty yards in a

517
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 1: game that it feels like they outplay the other team.

518
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: I didn't think that the Seahawks kept just having these

519
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: forty yard drives where they'd stall, and they had the

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Speaker 1: two fourth down drives where they decided to go for

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Speaker 1: it on fourth down instead of either kicking along field

522
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Speaker 1: goal or punting that they had a lot of drives

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Speaker 1: that ended up with a whole lot of nothing, even

524
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Speaker 1: when they had some promise going. I mean it, it

525
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 1: looked like two pretty even teams. But the Seahawks, I

526
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Speaker 1: don't think uh stole the game by any means. I

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Speaker 1: mean Walsh hit a forty seven yard or in a

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Speaker 1: forty three yard or when Seattle decided that Stephen Housh

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Speaker 1: Cook would not be ready to attempt a forty six

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00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: yard early in the game, I mean again, and it's

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Speaker 1: like savee. Rosen Fells, the former Vikings quarterback, tweeted that

532
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: I know everyone on Twitter is gonna want to like,

533
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: go burn Blair Walsh's house down, but I hate games

534
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: like this to come down. Well, it comes down to

535
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: the last player who makes that last mistake when the

536
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: game was mistake written on offense by both teams. And

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Speaker 1: he just said that Walsh is one of the most

538
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Speaker 1: well like guys in the locker room. Handsome too and

539
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: I and I grew up with Ernest Binder taking this

540
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: from people. When in these games, some of these players

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Speaker 1: that end up being the goat they wouldn't even be

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00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: there at the end of the game if it weren't

543
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Speaker 1: for Blair Walsh. I mean, he made some money kicks

544
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Speaker 1: and they put it on his shoulders and the last

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Speaker 1: thing that happened that that's and that's the NFL. That

546
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: stuff just happened all I could think. I thought that

547
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: exact sort of thing when they're interviewing Cam Chancellor after

548
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: the game, and I'm thinking, Oh, that's an interesting person

549
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: to ask because he was going to be the goat.

550
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: He gave up a big time penalty that was the

551
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Speaker 1: biggest play of what would have been the game winning

552
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: drive covering Kyle Rudolph, and then he gave up a

553
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: big play to Kyle Rudolph and that's what put them

554
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Speaker 1: in field goal range. But he ends up being the

555
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: guy that Michelle Tafoya talks to afterwards because he also

556
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Speaker 1: was the guy that caused the fumble on Adrian Peterson.

557
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: So all because of Blair Walsh's kick, it's like Chancellor's

558
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: either a go or or a hero. And that was

559
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Speaker 1: similar to a lot of plays that Chancellor's failed to

560
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: make this well, and Blair Walsh's kick means that the

561
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Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers get to deal with the Seahawks and what

562
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: will be a much different offense when it's not you

563
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Speaker 1: know what, it's gonna be forties seven degrees yeah, oh

564
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: yeah A Panthers fans, uh, everyone who is getting in

565
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Speaker 1: my timeline when I said they have to be they

566
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Speaker 1: have to be Almost as disappointed as as the Vikings

567
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: fans when Walsh missed that kick pipe down with all

568
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: the hero worship, They're like, no, that's who we wanted.

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00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: We wanted the Seahawks coming and we feel good. First

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00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,959
Speaker 1: of all, that's crazy. Why would you want to have

571
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,479
Speaker 1: a tougher matchup than playing a Packers team for instance,

572
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Speaker 1: With that's who would have been coming in. That's just stupid.

573
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: You should want your team to have the best possible

574
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Speaker 1: chance to play the Super Bowl. And then every other

575
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: response was did you see them today? They're not very good?

576
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: Like they barely beat the Viking. It doesn't matter what happened.

577
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,479
Speaker 1: I think that I probably got to pick the Panthers

578
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: to win that game. Is something about that. I think

579
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: these are two of the best three or four teams

580
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: in the league, but this game, it doesn't matter anymore.

581
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Speaker 1: Not a negative temperature scored ten points on Planet hath

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be fine when you come back to the

583
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, the nice South. It in your perfect and

584
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: you're crazy to think that you would want the Seahawks.

585
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: You got bad luck. You should be annoyed that the Cardinals,

586
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: who are the two seed, have a much easier road

587
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl than you do as the one seed.

588
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: It's just how it falls sometimes, but that's what happened.

589
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: Burned the game tape. It doesn't mean anything. Because Pete

590
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: Carroll said this after the game. It was really a

591
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: survival game for both teams. I don't think it's a

592
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: measure of anything as far as your football. I mean,

593
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: that's burned the game tape. It doesn't matter. It was

594
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: so cold that burn it to keep warm. Is that

595
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: what that's called? Y'aller horn? Is that how you pronounce it? Oh?

596
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: The gigantic horn? Yes, it broke a story, did Yeah,

597
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm expecting the politics did as a modifier for the

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Speaker 1: Galler Horn. National Blog Association. Move on to our next game.

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00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: By the way, sorry Vikings fans, as we're moving. You

600
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: had a great season. I think they have the foundation

601
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: there before we move on. You do want to stage.

602
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: I think they have the foundation there to be a

603
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: really good team moving forward. I know I just said

604
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: that you can't always believe you're going to be back,

605
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: but they do have a lot of young players Eric

606
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: Kendrick to d Bridge, like really throughout the rafter they're

607
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: really built the life. They've drafted well the last three

608
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: years and nothing. You know, there's no reason to think

609
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: they can't have another good draft and keep building moving on.

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00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: I mean, one missfield goal, you shouldn't be that upset.

611
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, you should be that upset because you're

612
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: not in the playoffs, but your team is in good shape.

613
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: I think I give them like three or four months

614
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: of like drunken devastation where really their lives are off track,

615
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: and then they can get it together from there, right

616
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: around the draft time, once it gets over freezing again.

617
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: I mean, they'll be talking about this game for twenty years.

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00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: It's Gary Anderson like, on one level, the stakes are

619
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: not as high, but this is one of those games

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00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: that will be that replay. If you're Blair Walsh and

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00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: Blair Walsh's children and his grandchildren, you're gonna be dealing

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00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: with this TV clip for a long time. Vikings fans

623
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: are scary on Twitter. That's all I'm going to say. There.

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00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: You know who else though, is Bengals fans in life?

625
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: They are. Let's move on to that game. Let's go

626
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati and the fifth annual West of This All

627
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: right West, this game. We've been waiting for it all

628
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: year and it came, and it was. It was a

629
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: rousing success again. So let's talk about in a wild,

630
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: rainy game in Cincinnati between the Steelers and the Bengals,

631
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: a game that featured an incredible catch, some vicious hits,

632
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: critical turnovers, some questionable calls and non calls, and emotional

633
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: meltdowns by players and coaches as well. All Right West,

634
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: this was a West of Us to remember, this was

635
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: the West of Us to end, all west of his.

636
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you could not script a more fascinating ending

637
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: unless it was that if Montes perfect wasn't touched down

638
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: and he really did just run out the end zone

639
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: and get penalized, that would have been the best way

640
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: to end it, brand like all the way to the

641
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: locker room. But this was a pretty good ending. Just

642
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: a total and comprehensive meltdown of discipline from two players

643
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: who have been known to have meltdowns of disciplines in

644
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: the in the past, and Vantes Perfect, who plays out

645
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: of control frankly, and I think has been for a

646
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: couple of years the dirtiest player in the NFL. Playing

647
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: against the team that is known to hit you, and

648
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: we'll play a little dirty themselves, Vontes Perfect went over

649
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: the line. I think, yeah, Greg, you texted us last

650
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: night and said, this game has everything and it seriously

651
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: did I mean this? You could not make any of

652
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: this up? This had everything and you look at I mean,

653
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: it almost felt like there were multiple games within the

654
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: game because there were just so many different storylines and

655
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: so many things that changed. But Vontes Perfect in this

656
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: game and and the amount of roles that he played

657
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: in this drama was unbelievable. Right. He injures Ben Roethlisberger. Uh,

658
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: we're reporting, Mike Silver is that it was a separated

659
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: shoulder that Ben Roethlisberger wound up playing through. At the end.

660
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: We'll get to that. Perfect played a really good game

661
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: for the most part, but that hit was insane. Not

662
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: because it hit you know, Brown in the head and

663
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: that was a cheap shot. Who knows. He did go

664
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: pretty low. Everyone is convinced that no matter what, he's

665
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: definitely going for. Antonio Brown said, I don't know that,

666
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: but the ball is clearly passed Brown, and there's only

667
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: eighteen seconds left and the balls at the forty seven

668
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: yard line and the Steelers don't have any time outs

669
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: at that point. So if that penalty doesn't happen, the

670
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: Steelers have a really, really hard time winning that game.

671
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: And for him to it just seemed like it was

672
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: such an obvious penalty that's gonna be called twenty times

673
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: out of twenty. For him to make that decision in

674
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: the heat of the moment at that moment and that

675
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: ends up leading to the Adam Jones penalty is absolutely insane.

676
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: It has to be one of the most, if not

677
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: the most costly penalty in playoff history. I mean, can

678
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: anyone come up with another penalty in that sort of

679
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: moment that's just a mental melt down that immediately cost

680
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: your team a season that the season is over, not

681
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: to mention a team that has in won a playoff

682
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: game in Not only that, but I cannot believe the

683
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt he's gotten from some people. When

684
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: you watch Vontes's perfect weekend and week out. He is

685
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: going to twist knees, twist cleats, elbow you in the head.

686
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: He is going to do stuff in the pile and

687
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: after the play to hurt you. And it's totally in

688
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: character for him to lower the boom on a defenseless receiver.

689
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean, and that wasn't the only thing that happened

690
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: in this game. You have, first of all, Mike mullarkey,

691
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: that Mike Munchack, Mike Munschak. I mean, that was unbelievable

692
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: the way that he did that. And then he acted like, oh,

693
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: he was all innocent, like whoa, whoa, whoa, what's going on.

694
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: We'll talk about a guy that's suddenly on television for

695
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: the wrong reason. And then he and he knew in

696
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: his mind that for the next two minutes, the cutbacks,

697
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: the broadcast angles are gonna be looking at him, and

698
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: he's kind of hemming and hand on the sideline and

699
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: like trying to get an assistant coach and be like, yeah,

700
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: that was no big deal, right, no one would give

701
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: him any credit. You have Joey Porter in the middle

702
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: of the field, in the middle of a Bengals huddle

703
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: as well, Well, that's the thing, and we're gonna play

704
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: Adam Jones's rant on Instagram in just a minute. But

705
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: Adam Jones was really fire it up at that moment

706
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: because because Joey Porter is out there instigating, and Adam

707
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: Jones deserves no credit and no uh leniency for that

708
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: moment of losing his mind too and winding up pushing

709
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: the official. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

710
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: But you still can point out the fact that Porter

711
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: is acting like a clown by being out there. I

712
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: don't care, right, I don't care if a player is

713
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: injured on the field. I don't care what he's doing exactly.

714
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: This is the same man who literally was doing a

715
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: crab walk celebration any Cincinnati, which was which was awesome,

716
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: after a penalty flag was thrown already for celebrating. That

717
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: was what happened last time the Steelers were there. So

718
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: Porter is an idiot, and he's lucky that he wasn't penalized.

719
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: He should have been penalized. He shouldn't have been on

720
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: the field. Those penalties should have offset. Sometimes it sometimes

721
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: it happens that that whatever happens with the officials changes

722
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: the narrative. But imagine if you will the the official

723
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: just called the penalty on Porter right away, and that

724
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: it ends up being offsetting between perfect and Porter, and

725
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: you back it up to everything different. All we're talking

726
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: about today is how Joey Porter cost the Steelers a

727
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: playoff game, and it would have been totally justified. But

728
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: it didn't happen. And that's why Adam Jones was so

729
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: fired up after the game. Job you got up Jerry

730
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 1: Port in the middle of field, everybody with somebody say

731
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: something to him. He only phil, all right, I'm good

732
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: now I've had my two minutes, um, But I still

733
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: don't believe I should have got a play for talking

734
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: to a coach that's on the field behind them. That's

735
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: an open well. I mean, it's frustrating because he's Those

736
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: were two separate Instagram posts, by the way, the first

737
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: one was deleted and Coolconda, cool down. I mean it's

738
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: as Greg just said so eloquently. I mean, he committed

739
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: his own fraction, which Bengals fans will feel as ridiculous.

740
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 1: But Joey Porter has been a nuisance for a decade

741
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: plus and I thought that when his playing days ended,

742
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: we would mean I if you are if you watch

743
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 1: a lot of a f C North games. That guy

744
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: has been a pain in the butt for every team

745
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: that plays him for a long time because he was

746
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: a great player. But now he's just annoying. And it's

747
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: how many pregame fights were there with Joey Porter back

748
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: in the days where that right, I mean, this is

749
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: this is one guy that you would have two Steelers

750
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: coaches that were flagged in this playoff game, and they happened,

751
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: that would have been unprecedented. Bengals fans were whipped into

752
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: a ridiculous frenzy all week by talk radio and the

753
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: newspapers coverage, the TV coverage in that city. I saw

754
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: it on Facebook because all of my friends, friends and

755
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: family are there. They are convinced that the Steelers are

756
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: the dirtiest team and they run the cleanest program, and

757
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: they are so smart and play great football. You dealt

758
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: with you can you pay for a couple of idiots?

759
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: And and I haven't been nuanced enough about Vontes Perfect.

760
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: I've been watching this team for forty years in the

761
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: Lers come in and kick their butts every time because

762
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: they have backbone and tough players, and Vontes Perfect is

763
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: that for the Bengals. He's there, mean, Joe Green, he's there,

764
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: James Harrison, who's willing to get physical and dirty. If

765
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: they had a few more vont perfect they probably win

766
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: this game. You're gonna get the other side of it, though, too,

767
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: and that costs them last night. Well, you're right, they

768
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: didn't back down that. I mean, this was not the

769
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: Steelers coming in and playing bully as they normally do,

770
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: not on any level. Well it was for three quarters.

771
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: I mean, the Steelers are up fifteen nothing, and we

772
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: think this is an absolute snooze fest right until the moment.

773
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: Really that perfect uh sacks Ben Roethlisberger at the two

774
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: yard line. It's still fifty nothing at that point. By

775
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: the way, that did start changing the tenor of the game.

776
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: The Bengals come all the way back with a great

777
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Everyone deserves credit in that. In that comeback

778
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: a J McCarron included. And then they get the ball

779
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: back after picking off Landry Jones and Jeremy Hill. All

780
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: they have to do right there. As costly as the

781
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: penalties were by perfect, the Hill fumble really is the

782
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: more not unforgivable, but I think it's the costlier. They

783
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: didn't need yards there. They just needed to run the clock.

784
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: And he was going four yards and well I didn't

785
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: have Gio Bernard because he was concussed earlier. Well, all

786
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: he had to do is not fumble. I don't mind

787
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: them going for yards. He got six yards and the

788
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,959
Speaker 1: play four more yards and the game is literally over.

789
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna be able to burn the time outs.

790
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: He got six yards, that's a first down run. They

791
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: get ten yards in the next two plays. The game's over.

792
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: But you just you can't fumble it. No matter what

793
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: you do, you can't fumble. And Ryan Shazier had an

794
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: awesome game and that was the best and biggest play

795
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: of that game. I mean he should be the hero.

796
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: And his hit on g O I thought, that's like

797
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: sort of when the wheels fell off and all the

798
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: emotions really started to just like bubble. It really got

799
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: out of control, and it is It is interesting that

800
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: in the following twenty four hours there were reports that

801
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: maybe the Bengals would decide to remove Marvin Lewis and

802
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: elevate Hugh Jackson. And one of the issues with Marvin

803
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: Lewis was players in the locker room afterwards saying that

804
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: there's not anyone taking control of this group of players,

805
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: especially on defense. And then it's not an issue just

806
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: in this game, but it's been an issue ongoing for

807
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, and the perfect hit on Ben Roethlisberger specifically,

808
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: we saw Bengals fans throwing all sorts of stuff at

809
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: him and booing. But when you talk about the way

810
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: that the offense performed without him and with Landry Jones

811
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: in there, it was like the Bengals defense there was

812
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: blood in the water and they knew that they could

813
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: come back and this was there, this was their home.

814
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: And if they don't have the Steelers don't have Ben

815
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger going forward, that's a major major problem as well. Yeah,

816
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: the Bengals white might wind up taking out the Steelers,

817
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: it just might be a week later. I mean it really,

818
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: it really is. I still can't say enough though about Czia.

819
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: I mean, he is something else. There are not many

820
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: linebackers tackles that I've ever seen like him in nobody,

821
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean, who moves like him? That's what I'm saying

822
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: that the speed, it is just insane. And everyone was

823
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: killing me on Twitter again for kind of anti Greg

824
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: stuff happening on Twitter. Are you are you have a

825
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: complex about it all? Because I thought the Shazire hit

826
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: on Bernard was clean and there was a lot of

827
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: question about whether he launched or not, whether that should

828
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: have been a penalty. There were some ex officials that

829
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: got on Twitter and said that should have been a penalty.

830
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: Then again, Pereira said the exact opposite my Carres. So

831
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: there was a disagreement whether that hit was dirty. But

832
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: I think it was part of a game that he

833
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: was as vicious whatever you want to call it. He

834
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: was vicious in that game and it was a big

835
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: reason why they won. I want to say one quick

836
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: thing because I know the Bengals fans in the stadium

837
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: and to some degree there are a lot of clowns

838
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: in there, obviously, But I actually had more of a

839
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: West of this evening, I think than West, because West

840
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: was on at home, strapped to a laptop having to

841
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: report this game for some reason, and I was actually

842
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: at a very intriguing dive bar not far from our

843
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: office that somehow was filled with Yeah, that's last year's West. Yeah,

844
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: that's last year. Friends, Philadelphia and Liz Lowe's a good friends.

845
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: If you're watching on on YouTube and you can. You

846
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: can check it out on our YouTube playlist if you

847
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: want to see West with the eyes of a man

848
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: that's been enjoying West of him. I missed that hat

849
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: my old train Rex. This year's photo would have been

850
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: West in like a darkened room with a lap, the

851
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: light of a laptop on his face. But I mean

852
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: I was. I tried to the best I could. I

853
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: was in a in a dive bar filled with probably

854
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty Bengals fans and now we're bringing this

855
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: completely tone deaf music back to the one of the

856
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: most violent NFL games I've ever seen in my life.

857
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: That's that's fine, but I will like these guys. I

858
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: felt for them. I completely felt for these fans, and

859
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: the music rages on. I'm not sure why, but it's

860
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: they were defeated. From the first minute the game showed

861
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: any sense of going wrong, and it felt to me

862
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: like sitting with Browns fans, honestly, because you just expect

863
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: the worst to happen. And at one point I had

864
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: to move away and go to another edge of the

865
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: room and just watch the game on my own. But

866
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: as it began to crumble, and when it finally took

867
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: its final turn. I looked back and just the sadness

868
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: and that side of the bar, it was unbelievable. Well,

869
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: imagine if you feel for them. If you're a Bengals fan,

870
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: you've probably turned off this podcast like the minute we

871
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: went into this west of this intro, because we're just

872
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: having so much glee at a team's misfortunate. I mean,

873
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: this is the same podcast like we're afraid, like if

874
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: the Browns loser, the Jets lose, Like we're afraid to

875
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: even mention it, like we can't like we were gonna

876
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: do well, we mentioned it plenty of times. What I

877
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: mean that we're sensitive to a fan right after the game,

878
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: especially after a big loss, and that they're feeling it

879
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: like they thought that they were going to win that game.

880
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: I tho this is another level of losing. The stat

881
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: that they've never come from behind to win any playoff game,

882
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: any deficit, So that means they've never even come from

883
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: behind to be down three nothing in the first quarter

884
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: and win the game. And so that shows the there's

885
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: no like there's no thing that they can look back on.

886
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: Then their team had fight, and yet this is a

887
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 1: game they were down fifty nothing in the fourth quarter

888
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: with their backup quarterback A. J. Mccaren and for this

889
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: to be the win where they finally get uh the

890
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: Schneidoff for twenty six years. I mean, it was gonna

891
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: be an incredible moment. It was gonna be the best

892
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: like that, one of the best Bengals moments ever in

893
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: the day is so devastating. Our four friend Michael Berger,

894
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: has been on this show. Looked like a shell of

895
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: himself today in the office. He was so sad. It

896
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: made me think differently a little bit. The Bengals are

897
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: Charlie Brown and football is Lucy pulling the ball. I mean,

898
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: that's the playoffs. It's and I know there's a disconnect.

899
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: You guys always wonder how can I enjoy the misery

900
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: of my family and friends. Well, look, here's the thing.

901
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: I don't have to prove my fandom. I wrote a

902
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: love letter to the Bengals organization with Ohio River offense

903
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: in the off season. I have fond memories, but I knew,

904
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: like in the nineties, I had to get out. I

905
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: had to get out. You know, the Bengals went and

906
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: we broke up. They broke my heart. They went and

907
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: they got collagen lips and fake boobs and everybody falls

908
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: for them, everybody falls for him. But they're not that pretty,

909
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: and I don't trust them, and I have to me

910
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: they're a source of endless amusement, not a source of hope.

911
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: And I understand of other Bengals see them as a

912
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: source of hope. I think they're hilarious. And I find

913
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: the whole West of Its thing endlessly amusing. I just

914
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: love every minute of it. I was downright giddy. And

915
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: if you guys want to keep seeing the Bengals as

916
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: a source of hope, that's on you. Well if you

917
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: don't laugh, cry so Greg's shaking his head. Well, I'm

918
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: thinking back to your tone, your tone deaf music. I

919
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: think we're getting the producers, and I would just like

920
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: to say one last thing about and then we must

921
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: move on. We must move on. I'll just celebrate the

922
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: whole of day, all right, thank you. Because it's an

923
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: international holiday now. I got sets before the game from

924
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: people in Brazil, Ireland, New Zealand, Norway. Sweeten, everybody's got

925
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: their drinks out. What do I do to celebrate? What

926
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: should I cook? How do I celebrate West of This?

927
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: And after the game. I must have gotten a thousand

928
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: tweets it was our listeners are the best. I love

929
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: you guys. I appreciate how much you all enjoy my enjoyment.

930
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: And you guys are really nice too, by the way.

931
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to our final game, the

932
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs and the Houston Texans, whoa wild card

933
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: weekend kicked off with a crazy one and six yard

934
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: kickoff return for a touchdown by Nile Davis. Fryan Hoyer

935
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: followed that up with a disastrous day, committing four turnovers

936
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: on his first six possessions. The Texans tails been continued

937
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: from there, ending in a thirty point shutout at home.

938
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: So the Kansas City Chiefs have now won eleven straight.

939
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: But with Jeremy Macklin day today dealing with a high

940
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: ankle sprain, that's a major blow to the case offense. Mark, Well,

941
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: I just want to talk about one thing, and it's

942
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: it's the fact that the Texans, which I do think

943
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: have been a well coached team under Bill O'Brien and

944
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: had done a lot with a little So there's your credit.

945
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: But well no, because that's the case. But there when

946
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: we talk about what the playoffs need and how to

947
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: fix the playoffs in some areas. You know, we got

948
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: some bad games this weekend, and this was one of

949
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: the worst playoff games. I've been watching football since Night four,

950
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: and this is one of the worst in least competitive

951
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: playoff games and least dramatic football events I've ever seen

952
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,919
Speaker 1: with my eyes. And I would never want to watch

953
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: this again in the playoffs. It was and Greg, you

954
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: mentioned it was the third highest rated Saturday playoff game

955
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon Saturday afternoon playoff games, and I just see

956
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: that is the fact that the audience continues to grow.

957
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: It is not because there was even a compelling element

958
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 1: to this game. And it starts and ends with Brian Hoyer,

959
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: who look at Brian Horrier is a is a nice

960
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: person by all accounts. It's not a personal thing, but

961
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: your job as a quarterback in a game like this,

962
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: when you have this kind of an offense, if you're

963
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: not going to take command and you can't do that

964
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna target DeAndre Hopkins, enough got to

965
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: manage this thing and not make mistakes. And from the

966
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: first pass he looked completely lost at sea. To me,

967
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: the interceptions were not tips. They were not deflections. They

968
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: were not someone else's fault. They were his fault. They

969
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 1: were terrible throws. And you know, I wrote a column

970
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: basically saying that the Texans will never change this Bill

971
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: O'Brien team until they start finding something other than Flotsom

972
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: to be their quarterback. This group of hobby horses, lots

973
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: of and jets them, this group of hobby horses that

974
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: they wheel out every season is ridiculous. And these are

975
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 1: just a group of backup quarterbacks thrust into this position.

976
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: And people were tweeting saying it's not fair, but that's see,

977
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: that's the point. The fact that a stadium of full

978
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: of people were cheering for Brandon weed And to come

979
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: save the day is a problem. And and people were saying, oh, well,

980
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: you're not giving enough credit or enough blame to the

981
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: Texans defense and other what are you talking about. The

982
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: Texans defense actually did a good job with what they

983
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: were handed, So you can't have a quarterback do this.

984
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: The game was a disaster, It was not fun to watch.

985
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: It could not have end quickly enough, and I'm glad

986
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: it ended. Why did you hate this game so much?

987
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: Number one? Number one? I was like, no, because because

988
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: I hadn't been on this on the desk for a

989
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: long time, and I knew this was the final part

990
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: of the day, and I couldn't. I just wanted it

991
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: to be fun, if anything, or be a blowout. It

992
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: was a blowout, and it's Texans proved they did not

993
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: They were not up for the billion on any level.

994
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: They did not deserve to be in the playoffs. I

995
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: feel bad for Jets fans. I am ashamed that I

996
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: pick the Texas to win, and I think that they're

997
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: not alone. The preview I wrote for this game might

998
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: be the worst article I've ever written. That I spent

999
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: so much time trying to find a reason for the

1000
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: Texans to be competitive, and they, like you said, Brian Hoyer. Look,

1001
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: he might be a nice guy, but and it's hard

1002
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: to judge the swing from home, but you look at

1003
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: him and from the opening whistle he appears to be jittery.

1004
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: He's got nerves. Early on, there's no doubt he missed

1005
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: his first couple of throws. They weren't interceptions, but he

1006
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: missed him by a mile and they were wide, and

1007
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: they give him an easy completion to get him one,

1008
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: which is good coaching. And then he can't ever regain

1009
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: his confidence from there. Well, this is a bad team,

1010
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: and you said this is one of the worst playoff

1011
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: games that you've seen. This has to be one of

1012
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: the worst teams to have made the playoffs the Texans

1013
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: because they were under five hundred by a couple of games.

1014
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: Outside of one of the worst divisions I've ever seen.

1015
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: This year's a f C South. I mean that that

1016
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: is a terrible division. Uh. I believe this is a

1017
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: team that crumbles in a lot of situations when they

1018
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 1: start falling behind. I know this was earlier in the season,

1019
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: but they get blasted by the Falcons, they get blasted

1020
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: by the Dolphins, they get blasted by the Patriots. This

1021
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: is a team that in many games this season weren't

1022
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 1: particularly competitive. Now, on the other hand, you can kind

1023
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: of if you're the rest of the if you're the

1024
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: other fifty two guys, there's not a lot you can

1025
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: do about this kind of Brian Hoyer showing up, you

1026
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I mean, he just was so bad.

1027
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: It was the worst game of his career. I'm sure

1028
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: it was certainly the worst game of the season. He's

1029
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: been solid this season, played bad, but I mean how

1030
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: much of that was the Chiefs defense as well? Now

1031
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: I know, like he's he is no good, but how

1032
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: much was that exacerbated by the Chiefs defense. The Chiefs.

1033
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: We've gone all of this time talking about the Texans,

1034
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: the Chiefs at this point of one eleven straight, and

1035
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: that defense looks insanely good. I think they're right there

1036
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: with the best defense in the league. And they did

1037
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: exactly what you would want them to do against a

1038
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: team with very little talent. They dominated. I mean, they're

1039
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: good at every level. Justin Houston supposed to be their

1040
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: best player, and he doesn't even seem right he does

1041
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: coming off a knee injury. And yet you've got done

1042
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 1: Terry Poe, You've got Dereck Johnson, You've got Marcus Peters,

1043
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: Shan Smith, Alan Bailey had a good game. Alan Bailey

1044
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: had a good game. You know, Jay Howard. It's a

1045
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: great defense, and they're and they're going up against the

1046
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: Patriots team who struggled on offense, and I mean, I

1047
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: think they're as good as any defense. In the end,

1048
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: that's gonna be an interesting game, I really do. I agree. So,

1049
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: I mean, they did everything they needed to do. They

1050
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: swarmed to the ball like no other defense in the playoffs.

1051
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: They swarmed to the ball. Bob Sutton. I mean, if

1052
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 1: Bob Sutton was twenty years younger and he had half

1053
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: the mouth that the people he used to work for

1054
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan and Mike Petton did, people would be talking

1055
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: about him as some great coach. I mean, he's the

1056
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: best coach right now from that crew. He's not the

1057
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: best coach, but he's well, he's the only one that

1058
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: made that defense. He's not running that defense exactly, but

1059
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: to make you know, the core of that defense work

1060
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: this season and the people that taught it to him

1061
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: complete trunk un He's having the best season and this

1062
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: is a team with a long, long playoff drought too,

1063
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: so they their fans should should enjoy the you know

1064
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: hell out of this. And the Chiefs, to me, I mean,

1065
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: they should have been up way more than thirteen nothing

1066
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Speaker 1: at the half. They wasted some really good position. They

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00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: only had what like four points off of six points

1068
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: off of four turnovers. I mean, there's really no excuse

1069
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Speaker 1: for that. They obviously came out and it was a blowout,

1070
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 1: but it should have been even more of a blowout.

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00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: They did an excellent job by how they dealt with J. J.

1072
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: Watt I thought too where there were even plays where

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00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't even blocked, and they let him pursue and

1074
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: be aggressive the way he is, and they'd have a

1075
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: zone run to the complete opposite direction. They just kind

1076
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: of let they baited him. And I'm not saying he

1077
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: fell ford, he didn't at all. But you know, what

1078
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: can you do. He's gonna pursue and chase and they

1079
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: they well, other teams have not been able to do that.

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00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: The Chiefs are very well coached on offense. They're just

1081
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: not extremely talented on offense, but they got the job done.

1082
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: But they have one of the most talented tight ends

1083
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: or receivers in the league in Travis Kelsey. A hundred

1084
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: and twenty eight yards on a day where they only

1085
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: had a hundred and ninety yards, which is amazing. I

1086
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: mean it was his first hundred yard games since the

1087
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: last time they played the text. But yeah, just watching

1088
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: him the way he plays. Alex Smith, you know, you

1089
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 1: saw the what you don't like about the Chief's offense

1090
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: in the first half, but a lot of third down

1091
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: throws short of the sticks where then they ended up hunting.

1092
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: But you didn't see any big mistakes except the early

1093
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: interception from and then the second half they kind of

1094
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: did what they do. They got a couple of long

1095
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: touchdown drives and it was basically the same Chiefs game

1096
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: that we see every week. Two or three long, nice

1097
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: drives and then you just avoid some mistakes, let the

1098
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: defense do the rest. And it's worked for eleven straight weeks.

1099
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: And I love what I've seen from Spencer where the

1100
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: last couple of months he's running really well. He's prototypical

1101
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: power back and clock killer at the end. But this offense,

1102
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: Jeremy Macklin's injury, he's one of the most valuable number

1103
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 1: one receivers in the NFL just because of what's behind him. Yeah,

1104
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: Albert Wilson is your number two. A rookie, Chris Connelly,

1105
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: who's playing a little bit left better lately, is your

1106
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: number three. Those guys have to come up and be

1107
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: your starters. I would be shocked if if Macklin plays

1108
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: on a high ankle spring. Yeah, I mean, that's a

1109
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: huge loss for them. And it was so sad to

1110
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: see that. I mean it was almost like he knew

1111
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: at that point that he was done, just based on

1112
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: his expression. But that's no good for them because if

1113
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: they're taking on the Patriots and they have Patrick Chung,

1114
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: who's been well, they have Tom Brady was a high

1115
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 1: ankle spring too exactly. But if you're talking about Travis

1116
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 1: Kelsey coming in and replacing his production or trying to

1117
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: Patrick Chung is gonna I mean, he's been able to

1118
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: shut down tight ends really well all year. Yeah, you

1119
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 1: got Chung, you have mccordy, and you got Belichick who

1120
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: tries to up the star on the other team, and

1121
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: that's definitely Kelsey. I think even more than the running game,

1122
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: I think they'll take their chances that their run defense,

1123
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: which has been pretty good, can hold up against Kansas City,

1124
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: and they'll they'll give Kelsey as much attention as the

1125
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: Chiefs give Gronkowski. But but that's for next week. Do

1126
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: we think this Texans team? But I feel like all

1127
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: the teams that lost in the playoffs, they're kind of

1128
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: the most hopeless, like where they don't really feel particularly good. Well,

1129
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: you don't have a quarterback, you're a lot, You're a lot.

1130
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: You're very much like a bunch of teams that didn't

1131
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Two of the ten best players in

1132
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: the NFL this year. But like you said, they seem

1133
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: hopeless because without a quarterback you're nothing. Maybe J J.

1134
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: Watt can take over that from Yeah, we didn't even

1135
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: talk about that. I mean, I think Bill O'Brien should

1136
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: take some of the blame for this game too, But overall,

1137
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: I think they have hope at the coaching position. They've

1138
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 1: got a good coach. The one thing I thought people

1139
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: really killed Bill O'Brien for that J J. Watt play

1140
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: into me. I was like, have you watched Brian Hoyer plays? No,

1141
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: but not joking around. That's when you break out some

1142
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: crazy stuff. And what they've been doing is when you

1143
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: have no confidence in your quarterback. And he had no

1144
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: confidence at that point and he shouldn't have so well

1145
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: until your point, it just didn't work well. I thought

1146
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: it was a little cute. I don't think it was

1147
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: in a big spot where they absolutely needed a touchdown.

1148
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,760
Speaker 1: What would have it would have given Brian Hoyer some confidence. Instead,

1149
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: it was a botched effort. But the next play, Hoyer

1150
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: comes out and throws a pick. The Houston Chronicle ahead

1151
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: the line of the day. It was something like what

1152
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: following will work in the same play. The only place,

1153
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: the only place what follows will work is in the

1154
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: Killings barbecue. Yeah, there was a lot of American Hoyer story.

1155
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: I thought that was a good one. I feel bad

1156
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: for like when when when this happens to a person

1157
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: like that? Or if you're Blair Walsh, what do you

1158
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: do that from? I guess you hurt for a long time,

1159
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: it leaves a terrible scar that will never leave, and

1160
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: then you grow from You're also a millionaire, so you

1161
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: like book a flight to like an island where you

1162
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: don't read Twitter for three weeks. They were women, they

1163
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: now they would be eligible for you to date them

1164
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: because you slightly flawed. But that's how you that's how

1165
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: you approach this. Is this person going to quit and

1166
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: give up and become broken beyond repair or they gonna

1167
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: stay slightly flawed and grow from the experience. Greg, that's

1168
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: actually a great point. You had a date on Friday

1169
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: with the mushroom Cutter. How did that go? It went?

1170
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: It was peculiar, but it went really well. Well experience,

1171
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: but it ended up being fun. Yeah, that's what I

1172
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: would want to hear if I was here and listening

1173
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: to this podcast. It went it was the peculiar she

1174
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 1: ought to know musterroom cutter. All right, well, this has

1175
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: been quite a day everybody. Um, I think Dan is

1176
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: going to be back, hopefully soon. Dan, please get back here,

1177
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 1: flying back right now. I think unless he gets signed

1178
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: to play shortstop in the Winter League, he may stay

1179
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: there for winsor ball come back and in March. Has

1180
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: anybody heard from him a couple three days ago? Vaguely seriously? Yeah,

1181
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: I think he's he a couple of back, back in

1182
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: a couple of hours, and there's been a precedent since

1183
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: that when one of us is on vacation in a

1184
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: tropical locale, you're not to text him. Oh okay, Well,

1185
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: hopefully he is recharged, refreshed and ready to go and

1186
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: ready to host this podcast when he gets back. Guys,

1187
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: this has been great. This has been real. What an

1188
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: awesome weekend of football. It's been great job by Colleen.

1189
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, thank you, well done, Colleen, well done,

1190
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. It's been fun, it's been real.

1191
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: I'm just trying not to mess up. So let's let's

1192
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: get the show on the road. Everybody, have a great week.

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Speaker 1: Oh look, there's the awkward eyes o cam awesome, that's

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Speaker 1: back again. Great. So that isn't for this edition of

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Speaker 1: the Around the NFL podcast for everybody, We'll see you later. Wow. Yeah,

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