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Speaker 1: This one Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, it's a brand new week, and it's a

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Speaker 2: big week for roster decisions. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with

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Speaker 2: you as we sit twenty seven hours away from the

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Speaker 2: deadline when all NFL clubs must get their rosters from

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Speaker 2: ninety down to the required fifty three. Obviously, some teams

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Speaker 2: already making some preemptive actions on that front among them.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that in just a second, as it

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Speaker 2: is a big week for roster construction, and we'll get

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Speaker 2: into the nuts and bolts of it through the course

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Speaker 2: of the show today. But coming off the heels of

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Speaker 2: a weekend in Chicago, the final preseason game for the

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Speaker 2: Bills won by Buffalo twenty four to twenty one. First

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Speaker 2: team offense looked sharp, really encouraged by the way the

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Speaker 2: team ran the football from start to finish in this game.

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Speaker 2: And I was encouraged, Steve, by the way the defensive

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Speaker 2: backs got hands in passing lanes in the deep, deep

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Speaker 2: end of the defense. There interception by JaMarcus Ingram late

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Speaker 2: pass breakups. Those were the things that stood out to

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Speaker 1: That game, and I mentioned a little bit on the

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Speaker 1: TV broadcast. I don't know if you got if Eric

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Speaker 1: touchdown or you did on the broadcast. On the radio side,

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Speaker 1: what I noticed was it seemed like the contact that

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Speaker 1: the week before was not called in the Chicago game.

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Speaker 1: Certainly not as much. Of course, we didn't get as

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Speaker 1: nearly as many penalties, and that's and you can chalk

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Speaker 1: it up to playing a cleaner football game. I made

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Speaker 1: the point on the broadcast that one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: in the secondary a lot, or even on the Bears,

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Speaker 1: it was the dbs were getting their eyes back on

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Speaker 1: the ball. They were trying, they had their eyes off

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Speaker 1: the receiver, and when they do that, the officials were

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Speaker 1: and they don't get called for the contest effort. That

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Speaker 1: was one of the things that contributed to the cleaner game.

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Speaker 1: And we had twelve penalties in the first half of

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh game. We had like one in the first

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Speaker 1: half of the Chicago game. It was or thereabout I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure about the exact number. It was like you

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Speaker 2: One noteworthy news item that came out of the game

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Speaker 2: after it was over was head coach Sean McDermott essentially

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Speaker 2: confirming that he was not calling the offensive plays in

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Speaker 2: the game or the defensive plays excuse me, in the

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Speaker 2: game as the defensive coordinator. He seeded those duties over

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Speaker 2: to secondary coach John Butler, who called the defensive plays.

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Speaker 2: He has been a coordinator in his career one year

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Speaker 2: in Houston and called a pretty good game for all

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Speaker 2: intents and purposes. I mean what a I mean, they

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Speaker 2: for the majority of the game. And coach McDermott's reasoning

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Speaker 2: look at some things, you know, as he's done in

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Speaker 2: the past solely as the head coach.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not for nothing either. You got to have a

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Speaker 1: plan for whatever reason, I know, the head coach and

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Speaker 1: And by going through these motions, and we talked about

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Speaker 2: Coach did clarify. Coach McDermot clarified after the game that

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Speaker 2: he will be calling the defensive plays Week one against

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Speaker 2: the Jets, So it was just a one game scenario

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Speaker 2: to enable coach McDermott to evaluate some things he wanted

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Speaker 2: time in three preseasons that the Bills have had an

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Speaker 2: away preseason game in Chicago, which has afforded one Steve

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Speaker 2: Tasker the luxury of dining with Marv Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: Bill's head coach Marvin Levy, as we know, resides in Chicago,

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Speaker 2: especially in the summer months, and Steve has taken advantage

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Speaker 2: of course Marv has more stories which are quite simply amazing.

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Speaker 2: And if you didn't see the television broadcast, you don't

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Speaker 2: know the story that Steve's about to tell you. It's

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Speaker 2: my eyes almost fell out of my head.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it means something more than this and this

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Speaker 1: like if I'd have told this story two years ago

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Speaker 1: just the way I did on the broadcast. Mark whatever

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was an assistant coach. But the program got

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Speaker 1: And then years later Marv got a chance his as

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Speaker 1: and then he was obviously in nineteen forty one with

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Speaker 1: and that's the guy that he picks Marv. And he's

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Speaker 1: and has rubbed up against all these people. And Frandie goes,

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Speaker 1: I was with the Redskins in nineteen seventy three. This

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Speaker 1: Richard Milhouse. Nixon had written a note to Marv and

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Speaker 2: From President Nixon. I'm basically he said, don't tell anybody

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Speaker 1: Right, I'm sitting there going I'm going to Marv. I

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Speaker 1: He is farrest com I mean, I'm sitting there as

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Speaker 2: It's like the pope showed up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and the Pope is your brother. We show

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Speaker 1: up and I mean it's not like they're not even deferential,

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Speaker 1: it's not like that. It's like Marv. It's like norm

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Speaker 1: on cheers. Marv walks in and like everybody knows him

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Speaker 1: and loves him. He goes, No, I don't have all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. It's a half a step away from,

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Speaker 2: you know, just kissing his ring, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where we are. We're here in Buffalo. No,

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Speaker 1: mar We love Marvey's part of the family here, right,

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Speaker 1: And it's kind of the same way in Chicago, except there,

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Speaker 1: he's like, we get treated. In Buffalo, we're kind of

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Speaker 1: part of the family. People come up to me all

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Speaker 1: the time. Hey, Steve, what's going on? How's the team

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Speaker 1: looking at? You know? That's like it is for Marv

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Speaker 1: And it was such a great it's such a great experience,

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Speaker 1: This is why you need to have professionals handling relationships

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Speaker 1: You get what you deserve. You get what you deserve.

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Speaker 2: be interesting to see if he gets an injury designation

432
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Speaker 2: when they reduce this roster to fifty three. We'll have

433
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Speaker 2: to see where that goes. Speaking of quarterbacks, Anthony Richardson

434
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: being one of them. The top three quarterbacks Steve taken

435
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty three NFL Draft will all start

436
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 2: Week one for their respective teams. Top pick Bryce Young

437
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: will start for Carolina at Atlanta, Texans pick CJ. Stroud

438
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 2: will start for Houston at Baltimore, and number four pick

439
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Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson will start for Indy against Jacksonville. Which rookie

440
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Speaker 2: quarterback do you think has the toughest matchup? Bryce Young,

441
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 2: Carolina at Atlanta, c J. Stroud, Houston at Baltimore. That's

442
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 2: crouds for that one, right.

443
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Speaker 3: It's that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Stroud.

445
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 2: That's a tough place to get.

446
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: Let's to work with, and a tougher spot to get

447
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: dropped into planning against a quarterback and an offense when

448
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: that offense is clicking in years past, when when Lamar

449
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: is healthy, even under the old offensive coordinator, they're efficient,

450
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: you know. I mean they they crank on you. They

451
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: put some real pressure on your defense. They're always coming away, Tucker.

452
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Speaker 1: I mean they're in they're in field goal range when

453
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Speaker 1: they get off the bus, right, So you're gonna get

454
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Speaker 1: points at least over midfield, right, You're gonna get points

455
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 1: every possession. You gotta kind of cape up with them,

456
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: and CJ. Stroud's got to walk into that on the road. Yeah,

457
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: that's that's a tough ask.

458
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 2: Some trade news. Steelers are trading offensive lineman Kevin Dotson

459
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: to the Rams.

460
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: He's a guard.

461
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 2: The trade also comes with a pick swap. Steelers and

462
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 2: Rams are swapping fourth and fifth round picks in next

463
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Speaker 2: year's draft. Steelers are getting the Rams fourth and the

464
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Speaker 2: Rams get the Steelers fifth. In twenty twenty five, Steelers

465
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 2: get the Rams fifth rounder and the Rams get the

466
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 2: Steelers sixth rounder. So the Steelers move up a couple

467
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 2: of rounds in each of the next two drafts. On

468
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Speaker 2: Day three, and you know, the Rams get a much

469
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: needed interior offensive line presence as they are trying to

470
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 2: piece things back together there after a very injury riddled

471
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: offensive line could not protect Matthew Stafford last season, and

472
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: we saw where that got them under five hundred Precipitously,

473
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 2: Colts are also releasing veteran receiver Burshad Perriman. He was

474
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: thought to be like a veteran insurance policy for that

475
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 2: receiving corps, but apparently didn't wow enough. In the preseason

476
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Speaker 2: two trades for the Patriots steve both of which involved

477
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Speaker 2: their offensive line. So the Patriots trade running back Pierre

478
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 2: Strong Junior to the Browns over the weekend in exchange

479
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 2: for offensive tackle Tyrone Wheatley Junior. And then today the

480
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Speaker 2: Vikings send them offensive tackle Vederian Lowe in exchange for

481
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Speaker 2: a sixth round pick next year. If you're a team

482
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Speaker 2: making two trades for offensive linemen in the span of

483
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Speaker 2: two days, that can't be a ringing endorsement for your

484
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: offensive line.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it's not, no question. But also, particularly

486
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: when you trade for those guys, it's different than signing,

487
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: even signing free agents. You know, it's not like you're

488
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 1: just bringing them in to try them out because you're

489
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: happy with your guys. You're trading for these guys, so

490
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: you've targeted some guys you think can contribute right away. Yeah,

491
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: that's that's not a great place to be. And I

492
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: don't know what it says about where they have been

493
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: in their preseason run up, in their in their training

494
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: camp reps and what it has looked like. But obviously

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00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: you'd think that Bill O'Brien had to sign off on

496
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: this as well, or at least bring it to Belichick's attention.

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00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: If Belichick didn't bring it to his attention, they have

498
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: struggled over there, and they contribue to struggle anytime that

499
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: Dante Scarnekia has not been in their building. He was.

500
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: He was an absolutely stellar special teams coordinator for decades

501
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: over there. Then when Belichick came in, he moved him overnight.

502
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: He's the offensive line coach for a number of years,

503
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: and he stepped away for a minute and it all

504
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: came apart. Apparently he came back for a year or two,

505
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: and now he's now he did retire, and it doesn't

506
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: seem like it's going swimmingly.

507
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: It will certainly bear well.

508
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: Coaching means something. And I think to this, to this

509
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: trade talk about the Patriots and their offensive line, I'm yeah,

510
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: it does not bode well.

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00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: But the Bills are are subject today concerning Buffalo's roster.

512
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: As we know, they have to get down to fifty

513
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 2: three by tomorrow at four pm. So the question on

514
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: the table for you today is which Bills player is

515
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: convinced you they deserve a roster spot, Somebody that performed

516
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: so admirably that maybe they weren't even on your radar

517
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: when the team reported to training camp, but now you're like,

518
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: you know what, that guy deserves a spot, and I

519
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: would put him on my fifty three man roster. You

520
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: tell us who that person is at eight h three

521
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: zero five point fifty one eighty eight five fifty two

522
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: five fifty to get on board. Got open lines for

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00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: you there, or you can hit us up on the tweetshet

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Speaker 2: of One Bill's Live. We will take a break, but

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Speaker 2: back with your phone calls here on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned, all right, Welcome back to One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you gonna go to the

528
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: phones where we are asking you which Bill's player has

529
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: convinced you they deserve a spot on the fifty three

530
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: man roster. There's a several to choose from, as there

531
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: were some, you know, players that had to really put

532
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 2: the work in every single day to convince the coaching

533
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: staff they deserve a spot on the fifty three man roster.

534
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: So if you have one or two players like that

535
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: in mind, give us a caladyto three zero five fifty

536
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: one eight eight five fifty two five point fifty. Those

537
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: are the numbers to get on us. Got some open

538
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: lines for you. But we lead off today with Judy

539
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: and Buffalo. What do you offer us?

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00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 4: Judy, Okay, well, this is not to the questioning point,

541
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 4: but you made your beginning program extolled the career of

542
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 4: Marve Leeb and I just want to go back to

543
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 4: the first game.

544
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 5: Of the four.

545
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 4: I thought we had our best chance to win against

546
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 4: the Giants, and for some reason, Marve Leeby didn't have

547
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 4: that team prepared. We went up against a backup quarterback.

548
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 4: We couldn't do anything. And I'm relating this now to

549
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 4: our thirteenth second debacle against the Kansas City Chiefs, which

550
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 4: was our second best chance. So you know, I don't

551
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 4: know where we stand, but we seem to have a

552
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 4: coaching deficiency that is keeping us from the big game.

553
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 4: Your comment please interesting.

554
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I get where you're saying. I think I

555
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: get where you're saying, Judy. And here's the thing, You're

556
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: every team in the league has a coaching deficiency until

557
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: you get there and win it. I mean that's you're

558
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: You're You're gonna be able to say that against about anybody.

559
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: You can say that against some of them who have

560
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: actually done it. Uh, you can look at point to

561
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: players and say, well, they had this guy and they

562
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: won it, and once he's gone, they didn't. You can

563
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: say it about you know people they say about Andy Reid.

564
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: They said about Andy Reid, they say it about Mike Tomlin.

565
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: If he didn't have Ben Roethlisberger, he couldn't win a game,

566
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. I get it. And certainly

567
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: I've heard this stuff about Marvin the and Super Bowl

568
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: twenty five before as well. And the thirteen second thing

569
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: is gonna haunt this team until they overcome it. But

570
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: don't forget they the thirteen second game was just to

571
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: get to the AFC Championship game. They still had to

572
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: beat would have had to beat since Cincinnati the next

573
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: week to go so and Cincinnati actually came in and

574
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: beat the Chiefs in the AFC Championship Game, so they

575
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: were going to do what the Bills did. So it

576
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: would have been a chance for the Bills to go

577
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. No question. You can say that. Absolutely,

578
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: you can say the Bills have a coaching problem until

579
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: they go to and win the Super Bowl. Every team

580
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: in the league is going to say that. So I'm

581
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: there's nothing you can say about that. That's one of

582
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: those arguments that there's no argument for until they actually

583
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: go and do it. Andy Reid was released and fired

584
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: in Philly only to go and win two Super Bowls

585
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: with Kansas City and go to a third. So yeah,

586
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: well I get your point. You're right, but that, to

587
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: me is one of those arguments that critics make of

588
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: people knowing that they can't be disputed. It's a safe

589
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: argument to make, and you can say whatever you want.

590
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: But to me, that's coming from a lot of people

591
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: who sit on the fence and have never actually been

592
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: in the corral. So take that for what it's worth.

593
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot of really great coaches, a lot of

594
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: really great human beings in there that are super Bowl worthy,

595
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: but there's about six million things that got to go

596
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 1: right before you can do it and win one. So

597
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: all these coaches in the whole league could be put

598
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: in that same category at one point of their career.

599
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: But you got to be the people who believe in

600
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: it enough that you've got your own, your right guy,

601
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: and you stick with him until they do it. That's

602
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: the only way it happens.

603
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the phones and to EJ and Pittsford.

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Speaker 2: What do you got for a CJ. You're on one

605
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: Bill's Live.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for taking my call, and you guys just made money.

607
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Speaker 6: I'm following Judy, She is one of my favorite callers.

608
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Speaker 7: Her and Steven.

609
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 6: I think it's Steven two of my favorite callers. They

610
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 6: tell it to you straight. And so a couple of

611
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 6: things I wanted to talk to you guys about. I

612
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 6: wanted to pump a couple of tires, and I wanted

613
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 6: to give her per day. I just heard the question,

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00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 6: so that that fits the first stare is is Steve

615
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 6: definitely Hall of Famer? I know you you don't like

616
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 6: talking about it, but after hearing that story about you

617
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 6: and Mark and the Oppenheimer and I gotta say, whoever,

618
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 6: who's ever representing you on that board, here's another quiver.

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Speaker 6: It's the company you keep and you Mark, You've got Jim,

620
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 6: You've got Therm, and you've got Bruce. I mean that

621
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 6: just shows you know you, you and your character. So

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Speaker 6: I'm uh, I pumped up for that coming up. Pump

623
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Speaker 6: beans tire right now. And he the Sherfield pick or

624
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 6: the Sherfield.

625
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 7: Getting him on the team.

626
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 6: He's a solid number three and he doesn't get talked

627
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 6: about him. Said in my opinion, Uh, we.

628
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 7: Got Diggs, He's he's a ballble one.

629
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 6: He got Davis, and I think Davis is I think

630
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 6: Knox is there to be and I say these things

631
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 6: is like production availability, like the whole package. It's not

632
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 6: like wide receiver X.

633
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 7: I don't know enough about that stuff.

634
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 6: I try to stay in my lane and then not

635
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 6: say things out of my fourth point of contact for

636
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 6: the airborne out there. And then like number three is Surefield,

637
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 6: he's just mister consistent and then every else. You know,

638
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 6: Dorsey's got a lot to play with there. So those

639
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 6: are my thoughts on the pump and the tires. I'll

640
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 6: stop there. And then I got a prediction based on

641
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 6: in your question.

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00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 2: Okay, who do you Why don't you just rattle that

643
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 2: off now?

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00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 7: Okay, real quick, Isabella based on the three games, I

645
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 7: think Isabella is our kick return, and I think is

646
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 7: our punt return and their bulls and the team.

647
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, that's an interesting one, Heja, thanks for

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Speaker 2: the call. A lot to unpack there. Yeah, Isabella is

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Speaker 2: a guy that has convinced some Has he convinced the Bills?

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Speaker 2: That's the big question here. You know, I know that

651
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Speaker 2: he has been very shorthanded on the offensive side of

652
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: the ball. Did let one get away from him when

653
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: somebody popped the ball out on his punt return last

654
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: week at Chicago. That you know that never helps knowing

655
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 2: the premium that coach McDermott puts on ball security. But

656
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: I know, I know he's opened some eyes on this

657
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: coaching staff. So I think it becomes a question of

658
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 2: numbers and whether or not they keep six receivers or

659
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Speaker 2: they keep seven. Now, each of the last two years,

660
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: the Bills have kept seven receivers when they have initially

661
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: formed their fifty three man roster. For the reasons like

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00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: injuries and other things. That number was eventually reduced to

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Speaker 2: six a week or two later, but they have kept

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Speaker 2: seven each of the last two years. I believe Marquez

665
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Speaker 2: Stevenson had a foot injury had to go on ir

666
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Speaker 2: He was a seventh receiver in twenty one, and last

667
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: year they started with seven receivers as well, but I

668
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 2: think there was a roster designation change again last year.

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Speaker 2: The point I'm making is they've carried seven before, so

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Speaker 2: it's not out of the realm of possibility.

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Speaker 1: And no, but six is probably a given.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think six is a given.

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00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and seven seven, seven, it's probably just a maneuvering,

674
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: like to get a guy off and he'll be off

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00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: the roster almost immediately. You're right, though, I agree with you.

676
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: Surefield was a great find. He's been a great fit,

677
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Speaker 1: and I think he likes it here and all the

678
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: stuff that goes around having a guy be successful, and

679
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: this finger quote, I'm saying, the best version of him

680
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: seems to be in place here in Buffalo. For Surefield,

681
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: he is really acclimated extremely well. Isabella, same thing he

682
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: came in. I think the Bills jumped on him when

683
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Speaker 1: he became available, and were probably in on him after

684
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Speaker 1: he left Arizona and he went to Baltimore for whatever

685
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: he and in Baltimore he didn't make it through the

686
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: offseason workouts for whatever reason, probably maybe because it's obij whatever.

687
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Speaker 1: But as soon as he was available out of Baltimore,

688
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: they called him again. Probably they called him and he

689
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: signed immediately, and Brown and I were standing there on

690
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Speaker 1: the first day he stepped on the field, and he

691
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 1: was different. Whether he's been different and unique and good

692
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: enough thus far to get on the roster, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: The only downside I can see to him at all

694
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Speaker 1: is the fact that he coughed the ball up on

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Speaker 1: a return in the Chicago game. Now, the Bills recovered it,

696
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: and it turned out to be a nothing burger. But

697
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 1: the ball popped up and went up in the air

698
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Speaker 1: and all that. So turns are not a good thing.

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Speaker 1: But it didn't count as a turnover. It counted as

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Speaker 1: a fumble, and of fumbled they recovered. So that's the

701
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Speaker 1: only downside I've seen to him in the three or

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Speaker 1: four weeks. Yeah, that's the only blemish on a three

703
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: or four week start here in Buffalo that has been fantastic.

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Speaker 2: They have been very impressed, the offensive staff has with

705
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Speaker 2: his ability to pick up the playbook as quickly as

706
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 2: he did. He has had really no mental errors, mental

707
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: busts of any kind. And you talk to other players

708
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 2: on this roster, they'll tell you how voluminous that playbook is.

709
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: So that's all working in his favor. We'll have to

710
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: just wait and see if it's enough to get him

711
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: on the roster, you know, come tomorrow. Now.

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Speaker 1: We talked to Brandon about the same thing about having

713
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Speaker 1: Isabella and Deontay Hardy on the.

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Speaker 2: Roster, same body type players right there.

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Speaker 1: And I've used the word redundant once in reference to

716
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: those two guys. Are similar, both return guys, both smaller stature,

717
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: both very quick, very agile. Brandon told us in our

718
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: production meeting on Saturday, he shrugged his shoulders, said, we

719
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Speaker 1: got all these big receivers and stuff. And Josh seems

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Speaker 1: to really like the little guys. He likes when they

721
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: because some guys they separate because and quarterbacks when they're

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00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: watching they want to throw to a guy. Quarterbacks, all

723
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Speaker 1: of them, everyone I've ever spoken to, is big on

724
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Speaker 1: body language. They know what by the way the guy moves.

725
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: They know what he's gonna do because they play reps

726
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: with him and stuff, and they think and they get it.

727
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Speaker 1: They kind of understand what the guy's thinking by the

728
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Speaker 1: way he's running his route and all of that. Quarterbacks

729
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Speaker 1: love that, and Surefield not yeah, Shurfield Dear, Johntay Hardy

730
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Speaker 1: and Andy Isabella all seem to click like that. For Josh,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying with Josh, but for Josh, he knows

732
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Speaker 1: what they're thinking by the way they run their routes.

733
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Speaker 1: He likes it. And and being kind of shrugs his shoulders,

734
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Speaker 1: Josh likes the little guys. He likes like you know,

735
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley, the John Brown's.

736
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Speaker 2: Maybe he just reads them better.

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Speaker 1: He seems to read them better. That's exactly right, and

738
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Speaker 1: so it sounds like they're not going to have a

739
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: problem finding a way to keep two guys that have

740
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Speaker 1: the similar skill set, particularly when they got Srfield sitting there,

741
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: who's exactly like Gabe Davis, a little bit like Steph

742
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: Digg there. He's a route runner, technician, hard worker, bigger guy.

743
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: So you know, there's five guys right there that they

744
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: really really like.

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Speaker 2: We have to take a break here, but Maureen and

746
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: Clarence will lead us off when we come back, followed

747
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 2: by others. Holding at eight oh three five point fifty.

748
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: What player on this roster right now has convinced you

749
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Speaker 2: they deserve a spot on the fifty three man squad.

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Speaker 2: We're taking your phone calls next and for the rest

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Speaker 2: of the show here on One Bill's Live, presented by

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Speaker 2: Colida Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, welcome back

753
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: to One Bill's All. We're trying to keep our ear

754
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: to the ground on any and all transactions taking place

755
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: across the league. We're expecting there to be a decent

756
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 2: amount of trade activity today prior to final cutdowns, and

757
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: there has been a trade The Browns have traded a

758
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: seventh round pick in twenty twenty five to the Chargers

759
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: in exchange for kicker Dustin Hopkins, a former Bills draft

760
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: choice sixth round pick back in twenty thirteen. I want

761
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: to save my memory serves me. The reason why is

762
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: Cameron Dicker won the kicker competition in LA with the Chargers,

763
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: so Hopkins was expendable. The Browns just throw Cad York

764
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: overboard after a very up and down preseason, so they

765
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Speaker 2: land Dustin Hopkins as a veteran kicker for their roster.

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Speaker 2: But let's go back to the phones. At a three

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Speaker 2: zero five to fifty one eight eight eight five point

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Speaker 2: fifty two five fifty those are the numbers to join

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Speaker 2: us as we are asking you which Bills player has

770
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: convinced you they deserve a spot on the fifty three

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Speaker 2: man roster. Back to the phones, and as promised to

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Speaker 2: Maureen to lead us off from Clarence, what do you

773
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 2: got for us? Maureen?

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 5: I think I think it should be uh shack Laws

776
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 5: and I think he he plays with the passion. I

777
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 5: think he left here thought it was going to be

778
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 5: maybe better someplace else and really missed this area. The team,

779
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 5: the city, and he really responds to being in this environment.

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Speaker 5: I think he's the kind of player that really wants

781
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 5: to be here and has really shown I think through

782
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 5: his play that he I think he's pretty good. I

783
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 5: think he's pretty good the people that you know, some

784
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 5: of the players that played over the weekend, and that

785
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Speaker 5: I think that Isabella is very good. I know he fumbled,

786
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 5: but that, you know, that's kind of incidental at this point.

787
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Speaker 5: I think overall he's done well. And when they were

788
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Speaker 5: talking about, you know, different drafting people, I think Christian

789
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 5: Benford has been one of those real surprises, you know,

790
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 5: coming from a small school that wasn't really a football school,

791
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Speaker 5: and he's really played well. The fact that he's even

792
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 5: the potential starter on uh on that side over elim

793
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Speaker 5: I think is pretty incredible and there's a real, uh uh,

794
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 5: what would you say, a real his commitment to playing,

795
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 5: you know, that he could take what he had from

796
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Speaker 5: college and go on the big stage and do really well,

797
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 5: do really well. I also had I was disagreed.

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Speaker 8: I have a.

799
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Speaker 5: Disagreement with March who called earlier. That was when I

800
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Speaker 5: first turned the radio on because I was in a

801
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Speaker 5: doctor's office leading the when she said, she said about

802
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 5: kind of staying marb and and then coach mc dermott

803
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 5: not being able to get them, you know, he couldn't

804
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 5: get them to the fourth super Bowl and win, and

805
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 5: that McDermott that she's identifying them as having problems, and

806
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 5: I think I think I disagree totally with merv. I

807
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 5: think the situation last year from mc dermott to me,

808
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 5: he if he didn't have this team in the in

809
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 5: the palm of his hand, they wouldn't have gotten through

810
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 5: the last half of their season. After I say, have

811
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 5: the last few games, he wouldn't have gotten them through.

812
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 5: They went through so much. This whole team went through

813
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 5: so much. And I think it's I think it's so

814
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 5: it's such a disqualifier to blame everything on him when

815
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Speaker 5: he really was dealing with a very different side of

816
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 5: football in the players and their emotions. I just I

817
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 5: think he is wonderful. I think he's wonderful, and I

818
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 5: think I think that criticisms directed to him and when

819
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 5: they talk about he's on the hot seat and stuff,

820
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Speaker 5: I think that's a lot of garbage. I think that's

821
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Speaker 5: a lot of garbage.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Maureen, we appreciate the thought thanks you for the

823
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Speaker 2: phone call.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody mentioned anything about Sean McDermott

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00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: being in a precarious position as head coach.

826
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Speaker 2: Of the Bills, but that talk had been out there

827
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Speaker 2: earlier this ye season. I think that's what she means.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that's a real thing, and I

829
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Speaker 1: would agree with what you said. I Shaq Lawson is

830
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: a is a guy who has come back after leaving,

831
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Speaker 1: and he came back and he has played at a

832
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: level that that's been good. I mean no question about it.

833
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 1: He's part of the reason the defensive line of this club.

834
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: There may be ten guys kept or maybe eleven guys kept.

835
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: Andy Isobella we talked about in the last segment as well.

836
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Speaker 1: He is a guy who has caught a lot of

837
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: people's eyes. So and Christian Benford same thing. Has continued

838
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: to impress. Started the game in Chicago and played extremely well,

839
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Speaker 1: had a couple of passes defense. I wouldn't be surprised

840
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Speaker 1: all four of those guys. We spoke with Brandon Bean

841
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: in a production meeting and before the game and all

842
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: of that. I think they really really like how deep

843
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: they are at corner outside Corner, outside corner, and they

844
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: love Taron Johnson. Aaron Johnson may be the best nickelback

845
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: in the league. So they love where they're at with

846
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: their corner at with their depth at corner, and so

847
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any issue with thinking that Tredavious White,

848
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Speaker 1: Christian Benford, Dane Jackson, Kyrie Elam, Taron Johnson, they love

849
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: those guys, and I think all five of them are

850
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: going to be here for them as long as they

851
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: can keep them here.

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00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: Was very telling to see Christian Benford get the start

853
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: in the final preseason game. Now he played very well

854
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh and then earns his start over Dane Jackson,

855
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: who in many respects appeared to be the leader in

856
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 2: the clubhouse coming into this final preseason game. But there

857
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 2: is indication now just based on that start, and then

858
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: he played well in that start. As you pointed out, Steve,

859
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 2: he may pull ahead of him here down the stretch

860
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: and could very I think he's in contention to be

861
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 2: the starting corner. I do not think Kyrie Elam, though,

862
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: is part of that equation. I think he's on the

863
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: outside looking in. If you asked me to stagger those

864
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: guys one two, three in the competition in terms of

865
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 2: where they are right now. I think it's Benford, Jackson,

866
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: Elam in that order. And that's not to say that

867
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: Elom can't step in and start for you and be

868
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: a damn good, capable starting corner. I think he could,

869
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 2: and it wouldn't surprise me if he is later in

870
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: the season.

871
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about this before, but it's a real thing,

872
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: and now that I'm thinking about it. There's a lot

873
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: of every position. They all have these groups of people

874
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: who evaluate these players. And we said it on our

875
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 1: broadcast and Brandon told us, every one of these players,

876
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: all ninety of these guys and the ones that they've

877
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: already released, are the center of a very thoughtful conversation.

878
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: The staff, their position coach, the coordinator, the head coach,

879
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: the scout who brought him into the organization, everybody who's

880
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: involved with that guy's opportunity here with the Buffalo Bills.

881
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: They have a sit down conversation about that guy. What's

882
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: it like, how's he done, what's his problem? What is

883
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: his good points? What has he really done well? What

884
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: would we like to see more of the whole thing,

885
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: from top to bottom, soup to nuts and What you

886
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: forget about is that even in those in those rooms,

887
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: there's disagreements, like, I don't know I would put him,

888
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: I would put this guy above this other guy. I

889
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: have this, I have him opposite of the way you

890
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: have him. I think this is d da da da.

891
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of that going on, particularly

892
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: at this time of year. And I wouldn't be surprised

893
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: if Benford and Elam and even Trey White and Dan

894
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: Jackson and Tarren Johnson are all kind of part of

895
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: that conversation. They like all of these guys, So how

896
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: if they like all of them?

897
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 2: You know, they're all gonna play.

898
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: They're all gonna play. And there's guys in there say,

899
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: you know what, I kind of like this guy better.

900
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: I wish he was playing. I like the guy that's playing.

901
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: Think about it this way, but I wish they were switched,

902
00:49:59,160 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

903
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: Be given weeks where you've got an opponent and your

904
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: game plan is we got to lock down this number

905
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: one receiver the whole game. Kyrie Elam is our best

906
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 2: man to man cover guy. He's gonna start this week right,

907
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 2: We're just gonna have him follow that guy all over

908
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: the field, like a week like that could happen, and

909
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 2: then so and so somebody's got to be out, whether

910
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: it's you know, if Benford wins the starting job, or

911
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: maybe it's Trey like and I could be any one

912
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: of those kind of combinations in a given week. If

913
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: a game plan fits a certain guy's skill set better

914
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 2: than somebody.

915
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: Else's, right, And I don't know that they'd love doing

916
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: that because you want a guy that you can depend on.

917
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: But I'll say that you get an extra benefit when

918
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: you do do that because the guy it happened to

919
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: me on special teams. But you go out there, you're

920
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: gonna rush the punt or do or whatever. It's like

921
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: you look across and you know you study film. I've

922
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: seen every punt you guys have hit all year, and

923
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rush the punter. I get out there like

924
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm looking across, like I go, who are you? They

925
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: switched it up on me? So you get a little

926
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: bit of that as a wide receiver coming out and

927
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: you get this guy out there's like, who the heck?

928
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: Why is why is Elim playing here and not Benford?

929
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: I was I watched a whole month of film on

930
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: Benford and I don't even see the guy. You get

931
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: a little bit of that going on, But it's all

932
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: about skill sets. And you're right, Brownie. If they see

933
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: a matchup and I don't know that the matchup would

934
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: be it, but certainly the scheme would be different. You're

935
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: gonna have a scheme that fits one guy better than

936
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: another or a game plan.

937
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but just think about a given week. You know

938
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: I could if you could put you know, if you

939
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 2: believe Kayrieam's your best man to man cover corner and

940
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: you want to lock somebody down, Like, let's just I'm

941
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 2: just this is hypothetical. Let's just say that the Bills

942
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 2: staff says, let's lock down Garrett Wilson with our best

943
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 2: man to man cover guy, and that's Elim. I'm not

944
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: saying this is gonna happen. I'm just hypothetical. And they say,

945
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 2: let's lock him down. Or let's just look look at

946
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 2: the Vikings game last year. We want to lock down

947
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson. We're gonna put Elim on him the whole game.

948
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 2: He's just gonna follow him all over the field. He's

949
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: our best man to man cover guy. Now you could

950
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: put Trey White on their second best guy, Like, think

951
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: about that, right, that's right, think about how advantageous that is.

952
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: That's exactly right.

953
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: And and that's why I think something like that is

954
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: a possibility in a given week.

955
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: Or you could do yes and there's different and they yes,

956
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of strategies like that. And you could

957
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 1: even say, listen, our best man guy. What we're gonna

958
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: do is wherever Justin Jefferson goes, we're having two guys

959
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: on him constantly, and Kyrie Elam is taking their number two,

960
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: who's not as good. That guy disappears that guy, They're

961
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: not even gonna look for that guy. So we're gonna

962
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: double team their top guy, put our best man guy

963
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: on their second guy. Let's see what you can do

964
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: with that, you know, and that bracket, those kind of

965
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: those kind of strategies you can and you can switch

966
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: it up too, but it's all that's on the table.

967
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 1: And I and I'm you know, I get this. You

968
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: don't know how it's gonna go, but I know they

969
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 1: really like their corners.

970
00:52:58,840 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: Not a bad problem.

971
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: It's not a bad problem. And so and I think

972
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: I think their problem is, now that I think about it,

973
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: I think their problem might very well be, but they

974
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: disagree with each.

975
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: Other, you know what I mean, and maybe to a

976
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: certain extent, keeping all four of them engaged too, because

977
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 2: if all four of them are good enough to play,

978
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 2: you want to kind of dangle the carrot like, hey,

979
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 2: you might be playing this week, like you might, you

980
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 2: might get forty snaps even though you only got fifteen

981
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 2: last week, you know what I mean. And that kind

982
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: of keeps all four engaged too.

983
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: And you also, and the way they do that too

984
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: is we got a break here. Yeah, sorry, Yeah. That

985
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: The way they do that is you just be honest

986
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: with them. Yeah, you say, hey, listen, I love you,

987
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: we love you, We love him too. We want you

988
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: both to play, but we're having a really hard time.

989
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: It's all about how you practice. Yeah, So you know,

990
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: go win our heart. You know, we got to take

991
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: a break here. Shack laws And was mentioned as a

992
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: guy deserving of a roster spot.

993
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 2: Could his foster spot be predicated on the decision made

994
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: on Von Miller. We will explore that when we return,

995
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: plus morerior phone calls Ron in California, Doug and Tonawanda,

996
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: hang tight, you'll lead us after the break here. On

997
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live stay tuned.

998
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live presented by Callida Health.

999
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 2: Back here on One Bill's Live on a Monday, Chris Brown,

1000
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,959
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you hour number two, and we're gonna

1001
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 2: get right back to the phone because we're asking you

1002
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: which player on this Bill's roster is convinced you they

1003
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: deserve a spot on the fifty three man squad when

1004
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: decisions are finalized tomorrow at four pm. Back to the

1005
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 2: phones into Ron and California to lead us off.

1006
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: What do you got, Ron?

1007
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 8: Yes, A great show?

1008
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: Thanks?

1009
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 9: Yes. I I'm very optimistic whoever makes this team. I

1010
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 9: trust in the staff, you know. I'd like to ask

1011
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 9: a question, uh I, I'm asking what what's wrong with

1012
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 9: a design screenplay? Like you know how Josh Allen is

1013
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 9: determined to boot leg out and then throw across the field.

1014
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 9: Why risk everything? You know, pulling a hamstring thrown across

1015
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 9: the field? Interception? I love the guy, I love their

1016
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 9: love that play too, But what's wrong with having a

1017
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 9: design play to throw it over the line to someone

1018
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 9: that's you know, can get it and run with it,

1019
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 9: you know? I mean it's been used against us for

1020
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 9: years and I see a lot of especially in the

1021
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 9: NFL defenses are rushing quarterbacks. And I see it with

1022
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 9: the Jets coming, and I see it with Kansas City

1023
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 9: have a design play yeah, to throw them up, And

1024
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 9: I don't see it enough with the Bills, And can

1025
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 9: you can you explain why? I don't know why I've

1026
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 9: been with Ken Dorsey. I hope he puts that in.

1027
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: You know, here's and I'll say this, Ron, you are

1028
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: you're echoing a question we have fielded since twenty twenty nineteen.

1029
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 1: They haven't been They haven't been an effective screen pass team,

1030
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: at least the traditional screen pass that you're referring to.

1031
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: I think the one where joshtross back the rush gets

1032
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: in on and it looks like, oh my gosh, it's

1033
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: a bad play, and then all of a sudden it's

1034
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: a screen pass. You didn't get to the back and

1035
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: the offensive line is in front of him and they

1036
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 1: roll rumble down the field. That kind of screen pass,

1037
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: I think is the one you're talking about, the one

1038
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: that Chicago ran against the Bills on a number of

1039
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: occasions this last Saturday that caught the Bills for some

1040
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: nice plays.

1041
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: Bills have run more than a handful of them through

1042
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 2: the course of the preseason.

1043
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: They have run them, and they've gotten penalties on almost

1044
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: all of them. You got a block in the back

1045
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: against Pittsburgh if he calls, no question, another block in

1046
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: the back Saturday. Coordinators tend to stay away from plays

1047
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: that don't work good, and the Bills haven't run enough

1048
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: of those screens that have been successful for any of

1049
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator or any of their offensive staff to

1050
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: really feel like, hey, that's our go to. And I

1051
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: made the point before as well. Sometimes screen passes don't

1052
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: work well against quarterbacks like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson

1053
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: because the defense of linemen are rushing the passer in

1054
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: a way that is a little bit different than other

1055
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: teams rush the passer when it's than the Bills rush

1056
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: passers because they rush the Josh Allen, they rush Lamar Jackson.

1057
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: They rush these guys in a way that's going to

1058
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: keep them in the pocket because they don't want them

1059
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: to run right. So it for some reason in my opinion,

1060
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: that gives the Bills that makes defenses less susceptible to

1061
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: those kind of plays than other quarterbacks. That's my assertion,

1062
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: other than that the Bills stink when they try and

1063
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: run screens lately and well not lately, the last since

1064
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and I don't I have, Josh, I don't know,

1065
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: but we've it's been an ongoing conversation throughout.

1066
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 2: I will say that they have run some receiver screens

1067
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 2: with a better measure of success through the course of

1068
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 2: the preseason. There have been that's been diveraging signs in

1069
00:58:59,600 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: that area.

1070
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: That's been a a different play. But yes, you're you're

1071
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: exactly right, brownie.

1072
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 2: But yes, the traditional one for some reason has been

1073
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:12,919
Speaker 2: a heavy lift with different offensive line players involved over

1074
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 2: the last few years. So it may just be something

1075
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: they can't get a firm grasp on. So it's on

1076
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator to find other ways to utilize the

1077
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 2: strength of those players to make productive plays when a

1078
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 2: rush is presenting a problem and you need to have

1079
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 2: a countermeasure off of it to still get yards for

1080
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: your offense to stay on the field and more importantly,

1081
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 2: score touchdowns. Back to the phones and to Doug in Tonawanda,

1082
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 2: what do you got for us?

1083
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 3: Doug, thanks guys for having me on. I really like

1084
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 3: cam Lewis answer on Neil. I know it's going to

1085
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 3: be a tough numbers game. You guys were talking about

1086
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 3: the secondary earlier, but I wish they could keep both

1087
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 3: those guys, maybe even practice squad. I think they're good

1088
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 3: on special teams as well. Just what your thoughts.

1089
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Saraan Neil is too valuable on special

1090
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 2: teams to consider lopping off this roster, so I would

1091
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 2: anticipate he is on. And I think cam Lewis has

1092
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 2: had the best training camp in pre season of his

1093
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: professional career, just the way he is able to seamlessly

1094
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 2: move back and forth between safety and nickel corner. As

1095
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, he's ahead of Saran Neil at

1096
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: the nickel corner spot. On the depth chart, they have

1097
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 2: him listed right behind Taron Johnson, So I think there's

1098
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 2: a very good chance both are on the roster.

1099
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, yeah, I would agree. It's you always keep

1100
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of defensive backs, and once you get past

1101
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: like what we've been talking about, the top four corners

1102
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: were actually five corners with Taron Johnson. You get by

1103
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: those five corners, and you get by the two safeties

1104
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: of the four front four safeties, it becomes well the

1105
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: safeties and the backup corners. It becomes a race to

1106
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: contribute both as a safety and as a corner. All

1107
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: the you know, all those guys that just played corner,

1108
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: I get it, all those guys that just play safety.

1109
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: Once you get out of that starting rotation, it's about

1110
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: playing safety and corner and being able to get through

1111
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: a game because if somebody tweaks a hamstring or whatever whatever,

1112
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: you can play down and distance, but also play special teams.

1113
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: But whether it's a corner or safety, you can get

1114
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: plugged in at least as a backup the next backup

1115
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: to that spot. If it's a safety, awesome, no problem.

1116
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: If it's a corner, yeah, move up there. You're that

1117
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: guy that gives you huge flexibility because now you've got

1118
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff covered with fewer bodies. So cam

1119
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: lewis saran Neil. Saran Neil's a phenomenal athlete, so he's

1120
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: athletically able to do all of that stuff. They'd feel

1121
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: fine with him going in at nickel corner or at

1122
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: outside corner even because he's got the athleticisms and he's

1123
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: yeah he's got one. Yeah, he's like a physicality out there.

1124
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: So a player like that are Invalua. Players like that

1125
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: are invaluable because it's not just you know, sticking play

1126
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: corner and out and now you play specialty. It's about corner.

1127
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: And then also something happened. He's safety, and he's a nickel,

1128
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: and he's the outside corner. He's a boundary corner.

1129
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:09,919
Speaker 2: Right, that's Cam.

1130
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: So those guys, you're right, those guys Cam Lewis and

1131
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: and Saran Neil are invaluable and have proven themselves to

1132
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: be over the years. Not only there's contributions on special teams,

1133
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: particularly in Saran's case, but their ability to play everywhere.

1134
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: I mean, Saran Neil go in there, play and play

1135
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: for Matt Milano in a pinch, you know what I mean.

1136
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 2: So, and he's an a special team Yeah.

1137
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: And the guy is a The guy's an absolute beast.

1138
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 2: Just signed a three year extension last year.

1139
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: He's an absolute beast.

1140
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 2: And Sam as Cam. To Steve's point, you dress him

1141
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 2: on Sunday primarily to play special teams. But God forbid,

1142
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 2: Taren Johnson goes down with an injury. Bang, Cam Lewis

1143
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 2: can step in there. You have some safety, you know,

1144
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 2: go down, all right, Taylor rap on the field first.

1145
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 2: What if the other safety gets nick Bang?

1146
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: Anybody, anybody in the back half of your defense. Somebody

1147
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: gets don't matter. Cam can play, Yeah, put him in.

1148
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: That's that's the beauty of those two guys. And and

1149
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: you know Doug's right from ton of One is right though.

1150
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: There they're the Swiss Army knife man. You need, you

1151
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: got a problem, They got a little thing.

1152
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 2: Those guys are valuable. They're to John and Hamburg. Next

1153
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 2: we got John.

1154
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 10: I panicked by reading the Buffalo News rag today and

1155
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 10: Doug just stole my question. Uh I I was afraid

1156
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 10: that somebody forgot about Cam Lewis, not us. I know

1157
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 10: that now, I know that, So I'm I'm I'm panicking,

1158
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 10: and I'm not going to read any more of the

1159
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 10: Buffalo News.

1160
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 8: All right, go Cam.

1161
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 6: Okay, he's a favorite of Cam and.

1162
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 2: You be all right, Yeah, I mean, look, cam Lewis,

1163
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 2: he's probably like, there's a little Levi Wallace to him.

1164
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,040
Speaker 2: I think he's better athlete than Levi Wallace. Personally, I

1165
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 2: think he plays with a more physical style than even

1166
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 2: Levi Wallace did. But the point that the parallel I'm

1167
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 2: drawing to Levi Wallace is this cam Lewis was also

1168
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 2: an undrafted rookie. This is fourth season in Buffalo. They

1169
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 2: can't get rid of him. He's too versatile and he's athletic.

1170
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 2: He's not a big player, but he plays bigger than

1171
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 2: his size. I mean, you see him step up in

1172
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 2: that run support last week and drill that two hundred

1173
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 2: pounds back. I mean, he's given up fifteen pounds to

1174
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 2: that guy and he stopped him like a bad habit.

1175
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's yeah, And I like your analogy to Levi Wallace.

1176
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace is one of those guys they try to

1177
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: replace him every year.

1178
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 7: Now.

1179
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: Cam Lewis isn't a starter, hasn't been a regular starter.

1180
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: He's had spot stars, but he's hard to get off

1181
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: the roster because of his versatility and his ability to

1182
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: play at a certain level at a bunch of different spots.

1183
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: He may not be all world or all pro at

1184
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: any spot, but man oh man, the dude can fill

1185
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: in everywhere and and not and you won't worry about it.

1186
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: He's going to be in the right spot. He's gonna

1187
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: have the right responsibility and even if he can't cover

1188
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: the guy, at least he's gonna know that's the guy

1189
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: he's supposed to cover. And he's gonna be in the area,

1190
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So, uh, and he's better

1191
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: than that analogy. He's just he's a good football player.

1192
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 2: So I it.

1193
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: Would be tough for me to pick a guy in

1194
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: the room that has the versatility and the trust that

1195
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: kam Lewis does. You know what I mean. I mean,

1196
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: there may be a guy and if they if it happens,

1197
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: the cam Lewis would were not to make this roster.

1198
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: Somebody in that room had to do what he has

1199
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: done and do it better. We'll see if that had

1200
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, I would anticipate cam Lewis being a

1201
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: part of the team.

1202
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. To Jim in Lockport, next.

1203
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 8: What do you got, Jim, Well, I don't know why

1204
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 8: the screen game doesn't work to perfection. You got Josh

1205
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 8: throwing the long ball, You take it. If that's not there,

1206
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 8: tump it down with a quick screen and off they

1207
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 8: go to the race. So I'm confused about why it's

1208
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 8: not working.

1209
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the thing. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, I couldn't

1210
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: tell you why it doesn't work. Well, I'll say this though,

1211
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: and we've been talking about this for a long time now.

1212
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: This whole offseason. One of the reasons Brownie and I

1213
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: both wish Josh would take the check down more. And

1214
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: you're talking about dropping back and throwing the deep ball,

1215
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: and if it's not there throwing the screen, you're not

1216
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: throwing the deep ball on the screen. The screen passes

1217
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: a screen pass, you're gonna throw the screen pass. I

1218
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: wish Josh would take more checkdown throws. I wish you

1219
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: would have done it a lot more last year than

1220
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: he did. Josh is so good. He has such confidence.

1221
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: He can make throws nobody else can make, which leads

1222
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: to a problem that means he's gonna try throws nobody

1223
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: else would even try. You rarely complete sixty eight or

1224
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: seventy percent of those passes. So for me and Brownie,

1225
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: Brownie calls him easy button throws, I call him, just

1226
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: check it out, man, check it down. Those are as

1227
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: good as any screen pass you can name. We have

1228
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,959
Speaker 1: seen it time and time again on film where Josh

1229
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: is trying to wait on a play down the field, wait, wait,

1230
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: and if you just get rid of it real quick

1231
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,919
Speaker 1: to James Cook or last year, to Devin Singletary or whatever.

1232
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: There were times when those guys were absolutely forgotten about

1233
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: by the defense, and if you just take it, it

1234
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: would turn into a fifteen twenty maybe a bigger play,

1235
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: just because the guy catches it and nobody's guarding him.

1236
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: It happened more than once last year, and Josh was

1237
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 1: forever looking down the field, I think, and I'd never

1238
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: I have trouble con criticizing the guy with the ball

1239
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: in his hands, because he does what he feels right always.

1240
01:07:56,520 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: But that's on that's Josh being Josh. That's not Ken

1241
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: Dorsey being deficient, or the receiver's being deficient, or the

1242
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: back's not being good enough, or even the offensive line

1243
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: not being good enough. That's Josh being Josh. That's one

1244
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: of the reasons we love it, because he's gonna make

1245
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: throws nobody else makes. I think Josh needs to make

1246
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: it easier on himself. And sometimes for a guy who's

1247
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: trying to compete at a thousand miles per hour, it's

1248
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 1: tough for him to take a five mile per hour checkdown.

1249
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: So it just seemed, literally it seems too easy. It really,

1250
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 1: it literally seems too easy. Another one. If I can

1251
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: get five yards here, I'm gonna take ten over here

1252
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And I think that's Josh more than

1253
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 1: it is Ken Dorsey more than it is the guy's

1254
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: around him, even the offensive line, And da da da dah,

1255
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: that's Josh. That's the way he plays, that's the way

1256
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: he is. There's always a chance in one game he's

1257
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 1: gonna do it. He'll take the check down, he'll do

1258
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 1: that and all that, and it'll it'll change things for him.

1259
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: But for me, by and large, that's that's on Josh.

1260
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: And I don't have a problem with it because these

1261
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 1: guys there ain't much wrong with it, you know, well,

1262
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: there's not much wrong with it.

1263
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 2: I mean, you're people can say, hey, you know, if

1264
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:16,560
Speaker 2: you're this good on offense, you should be able to

1265
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 2: run everything. Well maybe not. We'll see. It might get

1266
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 2: better as the season goes on, you never know. And

1267
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 2: there are a multitude of different kinds of screens that

1268
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 2: you can run. You know, as we mentioned, they're doing

1269
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 2: better with at least in my opinion, with the wide

1270
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 2: receiver screens because you have bigger receivers out there. Now,

1271
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 2: she got Sherfield and Davis out there blocking in front

1272
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 2: of guys like Deontay Hardy or sometimes you can split

1273
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 2: James Cook out there and run a screen that way,

1274
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 2: put them out in space already and then just get

1275
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 2: receivers blocking in front of them and do it that way.

1276
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 2: There are ways around the traditional screen that can work.

1277
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 2: You run slip screens, I mean, there's a you run

1278
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 2: tight end screen like. There's a whole multitude of options

1279
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 2: at Ken Dorsey's disposed, and it's his responsibility to gravitate

1280
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 2: towards the things they do best. I mean, it's common sense.

1281
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 2: Don't keep trying to put a square peg in a

1282
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 2: round hole. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. I

1283
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 2: mean you want to revisit it later on in the

1284
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 2: season when maybe you feel like your offensive linemen have

1285
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Speaker 2: a better rapport with one another, know whing you have

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Speaker 2: upwards of you know, two new guys at the guard spots. Fine,

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Speaker 2: but for now, do what's working the best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say this too. I haven't had a chance.

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Speaker 1: I didn't really do this comprehensively, but it's hard to imagine.

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Speaker 1: But there was a lot of angst going into last

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Speaker 1: year about Ken Dorsey taking over for Brian Dable. Is

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Speaker 1: it gonna do? How's it gonna go?

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Speaker 5: Is?

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Speaker 1: Statistically they were better. They were better with Ken Dorsey

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01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: than they were with Brian Dable. Now, I like Brian Dable.

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Speaker 1: He's a friend of mine and I was sorry to

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Speaker 1: see him leave, and he's a great coach and a

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Speaker 1: great But Ken Dorsey, I mean, good grief. Ken Dorsey

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Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. He did a really nice job

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01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: last year under tough circumstances because he had to do

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01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: what he did last year statistically, not to get crushed,

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01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: but statistically that offense was better than it was the

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01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: year before under Brian day Ball in his fourth year

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01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 1: with Josh, So I mean it's in. They're in good

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01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: hands and they know not only they don't not only

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01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 1: know how to draw up a screen pass, if they

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Speaker 1: also know how, they also know that if they got

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01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: a quarterback that doesn't like him or done run well,

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01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: or wants to do something else, they're gonna do something else.

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Speaker 1: But I'll say it again, we always tend to nitpick

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01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: in the offseason, and even at this point we were

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01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: about to on the cusp of a brand new season,

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01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 1: think about what was wrong last year? Listen, there wasn't

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01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 1: too much wrong last year. Not with this offense. There wasn't.

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01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 1: It's not broken, So I get let's get some like

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01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 1: we got some fun new players. James Cook's gonna step in,

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01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: Kincaid Surefield, Hardy Isabella. That's not to mention one of

1318
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: the elite wide receivers in the league. And Steph Diggs

1319
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: and Gabe Davis healthy. I mean, there's a lot to

1320
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,719
Speaker 1: be excited about here. And Ken Dorsey is no reason

1321
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 1: and his ability to run a screen pass is no

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01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 1: reason to even wonder how good this offense is gonna be. Yeah,

1323
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 1: everybody always you know, you get it too. Everybody's they

1324
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 1: asked me in private and all my buddies how they

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01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: how they look, And I'm telling you they're gonna they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna be good, maybe even better than last year.

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Speaker 1: Maybe.

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Speaker 2: Uh, we are going to take a break here. We

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01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 2: still have to revisit the von Miller situation because that

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Speaker 2: is a decision that the Bills are gonna have to

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Speaker 2: make by tomorrow. As well. Concerning his active pup designation,

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Speaker 2: we'll tell you all the particulars as we transition to

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Speaker 2: the regular season and what that designation would mean if

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Speaker 2: he remains on the pup list. We'll explain when we

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Speaker 2: return here on one Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, welcome back here on

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Speaker 2: a Monday edition of One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve

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01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,560
Speaker 2: Tasker with you, and we wanted to lay out a

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Speaker 2: little bit of the decision making that has to happen

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Speaker 2: concerning von Miller. Based on all the indications the team

1342
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 2: is providing. Von Miller, week one is still a consideration.

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01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 2: Their meeting with all parties involved today to make this

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01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 2: decision now as to what to do concerning week one

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Speaker 2: for Vaughn and beyond. Basically, the medical team, the coaching staff,

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01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 2: the personnel department, probably Vaughn himself, and they're going to

1347
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 2: weigh any and all options concerning his rehabilitation from the

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01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 2: partially torn ACL which required surgery after he suffered the

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01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 2: injury last Thanksgiving, and the options are pretty cut and dry.

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01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 2: He's currently on active pup. He counts towards a roster spot,

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01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 2: so he is one of the ninety right now or

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01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 2: with the seven cut, one of the eighty three. So

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01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,600
Speaker 2: if they choose to keep him on pup for the

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01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 2: start of the regular season, that means he will miss

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Speaker 2: the first four games of the season. And not be

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01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 2: able to practice with his teammates. Now, are we really

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01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,919
Speaker 2: all that concerned about a thirteen year veteran not practicing

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01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 2: with his team and ramping up on his own to

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Speaker 2: get ready for regular season football. Probably not.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a little there's a little bit in that.

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Speaker 1: I said this too when we were talking about getting

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Speaker 1: Vaughn ready. And remember back when week one was wet

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01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: toal week one isn't a possibility.

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Speaker 5: But.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a consideration right now today, right I

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01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 1: said at the time, we're gonna know when von Miller's

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01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 1: going to be right because we're going to see him

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Speaker 1: ramp up. Now he was in uniform and it had

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Speaker 1: help all this, So it's a step forward. Last week,

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Speaker 1: late last week, I would imagine that was a benchmark

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Speaker 1: where they said, Okay, the last preseason game, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have a little bit of an extra workout. We're gonna

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01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 1: list see what you let and then we'll see how

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Speaker 1: that goes. Now today they will probably have a conversations

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01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: about all right, what about it? And it has been

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01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 1: the practice of this administration to take the player's feelings

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Speaker 1: into account about how they feel, where they're at.

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Speaker 2: They're also responsible for protecting the player from the.

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Speaker 1: Player exactly exactly. That's I think in this case, that's

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Speaker 1: more about what will happen than we did when we

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01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: saw with Tredevius White. Tradavious, it took him a while

1382
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 1: to get comfortable playing as you would imagine playing corner

1383
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and they took it extremely slow.

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Speaker 2: With Tradaevius put him on pup at the beginning season.

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Speaker 1: And so Vaughn, I think, is a different cat. And

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Speaker 1: I think they might be saying, well, woa, von hold up,

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01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: let's just do this here first, and then let's do this,

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Speaker 1: you know. So I think Vaughn they will have to

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01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: throttle it back rather than sit back and watch him,

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Speaker 1: you know, go walk through this himself. I think I

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Speaker 1: think Vaughn's a different cat than tra Davius was, is

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think he handles it differently. Right,

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Speaker 1: We've seen that even in our own because you know,

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Speaker 1: Todavius seemed like last year, in the last weeks of

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Speaker 1: his rehab and getting back on the field, Todavis and

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01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 1: he and this was kind of the way he did

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Speaker 1: it and the way he felt tra Davis was like

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01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: a lone wolf out there. He was all by him,

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Speaker 1: he was off by himself, and he seemed like he

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01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 1: was a little bit disconnected from everything was going because

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01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: he was trying to get you know, it was all

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01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 1: about his knee, trying to get red and get himself

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01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 1: right and get out Vaughn. We've been told Vn is

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01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 1: in the meetings talking to D guys D Line saying, hey,

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01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 1: Rush like this, what do you think about this? And

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01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: when they show you that, he is like totally get

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01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 1: like a coach. He is like neck deep in it

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01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 1: right now and he's not even on the field practicing.

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01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: So it's a different vibe with Vaughn's finishing up Vaughn's

1410
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:18,640
Speaker 1: rehab than it was finishing up Tredavius's rehab. And that's

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Speaker 1: just the two guys and who they are. To me,

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01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 1: that changes the end product, you know what I mean.

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01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 1: I still think that we don't know. What's your gut.

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Speaker 1: My gut tells me Vaughn is not going on the pup.

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01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 1: You don't think he is, that's my gut. But he may.

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Speaker 2: I mean, here's why I come down on this. I

1417
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 2: think he is close, but I think with all the

1418
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 2: talent that they have at the defensive end position right now.

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Speaker 1: You think they feel good going in the season, I

1420
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 1: think they do. I get it.

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01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 2: They got three sacks in each of the first two

1422
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 2: preseason games. You know, some of the younger players are

1423
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 2: stepping up. You have Leonard Floyd as your veteran leader,

1424
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 2: you know, with proven production, who demands attention. So and

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01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 2: here's the other part. This is a this is a

1426
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 2: month to carry an extra guy who can play fifty

1427
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 2: snaps for you right now every week. So whether that's

1428
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 2: Shaq Lawson or Kingsley Jonathan who looked very impressive again

1429
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 2: last week, and to me, he's on my roster.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Kingsley Jonathan made a nice pass

1431
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:50,759
Speaker 1: rush when field Justin Fields was on the on still playing.

1432
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 1: Kingsley Jonathan made a stiff arm bull rush spin move

1433
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: that was dynamite. He didn't get there, But and think.

1434
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 2: About the sack he had last week. He beats the

1435
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 2: guy off the corner and then flattens out across the

1436
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 2: formation and drags the guy down from behind. I mean

1437
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 2: that is high level stuff there for a young player,

1438
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 2: and it's potential that's not going to be ignored by

1439
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 2: the rest of the league he had. I think he

1440
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 2: has to make the roster. He is not clearing way

1441
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 2: he's not. Yeah, he's not going anywhere.

1442
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 1: You're right. They may they may buy him that way,

1443
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 1: they might buy themselves a month of trade talks. You

1444
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Well, not even that.

1445
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 2: I think it's about if we have von as a

1446
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 2: guy on the fifty three man roster now instead of

1447
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 2: pup for a month, that robs us of the ability

1448
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 2: to put a guy on there that can help us

1449
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 2: right now and play thirty forty to fifty snaps, whatever

1450
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 2: the number is.

1451
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 1: Nobody plays that many, but thirty forty fifty percent of

1452
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:47,520
Speaker 1: the snaps.

1453
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 2: And rotate through Rose through. To me, I think they're

1454
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 2: looking at probably carrying five ends, maybe six. Put Vaughn

1455
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 2: on the pup and let him get completely ready, and

1456
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 2: you know, if he's good by week two, all right,

1457
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 2: he still has to ramp up those last two weeks

1458
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 2: to get ready for regular season football, because he's not

1459
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 2: doing that right now. If he's we haven't seen him

1460
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 2: out there on the practice field doing that stuff.

1461
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 1: But if he's on pup, he can't practice, not with

1462
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:20,679
Speaker 1: the team, with the team.

1463
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 2: But I think a thirteen year vet knows how to

1464
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:25,799
Speaker 2: ramp himself up to get ready for regular season football.

1465
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 2: So two weeks finish what you got to finish with

1466
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 2: strength and conditioning, and then week three and week four

1467
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 2: ramp up to play regular season football. And then week

1468
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 2: five you're off the pup. You're on the roster, and

1469
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 2: then you make a different decision and somebody could be

1470
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 2: hurt by then, and it doesn't.

1471
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Speaker 1: Matter coming in off. But I'll say this, coming in off,

1472
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 1: being away from practice and coming in in week four

1473
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 1: week five is not going to be all that great.

1474
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: He's gonna get to take what ten snaps, you know

1475
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 1: what I mean. I think if you don't put him

1476
01:20:55,760 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 1: on pup, you might be having meaningful snaps from him

1477
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 1: in week two, three, and by week four he's on

1478
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: the field doing it. You know what I'm saying is

1479
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 1: that that's the gap we're talking about. You're talking about

1480
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,759
Speaker 1: a couple of extra preseason or extra regular season games

1481
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: where he might be a force, and you got to

1482
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 1: think is that worth it to hurry him along with

1483
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: a pup or whatever whatever whatever with Kingsley, Jonathan and

1484
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 1: all that that, because you only got so much room

1485
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:26,759
Speaker 1: on game day anyway, you can't have eleven guys active

1486
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 1: on game day, right, So that's that's really the question.

1487
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 1: How you know you always ask to prognosticate about the future,

1488
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: and there's really no way to do it. How do

1489
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 1: you know when he's going to be one hundred percent

1490
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 1: and be able to go one hundred percent because he's

1491
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: ready to go, because he's ramped.

1492
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 2: Up, right and as excited as everybody is about this

1493
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 2: season opener and the fact that it's a division game

1494
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 2: and all of that. I keep coming back to what

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01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 2: the Bills said from the outset with this and wanting

1496
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 2: to play the long game and having him when the

1497
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 2: games are most important, and that is the postseason. So

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01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 2: in my mind, I think they're gonna slow play. This

1499
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 2: could be wrong. I think they're gonna slow play it.

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01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 2: I think he goes to PUP for the first four

1501
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 2: games are off the table, finishes up whatever he's got

1502
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 2: to finish up rehab wise week one, in week two,

1503
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 2: ramps up week three, and week four comes off PUP

1504
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 2: and let's go. That's just my hypothesis. And like I said,

1505
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 2: I could be dead wrong. Maybe Vaughn is more ready

1506
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 2: than any of us remotely realize, but just kind of

1507
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 2: trying to read the tea leaves as best I can.

1508
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 2: That's kind of how I feel it's gonna go because

1509
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 2: it affords them the opportunity to carry another defensive end

1510
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 2: who can help them right now. You avoid any risk

1511
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 2: of a waiver process or exposing somebody that maybe you'd

1512
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 2: prefer not to, and you can carry them on your

1513
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 2: roster for the first month and then figure it out.

1514
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 2: Then when who knows, it's four weeks from now, you

1515
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 2: might have somebody else injured and on IR for four

1516
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 2: weeks and then Vonn just takes that guy spot.

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01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. The only here's what yeah, yeah, I mean, we're

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01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 1: it comes down to can Vaughan help you right now?

1519
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 1: Or how soon can he help you before the four

1520
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 1: weeks is up? And two I don't want von for

1521
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 1: ten ten snaps again, right? And two?

1522
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 2: Ready?

1523
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 1: Two is how deep is your roster? And you are

1524
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: you going to get benefit from that extra spot on

1525
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 1: the roster by you know, being able to keep a

1526
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 1: guy or whatever. I mean, how many are these guys

1527
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 1: going to be able to help you or what? And

1528
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: when and you know somebody gets hurt? Yeah okay maybe, yeah,

1529
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 1: I mean does it give you more flexibility or less.

1530
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 1: More flexibility with the guys you can keep on the roster, yeah,

1531
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 1: but less flexibility because if Vaughn gets healthy, when again,

1532
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:53,719
Speaker 1: you've got a Hall of Fame guy standing there watching

1533
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 1: with a clipboard, and that ain't you know? Nobody wants that.

1534
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 2: I mean, we talked about it last week. I think

1535
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:03,679
Speaker 2: this came. This team is keeping at least ten defensive linemen,

1536
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 2: maybe eleven, and that's not even counting Vaughan as part

1537
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 2: of my equation there.

1538
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 1: I'll say this, fat, I'm going to talk me out

1539
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 1: of it. Maybe fun should go on the on the

1540
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 1: pup if you can't play the long game. Yeah, and

1541
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 1: this team, that's what I keep coming back and I

1542
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 1: don't I don't care about the first month of the season.

1543
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 1: Give me the last two months of this season, when

1544
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 1: they're on an eight game winning streak, they're headed of

1545
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and they're working for a C playoff seed.

1546
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 1: Give me Vaughn. Then maybe that's the right way to go.

1547
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:33,600
Speaker 2: But I think that's how they look at it, and

1548
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 2: obviously they'll be debate back and forth, but I don't know,

1549
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 2: just I just feel it's trending that way. So, yeah,

1550
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 2: a little bit of interesting NFL news, Probably not all

1551
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,799
Speaker 2: that surprising. We know Kyler Murray suffered a torn acl

1552
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 2: midway through the season last year, and he was not

1553
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 2: expected to be ready at the start of this season.

1554
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 2: That in fact, is going to be the case. Reports

1555
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 2: now say Cardinals quarterback Murray will miss at least the

1556
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 2: first four games while he remains on the pup list.

1557
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 2: So he's going to remain on the pup list for

1558
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 2: the Cardinals, that according to NFL Networks in rapaport So

1559
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 2: that's where that stands. And I don't think that's terribly surprising.

1560
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody thought he would be playing at

1561
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 2: any point in time in the first month of the season,

1562
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 2: maybe even the first half of the season, from some

1563
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 2: of the things we had heard earlier in the summer

1564
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 2: on him. We're going to take a break here. When

1565
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 2: we come back, we'll get some final thoughts on the

1566
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:33,839
Speaker 2: tweet sheet in terms of which Bill's player has convinced

1567
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,719
Speaker 2: you they deserve a spot on the fifty three man roster.

1568
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 2: Those thoughts coming your way next here on One Bill's Live,

1569
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 2: presented by KLIDA Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All Right, back,

1570
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 2: here on one Bill's Live, Chris Brown Steve taskers some

1571
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 2: final thoughts on the tweet sheet concerning which Bills players

1572
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 2: convinced you they deserve a roster spot. I'm gonna run

1573
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:04,640
Speaker 2: down the list, Andrew says, Ty Johnson, who was an

1574
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 2: absolute beast, got my vote for a roster spot or

1575
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 2: a practice squad spot. Cobby says Ryan Vandermark is our

1576
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 2: most trustworthy non starting tackle. Connor says Darrenton Evans made

1577
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:19,520
Speaker 2: a major case for himself. On Saturday, Bill's News consolidated

1578
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 2: Andy Isabella because his stats this preseason lead the Bills

1579
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 2: in yards after catch. Garvey says Quintin Morris. He is

1580
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 2: a reliable pass catcher and blocker who can step up

1581
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 2: when needed. Numer says Saran Neil. Jamie says Benford, Torrence Neil,

1582
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 2: and Ryan Vandermark have done enough to either get a

1583
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,639
Speaker 2: starter roll or make them a certainty on the fifty three.

1584
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 2: JG says Kingsley. Jonathan Chris says Cam Lewis, So let's

1585
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 2: look at all those. Ty Johnson impressed me a few

1586
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 2: days with the press with the playbook. Guy brings he's

1587
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 2: a load man five ten two ten.

1588
01:26:56,080 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: Like say he finishes runs nice. I'm with you. It's

1589
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,640
Speaker 1: a guy. I think he understood the assignment, you know

1590
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 1: what I mean.

1591
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 2: I think I think he's a lock on the practice squat, right,

1592
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 2: you just get.

1593
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 1: On the plane. What they're going to give you the ball?

1594
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 1: What he got to do, and he understood what he

1595
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:13,759
Speaker 1: was asked to do. And I was that's there's always impressive.

1596
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think he unseats Damian Harris, who

1597
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 2: ran very well on Saturday as well, or Latavious Murray

1598
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,560
Speaker 2: who's had a monster preseason. But I think he's a

1599
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 2: strong consideration for practice squad first call up if you

1600
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 2: have an injury at that position.

1601
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 1: I think he's really intriguing.

1602
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 2: Yes, Ryan van Demark, has he done enough to be

1603
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:34,520
Speaker 2: the third tackle on this team to unseat David Quessenberry

1604
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 2: as the swing tackle? Because I think right now, unless

1605
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 2: a trade is made in they acquire an offensive tackle

1606
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 2: or pick up somebody off waivers that wasn't expected to

1607
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 2: get cut, he's at worst your fourth tackle, right Yeah?

1608
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 2: Does is he has he done enough to be the

1609
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 2: third tackle? You think? Well?

1610
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 1: I think I don't know that he's ahead. I don't

1611
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:53,839
Speaker 1: know if he's ahead of Kessenberry.

1612
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:54,440
Speaker 2: Wessenberry.

1613
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:58,640
Speaker 1: I think Questenberry has too much trust and built up

1614
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 1: too much cachet and likes, particularly early in the in

1615
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 1: the year. Now, maybe that goes away as the season

1616
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 1: rolls on. I don't think Alec Anderson is the answer.

1617
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 1: I think I think Alec Anderson is going to be

1618
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,759
Speaker 1: more and more an interior guy both guards and center

1619
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 1: and uh so you know, so we'll see. And I

1620
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 1: think that puts him in direct competition with a guy

1621
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 1: like Ryan Bates or I think Osiris Torres has kind

1622
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 1: of grabbed the guard spot. But I think Bates is

1623
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 1: still the guy. First guy in you want for Mitch Morris.

1624
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:29,480
Speaker 1: And also he's you know, he was in the conversation

1625
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 1: for guard as well. So you know, Alec Anderson is

1626
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 1: now on the bubble here. What do you what do

1627
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 1: you do with him?

1628
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 2: Darrnton Evans had a great performance on Saturday. Is it

1629
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 2: enough to get on the practice squad? We'll see. Quinton

1630
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 2: Morris is a lock on the roster. Don't worry about him.

1631
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 2: We'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: With all the news