WEBVTT - DARPA Robotics Challenge Results

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Forward Thinking. Hey there, and welcome to Forward Thinking, the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast that looks at the future and says, try to

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<v Speaker 1>be a robot king and settled for a robot boy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jonathan Strickland, I'm Lauren bolck Obam, and our other

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<v Speaker 1>co host, Joe McCormick is not with us today. He's

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<v Speaker 1>perfectly fine. He's on an excellent vacation and we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>back with us soon, but perhaps even on a on

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<v Speaker 1>a on a bogus journey. Thinking of the whole bill

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<v Speaker 1>and ted that I caught it. So today we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about robots. Yes, we are sorry. That was so awkward.

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<v Speaker 1>I inject awkwardness wherever I go. Oh me too. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that I really pride myself on. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that robots pride themselves on is

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<v Speaker 1>being in affiliation with dart Yeah, or at least DARPA

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<v Speaker 1>is prides themselves on their affiliation with robots one or another. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So we've done a bunch of episodes about DARPA and

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<v Speaker 1>their connections to robots the past. Um. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned them all the time, but just this May, we

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<v Speaker 1>did a whole episode about how the organization works, end

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<v Speaker 1>of the projects that they're sponsoring right now, and uh

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<v Speaker 1>that that one was called What's Up with DARPA if

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<v Speaker 1>you would like to check it out. And back in November,

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<v Speaker 1>we did an episode about one of their other robot challenges,

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<v Speaker 1>the Grand Challenge, which is an autonomous car obstacle course

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing, and that one's called robot you Can

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<v Speaker 1>Drive My Car? Yeah, so, uh, and we'll talk more

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about the Grand Challenge towards the end

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of tie in what the more recent DARPA

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<v Speaker 1>Challenge it was all about, because as of the recording

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<v Speaker 1>of this podcast, we're recording it on June nine, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just after the most recent DARPA Challenge finals concluded. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the I mean DARPA, of course, being the Defense Advanced

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<v Speaker 1>Research Projects Agency. I am never going to get used

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<v Speaker 1>to saying that out loud. It's so horrible. That's why. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>DARPA's Robotics Challenge, or the robo Olympics, as my friend

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<v Speaker 1>Laslow has called it, that's a fitting term. It is

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<v Speaker 1>because because they have to do so much, they do

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<v Speaker 1>they well, so I guess would be an octathlon. Octathlon

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<v Speaker 1>tasks for for walking robots. Yeah, that are beautiful and

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<v Speaker 1>fearsome and fall down so much. Yes, there they are

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<v Speaker 1>glorious and fearsome and vulnerable. It's like a Pixar character.

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<v Speaker 1>They are. They are so So what the challenge is

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<v Speaker 1>the Robotics Challenges is it's a competition for teams from

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<v Speaker 1>around the world to build these savvy, adaptable robots that

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<v Speaker 1>are capable of helping with disaster relief related tasks. It

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<v Speaker 1>was announced and has been since then going through various stages.

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<v Speaker 1>First a virtual challenge to guide a simulated robot through

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<v Speaker 1>three tasks in a virtual environment, and then physical trials

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<v Speaker 1>and now the finals. There were prizes for the finals

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<v Speaker 1>two million for the winner, one million for the first

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<v Speaker 1>runner up, and five hundred thousand for the next runners. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so so we're talking some serious money and this is

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<v Speaker 1>typical of DARPA with their challenges, and you could you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that does sound like it's a ton of money, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is, I mean, not to put not to dismiss

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<v Speaker 1>it is a lot of money, but some of these

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<v Speaker 1>teams are investing lots into building these robos. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>way more than that. Much money. Yeah, So really, the

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<v Speaker 1>the challenge is exactly what it sounds like. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a challenge to engineers to develop machines capable of overcoming

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<v Speaker 1>or performing some sort of task in uh, usually some

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<v Speaker 1>trying circumstances. Yes, right, So, because the whole thing was

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<v Speaker 1>spurred by the Fukushima disaster back in afterwards, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of officials started realizing that, you know, there are these

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<v Speaker 1>situations in disaster relief which put human lives in danger,

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<v Speaker 1>not just of the victims of the disaster, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>but the but the human responders. Right sure, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we live in this incredible future and can make hardy

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<v Speaker 1>robots that can go into places or if we don't

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<v Speaker 1>quite live in that incredible future yet, DARPA was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we should build that incredible future. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a nice place to be. So when did they announce

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<v Speaker 1>this specifically, that was April first, which seems like a

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<v Speaker 1>really bad day to announce things if you ask me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just imagine if at the conclusion this past weekend, when

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<v Speaker 1>the winning team steps forward and DARPA's like, here's your

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<v Speaker 1>two million psych April fools. Three years later, that would

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<v Speaker 1>be that would be a great April Fools. That's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>epic April Fool's joke. One that didn't not sure that

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<v Speaker 1>Korea has a pro fools and so spoiler alert the

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<v Speaker 1>Korean team one. So I don't know that it would

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<v Speaker 1>have gone over so well. But yeah, so so the

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<v Speaker 1>the This is exactly what you were saying, Lauren. It

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<v Speaker 1>was an attempt to say, here are some situations that

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<v Speaker 1>we might need to have a robot be able to

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<v Speaker 1>respond to. Here are the various scenarios that the robot

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<v Speaker 1>would encounter. Your job is to go out and build

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<v Speaker 1>a robot that can complete these tasks under this scenario,

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<v Speaker 1>or at the very least, to build software for a

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<v Speaker 1>pre existing robot. Right, yes, so you didn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>go out and build a brand new robot from scratch.

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<v Speaker 1>You could design the software, the brains, the programming that

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<v Speaker 1>would allow the robot to complete the tasks. So as

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<v Speaker 1>long as the robots form factor already allowed it to

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<v Speaker 1>do each of the tasks that were assigned, then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't have to go out and build brand new hardware. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing from from scratch if you didn't want to. And

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, a lot of the teams have used Boston

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<v Speaker 1>Dynamics at Liss Robot. Boston Dynamics, of course, being the

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<v Speaker 1>uh eccentric company uh that that builds uh robo dogs,

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<v Speaker 1>Big Dog and they and they kick adorable robotic dogs that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I just thought about that again and it's still upsets.

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<v Speaker 1>The video left a lasting impression on me. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know the robot can't feel anything, right, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that. I don't know that, but it's still is

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<v Speaker 1>hard to watch um for me at any rate. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about Let's talk about the stages. You mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>that the first one was a virtual challenge. What was

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<v Speaker 1>that all about? Yeah, so this virtual challenge took place

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<v Speaker 1>back in June, and twenty six teams built software to

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<v Speaker 1>control a virtual Atlas robot through three disaster related tasks

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<v Speaker 1>getting into a vehicle, driving it, and getting out that

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<v Speaker 1>that's a single one, Yeah, which, by the way, sounds

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<v Speaker 1>really basic, but when you think about it, it's natural

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<v Speaker 1>for us, but not natural for a robot. I've also

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<v Speaker 1>I can't do that all the time without like bumping

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<v Speaker 1>my knees and falling down, or I stand up before

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<v Speaker 1>my head is clear of the car, like once a week. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>if you ever wonder why I'm a little bit fuzzy sometimes?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you ever wonder why I'm bleeding from the scalp

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't have hair, So it's just there. That's

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<v Speaker 1>that's why, all right. So so that was the first

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<v Speaker 1>task at then walking through an area of uneven ground

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<v Speaker 1>that had mud and debris to contend with a right

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<v Speaker 1>that the ground didn't have the mudd and debris to

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<v Speaker 1>contend with the robot, yes, um. And then the third

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<v Speaker 1>was attaching a hose to a spigott and turning the

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<v Speaker 1>valve alright, So these are things that it might have

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<v Speaker 1>to do in a response situation, for example, putting out

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<v Speaker 1>a fire in an area that had suffered earthquake damage

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<v Speaker 1>or something. Yeah. To make it a little bit more fun,

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<v Speaker 1>the teams also had to deal with simulated communication lags

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<v Speaker 1>and limits, like like limits to the amount of data

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<v Speaker 1>that they could transfer back and forth to the robot

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<v Speaker 1>and uh a lag time of of maybe like five

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<v Speaker 1>dred milliseconds or something like, which again makes sense because

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<v Speaker 1>in a disaster environment some of the infrastructure has probably

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<v Speaker 1>suffered damage as well, so your ability to communicate could

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<v Speaker 1>be limited. Um. In the end, they were judged on

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<v Speaker 1>how well the simulated robots completed the simulated tasks and

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<v Speaker 1>how much control the operators commanded. And from that UH

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<v Speaker 1>one team team I h m C. That's the Institute

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<v Speaker 1>for Human and Machine Cognition out of PENNSI Colla, Florida

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<v Speaker 1>one and today, along with eight other teams, qualified for

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<v Speaker 1>the trials in December. All right, so that moves us

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<v Speaker 1>on to those trials. Yes, a couple of the pairs

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<v Speaker 1>of teams that made it through merged. In the end,

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<v Speaker 1>six teams went on to compete in the trials. That

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<v Speaker 1>was at Homestead Miami Speedway in Florida on December one,

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<v Speaker 1>and the robots were set eight tasks. They had to

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<v Speaker 1>man a vehicle and I wish that there was a

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<v Speaker 1>better word for that than robot a vehicle, Yeah, that thing. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>They had to navigate uneven terrain. They had to climb

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<v Speaker 1>a ladder, remove debris from a door, and then open

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<v Speaker 1>the door, breakthrough a wall like kool aid Man. They

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<v Speaker 1>did not, however, have to yell oh yeah, I really

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<v Speaker 1>hope that they all did though too, okay, and handle

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<v Speaker 1>some valves and again attached a host with spigott. So

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<v Speaker 1>the winning team was called Shaft sc H A F T,

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<v Speaker 1>which I love. Uh they're they're they're out of Japan

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<v Speaker 1>and they had just been bought by Google prior to

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<v Speaker 1>the trials. Now, wait a minute, I'm sure you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get to this, but I don't remember seeing that team

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<v Speaker 1>name when I was looking over the finals. Story about

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<v Speaker 1>that just a moment, Yes, yes, So Shaft really just

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<v Speaker 1>looked robo butt. In these trials, of thirty two possible points,

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<v Speaker 1>they earned twenty seven, which was an entire seven more

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<v Speaker 1>points than even their closest runner up, which was our

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<v Speaker 1>friends I H n C Robotics. Third place, at nine

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<v Speaker 1>points behind Shaft was a team called the Tartan Rescue

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<v Speaker 1>out of Carnegie Melon. Now I've heard about that one.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happened with the Google acquisition of this Japanese company? Uh? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>in June, Google announced that Shaft would be dropping out

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<v Speaker 1>of the finals in order to pursue work on a

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<v Speaker 1>commercial Google project. So, in other words, they said, you

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<v Speaker 1>know this, this research work is fantastic, it's great, but

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<v Speaker 1>we need to dedicate these people to building something that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to become a real world product and not a

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<v Speaker 1>proof of concept kind of tasting out things in a

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<v Speaker 1>scenario environment, and I suspect it also had something to

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<v Speaker 1>do with Google's prior decisions to stay out of military

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<v Speaker 1>related projects, which they have not infrequently said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like thanks guys, but no thanks, We're doing good not

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<v Speaker 1>funding military. We've seen we've seen it go the other

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<v Speaker 1>way where people from projects that were part of the

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<v Speaker 1>military ended up at Google later. But that's different. Yes, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>so they dropped out in June, and the finals took

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<v Speaker 1>place this past weekend as of when we're recording this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast on June five and six. Yeah, over in California

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<v Speaker 1>that they had a dartbed had a contest as well

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<v Speaker 1>for high school students to create a video explaining what

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<v Speaker 1>they how they felt robots fit into the future of culture, society,

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<v Speaker 1>how they were going to integrate, and how they would

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<v Speaker 1>be an important part of our lives. And the winners

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<v Speaker 1>got to go and witness the finals. So that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of interesting. There was a big audience there there there

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<v Speaker 1>have been at the past couple I don't I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure if there was an audience for the virtual trials,

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<v Speaker 1>but definitely for the preliminary the physical trials. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what's interesting also is that if you watch the videos

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<v Speaker 1>from this, I mean that crowd is not shy, they're psyched.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so beautiful. It's like a sporting event. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>really is. And spoiler alert, a lot of these robots

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<v Speaker 1>fell down a lot, and hearing the crowd react to

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<v Speaker 1>the robots falling is heartbreaking. Is they're they're also invested in.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not like laughing at the robots, which honestly I

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<v Speaker 1>tend to do when I'm just sitting on my computer.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially you see, like the animated gifts and like the

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<v Speaker 1>anime gifts make it look hilarious. Like there's a robot

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<v Speaker 1>that it takes a walk, it takes one step forward,

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<v Speaker 1>immediately collapses and and the gift makes it hilarious. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know when you kind of way, yeah, just like

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like like, I mean, it's it's that

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate in being taken down a peg right where you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're ready to compete, one step falls apart. Like it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's like almost like a national Lampoon vacation kind of moment.

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<v Speaker 1>You figured the Griswolds where the team behind Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but but the but the audience who was there? What

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<v Speaker 1>would own? Yeah, every every time a robot fell down,

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<v Speaker 1>like because everyone wanted everything to go Obviously, the the

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<v Speaker 1>performance here meant pushing the field of robotics forwards. So

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<v Speaker 1>it was more than just cheering on your favorite It

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<v Speaker 1>was about cheering on the the advancement of robotics as

0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:27.720
<v Speaker 1>a discipline. Yeah. And and these tasks were not easy

0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.199
<v Speaker 1>tasks that were set to the robots. They were they

0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:34.360
<v Speaker 1>were challenging. Yeah. They Now when we start saying them,

0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.800
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna sound easy because you're going to be thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about it in the terms of a human being completing

0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.000
<v Speaker 1>these tasks. And they're very simple. But keep in mind

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<v Speaker 1>that all these things are tasks that robots have to

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<v Speaker 1>be engineered to do. And only that, but the robot

0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:51.400
<v Speaker 1>has to be engineered to do all of these tasks root. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you think about most robots that you would see

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<v Speaker 1>in your day to day life, Like if you have

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<v Speaker 1>a rumba, that rumba is designed to clean the floor.

0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:02.000
<v Speaker 1>It's not designed to clean the floor plus do the dishes,

0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:06.480
<v Speaker 1>plus or watch your kids, or walk your dog or whatever.

0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.080
<v Speaker 1>It can't do those things and you wouldn't expect it to.

0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Yet these are robots that have to complete these eight

0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:16.520
<v Speaker 1>different tasks and have one robot to do it. Oh

0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.480
<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah, and with minimal supervision from the from the team,

0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.440
<v Speaker 1>right yeah, because again your communication is limited. And the

0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.840
<v Speaker 1>idea was build a robot that can autonomously do as

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<v Speaker 1>much of this as possible, not not expecting any robot

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<v Speaker 1>to be like the Terminator and not need any further

0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.280
<v Speaker 1>direction like go that way and save the people, like

0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:40.480
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing like that, but limited, you know, the more

0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:44.640
<v Speaker 1>limited than the human interaction, the better. So Task number

0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:49.840
<v Speaker 1>one drive. So so here's how this worked. They had

0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:53.080
<v Speaker 1>to drive a Polaris Ranger XP nine hundred, which is

0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.680
<v Speaker 1>essentially like a little not quite an altering vehicle, but

0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:59.920
<v Speaker 1>similar STV kind of thing. Yeah, not even in su

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<v Speaker 1>be more like a little almost like think of like

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<v Speaker 1>a souped up golf cart, so a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>advanced than the golf cart. Um, and the teams had

0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.400
<v Speaker 1>five minutes to alter the vehicle without the use of tools,

0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.080
<v Speaker 1>so that their robots could operate it. So if the

0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.240
<v Speaker 1>robot was at a form factor that did not easily

0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.600
<v Speaker 1>fit into this, they could alter the vehicle, but they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't use tools to do it. So this made me

0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:26.920
<v Speaker 1>think of like cutthroat kitchen. I'm picturing robotics teams just

0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.400
<v Speaker 1>like smashing their hands into panics to reform them or something.

0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:32.640
<v Speaker 1>You can alter this vehicle, but you can only use

0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:36.680
<v Speaker 1>gummy worms. Yeah, it is a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>of a fun twist on that. So the way the

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<v Speaker 1>challenge would start is the robots would already be behind

0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.320
<v Speaker 1>the wheel. They did not have to get into the vehicle.

0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.200
<v Speaker 1>They could be placed in the vehicle. The vehicle was

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<v Speaker 1>already running and in high gear. They said that they

0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.440
<v Speaker 1>chose high gear because it would move the most smoothly

0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.880
<v Speaker 1>out of the gears. But the teams were welcome to

0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.080
<v Speaker 1>design a robot that could shift gears if need be,

0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:05.120
<v Speaker 1>but they didn't have to. Uh. So then the robot

0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.840
<v Speaker 1>had to drive the vehicle from the starting position to

0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:11.920
<v Speaker 1>a different position through an obstacle course, not really an

0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:16.080
<v Speaker 1>obstacle course, but a driving course. Uh. If the robots

0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.880
<v Speaker 1>was to uh collide with one of the barriers and

0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.680
<v Speaker 1>move it, then it would not be eligible for a

0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:26.400
<v Speaker 1>point for the task. And we should say these eight

0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:30.840
<v Speaker 1>tasks represent eight points. So teams were judged on two criteria,

0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.360
<v Speaker 1>the number of points that they were able to accumulate

0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.120
<v Speaker 1>and the time it took the robot to complete the

0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.160
<v Speaker 1>series of tasks. So if you were able to do

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<v Speaker 1>all eight and you had the lowest time, you win.

0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Uh So if you if you ran ran to an obstacle,

0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:48.680
<v Speaker 1>you've got no point. You could also choose for your

0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.560
<v Speaker 1>robot to walk from the starting point to the next task,

0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.440
<v Speaker 1>but then you also time penalty share. Yeah, time penalty,

0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.800
<v Speaker 1>and you don't get a point because the robots not

0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:02.360
<v Speaker 1>operating the vehicle. Um. So really the robot bare minimum

0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.320
<v Speaker 1>had to be able to operate the accelerator and the

0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.919
<v Speaker 1>steering wheel, although you would hope it could also operate

0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:10.720
<v Speaker 1>the brake um because otherwise the robot would just be

0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.480
<v Speaker 1>easing off the accelerator so that it would essentially coast

0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:17.800
<v Speaker 1>into the final position. And then it had to uh

0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:22.440
<v Speaker 1>to get completely past a cut off point that said,

0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:24.920
<v Speaker 1>you know here, once the vehicle has passed this point,

0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:28.399
<v Speaker 1>you have completed the task without going so far as

0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:32.000
<v Speaker 1>to smash into the next obstacle. All right, So that's

0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:36.560
<v Speaker 1>that was the first task. Second task was called egress,

0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:41.680
<v Speaker 1>which I love. It's that's terrific vocabulary. Yeah, it's it's

0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:43.920
<v Speaker 1>it's a little nicer than get out of the DIRN car.

0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:50.560
<v Speaker 1>So that that's the southern version, right. So egress is

0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.359
<v Speaker 1>essentially what I just said. The robot had to get

0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.119
<v Speaker 1>itself out of the vehicle. It could exit out of

0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.160
<v Speaker 1>either side, so it was not required to exit from

0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:01.680
<v Speaker 1>one side versus the other. It had to be able

0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.879
<v Speaker 1>to stand up or otherwise get into its you know,

0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:09.040
<v Speaker 1>mobile format, because you didn't have to have a bipedal robot.

0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Most of the designs were, but you didn't have to

0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.560
<v Speaker 1>design one that way. It's just that when you're talking

0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:18.320
<v Speaker 1>about operating stuff that humans operate bipedal, since that's how

0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.919
<v Speaker 1>we are, that tends to beat. Yeah. So then it

0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:26.359
<v Speaker 1>had to move itself to the next uh task position.

0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.879
<v Speaker 1>So the whole judging, the whole thing is get is

0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.520
<v Speaker 1>allowing itself to get out and walk over to the

0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.600
<v Speaker 1>next point, and that would be another You would get

0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:37.960
<v Speaker 1>a point for the egress part of the task if

0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.280
<v Speaker 1>you were able to do that, or rather if your

0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:46.000
<v Speaker 1>robot were able to do that. After that was door. Okay,

0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.320
<v Speaker 1>so here's one of those things that sounds incredibly simple.

0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.120
<v Speaker 1>The robot had to open a door and walk through

0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the doorway. That's it that's the challenge. So so drive

0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.840
<v Speaker 1>a car is on equal playing field with open and

0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:05.240
<v Speaker 1>walk through it through a door. Yeah. However, spoiler alert,

0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:07.879
<v Speaker 1>this was one of the challenges that was the most

0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:12.439
<v Speaker 1>difficult for the robots. Uh So. It was a push door,

0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.119
<v Speaker 1>and it was a it was a central, a lever

0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:17.239
<v Speaker 1>handled door. It kind of like the one we have

0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.080
<v Speaker 1>to the studio where you have to either push down

0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:22.399
<v Speaker 1>or lift up on the levers and then push the

0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:26.199
<v Speaker 1>door to simultaneously push. There was no threshold, so the

0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.760
<v Speaker 1>robot didn't have to step over anything. That's very kind. Still,

0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.399
<v Speaker 1>a lot of robots fell over in this point. And

0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:34.280
<v Speaker 1>part of the reason why the robots were having so

0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.560
<v Speaker 1>much trouble because that the doors with when you include

0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.560
<v Speaker 1>the door jam, was only thirty three and a half inches,

0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:43.240
<v Speaker 1>and some of these robots were wider than that. So

0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.399
<v Speaker 1>they had to turn themselves, they had to pivot in,

0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.200
<v Speaker 1>or they had to fold their limbs inward and then

0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.560
<v Speaker 1>just kind of, you know, wiggle on through. I've got

0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.320
<v Speaker 1>all these great images of robots attempting to get through

0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.400
<v Speaker 1>a doorway. So yeah, that's the thing is that, in fact,

0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.080
<v Speaker 1>it prompted one guy in the audience to say, when

0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.800
<v Speaker 1>the robot uprising inevitably happens, just close your door and

0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.600
<v Speaker 1>you'll probably be safe. If you have a door and

0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:11.720
<v Speaker 1>you're at the top of a set of stairs, you're

0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:17.040
<v Speaker 1>doubly safe. Um. So, next was Valve, which is where

0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.000
<v Speaker 1>a robot had to buy a game on Steam. Okay, yeah,

0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:24.520
<v Speaker 1>preferably something like uh, well there's the new Fallout, so

0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:28.399
<v Speaker 1>pre ordering Fallout. Oh yeah yeah, actually no, no, it's

0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:30.760
<v Speaker 1>it was actually physical Valve. It was not not the

0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.320
<v Speaker 1>not the game company Valve. It was a terrible joke

0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.639
<v Speaker 1>that I wrote in our notes. Actually in there, I

0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:39.320
<v Speaker 1>was willing to go with it. You know, I think

0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:43.359
<v Speaker 1>that I think that navigating complex internet software is really

0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.520
<v Speaker 1>part of your future of robots. Yeah, you know where

0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:48.240
<v Speaker 1>your robot could just sit at home and buy all

0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:50.399
<v Speaker 1>those games for you. Yeah, exactly. I mean you're not

0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:52.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna play him anyway, You're just buying them because they're

0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:54.720
<v Speaker 1>on sale. Right, Really hate putting my credit card information

0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:56.600
<v Speaker 1>into Yeah, this is going to be valuable. You just

0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:58.360
<v Speaker 1>do it once with the robot and then you're done,

0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:03.439
<v Speaker 1>maybe less with maybe less with disaster situations. So in

0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.800
<v Speaker 1>this case, in this case, they were operating an actual valve.

0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:09.560
<v Speaker 1>It was a circular handle. They had to turn in

0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:13.199
<v Speaker 1>a counter clockwise direction at least three sixty degrees that

0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:17.080
<v Speaker 1>would be considering opening the valve. So this was another

0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:19.200
<v Speaker 1>one that was a little tough. Was you know, design

0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.120
<v Speaker 1>a robot that can grip a circular valve and then

0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:25.639
<v Speaker 1>turn it in this way. Also, the teams only knew

0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:29.399
<v Speaker 1>that the valves size would be somewhere between four and

0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:33.359
<v Speaker 1>sixteen inches in diameter, so they couldn't a gap. Yeah,

0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:35.480
<v Speaker 1>they couldn't just plan in advance, like all right, well,

0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:38.960
<v Speaker 1>we'll just design the robots so that it's hands are

0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:43.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, are precisely molded to this particular valve, right, Like,

0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.800
<v Speaker 1>let's just assume it's twelve inches. It'll be fine. That's

0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:48.600
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily the case. The next step was probably my

0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:51.880
<v Speaker 1>favorite out of all of them. Oh this is this

0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:55.359
<v Speaker 1>is the kool aid Man challenge. Yeah. Wall. This was wall,

0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:57.639
<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't just breaking through a wall, which is

0:21:57.640 --> 0:21:59.480
<v Speaker 1>the way it was always described to me when I

0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:02.679
<v Speaker 1>heard about, well it's really cutting through a wall, and

0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:04.399
<v Speaker 1>and that's and I and I said breaking through in

0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:07.840
<v Speaker 1>the in the previous trial challenge. But but it's really

0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:11.520
<v Speaker 1>cutting through a wall using a drill actually, and the

0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:14.960
<v Speaker 1>wall was dry walls half inch thick drywall, and there

0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:18.720
<v Speaker 1>was a shape that you your robot had to cut

0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:22.000
<v Speaker 1>the shape out of the wall, so I think it

0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:23.520
<v Speaker 1>was like a giant circle, at least the one I

0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:25.680
<v Speaker 1>saw it was a giant circle. Where the idea was

0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:28.000
<v Speaker 1>that the robot had to go pick up a drill.

0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:30.240
<v Speaker 1>The drill was an off position, so I had to

0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:33.720
<v Speaker 1>squeeze the trigger to have it go on. Turn it on, yeah,

0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:38.439
<v Speaker 1>and then insert the drill uh inside the line of

0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:42.520
<v Speaker 1>the shape, trace around that line on the inside, and

0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:46.159
<v Speaker 1>remove the rubble. The idea being that there might be

0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:48.159
<v Speaker 1>a time where a robot would have to have to

0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.919
<v Speaker 1>respond to an emergency get access to controls, but the

0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:54.840
<v Speaker 1>entrance to the control room is otherwise blocked, so this

0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:57.200
<v Speaker 1>would be a way of getting access to stuff without

0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:00.119
<v Speaker 1>being without having to go through the doorway. So it's

0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:02.879
<v Speaker 1>kind of a cool thing, and the pictures and video

0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:05.359
<v Speaker 1>from this section are really interesting. One robot got a

0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:08.400
<v Speaker 1>little over excited, dropped the drill, then immediately turned around

0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:12.240
<v Speaker 1>and walked to the next task, gave up. There were

0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:14.080
<v Speaker 1>two drills by the way, so if you dropped one,

0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:16.199
<v Speaker 1>you could pick up the other one you being the

0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:20.840
<v Speaker 1>robot um. But yeah, that was my favorite. Uh. The

0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:25.199
<v Speaker 1>next one was just called surprise, And this was one

0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:27.800
<v Speaker 1>of those things DARPA like DARPA told all the teams,

0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.280
<v Speaker 1>there will be a challenge that your robot will have

0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:33.480
<v Speaker 1>to do, but we're not going to tell you what

0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:36.320
<v Speaker 1>it is. Yeah, oh yeah, and if we didn't mention

0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:40.080
<v Speaker 1>it earlier, the teams had all of these tasks and

0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:44.320
<v Speaker 1>specifications for all of these tasks, like rough specifications way

0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:47.000
<v Speaker 1>in advance, like at least a year in advantage. They

0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:49.240
<v Speaker 1>had to know what the robot was going to have

0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:51.800
<v Speaker 1>to be capable of doing in order to engineer the robot.

0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:55.639
<v Speaker 1>Really of course, of course, so surprise what what wound

0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:57.920
<v Speaker 1>up being our surprise? Well, at least on one day,

0:23:58.080 --> 0:23:59.600
<v Speaker 1>and I have to look into it to find out

0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:01.399
<v Speaker 1>if it was the same for both, because they said

0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 1>that they had the option of changing out the surprise

0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:07.399
<v Speaker 1>task each day, so that way, no to make it

0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:09.720
<v Speaker 1>more fair, So the teams that go on day two

0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:11.640
<v Speaker 1>don't have an advantage over the ones that day one.

0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:14.320
<v Speaker 1>But at least on one day it was to pick

0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:16.840
<v Speaker 1>up a plug and plug it into an electric outlet,

0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:20.399
<v Speaker 1>which apparently one robot tried like for fourteen minutes and

0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:23.639
<v Speaker 1>then just gave up one of those things. Again. I

0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:26.160
<v Speaker 1>just have you ever seen the video of the one

0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:29.359
<v Speaker 1>little robot arm that picks up like I think it's

0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:30.879
<v Speaker 1>like it's supposed to be a little piece of food

0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:32.920
<v Speaker 1>and it's supposed to put it at the mannequin's mouth,

0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:36.320
<v Speaker 1>but just starts slamming the fist into the mannez. That's

0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:40.159
<v Speaker 1>what I imagine. Um, But you know, so some of

0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:43.800
<v Speaker 1>the robots had trouble with this task of plugging, And honestly,

0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:46.439
<v Speaker 1>I've had issues where I have been unable to plug,

0:24:46.600 --> 0:24:50.879
<v Speaker 1>like my computer into an outlet. I can't blame the robots. Yeah, no,

0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:53.160
<v Speaker 1>not at all. Uh. Then we've got we've got two

0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:56.040
<v Speaker 1>more left. Yeah, so we've we've got we've got rubble. Yes,

0:24:56.119 --> 0:25:00.959
<v Speaker 1>this was just traversing debris or a terrain yield. Uh.

0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Some people said it either involved walking on top of

0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:07.840
<v Speaker 1>the debris or walking through the debris, but the again,

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.440
<v Speaker 1>whichever works for you, I suppose. Yeah, and considering the

0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:17.840
<v Speaker 1>scenarios um uh inspiration the Fokushima event, than having rubble

0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 1>to get through is is a realistic possibility. So some

0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:24.800
<v Speaker 1>of these robots just would walk over them, like the

0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Boston Dynamics approach is to maintain balance while walking over

0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:31.359
<v Speaker 1>uncertain terrain. Some of them were designed so that they

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:35.240
<v Speaker 1>could go onto four limbs and they had like treads

0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:38.440
<v Speaker 1>on four limbs, I could roll over it. In fact,

0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 1>the Carnegie Melon one had that, and the the Um treadmills.

0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:49.120
<v Speaker 1>The treads rather were essentially on the shins and foe

0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:51.320
<v Speaker 1>arms of this robot, so not on the hands and

0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:54.280
<v Speaker 1>feet on so it would get down on its shins

0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:57.639
<v Speaker 1>and its foe arms and roll across. Uh. So that

0:25:57.680 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 1>was kind of cool, fascinating. The last one was a

0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:02.560
<v Speaker 1>set of stairs that had a rail on the left side,

0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:05.240
<v Speaker 1>no rail on the right. And as we all know

0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:08.360
<v Speaker 1>from Dr Who not that the doaleks are robots, but

0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:11.840
<v Speaker 1>they have robotic elements yea, and robots hate stairs. Robots

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 1>hate stairs. You might have heard about Asimo, which is

0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 1>capable of walking up and downstairs, but only if you

0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 1>program exactly how many stairs are in the sequence and

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:24.439
<v Speaker 1>how high they are. It is not good at just

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 1>you can't just put it in front of any staircase

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:28.840
<v Speaker 1>and be like, go suck at yeah and be like

0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I'll see you on the top, and it doesn't happen

0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:34.359
<v Speaker 1>that way. So stairs are tricky, and so you know,

0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 1>you hear a lot of crowds, Like if you watch

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:39.400
<v Speaker 1>the last few minutes of any of these runs where

0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:41.400
<v Speaker 1>the robots are climbing the stairs, you hear the crowd

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:47.879
<v Speaker 1>going nuts as the robot very slowly and carefully traverses

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:51.400
<v Speaker 1>the stairs, like like there's a four minute video of

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:55.720
<v Speaker 1>the of the winning team just slowly going four minute

0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 1>might be a little much, but it's you seeing it

0:26:57.640 --> 0:26:59.560
<v Speaker 1>slowly going up each step and everyone the crowd is

0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 1>just going the entire uh. And then, of course, because

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:06.160
<v Speaker 1>this is a darker challenge, there was a twist. Yeah,

0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:08.960
<v Speaker 1>it's like a m night shya milan. Yeah. Yeah, you know,

0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:11.879
<v Speaker 1>you gotta gotta keep those robots on their proverbial or

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:16.080
<v Speaker 1>literal toes as the case. Maybe. So this year, each

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:18.880
<v Speaker 1>of the eight challenges had been practiced with a time

0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:22.440
<v Speaker 1>limit of thirty minutes per challenge, but on the day

0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:25.359
<v Speaker 1>of the competition, the robots were given an hour to

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 1>complete all eight. That's incredible together, so ha, that like

0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:35.679
<v Speaker 1>gets my blood pressure going, like just thinking about what

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:38.840
<v Speaker 1>those robotics teams on site must have been feeling. Yeah.

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean you're talking about you thought you were going

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 1>to have four hours and you have one hour. That's

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:48.240
<v Speaker 1>a big change. So let's talk about the folks who

0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:51.160
<v Speaker 1>actually won. Uh So, Like I said that, the first

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:55.439
<v Speaker 1>place team came from Korea, South Korea specifically, and that

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:59.720
<v Speaker 1>was Team k A I S T KIST KIST and

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 1>they had DRC Hubo as their robot. The winning time

0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:06.960
<v Speaker 1>was Remember they had one hour to complete all these

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:11.160
<v Speaker 1>four minutes twenty eight seconds. They did complete all eight tasks,

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 1>so uh more than fifteen minutes to spare. And like

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:18.639
<v Speaker 1>I said, I was watching the this one and the

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:23.120
<v Speaker 1>crowd went totally bonkers. To keep in mind, now, they

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:26.440
<v Speaker 1>were not on the first day's events, so at the

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:28.560
<v Speaker 1>end of the first day there was a different team

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:31.359
<v Speaker 1>that was in the lead. So this was one of

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>those things where you yeah, um. And there's also a

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:39.480
<v Speaker 1>preparation video for this particular robot that was hilarious. Did

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 1>you see this. It's like watching one of the movies

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:46.600
<v Speaker 1>from the Rocky franchise because the robot is like in

0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 1>a training montage. Uh So, it's showing the team working

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:52.960
<v Speaker 1>on various things for the robot to do, like the

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of precise movements that needs to do to do

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 1>things like turn valves to plug a hose into evalve,

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:02.400
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff. And it also showed the robot

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>doing push ups to show the robot doing a fighting pose. Yeah,

0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 1>something like like okay, this is this is cute. Also

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 1>doing stuff like climbing a ladder. It climbed the ladder backwards,

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>like like the part of the torso you would identify

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 1>as the front. Keep in mind that robots don't necessarily

0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:24.240
<v Speaker 1>have a front and back. That could be it's only

0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 1>it's only what you have told it is. But to them,

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 1>it looks like it's backing up, and it's the way

0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:33.080
<v Speaker 1>it's arms bend. It looks like it's backwards because elbows

0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 1>are going up and it's lifting itself up backwards up

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:39.120
<v Speaker 1>a ladder. I suppose, I suppose that the balance spots.

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 1>That makes way more sense. We should all be going

0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 1>up ladders backwards. Really, when you think about it now,

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 1>and this ladder, I should say it's more like a

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:48.400
<v Speaker 1>step ladder than not a ladder ladder, not a rung ladder,

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 1>more like a step ladder. So I had a little

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 1>rail and everything so the robot could hold on to

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:57.080
<v Speaker 1>the sides, so they won first. Second place was our

0:29:57.200 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 1>friends team I h M C out of Pensacola. They

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 1>were using an altered Boston Dynamics Atlas bought called Running Man,

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 1>and upon completing the course, it struck this amazing victory

0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 1>post at the top of the stairs and then promptly

0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:17.120
<v Speaker 1>fell right over like it also completed all eight tasks

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:21.280
<v Speaker 1>and did so in fifty minutes twenty six seconds, so

0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>it was just about six minutes slower than the other

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 1>one in a competition. Third place was Carnegie Melon's Team

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Tart and Rescue and it's robot Chimp. So Chimp is

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:37.400
<v Speaker 1>a robot that has really long arms. Oh that one okay.

0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:39.960
<v Speaker 1>It's also the one that had the treads on its

0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 1>forearms and shins. Now, Chimp was able to complete all

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 1>eight tasks in fifty five minutes fifteen seconds. Chimp was

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 1>the leading contender at the end of day one. Oh

0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Chimp also had fallen over and was the only robot

0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>to fall over and right itself. All the other robots

0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 1>had to have the team's come over and look at

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 1>the robot and try and get it back up on

0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 1>its feet. Yeah, it's it's it's legopendages its ponds. Yeah.

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>So but but you know, chimp was in a shoot

0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 1>all help and got up on itself. And I watched

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:21.920
<v Speaker 1>the video of this, and this is freaky to watch

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 1>the video because it's essentially twisting its legs and in

0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>ways that organic lifeform legs do not twist, and using

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 1>those treads to help get it back up to a

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 1>four m base. Yeah. Yeah, that that one, um, that

0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 1>that would kind of creeped me out. It's it's a

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:41.840
<v Speaker 1>little bit creepy looking. I think it's reminded me of

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 1>like maybe like the Wheelies from Return to Oz or something. Yeah,

0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I can see that. So those three

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 1>teams were also the only three to complete all eight tests.

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 1>None of the other teams managed to do that. Four

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 1>teams completed seven, one team completed six tasks, two teams

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:04.080
<v Speaker 1>complete five tasks, two teams completed four tasks, four teams

0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>completed three tasks to complete to one completed one, and

0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 1>then four teams didn't complete any successfully. Yeah. But they

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:17.720
<v Speaker 1>it shows how like even even as we said these challenges,

0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 1>like you clemoss stairs and for most people, that's not

0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 1>a big issue. You open a door for most people,

0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 1>not a big issue. Um, the walling across debris could

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 1>be a little tricky depending upon the type of debris.

0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 1>But a lot of these are tasks that most people

0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:35.080
<v Speaker 1>would find incredibly simple. But it demonstrates how these simple

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 1>tasks are really tough engineering challenges. Like when you figured

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 1>that only three teams were able to successfully complete all

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:46.520
<v Speaker 1>eight and only just under an hour, right, And these

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:48.640
<v Speaker 1>are yeah, sensibly some of the some of the best

0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 1>teams in the world in robotics right now, incredibly talented,

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 1>intelligent and and motivated people. So the cool thing is

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 1>that it shows us while these tasks have been really difficult,

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 1>they are ones that can actually be achieved through robotics,

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 1>and um, it's it's pretty pretty cool stuff. The whole

0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 1>point was to show that robotics could be pushed to

0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 1>completely specific tests, and it was taking them out of

0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 1>the lab. That's one of the big one of the

0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 1>big criticisms about technology in general is that we often

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.360
<v Speaker 1>see it in the R and D phase in the laboratory,

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 1>where it's a very controlled environment. And in that controlled environment,

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 1>of course, you would expect success rates to be much

0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:41.720
<v Speaker 1>higher because you have control over everything. But but most

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:45.040
<v Speaker 1>robots are not going to be in laboratories if they're

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 1>ever going to be useful. Yeah. Yeah, For if we're

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 1>talking about a first respond to robot, it has to

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 1>be able to adapt and respond to real world situations.

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 1>And this is what that challenge was really about, was

0:33:56.920 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 1>how well could you design a robot that could, uh,

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:02.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, you know ahead of time what it's going

0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:05.560
<v Speaker 1>to have to do. And to some extent, that's going

0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:08.400
<v Speaker 1>to be the truth for at least the foreseeable future

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:10.719
<v Speaker 1>where robots. Robots are going to be designed to do

0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:14.719
<v Speaker 1>specific things and anything outside of that they may or

0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:18.840
<v Speaker 1>may not be able to do based upon the stuff

0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:22.160
<v Speaker 1>you've programmed into that robot. But you know, it all

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 1>depends upon the design and programming of the robot with

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 1>foresight thinking these are the things this robot is typically

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:32.400
<v Speaker 1>going to encounter, so here's how the robot needs to

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:35.480
<v Speaker 1>be able to respond, and anything that goes outside of

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:40.319
<v Speaker 1>that is really hard to design in a robot right now. Yeah, Yeah,

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 1>it's that old old problem of how do you tell

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 1>how do you tell a machine to specifically do something

0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:47.960
<v Speaker 1>when you don't know what that thing is. Yeah, and

0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 1>so the special you know, surprise was an example that

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 1>it was. It was a variation on something that the

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:58.920
<v Speaker 1>robots were already doing. So it wasn't like it was

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 1>completely lf field. It wasn't like, uh, you know, um,

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:06.279
<v Speaker 1>you've you've got a cook an omelet, wasn't something like that,

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:11.880
<v Speaker 1>you know it right, yeah, go buy games on Steam

0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 1>and wasn't anything like that. So uh, you know, but

0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:18.840
<v Speaker 1>even then you see that some robots had real problems

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 1>with that. But this does mean that we are pushing

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:25.120
<v Speaker 1>the field of robotics further as a result, And I

0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 1>think that by identifying specific challenges, it gives engineers the

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:33.919
<v Speaker 1>focus they need to be able to design the systems

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 1>that are capable of meeting those challenges. Right, So instead

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:40.239
<v Speaker 1>of just having a wide open field where you say,

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:42.760
<v Speaker 1>there's going to be an emergency situation, design a robot

0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:46.600
<v Speaker 1>to respond to it without any more direction. That's hard

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 1>to do. So the other point being that that this

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:55.239
<v Speaker 1>also helped advance the the idea of how much communication

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:58.840
<v Speaker 1>to humans need to be able to have with the

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 1>robot for it to be able to complete these challenges.

0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:04.759
<v Speaker 1>So a lot of these challenges the DARPA was saying, well,

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 1>we expect that some of the robots at least will

0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:09.839
<v Speaker 1>be able to respond to a fairly simple command and

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:13.520
<v Speaker 1>carry it out, like go from this point to that point,

0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 1>don't fall over. Not all the robots were able to

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:21.359
<v Speaker 1>do that, obviously, but the dark but also the organization

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:25.360
<v Speaker 1>I was saying, we don't expect any robot to be

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:28.480
<v Speaker 1>able to go from start to finish with no human

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 1>contact contact at all, because to complete a single task

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 1>is one thing, but to chain them together in a

0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 1>logical formation is another. So you wouldn't tell the robot, Hey,

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 1>I need you to drive to this point, Get out

0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:43.279
<v Speaker 1>of the vehicle, walk up to this door, open it.

0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 1>Go through the door. You're going to see a wall

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:47.360
<v Speaker 1>with a shape on it. Cut the shape out of

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:50.240
<v Speaker 1>the wall, remove the rubble. Then you're gonna have something

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:53.279
<v Speaker 1>we don't know what it is. Then you're going to

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.360
<v Speaker 1>have to like you can't. You can't just tell a

0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:59.080
<v Speaker 1>robot that. It's much easier for right to to be

0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 1>able to put that that input in every once in

0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 1>a while to go like, oh, here's the part where

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 1>they're stairs, exactly, this is the stairs part. And because

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:11.000
<v Speaker 1>otherwise it's trying to climb the vehicle and it's just

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:13.439
<v Speaker 1>not you know, yeah, it's identified you know, a little

0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Timmy as the first step, and that's not going to

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 1>go well, uh, at least not for Timmy. So the

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:23.480
<v Speaker 1>comparison I wanted to draw here was one of the

0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:28.280
<v Speaker 1>earlier DARPA challenges, the Grand Challenge. So with the Grand Challenge,

0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 1>we saw all these teams trying to build automas cars

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:35.120
<v Speaker 1>that could go through various obstacle courses. The first one

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:38.439
<v Speaker 1>was a desert course. Then they had a simulated urban

0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:42.120
<v Speaker 1>environment complete with you know, traffic and other things estrians

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:45.640
<v Speaker 1>that the cars had to contend with. And we saw

0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:49.840
<v Speaker 1>simulated pedestrians. Yes, yes, we saw no let me no

0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:54.960
<v Speaker 1>little Timmy, We're gonna need another Timmy. I think that

0:37:55.080 --> 0:38:00.759
<v Speaker 1>was from Dinosaurs, the television series. Um. But the uh,

0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:04.640
<v Speaker 1>the takeaway I wanted to give was that while that

0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 1>wasn't intended to make automous cars reality the very next day,

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:12.720
<v Speaker 1>what it did was it pushed the discipline forward, literally

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:16.080
<v Speaker 1>pushed it forward, and we saw lots of people from

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<v Speaker 1>the various winning teams go into other organizations, including Google,

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<v Speaker 1>to develop the autonomous cars that are on the brink

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<v Speaker 1>of coming out on the consumer market. Now, within the

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<v Speaker 1>next few years, we we will probably see the first

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<v Speaker 1>steps and they'll probably be limited it first. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>because of that grand challenge that we're as far along

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<v Speaker 1>as we are. Sure. Yeah, and all these challenges, of

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<v Speaker 1>course also just raise public interest and excitement in the fields.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, watching video of families that were out

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<v Speaker 1>watching the finals was so amazing, like getting to watch

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<v Speaker 1>the looks on kids faces and and yeah, and hearing

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<v Speaker 1>the cheers and the and the gasps from the crowd

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<v Speaker 1>whenever the robots were doing anything. It really does seem

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<v Speaker 1>to serve as an inspiration for people to get into

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<v Speaker 1>the stem part of education, right, to look into science, technology, engineering,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, mathematics. Yeah. I was like, what's that fourth one?

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<v Speaker 1>That that one that we're all terrible at in this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast room English lit. Major If you listen to that

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<v Speaker 1>other episode where I suddenly reverted to my primal self.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah. This this is one of those things where

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<v Speaker 1>you really you've got to admire it from multiple reasons. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of we're trying to solve a real world problem.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens in the face of an event like Fukushima.

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<v Speaker 1>How can we design something that could potentially save countless lives? Also,

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<v Speaker 1>how can we inspire the next generation of engineers to

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<v Speaker 1>want to get into that, to do that, and to

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<v Speaker 1>go beyond when we've even envisioned so far. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>really been great to look into this. I'm glad we

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<v Speaker 1>were able to do an episode about it and talk

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<v Speaker 1>about all the fun and foibles of robots, um whether

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<v Speaker 1>they're upright or falling over. Uh. It was really a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fun to talk about this. So if you

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