WEBVTT - The FAA and Drones

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<v Speaker 1>Technology with tex Stuff from staff stats. Pay there and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to tex Stuff. I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. Then

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<v Speaker 1>it's a solo show today and a bit of an

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<v Speaker 1>up date. You see, back in two thousand thirteen, my

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<v Speaker 1>old co host Chris Pallette and I recorded an episode

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<v Speaker 1>about drones, and I thought it was about time to

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<v Speaker 1>record a sequel to that episode, and that's what brings

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<v Speaker 1>us here today. Now, there's gonna be some overlap with

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<v Speaker 1>that first episode, but then it's been three years and

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<v Speaker 1>I've bet a lot of you haven't even heard the

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<v Speaker 1>original one. Uh, if you have and it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>your favorites, I apologize for some of the overlap, but

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<v Speaker 1>mostly we're gonna be looking at the law, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>use the first half of this episode to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>cover the working operation of a drone. UM and by drones,

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<v Speaker 1>I i'm talking about consumer and prosumer unmanned aerial V

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<v Speaker 1>vehicles or small unmanned aerial systems. So you get U

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<v Speaker 1>a v S or U A s IS, which more

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<v Speaker 1>frequently than not fall into the quad copter or quad

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<v Speaker 1>rotor category. Now there are other types as well, including

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<v Speaker 1>fixed wing aircraft and Moldy rotor drones that have more

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<v Speaker 1>than just the four but quad coptor is the form

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<v Speaker 1>factor that seems to be the most popular. It provides

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<v Speaker 1>a less stability and makes the whole whole industry more

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<v Speaker 1>attractive to a larger audience. And um, I should also

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<v Speaker 1>mention before I get into this too far, that the

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<v Speaker 1>term drone is technically a misnomer. To be a true drone,

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<v Speaker 1>at least in the you know, the traditional definition of drone,

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<v Speaker 1>typically it needs to be at least semi autonomous, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>it has to be able to operate on its own

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<v Speaker 1>for a significant amount of its use. Um, they have

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<v Speaker 1>to have a specific purpose or mission. So a drone

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<v Speaker 1>has to be something that is got a specific reason

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<v Speaker 1>for existing, like spying, for example, or in the case

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<v Speaker 1>of things like predator drones, perhaps combat. They tend to

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<v Speaker 1>be much larger than the consumer and prosumer RC aircraft

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<v Speaker 1>on the market that I'll be talking about, and they

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<v Speaker 1>can often fly for many many hours, whereas your typical

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<v Speaker 1>consumer U a V is good for maybe half an

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<v Speaker 1>hour of use, depends on the battery. Some of them

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<v Speaker 1>are better than others, some of them have very limited

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<v Speaker 1>flight times. But the term drone has been applied to

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<v Speaker 1>these r C aircraft in general, and it's not only

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<v Speaker 1>just stuck to them, it's grown in popularity. More and

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<v Speaker 1>more people use the term drone to describe all of

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<v Speaker 1>these things. So you could argue that the definition of

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<v Speaker 1>drone has been expanded to include RC aircraft outside the

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<v Speaker 1>model plane and helicopter and blimp stuff. Pretty much anything

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<v Speaker 1>that isn't one of those traditional model aircraft now ends

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<v Speaker 1>up being called drowne and whether we like it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the term. So I know there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of r C enthusiasts out there, people who have been

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<v Speaker 1>hobbyists and model aircraft for years, who don't like the

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<v Speaker 1>use of the word drone to describe these vehicles. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They feel that is to misleading. Honestly, at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that we could all agree that the definition

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<v Speaker 1>of drone has changed, and that's the nature of language.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes language changes to incorporate things that weren't possible to

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<v Speaker 1>cover in previous uses of a word. It's a technology

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<v Speaker 1>that's been developed since the word was coined, and now

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<v Speaker 1>we just have to agree that this is one of

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<v Speaker 1>those susceptible terms. So I'm gonna be using the word drone,

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<v Speaker 1>or the abbreviations of U, A V or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>acronyms whatever of you A V and UH and U

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<v Speaker 1>A s quite a bit in this, but they all

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<v Speaker 1>mean the same thing. I'll also be talking about quad

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<v Speaker 1>opters and quad rotors a lot, mainly because that represents

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<v Speaker 1>the vast majority of the market share for for these

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<v Speaker 1>types of devices out on the Well, I guess on

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<v Speaker 1>the air today. So, uh, now that I've got that

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<v Speaker 1>all the way, Um, what prompted the decision to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about drones again in the first place. Well, there's been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of news about drones over the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years, and again we recorded the first episode, and

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<v Speaker 1>particularly there's been a lot of news and debate about

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<v Speaker 1>drones as they are being used to capture video and

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<v Speaker 1>images and situations that raise some pretty tricky questions. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the story from two thousand fifteen of drones interfering

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<v Speaker 1>with firefighting operations in the San Bernardino National Forest in California.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people were using drones to get images and video

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<v Speaker 1>of the fires, but that meant that firefighting helicopters were

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<v Speaker 1>grounded because the potential collision dangers. So because these drones

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<v Speaker 1>were hovering over the sites where fire was raging, the

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<v Speaker 1>helicopters couldn't get clearance to take off and deliver uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, water or sand or whatever it was they

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<v Speaker 1>were going to use to put out the fires at

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<v Speaker 1>those regions, which meant the fire continue to get bigger

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<v Speaker 1>and bigger. And this raised a lot of questions for

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<v Speaker 1>people saying, well, is that as should it be legal

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<v Speaker 1>to operate a drone anywhere around there? If a drone

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<v Speaker 1>is operating under there, what what course of action is

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement allowed to pursue? Could they shoot down a

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<v Speaker 1>drone like that using whatever means they had at their disposal.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's kind of brought into public consciousness this idea

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<v Speaker 1>that the drones could potentially be dangerous and also not

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<v Speaker 1>just dangerous to property or people, but also to our

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<v Speaker 1>privacy because more and more drones are are equipped with

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<v Speaker 1>these cameras, some of which can capt you're pretty high

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<v Speaker 1>quality video, So that means that even if you're far away,

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<v Speaker 1>if you've got a high enough resolution, you could digitally

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<v Speaker 1>zoom in a couple of levels down and still get

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<v Speaker 1>a closer look at something while you know, from an

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<v Speaker 1>external point of view it may seem the drone is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty far away. There are a lot of different questions

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<v Speaker 1>that come up from that. Another recent story involves filmmaking.

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<v Speaker 1>This was one that prompted me to do an episode

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<v Speaker 1>of House Stop Works Now about this. The production crew

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<v Speaker 1>of Star Wars Episode eight had a real issue with drones.

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<v Speaker 1>They were shooting in the UK. They had a location

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<v Speaker 1>scouted out and they were shooting at that location, and

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<v Speaker 1>they had this issue where people who were operating drones

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<v Speaker 1>were flying them close to the location in order to

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<v Speaker 1>get pictures and video of what was going on. So

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<v Speaker 1>when the crew moved to Croatia to do another stage

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<v Speaker 1>of the production for the film, they actually hired News

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<v Speaker 1>Security Team members to help bolster their numbers. And these

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<v Speaker 1>new team members were drone pilots and their job was

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<v Speaker 1>to intercept and stop any snooping drones from getting pictures

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<v Speaker 1>of the filming, which presumably included colliding with them so

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<v Speaker 1>that they would bring down the other drone um And

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<v Speaker 1>that raises the question of well is that legal? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it legal for some private company to use means to

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<v Speaker 1>bring down someone else's drone if that person's drone and

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<v Speaker 1>spying on what they're doing and um. And it's a

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<v Speaker 1>tough question. It's it's one that does not have an

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<v Speaker 1>immediate answer necessarily, particularly since we're talking about croatia UM.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of questions about legality, what, when, where,

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<v Speaker 1>and how can you fly your drone? Is it ever

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<v Speaker 1>legal to bring down someone else's drone? And once again

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<v Speaker 1>we see that technology has outpaced the legal system. This

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<v Speaker 1>is not a new thing. We've seen it a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>The Internet really drove this home in more recent past,

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<v Speaker 1>where you see the capability of doing things far outstrips

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<v Speaker 1>what we were able to do before. And then we

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<v Speaker 1>see the legal system try to react to this and

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<v Speaker 1>and compensate for it. Sometimes it overreacts. You could argue

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<v Speaker 1>that some of the in fact, I think you could

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<v Speaker 1>argue successfully that several of the laws that have been

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<v Speaker 1>passed to guard against copyright and piracy uh are overreactions

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<v Speaker 1>to the ability to copy material much more easily in

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet and computer age then you could in the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Before you had computers, it was a real, you know, effort.

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<v Speaker 1>It took a lot of effort to copy something and

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<v Speaker 1>distribute it. So the laws were pretty you know, they covered,

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<v Speaker 1>they protected copyright owners, but they were pretty simple. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that it's a lot easier to make lots of copies,

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<v Speaker 1>those laws have become increasingly restrictive and overreaching. In some cases.

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<v Speaker 1>The fear is the same thing could happen with U

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<v Speaker 1>A v. S. And in fact, some would argue it

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<v Speaker 1>already has started to happen there. And just so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to get this out of the way. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be focusing primarily on the United States in this episode

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<v Speaker 1>because that's where I live. But these issues are going

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<v Speaker 1>on and questions are being asked and and actions are

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<v Speaker 1>being taken all over the world. Uh, regarding drones. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the UK in particular had the story of the the

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<v Speaker 1>drone that was there was a story that a drone

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<v Speaker 1>had collided with a British Airways flight that was taking off,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, and that ended up bringing up a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>over in the UK. But these are conversations happening all

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<v Speaker 1>over the world. I'll mostly be focusing on the US because, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's one of those It's the country that is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure this out, and a lot of other countries

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<v Speaker 1>are looking to the US as a model for what

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<v Speaker 1>to do with their own laws. So that's why I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to be looking at it. But this is still

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<v Speaker 1>tricky because there are different regions in the US that

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<v Speaker 1>have their own local laws that may or may not

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<v Speaker 1>come into conflict with any federal regulations once those are

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<v Speaker 1>finally published. So we've got a lot of of ambiguity

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<v Speaker 1>out there. Also, there are other places in the world

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<v Speaker 1>that have much stricter privacy laws than the United States does.

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<v Speaker 1>In the US, we're fairly fairly uh concerned about about privacy.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people don't like the idea of um

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<v Speaker 1>of cameras on every corner, for example, Whereas in the

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<v Speaker 1>UK that's something that happens pretty frequently in in urban

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<v Speaker 1>areas particularly, but in other parts of Europe it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the opposite. The privacy laws are such that,

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<v Speaker 1>uh that it may end up we may sing stricter

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<v Speaker 1>regulations in those areas for drone use um as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to the U S. So, uh that all being said,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it would be also a good reminder to

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of go over the way a drone flies

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<v Speaker 1>to explain how it works. I mean, this this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>is part of how stuff works. Big shock to all

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<v Speaker 1>of you guys out there who weren't aware of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Be Yes, How Stuff works is the is the company

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<v Speaker 1>I work for, text Stuff being one of the mini

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<v Speaker 1>podcasts we do, So I thought I would take this

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to explain how quad copters work. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>specifically about the quad copter style of U A V

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<v Speaker 1>S or drones um, knowing that you know there are

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<v Speaker 1>other other methods out there. But a quad copter has

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<v Speaker 1>four rotors, which you would probably imagined from the name quad,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's arranged in a cross formation. So two of

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<v Speaker 1>the rotors spend in a clockwise direction and the other

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<v Speaker 1>two rote eight witter shans, which is an old way

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<v Speaker 1>of saying counter clockwise. Uh. And it's an old way

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<v Speaker 1>that I like because I'm a Shakespeare fan. But at

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<v Speaker 1>any rate, you've probably heard me say it before. So

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<v Speaker 1>to go clockwise, to go counterclockwise, the rotors are in

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<v Speaker 1>a fixed pitch, meaning that the rotors themselves don't tilt.

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<v Speaker 1>They are uh stuck in that position. Now, typically you

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<v Speaker 1>would need to tilt the pitch of a rotor forward

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<v Speaker 1>in order to get forward momentum and to do anything

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<v Speaker 1>other than just hover in place. So with a helicopter

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<v Speaker 1>you may have rotors that can pitch forward a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>and that will start to let the helicopter move forward.

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<v Speaker 1>The quad copter does this by changing the rotational speed

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<v Speaker 1>of the various rotors, so they might make certain rotors

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<v Speaker 1>turn a little slower than other rotors. That will allow

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<v Speaker 1>the the the quad copter to telt in the proper

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<v Speaker 1>direction and thus move in that direction. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>a very delicate thing. You have to be very careful.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to generate enough lift to keep the quad

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<v Speaker 1>copter in the air, but you also want to have

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<v Speaker 1>a differential between the two um the two sets of

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<v Speaker 1>rotors in order to make sure that it's tilting the

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<v Speaker 1>right way to get your quad copter to go where

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<v Speaker 1>you want it to go. And obviously it can also

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<v Speaker 1>ascend or descend, so we can go higher or lower.

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<v Speaker 1>The motors on a quad copter copter are actually pretty

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<v Speaker 1>simple because they only need to turn the shaft of

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<v Speaker 1>the respective propellers in one direction, so you don't need

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<v Speaker 1>a motor that can reverse the direction of the propeller.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not necessary. It just has to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>turn either you know, oriented in such way so it

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<v Speaker 1>turns either clockwise or counterclockwise. But that's it. That's all

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<v Speaker 1>it has to do. And in fact, mechanically speaking, your

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<v Speaker 1>typical quad copter is incredibly simple. It really just has

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<v Speaker 1>two moving parts. Uh well, I guess technically eight, because

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<v Speaker 1>quad copters have four motors and four propellers, but those

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<v Speaker 1>are the only things that are moving on a quad copter.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything else can be perfectly stationary. Um. So mechanically they

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<v Speaker 1>are very simple, simple things. However, electronically they are incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>sophisticated and complicated. That's because it would be next to

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<v Speaker 1>impossible to fly a multi rotor vehicle using manual controls

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<v Speaker 1>and manually adjusting the speed of each of these rotors.

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<v Speaker 1>Quad Copters take advantage of sophisticated sensors and electronics to

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<v Speaker 1>maintain their flight. If the rotors spin at the wrong speed,

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<v Speaker 1>the quad copter would either crash or it would fly

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<v Speaker 1>off in the wrong direction and then crash. For a

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<v Speaker 1>quad copter to remain hovering, each of those propellers has

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<v Speaker 1>to be spinning at the right speed so that they

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<v Speaker 1>generate the same amount of force we're talking about, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the right amount of torque and thrust and compensating for

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<v Speaker 1>the right amount of drag, which may not be equivalent

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<v Speaker 1>across all four rotors, so you have to have sensors

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<v Speaker 1>that can detect this sort of stuff and make tiny

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<v Speaker 1>minute adjustments just so that you can have a quad

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<v Speaker 1>copter hovering in in space, because if any of those

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<v Speaker 1>conditions changed, then the quad copter would go out of control.

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<v Speaker 1>So you typically have a quad copter with lots of

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<v Speaker 1>microprocessors that are paired with sensors like accelerometers and gyroscopes

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<v Speaker 1>to allow the little vehicle to make these adjustments for you,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps up to several thousand times per minute, just so

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<v Speaker 1>you can cover in place. Um and early consumer quad

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<v Speaker 1>copters were essentially limited in what they could do on purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like it was a technological limitation at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>It was that the people the companies making the quad

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<v Speaker 1>copters wanted to make something that anyone could use. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is what differentiates quad copters from other types of

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<v Speaker 1>model aircraft. Any hobbyist who has been in model aircraft

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time will tell you it takes a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of training and practice to get good at controlling

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<v Speaker 1>model aircraft, whether it's a model plane or a model

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<v Speaker 1>helicopter or whatever. In order to get really adept at it.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to dedicate a lot of time to learning

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<v Speaker 1>how to operate the device and then just practice. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people will say it could take up

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<v Speaker 1>to a year of regular practice to get to get

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<v Speaker 1>competent at something like operating a model airplane or a

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<v Speaker 1>model helicopter. So there's a pretty high barrier to entry.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just the price tag of these devices, which

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<v Speaker 1>can be pretty hefty in some cases, but also it's

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<v Speaker 1>the the barrier of the learning curve. It is not

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<v Speaker 1>easy to do. It is, however, very rewarding for people

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<v Speaker 1>who are you know, who enjoy recreational RC model aircraft flying.

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<v Speaker 1>They find great joy a and there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of really awesome organizations out there where people work together

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<v Speaker 1>and share their knowledge and have events and reserve space

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<v Speaker 1>where they can fly their aircraft and really enjoy their hobby.

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<v Speaker 1>The quad copter, however, is so easy to use that

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<v Speaker 1>it allows a much broader array of people the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to play. Also, the price tag has come down significantly

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<v Speaker 1>over the last few years, so now it's more affordable

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<v Speaker 1>to a larger population. The flips that you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>downside of that just means that there are way more

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<v Speaker 1>people with way less training getting into model aircraft, in

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<v Speaker 1>this case the the U A V S and U

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<v Speaker 1>A S S drone area UM, and so that's starting

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<v Speaker 1>to cause some problems. So the early quad copters were

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<v Speaker 1>limited on purpose in what they could do so that

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<v Speaker 1>it would make it very easy to operate the quad copter. UH.

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<v Speaker 1>This meant that quad copters mostly had limits on how

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<v Speaker 1>fast they could travel as well as how far they

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<v Speaker 1>could tilt in any given direction. UH. And the purpose

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<v Speaker 1>for that was to improve the stability of the quad copter.

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<v Speaker 1>It was to create a a an experience that was

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<v Speaker 1>easy to control for your beginner, your novice. UH. Now

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<v Speaker 1>today there are quad copters on the market that don't

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<v Speaker 1>have those those limitations and restrictions in place, so that

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<v Speaker 1>if you are a skilled pilot, someone who has really

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<v Speaker 1>kind of mastered the use of quad copters, you can

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<v Speaker 1>do all sorts of maneuvers. You can go at really

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<v Speaker 1>high speeds, and you can do stuff like flips and

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<v Speaker 1>rolls if you're going at the right speed and you

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<v Speaker 1>do you do the timing correctly. So those quad copters

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<v Speaker 1>tend to be a little more difficult to control, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>for a novice, but a lot of them also have

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<v Speaker 1>a mode that put those old restrictions back in place

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<v Speaker 1>and make them more user friendly, so you can go

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<v Speaker 1>out there and look for a drone that's design so

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<v Speaker 1>that advanced pilots can really do some cool stuff with them,

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<v Speaker 1>but also still have this beginner mode where you can,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, have the stabilizers put on, so essentially it's

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna flip over or go too quickly, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can learn the fine motor skills needed to operate it

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<v Speaker 1>until you're ready to take the training wheels off, so

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<v Speaker 1>to say. Now, consumer quad cover copts became available several

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. I remember seeing the parrot A R drone UM,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the earliest drones I ever saw in person

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<v Speaker 1>at CS probably two thousand seven, No, two thousand eight,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, ces. Two thousand and eight, I believe was

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<v Speaker 1>the first time I saw a drone UM, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was the parrot A R drone. And they weren't um. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They're pretty much lumped in with other types of model

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<v Speaker 1>aircraft by by government organizations like the f a A.

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<v Speaker 1>So essentially they said, hey, you know the rules that

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<v Speaker 1>we have for operators of model airplanes or helicopters, those

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<v Speaker 1>rules will also go ahead and apply to U A

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<v Speaker 1>v s and that already caused some issues, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk more about that in a second. But another issue

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<v Speaker 1>is that the U A v s have become more

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<v Speaker 1>sophisticated over time, and they're not because they're not terribly expensive,

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<v Speaker 1>and because you have more and more people buying them,

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<v Speaker 1>and because you've got things like some semi autonomous features

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<v Speaker 1>that make it even easier to use. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>drones that have GPS devices incorporated into them, which allows

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<v Speaker 1>them to pilot flight paths like you can you can

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<v Speaker 1>program a flight path for your drone and it will

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<v Speaker 1>follow it. Um. Some of them anyway, that have GPS

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<v Speaker 1>devices or you might be able to specify a spot

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<v Speaker 1>and say, if you lose r C contact with the controller,

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<v Speaker 1>returned to this location, or if battery gets down below

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<v Speaker 1>x per cent, come back to this location and UH.

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<v Speaker 1>In that way, you know, you can retrieve the drone

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<v Speaker 1>even if you somehow lose the ability to communicate with

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<v Speaker 1>it with your remote control. Some of them also have

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<v Speaker 1>UH the ability to follow a specific target, so you

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<v Speaker 1>could say, hey, you know, follow this, follow whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>controller is in like a vehicle or or identify this

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<v Speaker 1>thing follow it. That also raises some questions. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be really cool if you're doing something like

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<v Speaker 1>capturing footage of yourself as you ride a bike through

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<v Speaker 1>a neighborhood. That could be really neat, or it could

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<v Speaker 1>be really a problem if you're having it follow someone

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<v Speaker 1>who did not give you consent to do that thing.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of them have HD or even u h

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<v Speaker 1>D Ultra high definition cameras mounted on them, which give

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<v Speaker 1>them the capacity need to capture video footage. Um there's

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<v Speaker 1>one d j I one that is like it has

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<v Speaker 1>an ultra high definition camera mounted on it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it costs about eight hundred bucks. Now, not that

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<v Speaker 1>long ago U A V s of that size cost

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of thousand dollars. And also not that long

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<v Speaker 1>ago UHD cameras cost several thousand dollars, like thirty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars when they were first coming out back in the

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<v Speaker 1>early two thousand's. So now we're at a point where

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<v Speaker 1>you can get both of these technologies put together in

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<v Speaker 1>one thing for less than a thousand dollars, which is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty amazing, and it's opened up a lot of opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>for filmmakers to use a new tool at their disposal,

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<v Speaker 1>replace things like crane shots and helicopter shots with a

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<v Speaker 1>drone shot, and uh, and that's pretty uh, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty amazing to look at. But it's also a little

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<v Speaker 1>worrisome because you have a potential tool for people to

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<v Speaker 1>use to spy on one another, or to spy on

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<v Speaker 1>other businesses or government facilities, that kind of thing. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's raised some pretty tough questions. Some of these drones

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<v Speaker 1>also have obstacle avoidance capabilities, which makes them even you

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<v Speaker 1>easier to use, which that's a good thing, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>you're flying your drone it's a pretty far distance from

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<v Speaker 1>where you are and you've got an obstacle between you

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<v Speaker 1>and where the drone is. It can be difficult sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>to judge the depth of that kind of stuff. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're flying a drone and it otherwise would be

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<v Speaker 1>bumping into, say, I don't know a radio antenna. I

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<v Speaker 1>watched a drone nearly collide with one a few weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not too far from my house. Uh, And something

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<v Speaker 1>like obstacle avoidance would allow the drone to navigate around

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<v Speaker 1>the obstacle even if your controls were putting it on

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<v Speaker 1>a collision course. So pretty useful stuff, but it also

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<v Speaker 1>creates other opportunities for problems. So a few other facts

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<v Speaker 1>I need to get to before I talk about specific

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<v Speaker 1>rules and regulations. Uh, typically quad copters are sized in

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<v Speaker 1>various categories like one, eight, one thousand, that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do those numbers mean. It's the distance in

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<v Speaker 1>millimeters from one rotor to the rotor diagonally opposite it.

0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:34.720
<v Speaker 1>So you take one rotor, you you stretch a measuring

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<v Speaker 1>tape from that rotor to the one diagonally opposite, and

0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:40.280
<v Speaker 1>you look at how many millimeters that is. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of similar to measuring the size of a television screen.

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<v Speaker 1>You do you do diagonal corner to diagonal corner, and

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<v Speaker 1>those measurements become important in drone competitions, which are a

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<v Speaker 1>real thing. By the way. There are races and battle

0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 1>competitions out there, so there are competitions where you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to have the fastest time through a course. There other

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<v Speaker 1>competitions where it's kind of like a drone thunderdome or

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<v Speaker 1>really more like a drone battle Royal, because you'll have

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<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of drones in sign arena at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time. Usually it's netted off so that no one

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<v Speaker 1>gets hurt if the drone when the drones collide with

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<v Speaker 1>each other, and the goal is to be the last

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<v Speaker 1>drone flying. Um. These are real things that are out there,

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<v Speaker 1>their entire organizations dedicated to this kind of sporting event,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're really cool. Um. Also, drone racing is super awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I love drone racing. I'm not piloting it. I would

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<v Speaker 1>be total crap at that, but I love watching them. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly the type of races that use FPV or first

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<v Speaker 1>person view. Now, in those races, the pilots actually wear

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<v Speaker 1>a headset. They're not keeping line of sight on their drones. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>they wear a headset that has a live video feed

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<v Speaker 1>from a camera that's mounted on the drone coming in

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<v Speaker 1>through little monitors in their headset. So it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like flying in the cockpit of an aircraft as you

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<v Speaker 1>zoom around its speeds of too, sometimes more than a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred miles per hour, which is a d sixty one

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<v Speaker 1>kilometers an hour. If you want to hear more about

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff, you should tune into the Forward

0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Thinking Audio podcast titled off to the drone Races that

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<v Speaker 1>actually published on May fourth, two thousand sixteen, on Star

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<v Speaker 1>Wars Day, So go check that out. Joe and Lauren

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<v Speaker 1>and I talk all about drones sporting events and what

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<v Speaker 1>goes into them, because it's pretty cool stuff. Now, when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to terms of the law, at least in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, they aren't so much concerned with the

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<v Speaker 1>size as much as the weight of the drone um

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<v Speaker 1>largely because that's what you would have to take into

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<v Speaker 1>consideration if something were to go wrong. The heavier the

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<v Speaker 1>drone is, the more likely it would cause damage to

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<v Speaker 1>a person or piece of property. And so the f

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<v Speaker 1>a A that's the Federal Aviation Administration in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>is specifically concerned about drones that way. Between five five

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty five pounds, which is in metric terms, between

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<v Speaker 1>two and fifty grams tos or soft pounds is the

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<v Speaker 1>maximum wait for standard registration. Anything heavier than fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>pounds requires a more comprehensive registration with the f a A.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not going to cover it because very few

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<v Speaker 1>people out there are going to end up getting a

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<v Speaker 1>drone that weighs more than fifty five pounds. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you do, it will be really a challenge to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure you can be allowed to fly it. Now, let's

0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:35.960
<v Speaker 1>get to those laws. I know I've been talking about

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:38.720
<v Speaker 1>this for a while, so I just covered the first one.

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:42.680
<v Speaker 1>No drones over fifty pounds in weight for standard registration.

0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:46.600
<v Speaker 1>The big concern is that potential for damage or injury

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:50.000
<v Speaker 1>should the drone fail or if the pilot excidentally steers

0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 1>it into a person or other type of property, that

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. If your drone weighs more than point

0:27:57.400 --> 0:28:01.239
<v Speaker 1>five five pounds two grams, you have to register it

0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:04.080
<v Speaker 1>with the f a A before you fly it for

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 1>the first time. This is a relatively new rule as

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:11.080
<v Speaker 1>of the recording of this podcast uh and it includes

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:15.119
<v Speaker 1>getting a compliant label for your aircraft to show that

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:18.679
<v Speaker 1>it has been registered, as well as a certificate and

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:21.439
<v Speaker 1>a flight I D Card to prove you have followed

0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the rules. These rules also apply for other RC aircraft.

0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:27.879
<v Speaker 1>It's not just U A v S. This is something

0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:31.320
<v Speaker 1>that all model aircraft have to follow at this point,

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 1>which has also gotten model aircraft enthusiasts a little riled up.

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 1>For good reason. I don't I'm not downplaying there justification

0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 1>because I completely empathize with it. And I'll talk more

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:48.640
<v Speaker 1>about in just a second. So what happens if you

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:55.560
<v Speaker 1>don't register, Well, registration is required. And if you were

0:28:55.640 --> 0:29:00.280
<v Speaker 1>to get caught operating a drone without this registration, if

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:03.040
<v Speaker 1>your aircraft did not have that label, if you did

0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 1>not have your certificate and i D card available for

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 1>for someone asking you questions, and you are caught, particularly

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 1>if you're caught doing something else that's also shady. The

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 1>penalties are really stiff. Civil finds can go up to

0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:25.160
<v Speaker 1>twenty seven thousand, five hundred dollars and criminal finds can

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:28.600
<v Speaker 1>go up to two fifty thousand dollars. Plus you might

0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 1>be liable to pay for any damages you cause, so

0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 1>that's a huge amount of money. So how much does

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 1>registration cost? Five bucks? Five dollars to register? Um and

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 1>once you register, you're good. You just have to register once.

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:47.440
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter how many aircraft you own. If you

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:53.080
<v Speaker 1>own twenty drones, then you can register once and you

0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 1>will get a unique identification number, which then you can

0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 1>print on labels and you can put those labels on

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:02.080
<v Speaker 1>all the different aircra q on So that five dollars

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 1>is good for everything, all the aircraft. Anything over that

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:11.560
<v Speaker 1>two gram limit or or bottom level, anything under two

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>hundred fifty grams, you can fly without registering at all.

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 1>You that's totally fine. So that covers all the little

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:20.960
<v Speaker 1>mini quad copters that are out there that you would

0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:23.880
<v Speaker 1>pick up at like a toy store. Those you can

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 1>fly without having to register them at all. But anything

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 1>heavier than that you need to spend. The five dollar

0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 1>registration fee also doesn't matter if you're a US citizen

0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 1>or not. If you're visiting the United States and you

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 1>have a drone, you have to apply for one of these.

0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 1>You have to register it, uh in order to operate

0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:47.760
<v Speaker 1>that drone legally in the U S. So UM this

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 1>rule came into effect on December and in fact, if

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 1>you registered your aircraft within that first thirty day period

0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 1>after the rule that came into effect, the five dollars

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:02.440
<v Speaker 1>would be charged would be refunded. And that money, by

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 1>the way, is meant to go to funding the actual

0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 1>registration program as well as the website maintenance, that kind

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. So it's really just minimum maintenance type of deal.

0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 1>So why was this program implement in the first place. Well,

0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 1>there were a few but frequent enough instances of people

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:26.400
<v Speaker 1>using drones to fly into restricted areas like near airports,

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 1>or over private property, or over restricted nature reservations. Um.

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 1>There was also the issue of drones flying into areas

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 1>where emergency response was trying to get in there. Um.

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:44.840
<v Speaker 1>In other words, there were enough instances of pilots being

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 1>stupid or at least being thoughtless. Maybe stupid is too

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:53.920
<v Speaker 1>strong a word. They perhaps lacked some situational awareness, they

0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.840
<v Speaker 1>lacked maybe some common sense. Some of them might have

0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 1>been up to some kind of shady dealings in the

0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:02.000
<v Speaker 1>first place, like trying to capture footage of stuff that

0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 1>really they shouldn't be. At any rate, there were enough

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:08.160
<v Speaker 1>of those to cause the f a A to say,

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:11.040
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have to step in here, and that was

0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 1>a big problem. Plus there's the potential to outfit drones

0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 1>with other stuff that could be harmful or even deadly.

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Some of the examples I saw talked about outfitting drones

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 1>with guns or with explosives and uh. And since the

0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:31.680
<v Speaker 1>honor system wasn't preventing mischief and worse, the f a

0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:34.880
<v Speaker 1>A stepped in. And this came as a huge disappointment

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 1>for hobbyists who had been flying r C aircraft for

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 1>years because they have already created organizations that are dedicated

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 1>to the hobby and had established guidelines for how hobbyists

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 1>were meant to operate their aircraft. So these were largely

0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 1>self governing, self policing organizations. They had created guidelines that

0:32:57.400 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 1>set expectations and eliminated the need for or their regulation. So,

0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 1>in other words, the hobbyists had built up these communities

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 1>that had created the guidelines everyone agreed to follow. And

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 1>the reason they agreed to follow it was that as

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 1>long as they followed those guidelines, organizations like the f

0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:19.680
<v Speaker 1>a A will just stay out of it and they

0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 1>would be able to enjoy their hobby responsibly without these

0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:28.560
<v Speaker 1>restrictions coming in. But again, once that bar was lowered

0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 1>for entry, once you've got to a point where it

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 1>was easier to operate the vehicles and they became less expensive,

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 1>you had a rush of new pilots, and not all

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:48.440
<v Speaker 1>of them had that same dedication to safety and promoting

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 1>the hobby as the old timers did, because they actually

0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 1>had to go through a lot more effort in order

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:57.840
<v Speaker 1>to be able to engage their hobby than the new

0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:02.000
<v Speaker 1>folks didn't. This isn't the say that one group is

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 1>better than the other group, but rather just say that. Uh.

0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 1>When you open up a hobby from a narrow niche

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:13.320
<v Speaker 1>to a much broader niche, or even not a niche anymore,

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 1>but just a broader audience, problems can can come up

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:23.239
<v Speaker 1>because you'll get more potential for people to misuse the technology.

0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Even if they were misusing it unintentionally, it can happen.

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 1>So the US government had to come in and start

0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 1>setting up some restrictions, which really was a tough pill

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 1>to swallow if you had been active in the hobby

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:43.160
<v Speaker 1>and been responsible and accountable for that whole time. Uh.

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 1>In fact, a lot of the organizations have much stricter

0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:49.160
<v Speaker 1>rules than things that the FAA has proposed. And it

0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:53.279
<v Speaker 1>was all in an attempt to promote a hobby. It's

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 1>safely so that people didn't get in trouble and you

0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't have these restrictions that affect everyone, both the people

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 1>who are problems and the people who are good citizens.

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:06.320
<v Speaker 1>And it also created a negative image for people who

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 1>are in the RC model aircraft community, and that was

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:14.280
<v Speaker 1>tough for people who had been part of this community

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 1>for decades. Uh. You know, it was one of those

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:19.560
<v Speaker 1>things where they were largely not thought of at all.

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 1>You might think, oh, well, that's kind of a nerdy

0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:25.319
<v Speaker 1>hobby you have to fly on aircraft. Or you might think, oh, wow,

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:27.399
<v Speaker 1>that's really cool that you can do that. I bet

0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:31.399
<v Speaker 1>it's really tricky to learn, UM. But people didn't tend

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:35.760
<v Speaker 1>to think, oh, you could potentially hurt me or spy

0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 1>on me. And so this negative uh perception of operators

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:46.080
<v Speaker 1>really was a tough thing for the old timers and

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:50.920
<v Speaker 1>the the dedicated hobbyists to to deal with. UM. So

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:55.239
<v Speaker 1>when you begin getting back into registering your your U

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:57.839
<v Speaker 1>a V or your drone or whatever, when you begin

0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:00.480
<v Speaker 1>the registration process, you'll be asked if you need register

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 1>as a model aircraft or a non model aircraft user. Now,

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 1>that essentially boils down to whether you're using your device

0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:12.560
<v Speaker 1>commercially or not, so whether you're going to be operating

0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:15.959
<v Speaker 1>your U a V for profit or you're just doing

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:20.240
<v Speaker 1>it for fun. UM. Non commercial users or hobbyists register

0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:24.400
<v Speaker 1>as model aircraft. Commercial users register as non model aircraft,

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:27.959
<v Speaker 1>and once you register, you're good to go, at least

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:30.959
<v Speaker 1>for the hobbyists. Anyway. I'll get into the consumer stuff

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:33.000
<v Speaker 1>in a little bit or the commercial stuff a little bit.

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to register every U a V you have.

0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:40.359
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, once you register the first time, you

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 1>are good to go. Unless you're a commercial user. Then

0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>you have to jump through a few more hoops. So

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:49.719
<v Speaker 1>i'll cover that in a bit after I go over

0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:53.279
<v Speaker 1>the basic guidelines that you're supposed to follow if you're

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 1>operating a drone. Now, the FAA has partnered with the

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems International and the Academy of

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Model Aeronautics. Those are two organizations that have been working

0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 1>to establish safety guidelines for model aircraft operation for many years,

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 1>and the guidelines they established aren't really law necessarily, but

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:20.920
<v Speaker 1>they're rather meant to help hobbyists enjoy their recreational flying

0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:25.360
<v Speaker 1>responsibly and prevent the need for more restrictive laws to

0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:30.480
<v Speaker 1>be put in place. So again, these guidelines were kind

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:33.799
<v Speaker 1>of common sense guidelines saying, if you follow these, you'll

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:38.840
<v Speaker 1>be able to enjoy what we do without causing harm

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:44.319
<v Speaker 1>or or being liable for some damage or injury. Just

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 1>follow these rules and everything will be fine. Together, the

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:52.840
<v Speaker 1>three organizations, the f a A, the the Unmanned Vehicle

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Systems International and the Academy of Model Aeronautics created a

0:37:57.160 --> 0:38:00.600
<v Speaker 1>site that is called no Before You fle I that's

0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:05.279
<v Speaker 1>k n O W NO, and that site outlines the

0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:08.360
<v Speaker 1>parameters for safe flying. So I'm gonna look at the

0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:12.120
<v Speaker 1>recreational ones and cover some of the rules. These are

0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:15.799
<v Speaker 1>rules that are both from that site and also from

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:19.960
<v Speaker 1>the f a A. Keeping in mind these rules mostly

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 1>aren't law. They're essentially saying, just follow these guidelines and

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:30.080
<v Speaker 1>you'll not get into trouble. But it's not like it's

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:32.440
<v Speaker 1>a a you know, if you were to operate outside

0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 1>these guidelines, you would automatically be arrested. It would depend

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 1>upon your region and the local laws. So first up

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 1>is you shouldn't fly your U A V higher than

0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:49.080
<v Speaker 1>four feet and remain below any surrounding obstacles. Um So

0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:51.839
<v Speaker 1>going over four hundred if you would be a bad idea.

0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:56.319
<v Speaker 1>Now that's a pretty that's pretty significant height. And if

0:38:56.360 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 1>your U A V is of moderate to small size,

0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:03.279
<v Speaker 1>any higher than that you would probably lose sight of it,

0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 1>which would be a problem because one of the other

0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:07.960
<v Speaker 1>rules is to maintain a line of sight with your

0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:11.120
<v Speaker 1>U A V at all times. So you're not supposed

0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 1>to fly beyond the line of sight, even if you're

0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:17.320
<v Speaker 1>wearing an FPV headset, So even if you can see

0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 1>the point of view of the drone, the drone itself

0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 1>is supposed to remain within your personal line of sight

0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 1>if you were to remove the headset. If you're wearing

0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:30.879
<v Speaker 1>a headset, typically you should have a second person there

0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 1>to kind of act as a spotter to make sure

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:36.680
<v Speaker 1>the drone is not flying too far away from your

0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:39.879
<v Speaker 1>position so that you can continue that line of sight.

0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 1>You're supposed to stay away from any areas in which

0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:48.320
<v Speaker 1>manned aircraft are operating, which is a pretty understandable restriction.

0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:52.640
<v Speaker 1>If you're within five miles of an airport, you're supposed

0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 1>to notify the air traffic control personnel of that airport

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:57.640
<v Speaker 1>that you are going to be flying a drone and

0:39:57.680 --> 0:40:02.480
<v Speaker 1>ask permission from them that you conduce. Oh. Um, five

0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:04.080
<v Speaker 1>miles is a long way and there are a lot

0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:08.480
<v Speaker 1>of airports out there, so uh, it's important to check that.

0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:11.440
<v Speaker 1>If you live in an urban area, you may want

0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 1>to make certain that you are not within five miles

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:17.719
<v Speaker 1>of the closest airport to make to be sure that

0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:20.799
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to request permission every time you fly

0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:24.440
<v Speaker 1>your your U a V out in the yard, Otherwise

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:26.399
<v Speaker 1>you may have to drive a little distance in order

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 1>to operate your U a V legally, UM, you're not

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:33.960
<v Speaker 1>supposed to fly over people and vehicles. You're supposed to

0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:36.600
<v Speaker 1>keep at least twenty five ft of distance between the

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:40.480
<v Speaker 1>U a V and people or property. Uh. That of

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:44.880
<v Speaker 1>distance doesn't include being directly over someone like you know

0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:47.840
<v Speaker 1>thirty I was thirty feet up, so I'm twenty ft

0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 1>away from them. No, that that's not what they meant,

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:58.440
<v Speaker 1>and that X Y access not the z. UM. You

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:00.920
<v Speaker 1>aren't supposed to operate your UA be in bad weather,

0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:05.719
<v Speaker 1>so any weather conditions that would impact your visibility or

0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:08.200
<v Speaker 1>the stability of the the U a V. So if

0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:11.200
<v Speaker 1>it's high winds or anything like that, I'm not supposed

0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:14.120
<v Speaker 1>to operate in those conditions. You are also not supposed

0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:16.839
<v Speaker 1>to operate your U a V while intoxicated, while under

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:20.760
<v Speaker 1>the effects of alcohol or drugs. UM, you are supposed

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:23.160
<v Speaker 1>to take time to learn how to operate your U

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:27.600
<v Speaker 1>a V responsibly before doing anything complicated with it. So,

0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:29.799
<v Speaker 1>in other words, you're supposed to actually take the time

0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:32.400
<v Speaker 1>to train yourself on how to use your U a V.

0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:36.239
<v Speaker 1>Before you start doing things like flying through obstacles or

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:40.000
<v Speaker 1>trying to do tricks like flips and rolls. You're supposed

0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:41.680
<v Speaker 1>to make sure your u a V is in good

0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:46.600
<v Speaker 1>working order before you fly it. You are not supposed

0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:50.040
<v Speaker 1>to fly over any sort of sensitive infrastructure or buildings,

0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 1>so don't fly over hospitals or power stations, or water

0:41:54.560 --> 0:41:58.480
<v Speaker 1>treatment facilities or government buildings that kind of thing. Also,

0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:01.600
<v Speaker 1>you're not supposed to fly over sporting events or big

0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:06.400
<v Speaker 1>public events UM or public safety emergencies. Those are areas

0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:09.960
<v Speaker 1>that are either considered to be under a temporary or

0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:14.320
<v Speaker 1>a permanent flight restriction. So permanent flight restriction could include

0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:18.160
<v Speaker 1>a sports arena. Temporary flight restriction could be any area

0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:22.960
<v Speaker 1>that is currently the site of a public emergency. UM.

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:26.560
<v Speaker 1>In either case, you're not supposed to fly a drone

0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:30.120
<v Speaker 1>in those areas. UM You're supposed to follow all local

0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 1>laws before operating a u AV, so some regions could

0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:36.640
<v Speaker 1>have some pretty restrictive laws. You're supposed to make yourself

0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:41.560
<v Speaker 1>familiar with them and operate within them. Don't spy. Don't

0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:43.759
<v Speaker 1>use your drone to spy on people or to take

0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 1>unauthorized photos of persons in areas where there's an expectation

0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:50.520
<v Speaker 1>of privacy. So public park is one thing, because you're

0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:53.719
<v Speaker 1>out in the public um. Although again, if you're like

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 1>using the drone to stalk someone, then that would probably

0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 1>be considered stalking. You could likely be pulled up on

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:02.080
<v Speaker 1>charge of of that. But if you're just flying around

0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:04.160
<v Speaker 1>the park and taking pictures because it's a pretty day

0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:06.000
<v Speaker 1>and you want to get crowd shots and that kind

0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:10.480
<v Speaker 1>of stuff, that's perfectly reasonable. But if you're flying in

0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:15.600
<v Speaker 1>a different area, like private property or any other area

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:19.560
<v Speaker 1>where you could reasonably expect to have some privacy, then

0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:22.520
<v Speaker 1>you're not supposed to use your cameras to spy on

0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:26.040
<v Speaker 1>people at all. UM. Again, these are guidelines set up

0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:29.840
<v Speaker 1>by the various organizations and the f A a UH

0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:35.000
<v Speaker 1>and likely will play into laws later on. UH. You're

0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:37.400
<v Speaker 1>only supposed to operate one drone at a time, so

0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:41.360
<v Speaker 1>one operator, one drone. There there are pieces of software

0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:45.480
<v Speaker 1>out there that allow you to link drones together in

0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:47.920
<v Speaker 1>a fleet, but you are not supposed to do that UM,

0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:52.120
<v Speaker 1>at least not outside inside a controlled area where you're

0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 1>experimenting with fleet software is one thing because it may

0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:59.920
<v Speaker 1>be part of your research for artificial intelligence, but once

0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:02.960
<v Speaker 1>you take it outside and you are out in the

0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:08.120
<v Speaker 1>public where you could potentially collide with people or property,

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:11.000
<v Speaker 1>then you can no longer do that legally or you're

0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:13.680
<v Speaker 1>not supposed to do it at any rate. And the

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:17.239
<v Speaker 1>f A has a rule for all model aircraft you're

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:21.880
<v Speaker 1>supposed to only fly during daylight hours. So whatever local

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:25.759
<v Speaker 1>UH call for sunrise and sunset are, those are the

0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 1>hours within which you can operate a U a V.

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:34.600
<v Speaker 1>After or before that, it's not it's against the rules.

0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:38.480
<v Speaker 1>So most of the stuff is not actual law. They

0:44:38.520 --> 0:44:43.520
<v Speaker 1>are rules you are strongly encouraged to adhere to because

0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:46.400
<v Speaker 1>if something goes wrong and you are outside of those rules,

0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:49.439
<v Speaker 1>then you can be under some pretty serious trouble. But

0:44:49.760 --> 0:44:52.359
<v Speaker 1>it's not like most For most of these, it's not

0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:54.759
<v Speaker 1>like if you were to go outside of it, you

0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:58.560
<v Speaker 1>would immediately have cops pull up and arrestue, unless the

0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:03.920
<v Speaker 1>local laws say otherwise, in which case that could potentially happen. UH.

0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:09.320
<v Speaker 1>And again, they're really there to prevent the the need

0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:13.839
<v Speaker 1>for more formal restrictions and regulations so that people can

0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 1>enjoy their hobby without that kind of hassle. Um when

0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:22.040
<v Speaker 1>the regulations become official, when when we actually get a

0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:25.000
<v Speaker 1>new set of rules which the FAA is working on

0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:29.359
<v Speaker 1>as I record this podcast. It is May of two

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:33.520
<v Speaker 1>thousand and sixteen when I record this. It's possible that

0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:38.200
<v Speaker 1>new rules could be published before this episode goes live,

0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 1>but at any rate, there are going to be some

0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:43.680
<v Speaker 1>new rules coming out by the f a A that

0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:48.279
<v Speaker 1>will cover unmanned aerial systems but not model aircraft. In

0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:51.320
<v Speaker 1>other words, the FAA is going to distinguish between model

0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:54.279
<v Speaker 1>planes and helicopters that sort of stuff and U a

0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:58.279
<v Speaker 1>v s or drones. So at that point there will

0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:00.680
<v Speaker 1>be different sets of rules, and I think that will

0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:05.359
<v Speaker 1>make folks who really like model aircraft and model helicopters

0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:09.719
<v Speaker 1>the traditional type happy, because they will they will go

0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:14.800
<v Speaker 1>back to kind of their their organization based communities. UM,

0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:17.440
<v Speaker 1>those who want to pilot quad copters will have to

0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:23.600
<v Speaker 1>follow the rules for the unmanned aerial systems. And some

0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:26.080
<v Speaker 1>states do have those local laws regarding you A VS.

0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 1>But other states, like the one I live in, Georgia,

0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:32.240
<v Speaker 1>they're waiting on the f a A to establish federal

0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:36.720
<v Speaker 1>rules before passing any local laws. Recently, Georgia Governor Nathan

0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:40.040
<v Speaker 1>deal vetoed legislation that would regulate U A v S

0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:42.120
<v Speaker 1>in the state, and he said he wanted to wait

0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:46.560
<v Speaker 1>until the federal rules were in place first. So things

0:46:46.600 --> 0:46:50.080
<v Speaker 1>that could have established some precedent for U A v s.

0:46:50.400 --> 0:46:56.359
<v Speaker 1>H Sometimes they don't make it because the local politicians

0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:58.799
<v Speaker 1>want to make sure that the federal rules are are

0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:03.920
<v Speaker 1>established before states make any um big decisions. This was

0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:07.279
<v Speaker 1>not a big surprise here in Georgia that Governor Deal

0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:12.520
<v Speaker 1>would veto the legislation. And I'll tell you why it's

0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:15.400
<v Speaker 1>not a big surprise because Governor Deal is probably the

0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:19.319
<v Speaker 1>most business oriented governor Georgia has had in a very

0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:24.920
<v Speaker 1>long time. He has worked very hard to allow businesses

0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:28.719
<v Speaker 1>to attract businesses to the state successfully. So this is

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:32.920
<v Speaker 1>not a criticism, by the way, this is just an observation. UM.

0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:35.919
<v Speaker 1>In many ways this has been very helpful. He has

0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:41.160
<v Speaker 1>struck down legislation that was discriminatory uh and and at

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:44.240
<v Speaker 1>least part of the reason he did so was because

0:47:44.440 --> 0:47:50.399
<v Speaker 1>it would have discouraged businesses from locating inside Georgia. And

0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:53.120
<v Speaker 1>he's also been a big proponent for stuff like the

0:47:53.160 --> 0:47:56.279
<v Speaker 1>film industry here in the States. So I imagine that

0:47:56.840 --> 0:48:00.200
<v Speaker 1>he didn't want to pass laws regulating drones, but us

0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:05.560
<v Speaker 1>he didn't want to um to uh to interfere with

0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:11.319
<v Speaker 1>businesses establishing themselves in the state. So that's just an observation. Again,

0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:15.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm not judging anything here. Um Personally, I

0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:19.319
<v Speaker 1>think uh that attracting businesses to a state is a

0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:23.120
<v Speaker 1>good thing, So I don't have a problem with that necessarily,

0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:26.360
<v Speaker 1>even though I also think that we need to establish

0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:33.040
<v Speaker 1>what the guidelines are for drones before before an event happens.

0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:36.720
<v Speaker 1>That makes it worse. Right, you don't want to see

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:39.200
<v Speaker 1>someone use a drone in such a way that causes

0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:44.479
<v Speaker 1>a public catastrophe and thus necessitates a very draconian set

0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:48.560
<v Speaker 1>of laws. Okay, Uh, Now that we've got that all

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:50.840
<v Speaker 1>the way, let's talk about commercial U a v s

0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:54.280
<v Speaker 1>because these are a little different. Again. This is where

0:48:54.320 --> 0:48:58.239
<v Speaker 1>you're using a U a V as some sort of

0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:02.400
<v Speaker 1>business use. Now, this could include capturing video or images

0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:05.520
<v Speaker 1>that you plan to sell. Um. If you're using a

0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:07.719
<v Speaker 1>U a V and you're taking pictures and you're just

0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:11.560
<v Speaker 1>doing it for fun, that's that's still a hobbyist use.

0:49:12.200 --> 0:49:14.319
<v Speaker 1>If you are using a U a V for fun

0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:18.080
<v Speaker 1>and you later sell a picture because someone was interested

0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:21.680
<v Speaker 1>in buying it, that's still a hobbyist use because you

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:25.680
<v Speaker 1>were you were using your U a V for pleasure,

0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:30.799
<v Speaker 1>you weren't setting out to make money. But if you

0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:32.840
<v Speaker 1>plan on operating a U a V so that you

0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:37.240
<v Speaker 1>can get footage of stuff and sell it to an outlet. UH.

0:49:37.320 --> 0:49:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Let's say that you are in a in Los Angeles

0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:42.320
<v Speaker 1>and you're using U a V s to get footage

0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:45.759
<v Speaker 1>of celebrities so you can sell it to TMZ. That

0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:50.080
<v Speaker 1>is a commercial use of a U a v UM.

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:52.640
<v Speaker 1>At that point, you are no longer a hobbyist. Also,

0:49:52.719 --> 0:49:54.719
<v Speaker 1>if you use a drone just to do stuff, like

0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:57.640
<v Speaker 1>let's say you own a business and you've got a

0:49:57.719 --> 0:50:00.359
<v Speaker 1>tall building and you're using a drone to fly up

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:02.080
<v Speaker 1>to the top of the building to check on your roof,

0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:06.160
<v Speaker 1>that's technically using it in a business sense. So that

0:50:06.360 --> 0:50:09.000
<v Speaker 1>is a commercial use for U a V. If you're

0:50:09.080 --> 0:50:13.359
<v Speaker 1>using it to UH check like the security of your

0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:17.200
<v Speaker 1>perimeter UH in your business, that is also a commercial

0:50:17.280 --> 0:50:19.320
<v Speaker 1>use of a U a V. It falls under the

0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:22.760
<v Speaker 1>commercial use UH purview, So then you have to follow

0:50:22.760 --> 0:50:26.240
<v Speaker 1>the rules for commercial use, not for hobbyists. The rules

0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:31.680
<v Speaker 1>for hobbyists are largely loose, they aren't nearly as restrictive

0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:35.399
<v Speaker 1>as the commercial uses, because once you go into commercial uses,

0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:39.839
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about commercial aviation. Even though we're talking low

0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:44.600
<v Speaker 1>altitudes generally speaking with unmanned systems, it's still commercial aviation

0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:46.520
<v Speaker 1>in the view of the f a A. That's where

0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:50.000
<v Speaker 1>a ton of different regulations and restrictions come into play.

0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:55.600
<v Speaker 1>So you are someone pursuing a career in aviation if

0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:57.880
<v Speaker 1>you want to use it in a business sense, and

0:50:57.960 --> 0:50:59.960
<v Speaker 1>just because you aren't sitting in a cockpit doesn't mean

0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:04.040
<v Speaker 1>your exempt from the rules of pilots. And as the

0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:07.400
<v Speaker 1>recording of this podcast right now, you would have to

0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:10.000
<v Speaker 1>contact the f a A if you planned on being

0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:13.000
<v Speaker 1>a commercial operator of U A v s and you'd

0:51:13.040 --> 0:51:17.879
<v Speaker 1>have to request a section three thirty three exemption. Now

0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:21.480
<v Speaker 1>this is specifically an exception to section three thirty three

0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:27.399
<v Speaker 1>of Public Law one twelve Dash nine. Really catchy name, right,

0:51:28.080 --> 0:51:31.560
<v Speaker 1>that particular laws what gives the f a A various

0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:37.560
<v Speaker 1>authorizations for the fiscal years between, like I think it's

0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:43.080
<v Speaker 1>two thousand eleven through two thousand fourteen, so technically those

0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:46.480
<v Speaker 1>are are past, but that's the that's still the section

0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:50.120
<v Speaker 1>you would request the exemption from you would also need

0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:54.239
<v Speaker 1>a certificate of waiver or a certificate of authorization, and

0:51:54.320 --> 0:51:55.799
<v Speaker 1>you would have to have a pilot with an f

0:51:55.960 --> 0:51:59.800
<v Speaker 1>a A Airman certificate in order to do this legally.

0:52:00.520 --> 0:52:02.760
<v Speaker 1>Now this could change once the f a A A publishes

0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:05.719
<v Speaker 1>the rules for small U a S operations, but as

0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:09.480
<v Speaker 1>of the recording of this podcast is required. The exemption

0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:13.399
<v Speaker 1>includes a basic certificate of authorization, So one of those

0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:17.120
<v Speaker 1>elements you will get just by getting that exception to

0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:21.799
<v Speaker 1>section three thirty three, and that certificate of authorization allows

0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:25.120
<v Speaker 1>you to operate a commercial u a V below four

0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:28.400
<v Speaker 1>feet altitude, and you would still have to obey the

0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:32.080
<v Speaker 1>restrictions around airports and other restricted airspace. Essentially, you have

0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:36.120
<v Speaker 1>to follow the same rules as hobbyists. Anyone who wants

0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:39.040
<v Speaker 1>to operate outside of those limitations would have to apply

0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:43.360
<v Speaker 1>for a more broad certificate of authorization, which means contacting

0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:46.360
<v Speaker 1>the f a A explaining exactly what you want to

0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:49.280
<v Speaker 1>use the U A V for, how it would be used,

0:52:49.400 --> 0:52:52.719
<v Speaker 1>you know what, what context, what scenario, and then you

0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:55.160
<v Speaker 1>would have to wait upon a decision by the f

0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:59.360
<v Speaker 1>a A to either grant you that certificate of authorization

0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:02.840
<v Speaker 1>or deny it now. Commercial operators must also have a

0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:06.839
<v Speaker 1>pilot certificate. That's because the f a A cannot by

0:53:06.960 --> 0:53:13.040
<v Speaker 1>law authorize aircraft operation in the national airspace without a

0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:18.600
<v Speaker 1>certificated a certificated pilot in command according to Title forty

0:53:18.680 --> 0:53:21.760
<v Speaker 1>nine of the United States Code, section four four seven

0:53:21.800 --> 0:53:25.120
<v Speaker 1>one one. So as a matter of law, you have

0:53:25.160 --> 0:53:28.320
<v Speaker 1>to have a pilot certificate to operate this UV commercially,

0:53:28.400 --> 0:53:31.880
<v Speaker 1>to actually be the person behind the controls. All right,

0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:35.120
<v Speaker 1>but what about the rules about people affected by U

0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:37.319
<v Speaker 1>A v S. And we talked about the hobbyists, we

0:53:37.320 --> 0:53:40.600
<v Speaker 1>talked about the commercial uses. What about everybody else? If

0:53:40.600 --> 0:53:42.960
<v Speaker 1>the U I V Flies over my private property? What

0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:47.000
<v Speaker 1>are my rights? And that is a super tough question

0:53:47.040 --> 0:53:50.360
<v Speaker 1>here in the United States because of lots of different issues.

0:53:51.400 --> 0:53:54.080
<v Speaker 1>First of all, you've got the rights to airspace, and

0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:57.280
<v Speaker 1>this is a big one. So once upon a time,

0:53:57.680 --> 0:54:01.480
<v Speaker 1>property law stated that if you owned a parcel of land,

0:54:01.680 --> 0:54:05.920
<v Speaker 1>you essentially owned everything below it and everything above it.

0:54:06.520 --> 0:54:10.799
<v Speaker 1>So from your home all the way down or the

0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:12.920
<v Speaker 1>property you own all the way down to the center

0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:16.480
<v Speaker 1>of the earth, all of that's your property, and everything

0:54:16.600 --> 0:54:20.880
<v Speaker 1>above your home up to the heavens that's your property too.

0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:25.280
<v Speaker 1>That has changed. That's not the case anymore, largely because

0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:28.240
<v Speaker 1>we have commercial aircraft and they have to fly over places,

0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:33.120
<v Speaker 1>and they obviously could not request permission over every homeowner,

0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:36.400
<v Speaker 1>and so the laws have changed. It is no longer

0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:39.720
<v Speaker 1>the case that you own the property above your land

0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:45.120
<v Speaker 1>all the way up to space. Instead, technically you still

0:54:45.120 --> 0:54:46.640
<v Speaker 1>own the land all the way down to the center

0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:49.440
<v Speaker 1>of the earth. So that's good. But the airspace you

0:54:49.520 --> 0:54:52.879
<v Speaker 1>own above your property, it only extends as far as

0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:56.840
<v Speaker 1>you can reasonably use in connection with the surface. That

0:54:57.000 --> 0:55:00.120
<v Speaker 1>is a matter of law here in the US, so

0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:04.560
<v Speaker 1>reasonably is a matter of judgment. It's not incorrect. It's

0:55:04.600 --> 0:55:08.040
<v Speaker 1>not a clear cut case of below four hundred feet

0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:11.440
<v Speaker 1>you own everything above your land, for example. However, that

0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:15.480
<v Speaker 1>being said, ownership rights do not extend into navigable airspace,

0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:18.880
<v Speaker 1>which in the United States is defined as anything above

0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:23.239
<v Speaker 1>five hundred feet in uncongested areas. So while there's not

0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:28.600
<v Speaker 1>a specific cutoff for where your property ends, it definitely

0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:32.800
<v Speaker 1>cannot extend to five feet. At that point as navigable airspace,

0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:36.120
<v Speaker 1>it is off limits for your ownership. The question is

0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:41.480
<v Speaker 1>how far below navigable airspace to your property rights extent

0:55:41.640 --> 0:55:44.040
<v Speaker 1>at what point is the air above your land still

0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:48.520
<v Speaker 1>your property. Local laws are more likely to come into

0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:51.759
<v Speaker 1>play for airspace ownership than federal ones, so things like

0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:54.920
<v Speaker 1>zoning requirements might limit how tall a building can be

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<v Speaker 1>in a specific area, or how tall structure is allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to be. So let's say that you gut zoning laws

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<v Speaker 1>that limit you and it says nothing over fifty feet.

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<v Speaker 1>While someone might be able to argue that your property

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<v Speaker 1>rights only extend to fifty feet above the ground and

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<v Speaker 1>anything above that is not your property because it cannot

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<v Speaker 1>be reasonably used in connection with the land around it. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>That is of a potential argument someone could make, but

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<v Speaker 1>no one has established this. There's no law that says,

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<v Speaker 1>at X number of feet, your rights as a property

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<v Speaker 1>owner are no longer at play. Um. So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>real mess. And another problem with this is that there's

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<v Speaker 1>already been cases of people shooting down drones or otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>disabling them that have gone in different directions. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>one that came out in the summer of two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen in the United States in Kentucky, in which a

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<v Speaker 1>man shut down a drone using a shotgun. Took three

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<v Speaker 1>shots at it. The drone is lying over his property,

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<v Speaker 1>and that man was William Meredith, and the pilot's owner,

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<v Speaker 1>David Boggs, called police after Meredith essentially said if you

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<v Speaker 1>cross that sidewalk, I'll shoot you too, uh, because Boggs

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<v Speaker 1>came up and said, hey man, why don't you shoot

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<v Speaker 1>down my drone. I was just showing it off to

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<v Speaker 1>people and showing how it works. Um. So the police

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<v Speaker 1>arrested Meredith for wanton endangerment and criminal mischief. Alright, So,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Boggs, he was flying the drone at around

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred feet and there's data on the device that

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<v Speaker 1>backs him up. Says two hundred feet was the limit

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<v Speaker 1>of how low he flew. Uh. Meredith challenged that. He

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<v Speaker 1>said it was closer to one feet, that it was

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<v Speaker 1>below the tree line, and a couple of witnesses testified

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<v Speaker 1>to this as well. Meredith also maintained that he thought

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<v Speaker 1>that the drone was spying on his teenage daughter who

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<v Speaker 1>was sunbathing in the yard. So Meredith was saying, this

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<v Speaker 1>was an invasion of my privacy and the privacy laws

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<v Speaker 1>of Kentucky either way. At that point, the court said,

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<v Speaker 1>and still really the courts had never decided what height

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<v Speaker 1>a person's property rights in, so the question of whether

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<v Speaker 1>the drone was actually trespassing is still an open question.

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<v Speaker 1>It may not have been trespassing because it may not

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<v Speaker 1>have been on the property since it was above a

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<v Speaker 1>certain height. But the judge presiding over meredith hearing dismissed

0:58:22.880 --> 0:58:26.720
<v Speaker 1>the charges against him. So the judge said these charges

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<v Speaker 1>UH don't have merit and dismissed the case. Bog said

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted to push the case to the grand jury

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<v Speaker 1>and try and and see if he could have any

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<v Speaker 1>success there. He also brought a federal lawsuit against Meredith

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<v Speaker 1>in an attempt to establish once and for all what

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<v Speaker 1>the rules are for you a v operation and property rights.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's still going on right now. I haven't seen

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<v Speaker 1>any recent development about that. Last I saw, UH, there

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<v Speaker 1>was still a wait to see if this was actually

0:58:57.000 --> 0:59:00.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna end up going to trial. So there's some astident

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<v Speaker 1>for bringing down drones, but the question is far from

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<v Speaker 1>settled because there are other cases where someone brought down

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<v Speaker 1>a drone and then got punished for it, um they

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<v Speaker 1>were charged with acting recklessly. There's still debates on whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's legal for law enforcement to destroy someone's property, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>by taking down a drone or at least damaging someone's property,

0:59:24.480 --> 0:59:27.960
<v Speaker 1>let alone private individuals or companies. So movie production companies

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<v Speaker 1>have been exploring ways to bring down drones for a while.

0:59:31.360 --> 0:59:33.320
<v Speaker 1>One of my co workers tell stories about how a

0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:38.680
<v Speaker 1>friend of his has been UM and talks with a

0:59:38.720 --> 0:59:43.480
<v Speaker 1>production company about ways to bring down drones and ranging

0:59:43.520 --> 0:59:48.080
<v Speaker 1>from beanbag guns to nets to two jammers that would

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<v Speaker 1>interfere with the signal between the control and the drone.

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<v Speaker 1>UM all sorts of different ways to bring a drone

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<v Speaker 1>down and whether or not that's legal is still an

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<v Speaker 1>open question. It's a bit like the wild West, and

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<v Speaker 1>it will probably continue to be that way until there

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<v Speaker 1>are some firm f A A guidelines in place. An

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<v Speaker 1>individual cases will likely go to court, and that's where

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<v Speaker 1>we'll start to see precedents set by actual court cases.

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<v Speaker 1>Or states will end up passing local laws governing the

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<v Speaker 1>legal use of U A v s and that will

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<v Speaker 1>end up settling the question one way or the other,

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<v Speaker 1>and it will rely heavily on regional laws governing property

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<v Speaker 1>rights and privacy UM so like in in some cases

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<v Speaker 1>courts have decided against people who have used force to

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<v Speaker 1>down the drone, saying it constituted an unreasonable action since

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<v Speaker 1>property wasn't in danger. In other words, there's there was

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<v Speaker 1>at least one case where a guy shut down a

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<v Speaker 1>drone and he had said that he did so because

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<v Speaker 1>he thought it was a c I A surveillance drone

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<v Speaker 1>illegally spying on him, and so he brought it down

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<v Speaker 1>and was brought up on charges of property destruction. And

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<v Speaker 1>the judge ruled in that case that the guy was

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<v Speaker 1>in the wrong, that the guy bringing the drone down

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<v Speaker 1>was in the wrong, that that it did the drone

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<v Speaker 1>did not constitute a threat to anyone's property or person,

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<v Speaker 1>and as such, the actions the guy took were too extreme.

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<v Speaker 1>So again it depends upon the local region. Um in Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 1>the privacy laws and property rights are pretty hefty. That

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<v Speaker 1>might not be the case in some other places in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, let alone in the world. So the

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<v Speaker 1>reason why I wanted to kind of bring all this

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<v Speaker 1>up was just to talk about how complicated is and

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<v Speaker 1>and show how yet again we have a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>technology that has uh developed and evolved far faster than

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<v Speaker 1>the legal system can compensate for. And we're likely to

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<v Speaker 1>see this happen over and over again with robots and

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<v Speaker 1>autonomous cars and all sorts of stuff in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a great way of kind of taking like

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<v Speaker 1>a test case and saying, here's an example, yet another

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<v Speaker 1>example of how technology can get to a point where

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<v Speaker 1>it hits the market. It's available for us to buy,

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<v Speaker 1>but the laws aren't there yet too, say when, where,

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<v Speaker 1>and how can we use this stuff in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that is legal, where we're not infringing on anyone else's

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<v Speaker 1>rights or putting anyone else in danger. It's a complicated thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's also kind of cool, and I'll probably do

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<v Speaker 1>another update to this once the f a A publishes

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<v Speaker 1>their rules if there are any rules that are particularly interesting, troublesome,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, worthy of conversation. If they are essentially codifying

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<v Speaker 1>the rules that have already been set, I probably won't

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<v Speaker 1>do another episode about this, but if they end up

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<v Speaker 1>coming up with other rules or or or other restrictions

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<v Speaker 1>that are particularly interesting, then I'll look into it again.

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