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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What

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Speaker 1: You Did.

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Speaker 2: My name is Millie to Jericho.

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Speaker 3: I'm Daniel Henderson, and we are here.

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Speaker 1: To discuss the cinema with you once again. What's up, Danielle.

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Speaker 1: How's the weather up there?

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Speaker 3: Weather's been beautiful, it is spring is perfect. It's like

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Speaker 3: rainy when it needs to be rainy, and then it's

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Speaker 3: like a nice mist comes over in that humidity as

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Speaker 3: the temperature rises, and then it's just clear blue skies.

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Speaker 3: It's truly gorgeous out here. And I've been sitting outside

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Speaker 3: a lot because I hate the world, so sit out

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Speaker 3: there and zone out a little bit and work out there,

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Speaker 3: and it makes me feel better for the day.

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Speaker 2: But what about you?

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Speaker 3: How are you doing good?

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Speaker 1: It's so hot right now that I'm beginning to regret

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Speaker 1: moving back to Georgia.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I was here.

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Speaker 1: I moved here in the dead of summer last year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know if I was just like working

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Speaker 1: off of pure adrenaline or something, but I somehow figured

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Speaker 1: out how to be in August in Georgia.

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Speaker 2: And then now I'm like, uh, it's too hot.

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Speaker 3: It's too hot, and it's only June, so you don't

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Speaker 3: you're not even looking forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta we gotta get to July fourth, because

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Speaker 1: then it's like from there it just gets miserable.

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Speaker 2: But I I did do something.

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Speaker 1: I was I was proactive this time because I was like,

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Speaker 1: I want to fucking swim in a pool, and where

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Speaker 1: do I do that?

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Speaker 3: You bought a pool?

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Speaker 2: Not I wish I got a pool?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 1: Okay, what can you imagine as a renter just putting

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Speaker 1: in an in ground pool and a rental? Would that

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Speaker 1: be so fucking funny?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially since it's like it's only been a week

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Speaker 3: since we recorded and we talk every day, so it'd

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Speaker 3: be great if you were like, ps, I put in

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Speaker 3: a pool. Just didn't tell you that. I know.

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Speaker 1: And it's like because when I was, you know, when

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Speaker 1: we were both living in La right, it's like a

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Speaker 1: lot of people rent almost their entire adult lives. So

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Speaker 1: you know, I have had friends that have done a

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Speaker 1: lot of construction on their rentals right right, like redone

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Speaker 1: the floors and you know, put in lighting and all

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Speaker 1: that stuff. And I was always like, wow, that's kind

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Speaker 1: of insane. But hey, if you're gonna rent forever and

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Speaker 1: you have rent control. Why not make your space look

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Speaker 1: nice as long as your landlord is fucking show with it, right.

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Speaker 2: But putting in a.

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Speaker 1: Pool, I think is like the next level and would

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Speaker 1: be extremely expensive as a renter to put it in

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Speaker 1: a pool in your in your rental.

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Speaker 3: But I feel like if you put in a pool

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Speaker 3: as a renter, I feel like you are officially declaring

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Speaker 3: squatter's rights. You Oh, I am never leaving this house.

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Speaker 3: I hate to break it to you now.

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Speaker 1: I would be so happy if I had a pool

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Speaker 1: in my backyard, but I just joined the why.

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Speaker 2: I just joined the why. The one that's near my

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Speaker 2: house has an indoor and.

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Speaker 3: An outdoor pool.

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Speaker 1: Oh nice, And it's incredible, especially if you go like

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Speaker 1: during the day, like during the week, it's like true

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Speaker 1: Grandma hours. There's like nobody there except for the occasional

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Speaker 1: like water aerobics grandma.

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Speaker 2: And it's definitely my vibe. Like I'm like, I love it.

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Speaker 3: We know that you are all about a Silver Sneakers

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Speaker 3: time frame.

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Speaker 2: I deserve to be here. I am, I'm old enough

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Speaker 2: to be here.

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Speaker 3: But that squatter's rights, squatter's rights at those fucking Silver

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Speaker 3: Sneakers And you're like, I'm just here now, and you're

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Speaker 3: gonna deal with it. So I love that you joined the.

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Speaker 1: Why well, and I I want to talk to you

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Speaker 1: speaking of aging. Okay, I don't know if we've ever

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Speaker 1: talked about this before. It has been front of mine

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Speaker 1: But I actually think that, like I don't know about you,

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Speaker 1: as I've gotten older, I think I've begun to say

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Speaker 1: to I don't know, just sort of like body stuff,

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Speaker 1: you know, and part of that is age for sure.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just wondering whether or not you've had an

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Speaker 3: You know, I kind of have, And I think that

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Speaker 3: the realization that I've had is that nobody cares. So

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Speaker 3: what I mean by that is the stress and pressure

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Speaker 3: that I put on myself because I'm not the size

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Speaker 3: I used to be, or was when I was a

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Speaker 3: teenager and a malnourished adult. For you know, most of

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Speaker 3: my twenties I was very slim, and then when I

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Speaker 3: how do I feel day to day? And you know,

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Speaker 3: like do I want to feel stronger or do I

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Speaker 3: want to feel better in some way? Like do I

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Speaker 3: want to change how I'm eating so I have more energy?

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Speaker 3: Like from a very scientific point of view, is how

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Speaker 3: I treat my body? My whole attitude towards my body

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Speaker 3: change when I realized nobody cares about this as much

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Speaker 3: willing to live up to someone else arbitrary standards anymore, right,

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Speaker 3: And you know, you can feel I think it's been

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Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of positivity has come out

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Speaker 3: of like the you know, the body positivity movement. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: it's a little oppressive where it's like a lot of

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Speaker 3: yourself no matter what, And you're like, but am I

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Speaker 3: think that it's been really revolutionary for me to see

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Speaker 3: so many different types of people at different points in

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Speaker 3: who are aging. And that's weird to say because we're

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Speaker 3: all aging, right, but I mean like people who are

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Speaker 3: fifty sixties above, who are just like, yeah, I feel fine,

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Speaker 3: I don't care. I'm wearing whatever i want and I'm

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Speaker 3: doing whatever i want. I think that's really been kind

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Speaker 3: of revolutionary, and I'm really happy that it like happened

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Speaker 3: in our lifetime. And when I think about, like, well,

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Speaker 3: how I apply that to myself. That's the kind of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's great. That's that's great to hear because

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's so strange because I remember when

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Speaker 1: I was well. First of all, to give you a

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Speaker 1: in Danielle's words, a big bitch. Always like there might

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Speaker 1: have been like the first year and a half where

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Speaker 1: I was like a baby, but then yeah, I was.

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Speaker 2: I was always like a bigger girl all through my

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Speaker 1: I mean, God, bless my mom, but you know, she

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Speaker 1: put me on like every fucking diet you can imagine.

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Speaker 1: I was like in weight Watchers when I was twelve

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Speaker 1: fucking tried it all. Trust me, I've tried it all.

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Speaker 1: I've been there of you know, been on so many

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Speaker 1: And the funny thing is is that I don't really

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Speaker 1: And so childhood it was sort of like, yeah, there's

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Speaker 2: Weird, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I think we're trying to unpack all that.

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Speaker 2: Love that, oh totally. It's very inspiring and I always

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Speaker 1: I'm like, God, damn, I wish I had that when

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Speaker 1: I was always told I think in my twenties and thirties,

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Speaker 1: I always had older friends and they were always telling me, Man,

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Speaker 1: it kind of goes back to that conversation that we

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Speaker 1: Feet Under thing, where there was that episode where basically

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Speaker 1: the Kathy Baits character and the mom character from Six

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Speaker 1: Feet Under decide to start like shoplifting because they are like,

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Speaker 2: Aged women, were invisible, no one, no one cares about us,

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Speaker 1: And how that's depressing maybe on the outside, but then

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Speaker 1: there's there's some kind of like weird liberation that's kind

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Speaker 1: of tough. Yeah, And I was always told that that's

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Speaker 1: the that's the vibe, is that like suddenly no one

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Speaker 1: longer this like young fertile, you know, flower, so you

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Speaker 3: And ately remembering that scene in ab fab and absolutely fabulous,

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Speaker 3: falls in the grave.

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Speaker 2: It's like that when you get like people just expect.

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Speaker 3: You to drop.

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Speaker 1: You're just falling into graves, falling into open holes. But that,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I think I've truly been feeling the liberation

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Speaker 1: the thing where like I don't know, I just am like, well,

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Speaker 1: fuck it. If no one gives a fuck, if no

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Speaker 1: I want to do whatever the fuck I want to do.

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Speaker 4: Like I yes, there will be people who are rude

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Speaker 1: at this point, and if you you know, and again,

441
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, it's that thing of like, well,

442
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: as long as you feel good, it doesn't fucking matter

443
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 1: what you do. I mean, you don't have to do

444
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: anything as long as you know that it's it's not

445
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 1: coming from a place of shame or anything. It's coming

446
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: from self love. I mean, I feel like that's just

447
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: anything applies. And I'm just I think that at the

448
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: end of the day, I like who I am now

449
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: more than ever, and I have stopped getting so caught

450
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: up in the fucking bullshit of feeling like I need

451
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 1: to be more different for people, and especially for you know,

452
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 1: the people who look like who I thought was looking right,

453
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, because that's a really powerful motivator to do

454
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,959
Speaker 1: good and bad stuff. And for me, it was always

455
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: the thing that was like, you know, making me nervous

456
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: about fucking getting into a pool or doing anything. And

457
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: I'm just like, fuck it, I'm over it, and I'm

458
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: just I'm just glad to be at this point now.

459
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 2: It just feels so much better.

460
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 3: You know, I could truly cry again, but I think

461
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 3: one breakdown per episode is I don't know.

462
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: Listen, Okay, let me just tell you something right now,

463
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: daniel Danielle is out here making other people cry all

464
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: the time. Y'all don't know this, but I have gotten

465
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: so many emails from people. Weirdly enough, I have gotten

466
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: like at least a half dozen emails from straight men

467
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: who have said to me, Danielle made me cry this episode.

468
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: Danielle actually made me tear up this episode.

469
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: So Danielle.

470
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: The big joke, by the way, is that daniel is

471
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 1: out here making men cry, which is the greatest thing

472
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: in the world.

473
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 2: So in a way, maybe there's a little bit of

474
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 2: payback for.

475
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: That, is that we've cried on this episode for the

476
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: times that made all these other people cry.

477
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 3: Look, the brand remains strong. I like to suck people

478
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 3: in with comedy and then make them fall apart. It's

479
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 3: my favorite thing in the world do. It's also what

480
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 3: I love as a writer, Like when I'm working on

481
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: scripts and stuff and I'm just like, oh, what if

482
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 3: they say this, and then everyone in the room is like,

483
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 3: God damn, that's that makes me want to cry, and

484
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, that's how you know it's good.

485
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 2: Let's do it. I'm ready. I'm ready to do a

486
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 2: group cry.

487
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: But what makes again, what makes me want to cry

488
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 3: and in a good way, is that again as someone

489
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: who just absolutely adores you. I am so glad and

490
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: I have seen this change in you, and I can

491
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 3: feel it in you that you are finally seeing yourself

492
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 3: the way that we have always seen you. You are beautiful,

493
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 3: you are strong, you are smart and hilarious and just

494
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: one of the most kind and generous and giving people

495
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 3: on this planet. And that you're giving even a little

496
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 3: bit of that back to yourself and using it to

497
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 3: make your life better is all I've ever wanted for you.

498
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 2: So thank you.

499
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 3: I'm just inspired.

500
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,479
Speaker 2: I thank you.

501
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 1: I want that for you too, I want that for

502
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: everybody that I care about, and it's it is, truly

503
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: the best gift is to have, you know, a level

504
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: of self acceptance about stuff that you were, you know,

505
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: feeling some kind of way about. So I it's a

506
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: work in progress. Not to use that term. Everybody's using

507
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: that term. Everybody's using it, but it's true.

508
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 3: It's true, and it's again, it's inspired. And I don't

509
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 3: know if you feel this way, but I feel like

510
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 3: when you do reach that point, which again I reached

511
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: at age five, where I'm like no chumps in my

512
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 3: life at all. Ever, man, when you do reach that point,

513
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 3: are you noticing that it gives you more space to

514
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: actually bring more goodness into your life, either from yourself

515
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 3: or with the people that you now surround yourself with.

516
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's it's like a night and day scenario.

517
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: Like the other day, I was literally saying this. I

518
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: was like telling a friend of mine, like the space

519
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: that I used to hold for worrying about fucking dudes,

520
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: let's just use an example, fucking dating fucking dudes that

521
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: weren't worth the shit, like people that I just used

522
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: to you know, have drama with or whatever. It doesn't

523
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: even matter if it's dudes, work people, friends or whatever.

524
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: If once I reclaimed that time, I was able to

525
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: fucking do shit like this, like do a fucking podcast,

526
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: like go out there and try things and be curious

527
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: and like live life and not you know, fucking sit

528
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: around smoking cigarettes worrying about whether or not dudes we're

529
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: gonna fucking text me back. I'm like, holy shit, Like

530
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: it's a revolution, babe. I'm like, yo, you have so

531
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: much time and energy to really invest yourself and like

532
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: make make life so much better. And I just am like, again,

533
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to think about it too much because

534
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, uh, former self, you were really stupid. But

535
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: it is that thing where I'm like, why I used

536
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: to waste a lot of time and now I'm working

537
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: towards better things and it's it's fucking beautiful.

538
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: So yeah, don't beat yourself up too. Don't beat that

539
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: past Milly up too much, because she was also doing

540
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: some shit too and working on her mind and you know,

541
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: digging into her interests and she was fine, yes, but

542
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 3: so don't beat her up too much. But I really

543
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: do love that. I love where you are now. I

544
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 3: love it, and I think that it's again just beautiful

545
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: and inspiring. And I think that being friends with you

546
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: is part of what keeps me in that space where

547
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: I'm always trying to be, you know, just focus on

548
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: what's good about myself, and it's just, you know, it's

549
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: just truly beautiful and inspiring. And I just love you

550
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 3: so much. And I'm just really really happy that you're

551
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: talking about this and that we can talk about it too.

552
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: Youay, well, thanks, I appreciate your support. You're such a

553
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: good friend, and I'm so glad that I have you

554
00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: in my life.

555
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna send you that picture I texted you the

556
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: other day and the guy whose face was melting all.

557
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: That's what I feel right now, like raw, like ah no, it's.

558
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: Like that, and a picture of Blall coming out of

559
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: the toilet.

560
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: I little let me tell our audience right now, listeners.

561
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 3: Since we had since we put up that episode with

562
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 3: basket case, I think Millie has sent me seventy five

563
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: gifts of Bila jumping out of the basket and I

564
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: laugh every fucking side.

565
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: Who was Who was the codsole on the internet that

566
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: made all those gifts? That's all I have to say.

567
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, these gifts were made. The gifts are gifts.

568
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: If you know what I'm saying.

569
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: It is it makes me laugh every time, and it

570
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: will until the end of time. It is. I'll be

571
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: ninety years old in a fucking home and get a

572
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: fucking hologram text for Milly that's Bola.

573
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: Jump out of the basket, and I will.

574
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: Cry laughing in the vein of talking about self acceptance

575
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: and love. We've got a great theme this week.

576
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: We do why don't you tell the people our theme?

577
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: So this week we are we are discussing and exploring pride.

578
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 3: It is Pride Month and we wanted to bring you

579
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 3: a couple of films that we think fit really well

580
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 3: into that, into the aesthetic of Pride Month and into

581
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 3: the messaging of Pride Month, and yeah, we just kind

582
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: of wanted to bring some things to the forefront about

583
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: how films have always looked at homosexuality or sexual identity,

584
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: and these two are fucking great.

585
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

586
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: You know, what I really like about these two in

587
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: particular is that they're they're kind of so they're older films.

588
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you could definitely say that for your film,

589
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: but even my film Late Nineties was a long time

590
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: ago now.

591
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: Scary, but they both are.

592
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: Kind of in interesting moments in gay culture, so like

593
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: the eighties and the late nineties, and you know, but

594
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: both still pretty different from modern times and how modern

595
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: films and TV and entertainment address gainess or what have you.

596
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: And so I don't know, it's going to be interesting.

597
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: And I also think too, like your film is working

598
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: on so many different levels too. And I've seen it,

599
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: you know a few times, but this time when I

600
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: rewatched it, it really was like shocking to me, like

601
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: how many different topics are brought up, so not just sexuality,

602
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: but like class and you know, immigration, status and you

603
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: know Race.

604
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: I mean, it's fantastic.

605
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: I like, these two movies are really fun and I

606
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: can't talk about them.

607
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 3: They're very fun to put in conversation with each other.

608
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: And I think I was also thinking a lot of

609
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 3: when I was watching these both which which you know,

610
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: I watched as a double feature kind of back to back,

611
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 3: and I was thinking not only how far we've come

612
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: in America, which even though we still have long way

613
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: to go, I like where the conversation is now compared

614
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: to where it was, Like, I think that there's more

615
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: interesting shit happening, more you know, people finding space.

616
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: And I love that.

617
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: But I also think that it's good to remember that

618
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 3: I don't know, just I kind of feel like it's

619
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: good to remember that gay rights in this country in

620
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 3: particular have only ever really been focused or in the

621
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 3: early days, we're only really focused on one type of queerness.

622
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: So again, like I just really liked that the reminder

623
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: that we've come at least some distance, and that, you know,

624
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: I was raised in a family that was very open

625
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: and positive. My mom had gay friends, and my grandparents

626
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 3: had gay friends. Like literally everyone in my life had

627
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 3: someone who was gay, and either whether they were out

628
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: or not. You know, we were family friends and close

629
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 3: enough to know that, and so I've seen I've just

630
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: seen this expression of love kind of grow over the years,

631
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: and I just really I'm happy for the people in

632
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 3: my life who never had to struggle with that, like

633
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: the younger people in my life, and have always been

634
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 3: able to find space. But I'm also really happy to

635
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: kind of revisit a time when it wasn't easy for

636
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 3: people to just be who they were. And I think

637
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 3: it's okay to look at these movies as a way

638
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 3: to explore it. There's something I want to say about

639
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: my movie, but I want to save it for my movie.

640
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 3: But basically, you know, we don't always have to mire

641
00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 3: stories about queerness in it being destructive or sad.

642
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: And I just really like that, Well you feel like

643
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: getting into him, then of course I do.

644
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 2: Okay, am I going first? Yeah?

645
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: Why do you think I'm so excited?

646
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 2: Interesting?

647
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: Well, my film for the theme of Pride Month is

648
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: a movie from nineteen ninety nine. It was written by

649
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: Brian Wayne Peterson and directed by Jamie Babbitt. It's called

650
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: but I'm a Cheerleader.

651
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 4: I'm not preferred.

652
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: I get good grades, I go to church. I'm a cheerleader.

653
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 2: I don't know about you.

654
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: I remember when this movie came out, and I watched

655
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: it like six times in a row. I saw it

656
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: at the movie theater. In fact, I know exactly the

657
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: movie theater.

658
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 2: I saw that.

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Speaker 1: I saw it at the Plaza Theater in Atlanta, Georgia,

660
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Speaker 1: all six times.

661
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Speaker 2: So thank you Plaza. The Plaza knew me by name.

662
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were like, why is this girl here to

663
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: see this movie again? But so, this is the first

664
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Speaker 1: film by the director Jamie Babbitt. She has directed lots

665
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: of things short films, features a lot of great TV shows.

666
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: She directed episodes of The Gilmour Girls, The L Word,

667
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: Silicon Valley, Russian Tall, et cetera.

668
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Speaker 2: So Still out Here, Still work In.

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Speaker 1: We love it so right off the bat, Like, one

670
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Speaker 1: of my favorite things about this movie is the style

671
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Speaker 1: of it. I mean, obviously, it's so super fun, bright, colorful,

672
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: kind of like a send up of like the fifties

673
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: and sixties.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yes, it's so saturated with color that makes everything

675
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 3: more absurd and fun.

676
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, I love it.

677
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: And I actually read that the director Jamie Babbitt said

678
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: that it's specifically inspired.

679
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: By John Waters, Barbie and Edward scissor Hands, which he

680
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: loves the whole mashup.

681
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: What a what a what a great deep bench of inspiration.

682
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Speaker 1: So a synopsis of the film is kaming Asha, a

683
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: popular high school cheerleader, is given an intervention and sent

684
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Speaker 1: to a residential gay conversion home by her homophobic parents,

685
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: who hope that she will be cured of her lesbianism.

686
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Speaker 3: Beautiful one sentence.

687
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, just to get into it a little bit,

688
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: the popular cheerleader of this film is played by Natasha Leone,

689
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: which I love playing against type I would say, wouldn't

690
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: she say?

691
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 3: Oh? Even her voice in this film, like is intentionally different.

692
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

693
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: I love that she is playing this cheerleader. It's so

694
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: It's so fun. And also her parents, her homophobe parents,

695
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: are brilliantly casted because they're played by Mins Stole and

696
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: Bud Court Kittie any better than that.

697
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Speaker 3: I mean it still every time I see them pop

698
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 3: on screen, and I've seen this movie a lot, it

699
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 3: still makes me so happy.

700
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so fun.

701
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: So at the beginning of this film, Megan, who is

702
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 1: the Natasha Lea owned character, she's introduced as this all

703
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: American girl, blonde, cheerleader, a good Christian, she's got a

704
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: boyfriend who is the head of the football team, all

705
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: that stuff, right, But all signs are pointing to her

706
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: being shall we say, just a little different, right, And

707
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: this is something that the movie underscores, sort of the

708
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: ridiculousness of gay stereotypes and like traditional gender roles, right,

709
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: and in fact it's weird. I think a lot of

710
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: comedy in the late nineties was about this, from gay

711
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: filmmakers especially.

712
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: I think we talked about when we talked about the

713
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: opposite of sex.

714
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Speaker 1: So here's the thing. Everyone in Megan's life thinks that

715
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Speaker 1: she might be a lesbian. And here are the reasons why,

716
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: again to talk about like these really ridiculous stereotypes.

717
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 3: These reasons send me every time.

718
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 1: Number One, she hates kissing her boyfriend, which, to her credit,

719
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: he is a gross nightmare kisser. It's awful, Like I

720
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: truly feel sorry for her that moment when she's I mean,

721
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: this guy is literally all tongue all over the face

722
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: and she's just like staring off into the middle distance,

723
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 1: like someone kill me right now.

724
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 2: This guy's terrible.

725
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 3: But also at that moment where you're too young to

726
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: know that it's okay to tell someone there kiss her,

727
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 3: or like ask them to not assault you with their

728
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 3: fucking tongue.

729
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the.

730
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Speaker 1: Thing, is that there's a moment, there's a moment in

731
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Speaker 1: the movie where I think she does go but maybe

732
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: it's just because he's not doing it right. So you know,

733
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Speaker 1: she's having that moment of processing where she's like, I

734
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: don't like kissing this guy. Is it because he doesn't

735
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Speaker 1: know how to kiss me? Or is it because I

736
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Speaker 1: don't like kissing the guy?

737
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

738
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Speaker 1: Which is which is interesting, That's an interesting sort of

739
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: thought to have come across in a film. But so

740
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Speaker 1: she hates kissing her boyfriend number one, number two, she

741
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: has a picture of a woman in a bikini hanging

742
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Speaker 1: in her locker, which.

743
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Speaker 2: I don't know. At first, I'm like, I don't know,

744
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 2: is that a big deal? But who knows?

745
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: Right, I guess, I guess in high school in the nineties.

746
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: Well that's her argument too, though, And you think about it,

747
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: someone who's athletic and who's you know, it's not that weird,

748
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 3: but she's I like it. It's presented in this murkier way. Yes,

749
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 3: because this is a film where she's not declaring her

750
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 3: own sexuality. She is saying, there's nothing wrong with me.

751
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: I'm straight and I just happen to love looking at

752
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 3: women's bodies. And so it's very interesting that it's presented

753
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 3: in a murkier sense because in the beginning, you're kind

754
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 3: of like, wait, where are they going this? Like what

755
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 3: are they trying to say about her that makes her

756
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 3: makes them think that she's she's gay, And it's all

757
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 3: based on stereotypes.

758
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: Sure, and and I think too in the in this era,

759
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: I think it wasn't as nuanced as we see it now, right,

760
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: Like there wasn't this sort of like, well, who cares

761
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: if she likes looking at women?

762
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: Who cares?

763
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 3: You know.

764
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Speaker 1: It's like I think it was a little bit more

765
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Speaker 1: of a of a binary scenario.

766
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 2: Right. So, so she's got a woman in her locker.

767
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: Then this is where it's getting into funny territory. She's

768
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Speaker 1: a vegetarian, which is like her mom says.

769
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Speaker 3: You tried to make us see tofu, I fucking lose it.

770
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: And then they put this like plastic bag of tofu

771
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: like they found like cocaine, Like they're just like we

772
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: found this, you know, and also back then it's like,

773
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Speaker 1: I love the whole idea that being a vegetarian men

774
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: she were like some weird hippie meant meaning that you

775
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: were gay, Like okay, it was.

776
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: Never a good connotation back in the day.

777
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: And then of course the last be maybe the biggest indictment,

778
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: she loves Melissa Ethridge.

779
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 2: Which you know, shit, what all you gonna say about that?

780
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 3: Can you? I know that you can remember. I would

781
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 3: like for everyone younger than twenty to imagine a time

782
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 3: when people did not know Melissa Ethridge was gay, so

783
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 3: like the revelation even of her being gay was a

784
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 3: pop cultural explosion.

785
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: God, there are so many like like when people didn't

786
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: know Liberanci was gay.

787
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Speaker 2: I mean, come out.

788
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: We've been on this road forever, Like people's Grandma's being

789
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: out here being like, no, we're gonna get married.

790
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 2: I'm like, are you joking right now?

791
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 3: Look, I have a family friend, of course, I call

792
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: her my aunt because we're black obsessed with George, like

793
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 3: genuinely thought she was going to marry George Michael one day. Yeah,

794
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 3: and when he came out I think it ruined her

795
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 3: life a little bit. Not because she's homophobic, but because

796
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: she's like, oh, I have literally no chance at all, exactly.

797
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: You know, I gotta say I might have thought that too.

798
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: When Fame came out, I was like, wow, like he's

799
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: the hottest guy I've ever seen. And I'm like, oh, wait,

800
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 2: he's not. He doesn't like women. Okay, well, no chance,

801
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 2: you know, no chance.

802
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: Not that I even even it was straight, like I

803
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: had had a chance with him.

804
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: Come on, gorgeous George.

805
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 3: That's the best part. George Michael in a fucking Everything

806
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 3: she Wants video and you're like, he's cute, and then

807
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: you're like, I genuinely can't. He will never care.

808
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: It will never care.

809
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: Life ruining.

810
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 2: Okay.

811
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Speaker 1: So so there's all these little, all this little checklist

812
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: things happening with Megan. So one day she comes home

813
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: from school and her friends and family are in the

814
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: living room and they're with this strange man, a guy

815
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Speaker 1: named Mike who uh is from a place called True Directions.

816
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: And Mike is played by RuPaul.

817
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: Who is out of drag in this film, and he's.

818
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: Playing this like butch coach guy to the best of

819
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: his ability.

820
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: By the way, Like, oh my.

821
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Speaker 3: God, I love this moment. I loved this moment. I

822
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 3: just love seeing him being in this living room being

823
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: like talking about things that he is in his real

824
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: life as an entertainer been condemning. So it's kind of

825
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 3: like it's a send up, Like he's definitely yes doing

826
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 3: this role as a send up and it works out perfectly.

827
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Speaker 3: And I also will take this moment to mention I'm

828
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 3: technically related to RuPaul, not in the black otway that

829
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 3: his first cousin married my first cousin. What yeah, And

830
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 3: I've so like I've never met RuPaul, but if I

831
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 3: ever did, I'd be like, what's up? We am?

832
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: What about the family reunion shirts?

833
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: Come on, you gotta get something going.

834
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 3: Look, I'm looking for the Charles. The Charles side of

835
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 3: the family's got to get it popping, because the Henderson's

836
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: side of the family is not doing shit.

837
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: We're we're not organizing this barbecue.

838
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: Fuck that. What the fuck?

839
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: That's a lot of work too much, Like, oh, we

840
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 3: gotta feed other people. Fuck it.

841
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: That's like my family too.

842
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: They don't want to get together with fucking anybody. So

843
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 1: loner families, these fucking families of ours, Oh my god.

844
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Speaker 2: But so here's the thing.

845
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: Basically, Megan gets sent to True Directions, which is this

846
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: like gay conversion therapy facility. Like I said, it's run

847
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: by this small group of ex gays quote unquote it's

848
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: what they call themselves, including Mike, and also headed up

849
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Speaker 1: by this woman named Mary, who is played by Kathy

850
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: Moore already, who I fucking.

851
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 3: Love, beautifully cast yet again the best.

852
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: So Megan gets there right and she meets all the

853
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: other residents who are also these young people kind of

854
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: around her age, and it's a vast assortment of people

855
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: from like all races, genders, all walks of life, which

856
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: was actually intended by the director from what I read,

857
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: she wanted to make sure that there was like an

858
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: Asian person and a Latino person and a you know,

859
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: a Jewish person, so it was kind of cool. But

860
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 1: they're all kind of in various stages of their treatment.

861
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: And one of the girls, I have to say, is

862
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Speaker 1: played by I Saw what You did favorite Melanie Lynskey.

863
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 3: Oh tiny baby Melanie Lynskey. She is so adorable in

864
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 3: this movie and hilarious, so cute.

865
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Speaker 2: Also Mary's son. Were gonna talk about Mary's son.

866
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: Rock by the way, so like I was gonna say,

867
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: he that. What is really funny and is a nice

868
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: touch about this film is that Mary's son, who, by

869
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: the way, is played by Eddie Cibrian, So for all

870
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: you Real Housewives people you might know him, but he

871
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: is the gardener and kind of the groundskeeper for the facility, which, again,

872
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: if you heard us talk about all.

873
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: That heaven allows, his name is Rock. I mean, come on, that's.

874
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: Obviously a nod to that, right, I'll just say this

875
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: about everybody.

876
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,479
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't have to tell you this, but in.

877
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: This film, everybody's in this facility, and everyone, including the staff,

878
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: are having much difficulty.

879
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 2: With pretending to be straight. Okay, duh.

880
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: There are people who are out right sneaking out of

881
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: the facility, sneaking off to make out and have sex.

882
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: They're having sexual fantasies about each other, including Mike, who

883
00:47:55,080 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: is watching Rock like do suggestive things with like the

884
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: handle of a shovel.

885
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 2: Basically, Mike and.

886
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 3: Rock are flirting NonStop, while Mike is actively like trying

887
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 3: to teach people how to be straight by like cutting

888
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 3: wood with an axe and.

889
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: Bullshit like that.

890
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, and we know that this is a

891
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: fucking farce, right, I mean, obviously, it's a comedy. But

892
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 1: you know, one of the more rebellious and I would

893
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: say saltier residence is this lesbian named Graham, who was

894
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: played by the one and only Clanagible.

895
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: She's the one in the.

896
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: Facility that's like, Yo, this is bullshit, right.

897
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: She's got like no time for the bullshit.

898
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: But also she's the daughter of this like really rich,

899
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: scary white motherfucker, and you know, so she's got a

900
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: lot going on.

901
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: In her life, right.

902
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: She's being deeply oppressed because her whole livelihood depends on

903
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 3: her pretending to be straight, yes, so that her father

904
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 3: will like continue to support her, support her in any way.

905
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 3: And it's also like the cruck of his love for

906
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 3: her is that she has to be straight.

907
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: Think about the film is that a lot of comedy

908
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: is coming from this idea that these people are taking

909
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: these ludicrous, over the top steps to become a straight person, okay,

910
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 1: which is totally informed by these really over the top,

911
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: like gender stereotypes of course, And part of it, like

912
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: the initial part of the treatment is that they had

913
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: to figure out what their root or like root cause

914
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: of their queerness is, right, and they go around the

915
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,479
Speaker 1: room saying what it is, and.

916
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: It cracks me up every time.

917
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: Graham says that the reason why she is gay is

918
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: because she saw her mother get married in pants.

919
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 3: That is the one that I lose it every time.

920
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: And another rule says that she was simply born in France.

921
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 2: Which is why she might be gay. That cracks me

922
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:00,959
Speaker 2: up so much.

923
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: But I mean, as you can imagine, the days go

924
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 1: by and Meghan and Graham start getting closer and closer,

925
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: right because Megan's the all American cheerleader girl. Graham's that

926
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: kind of salty, you know, riot girl esque, you know,

927
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: bad girl quote unquote in the facility, and over time

928
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: they kind of fall for each other and they end

929
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: up like sneaking out one night with these two former

930
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 1: patients of True Directions, one of whom is Richard mal

931
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: who played Bowl from Night Court.

932
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 3: Again, the casting of this film should have received an oscar.

933
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh my god, there's so many great I mean

934
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: not just the people, the principal characters, but there's so

935
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 1: many great cameos in it.

936
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like.

937
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: Julie Delphi's in it Ione Sky makes an appearance. Fucking

938
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: Michelle Williams plays like one of like Meghan's friends from

939
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 1: her high school.

940
00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of amazing.

941
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: So these two guys are covertly like taking these kids

942
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: out of the facility and bringing them into the city

943
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: to go to this gay bar, the town gay bar

944
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: called the Cocksucker.

945
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 3: Of course, I love so much about this moment, but

946
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 3: especially when Megan is kind of like, oh, so they

947
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 3: run like an underground gayrail road.

948
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 2: They're sneaking us out. Yeah, and so and so at

949
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 2: that point.

950
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: It gets a lot more complicated from this point of

951
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 1: the film because Megan is actually starting to come into

952
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: her own as an out lesbian, right, and she wants

953
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: this romance with Graham, like you said, though Graham's got

954
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: this pressure from her family to graduate. And but the

955
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: crux of their love story is very sweet, and you know,

956
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: there are moments where they have like really beautiful intimacy

957
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: and like they're just you know, it's like two young

958
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: women who are in this awful place and they're just

959
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: trying to like live basically, and I love that the

960
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: movie is about that, and it is a sweet love

961
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 1: story between them. But you know, from like I said,

962
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: from that point on, from like from when they sneak out,

963
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: it becomes you know, all help breaks loose, as you

964
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: know we like to say in this podcast. And I

965
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 1: won't give it away, but I love this film. I mean,

966
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: I feel like it is a fun, a really fun,

967
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: comedic look at the absurdity of gay conversion. And just

968
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: like those tired stereotypes of sexuality and gender, you know,

969
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: all that stuff was kind of front of mind in

970
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: ninety nine and so and from late today's perspective, it's

971
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: a little like again, it's not as nuanced maybe, but

972
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: it was.

973
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: It's a fun film.

974
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: It has a great soundtrack, by the way, because let

975
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: me tell you, in ninety nine, that.

976
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: Was my big tweet pop year.

977
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: So I loved Dressy Bessie and April March and Gohot Sailor.

978
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: I had all those albums on repeat. I still love them.

979
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean it's just I loved this movie

980
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: so much when I saw it because it like, it

981
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: just felt like this really fun breath of fresh air.

982
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: But I was also kind of talking about all these

983
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: other topics and I don't know, the world that it

984
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: created was so fun to watch. And yeah, I think

985
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: it's a great film, and I think I.

986
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 3: Agree, I agree, and I think what's cool about this

987
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 3: movie is there's a moment where you realize, because Megan

988
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 3: and Graham are talking that it hinted at something that

989
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 3: was yet to come, but it was kind of planting

990
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 3: a seed, which is there is not just one way

991
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 3: to be gay. And I think that the guys who

992
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 3: took them to Cocksucker were also saying the same thing

993
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 3: that like you. At one point they say to Megan,

994
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 3: you know, you just have to be who you are,

995
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 3: because she's like, I don't know how to be a

996
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,479
Speaker 3: lesbian and they're like, well, you just are, so because

997
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 3: she's like, can you teach me how to dress and

998
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 3: live like a lesbian? And they're like, m honey, you know, yeah.

999
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 3: First step is understanding that you just are. And I

1000
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 3: really like that, you know, she's not She likes being

1001
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 3: a cheerleader and Graham likes being salty, and they just

1002
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 3: like who they are beyond their sexuality. They just like

1003
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 3: who they are. And so I think that these are

1004
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 3: just two teenagers who are realizing there's not one way

1005
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 3: to be anything in this world and I can just

1006
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 3: go out there and be myself. And this is a

1007
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 3: movie that I think is in It's not supposed to

1008
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 3: have messages because there's just one overall intensive message, which

1009
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 3: is like gay conversion therapy is fucking a crime, and

1010
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 3: that you know, stereotypes fuck us all up. But I

1011
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 3: think that that little message within there is always really

1012
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 3: a very crucial part of this film to me, and

1013
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 3: I love it. It's just it's just it's a fun,

1014
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 3: strange film that I don't I can't believe there are

1015
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 3: people who haven't seen it, but if you haven't, please

1016
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 3: watch it.

1017
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that over the so, you know, I

1018
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: think it got kind of caught up in that whole

1019
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: like indie movie thing in the nineties, but I feel

1020
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: like it's become sort of a cult classic at this point,

1021
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: Like it played at the New Beverly in LA recently,

1022
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 1: and I know that, you know, people are talking about

1023
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: it more as being sort of a cult film because

1024
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: it has that sort of vibe. It has a John

1025
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: Waters tim Burton esque. I mean, I won't say it's

1026
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: a Tim Burton film. It's not Gothic or anything, but

1027
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: it's that, you know, that kind of like fake fifties

1028
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: reality type of thing where you're like, oh my god,

1029
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: Like it really plays up the notions of like that

1030
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: fifties monoculture thing.

1031
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 2: It's great. Like I love the costumes. I love the.

1032
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: Weird shit like in the house where they have to

1033
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: wear blue and pink all the time and it's like.

1034
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 3: It's like that plastic y kind of fabric and then

1035
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 3: they have.

1036
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: This like, oh my godness, it almost feels like an

1037
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: old film strip in that way where the last so

1038
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: the final thing that they have to do to graduate

1039
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: is to like simulate straight sex and the boys are

1040
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: they're all were these like nude body suits with like

1041
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 1: the leaves over the private parts that I'm.

1042
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 2: Like, that is so fucking weird. It's like watching like an.

1043
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: Old film strip about sexuality from when you were like

1044
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: in middle school.

1045
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yes, oh good, it's so bonkers. It's I love

1046
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 3: that you picked this movie. It's fantastic.

1047
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely fun to watch. And uh yeah, So what

1048
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: about your film this week?

1049
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 3: Well, my movie as we move into celebrating officially celebrating

1050
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 3: Pride Weekend this coming weekend, but it has been Pride

1051
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 3: Month all month. My film was released in nineteen eighty five.

1052
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 3: It was directed by Stephen Frears and the screenplay is

1053
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 3: by Hanif Kureaishi and my film is My Beautiful Laundry.

1054
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: It'll be going into profit any day now, partly because

1055
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: I've hired a blow of astounding competence and strength of

1056
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: body of mind to look after me.

1057
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 2: Ah, I love this movie.

1058
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 3: How long has it been since you've seen this? Or

1059
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 3: when do you think the last time was he saw this?

1060
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: Oh, it's actually been pretty recently. I would say probably in.

1061
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: The last four or five years.

1062
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 1: I watched it when I used to work on this

1063
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: this application called film Struck, and I remember we added

1064
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: this film to film Struck and I watched it then,

1065
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,919
Speaker 1: So that was probably about five years ago.

1066
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: So, oh, my goodness, I love that. I haven't I

1067
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 2: hadn't seen it in a while.

1068
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 3: It's been like over ten years since I saw it. Wow,

1069
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 3: So I was very psyched to revisit. I this is

1070
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 3: again one of those films that just stays with you.

1071
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 3: It's has stayed with me through time, and I think that,

1072
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 3: you know, I'll talk a little bit about why I

1073
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 3: chose it later on, but it's just a different kind

1074
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 3: of film. And I think that because it was released

1075
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 3: in eighty five, it's talking about a different time that

1076
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 3: people often either view one particular way and completely remove

1077
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 3: the narrative of sexuality from or they just forget. And

1078
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 3: so I thought it was kind of interesting to see,

1079
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 3: you know, again, where we've come from in terms of

1080
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 3: how we celebrate ourselves. And my one sentence synopsis of

1081
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 3: this movie is living in Thatcher era England was so

1082
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 3: fucking stressful people didn't even have time to consider their sexuality.

1083
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 3: Very true, very true. So this cast is fantassdeek. This

1084
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 3: is the movie that gave us Daniel day Lewis for

1085
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 3: bet you know, for all intents and purposes. This is

1086
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 3: before Room with a View and before you know, all

1087
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 3: the other movies that he went on to do. And

1088
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 3: Daniel day Lewis plays Johnny, who's kind of this street

1089
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 3: thug squatter and he's one of the main characters. And

1090
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 3: the other main character is Omar who's played by Gordon Warnecki,

1091
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 3: and we're just kind of like we get into the

1092
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 3: lives of both of them through their relationship, but we're

1093
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 3: mostly focusing on Omar, like he's the primary character in

1094
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 3: this film. And it's even for that time period. This

1095
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 3: was kind of a revolutionary move because there were not

1096
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 3: many films focusing on young Pakistani people. At all, but

1097
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 3: especially young gay or queer Pakistani men. Right, So, Omar

1098
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 3: is living in South London. He's trying to find his

1099
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 3: way in the world. As the movie progresses, we find

1100
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 3: out that his mother has died by suicide and his

1101
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 3: father w Husain has kind of just like taken to

1102
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 3: bed and decided to never leave. And we again, as

1103
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 3: the movie progresses, we kind of understand a little more why.

1104
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 3: But in the meantime, Omar's kind of caring for this

1105
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 3: father who's not ailing but is ill in some way,

1106
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 3: whether it be you know, mentally, emotionally, he's just kind

1107
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 3: of done.

1108
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely like the King of the misanthropes. He's

1109
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, over it and I'm just gonna chill here.

1110
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: And I love. What I love too about rewatching this

1111
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 3: movie is you know, kind of looking up different facts

1112
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 3: and Rashan set who plays Papa Hussain, was only like

1113
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 3: in his forties when he played that role, and he

1114
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 3: looks ancient and like he looks like a withered old

1115
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 3: vine when he's playing this role, and you're like, wait,

1116
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 3: he was only like forty something, yeah, right, But he

1117
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 3: plays that misanthropic role to a fucking tea. And he

1118
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 3: has his brother, Naser, who's Omar's uncle, and so Naser

1119
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 3: decides to kind of get Omar started in life because

1120
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 3: he's living on the dole and doesn't quite know what

1121
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 3: he wants, what he wants to do, or where he

1122
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 3: wants to go. So Nasser, who's been pretty successful, starts

1123
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 3: by hiring Omar to work in his parking garage, and

1124
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 3: then he kind of gives him this rundown laundrette to

1125
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 3: run because Omar is like, I want to do more

1126
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 3: than just you know, we're like working in this parking

1127
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 3: garage and washing cars occasionally is fine, but I have

1128
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 3: a feeling that I want to do something else. So

1129
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 3: this whole setup of the film is kind of like

1130
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 3: you're learning the dynamics of Omar's family, and one night,

1131
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 3: on the way home from a really weird family party,

1132
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 3: Omar and his family kind of get attacked in their

1133
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 3: car by this group of like fascist white thugs. And

1134
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 3: they don't get physically attacked, but they're like, you know,

1135
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 3: kind of banging on the car and just being very menacing.

1136
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 3: And instead of shying away from that scene and you know,

1137
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 3: speeding away, Omar does something very strange, which is he

1138
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 3: opens the car door and marches directly up to Johnny,

1139
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 3: who's played by Daniel day Lewis, and kind of happily

1140
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 3: tells him that they should get back in touch. And

1141
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 3: you're like, wait a minute, what is happening here? Yeah,

1142
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 3: So what we learn is that we're meeting both Omar

1143
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 3: and Johnny at pivotal points in their lives where they

1144
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 3: both want to change. And like you said earlier, this

1145
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 3: movie is as much about race and class issues as

1146
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 3: it is about sexuality. So Johnny and Omar grew up

1147
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 3: together and Hussein kind of used to teach Johnny and

1148
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 3: all the kids in the neighborhood about life. But then,

1149
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 3: like a lot of people in this time period, Johnny

1150
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 3: grew up to be kind of a fascist. And then

1151
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 3: it's slowly revealed that he and Omar used to be lovers,

1152
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 3: and so you're kind of learning, like, wow, how does

1153
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 3: someone go from having a Pakistani lover to being a

1154
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 3: fucking fascist in this era? But you kind of you know,

1155
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 3: Omar is such a he's such a lovable character. He's

1156
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 3: so like bright and fun and funny, and he's trying

1157
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 3: to help Johnny. So he brings him, he kind of

1158
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 3: brings him on as a partner in this laundrette, which

1159
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 3: is really weird for Johnny because he starts getting more

1160
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 3: mixed up in the family affairs and he's sort of

1161
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 3: having his life changed by the very kind of people

1162
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 3: he once purported to hate, which is deep for him.

1163
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 3: And at the beginning of the film, for example, like

1164
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 3: we see Johnny getting kicked out of his squat, but

1165
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 3: then later in the film, once he starts working for NASA,

1166
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 3: he becomes the one who's booting people out of their squats,

1167
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 3: and then NASA kind of gives Johnny the room of

1168
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 3: this poet that he kicked out, So he's really having

1169
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 3: a lot of internal struggles about like who am I?

1170
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 3: Who am I going to become? What is happening to me?

1171
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 3: And then it's also revealed that you know, again, Hussey

1172
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 3: needs to kind of help all of these boys. They

1173
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 3: were just friends growing up, and there was a pivotal

1174
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 3: moment where he saw all of those same boys grow

1175
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 3: up and start taking part in these anti immigration marches,

1176
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 3: and Omar says, you know, Dad was really afraid and

1177
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 3: he took it out on Mom, which hints to like

1178
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 3: that's the reason she died by suicide, but it also

1179
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 3: gives you a deeper understanding of why Hussein just kind

1180
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 3: of gave up, right, So he's looking at this world

1181
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 3: and kind of saying, like what the fuck.

1182
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's always so So the brothers are like so

1183
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: so interesting to me because you clearly have one who

1184
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: sort of so they're both immigrants obviously, and that's a

1185
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: huge part of this story for me, is the idea

1186
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: of you know, people immigrating from countries and coming here

1187
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: to you know, live the dream or the you know,

1188
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: basically participate in this like you know, Western economy or whatever.

1189
01:04:54,600 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: And you know, one of the brothers is wants the success,

1190
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: wants that like money and power, and the other is

1191
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: more of an intellectual and wants to like instead realizing

1192
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: that he doesn't want to be like a capitalist. He

1193
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: wants to be somebody who's kind of more of an

1194
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: activist or wants to kind of dismantle that that system

1195
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: a little bit. But he's not really doing it currently.

1196
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: He's just kind of sitting in his house being misanthropic and.

1197
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 2: Drinking all the time.

1198
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that that is like an interesting,

1199
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: you know, sort of binary to see like at least

1200
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 1: omar story, because he could either be that or this right,

1201
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: because that's.

1202
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 2: The model for him.

1203
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 3: Completely, and that is something that like, you know, these

1204
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 3: these two brothers, because this is a movie about immigration

1205
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,439
Speaker 3: and brothers and family and one who is succeeded within

1206
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 3: the system and one who effectively kind of failed or

1207
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 3: gave up. Yeah, but they're both trying to live in

1208
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 3: this world that doesn't really want them there, and so

1209
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 3: I think part of Hussein's disillusion is that he doesn't

1210
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 3: he wants his son to be like him. He wants

1211
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 3: his son to go back to college and kind of

1212
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 3: live the life of an intellectual. And there's this one

1213
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 3: point where he's talking to Johnny and he's like, I

1214
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 3: don't want my son to be an underwear washer. So

1215
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 3: he kind of feels that tension of like, we didn't

1216
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 3: move here for him to be this. I wanted my

1217
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 3: son to have a different life. And he can't understand

1218
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 3: that Omar is both pursuing this life because it is

1219
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 3: interesting to him and that there is value there to

1220
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 3: be had. You know, he kind of sees it as

1221
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 3: still a lower, lower level way of living, and part

1222
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 3: of his like, you know, his feeling of you know,

1223
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 3: fuck it and giving up, like there's there's a Tony

1224
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 3: All cutting scene in this movie that will ruin your life,

1225
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 3: but it also just showcases how much he's given up.

1226
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 3: It is like life ruining Toyell cutting scene. Yes, And

1227
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 3: so you've got this one dynamic of this guy being like,

1228
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 3: I just don't fucking care. But then Nasa is like,

1229
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 3: there's always money and muck and basically like, you know,

1230
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 3: we should try to exist here, even though this place

1231
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 3: fucking blows, Like we should try to get from it

1232
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 3: what we came here to take out of it. So

1233
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 3: I like that Omar is he's not afraid to lean

1234
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 3: into the dynamic, but he's clearly disobeying his father's wishes

1235
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 3: or he's clearly not the son that his father wanted

1236
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 3: him to have. On top of the fact that both

1237
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 3: Hussein and Nasser are constantly trying to get him married off,

1238
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 3: so to speak, and the way that they've decided to

1239
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 3: do it is by hooking him up with his first cousin, Tanya,

1240
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 3: And I kind of wish they showed more of her

1241
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 3: story because as much as Omar felt like the racism

1242
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 3: and the immigration issues and the class issues Tanya felt

1243
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 3: all of that while also being a woman, and so

1244
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 3: it's kind of presented as if like, well, she's her

1245
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 3: father is wealthy, so she's fine, but her father's wealth

1246
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 3: did not protect her, Like she still felt stifled and unheard,

1247
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 3: and her father's money didn't raise the family's estimation in

1248
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 3: the eyes of white people. So she still kind of

1249
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 3: reached this place where she felt like her sexuality was

1250
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 3: a way to transcend the struggle, by which I mean

1251
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 3: like using her sexuality to kind of transcend the struggle.

1252
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: Right.

1253
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 3: But then there's a moment at the end of the

1254
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 3: film that something different with her happens, and you're kind

1255
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 3: of like, huh, I get why she got there, but

1256
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 3: I just wish I knew a little bit more about

1257
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 3: her story.

1258
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: God me too, I because she's a real dynamic character

1259
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: in this film, And yeah, I wish that that.

1260
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 2: Had gotten fleshed out more.

1261
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:35,679
Speaker 1: And I know that there's so I mean, this movie

1262
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: is so texture, there's a lot of things happening, but

1263
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to say, like Tanya's story like.

1264
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 2: A little bit, I want like, is she feminist?

1265
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: Is she you know what is like she's trying to

1266
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 1: obviously get away from her father, and you know, she's

1267
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 1: got a lot of complications with her father because of

1268
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: you know, sort of his ways and the way that

1269
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: he lives his life.

1270
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 3: And her mother because her mother, Bill Kuei, is out

1271
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 3: here like making potions with mice and burning her husband mistress.

1272
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 1: Like yes, And that to me is also another commentary

1273
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: on this sort of like the capitalist goals maybe of

1274
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: like immigrants, where they're like, you know, look at my

1275
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: old world wife, who is out here making potions and I,

1276
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 1: you know, instead, I'm gonna go out with my mistress,

1277
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: who's this you know, white lady who's real fabulous, and

1278
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: she's wearing furs and we're going out on the town.

1279
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: So it's that thing of like there's just a lot

1280
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 1: going on, uh, without those storylines that are just very

1281
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: fascinating to me.

1282
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 3: I agree, And it's in when when Omar starts working

1283
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 3: at the parking garage, I think his eyes are opened

1284
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 3: up to all of those different layers of the world

1285
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 3: that he maybe was not privy to before. So he

1286
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 3: does discover that that Nosra is having this affair with Rachel,

1287
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 3: and that you know, his family's trying to set him

1288
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 3: up with his first cousin, but he and Johnny are

1289
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 3: kind of re are rekindling their relationship, and there's this

1290
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 3: really what I think if there was a pivotal scene

1291
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 3: in this movie that is commented on the most, it's

1292
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 3: when Omar gives page Johnny for the first time and

1293
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 3: Johnny kind of gets close to him and then licks

1294
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 3: his neck yep. And I read somewhere that I believe

1295
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 3: it was Stephen Freer as who told Daniel d Lewis

1296
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 3: to improvise that part because he wanted to see what

1297
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 3: what the actor playing Omar would do. He wanted to

1298
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 3: see what Gordon Warnecki would do. So it's a really

1299
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 3: sweet scene and again gave us Daniel da Lewis. Possibly

1300
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 3: that was the origin of him being a method actor

1301
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 3: who knows.

1302
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: He is.

1303
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 2: For a fascist. He is damn cute.

1304
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately for a British eighties.

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Speaker 2: Lonsdale.

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Speaker 1: Hoo, are you wearing like you know, kinda fascist guy?

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01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: Fascist straight punk? He's damn cute.

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Speaker 2: And I gotta say, like.

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Speaker 1: That part that you're talking about, which has talked about

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Speaker 1: obviously a lot, it's so it's such a little breath

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Speaker 1: of fresh air. It's really cheeky and part of it

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Speaker 1: is that his fascist buddies are standing right there and

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Speaker 1: he's being a little provocative in that moment where he's

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Speaker 1: basically like giving a little wink to Omar and being like, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm about to go out with my friends, but here's here's.

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Speaker 2: A little lick before I leave. And it's just like that.

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Speaker 1: It's a very very I mean, I get flustered when

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Speaker 1: I see that.

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Speaker 3: Well, because there's this is and this is something that's important,

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Speaker 3: because it's something that I love about this movie is

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Speaker 3: that it doesn't make sexuality a problem. Like the problems

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Speaker 3: that Omar and Johnny have are have nothing to do

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Speaker 3: with the fact that they're gay. It's more about that

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01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 3: they live in this like divided, racist nation that keeps

1325
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 3: pulling people apart more than it unites them. Yep. So

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Speaker 3: I love that their relationship is something they take solace

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01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 3: in and it does breathe fresh air into the film.

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Speaker 3: And every time they're together, you see this real, like

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Speaker 3: just magnetic love between them, and there's like there's a

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Speaker 3: really cool scene for example, when they redo the launderette,

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Speaker 3: which actually comes out looking pretty fucking tight, and they're

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Speaker 3: in the office and in the new office. They have

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01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 3: a two way mirror. So there's this one scene where

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Speaker 3: Omar and Johnny are fucking in the office and Nasir

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Speaker 3: and Rachel are like dancing in the laundry. So it's

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Speaker 3: kind of this like two way forbidden love sort of scene. Yes,

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01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 3: and it's just beautiful. It's just beautiful, and so I

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Speaker 3: do like, I love that they take Solacen in that love.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that is exactly the way that I read

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01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: it too, Like just the whole idea that all of

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01:12:56,160 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: the forces around them, the racism, the capitalism, that weird

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01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, sort of social conditions of eighties Britain is

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01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: hard for them and it makes it makes this whole

1344
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: like the fact that they're business partners and all that

1345
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 1: stuff and friends really complicated.

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Speaker 2: But the fact that they're just sort.

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01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 1: Of their relationship is pure and is like a shelter

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01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 1: from all that is lovely to me. So it's beautiful.

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Speaker 3: And again, this is nineteen eighty five. It's nineteen eighty five,

1350
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 3: Like who expected, yes, that moment to be represented in

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01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 3: films so eloquently, especially because the other thing I noticed

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01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 3: watching it this time, which I think I've probably noticed

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01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 3: the other few times I've seen it, but there was

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01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,719
Speaker 3: something that just really stood out to me this time,

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01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:50,719
Speaker 3: which is that there is a white menace to this movie.

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01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 3: So there are always these fascist white thugs lurking in

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01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,440
Speaker 3: the background, which makes every part of this movie so unsettling.

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01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:04,759
Speaker 3: And they hate that Johnny has kind of defected quote

1359
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 3: unquote yeah, but they also hate anyone who's not white,

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01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 3: and it's just it's just a real menace that you know,

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01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 3: they're kind of provocative, they really provoke people without being

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01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 3: outwardly physically harmful, and so it's a weird. It's weird

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Speaker 3: for me because again, I can't believe that something that

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01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 3: came out in nineteen eighty five store resonates so deeply

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01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,679
Speaker 3: with what we're living in now, like the fact that

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01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 3: you know, it is an act of terror to make

1367
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 3: people feel like they can't go to the grocery store.

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01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 3: You know, the terrorism is not that I can't own

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01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 3: a gun, It's that I don't feel safe shopping. That's

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01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 3: real terror. And so in this film to have them

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01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:49,600
Speaker 3: showcase that and the subtleties of that, which is like,

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01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 3: even as they're building this launderette and at one point,

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01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 3: you know, one of Johnny's former friends kind of throws

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01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 3: a garbage can through the window and breaks the window,

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01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 3: and they just kind of care like, yeah, we expected

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01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 3: that to happen, but the menace never leaves. Yeah, it

1377
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,599
Speaker 3: never leaves. And so don't want to ruin the end

1378
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 3: of the film too much. But again, like I think

1379
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 3: that this whole movie, to me, it's important that it

1380
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 3: was so indicative of a specific time. But what I

1381
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 3: like to see more of is these films where being

1382
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 3: gay is something to celebrate, something to take solace in,

1383
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 3: and something that feels like real life. Like it didn't

1384
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 3: feel like they were struggling to understand their feelings for

1385
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,560
Speaker 3: each other. They were just like, this is our relationship.

1386
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 3: This is how it's always been with us. We've always

1387
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 3: connected and it's just really beautiful to see. And Daniel

1388
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 3: da Lewis is incredible in this movie. Again, Gordon Warnecki

1389
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 3: is incredible in this film. So many great actors, and

1390
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 3: it's also worth saying that the you know, the person

1391
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 3: who wrote this film, Hanei Karaishi. He was born in

1392
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:04,759
Speaker 3: South London and he's identifies as bisexual, and he started

1393
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 3: his career in the seventies as a porn right, he

1394
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 3: wrote porn Like under certain pseudonyms. But he had a

1395
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 3: novel that came out in nineteen ninety eight called Intimacy,

1396
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 3: and it's this kind of story of a man leaving

1397
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 3: his wife and his sons, and you know, he's kind

1398
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 3: of been rejected by his wife and this is all,

1399
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 3: by the way, coming from Wikipedia, and his family was

1400
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 3: really fucking pissed at him, Like it was kind of

1401
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 3: a controversial moment for him to have. He that he's

1402
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 3: continued to write such personal stories on a public stage.

1403
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 3: He's had some moments where his family's been really upset

1404
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 3: with how he represents his life. But he's you know,

1405
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 3: he's really well, just well revered and necessarily well revered.

1406
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,560
Speaker 3: He's gone on to teach at like, you know, Kingston University,

1407
01:16:55,800 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 3: and he's just really an interesting and cool filmmaker. And

1408
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 3: I think that I just, you know, it just made

1409
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 3: me kind of He's won tons of awards, and I

1410
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 3: don't know, I just think that the fact that he

1411
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 3: is able to be so autobiographical but also presenting us

1412
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 3: with stories that just feel very real in the kind

1413
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 3: of cinematic sense, it's just it's just really important. I

1414
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 3: think that he's someone that I don't want to be forgotten.

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01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: I love that again bringing people to front and center

1416
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 1: that maybe people don't know much about. I mean, you know,

1417
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 1: obviously Daniel da Lewis, he's very famous, Steven Frears is

1418
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 1: a very famous Hollywood director at this point. But I

1419
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: love that you were able to, you know, talk about

1420
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: the writer of the film because it's honestly just such

1421
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 1: a beautiful film and I feel like it's so textured.

1422
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: There's so many like deep issues that are being processed

1423
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:57,600
Speaker 1: in this film, but that You're right, there's a sensualness

1424
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 1: of their relationship, of Omar and Johnny's relationship that I

1425
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: feel like is very pure and wonderful in spite of

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01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: like all this other bullshit that's happening in their lives,

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01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, And it's hard because I feel like, with

1428
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 1: especially in this time, I mean, you have a mixed

1429
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 1: race couple who you know has obviously had that you know,

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01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 1: there's a part of the film where Omar talks about how,

1431
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 1: you know, Johnny and his friends used to like bully him,

1432
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 1: you know, when he was a kid, and you know,

1433
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: obviously there's been kind of an evolution of that relationship

1434
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 1: but it is that thing where you're like, it's just

1435
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 1: incredibly hard for you know, people who are immigrants and

1436
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 1: people who are not white to exist in this you

1437
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: know culture, this capitalist modern society where you know, basically

1438
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 1: they feel that having money is power over people. And

1439
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 1: just watching a character like Omar try to navigate that

1440
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 1: but still wanting this relationship, but still wanting to be

1441
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 1: with Johnny at the same time, I just think it's

1442
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 1: really interesting and textured, and every time I watch this

1443
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 1: movie I like it more.

1444
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:20,640
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I just am like, Wow, it's like.

1445
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: Every time I find something new to like marinate.

1446
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 3: On, you know, I know, like for this time, for me,

1447
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 3: it was Tanya a little bit. But also what you

1448
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 3: were just saying, which is that I think it's really

1449
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 3: remarkable to have a film that focuses on and does

1450
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 3: not shy away from the fact that Omar has said, like,

1451
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 3: you know, I've been navigating these waters for a long

1452
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 3: fucking time where I have to both exist next to,

1453
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 3: you know, these people who hate me and actively tell

1454
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 3: and tease me and actively try to bully me, but

1455
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 3: I also love one of them, and I also am

1456
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 3: just a person trying to like be a guy like

1457
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to like find love and be myself

1458
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 3: and be successful, or you know, he's he's really exploring

1459
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 3: it without shying away from the other, which I think

1460
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 3: is also very important and can only come from a

1461
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 3: filmmaker who's or a writer at least who's who's experienced

1462
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 3: that a little bit. And it's and it's beautiful, Like

1463
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 3: it's beautiful to see. Also this side of a gay

1464
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:28,480
Speaker 3: relationship that comes from the perspective of the brown persones

1465
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 3: to be so crude, but yeah, and I'm like, it's

1466
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,680
Speaker 3: really nice to see this come from the perspective of

1467
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 3: someone who's not white, because I think a lot of

1468
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of gay films and TV shows

1469
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 3: are often or at least used to be from the

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01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:50,639
Speaker 3: perspective of only white people. Yes, wonderful, ahead of its time,

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01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 3: ahead of its time.

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Speaker 1: Agreed, Agreed.

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01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:55,679
Speaker 2: I love the films this week.

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01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: Have seen both multiple times and I I like them

1475
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 1: more each time. And happy pride everybody. Hopefully you've either

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01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:09,959
Speaker 1: seen these films or maybe now you have a curiosity

1477
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 1: to see these films. We hope you watch them because

1478
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 1: they're awesome.

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01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 3: What a great weekend to watch them if you haven't.

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01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 1: Yes, well, Danielle, let's talk about our next episode.

1481
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 2: Do you want to tell them about the films?

1482
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 3: I feel like we're going to have to come up

1483
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 3: with a different way to talk about guessing the theme

1484
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 3: now that our episodes come out a week early on.

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Speaker 3: If you're a Wondering Plus subscriber, yeah, so, if you

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Speaker 3: are a Wondering Plus subscriber, you can already listen to

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01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 3: this episode. But if you're not, our movies for next

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01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:48,759
Speaker 3: week when it's released wide is Mister Mom from nineteen

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01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 3: eighty three and Three Men and a Baby from nineteen

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Speaker 3: eighty seven. And let me tell you, this theme is

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01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 3: not what you think it is.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Wow, these two together, it's gonna it's gonna be

1493
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Speaker 1: a thing.

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Speaker 1: saw what you did, pot of Gmail.

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Speaker 3: And according to one of our more recent bonus episodes,

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Speaker 3: which I believe the title is Marriable Meat of senishor

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Speaker 3: fuck Mary kill suggestions And if you don't know why

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Speaker 3: I listen to that episode.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I forgot. How did I forget?

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Speaker 1: Because honestly, it was like we really processed that. We

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01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 1: were like I was doing real brain work on that one.

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01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 3: I was learning some shit. I was learning some shit

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01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 3: I had unknown. I had a lack of knowledge about

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Speaker 3: a particular person, and it ruined my whole thought process

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01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 3: of what I thought, well, I was very secure about

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Speaker 3: but it's worth it to listen to that episode and

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Speaker 3: send us shirt your fuck Mary kills. And we have

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Speaker 3: we have a po box, so if you want to

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Speaker 3: send us handwritten letters, you can find our po box

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Speaker 3: on our link tree on Instagram. If you can figure

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Speaker 3: out a way to send an edible arrangement to a

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01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 3: po box that is also from one of our bonus episodes.

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Speaker 3: But if if you know, you know, and you can

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Speaker 3: find us on our socials at I saw pod on

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Speaker 3: Instagram and Twitter, and please send us a write us

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Speaker 3: a review, give us a five star if you like us.

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Speaker 3: to leave five stars.

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Speaker 2: It's there for you. We have t shirts.

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01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 1: You can cut the slaves off and you know, go

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01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 1: work in the yard and do like a suggestive.

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Speaker 2: Jo movement with your you know, with the handle of

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Speaker 2: a shovel.

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01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 3: Eddie Sibbriyan walked so that Justin th Row could fly.

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Speaker 2: Out here with.

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Speaker 3: No sleeves being hot.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right.

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01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: You can alter any of our merch but you can

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01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 3: And I have to say my book was released in

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01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 3: paperback this month, and so hardcover copies that are still

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01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 3: in the in the store in the exactly right media

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01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 3: dot com store that are signed, I ain't doing that anymore.

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01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 3: So she has to get a signed copy of my

1559
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 3: book hardcover style unless you see me in public and

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01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 3: throw one at me.

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01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, throw books at Danielle when you see her.

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01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 2: That's an order only mine, only my book.

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01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 3: I will not take your fucking bill O'Reilly books coming

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01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 3: at me. That is a sault. If you throw my

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01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 3: own books at me, that's flattery.

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Speaker 1: Well, on that note, Danielle, thank you so much for

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01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 1: being such a good friend. Thank you for hearing me out.

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01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 1: It was wonderful to cry with you, to laugh with you.

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01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 1: I love doing this.

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Speaker 2: Podcast with you.

1571
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:26,639
Speaker 3: I feel the exact same way. I just really love you.

1572
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 3: And this was again, this episode is so indicative to

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01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 3: me and so exemplary of what our friendship is, which is,

1574
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes we're crying, usually we're laughing, and most

1575
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 3: of the time we're talking about movies.

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01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 1: Say see you next time.

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Speaker 3: This has been an exactly right production, produced and mixed

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Speaker 3: by Casey O'Brien. Our theme song is by Tom bry Fogel,

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01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 3: artwork by Garrett Ross. Our executive producers are Georgia Hartstart

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01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 3: caringkil Garret and Daniel Kramer. You can follow us on

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Speaker 3: Instagram and Twitter at I Saw pod, and you can

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Speaker 3: email us at I Saw What You Did Pod at

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Speaker 3: gmail