WEBVTT - Legally Speaking with Larcus 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:12.440 And we're back with another episode of Separation and Anxiety. 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:16.360 I'm your host Marcus Jordan and I'm Larsa Pippen, and today. 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:18.759 We have a very special episode of Separation Anxiety because 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:20.119 we have our very first. 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:21.840 Guests we do. It's one of my favorite people on 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:23.880 the whole planet. It's someone that I turned to when 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:26.599 I have questions, concerns, problems. You're kind of like you 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:28.080 my fixer, Jason. 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:30.080 Yeah, that's what I do exactly. 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:34.040 So welcome Attorney Jason Gillor. Thank you for joining the podcast. First, 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:36.199 tell our listeners what kind of law you're specialize in. 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:39.400 So I have a general practice. We pretty much do everything. 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:43.080 It's always about solving problems and guiding clients through different 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:46.040 legal issues, business issues, and generally helping them. 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:47.000 Awesome, Larca tell. 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:50.479 Us how so, you guys, it's kind of a crazy story. 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.159 I met Jason because we were literally friends for a 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:57.640 long time through a mutual friend Michelle, and then I 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:00.000 had a minor problem, so I moved into this house 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.560 when I was newly separated. It was like I woke 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:04.240 up one day and I was like, I can't live 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.240 in the same house anymore with my ex I like 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:10.880 rented this house really quickly, and I realized that there 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.360 were cameras inside the house that were recording me. Okay, 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:16.440 so I called Jason. I'm like, oh my god, Jason, 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.959 the house that I rented has cameras and they are 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.800 recording in the house while I'm in the house. Because 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.399 the landlord would text me and say, hey, did you 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.240 forget to set the alarm? Oh my gosh, and stuff 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:30.280 like that. It was like really creepy stuff. Do you 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.200 remember when I called you? Yeah, of course, And I 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:34.600 was just like traumatized. I was like, how do I 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:36.200 get out of the situation? What do we do? And 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:37.440 then what did you end up helping me do? 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:39.440 No, there was a whole litney of things, like he 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.200 would call and complain that Larcia left the air conditioning 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:44.920 at the wrong temperature. He would say, well, if you're 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:46.959 going to leave the house, you should put the AC down, 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:48.560 And you didn't put the AC down. We're like, wait 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.920 a minute, how does this guy know what she's doing. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.480 It was like a creeper, and it became pretty apparent 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:55.800 that he was actually it seemed like he was watching 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:59.559 the through the cameras. The house was rented how. 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:02.120 Long was he before you got you noticed, LARSA. 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:04.440 I think I was in the house like three weeks, right. 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:05.840 Yeah it was, it was, yeah, it was. It was 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:06.680 early on in the least. 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:08.720 Yeah, it was probably two three weeks in. But the 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:11.040 guy was really creepy because when I first met him, 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.600 he literally was like, whatever you need, I will be 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:15.440 here whatever you need. And I kind of felt like 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.480 he was kind of flirting with me a little bit, 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:19.679 and I was like, Oh, it's so great, so I 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:21.919 can move in whenever I want. I thought I thought 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:23.160 it was a good thing. I was like, oh, he 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.640 loves me, right, And then before I knew it, like 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.280 I started realizing that, like he's texting me, he knows 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:29.600 when I'm home and when I'm not. 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:31.840 So what was the strategy, Jason? How did you? 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:34.400 I mean, it's it's pretty much the same strategy for 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.600 every case, Like you have to know who you're playing with, right, 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.200 So he did some investigative work on the house on 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:42.120 the guy, and then based off of our research, it 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.520 seemed like a good portion of the house was actually 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:45.720 built without permits. 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:48.639 Oh no, oh my gosh, I remember that. That's great. 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:50.640 Yeah, it was so again, it was kind of like 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.480 one of these scenarios where you know, we needed out 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.680 of the least the house wasn't properly permitted. If this 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:58.919 all came to light, you know, he would run the risk. 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.400 You know, maybe the house gets condemned, right, I mean 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:04.600 he could have permit issues, there could be leans, et cetera. 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:06.640 And then eventually, you know, there's back and forth and 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:10.120 everyone kind of came to the conclusion like instead of 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:12.560 you know, going to war, everyone should just kind of, 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:16.600 you know, lick their wounds and go their own waysts in. 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:18.800 Everybody. 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.399 Everybody has them. It's a function of finding it for sure. 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:23.960 And you know, and that's kind of you know, part 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:27.079 of the lesson. When you've been around long enough and 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.800 the really good lawyers they realize, you got to you 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:31.400 gotta know who you're playing with. Right. If you know 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.200 the players, you understand the field. You know, that's how 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:35.800 you can be the most effective. And a lot of 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:40.400 cases they resolve because of pressures that can exist outside 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:42.640 of the courtroom. Right, It's not just the merits, but 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.880 also understanding that, Okay, you could be right on this case, 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.520 but if these issues come to light, that might destroy 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:54.200 your business, destroy your personality. And that's and that's why 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:54.880 cases subtle. 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.600 Wow, that's awesome. Well, without further ado is get into 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:02.840 some questions exactly. So Jason, when a couple comes in 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.240 and asks to draw up a prenup, can you tell 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:06.320 if they're going to last or not? 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:09.560 So prenups? 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:12.960 If you got married, would you have a prenup? 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.640 Uh? Well, I'm definitely not going to answer that question. 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:19.039 A smart man right there. 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:20.800 Yeah, I'm going to take the fifth on that one. 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:26.600 Prenups aren't necessarily a bad thing, right, So, for example, 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.479 like one of the advantages to prenups is that like 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.640 if if if one party has a comes from family 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.560 money for example, right, a lot of their wealth and 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.360 investments and assets that they have they're tied to other 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.680 family members, right, And so if you get married and 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.799 you don't have a prenup, those assets and those business 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:49.919 interests could become ingrained in like divorce proceedings or child 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.840 support proceedings, and no one really wants to subject their 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.120 family to that, right. It's disruptive. It can be that 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.880 it can have like created a lot of economic hardship. 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.640 So there's something advantages, right, and it also helps both ways, right, 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.159 because then everyone says, look, no matter what happens, you know, 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:09.640 perhaps the non bread winning spouse will be guaranteed a 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:11.960 certain amount of support or a certain amount of money. 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:16.520 So there are some advantages, right, Yeah, And it's a contract. 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:18.800 It's like everything else. It's a contract. If you can 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:22.120 be explicit and spell out the rights and other issues 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:25.200 in the document, at least everyone knows, Okay, if A, 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.960 if the event A happens, then this is what everyone gets, 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:30.000 event B, event C. 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:34.400 So Lars and I previously talked about an example of 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:38.320 an outrageous well, we both thought it was outrageous. I 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.520 guess agreement in a prenup and so it was a 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.040 weight clause essentially, And so one spouse said that if 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.640 the other spouse went over one hundred and thirty five pounds, 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.880 then they were entitled to five hundred thousand dollars in 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:53.240 damages per pound over one thirty five in the course 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.040 of the marriage. So, I mean, have you seen any 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:57.720 you know, cases of crazy stuff like that. 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:01.839 Personally, haven't seen anything like that. The few agreements that 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:03.799 I've I want to say the few, but the agreements 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.040 that I've been involved with generally, they're pretty boilerplate, right, 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:08.680 I mean the most I don't want to say the 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.960 most atypical because you don't see this in every prenup, 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:16.000 but the fidelity clauses, right, So if there's if someone 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:20.520 you know cheats, then typically there can be consequences for that. 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:21.679 I like that one. 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.160 What are examples of like those kinds without giving out 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:24.520 too much? 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.360 So for example, it could be that you know, one 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.960 of the spouses, they may they may be entitled to 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.400 a reduced amount of support, It could be entitled to 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:36.160 a reduced payout, things of that nature. Or it could 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.880 be conversely, right, it could be that if, for you know, 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.400 as a hypothetical, if the husband's caught cheating, then he 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:47.080 might be required to give the the non cheating spouse 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.400 in this case, the wife more money. Right, So it 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:52.440 depends on really what the parties want to do. I 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.480 mean some of these are pretty these agreements. It's like 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:57.400 everything else, right, you can you can make it pretty 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:01.240 scandalous or as aggressive as you want. The vast majority 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:05.080 people aren't going into it thinking worst case scenario, or 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:06.760 they wouldn't be doing it in the first place, right, 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.160 Just a matter of kind of protecting certain interest and 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:14.400 then creating an established paradigm in the event that the 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:15.400 marriage doesn't work out. 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:17.680 So can you tell when someone's entering a partnership for 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:18.440 the wrong reasons? 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.560 So the prenup is probably actually an indication that's a 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.160 healthy marriage, because everyone is looking at like the reality 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.520 of the world, right, I mean, what happened, what exists 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.679 today doesn't mean that that's going to exist tomorrow. Life change, 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:35.120 people change. But yeah, I mean there are obviously signs, 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.600 like you know, when things are rushed, when there's a 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:42.000 person who's like rushing something or pressuring someone else, that's 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.560 probably a sign it's not a good relationship. And that's 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.280 not just for marriage, could be business in general. And 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.800 you know, look, you can do things right or you 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.000 could do them quick. It's rare that you can do 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:54.560 you can do right and quick. 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.400 So I'm from the old school notion of if you 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.240 sign on the dotted line, there are no amendments that 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.080 could be made. And so, you know, we've all heard 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:06.080 of the iron clad prenup. Does such a thing exist? 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.440 Is any prenup iron class? 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:08.680 Yeah? 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:10.800 And I mean that exists pretty much for like any 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:15.240 type of document. The general you know, the general premise 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.480 is that that particular document's fully integrated, meaning that's the 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:23.200 whole agreement on that particular subject matter. And there's typically 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.280 provisions that say there are no amendments unless they're in 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:27.480 writing signed by the parties. 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.120 Okay, so when can you like, when can a prenup 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:30.760 be contested? 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:36.280 So prenup can be contested on procedural or substantive grounds. So, 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:40.000 for example, if you give someone a prenup the day 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:42.080 before you're about to give birth, or the day before 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.400 you're about to get married, things like that or whatever, 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:46.960 there's a presumption that you're underdress, you don't have enough 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.719 time to digest it, you don't have independent counsel, things 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.439 weren't explained to you. 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:53.280 What if you get like a twenty care ring and 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:55.360 you're just in just you know, like duress, and then 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.320 you sign off and the wedding isn't two months, do 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:58.280 you still well? 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:01.520 I mean, I mean, it depends. It depends on the 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:03.959 facts and circumstances. But the reality is. 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:05.880 That most of the time the prenup kind of stands. 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:08.840 A lot of the time, if it's done correctly, the 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.400 prenup will be enforceable. And because you know each you 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.600 know the husband and the wife will have independent counsel, 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:20.720 it'll be explained. In many instances, the prenup will be negotiated. Generally, 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:26.040 my recommendation is for people to record these things. Right. 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.719 So even now, like in our office, we're using like 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.520 a new software. We're basically really important documents. We have 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:36.600 a software that basically records people signing it. 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:36.839 Right. 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.560 You have to video recording, video recording, you have like 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:44.240 a KBA analysis, you have a ID credentialing analysis. Because 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.880 there's so much fraud and then people always come back 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.480 if if they sign something later they don't like, oh 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.200 I didn't sign that. So and so could have signed that. 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.160 That's pretty smart, right, and then this way it kind 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.520 of it deters against people taking that position. 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.199 That's actually amazing. Yeah, that's great. 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.200 Stepping out of the family court. So, what is maybe 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:04.319 the dumbest thing that you've seen people fight about in court? 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:06.720 And it doesn't necessarily need to be pertaining to divorce, 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:07.280 but like. 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:09.280 In general, like, what's the dumbest thing? Because I feel 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:12.679 like you tell me really good story. Jason has great stories, 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.559 and I love going to dinner with you where I'm like, Jason, 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.000 how is your week? And then you tell me the 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:17.320 craziest stories. 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.520 Because because the truth of the matter is, like in 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.400 today's world, you don't have to make things up, right, 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:25.040 they don't have to be scripted. Reality is is pretty entertaining. 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:28.720 So for sure, I got I mean the craziest story. 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.880 I mean, I've you know, I had a client who 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.160 invested a couple of million dollars in like a dog 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.719 food company, not knowing anything about dog food, and there 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.839 was no dog food company, and you know, I mean 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:45.920 that was nothing. He basically he bought himself a lawsuit. 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:47.320 I mean, that's that's what he did. 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.640 And that's kind of like another thing, like you really 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:51.880 have to make sure that when you're entering a business, 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.520 a marriage, any type of a serious relationship, you definitely 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.080 have to do your research and know who the person 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.160 is that you're going to be sleepy with. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.439 You know for sure. And that's that's amazing you say it, 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.079 because that's what I tell people all the time that 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:05.720 they want to do like joint ventures, they want to 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:09.679 have partners. When you're in a business relationship, it's the 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.680 same as marriage. You're getting into bed because if you 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.000 want to get out, you have to dissolve the entity. 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.000 It's the same thing as dissolving your marriage. It is 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:18.000 a business divorce, and. 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:19.960 If they get sued, you potentially can get sued also. 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:22.520 Well, of course, I mean there's a couple of cases 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:26.000 now where the lawyers that were representing very bad actors 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.120 are now being sued because they aided or at least 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.319 the allegations are that they aided these. 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:32.880 Bad actors, right, who are the actors? 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:36.040 So there was there's a pretty well known case now 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.559 called like Hammock Oaks, where there was like these board 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:43.000 of directors that were essentially they were using like fraudulent 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.320 accounting practices trying to foreclose their neighbors out buying their 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.800 units on the cheap. They had their you know, six 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:52.199 cousins on the payroll, and they owned the landscaping company. 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.240 And then basically they were using because they were on 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.200 the board, they had the ability to use association funds 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.400 to pay for lawyers and to pay for defense and 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:05.200 things like that, and you know, so it can be 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:06.319 kind of dangerous. 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:07.480 Right, Yeah, sounds money. 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.760 Okay, So that's the strangest ruling you've ever witnessed a 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.679 judge make in court. Actually, I've seen some crazy. 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.840 Stuff there's all kinds of like crazy rulings. I mean, 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:21.839 I've had judges that just because they didn't finish reading 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:25.320 the documents, they'll adopt positions that like the Florida Supreme 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:29.000 Court has already rejected because they just misread the document 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:29.880 or they're too Do. 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:31.480 You ever jump in and you're like, by the way, 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.040 you forgot to read page like twenty or do not? 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:34.760 You can't do that? 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:38.000 Yeah, so you can move for reconsideration. There's a mechanism 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:39.679 to kind of correct these types of. 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:43.320 Errors like respectfully, right, like, because if you're too aggressive, 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:44.040 they probably. 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:45.720 Will like, well, I mean it's like everything else, you 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.880 have to be respectful. Right, There's there's rules. But sometimes 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.960 you know, judges, they're people, right, and sometimes you have 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.839 really great judges, sometimes mediocre, some not great ones. 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.920 Have you ever had an instance where a judge was like, 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:00.200 you know, kind of picking on you or coming at 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:01.760 you and you had the diss you right back. 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:06.200 Well, yeah, and that happens, you know, pretty frequently. Usually 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.400 it's it was the better judges that were doing it, yeah, 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.120 And it was actually I construed it as kind of 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:14.400 like a sign of respect, right, because they know they're 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:18.000 trying to kind of get me to articulate my position 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.960 or provide the authority for sure. And that's really what 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:24.120 it is. It's most judges they respect the lawyers in 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.839 front of them, and that's a healthy relationship. 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:27.040 Right. 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.440 You want to have credibility. The judges want to be 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.520 you know, have the confidence that you're giving them the 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:36.480 right case law, the right statutes. And it's healthy and 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.320 I love it. I mean some of the judges. No 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:41.400 one likes losing, but some of the judges, you know, 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:45.640 they wouldn't grant like a preliminary motion and it was frustrating. 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.599 But what they were communicating is, look, you there was 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.280 a procedural issue, or you need to emphasize this point 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.360 or take more evidence, and then you come back and 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.560 then ultimately we could win the case. So it's it's 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.640 like everything in life. Sometimes you need to take the 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:02.359 longer path, but it gets you on to the right conclusion. 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:02.920 Like that. 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:04.600 So let me ask you a question. What if you've 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.840 got like a family member that doesn't have a whole 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.440 lot of money, but really believes in themselves and thinks 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.959 they want to have a prenup, they want to get married, 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:15.520 but they can't financially afford a lawyer. Is there a 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.160 way you can get a prenup without hiring an expensive lawyer? 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.400 Yeah, of course. I mean there's there's all kinds of 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.360 nonprofit you know, options, you know, for people to guide 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.480 you through it. And the truth is, I mean, some 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.680 of these prenups depending on what the terms are. 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.440 So is it basically like a You could just basically 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.600 have a contract and a witness. Is that all you need? 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:37.080 Yeah? 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:37.640 Basically? 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.840 Oh wow, Okay, that's not interesting. I feel like we've 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:42.800 had friends that keep asking us about the stuff and 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.320 they basically said, Hey, I want to have a prenup 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.400 just because I know that my company is going to 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.120 be valued at a whole lot of money in five years 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:50.960 from now. I don't want to wait and want to 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:54.560 get married sooner, but I can't afford to hire, you know, 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.520 a thousand dollar an hour attorney to do this. 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.080 Yeah, but there's lots of great lawyers out there that 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.000 are not a thousand of dollars an hour. And the 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.360 truth of the matter is, it's like everything else in life, 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:07.720 if it's meaningful for you, anyone with the internet connection, 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.280 you can do enough research, you can find the answer, 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.360 right so it's literally at your fingertips. But a lot 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.840 of people they just for whatever reason, they don't really 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.600 want to spend the time to do the research, which 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.240 is kind of a shame because a lot of these 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.760 things like tools. You know, even ten years ago, fifteen 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.560 years ago, if you wanted to do real legal research, 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.000 you had to go to a law library. Right like 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:35.560 now you have all these different platforms that the better 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:39.120 ones typically are paid subscriptions, but they're at your fingertips, 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:40.520 and there's a lot of free ones and they have 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.240 free trials. So it's again, it's for the If it's 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.000 important enough, people find a way to be educated on 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:46.360 the story. 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.000 You have access to information that's like really. 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:59.760 Really nice, Jason. Historically the legal system has favored mothers 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.440 it comes to custody cases. But have you seen the 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:05.440 tide turning on that in recent years. 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.040 Yeah, I've actually I've seen that a lot. I've seen 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.840 the tide turning a lot. Right now in Florida, the 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:15.480 law just became effective last year. But basically they the 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:19.840 legislature passed new laws that created a presumption that both 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:23.200 parents are entitled to equal time sharing and equal print 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.920 or responsibility. So that's the presumption. That's the starting point, right, 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.200 and then of course the court will weigh a variety 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.840 of factors to determine. Okay, one parent seems to be 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:37.640 the better decision maker should be given more responsibility, or 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.840 just practically one parent. If someone just stay at home 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.160 parent or has a more flexible work schedule, maybe they 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.360 should get a little bit more than the fifty percent 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:47.120 time schedule. 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.080 Yeah, that's that's cool. 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.480 I feel like more. I feel like in twenty twenty three, 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.440 dads are really really more involved. I feel like my 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.640 dad's generation, I don't. I feel like dads were not 0:16:58.000 --> 0:16:59.640 as involved. Dads were like providers. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:01.560 Yea, I feel like, you know, the tide has been 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.040 changing and turning over the over recent years. 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.119 Yeah, women work just as hard as money, and. 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:08.720 It sounds like there's more of a strike based system, 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.680 Like if you have more negatives against you than you know, 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.480 the court might rule in favor of the other spouse 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:15.280 or something like that. 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.720 So let me ask you another question, Jason, is a 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.560 marriage considered legal if the man only mirrored because he 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:22.919 got her pregnant but later found out that child was 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.280 not his? Can you have it annulled if you find 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.040 out that the child is not yours. 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:28.760 Yeah, I think that's basically that does. 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.560 Happen sometimes, Yeah, it does kind of happen. 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:32.560 Yeah, And there's a lot of It's not even just 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:34.640 about like the child, right, it could be any kind 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:39.679 of like material false representation. Really, yeah, because when people 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.159 forget and this comes up. There was a really crazy 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.479 case I had involving like an engagement ring, and then 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:48.160 it ballooned into you know, someone wanting like implants back. 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:50.080 I mean it was really no, yeah, it was. 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.239 It was only his boobs back that he paid for. 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:54.360 Yeah, I'm not mad at that. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.520 So, yeah, it ballooned. I was only in the case 0:17:58.560 --> 0:17:59.200 for very. 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.560 Very If they're not going to be together, he should not. 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:03.879 Another man should enjoy the boots. 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.640 I spent that money. You know he's. 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:09.920 Enjoy the booths long enough. 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:10.480 Yeah, I'm not. 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:10.800