1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to River Cafe Table four, a production of iHeartRadio 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 1: and Adami Studios. 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 2: When Maggie john Noll enters a river cafe, I stop 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: whatever I'm doing, even if mid service a rare admission 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 2: from a chef. But then Maggie is a rare person 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: for whom the world should stop. She's a brilliant actor, 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 2: a strong director, and a beautiful writer. She is a 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,639 Speaker 2: truly passionate woman, and I am truly passionate about her. 9 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 3: That's so beautiful, That's true. 10 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: A little love letter from Ruthie Rogers. We are going 11 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: to read the recipe that you chose for a taggy 12 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: telly with figs. 13 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 4: Three hundred and fifty grams egg tagliatel eight black figs 14 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 4: cut into eighths, two dried chilis, crumbled, two lemons, parmesan 15 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 4: grated extra virgin olive oil one hundred millilters double cream. 16 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 4: Grate the lemon peel of both lemons and squeeze the 17 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 4: juice of one. Heat a frying pan large enough for 18 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 4: the figs in one layer. Add olive oil, and when hot, 19 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 4: place the figs in the pan, turning them immediately to caramelize. 20 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 4: Season and add the dried chili. Stir the lemon, zest 21 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 4: and juice into the cream and mix with the figs. 22 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 4: Cook the pasta and add to the sauce. Serve with parmesan. 23 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: Thank you. It would be nice to talk about the 24 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: lost water and food accommodation of movie and food work 25 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: in food Greece and Italy and figs and pasta. So 26 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 2: how was it filming in Greece? Was it last summer before. 27 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: The Last Daughter? 28 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 4: It was this summer before last summer, so it was 29 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 4: August September October, although we only shot for a month 30 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 4: of that time of twenty twenty. 31 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, so two summers ago. 32 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: And were there fixed? 33 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there were figs your name later. It's very provocative. 34 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 3: You're thinking about the Yates. 35 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: I bet you know it by heart in Italia touto 36 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: di corpo. 37 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: There's a few interesting food things in The Last Daughter. 38 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: The rotten fruit in the very beginning. Yeah, picked up 39 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: the boat. 40 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think like hunger as an idea, especially 41 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 4: for women. 42 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: I think. 43 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 4: Often we're told that our appetites are too big, you know, 44 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 4: for what it is we want, what it is we need, 45 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 4: even the amount of rage, the amount of confusion, the 46 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 4: amount of need, the amount of love, the amount of desire, 47 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 4: Like it's too much. 48 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: What were your daughters like when they were little? Were 49 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: they like this willful little creature. I don't mistake my 50 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 3: command them much. Actually, I don't know. You can't forget 51 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 3: anything about your own children. I was thinking about food 52 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 3: in some ways, in terms. 53 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 4: Of desire and hunger versus deprivation. So like even that 54 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 4: scene with Callie, the pregnant sister in law when she 55 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 4: offers her the cake and she who eats cake? And 56 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 4: who doesn't? From one woman's hands to another, and Olivia 57 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 4: takes a bite, and at least the way she plays 58 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 4: and that take, I feel like it actually was delicious 59 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 4: and you know, really something she was sort of trying 60 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 4: not to eat but wanted to eat. And what we 61 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 4: really remember food wise in my family. And Olivia Coleman too, 62 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 4: I mean she was a part of this. Was like 63 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 4: this kind of obsession we had with spinach pie, you 64 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 4: know the Greek spinach pre that's a cheese. 65 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 2: Yeah. 66 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 3: I found that. 67 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 4: I needed fat, like I needed like my brain needed 68 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 4: fat and I could eat four. 69 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 3: No, four was too many. That's what we decided. 70 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 4: Three spinach pies throughout the day was the right number 71 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 4: and four was too many. 72 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: It was that different from other films you've worked on. 73 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: Do you think being director, you needed a different kind 74 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 2: of way of eating. 75 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I did. 76 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 4: I needed a different It's a totally different kind of 77 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 4: I was constantly moving and thinking. For example, it's so 78 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 4: different than editing. When I was editing, I was editing 79 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 4: in the middle of the pandemic in New York in 80 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 4: the winter, just me and my editor. We needed like nourishing. 81 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 4: I bought him lunch every day and we had like 82 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 4: steak sandwiches and pasta, and I don't know, I needed 83 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 4: something more streamlined when I was shooting, like just straight 84 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 4: like black coffee and spinach pies, spinach push. I was 85 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 4: thinking about the last time I saw you actually when 86 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 4: what that was. I don't even know if you knew 87 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 4: really what that dinner was. But I invited the people 88 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 4: who not the people who had literally paid for the movie, 89 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 4: but the people who had organized all of that, the 90 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 4: people who had gotten it sold to European distributors, the 91 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 4: people who had you know, made the deal with Netflix, 92 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 4: the people who had connected did me with our financiers, 93 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 4: the people who were like doing the sort of. 94 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 3: Business side of it. 95 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 4: Who always take me to dinner, and they had just 96 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 4: done something like really brilliantly in what they do, and 97 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 4: I really wanted to take them to dinner, and I 98 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 4: wanted to take them to like the most beautiful, bountiful 99 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 4: dinner with the best wine and all the desserts. 100 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 3: And I in fact got to. 101 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 4: Do what I didn't even realize I wanted to do, 102 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 4: but like I ordered for everybody because I remember this, 103 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 4: I remember, yeah, but I thought it gave me so 104 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 4: much pleasure to offer to them, I mean like a 105 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 4: real thank you, you know, like in a special place. 106 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 4: And then I remember like we weren't sure. We're like, oh, 107 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 4: is this enough pasta? And I was like, no, no, 108 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 4: no it's not. Let's get another two pasta, you know, 109 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 4: like that so that nobody nobody felt I mean, you 110 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 4: don't want also to too much that you don't care anymore, but. 111 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: That everyone felt that they could eat their fill. 112 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: I remember that night that you were there, and I 113 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: remember the feeling of it that you were you know, 114 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: you you were so happy and you were so wanting to. 115 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 4: Give I kept texting you and saying, oh, could one 116 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 4: more person come. 117 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: Oh, could just one more person come? Could one more 118 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: person come? 119 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 4: And I felt good, I felt really bad because you 120 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 4: were like fitting us into the world of your restaurant. 121 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 4: Then at the same time, everyone was like, sort of 122 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 4: more people wanted to join, you know, could I you know, 123 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 4: and don't you always kind of want to say yes, right, 124 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 4: like like of course you can bring your boyfriend. Of 125 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 4: course I didn't realize to invite her, and of course 126 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 4: she should be invited, and you know, so you're just 127 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 4: kind of opening your arms more and more, and this 128 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 4: is interesting. 129 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: It was. 130 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: It really was a special night. 131 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 4: And one of the thing I just want to say 132 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 4: about it is, you know, in terms of Hunger and 133 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 4: my film, and you know, even like we were talking 134 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 4: about deprivation versus being satisfied, I think I felt something 135 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 4: interesting about that night too, because of course we were 136 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 4: there to do press for The Lost Daughter. We all 137 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 4: had to wake up at like six o'clock in the 138 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 4: morning the next day and go do press all day 139 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 4: and then go to the opening night. And we had 140 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 4: all eaten all this food, drank tons of wine and 141 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 4: champagne and chocolate cake. And I was thinking the next 142 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 4: day about like consequences what's worth it and what isn't 143 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 4: you know? And I was like, this feeling I have 144 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 4: today is totally worth it. I'm not blindly having this 145 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 4: dinner and drinking wine and you know, eating all this 146 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 4: delicious food. I understand that I will sacrifice something the 147 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 4: next day. If I'd gone to sleep at nine and 148 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 4: had green juice or something, I would feel different. But 149 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 4: what it gives me in exchange, I felt was was 150 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 4: worth it. 151 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 2: I remember exactly where you were sitting. You were outside 152 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: and you were and I came in to see you. 153 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: I always say again, like you, I try and say 154 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: yes as much as well. I just I think I 155 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: say it to my grandchildren. I say it to I 156 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: say it to the way it's just saying, you know, 157 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: it makes life actually much nicer and much happier. So 158 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: going back, what was it like growing up in your 159 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: household in the chillinal household? And food? Did your mother cook? 160 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? 161 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 4: Both of my parents cooked and cooked pretty well. I 162 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 4: think you know that my brother is a you know, like. 163 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 3: A really like a like a gifted cook. You know. 164 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 4: I don't think my parents are gifted cooks, but they 165 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 4: know what they're doing and they care about food. And 166 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 4: they enjoy food, and I think that's definitely something that 167 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 4: can be handed down. Like my mom always jokes that 168 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 4: I remember things that were happening in places that I 169 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 4: went by what I was wearing, and she remembers by 170 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 4: what she was eating. But I also remember by what 171 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 4: I was eating, and I plan my days around. 172 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 3: Around food, you know, all the time. 173 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 4: I think, like growing up, you know, my dad would 174 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 4: make us a really nice breakfast in the morning, and 175 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 4: we still do that for our kids, Like they always 176 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 4: have breakfast and something nice, and I like to. You know, 177 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 4: the thing is like even just cutting up an orange 178 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 4: nicely and putting it on a cutting board and putting 179 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 4: it in the middle of the table at breakfast along 180 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 4: with whatever else you're making, all of a sudden makes 181 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 4: it a nice meal, or you know, putting having a 182 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 4: nice sort of butter bell and having some nice gams 183 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 4: around it. You know, even if you're doing the simplest thing, 184 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 4: I do that, Like, actually, I mean, I mess up 185 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 4: all sorts of things, but I do really take care 186 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 4: of food. 187 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 3: You know. 188 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: When I've traveled to other countries, as I'm sure you have, 189 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: I always think that the way a person cuts a 190 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: piece of bread. The way they slice of bread tells 191 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 2: you something about the culture. And Richard and I went 192 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 2: to Syria, and you know, it's done by the museums, 193 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: and I was moved by the architecture. And then you 194 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 2: would go into a small little place and you'd see 195 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 2: the way, as you say, they would cut a piece 196 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: of bread, or they would put a piece of cheese, 197 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: or they would serve it in a bowl, and it 198 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 2: meant something. You know, if you do that for your 199 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 2: children and. 200 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 4: Those little things that you know, would just make a difference. 201 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 4: I believe in that, and I so in my house, 202 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 4: we always had breakfast. 203 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: What do you have, Maggie? What do you have for 204 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,599 Speaker 2: breaks in our house? Now? I have a breakfast? Was 205 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: Gloria there? She could tell us. 206 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 3: Gloria's right here, Yeah, she can hear you. You want 207 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 3: to tell her a little bit about breakfast at our house? 208 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 3: What do we have? Okay, Gloria is gonna Gloria, who 209 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 3: is my. 210 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 4: Daughter who's nine, who's home from school with a cold today, 211 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 4: is gonna keep me honest? 212 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 3: What do we have for breakfast? You're come over close 213 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: to the microphone. 214 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 5: Like we have like eggs and we have toast and 215 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 5: oranges m hm. And sometimes my mom puts out a 216 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 5: little bit of juice like Dorsley apple. 217 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 4: Juice, and do we have We also usually have tea, 218 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 4: and sometimes we have cool things like sometimes. 219 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 3: We have like egg and a hole. 220 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: What's up right? 221 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 3: What's egg and a hole? 222 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 5: It's like it's a piece of bread with the inside 223 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 5: cut out and instead there's a bit of the middle 224 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 5: of the eggs inside of it, and the outside there's 225 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 5: also an egg. So it's kind of. 226 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 3: Just like an egg. 227 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 228 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 4: You take something that makes like a perfect circle, like 229 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 4: a little cup, and you push out a perfect circle, 230 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 4: and then we toast that little circle in the pan 231 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 4: too with some butter, and you crack the egg in 232 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 4: the circle so that it stays in the circle, and. 233 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 2: You have like a little egg and a hole coming 234 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: for breakfast? This household? Did you grow up with a 235 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 2: household where where you had breakfast every day, where you 236 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: sat around the table with your parents and had breakfast? 237 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: Is something that you were brought up with that you 238 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 2: want to give to your children because your parents give 239 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: it to you. 240 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 4: Well, my mom, like me, likes to sleep late, so 241 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 4: she would like stay in bed and my dad would 242 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 4: make her a coffee, which just seems like such a 243 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 4: luxury to me. It's so nice. And then my dad 244 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 4: really made breakfast for us. My mom, I would say, more, 245 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 4: made dinner. My dad too, both of them cooked. 246 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: Did you have dinner? 247 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, always almost all. 248 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 2: And you did. Jake said that you did when your 249 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: parents entertained. He described sitting on the stairs and listening 250 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 2: from above. And so when you left home, did you 251 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 2: cook for yourself? 252 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 4: I was not taught, not really taught how to cook. 253 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 4: I mean, it's funny. I remember going to a dinner 254 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 4: party at somebody's house when I was in my early twenties, 255 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 4: and this woman was making a tomato sauce like Apasta sauce, 256 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 4: and she put raw onions in at the end, and. 257 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 3: I was like shocked. You know, I knew, I knew. 258 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 4: I mean I always knew, like enough to know not 259 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 4: to do that, and I could always cook a little. 260 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 3: But I I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I. 261 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 4: Always sort of basically had the basics just from growing 262 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 4: up around people who cooked. When I first left home 263 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 4: and I went to college, I you know, ate Chinese 264 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 4: food at four o'clock in the morning and bagels with 265 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 4: butter and just whatever I wanted, which I think is 266 00:14:54,720 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 4: not uncommon probably, And then when did I start to cook, 267 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 4: I don't know, kind of snuck up on me. It 268 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 4: definitely had to do with mothering. I think that I 269 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 4: really wanted to feed my kids well. I always want 270 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 4: to feed my kids well. And I don't mean like 271 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 4: super super healthy. I don't actually think about it like that. 272 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 4: I just want them to feel nourished and satisfied and 273 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 4: excited about food. 274 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: So it is food always when you're working. Does it 275 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 2: depend on what you're working on? 276 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 3: Well? 277 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 4: I remember actually when I did Three Sisters with Peter 278 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 4: with my husband, I would drink lots of coffee. I 279 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 4: remember a friend of mine who was in the play 280 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 4: with us, was like, I can't believe how much coffee 281 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 4: you drink, you know, Like I would have one that 282 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 4: was like a latte, one that was just a regular 283 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 4: drip coffee, and one that was an espresso, and I'd 284 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 4: kind of sip from different ones at different times in 285 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 4: the performance. And I found also I was in a corset, 286 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:13,359 Speaker 4: so you can't eat. 287 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 3: A lot, like you'll burp. It's weird, but I and 288 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 3: also you. 289 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 4: Need that kind of streamline feeling, but you know, what 290 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 4: I found worked really well and would sustain me for 291 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 4: long enough through a whole long check off play was 292 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 4: sober noodles their buckwheat and there's a kind of I 293 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 4: would go to this place, this really good place in 294 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 4: the East Village and get sober noodles with shrimp tempura 295 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 4: and the seaweed salad, and it was just exactly perfect. 296 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 4: If I had that early enough, that would sustain me 297 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 4: through the play. Again, it was nourishing, it had some protein, 298 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 4: it also had carbs and something that filled me. And 299 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 4: then I'm of course on stage, I'm always hungry afterward. 300 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, afterwards going out to eat afterwards. When you decide 301 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 2: to do a film, or when you decide to do play, 302 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: or when you are wanting to work with another actor, 303 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 2: actress or director, does going to a restaurant with them 304 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 2: reveal something about them? Do you thinks? 305 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 5: Oh? 306 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think of it as consciously as that. 307 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 4: I'm not trying to pull something out of them. It's 308 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 4: more I feel comfortable in that space, let me order 309 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 4: beautiful things for us, and you know, yeah, I really 310 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 4: like to share a meal with anybody who I'm who 311 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 4: I'm interacting with. But certainly with work, yes, and I 312 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 4: only want to go really good places. Thinking about this 313 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 4: just occurs to me because I had like a couple 314 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 4: of really good meals with David Simon when I was 315 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 4: working on The Deuce at Via Kurota. 316 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 3: But when we were scouting. 317 00:17:52,680 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 4: Basically I shadowed a director on the Deuce, meaning I, 318 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 4: you know, when I wasn't acting, there was one director 319 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 4: who I just spent all the time with. I we 320 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 4: did location scouting and costume fittings and you know, I 321 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 4: sat with her at her at her chair, and I 322 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 4: hated location scouting when it wasn't my film. When it 323 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 4: was my film, I mean, I could have done it 324 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 4: all day, but I was super bored on the Deuce. 325 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, when is this day 326 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 4: gonna be over? And like that high school looks fine, 327 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 4: you know. But we were in I don't know where 328 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 4: we were, like Long Island or something, and we ended 329 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 4: up stopping at this pretty great Italian like like Italian 330 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 4: American like Long Island like type of place like Red 331 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 4: Sauce like you know, and it was really. 332 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 3: Pretty great and it just totally lifted me. 333 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 4: We're scouting in little Italy in this cafe that was 334 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 4: known for its like almond cookies, almond cookies that are 335 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 4: kind of chewy in the middle. 336 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: Like amaretta. 337 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, pine nut, pine nut them, they're like pin 338 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 4: yeah yeah, and and and they were so good and 339 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 4: they just gave us an espresso and like a box 340 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:10,479 Speaker 4: of these cookies. 341 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 3: And again I was like okay, I like scouting again. 342 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 2: Good matters. And it's also a celebration. Were you married 343 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 2: in Italy? Did you tell me once that you were 344 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:19,719 Speaker 2: married in Italy? 345 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, in Pulia. 346 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 4: And the food was incredible and it's the same kind 347 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 4: of food we're talking about, like not fussy, not a 348 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 4: big deal, warm, plentiful. 349 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: Pullia is an incredible region of Italy. It's it is 350 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 2: totally unique in that barren landscape with the time of year. 351 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 4: Was it It was May second, so it was in fact, 352 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 4: we went back in August one year and we were like. 353 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 3: This is a completely different place. Hot and like totally packed. 354 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 4: But in May it was poppies everywhere and olive trees 355 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 4: and really quiet. 356 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 3: It was great. 357 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 2: The one cush and I ask everyone is if food 358 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: is love, Food is alleviating hunger, food is giving support. 359 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 2: It is also a comfort is there a comfort food 360 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 2: that you would go for? 361 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean for me, it's pasta. Yeah, it's not 362 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 4: any pasta. It's not acidic pasta, Like it's not tomato pasta. 363 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 4: Jake loves that, right, you know, he's always making it. 364 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:27,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. 365 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, it's like a simple, basic. 366 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 3: Pasta. Yeah. 367 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 4: I can have variation, of course, but we have one 368 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 4: that we make with like a little bit of anchovy 369 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 4: that you can barely taste and you know, in my 370 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 4: house and the cooking water and parmesan and you know. 371 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 3: Just really really simple. Yeah. 372 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 2: I love pasta. I think it's a good go too 373 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: for comfort. It is. It is very comforting, and talking 374 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: to you is comforting and seeing you and celebrating your 375 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 2: movie and try and come for the Baftis. 376 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to try and come, and if not, 377 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 4: I'm going to get to London and see all my 378 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 4: friends and you and eat at your restaurant. 379 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 3: I'm dying to come back. I really am really miss it. 380 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,239 Speaker 2: Just get on that plane and come bye bye man, 381 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 2: nice Hi, I love you. 382 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 3: Thank you. 383 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 2: To visit the online shop of the River Cafe, go 384 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: to shop Therivercafe dot co dot uk. 385 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: River Cafe Table four is a production of iHeartRadio and 386 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: Adamized Studios. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 387 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.