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Speaker 1: We are, And yeah, it's a beautiful time of the
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you wake up, you get the research document the
Speaker 5: night before we come in here to the preview show,
Speaker 5: get lathered up. Not starting the day like Darren Rizzy did.
Speaker 5: We'll have to see if Darren Rizzy starts his game
Speaker 5: day in a similar fashion that he did in his
Speaker 5: first win little vomit.
Speaker 2: I want to know.
Speaker 1: I don't think that was the issue, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're in an opposite boll.
Speaker 3: I believe it could last.
Speaker 1: I think the new Coach bump you know, could last
Speaker 1: longer than we They just got a flush last week.
Speaker 2: There it is.
Speaker 5: Greg Rolsenthal, a professional at this and yes, we start,
Speaker 5: guys with our first game going smallest to biggest spreads
Speaker 5: in the week, as we customarily do, with just how
Speaker 5: loud things might be. When Jameis Winston makes his appearance
Speaker 5: in Mercedes Benz Super Dome Cleveland at New Orleans, the
Speaker 5: New Orleans Saints a one point home favorite. Kenny Albert,
Speaker 5: Jonathan Vilma and Megan Olivey on the call. It was
Speaker 5: once the Mercedes Benz usurper Dome greg when he famously
Speaker 5: led a charge to score a touchdown against the will
Speaker 5: of Dennis Allen. That was one of the most consequential
Speaker 5: instances of deliberate insubordination to lead a movement to lead to.
Speaker 2: The house of Dennis Allen.
Speaker 5: The Browns, the Brown's coming off the buye the Saints
Speaker 5: coming off snapping a seven game losing streak, a game
Speaker 5: we'll probably discuss before next April's draft.
Speaker 2: How do you see it going?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the one game all week actually between
Speaker 1: two teams that I would say have no chance to
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. There's a lot more teams this year
Speaker 1: that seem like they're out of it, but this is
Speaker 1: the only game where two of them and yet I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to this one. It's Jamis coming off the
Speaker 1: bye week. We're seeing if this Saints team can keep
Speaker 1: it rolling and make it feel like they are a
Speaker 1: new team again. And defensively, I can kind of buy
Speaker 1: it that was the side of the ball that played
Speaker 1: with a different energy, that they had different schemes that
Speaker 1: they had up front in terms of how they were
Speaker 1: going to attack the passer. They know Jamis will give
Speaker 1: them a chance at a couple of plays. So it's
Speaker 1: a good day for to be honey badger and maybe
Speaker 1: get a pick.
Speaker 4: You know, the fact that the Saints would only a
Speaker 4: point up at the Dome tells you all you need
Speaker 4: to know. That bump they got last week, Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: gonna be an negga.
Speaker 1: Well, the fact that they're favored at all against another
Speaker 1: professional football team. Look at their wide receivers, like, look
Speaker 1: look at what they've been this year, the Browns actually
Speaker 1: without Shaun Watson. If you take away Watson, I would
Speaker 1: say like they have more things going for them, more
Speaker 1: good players, better defense.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I mean.
Speaker 4: Jamis is gonna go back and eat the w in
Speaker 4: the white and orange uniform. Okay, I think when you
Speaker 4: look at this. You mentioned it. First off, they had
Speaker 4: the byeways. The Browns will clean some things up defensively,
Speaker 4: that's a problem.
Speaker 2: The Saints have to score.
Speaker 4: They're able to manufacture some points against the Falcons, who
Speaker 4: they know well. But this is when Jamis is gonna
Speaker 4: push the ball down the field on them. They're gonna
Speaker 4: take some risk try to get to Jamis James gonna
Speaker 4: have a big game in the Dome. This is not
Speaker 4: I just I just don't think the Saints are team
Speaker 4: that's gonna start stacking wins. They just don't seem like
Speaker 4: that Cleveland coming off the buy. They'll clean things up.
Speaker 4: They're gonna go down to the five O four and
Speaker 4: do theres well. Darren Rizzi's second game is the Saints
Speaker 4: underm head coach. He could become the Saints first interim
Speaker 4: head coach in franchise history to win his first two games.
Speaker 4: Those are the stakes after he dropped that big win
Speaker 4: in his first start. But I'm you mentioned the receivers
Speaker 4: Greg the Marquez Valdez Scantling game, which was really the
Speaker 4: Marquez Valdez Scantling first half, three catches over one hundred
Speaker 4: yards and two touchdowns, Derek Carr, It's fair to say
Speaker 4: he's one of the better downfield passers in the league,
Speaker 4: especially on those deep like forty plus.
Speaker 3: Yards protected yep.
Speaker 5: And I don't know how much more MBS can offer,
Speaker 5: but I'm willing to be surprised because the Browns had
Speaker 5: those nasty blown coverages in the Chargers games, where if
Speaker 5: they can avoid that and pressure car it's difficult to
Speaker 5: imagine like Alvin carrying the team to victory.
Speaker 1: This Brown's The rest of their season is going to
Speaker 1: be interesting for them. They have to make some decisions
Speaker 1: on certain players, whether they're going to bring them back,
Speaker 1: like in the secondary, Martin Emerson, that sort of guy
Speaker 1: like Denzel Ward has played great all year. I thought
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett was like kind of like the B version
Speaker 1: of Miles Garrett for five or six weeks this season,
Speaker 1: and he's cranked it to be all the way back
Speaker 1: the last few weeks. They just have outstanding players on
Speaker 1: that defensive side. Ward is, you know, and I don't
Speaker 1: know who Denzil Ward covers in this game, but when
Speaker 1: he's firing, he's as good as as anyone. I think
Speaker 1: they actually might have to show something down the stretch
Speaker 1: or the ownership there might be tempted to pull the
Speaker 1: plug on this, this whole group.
Speaker 3: Wow, to blame Andrew Berry, to blame Kevin.
Speaker 2: That would be absolute nonsense.
Speaker 4: That would be utter nonsense if they I mean not
Speaker 4: to say they wouldn't do it, but that would be
Speaker 4: utter nonsense to pull the plug on Kevin Tefanski, who's
Speaker 4: a hell of a coach, Andrew Berry, who knows what
Speaker 4: he's doing. Like you said, it's a talented roster. There's
Speaker 4: been one position that has taken this thing. You know,
Speaker 4: they pulled the cork out of the tub, and he's not.
Speaker 1: Their offensive line. Still kind of stinks they lost Callahan.
Speaker 1: Jedrick Wills. It was a little bit of a story
Speaker 1: in Cleveland that said publicly. Now I listened to what
Speaker 1: he said, and he said, look, he was upset that
Speaker 1: he was benched because the week before he had made
Speaker 1: a business decision and sat out the game with an injury.
Speaker 1: But if you listen to everything that he said, he said,
Speaker 1: I was about seventy percent and I'm trying to not
Speaker 1: hurt the team by playing through that injury, knowing the
Speaker 1: guy can replace me and play better. Right, I don't
Speaker 1: know where he's when I listened to it back, I
Speaker 1: don't think he meant anything bad by it, but he's
Speaker 1: upset because now he's been benched since then, he's not
Speaker 1: getting his job back. And this was a guy who
Speaker 1: at one point people thought was like the future left
Speaker 1: tackle this team.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think he could be a quality left
Speaker 5: tackle for a lot of folks. But we've got to
Speaker 5: contextualize these trigger terms that the tough football guys really
Speaker 5: don't like, like like soft was apparently a huge issue,
Speaker 5: that's that was ruining lives, and now we've got business decision, which,
Speaker 5: as Greg pointed out, when putting the proper context, it's
Speaker 5: something that's much easier to understand versus like, oh, I
Speaker 5: don't care about the team, I'm only worried about Well, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's his body if he wants to be concerned or
Speaker 5: if you don't want to run out there, like the
Speaker 5: Cleveland Browns put half of Baker Mayfield on the field
Speaker 5: for several weeks in his final season there for I
Speaker 5: don't know what reason.
Speaker 1: And so if Baker they put half of Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: out there this whole season, I don't know what reason.
Speaker 1: And that's and that is where like, yeah, you can't. Sorry,
Speaker 1: sorry to make it about Watson and I cut you off.
Speaker 2: No, you're good.
Speaker 3: Let's go to a better game.
Speaker 2: Let's go to a much better game.
Speaker 5: Let's go to a game that's going to be across
Speaker 5: the I always say across the street. It's not even
Speaker 5: really a street. There's not a lot of traffic on
Speaker 5: the street. On the on the other side of.
Speaker 1: The sidewalk, it's like twenty five feet. I I tell people, like,
Speaker 1: you could hit. You could hit a golf ball from
Speaker 1: here to the like the fifty yard of the putter.
Speaker 5: I want one so bad. I want to shot out
Speaker 5: on our demo field with a sandwich. If we could
Speaker 5: get if you.
Speaker 3: Know, over the over the roof, and then yeah, it.
Speaker 5: Would have to go through the score. We're gonna have
Speaker 5: to get some some clearance from stand stand. If you're
Speaker 5: listening to podcast, let me know I would like to
Speaker 5: try to hit.
Speaker 1: They wanted to be safer. I mean I think they
Speaker 1: had a tennis ball over. That's how close it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's very close either way.
Speaker 2: Lo case, what we're talking about it so far, Saiding.
Speaker 5: The Cincinnati Bengals, losers of two of their last three,
Speaker 5: a one and a half point underdog on the road
Speaker 5: against the Chargers team that's won three in a row,
Speaker 5: including four or five coming off their buy with their
Speaker 5: quarterback player spectacular level Steve Over a ninety passer rating
Speaker 5: in every game this year. That all being said, there
Speaker 5: are still the Bengals. I still believe. Can they make
Speaker 5: this close as they have all year, maybe even win
Speaker 5: the game.
Speaker 4: This is one where styles make fights, and I think
Speaker 4: this is a bad match up for Cincinnati. I really
Speaker 4: do the number feel small to me because of that.
Speaker 4: I mean, and you know, we're talking about so much
Speaker 4: of the Bengals offense. The Chargers defense, Yep, they've got
Speaker 4: thirty one sacks, right, they get after Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack,
Speaker 4: Twully twee Upolow two, they get after it. And they're
Speaker 4: good overall defensively. And we know the Bengals don't run
Speaker 4: the ball well. And I just think we know some
Speaker 4: of the long developing routes that's gonna be an issue
Speaker 4: for Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: To pull off with with this defense, you know.
Speaker 4: And look, they're second, the Chargers second the NFL turnover differential.
Speaker 4: They don't turn it over right, and they've got thirteen
Speaker 4: takeaways and eleven of those are picks. This is a
Speaker 4: typical Jim Harbaugh coach team that doesn't beat themselves.
Speaker 2: What do the Bengals do? They beat themselves.
Speaker 4: So that's why I'm like this is stylistically this is
Speaker 4: a bad matchup for Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: I almost feel bad for the Bengals because they come
Speaker 1: off that one, that game against the Ravens, and they
Speaker 1: feel like, oh, are we almost falling out of it?
Speaker 3: Okay, actually we are a good team.
Speaker 1: We just keep losing these tight games to great teams,
Speaker 1: and then here they go on Sunday Night against a team.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say it'd be a letdown game for
Speaker 1: the Bengals because every game is so big for them.
Speaker 1: But you look at and you think the Chargers could
Speaker 1: be a gettable team, and I'm with you. I trust
Speaker 1: the Chargers a little more now. We haven't seen them
Speaker 1: beat a lot of good teams like this is a
Speaker 1: step up in competition, especially for their defense. I'm curious
Speaker 1: if Orlando Brown plays in this game. That worried me
Speaker 1: on the Thursday night game. How Joe Burrows offensive line played.
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of eroded over the course of
Speaker 1: this season and going up against his pass rush. Joey
Speaker 1: Bosa looked a little better last week. He's getting healthier.
Speaker 1: They're deep, as you mentioned, and they're just really sound.
Speaker 1: T Higgins was practicing on Wednesday on a side field,
Speaker 1: which normally isn't a great sign, but he was doing
Speaker 1: a lot more than the week before. Same with the
Speaker 1: Orlando Brown. So it is trending towards getting those two
Speaker 1: players back, and they're.
Speaker 3: Gonna need everything and everyone.
Speaker 1: I love having this Chargers team in the national spotlight
Speaker 1: with Chris collins Worth like in this moment of the
Speaker 1: season because it's like, Okay, are you are you just
Speaker 1: better than the bad teams? Are you like the you know,
Speaker 1: the best bad team or are you really gonna be
Speaker 1: a huge part of this season? Beat Cincinnati in this
Speaker 1: game and they're seven and three.
Speaker 5: This would be the best offensive team that the Chargers
Speaker 5: have played this season that they've only given up a
Speaker 5: maximum of twenty points this year. That was the highest
Speaker 5: output that was in the loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers
Speaker 5: and justin Fields in Week three. But as much as
Speaker 5: I love because I love Tooley, he's having a great season.
Speaker 5: He's a South Bay resident, the Chargers of South Viey residents.
Speaker 5: I'm a South Bay resident. I appreciate Justin Herbert's fun
Speaker 5: to have him, watch him have all success.
Speaker 2: But these are the offenses that they played.
Speaker 5: Raiders, Panthers, the Field, Steelers, the Chiefs after the receivers
Speaker 5: rice injury before they got NW Hopkins early season, Denver
Speaker 5: Broncos early season, Cardinals, the Saints during the seven game
Speaker 5: losing streak, the Browns, and then the Tennessee Titans with
Speaker 5: Will Levis coming back and making a.
Speaker 2: First Shark first start. I'll believe more after this game.
Speaker 4: That's it's just difficult to put the crown on them, right.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and I think that's why they're
Speaker 1: eighth in total efficiency. If you look at DVOA, which
Speaker 1: takes intwo opponents strengthen, that sounds about right to me.
Speaker 3: They're like a top ten defense, very solid.
Speaker 1: They're gonna give up points and yards to great offenses
Speaker 1: because it's twenty twenty four, that's what happens. But you
Speaker 1: look at the Bengals offense and you think, like, well,
Speaker 1: which is the bigger mismatch? Because the Bengals offense not
Speaker 1: really consistent you know, running the ball, they make a
Speaker 1: few too many mistakes. As good as Joe Burrow has
Speaker 1: been this season, I do think it's fair to point
Speaker 1: out how many times late in games they've just needed
Speaker 1: to make one play and they haven't.
Speaker 3: And maybe that is all just bad luck.
Speaker 1: But he even said it, like he regrets how he
Speaker 1: handled that two point convergent, he regrets that interception against Baltimore.
Speaker 1: There's just been these little moments where they have had
Speaker 1: a chance to get over the hump in these games
Speaker 1: against good teams and they haven't done it. And sometimes
Speaker 1: that's just your personality for that season. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's their personality forever, but maybe it's this season.
Speaker 3: And then you flip the other side.
Speaker 1: The personality on the other side is a defense that
Speaker 1: really can't get their act together. And this Chargers team,
Speaker 1: they do have a good offensive line right now, at
Speaker 1: least pass protected, and they do have a good quarterback.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's the bigger mismatches. Justin Herbert, you know,
Speaker 1: running some power in the red zone and making plays
Speaker 1: down the field and not making any mistakes. He's found
Speaker 1: the right coach for him to accentuate what he does well,
Speaker 1: which is just like totally avoid negative plays, but now
Speaker 1: he's popping in the big plays too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't turn the ball over. I think they
Speaker 2: could get Gus Bust back this week too.
Speaker 4: He played last week, was back yet, So I mean
Speaker 4: that's that's just gonna add to it.
Speaker 5: Looking forward to the game, CASESE wait to see how
Speaker 5: Sunday Night Football turns out. We'll go to our next
Speaker 5: game because as much as we love that one, guys,
Speaker 5: it's time for the Game of the Week presented by
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Speaker 2: It's the Buffalo.
Speaker 5: Bills, who are two point favorites at home against the
Speaker 5: Kansas City Chiefs. Josh Allen Gregg without Keon Coleman. Last week,
Speaker 5: Keon Coleman already out, Amari Cooper questionable in this game.
Speaker 5: He threw his first two interceptions against zone coverage last week.
Speaker 5: Now here comes Spags as defense. They're two point favorites
Speaker 5: to try to beat the unbeaten Chiefs.
Speaker 3: I hate that.
Speaker 1: As that game was ending in Denver, I was thinking, like,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a bad spot for Buffalo because
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna pick Buffalo this week.
Speaker 3: Like this one, Achie, Like it just is like.
Speaker 1: Oh, they've been you know, Rickety and they've got all
Speaker 1: these issues. And that's just the spot where it's like
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes rips off the Scooby Doo mask and it's
Speaker 1: just Patrick Mahomes underneath, the greatest football player I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: going up against the Bills defense that's very sound year
Speaker 1: after year, and yet he shreds them year after year.
Speaker 1: So I think the way you win this game for
Speaker 1: the Bills, man, I don't know who I'm going to
Speaker 1: pick in this game, but I think you got to
Speaker 1: win a shootout, and I think I actually think they can.
Speaker 1: I think the Bills offense, they would be great to
Speaker 1: have Amari Cooper back, but I do think that they
Speaker 1: can move the ball. And we know the Chiefs are
Speaker 1: going to move the ball, and it's like not a
Speaker 1: heavy possession game.
Speaker 3: And I do trust Josh.
Speaker 1: Allen in the red zone a little more than this
Speaker 1: Chiefs offense right now in the red zone.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you this, this is you know, style
Speaker 4: against styles make fights, and this is gonna be a
Speaker 4: great game. I like the Chiefs defense in this one
Speaker 4: because they've got players that match up well. Right they're
Speaker 4: inside linebackers, you trank Will and Nick Bolton. They can
Speaker 4: spy Allen, they can spy Cook, they can run and pursue.
Speaker 2: They've got different guys in the state. They roll through.
Speaker 4: It seems like they roll through like sixteen different dbs
Speaker 4: every game. Kind of playing the opponent in the field
Speaker 4: situation that can match up well with the tight end
Speaker 4: as well for Buffalo. I just think again, I'm like
Speaker 4: you like, oh, this is the one where the Chiefs lose.
Speaker 4: I thought it was Remember last week I said, I
Speaker 4: thought they're gonna lose to Denver. I thought it was
Speaker 4: a trap game for him.
Speaker 3: But this mean you were you were a block field
Speaker 3: goal away.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, but I think this one Kansas City's like, Okay,
Speaker 4: let's go, let's go get I like the Chiefs in
Speaker 4: this game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, It's difficult to see it because the one spot
Speaker 5: where things have been vulnerable for Kansas City on spags,
Speaker 5: this side has been tied ends and Dalton K and
Speaker 5: K not practicing as of Wednesday.
Speaker 2: See how much Dalton knocks they can work it.
Speaker 5: It's just I'm just wondering about the passing options for
Speaker 5: Josh Allen, because I know Khalil has had a great season,
Speaker 5: getting a lot.
Speaker 2: Of yards after the catch. But it's tough to do that.
Speaker 5: It's tough to have YaKB be the basis of an
Speaker 5: offense against the Kansas City Chiefs defense with his solid
Speaker 5: sound tackling, as they've just been sound everywhere on that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one thing to have a very efficient,
Speaker 1: effective offense that the Bills have put together with one
Speaker 1: of the best quarterbacks in the league, an MVP candidate,
Speaker 1: and a great offensive line and smart decision makers and
Speaker 1: like good role players around. It's another thing to do
Speaker 1: if you're without your three most dynamic pass catchers, so
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper and Dalton Kincaid's availability is really important to me.
Speaker 1: We know Coleman is not going to be there. That
Speaker 1: that's a you feel for them in that spot. And
Speaker 1: it's a different matchup against this the Chiefs defense than
Speaker 1: normal because they just stopped the run. It's really amazing
Speaker 1: how this defense has transformed that even last year when
Speaker 1: they were playing so well, even at the end of
Speaker 1: the season, that was probably the vulnerability that maybe you
Speaker 1: could push them around a little bit and run. And
Speaker 1: the Bills have been a good running team this year,
Speaker 1: and yet this Chiefs defense is just they get better
Speaker 1: every year, and they are great stop in the run
Speaker 1: this year. So it's one thing I guess to stop
Speaker 1: your running backs. Maybe this is just a let Josh
Speaker 1: Allen cook type of game and just like go crazy,
Speaker 1: like you know how you've been a little more conservative lately, Like,
Speaker 1: don't be as conservative.
Speaker 3: Let's just run.
Speaker 4: Here's a chief. Get ready to get Charles and men
Speaker 4: who back. He may not be back this week, but
Speaker 4: he could be back.
Speaker 3: But check o too, they think might be next time.
Speaker 4: I mean, real quick, can we highlight a player for
Speaker 4: the Bills. Let's do it. Taron Johnson their slot corner.
Speaker 4: I think he might be He's topped one or two
Speaker 4: in the NFL at his position, so he's someone he's
Speaker 4: not going to clamp, you know, d Hot because of
Speaker 4: the size or Kelsey because of the size.
Speaker 2: But he will be a problem.
Speaker 4: There will be played, there will be positions on the
Speaker 4: field where he will eliminate them as a top receiver
Speaker 4: and the primary receiver on certain routes because he is
Speaker 4: that good.
Speaker 2: Of a player.
Speaker 3: He has been great.
Speaker 1: I say, I say all that in my head like
Speaker 1: this super Bowl, Yeah, this is my Super Bowl pick.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Bills to win this game. It is,
Speaker 1: but the reason why is because of the Chiefs offense.
Speaker 1: I still remain a little unconventioned no left tackle. The
Speaker 1: left tackle obviously struggled a lot last week. Greg Russo
Speaker 1: is playing fantastic, their D line is playing great. They're
Speaker 1: just so They're so slow. And I get that Kelsey
Speaker 1: is a unique He's a unicorn right now. He's just
Speaker 1: out doing whatever he wants to do almost and that
Speaker 1: that works.
Speaker 3: But Xavier Worthy is a little bit of a problem.
Speaker 1: Like for this Chiefs offense, they have not been able
Speaker 1: to figure that out.
Speaker 3: Or get him going.
Speaker 1: De Hop is a great addition, but certainly not fast
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt. It's going to be a big upgrade, I
Speaker 1: believe when Isaiah Pacheco is back, but he's not going
Speaker 1: to be back for this game. So it's just a
Speaker 1: it's just a slow offense and their margin for error
Speaker 1: and the way that they're playing offense is really small
Speaker 1: against a good team like the Bills. So I as
Speaker 1: much as it's like a show me something game for
Speaker 1: the Bills, like it's to show me something game for
Speaker 1: the Chiefs too, Like this is a step up in
Speaker 1: competition for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 5: It's a step up and again that narrowly a Leoshan
Speaker 5: all smash the goal ultimately does it. And it's just
Speaker 5: that type of intensity that they offer on special teams
Speaker 5: and defense that just makes it difficult to go away.
Speaker 5: And I know, you know, we need to see more
Speaker 5: from the skill position players, but the Buffalo doesn't have theirs.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see to my point about the running game
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs though, and that is actually the way
Speaker 1: you normally beat Buffalo, and they've been very effective running
Speaker 1: against Buffalo. And for what it's worth, Josh Allen has
Speaker 1: been money against the Chiefs in the regular season. As
Speaker 1: he pointed out, like it doesn't mean anything in the
Speaker 1: regular seas like what.
Speaker 3: Does mean anything? Does mean something?
Speaker 1: You guys are trying it's the matt But it's also
Speaker 1: like when the Chiefs are beating the Bills regularly in
Speaker 1: the regular season, that's proof of concept to me. Obviously
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean as much, but both teams are doing
Speaker 1: everything possible to win, and the Bills are winning these
Speaker 1: games in the regular season, that means something. The Chiefs
Speaker 1: running backs have recorded and ninety one rushing yards, genering
Speaker 1: the fifth fewest rushing yards over expected in the NFL.
Speaker 3: I see that with my eyes. I don't think they're.
Speaker 1: Getting very good running back play, and they have a
Speaker 1: very good offensive line, and so maybe they don't take
Speaker 1: advantage of what the Bills weakness is as much as
Speaker 1: they normally would because of Kareem Hunt. That was our
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Speaker 3: The crown is yours.
Speaker 5: We'll leave Buffalo and go to Denver, Colorado. Steed the
Speaker 5: Atlanta Falcons, coming off of being on the wrong side
Speaker 5: of a nasty loss in New Orleans. They are two
Speaker 5: and a half point underdogs on the road against the
Speaker 5: Broncos team that was a properly protected field goal away
Speaker 5: from giving the Chiefs their first loss of the season.
Speaker 5: The Falcons win could give the both of these teams
Speaker 5: the same record. Reg likes to make picks on the record,
Speaker 5: Vibe Yeah, I feel that's about the moment.
Speaker 4: But Patrick, this is a this is the kicking game
Speaker 4: redemption game because young young way Ku Yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: that was.
Speaker 2: That was an issue. I like the number.
Speaker 4: I liked it. I liked the to the two and
Speaker 4: a half number for Denver. Here, Atlanta's a good road
Speaker 4: team though, right they're three and one so far. They're
Speaker 4: offensive lines good enough to deal with this splitz. But
Speaker 4: you look at Denver and this Greg I'm coming right down,
Speaker 4: right down your strike zone. Kirko Chains cannot move and
Speaker 4: Denver has really struggled against quarterbacks who can move right
Speaker 4: the last couple of weeks Laburn, Patrick Mahomes. But you
Speaker 4: look at some of the quarterbacks they've played before. Who
Speaker 4: of the Kirko Chains mobility scale, which is what from
Speaker 4: zero tobout point plus zero, and they've they've played really well. Again,
Speaker 4: this is going to be a challenge. Atlanta's going to
Speaker 4: have to run the football against this defensive front. And
Speaker 4: we still don't know what the Falcons defense is. Like,
Speaker 4: they've shown us no identity.
Speaker 1: The identity is you can't you can't win multiple playoff
Speaker 1: games with this pass.
Speaker 3: No, there's no way, like you can maybe make it
Speaker 3: to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I looking at the Bucks schedule, I actually I actually
Speaker 1: think no, it's easy. Yeah, they don't play the rest
Speaker 1: of the way they don't play anyone good. They have
Speaker 1: like one game against a team that's not one of
Speaker 1: the worst in the NFL. I don't think this division
Speaker 1: has decided. I'm glad you pointed out my sort of
Speaker 1: records theory, which is like, because these two teams, they
Speaker 1: both they both look like six and five teams to me,
Speaker 1: they do. Like I I'm glad the Falcons lost that
Speaker 1: game last week, which they probably didn't deserve too. They
Speaker 1: dominated that second half and found a way to because
Speaker 1: because a pass rush this bad where you have ten
Speaker 1: sacks on the season again, yet your pressure rate is
Speaker 1: still like is among if not like the lowest in
Speaker 1: the NFL too, Like they don't do anything well at all,
Speaker 1: and this Broncos line can protect.
Speaker 3: Bnix is getting a little better every week.
Speaker 1: Nick Bonito's out there making plays, Jonathan Cooper getting after.
Speaker 3: I think they're better up front.
Speaker 1: I think the Broncos are a legit six and five team,
Speaker 1: and I think the Falcons are a legit six and five.
Speaker 1: They're just like a funky team. So that that makes
Speaker 1: me feel like, let's let's ride Broncos today.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I may I may have inceptioned you into picking the.
Speaker 1: You kind of did six and five.
Speaker 3: I'm fine with that.
Speaker 5: We saw what Bonnicks because Baltimore really especially in the
Speaker 5: first half. I know that they got those ten points
Speaker 5: and then nothing really happened after that. But bon Nicks
Speaker 5: had a whole lot of time in the pocket and
Speaker 5: there's been time for him to value what things might
Speaker 5: be like in a game against the team that cannot
Speaker 5: get pressure. And all love to Ajterrell and Jesse Bates
Speaker 5: and god love the folks the Falcon secondary. They're just
Speaker 5: back there, man, They're just back their run around for dates.
Speaker 2: Well, they're hanging.
Speaker 5: They're getting no help, like, just trying to make the plays,
Speaker 5: uh that are available. And over on the offensive side,
Speaker 5: Darnell Mooney and Drake London shout out to them. It's
Speaker 5: the first pair league wide to both have over six
Speaker 5: hundred receiving yards. You have to deal with Moss and
Speaker 5: Patrick's or Tan could be a big Kyle Pitts game, but.
Speaker 2: It's tough. I'm gonna have to this is this is
Speaker 2: like a believe type situation.
Speaker 5: Much like the Chargers game. I just got to find
Speaker 5: out which team is the team and this is a
Speaker 5: great week for this matchup.
Speaker 2: To figure it.
Speaker 4: Out, coming down to the kicking game, coming down to
Speaker 4: a field goal.
Speaker 3: Okay, I trust Denver.
Speaker 2: Well that's the case. I got redemption.
Speaker 1: One note for Denver is that Odric estimate. I don't
Speaker 1: need to tell you this. I'm sure you've been talking
Speaker 1: about it on Fantasy Live every day. He took over
Speaker 1: as the starting running back last week. Javonte Williams. They
Speaker 1: kind of put in that third down like Samaji p
Speaker 1: Ryan that used to be his old roll roll with
Speaker 1: the Broncos.
Speaker 3: And estimate he's got some juice. Yes, he does, nice speed,
Speaker 3: powerful guy.
Speaker 1: I picked him up on my fantasy uh in my
Speaker 1: fantasy league, and uh yeah, maybe maybe he has a
Speaker 1: big game here for.
Speaker 4: And the Foal Because you don't have downhill linebackers. Their linebackers
Speaker 4: are chase linebackers. Even though Kaien Nellis is stud I
Speaker 4: mean he can do it money.
Speaker 3: Nellis leads the team in pressures. He's an off ball linebacker.
Speaker 4: Off ball linebacker, and he blitzed up to that A
Speaker 4: and B gap. That's where that's that's.
Speaker 2: Where they are.
Speaker 1: I like, I like a heavy blitzing team against Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins and well, I don't know I'm I'm torn. That's
Speaker 1: a talented Falcons offense. They make a lot of plays.
Speaker 1: Kirk Crow is getting it done. Don't you say that
Speaker 1: scale it's like zero to Aaron Rodgers, I guess in
Speaker 1: terms of mobility.
Speaker 3: But Kirk Go's outplaying Aaron Rodgers by quite a bit.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's not. We'll have time, just not saying much.
Speaker 1: All right, we hit a couple of the best games
Speaker 1: of the week, but we are not done yet. The
Speaker 1: best game of the early window on Sunday, really looking
Speaker 1: forward to, Yes, sir, which one? It's Ravens Steelers. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about that after the break back on NFL Daily.
Speaker 1: It's the game that's gonna have Patrick Clayband's heart fluttering
Speaker 1: in the early window.
Speaker 5: Well, now, thanks to our two point conversion, miss my
Speaker 5: necessary begels, it's not as consequential. It's the Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 5: three point favorites at the on the road at the
Speaker 5: Pittsburgh Steelers with the over under forty eight eight Eagle
Speaker 5: Charles Davis Evan Washburn on the call. It's also the
Speaker 5: Deontay Johnson revenge game, coming back on the other side
Speaker 5: of the division, playing against his old team. Greg there
Speaker 5: was a Steelers defense that gave the Commanders all kinds
Speaker 5: of problems. What kind of issues can they face for
Speaker 5: right now the best player in the NFL on Lamar.
Speaker 1: Jacks Well, I think the way to go at the
Speaker 1: Steelers defense is to run at them, so that it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a big test for them too. But I
Speaker 1: think the thing they did against Jane Daniels that you
Speaker 1: can't apply to this week is they're so disciplined in
Speaker 1: how they rushed the passer and that was clearly the plan.
Speaker 3: Last week. TJ. Watt was not flying up the field.
Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't have as many pressures as he normally would,
Speaker 1: but they kept him contained. That is tougher to do
Speaker 1: against Lamar Jackson, especially when he's got Derrick Henry and
Speaker 1: you're having option plays. But if any defense in the
Speaker 1: NFL can do it, this is the one that will
Speaker 1: do it because we've seen them do it.
Speaker 3: Steve like, Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 1: There's a defense in the NFL that's consistently given Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson more problems than the Steelers and Mike Donalin No.
Speaker 4: I mean, like you said, they're disciplined and they've got
Speaker 4: the players to play against him.
Speaker 2: I mean, all their guys can run. They've got guys
Speaker 2: who can do things.
Speaker 4: I look at the other side of the ball though,
Speaker 4: I mean Pittsburgh's strength with Russ Cooking is Baltimore's weakness.
Speaker 4: And my favorite player over the past couple of weeks
Speaker 4: has been George Pickens. He has been absolutely deep ball
Speaker 4: catch and run, breaking tackles. And it is week after
Speaker 4: week with the Ravens where their secondary is getting tackled,
Speaker 4: they're missing tackles, they're giving up big plays, and they're
Speaker 4: giving up intermediate yard.
Speaker 2: Plays to let the change move.
Speaker 4: So the way that the Steelers are playing right now,
Speaker 4: this is kryptonite to what's going on. And paired with
Speaker 4: that defense, I just don't see necessarily Baltimore winning a
Speaker 4: shootout in this.
Speaker 1: I'm getting to the point, Patrick, and I just wanted
Speaker 1: to frame it to you, Okay, Like I am starting
Speaker 1: to wonder, like, are the Ravens ever gonna figure it
Speaker 1: out on defense? And because the great because if they don't,
Speaker 1: I don't see them as a favorite anymore.
Speaker 3: So I've just.
Speaker 1: Been expecting, because of the jersey they wear, they will
Speaker 1: figure it out.
Speaker 3: What is your level of concern with this defense.
Speaker 2: Oh, clearly the level is very high.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, they don't have to play Joe Burrow and Jamar
Speaker 5: Chase again.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 1: But they've looked bad against some place, and they'll have
Speaker 1: they might have to play them again in playoffs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they look bad with bow Nicks throwing to Courtland Sudden.
Speaker 5: They look bad with Courtland Sudden throwing a bow Nick.
Speaker 5: It's been bad here in week eleven, which is also
Speaker 5: a euphemism for the Baltimore Ravens defense in twenty twenty
Speaker 5: four where I have the only thing historically I can
Speaker 5: go to is the return of Bob Sanders for the
Speaker 5: old Colts team where they couldn't do anything and all
Speaker 5: of a sudden, Bob Sanders came and fixed it.
Speaker 2: They go to the super Bowl. Maybe that's the historical precedent.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know who the Bob Sanders would be on
Speaker 5: this Baltimore rage.
Speaker 3: It was Dean P's they brought him back five weeks ago.
Speaker 3: It doesn't work though, it's.
Speaker 5: It's just it's tough, you know, George Pickens, Mike Williams
Speaker 5: down the sideline, those one on one plays. Baltimore hasn't
Speaker 5: been able to defend all season. But the hope would
Speaker 5: be if you're a Baltimore Ravens fan, which you know
Speaker 5: clearly I am, if if those are low percentage plays,
Speaker 5: lower percentage for a lot of other quarterbacks other than
Speaker 5: Russell Wilson. If you go to next Gen Stats and
Speaker 5: you sort deep passing attempts since since twenty sixteen, it's
Speaker 5: Russell Wilson and literally then everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the bingo card, like he's he's the one
Speaker 2: that makes that go.
Speaker 5: It's it's not fluky, and we could talk about Russ
Speaker 5: target in the middle of the field.
Speaker 2: He's just so effective outside of the numbers.
Speaker 5: Now he has two really talented players, including George Pickens,
Speaker 5: who's just must see TV because you don't know what
Speaker 5: he's gonna do on any given play before he catches
Speaker 5: the ball. After he cashes ball, anything goes wrong, and
Speaker 5: it's it's a concerning one. But with the the Baltimore
Speaker 5: line playing better and Lamar playing the way he is,
Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's what you hang your hat on.
Speaker 4: It's being Deontay Johnson. Everyone else has stepped up since
Speaker 4: he's kind on join the Ravens TM.
Speaker 2: He barely plays. All these was fall down on a
Speaker 2: play would have got Yeah, but here here's.
Speaker 3: Speaking of it. Let's let's listen to Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 1: He was actually asked this week about preparing for his
Speaker 1: old player Deonte Johnson, to be.
Speaker 6: Honest, which I hadn't thought a lot about it. He's
Speaker 6: not on a lot of their video and so you know,
Speaker 6: at this stage of the week, I don't know that
Speaker 6: I've weighed, you know, what he might mean to the matchup.
Speaker 6: They got more significant pieces with larger roles that are
Speaker 6: occupying my attention at this part of the week.
Speaker 4: The best he's this year, just the best quote machine.
Speaker 4: He just gives dandy and he says it was just
Speaker 4: like this absolute philosophical Well.
Speaker 3: There was like a hit.
Speaker 1: There was a little smile when the question was first asked,
Speaker 1: because that smile was like I'm going to flame this
Speaker 1: guy in the nicest way possible and say it very calmly.
Speaker 4: Well, what's crazy though, I want to flow back to
Speaker 4: the Ravens Steveh. Yeah, when you look at the players,
Speaker 4: when you look at the roe quandt Smiths, when you
Speaker 4: look at Kyle Hamilton, who's you know, I know he's
Speaker 4: a little nicked up, Like I just do not understand,
Speaker 4: you know, Nomdi Madabik. He's finally starting to come on
Speaker 4: up front and upfront they're fine, like they don't allow
Speaker 4: running yards and they do put pressure on the quarterback.
Speaker 4: But I mean again, maybe is Zach Orr some of
Speaker 4: the stuff they've done schematically, but it is not happen here.
Speaker 2: But we got to communicate, communicate better.
Speaker 4: It's the same players that you've had, So to answer
Speaker 4: your question, I don't know if it's going to get better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a coaching issue at this point. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't point to anything else that the coaching staff changes.
Speaker 3: On the defense.
Speaker 1: You have so many of the same players and it's
Speaker 1: just this bad week after week. Kyle Hamilton was seen
Speaker 1: working lightly at practice on Wednesday, which actually is a
Speaker 1: good sign. You know, he has a chance, it sounds like,
Speaker 1: to play in this game. But without him, oh that's trouble.
Speaker 1: And I do think because they stopped the run, and
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh obviously wants to run, and they've been a little
Speaker 1: better lately running. Their offensive line has gelleden better. Jalen
Speaker 1: Warrens certainly is playing better than he did when he
Speaker 1: was kind of fighting through some stuff early, Najre Harris
Speaker 1: running hard, I think they'll be able to stop the
Speaker 1: Steelers run.
Speaker 3: Can someone just just play too deep against.
Speaker 1: You know we this is the mel Kuiper playing like
Speaker 1: mel Kuiper tried to ban to you know, the two
Speaker 1: high safeties. It didn't happen. It's still allowed. But nobody
Speaker 1: does it against Russell Wilson. If ever, there's a team
Speaker 1: to just play back and let Russell Wilson dice you up.
Speaker 1: Let's see if he can do it just throwing short
Speaker 1: over the middle, like dare him to just play back.
Speaker 1: Marcus Williams is gonna miss every tackle anyway, so just
Speaker 1: let him like play forty yards back.
Speaker 2: As got Eddie Jackson there to back him up.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, don't don't allow that.
Speaker 2: If not.
Speaker 1: If it's George Pickens making moves in the matrix, that's
Speaker 1: one thing. But if it's Mike Williams like beating you
Speaker 1: one on one like that, just come.
Speaker 2: On, we'll see.
Speaker 5: We'll see what Zach wore and the defense, and maybe
Speaker 5: that's the silver lining. It's a whole lot easier to
Speaker 5: fix play calling in defensive strung sure than it is
Speaker 5: to acquire players after the trade deadline, which is something.
Speaker 3: One last thing on this game.
Speaker 1: If the Steelers win it, they are in control of
Speaker 1: the AFC North in a very real way.
Speaker 3: And I think they can win this game at home.
Speaker 1: Look they they split with the Ravens pretty often in
Speaker 1: bad years for the Steelers. Why can't they now? And
Speaker 1: they would be in the mix. Let's say, let's say
Speaker 1: the Chiefs lose in the in the Steelers win, it's
Speaker 1: like a four way race for the number one overall seed.
Speaker 2: But Patrick and I were talking about, look at this.
Speaker 4: Tell them the Steelers schedule week fifteen, Joe at the Eagles,
Speaker 4: Week sixteen, back again at the Ravens week seventeen against
Speaker 4: the Kansas City Chiefs, Week eighteen, finishing the season against
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase and the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a stretch. This is the first division game.
Speaker 3: Doubt them at their at your peril, Oh, I.
Speaker 2: Adopted no less less.
Speaker 5: Mike Tomlins says something about me in a Wednesday news
Speaker 5: camp ahead of a division game.
Speaker 2: Let's get two.
Speaker 1: I haven't watched a lot of his programs, yes, like
Speaker 1: when is Game Day Live on?
Speaker 3: Again? I have to I have to DVR. It's on
Speaker 3: it four am Pacific.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's while you're coaching, coach, so I understand no
Speaker 5: offense taken. Let's go to the Indianapolis Colts, who have
Speaker 5: made a change at the quarterback position. Steve, it is
Speaker 5: not Joe Flacco playing a revenge game. It's Anthony Richardson
Speaker 5: making a start on the road at MetLife. The Jets
Speaker 5: of three and a half point favorite. I love Drew Catalan,
Speaker 5: Ticky Barbara, Jason mccordyon, A j Ross on the call.
Speaker 2: They go back to the youngster, Steve.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: It feels like it bullied them into put again. I
Speaker 2: love it. I love it.
Speaker 4: Look the perfect timing to do it too, because the
Speaker 4: Jets would have gotten to Joe Flacco.
Speaker 2: They're not gonna get to Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 4: You're gonna get a heavy dose of Jonathan Taylor and
Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson running the football because of Jets or mishmash.
Speaker 4: She gets to run. They can get after the quarterback
Speaker 4: in certain situations. But this changes things for me. I
Speaker 4: know the Jets are three and a half. The Jets
Speaker 4: have scored more than twenty points in just two of
Speaker 4: their last seven games, six of which were losses. They're
Speaker 4: not scoring the ball offensively, and you know, defensively they're
Speaker 4: in and out because the defense gets putting so many
Speaker 4: bad situations. But I think with Anthony Richardson coming in,
Speaker 4: they're not going to take away superpower. Go ahead and run,
Speaker 4: move right, pocket, Let's go ahead and let's let you
Speaker 4: do you Okay, maybe we learned some things watching Joe
Speaker 4: Flacco that we need to do to help you out
Speaker 4: a little bit better.
Speaker 2: And I.
Speaker 4: Have no trust in the Jets right now, absolutely none.
Speaker 4: So I think the Colts that three and a half number,
Speaker 4: not half. And I think the Colts, who win this
Speaker 4: went out right.
Speaker 1: I think they will too. You know what's that says
Speaker 1: like when someone shows you who they are, believe them.
Speaker 1: And the Jets, well done. The Jets have shown us
Speaker 1: who they are.
Speaker 3: And it's like.
Speaker 1: It's unfortunately, like the dead animal I saw on the
Speaker 1: on the side of the highway on the way to
Speaker 1: work today, Like that's what they've been. They weren't there,
Speaker 1: like they weren't there last week. They weren't there. They
Speaker 1: did not show up. You can run on them. I
Speaker 1: really do believe there's a chance that they watched that
Speaker 1: Jets film and the like, we should get r back
Speaker 1: in here, because like, we don't need to throw against
Speaker 1: this team.
Speaker 3: This is gonna be perfect.
Speaker 1: This will be a soft landing for him and as
Speaker 1: bad as it's been in Indianapolis. Just based on the
Speaker 1: way Shane Steichen was answering some of those questions, I
Speaker 1: personally believe he wanted to start Anthony Richardson and maybe
Speaker 1: his hands were tied a little bit even earlier this week,
Speaker 1: until until he convinced the powers that be to untie
Speaker 1: his hands and go back to his quarterback.
Speaker 5: Well, well, now that we have the benefit of hindsight
Speaker 5: about the decision and perhaps foresight some of us felt
Speaker 5: at the start of the season.
Speaker 2: So Anthony Richardson starts.
Speaker 5: One and two games against the Texans, who we saw
Speaker 5: pickoff Jared Golf five Tom's and promptm last time out
Speaker 5: of the Green Bay Packers during the Xavier McKinney pickstreak,
Speaker 5: and the Chicago Bears when that defense was very, very good,
Speaker 5: and then they beat the Pittsburgh Steelers and Joe Flacco
Speaker 5: gets in the game against the Jags, has success against
Speaker 5: the Titans, and it's like.
Speaker 2: Oh, Joe Flacco the twenty twenty three Joe Flacco's back.
Speaker 5: Well, now that we know, it was probably just the
Speaker 5: schedule playing out the way that the schedule does because
Speaker 5: they have these last two games against the Vikings and
Speaker 5: the Bill. So incomes Anthony Richardson. The place that I'm
Speaker 5: not confident about this Colts team is defensively. Yea, we
Speaker 5: know Gus Bradley plays all of that zone. Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 5: right now EPA wise against man is negative fifty one.
Speaker 5: He's the worst quarterback against man coverage in the NFL.
Speaker 5: That's Aaron Rodgers in the situation.
Speaker 3: Also DeVante Adams and Garrett Wilson. It's hard to figure.
Speaker 2: Now, oh man, they'd be cooking right.
Speaker 5: Well, now, the reprieve is they get to play a
Speaker 5: team that's going to play most of their coverage snaps
Speaker 5: in the zone. And so if there is a spot
Speaker 5: where Davante has a lot of success, it feels like
Speaker 5: it could be here.
Speaker 1: Let's actually listen to Anthony Richardson. You know we're taping
Speaker 1: this on Wednesday. I was surprised because normally the quarterback
Speaker 1: move you would have heard about it earlier in the
Speaker 1: week and Stich and said, you know, Joe Flacco is
Speaker 1: our quarterback moving forward Monday and Tuesday, and then they
Speaker 1: flipped it. On Wednesday, Richardson spoke to the media about
Speaker 1: what the last few weeks have been like.
Speaker 7: As a competitor, you know, you never want to just
Speaker 7: be on the sideline. You always feel like there's an
Speaker 7: opportunity for you to go out there and help the team.
Speaker 7: But just sitting on the sideline, it just allowed me
Speaker 7: just to you know, just look and see the certain
Speaker 7: things I could, you know, correct about myself, you know,
Speaker 7: certain things that the team needed help with, you know,
Speaker 7: And I'm just forever grateful for the opportunity. You know,
Speaker 7: I'm glad that same feel like I'm the guy again
Speaker 7: once once again. So like I said, I'm just forever
Speaker 7: grateful and I'm just thankful.
Speaker 1: He said separately that he low key thought it was
Speaker 1: good for him that he was low key grateful for
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. You have heard quarterbacks talk
Speaker 1: before about that feels like the worst thing that could
Speaker 1: happen to you, and it almost is a weight lifted
Speaker 1: off your shoulder to just go play football, like you
Speaker 1: know how to. So I know, ever, you know, you
Speaker 1: were upset that they benched him. I did not think
Speaker 1: it was a bad idea to bench him based on
Speaker 1: how he was playing. And I said at the time,
Speaker 1: I promise you, I put it on Twitter like I
Speaker 1: promise you. He will be starting again sooner than later,
Speaker 1: certainly by December. I mean he got way before December.
Speaker 1: And I think it's okay that players who aren't playing
Speaker 1: well don't play for a couple of weeks. He just
Speaker 1: happens to play quarterback, and now he's going to play again.
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't be surprised to see a better version
Speaker 1: well at.
Speaker 4: That position again, because you watched him play. He got
Speaker 4: to the point where he was he was mentally swimming upstream.
Speaker 4: So this is one sit back watch when you're hearing
Speaker 4: the play call come in, how it's supposed to be executed,
Speaker 4: whether it works or not. But being able to see
Speaker 4: the oh, okay, I see in this situation where I'm
Speaker 4: not having to process it in the microsecond, but I
Speaker 4: see how it's supposed to unfold, whether it does or not. Again,
Speaker 4: you understand a little bit better, so now we'll see.
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of people does help some people.
Speaker 4: It does mean Bryce Young is playing freaking great right now,
Speaker 4: He's not great. He's playing really good, much better than
Speaker 4: how he looked earlier in the season. So he's the
Speaker 4: one who took a step back. The coaching staff is
Speaker 4: coaching for him a little bit more as well.
Speaker 1: And he thought then Patrick to extend this idea further,
Speaker 1: that maybe bring in tyrod for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: Give give Aaron Rodgers this a little mental break. It
Speaker 3: seems like he needs it.
Speaker 1: He's now recycling his old bits on Pat McAfee, like, Hey,
Speaker 1: there's something great in life called hope.
Speaker 3: It's like you did that one two years ago. You
Speaker 3: got to come up with new stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And in fact, everybody, if you want to be
Speaker 5: better at something, stop doing it.
Speaker 2: That's the that's.
Speaker 5: The overall advice that we're coming up good on Anthony
Speaker 5: Richardson to pick up his head coach, and everybody say, yeah,
Speaker 5: it was a great idea. Look, I'll learned to watch
Speaker 5: on the sideline. Maybe he learned to not be so
Speaker 5: yolo with his body.
Speaker 3: If you gave me he's gotta go this week, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't I wouldn't ever want to do it.
Speaker 1: But if you said, Greg, don't like your performance lately
Speaker 1: hosting NFL Daily kind of been You've been a little
Speaker 1: bit of a mess. Take two weeks off and come back.
Speaker 1: I bet you'd get a better performance out of him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, rest rest is good. We never we'd never go
Speaker 2: to the head coach though and talk to make a move.
Speaker 2: We never. Do you like that, though, Greg, So, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't want you to go anywhere.
Speaker 3: No, I don't either. I'm just saying some time he's
Speaker 3: getting a little mentally refreshed. It's not the worst thing ever.
Speaker 5: We love rest for everybody, hope everybody listening against proper
Speaker 5: rests and compensation as well. Let's go to a team
Speaker 5: that might need some coming off of a disappointing into
Speaker 5: a wind streak. The Los Angeles Rams five point favorites
Speaker 5: in Foxborough against Drake May and the New England Patriots. Adam,
Speaker 5: I mean, Mark Sanchez, Christina Pink on the call, Greg,
Speaker 5: you get to see Drake May go up against Matthew
Speaker 5: Stafford maybe some similarities and the young Gunslinger in the
Speaker 5: Super Bowl champ How do you see the matchup?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that comparison. Obviously, Drake May is getting
Speaker 1: a lot of his value from those scrambles, like his
Speaker 1: ten plus yard scramble plays is now there with the
Speaker 1: top quarterbacks in the entire NFL for the season right
Speaker 1: off the bat. It's funny going back through that Bears tape,
Speaker 1: I thought play for Play might have been his worst
Speaker 1: game of the season, Like he made a couple of
Speaker 1: big plays, but that pass defense seemed to have him scrambling,
Speaker 1: holding the ball for a long time.
Speaker 3: He won't be holding it in.
Speaker 1: This game because he'll have no choice, which I actually
Speaker 1: think is not the worst thing for him. It just
Speaker 1: puts him on Hey, if that first read isn't there,
Speaker 1: I'm into create mode and that's the best. Drake may
Speaker 1: could be a little bit of a dangerous spot for
Speaker 1: the Rams because I do think the Patriots are a
Speaker 1: little more cohesive defensively than they were earlier in the season,
Speaker 1: and so in this Rams offense not really cohesive right now.
Speaker 4: No, look, this is one I know the Rams plus
Speaker 4: five look early start, short week going across the country.
Speaker 4: You talked about the disjoint of play. I mean now,
Speaker 4: I will say this, watching that game, I was over
Speaker 4: at the stadium, Anthony Weaver. Some of the coverage looks
Speaker 4: he was given the Rams and tricking him at the
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage. And you heard Stafford talk about, you know,
Speaker 4: some of the simulated pressures. It was a game plan
Speaker 4: of a lifetime. It was fantastic. But the Patriots are
Speaker 4: physical football team, right, We'll see. I think the Rams
Speaker 4: are going to have to run the ball some We
Speaker 4: don't know what the weather's going to be.
Speaker 7: Like.
Speaker 4: My big thing is that Rams defensive front is Jared Verse.
Speaker 4: We've talked about it before. He is fantastic, young, fantastic.
Speaker 4: They're gonna be all over Drake may against this offensive line.
Speaker 4: I mean you heard you heard. Why am I blank
Speaker 4: on the head? Coach uh dried Mayo for the Pagequan say, hey,
Speaker 4: this would be great to have the offensive line Paige
Speaker 4: together for the second consecutive game.
Speaker 2: Might not be against the group.
Speaker 3: It's actually no one news in there. So yeah.
Speaker 4: But the Rams, I mean they're looking therefore or five
Speaker 4: man front looks were fantastic and they can really really put.
Speaker 2: Pressure on the QB.
Speaker 5: The next collection of offensive lineman that they play will
Speaker 5: be the twelfth unique combination of offensive lineman and that
Speaker 5: would put them in the league. They're currently tied with
Speaker 5: the Bears, the Browns and the Saints for the most
Speaker 5: combinations and starting offensive line.
Speaker 3: A couple of their starters weren't in the league at
Speaker 3: the start of.
Speaker 2: This No, they got some guys off the street.
Speaker 3: They have they have played a little better.
Speaker 1: Although dried Mayo like sometimes he just says things that
Speaker 1: like he said on Wednesday, you know, he trying to
Speaker 1: big up his coach out Van Pelt and he's like, hey, like,
Speaker 1: no one deserves more credit for how Drake You know,
Speaker 1: Drake may is playing than Alex Van Pelt And I'm like,
Speaker 1: are you high man?
Speaker 3: Like this is one of the worst offenses in the
Speaker 3: league right now.
Speaker 1: Let's not like spend the week patting Alex Van Pelt
Speaker 1: on the back because Drake may is playing pretty well.
Speaker 1: It's mostly just Drake May. I'm not giving their offensive
Speaker 1: scheme any of the credit.
Speaker 2: Avp was the Browns oc last year and he got
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco going.
Speaker 3: Okay, come on man, Yeah, I'm not seeing it.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe is who we thought Dave Kanalis was, Greg
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not seeing it. I'm seeing I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing a young quarterback who's making a lot of
Speaker 1: impressive plays on He's going to be a good player.
Speaker 1: But like I said, I thought he was maybe maybe
Speaker 1: his worst game if just play for play was against
Speaker 1: the Bears, which makes sense.
Speaker 3: It's a good pass defense and everything.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 5: We're watching his scramble late score to Ramondre Stevenson where he.
Speaker 2: Had forty seven seconds.
Speaker 5: Then in Alex Van Pelt's defense, he did have Hunter
Speaker 5: Henry open early in that play, drake Man went on
Speaker 5: an adventure and later apologized for not hitting him. But
Speaker 5: going back to Jared Versu and Braden fisk Man, they've
Speaker 5: generated seventy one pressures as a duo this season. You
Speaker 5: go back through ten weeks in the past seven seasons,
Speaker 5: no other rookie duo has done that.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: An incredible draft for the Rams who got a long
Speaker 5: time without having picks that early. They hit on both
Speaker 5: of them. But issues in this I mean talk about
Speaker 5: issues in the secondary. That's for games against a different team,
Speaker 5: that's for games against the Miami Dolphins. It's just tough
Speaker 5: to imagine them going into Foxborough.
Speaker 1: I don't know their floor is so much higher because
Speaker 1: of their defense. I do have concerns about their offense
Speaker 1: and just something's missing. Stafford's not having his best season.
Speaker 1: The running game is much more inconsistent than you would
Speaker 1: expect out of the Rams, and New England might get
Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger back. They made some changes in their defense
Speaker 1: where John Jones, Jonathan Jones has been there forever, he's
Speaker 1: now the guy who is in the life going how
Speaker 1: we feel about a Pittriot's victory? Oh yeah, you know
Speaker 1: how they do that. They were still doing that from Belichick,
Speaker 1: but now that's Jonathan Jones who's doing that. He was
Speaker 1: playing safety last week and it kind of cleaned things up.
Speaker 1: They're playing a little better up front, so defensively, I
Speaker 1: think they'll play well. But man, I don't think this
Speaker 1: Patriots offense is going to get much of that.
Speaker 4: And get some quick passes off like the Dolphins. We
Speaker 4: saw the Rams were not tackling great stuff like that.
Speaker 1: One note Jordan Rodrieg said when she was in the
Speaker 1: office was, you know, Jonah Jackson came in off ir
Speaker 1: and they kind of rushed him back into playing center
Speaker 1: and that was where a lot of the problems happened
Speaker 1: last week. Communication the line calls pressure. So that's just
Speaker 1: something to watch that didn't really work out for them
Speaker 1: last week.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 5: We'll go from a new England Patriots team where Greg
Speaker 5: is concerned about the offense and the offensive coordinator to
Speaker 5: the Chicago Bears, who fired Shane Waldron earlier this week.
Speaker 5: They or five and a half point underdogs at home
Speaker 5: against the Green Bay Packers, coming off of their by
Speaker 5: Kevin Burkhardt, Tom Brady, Aaron Andrews and Tom Ronaldi on
Speaker 5: the call, Steve, what do you think.
Speaker 2: The new look Chicago Bears will be?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 2: Wow? First off, that five and a half numbers too
Speaker 2: small for me. It'll be aching.
Speaker 4: I know Thomas Brown well, I mean I actually covered
Speaker 4: him when I worked in Atlanta when he was a
Speaker 4: running back University of Georgia.
Speaker 3: And this wow.
Speaker 2: And this is a guy who has had experience.
Speaker 4: Sean mcvaigh thought very highly of me coach running backs
Speaker 4: with the Rams and tight ends with the Rams was
Speaker 4: the assistant head coach.
Speaker 2: And that's where I think is going to get this
Speaker 2: offense too.
Speaker 4: I think whether it's it's throwing it or running the
Speaker 4: football with the running backs and getting the tight ends
Speaker 4: more involved to get Caleb and tempo. When did this
Speaker 4: offense actually function well when they played tempo? They sped
Speaker 4: it up. They know huddled, they got into a rhythm
Speaker 4: and then it's just all over the place. It worked
Speaker 4: for a couple of games and then Shane Waldron, Shane
Speaker 4: Waldron like, get away from it. Get this guy, get
Speaker 4: Cole komet going, let him be your primary target a lot.
Speaker 4: Let that set things up. The only problem is they're
Speaker 4: going up against the pack coming off. I mean, they
Speaker 4: could be playing catch up real quick, and that's not
Speaker 4: where you want Caleb to be. But I think Thomas
Speaker 4: Brown will keep the more steady. It's gonna be more
Speaker 4: of a run gate, a running back tight end centric
Speaker 4: offense may not be music to DJ Moore, but this
Speaker 4: could free him up a little bit. I don't expect
Speaker 4: a radical change, especially this week, because they're facing the pack.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You don't get the fired coach bounced with the coordinator, no,
Speaker 1: because you can say he's Shane Waldron. Shade Waldron's put
Speaker 1: a lot of tape out there and numbers as an
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, and they've all been pretty good, like better
Speaker 1: than league average to Lee Adrid and what metric I'm
Speaker 1: saying with Seattle and the Rams in the past, like
Speaker 1: I'm saying, he's run offenses that were competent, that were fine.
Speaker 2: He didn't run him in LA.
Speaker 1: The consistency is Matt Eberflus. Matt Eberflus has been there
Speaker 1: for a minute and all those offenses stink. And you
Speaker 1: can say, oh, he's a defensive coach, it's not his fault.
Speaker 1: He's saying I meet with Caleb every day. Maybe stop bro,
Speaker 1: because all you're like, hey, we can't turn the ball over.
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at like, just we're gonna play to
Speaker 1: the defense. Caleb hasn't thrown an interception for three straight games.
Speaker 1: How's that going for you? He doesn't make a play,
Speaker 1: he doesn't make a decision. He just sits back there
Speaker 1: and waits. The pass rush for the Patriots wasn't even
Speaker 1: that good in that game. There were moments, certainly in
Speaker 1: the second half as it got worse and worse, where
Speaker 1: they were dominating. But in the first half of that game,
Speaker 1: a lot of it's just him standing there and he's good,
Speaker 1: and then he's looking over. Okay, my primary read is
Speaker 1: not there. Oh, who's how about my secondary read? Oh,
Speaker 1: there's Dj Moore just loafing out there, just kind of
Speaker 1: running around. There's Keenan Allen looking a little washed, like
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of backups on the offensive line.
Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't know if a coordinator
Speaker 1: change can fix it. But to me, eber Flus is
Speaker 1: the consistent of it. That's the original sin they should have.
Speaker 1: They should have, they should have changed it before this
Speaker 1: season started.
Speaker 2: With not a person in a league who won't tell
Speaker 2: you otherwise.
Speaker 3: Sorry for that rant.
Speaker 2: No, it's nice right on, nothing to apologize for.
Speaker 5: They do get Cole comment because he had he had
Speaker 5: one target against the Commanders, no targets against Arizona.
Speaker 2: I guess Shane Waldron had.
Speaker 5: Gotten Kaylob's here and he's like, hey, load up, load
Speaker 5: up eighty five so I can try to keep my job.
Speaker 5: He got four targets, caught two of them. Apparently that
Speaker 5: wasn't necessarily enough. And over on the other side, it's
Speaker 5: just this defense still a good defense, but they've just
Speaker 5: had to deal with their offense doing next to nothing
Speaker 5: for several weeks. And here comes a healthier Jordan Love
Speaker 5: with a chance to come back after the bye in
Speaker 5: a Packers team in a good division. Things are all
Speaker 5: good in one place and they're all bad in another.
Speaker 5: It feels like unless Chicago can really pull the right
Speaker 5: off a miracle, it's going to continue to stay that way.
Speaker 1: I'm banging on Matt Eberflys, I mean, and you can
Speaker 1: say that his defense, like, they're still a good defense,
Speaker 1: thirtieth in the NFL in DVOA in terms of their
Speaker 1: rush defense.
Speaker 2: Which is crazy. They led the NFL on rush defense life.
Speaker 3: So you know what's going to happen on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs with those duo runs and that well coordinated
Speaker 1: Packers offensive line, they're not happy. They kind of got
Speaker 1: they got their stuffed into the locker by the lines
Speaker 1: the last time they played, and now they're coming off
Speaker 1: a week off.
Speaker 3: They need this win.
Speaker 1: They're just gonna run straight through this Bears team. And
Speaker 1: I'm with you, well over five and a half, let's
Speaker 1: take another break. We're gonna come back. We're going to
Speaker 1: talk about one of the weirdest seven and two teams
Speaker 1: of my life.
Speaker 3: Back on NFL Daily.
Speaker 1: I wonder if during the commercial break, people are bringing
Speaker 1: up the NFL dot com standings and thinking like, who
Speaker 1: is the weirdest seven and two team of our lifetime?
Speaker 2: Who do you think it is?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, we have some options here, okay, and
Speaker 5: the lifetime consider we want to have to weirdess, they said.
Speaker 5: There have been some things that have happened for the
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four Minnesota Vikings, who were a six point
Speaker 5: favorite on the road against Will Levis and the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 5: Greg spiro DDAs, Adam Archoletta and Adida Kikwalla on the call.
Speaker 2: The over under a firm solid thirty nine and a half.
Speaker 5: Points, as Tennessee did score in their limited opportunities against
Speaker 5: the Chargers Sam Darnold coming off a three interception game.
Speaker 2: Could this be closer than the experts think at six?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: With the Titans at home, I thought Will Levis had
Speaker 1: his best game of the season. That's a low bar,
Speaker 1: but he played fine. I think when he threw the
Speaker 1: ball it went where he wanted it to throw. He
Speaker 1: had a couple of nice plays. They pushed the ball
Speaker 1: down the field a couple times. They thought their defense
Speaker 1: was gonna be carrying them this year, and that just
Speaker 1: hasn't happened because they give up a lot of yards
Speaker 1: through the air. And that's why I don't really think
Speaker 1: they have much of a chance to win this game,
Speaker 1: because with Hockinson back.
Speaker 3: This offense is just so varied.
Speaker 1: They're getting a lot of good production that the Vikings
Speaker 1: are out of Josh Oliver. And yeah, Donald fritzed out
Speaker 1: a couple of times, as as he's known to do,
Speaker 1: but they they're moving the ball like on a play
Speaker 1: to play basis. I don't think it was a terrible
Speaker 1: game for Donald outside those interceptions. And man, if you
Speaker 1: have two tight ends both producing. Josh Oliver, like I said,
Speaker 1: has had a lot of big catches, yeah, and you
Speaker 1: have Addison Naylor's like, this is a dynamic passing attack
Speaker 1: and this is one of the worst pass defenses in
Speaker 1: the NFL by the numbers of the Titans.
Speaker 3: So it's a pretty big missman.
Speaker 4: And they can't score. I mean, this is a team
Speaker 4: where Brian Florest can warm them up. I mean, they've
Speaker 4: got just so many guys. Hopefully we get another Cam
Speaker 4: buying them ray Gun touchdown televisions.
Speaker 3: Well, he mixes it up, he changes it time.
Speaker 2: That one went MiG so he's not he's not going
Speaker 2: to duplicate it.
Speaker 3: He did the parent trap. I mean, Cam buying him
Speaker 3: is sneaky star of the season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, man, that was so good because Ray
Speaker 4: Guns is retired. Was a sad day in the break
Speaker 4: dancing world. I don't know if look this this is
Speaker 4: on the number six is fine. I mean Tennessee, you know,
Speaker 4: both coast countin horseshoes. They're a for efforting in it
Speaker 4: right now. I mean, I look on they're not tanking it.
Speaker 4: But the Vikings understand what's happened. Detroit is starting to
Speaker 4: pull away. They see green Bay coming off the by.
Speaker 4: They know what they'll tighten. U Kevin O'Connell, get them
Speaker 4: right right.
Speaker 1: The Titans offense has allowed a league high forty three
Speaker 1: percent pressure rate this season, including fifty three point six
Speaker 1: against the Blitz.
Speaker 3: That's also a league high.
Speaker 1: So a team that gives up more pressure than any
Speaker 1: against the Blitz with Will Levis at quarterback and Brian
Speaker 1: Flores coordinating the other team seems like trouble. And the
Speaker 1: Vikings are getting a little healthier on defense lately too.
Speaker 1: They had Blake Cashman returned last week and really helped them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, in that metric, it's number eight against number thirty two,
Speaker 5: So congratulations to the Titans offensive line. On the bright side,
Speaker 5: since Nuke got traded, Calvin Ridley is seen as target
Speaker 5: rate increase from twenty point three percent to thirty two
Speaker 5: point three percent. You had those two touchdowns where you
Speaker 5: go back a few weeks ago and he had a
Speaker 5: prefer they lace tired about not being involved in the offense.
Speaker 5: It turns out swearing it is good and it gives
Speaker 5: you opportunities.
Speaker 2: He played well. It's just which Titans team are we
Speaker 2: gonna get?
Speaker 5: Are we gonna get the defense that fantasy wise only
Speaker 5: allowed one top ten quarterback in the first five weeks
Speaker 5: to three out of the last four weeks for Tennessee
Speaker 5: where it has not been that good.
Speaker 1: And it's such an advantage for these NFC North teams
Speaker 1: to play the AFC South out of division this year
Speaker 1: because we look at the Vikings last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: Those are a couple of ugly wins. That Colts win
Speaker 1: that was ugly, Jaguars win that's ugly, but they all count.
Speaker 1: And if you look at the Vikings schedule, they just
Speaker 1: got to keep winning these types of games. They're gonna
Speaker 1: get to eleven wins without even beating other good teams.
Speaker 1: And if you can just get some of those wins,
Speaker 1: I mean they get to twelve to thirteen, which is
Speaker 1: really crazy if you think about it.
Speaker 4: I mean they might have to though when you look
Speaker 4: at some of the other divisions. Now, okay, there could
Speaker 4: be a waldcard coming out of the NFC East. We
Speaker 4: didn't necessarily see that a couple of weeks ago. Right,
Speaker 4: It could either you know, Philly or Washington. There could
Speaker 4: be a wild card coming out of the nc West.
Speaker 2: Like it's you know, it's.
Speaker 3: Possible, but I I know it's early, and I mean
Speaker 3: they're gonna get wrong.
Speaker 1: It does feel like three teams in the North get
Speaker 1: in and two teams in the East your playoffs.
Speaker 4: They've got to play each other. I mean there's gonna
Speaker 4: be some campibalism in there too. That's why Minnesota has
Speaker 4: got to show up. Now is not the time to
Speaker 4: have a clunker.
Speaker 5: Speaking of the NFC West, Steve, let's get to Seattle
Speaker 5: Seahawks on the road at the San Francisco forty nine Ers,
Speaker 5: who survived a bad Jake Moody kicking game with a
Speaker 5: Jake Moody game winner six and a half point favorites
Speaker 5: against the Seahawks, who have lost, is that five of
Speaker 5: their last six games beat the Falcons. The only thing
Speaker 5: keeping them from a six game losing streak, Greg, Can
Speaker 5: they get back in this hunt in this tight division
Speaker 5: with a win on the road in Santa Clair.
Speaker 3: Probably not.
Speaker 1: What a tough week for them to come off the
Speaker 1: by a game they really need to have to play
Speaker 1: in Santa Clara. This has been the matchup in the
Speaker 1: Gino Smith era, and even before that, the Seahawks just
Speaker 1: could never figure out under Pete Carroll.
Speaker 3: In that first matchup.
Speaker 1: We were in London at the time, so we did
Speaker 1: not watch it live Steve Weisch, but Seattle San Francisco
Speaker 1: that Thursday night was so similar to all the other
Speaker 1: Seattle it just felt like a redo where they're not
Speaker 1: tough enough and they've made changes. They get rid of
Speaker 1: Tyroll Dotson, their starting linebacker. They're green dot player who's
Speaker 1: played almost every snap this year is suddenly not even
Speaker 1: on the team anymore. They're going to change up how
Speaker 1: they do things. So I am curious kind of how
Speaker 1: they come out of their by and what changes, because
Speaker 1: this is why you hired Mike McDonald. He was supposed
Speaker 1: to be the Shanahan Tree stopper. He did a good job.
Speaker 1: I thought against the Rams before the bye that was
Speaker 1: maybe their most encouraging defensive game almost of the whole season.
Speaker 1: They end up losing it, but they played well enough
Speaker 1: to win on defense. It's a tough match, but they
Speaker 1: always look like a team that's just not as physical
Speaker 1: as the forty nine ers, and they happen to catch
Speaker 1: them when Christian McCaffrey is back in the mix.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the six and a half number is big.
Speaker 4: I think it's a tighter game just because it is
Speaker 4: what it is and San Francisco getting McCaffrey back, I
Speaker 4: know it was a first game last week gets a tough,
Speaker 4: you know, Buccaneers team.
Speaker 2: They still they're still just not there yet.
Speaker 4: Like I think in two weeks from now, San Francisco
Speaker 4: can really start rolling offensively.
Speaker 2: I think Seattle understands like this is it like they've
Speaker 2: got a man up. They've got to show up or
Speaker 2: else it's going.
Speaker 4: To get sideways real quick with the rest of the division,
Speaker 4: especially Arizona playing the way it is playing as well.
Speaker 4: So Arizona has raised the stakes for everybody in the
Speaker 4: NFC West. I think Seattle will come out and play
Speaker 4: a pretty good game. They're not going to win, but
Speaker 4: I think the six and a half number might be big.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's an opportunity where h Mike McDonald optimistic
Speaker 5: about DK Metcalfs return.
Speaker 2: The Seahawks have needed him back.
Speaker 5: The forty nine Ers traditionally do all they can to
Speaker 5: bother DK, trying to get in his head, but the
Speaker 5: most impactful aspect of that is the way he's covered
Speaker 5: uh and they have done a good job with DK
Speaker 5: in the past.
Speaker 2: The Seahawks offense has seen some changes.
Speaker 5: We got more prominent Jackson Smith and Jigma during h
Speaker 5: DK's points time out, and so perhaps that's an opportunity
Speaker 5: for some positivity there and the by giving them a
Speaker 5: chance to to come back and do things differently defensive
Speaker 5: than the first time they had this matchup. It's but
Speaker 5: it's a it's a it's almost a healthy forty nine
Speaker 5: Ers team. Ricky Piersoll coming in on the way up.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. That's a great call of Patrick.
Speaker 5: Here they are again, Greg, as he pointed out, forty
Speaker 5: nine Ers after the buy going on a run hole
Speaker 5: he had dumb dumb.
Speaker 1: Every year, right, Like, yeah, Jennings really played the X
Speaker 1: last week that you know. Instead it like they had
Speaker 1: debo in a little bit of a different role, and
Speaker 1: Juwan Jennings maybe is the guy who's going to get
Speaker 1: a lot of receptions and targets down the stretch. He's
Speaker 1: someone I think could have a big close to the
Speaker 1: season now that he's healthier and they rework their offense,
Speaker 1: and McCaffrey really helps so much in the passing game.
Speaker 1: It's obvious he's a good runner, but he's one of
Speaker 1: the best pass protecting running backs I've ever seen, and
Speaker 1: he's so good as a receiver that it really helps
Speaker 1: unlock I think everyone else. So that it's gonna be
Speaker 1: tough for Seattle. They just have to avoid on offense
Speaker 1: negative plays on first and second down. I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: this stat that Ben Solak from ESPN sent out the Steelers.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Seahawks right now on third down faced
Speaker 1: the longest average distance of any NFL team since nineteen.
Speaker 2: Eighty No way, no way.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. And it's because of these negative runs.
Speaker 1: It's because of these sacks. It's partly because there's such
Speaker 1: a inexplosive offense there that they don't even get to
Speaker 1: third down when things go well, like they're just hitting
Speaker 1: big plays, but when they do I'm shocked they're even
Speaker 1: the worst in the NFL this year. Like, wow, they're
Speaker 1: worse than the Panther.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think a team like that.
Speaker 1: They're the worst since nineteen eighty and that's when ESPN
Speaker 1: Stats and Info started keeping track, So for all we know.
Speaker 3: They're the worst one ever.
Speaker 2: Well, they also have two thirty yard losses.
Speaker 1: In there, right, But so what it's like, that's that's
Speaker 1: still just a couple of plays, Like in one of
Speaker 1: those one of those losses, they actually got it back
Speaker 1: to third and nine. I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: They keep having those like the ball goes over Gino's
Speaker 1: head and stuff.
Speaker 2: But you see it if they memory poll by you, Greg.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, very The Seahawks games they stick
Speaker 1: in my head, man, the like the ken Walker negative
Speaker 1: six runs and the sacks and.
Speaker 4: But still, I mean, I mean, just to I would
Speaker 4: think a team like Jacksonville, it has all these freaking
Speaker 4: holding penalties or something like that on situations like that,
Speaker 4: would be one of those teams.
Speaker 2: This is that's a mind blowing.
Speaker 1: Number if they come out and they lose a close game.
Speaker 1: But it looks like two pretty even teams that'll actually
Speaker 1: show me something that they're a little different, because I
Speaker 1: maybe it's the fan in me coming out, but I
Speaker 1: I worry for them in this spot. So show me something, Mike.
Speaker 2: That's a good, that's a good. If not a victory,
Speaker 2: get a moral.
Speaker 3: Victory, I'll take it.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm not I'm not a real fan that
Speaker 1: because I would take a moral victory.
Speaker 5: Let's go to a team that hasn't had any victories
Speaker 5: moral or otherwise. The Dallas Cowboys playing host to the
Speaker 5: Houston Texans, coming off of that heartbreaker to the Lions.
Speaker 5: Seven and a half point favorites, and it's Monday Night football.
Speaker 5: Joe Buck, Troy Aikman, Lisa Salters, So we won't have
Speaker 5: to worry about our stellar neighbor, that bright object ninety
Speaker 5: three million miles away being an issue A touchdown away.
Speaker 2: Steve So, I guess there's that going for him. Can
Speaker 2: they beat the Texans?
Speaker 4: No? No, And that's seven and a half numbers plenty good.
Speaker 4: I mean, Houston just they know now where they have
Speaker 4: to be. They have got to start winning to ball games.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is the point. If they're going to
Speaker 4: be a player in the AFC, they've got to start
Speaker 4: playing well. Defensively, they've been fine and that's where they're
Speaker 4: you know, they're gonna win this game. I mean, the
Speaker 4: way their insire linebackers played, They're gonna get pressure on
Speaker 4: Connor Orr or Trey Lance or whomever the Cowboys trot
Speaker 4: out there.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: Look, offensively, they still gonna have their issues. We did
Speaker 4: see Dallas show up a little bit, you know, on
Speaker 4: defense last week. But Houston, their defense, I think is
Speaker 4: really gonna have to turn a corner. Still don't know
Speaker 4: if Will Anderson's gonna be back, but again, the way
Speaker 4: this guy's in a secondary and inside linebackers play, I
Speaker 4: think that's what's gonna get them over the hump and
Speaker 4: they're gonna beat that points one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, show me something with your run blocking, with your
Speaker 1: their early down runs, they've become very predictable Houston. A
Speaker 1: lot of first second down runs and then they're in
Speaker 1: a third and eight, similar to what Seattle's been going through.
Speaker 3: I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I thought that Cowboys defense in the first half of
Speaker 1: the Eagles game played as well as I've seen them
Speaker 1: play in a long time. Funny how when you insert
Speaker 1: one of the best defensive players I've ever seen into
Speaker 1: the lineup that that they get a lot better. But
Speaker 1: they really did look good, Like it took the Eagles
Speaker 1: got like seven first half possessions to get that second touchdown,
Speaker 1: and they had you know, they were playing hard and
Speaker 1: then then the roof fell in a little bit.
Speaker 3: But Overshowing's playing great.
Speaker 1: Sounds like he's gonna be healthy enough to play in
Speaker 1: this game and they might get Deron Bland back for
Speaker 1: this game on Monday night. So defensively, I actually think
Speaker 1: they could ugly it up Collins this game. That's a
Speaker 1: huge one that that changes the offense. Our friend Seth Payne,
Speaker 1: who is on the show, has pointed out over and
Speaker 1: over like like, I know the offensive line is bad,
Speaker 1: but if you put Nico Collins in, the offensive line
Speaker 1: will look better, you know, because c J.
Speaker 3: Stadd will just be getting the ball to his guy,
Speaker 3: Nico Collins.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know who leads the Houston Texans and the
Speaker 5: receiving yards this season despite not having played since Week.
Speaker 2: Five, it's still Nico Collins.
Speaker 5: And I think the other as we saw John Metchi
Speaker 5: again all congratulations, great coming back from having his breakout
Speaker 5: game getting the end zone for the first time on
Speaker 5: Sunday Night football.
Speaker 2: A lot to look forward to there.
Speaker 5: I just I'm gonna need forty five passing yards in
Speaker 5: the game for the past for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3: And Cooper Rush is starting again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, here we are.
Speaker 4: But they've told us what they think of Trey Lance then,
Speaker 4: but I mean Trey Lance came in the game, they
Speaker 4: got some positive yards.
Speaker 5: Then Cooper Rush came back in and immediately fumbles. He
Speaker 5: goes to turnover back to the Philadelphia Eagles. Everything's a
Speaker 5: mess there. So seven and a half feels feel solid
Speaker 5: to me.
Speaker 3: Okay, should we do our survivor pick real quick?
Speaker 2: Before we do it?
Speaker 4: Is this you know? Now last year Bobby Slowick was
Speaker 4: the whiz kid, and yeah, we're questioning what you just
Speaker 4: talked about, the early predictable rundowns, Like, is he really
Speaker 4: that that craven O sass?
Speaker 2: You know, this is the OC pick pick on the OC.
Speaker 3: Show that happens.
Speaker 1: I believe we give too much credit and I do
Speaker 1: it as much as anyone, So I'm putting myself in
Speaker 1: this like we give too much credit and too much
Speaker 1: blame to the coordinators.
Speaker 3: It's just sort of the move we always do.
Speaker 1: If you have a good year, coordinators go get hired
Speaker 1: and interview around and I don't know, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of variants, a lot of luck to it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Slowick hasn't been great despite that. I mean
Speaker 3: last week we went against the Cowboys with the Eagles.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's just keep it rolling.
Speaker 2: I rolling.
Speaker 5: I do not want to hear about Cooper Rush's five
Speaker 5: and one stretch in twenty twenty one ever again.
Speaker 2: I will gladly Greg.
Speaker 1: Okay sign on to make this our survivoral Eric behind
Speaker 1: the glass, Eric Roberts doing a great job, did go
Speaker 1: back and track it. We've hit all of our Survivor
Speaker 1: picks after we started off bad, Patrick miss one, then
Speaker 1: I missed one week two, and we decided to restart
Speaker 1: as a team in week three.
Speaker 3: We've hit them all and the Lions actually have not
Speaker 3: been used. And they play the Jaguars this week.
Speaker 2: They got to save it. We'll save them.
Speaker 1: But I think let's save them. I think just fading
Speaker 1: the Cowboys is a good move. Let's let's go Texans.
Speaker 5: If we want to finish this thing out, Yes, let's
Speaker 5: get going to keep the timeouts in the bag.
Speaker 3: And Okay, see how things going, let's get Let's go Texans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to our next game.
Speaker 5: The Miami Dolphins, coming off of a win on the
Speaker 5: West Coast, are back at home as the Las Vegas
Speaker 5: Raiders off of the bye seven and a half point
Speaker 5: dogs forty for the over under Tom McCarthy, J Feeley,
Speaker 5: Ross Tucker, and our friend Tiffany Blackman on the call.
Speaker 5: Greg Miami showed us a little something, especially defensively against
Speaker 5: the Los Angeles Rams.
Speaker 2: How are they gonna do against the Raiders off the ball?
Speaker 3: I think they'll do well.
Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see if Anthony Weaver in this
Speaker 1: defense is starting to build something, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because they've they've not been great most of the season.
Speaker 3: No, but that was a fantastic performance.
Speaker 1: Sometimes a new defensive coordinator takes a little while for
Speaker 1: it to get going. The schedules tourney in their favor
Speaker 1: now coming up, including this matchup. Gardner Minshew is starting
Speaker 1: for the Raiders. There was some question. There actually was
Speaker 1: even some light reporting that it was going to be
Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter, and I think they lost their stomach for it.
Speaker 2: I'm still questioning it in general.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: This Raiders team, Scott Turner's first game as offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: They have some of the worst rushing stats of any
Speaker 1: team this century. So he'll try to turn that running
Speaker 1: game around some historical you know, yeah, you dropped like
Speaker 1: in my lifetime twice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ever seen once and now in this century since
Speaker 4: nine eighty made it appearance, this was yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's epa per rush. They have the
Speaker 1: worst number since since two thousand. They're the Raiders.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, and just know Miami's offense is
Speaker 4: just getting ready to hit. You know, they're they're trying
Speaker 4: to help you. So, I mean they're trying. They're they're
Speaker 4: using their running backs a lot. I mean, you're not
Speaker 4: seeing a guy with a hot hand kind of stick
Speaker 4: with the ball. They're rolling a chn and most shirt
Speaker 4: and right twenty five they're rolling them through instead of
Speaker 4: I just think they're getting ready. You know, their offensive
Speaker 4: line there there's a big concern in the right tackle
Speaker 4: with Austin Jackson going on. Ir they are really they know,
Speaker 4: there's some certain things we have to do, and the
Speaker 4: one is get the ball out quickly. But in this game,
Speaker 4: right here, a seven and a half is plenty. I mean,
Speaker 4: the Raiders are just right now. They're a mess, but
Speaker 4: I think Miami is this win right here, I think
Speaker 4: made them feel pretty good about their talent. We know,
Speaker 4: if they can play up to their talent, very very
Speaker 4: dangerous football team. It made me feel good about their
Speaker 4: talent because it's tough.
Speaker 5: I was trying to go back and remember a game
Speaker 5: where we saw to a tongue of Aoloa under pressure
Speaker 5: as he was like that on the road and the
Speaker 5: Dolphins still winning. Nonetheless, a lot of that was the defense,
Speaker 5: a lot of it was Jason Sanders and ain't that
Speaker 5: Colletch kick late in the game. But despite all the
Speaker 5: pressure that, they still look serviceable offense, and they made
Speaker 5: plays and they had big plays a couple of them
Speaker 5: as well. Where you know, this this Raiders team, I
Speaker 5: don't know what changes on the buy.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Max Crosby gets some time off perhaps, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that could help that that helps.
Speaker 1: Jakobe Myers helped them when he came back into the lineup,
Speaker 1: that he really made a big difference for them. Man,
Speaker 1: this Raiders team, it's sad they are the least interesting
Speaker 1: team in the NFL. I was thinking about this and
Speaker 1: for a race. Even when the Raiders are bad, I
Speaker 1: always thought they were kind of interesting. Antonio Pierce is interesting,
Speaker 1: like as of just a personality. But I would actually say,
Speaker 1: like if I could, like they they are the lead,
Speaker 1: They're the most under the radar, Like I just don't
Speaker 1: really want to watch them team just about in the NFL.
Speaker 1: You could throw the Titans in there, I guess, but
Speaker 1: like for a Raiders team to be that team, that's sad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, Max Crosby, you know, you love
Speaker 4: because he's he's one of the you know, the better
Speaker 4: best I'll say, one of the best defensive players in
Speaker 4: the NFL. But he's like Nanda Austin waet Nondi had
Speaker 4: all those great years with the Raiders and never played
Speaker 4: on a team with a winning record. And that's the
Speaker 4: direction that Max Crosby's head in, you know, with his career.
Speaker 4: Salute to him, he's take he's gonna handsomely compensated. He's
Speaker 4: mister Las Vegas. He's going nowhere, you know, Salute to
Speaker 4: him for not saying, get me out of here. But man,
Speaker 4: I just don't know, even looking at future years, if
Speaker 4: they get a quarterback, you know, is ap going to
Speaker 4: be around like this. This team still has a lot
Speaker 4: of turnover to get some competitive players on that roster.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a big game for the Every game
Speaker 1: is a big game for the Dolphins. At this point,
Speaker 1: six losses, you can get back in the AFC playoff picture.
Speaker 1: It's a big for our Thanksgiving Night podcasts, which I
Speaker 1: think I'm planning to do this year because that doesn't
Speaker 1: that schedule doesn't look great. But Dolphins, if they're coming
Speaker 1: in on a three game winning streak against the Packers,
Speaker 1: that's a good nightcap for the Thanksgiving slate. So I
Speaker 1: want them to get to that game on a three
Speaker 1: game winning streak, and you gotta win this one the
Speaker 1: second game of that streak to make.
Speaker 4: It happens the best one since the century.
Speaker 5: Patrick, I'll hop on to that because the middle game
Speaker 5: on Thanksgiving is gonna need to pick me up because
Speaker 5: we're gonna get the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, and potentially Cooper
Speaker 5: Rush again on that one. But speaking of Thanksgiving, let's
Speaker 5: wrap today up with that. Kevin Harland, Trent Green and
Speaker 5: the crew on the call for Mac Jones and the
Speaker 5: Jacksonville Jaguars on the road against the Detroit Lions, where
Speaker 5: they are thirteen point favorite Steve with an over under
Speaker 5: a forty seven A Jared Goff get right game after
Speaker 5: five picks in Houston.
Speaker 2: Yep, Okay, yeah, Jered Goff get right game.
Speaker 4: Look, this is one where Detroit could very easily kind
Speaker 4: of sleepwalk a little bit, and that thirteen number might
Speaker 4: be big. I mean, they're not gonna lose this game,
Speaker 4: you know, even if Jerry Goff throws those types of interceptions,
Speaker 4: because Jacksonville just can't I mean, they can't do enough
Speaker 4: consistently right on both sides of the ball offensively and
Speaker 4: defensively to get past what Detroit offers, especially if Detroit
Speaker 4: runs the ball.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the Lions check that box.
Speaker 1: I think they're in a perfect spot to cover the
Speaker 1: thirteen and maybe make it thirty because they're so well
Speaker 1: coached and I think are so focused and hungry that
Speaker 1: it's like they're coming off a loss, you know. I
Speaker 1: say great teams respond well to a loss. I think
Speaker 1: they'll feel like we did not play our best last week.
Speaker 1: We can't let that happen again. We're gonna be ready
Speaker 1: to go in front of our home crowd and we're
Speaker 1: playing Mac Jones with one of the best secondaries in
Speaker 1: the league. It's amazing how these two teams I'm thinking
Speaker 1: out them together and they could be in the NFC Championship,
Speaker 1: the Eagles in the Lions. What was the problem last
Speaker 1: year for both these teams their defensive backfields? What did
Speaker 1: their front offices attack, attack, attack all off season in personnel,
Speaker 1: defensive backfield, secondary, And it's the secondary that makes the
Speaker 1: Lions special. I mean, Mac Jones isn't going to get
Speaker 1: anything done against this team. It's just no way, right.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe Travis etm But they're a good run
Speaker 1: defense too, like because one of the reasons is they
Speaker 1: they're so good in the back end is they don't
Speaker 1: they don't send extra guys. Even without Hutchinson, you get
Speaker 1: Zidaria Smith playing in this game, I'm going forty one
Speaker 1: to seven, Like, forget this game.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 5: Let's go all right, that's a significant forty one to seven.
Speaker 5: H even not even Garbagetan points. When did they get
Speaker 5: the seven? That could be the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: Actually get it early. It's seven to seven, and then
Speaker 1: the Lions take that person.
Speaker 2: This might be the biggest differential in this century.
Speaker 1: That might be the biggest number we've seen all year.
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for We're mid those.
Speaker 3: Let's get to it.
Speaker 1: There was another big one last time. It's time to
Speaker 1: start having big numbers. It's it's there's a lot of
Speaker 1: dead teams. One new news item in this game, Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson said he was optimistic Trevor Lawrence will return after
Speaker 1: the bye, which is interesting because there was some reporting,
Speaker 1: I believe from our network that he could be out
Speaker 1: for the season. When that happens, just having worked in
Speaker 1: the business, you do wonder, like where is the information
Speaker 1: coming from? Like Dak Prescott, for instance, to use a
Speaker 1: different example, spoke with CBS Tracy Wolfson over the weekend.
Speaker 1: She was like he and he said, I was a
Speaker 1: little surprised. I wasn't put on IR yet and it
Speaker 1: was like going back and forth of like is he
Speaker 1: out for the season?
Speaker 7: Is he not?
Speaker 3: And sometimes there's you know, different agendas going on.
Speaker 1: So you do wonder what Doug puts that out publicly
Speaker 1: that he's optimistic Trevor Lawrence is coming back, but we
Speaker 1: heard from another report that Trevor Lawrence might be out
Speaker 1: for the season, and who's mate. I'm just curious just
Speaker 1: something to watch. I don't know, you know what I'm get, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I know what you're getting. I remember it's like
Speaker 1: maybe the agent or maybe that some part of the
Speaker 1: team thinks it'd be better for Trevor long term to
Speaker 1: just start that process now, and if they get a
Speaker 1: higher draft pick, so be it. And Doug Peterson wants
Speaker 1: to win games. I don't know, like you know, all
Speaker 1: of that happens, right I don't know if it's happening here,
Speaker 1: but it just makes you think about it.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, ultimately, I do remember Ian quote tweeting Jake
Speaker 5: Rudin who said that he's hearing that Surgery was gonna
Speaker 5: have surgery, and Ian said, we you know that's we
Speaker 5: don't know, yeah, exploring all options.
Speaker 2: They're considering all the options.
Speaker 5: I will say, like, if Trevor Lawrence needs surgery, if
Speaker 5: he's gonna have to have surgery anyway, then go ahead
Speaker 5: and have it now. We don't know what the changes
Speaker 5: are going to be in Jacksonville. Why not give him
Speaker 5: an off season where he's with the team and not
Speaker 5: recovering from surgery.
Speaker 4: Right here, here's another thing with that, the Jacks learned
Speaker 4: this to play portals. If he was unable or if
Speaker 4: he was on the roster by a certain date bonuses
Speaker 4: kicked in. He held off wrisk surgery until after the
Speaker 4: season where they could not cut him injured he was
Speaker 4: on the roster.
Speaker 1: Not a concern for Trevor Lawrence, but also a fascinating
Speaker 1: thing that can happen with the player because as.
Speaker 5: I was thinking, like, because it's always teams want to
Speaker 5: have the player have the surgery on their own time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, they want to play there.
Speaker 5: We prefer not necessarily they want to play role to
Speaker 5: hobble around on vacation, but just to play when you
Speaker 5: could play and then have the surgery when you can't play.
Speaker 2: But we'll see how they treat trev and then situation.
Speaker 5: But a mac Jones playing against the Lions on the
Speaker 5: road is not something that anybody wanted.
Speaker 3: No, what a world.
Speaker 1: The Lions is the best team in the NFC, and yes,
Speaker 1: what a world. I get to spend it with you
Speaker 1: guys every Wednesday talking out here in the Chris Westling
Speaker 1: podcast CEO. That was a lot of fun. Thank you
Speaker 1: for watching and listening to NFL Daily. Yes we will
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Speaker 3: For the recap show, so check that out.
Speaker 1: Yes, when we're talking about players avoiding surgery, you know
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