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Speaker 1: Rely revely Donks.

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Speaker 2: It is Monday, July twenty ninth, twenty nineteen, and it

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Speaker 2: is time for Morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: My name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I am the host of this program, joined by my

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Speaker 2: co host from CBS Sports. The man himself saw him

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Speaker 2: this weekend as well my showtime prelims compadre Brian Campbell I.

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Speaker 3: Brian Hey went to Baltimore, came back alive.

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Speaker 1: It's good weekend, barely.

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Speaker 2: I've never met a man with more travel headaches in

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Speaker 2: my life than this one, but somehow he finds a

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Speaker 2: way to get them where it needs to go.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what are we on? Week four of the show?

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Speaker 1: Episode four?

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Speaker 3: We made a lot of changes.

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Speaker 1: I mean we.

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Speaker 4: Started alone, listless breakfast table in an otherwise empty room,

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Speaker 4: but it's coming together.

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Speaker 1: People who have noted your nineties lyrics. Enthusiasm is pretty great,

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Speaker 1: so a lot to get to today.

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Speaker 2: There was a ton of stuff that happened over the weekend,

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Speaker 2: so why don't we jump right into it if we can.

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Speaker 2: The first topic of the day, let's start with UFC

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Speaker 2: two forty and your winner in your main event, Max

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Speaker 2: Holloway defeating Frankie Edgar to retain his UFC featherweight title.

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Speaker 2: The way I would like to start this conversation, Brian,

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Speaker 2: if I may, all the discussion is, is Max doggot

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Speaker 2: Is he the greatest of all time at featherweight? If

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Speaker 2: you look at what he's done, it's pretty impressive. Now,

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Speaker 2: the majority of that work, in terms of the numerical wins,

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Speaker 2: happened prior to claiming the title. But since then to

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Speaker 2: beat Jose Aldo twice. Now, he did lose to Poria,

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Speaker 2: of course, but that was at one fifty five. He'd

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Speaker 2: beat Brian Ortega, he beats Frankie Edgar. You know, for

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Speaker 2: two wins over Aldo, then Ortega, then Edgar, that is

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Speaker 2: quite the resume.

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Speaker 4: And you consider the fourteen wins in a row at featherweight,

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Speaker 4: that's pretty amazing.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I would say about that, though, I think

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Speaker 2: the discussion is kind of silly.

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Speaker 1: The division is so young.

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Speaker 2: You've got three people who have ever held the title,

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Speaker 2: and one of those never even defended it. Now, his

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Speaker 2: resume is pretty good too, right, you beat Pooria down there,

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Speaker 2: he beat Max down there, He KOed Aldo down there,

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Speaker 2: and a bunch of other stuff as well.

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Speaker 1: He had a nice run at for the way too.

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Speaker 2: Like this is all to say, is Edgar's run at

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Speaker 2: featherweight worthy of respect?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Is Max's? Yes, is Aldo's? Yes, is Connors Yes?

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Speaker 1: But like greatest of all time, I'm not saying we can't.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying a fall take era we.

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Speaker 2: Can't arrange them a little bit in our mind, but

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Speaker 2: we talk about the greatest of all time for a

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Speaker 2: division that is you know, it's just so so we

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Speaker 2: won't covering Nima longer than it's been a featherweight division.

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Speaker 4: You know that we do podcasts, we do radio shows,

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Speaker 4: we do TV, and we know what it's like to

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Speaker 4: fill segments, to have to have things to talk about,

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Speaker 4: and we also know maybe how tiresome it's getting, especially

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Speaker 4: in a sport in MMA where it's so young twenty

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Speaker 4: five plus years and women's MMA, when we're talking about

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Speaker 4: Nuniez is the greatest of all time, but she is,

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Speaker 4: by the way, but still it's a little bit ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: The sport's been around for.

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Speaker 4: What a decade on the women's side, you know, at

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Speaker 4: the highest level. So yes, with all that said, it

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Speaker 4: is getting a little bit too hot. Take you to

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Speaker 4: always every week update, Well, does that make this guy

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Speaker 4: the new greatest this weight class at top fights that

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Speaker 4: started at ten pm Eastern. No it doesn't, but same time, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Max is the best, by the way legacy, and what

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Speaker 4: this fight ultimately did Luke with such a one sided

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Speaker 4: and technical and brilliant win over Frank Jeger who still

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Speaker 4: had it at thirty seven despite this guy right here

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Speaker 4: entering having my own doubts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, boy, Max is.

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Speaker 4: Freaking unflappable, all right, freaking unflappable. So you remember twenty

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Speaker 4: eighteen where people were fearing for his health. I was

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Speaker 4: one of those people fearing for his health, yep. And

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Speaker 4: I feel like every time we have a question about him,

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Speaker 4: certainly had at least some question coming in coming off

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Speaker 2: So the interesting part about that is you'll note at

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Speaker 2: the post by press conference they were asking, Okay, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna fight Volkanovski at the show two forty three down

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Speaker 2: in Australia, and.

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Speaker 1: His answer was, look, hold your horses.

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Speaker 2: I got to get some medical tests done, and I

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Speaker 2: believe I'm told by his manager that he's out. I

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Speaker 2: think doing that today in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: So here's the deal.

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Speaker 4: Would that be the thirteenth island by the way, though

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Speaker 4: I know you don't like this type of talk, but.

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Speaker 2: Australia, yeah, well, isn't Vegas ninth island? And then Canada

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Speaker 2: It a few islands there before you need to I

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Speaker 2: guess the point being is I also think to your point,

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Speaker 2: he wasn't taking his health as seriously as he should have.

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Speaker 2: And I also I thought that Max would win this,

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Speaker 2: but I also thought man coming back from Parier fights

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Speaker 3: I saw nothing.

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Speaker 4: Luke, Yeah, I mean this was the potential perfect trap

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Speaker 4: fight if you believed in Frankie, which Frankie's got up rightfully,

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Speaker 4: a large army online of people that I mean, he's one.

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Speaker 1: Of the more I heard from them, basically your skepticism.

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Speaker 4: And he's one of the more beloved fighters for a

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Speaker 4: reason of these modern times. But the way he fights

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Speaker 4: with takes chances and there comes back fights over his

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Speaker 4: head and weigh all that good stuff. But what I

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Speaker 4: said was right, I looked at it more as for Max,

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Speaker 4: almost a borderline get well fight. At the same time, though,

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Speaker 4: if you believed in Edgar it was a trap fight too,

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Speaker 4: and then it's like, throw those narratives away. What we

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Speaker 4: really saw was a guy who's still only twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: So what's your say?

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Speaker 2: So what you're saying was I was right last week

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Speaker 2: and you were wrong?

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Speaker 4: Well was a little bit, was I because let's look

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Speaker 4: look at how it played out in the end to say.

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Speaker 2: Well, fight for Frankie frankyd Also you just now called

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Speaker 2: it one sided.

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Speaker 1: I would disagree.

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Speaker 4: I don't see people out I saw people out there

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, I think you could score at

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Speaker 2: to say the score doesn't reflect how competitive it was.

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: In me?

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Speaker 4: Using the word trap foot obviously gets people up in arms,

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Speaker 4: but that doesn't really show you who Frankie is. It

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Speaker 4: shows that in this division, when you had other options

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Speaker 4: idea of going back to Frankie in this spot, to me,

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Speaker 4: was utilizing his marketability and playing it in a little

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Speaker 4: But just try to sit here and say I should

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Speaker 3: Like I thought it would play out.

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Speaker 4: In the end, I thought it was pretty and yet

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Speaker 4: I still came out of there impressed with both performances.

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Speaker 4: And that's the thing. This was one of those weird

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Speaker 3: This is not gonna be He's not gonna out Boxwate.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: One of the issues that Frankie runs into is there's

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Speaker 2: seven you're not really You can make some tweaks to

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Speaker 2: And his skill set relative to Max, where Max can.

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Speaker 2: I did a whole thing on this un dissected. You know,

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Speaker 2: Max can stand at southpaw or orthodox, he can circle

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Speaker 1: He can build a game plan exactly as.

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Speaker 2: He needs to based on this incredible modularity in the

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Speaker 2: striking game, which frankly most people, hardly any have. Frankie

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Speaker 2: but the wrestling, as we saw, got shut down.

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Speaker 1: And the striking's good.

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Speaker 2: But I think people have seen so much of it

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Speaker 2: But I gotta say I came out of that thinking

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Speaker 2: Years ago, Brian, his coach Mark Henry unsolicited called into

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Speaker 2: I think he was still at one fifty five at

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Speaker 2: I think, and only he can make it at thirty seven.

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Speaker 2: It's a departure. No, it is a testament today if

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Speaker 2: you can have a successful campaign at lightweight, which he did.

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Speaker 2: He didn't want a title one forty five, but he's

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Speaker 2: been a pretty damn.

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Speaker 3: For the tough three times to get to that aint contests.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely strong count of himself and going to one thirty

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Speaker 2: It would tell me that you can be competitive against

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Speaker 4: We learned in this fight that from an elite standpoint,

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Speaker 4: he still got it.

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Speaker 3: He still got it very much.

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Speaker 4: He just bought a Max who's again not to go

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Speaker 4: too much on hyperbole, but it's starting to show you

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Speaker 4: that he's building a case to be an all time

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Speaker 4: great and Max is only twenty seven, so it's mind

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Speaker 4: boggling how much he's done, how good he is.

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Speaker 3: Frankie showed you he still got it.

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Speaker 4: But the idea of well should he go, My question

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Speaker 4: yet he's almost still too good to enter completely into

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Speaker 4: that graduation that fighters do where you just become an

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Speaker 4: one more big fight. Maybe you'll just match your old

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Speaker 4: It comes down to what she wants most, what it

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Speaker 1: Do I just make up an you certainly did all right, evolvement, Wow, evolvement.

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Speaker 3: But yet it's a constant put down.

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Speaker 4: So from that regard, it seems natural go find out

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Speaker 4: But Luke, I come back to this, the fight that

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Speaker 1: So A, what damage was scored there? And B.

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Speaker 2: Like talk about getting off on the wrong foot. You're

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Speaker 2: So I'm not saying Cyborg has always been the easiest

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Speaker 2: It was Nate Diaz's people reaching out to Anthony Pettis's

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Speaker 1: Dude, there is a it is. You don't realize.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's really Cyborg at home the only you

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Speaker 4: that night to gut it out and beat him, and

439
00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,600
Speaker 4: then the decline happened, and then all that I saw

440
00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,280
Speaker 4: glimpses of that on Saturday night where we saw a

441
00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,360
Speaker 4: cyborg doing what she had to do to get the

442
00:16:58,440 --> 00:16:58,960
Speaker 4: job done.

443
00:16:59,080 --> 00:16:59,520
Speaker 3: And it's no.

444
00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,000
Speaker 4: Nothing against Flicia Spencer, but I think she poured out

445
00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,480
Speaker 4: what might be left. So if she still wants the

446
00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,320
Speaker 4: idea of giant money and wants the idea of gaining

447
00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,640
Speaker 4: back glory, that window is right now to go back

448
00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:11,040
Speaker 4: in the man.

449
00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,120
Speaker 2: Did you even negotiate with the UFC and good faith

450
00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:14,600
Speaker 2: at this point. Part of the reason why Diana White

451
00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,280
Speaker 2: saying those things is if she leaves, he has set

452
00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,680
Speaker 2: the narrative and then second of all, he has now

453
00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,879
Speaker 2: reduced her bargaining power by going out and saying, well,

454
00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,479
Speaker 2: this is what she really wants, this is what it's now.

455
00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,720
Speaker 4: You make a good point. It's clear he doesn't want it.

456
00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,600
Speaker 4: He doesn't seem to want that fight. He doesn't seem

457
00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,800
Speaker 4: to want to help her get that fight. I don't

458
00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,120
Speaker 4: guess he's going to sign her to a one off

459
00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,040
Speaker 4: and pay her a ton of money.

460
00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,320
Speaker 2: So also, I would argue that Chris Cyberg versus Julia

461
00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:36,440
Speaker 2: budd is a legitimate fight.

462
00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,400
Speaker 1: It's a legitimate fight easy. I don't know, but.

463
00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,760
Speaker 4: I think you sit down at the table, you find

464
00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,800
Speaker 4: out what's really going on here. If you can get

465
00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,000
Speaker 4: the money that you deserve, yeah, you go back after

466
00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:46,960
Speaker 4: that noon Ya's rematch.

467
00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,040
Speaker 3: If not, you're never going to get it. You just

468
00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:49,760
Speaker 3: walk away for good.

469
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Speaker 2: Right, all right, fair enough, Now let's shift gears. We'll

470
00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,560
Speaker 2: come back to the UFC stuff in just a second.

471
00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,000
Speaker 2: Let's go first to where we were of the weekend.

472
00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,680
Speaker 2: You had Dravanta Gravonte Davis. I'll keep saying Draavanta Dravonte

473
00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,560
Speaker 2: David taking on Ricardo Nunez in his hometown. It was

474
00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,560
Speaker 2: a homecoming fight. It aired on Showtime. By the way,

475
00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,200
Speaker 2: a little bit of credit here if I do say

476
00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:07,880
Speaker 2: so myself.

477
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Speaker 1: Call it a second round.

478
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Speaker 2: KO, It's exactly what we got. Gervante Davis looked pretty incredible. So, Brian,

479
00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,440
Speaker 2: you're the boxing guy here, Let's answer a two parter.

480
00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,920
Speaker 2: If we can start us off here, One how did

481
00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:21,600
Speaker 2: he look to you?

482
00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,920
Speaker 1: And two? Realistically? Where can he go from here?

483
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Speaker 2: It looks to me like he's got a lot of options,

484
00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,639
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure which ones are the most realistic?

485
00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:30,000
Speaker 1: Which one?

486
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Speaker 4: So he looked absolutely fantastic. Let's start that off. Blew

487
00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,960
Speaker 4: away a guy never heard of? Yes, but this guy

488
00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,399
Speaker 4: you never heard of had this sort of the wild

489
00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,119
Speaker 4: card in this fact that he knocked out nineteen of

490
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Speaker 4: the twenty one wins that he has, and he came

491
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Speaker 4: in there trying to fight, trying to win, had some sway,

492
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Speaker 4: I had some power. What I saw was a very

493
00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,000
Speaker 4: patient Gravonta Davis. You're talking about a twenty four year old.

494
00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,800
Speaker 4: We talked about that narrative coming in talent through the roof,

495
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,320
Speaker 4: had a little bit of problem.

496
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Speaker 3: Staying serious, a little bit of problems outside the ring.

497
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Speaker 4: It seemed the narrative last couple of fights was Gervonte

498
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Speaker 4: Davis is the toughest opponent, maybe himself, but you know what,

499
00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,960
Speaker 4: he seems to put that together personally. So what I

500
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,280
Speaker 4: saw inside the ring was this clinical patient performance in

501
00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,199
Speaker 4: a round and a half where he didn't let his

502
00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,359
Speaker 4: hands go early. He read the defense kind of like

503
00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,919
Speaker 4: Floyd does, not comparing them, but in that same regard,

504
00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,080
Speaker 4: and then sort of got closer and got closer, and

505
00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:15,760
Speaker 4: then when he let his hands go and finish the fight,

506
00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,160
Speaker 4: the kids in natural finish.

507
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Speaker 3: Or the power is so there.

508
00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,640
Speaker 4: But this conversation, because of the opponent and the recent opponents,

509
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,400
Speaker 4: can't really be about how he looked, because this Saturday

510
00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,600
Speaker 4: night was about marketing, branding and a star not being

511
00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,320
Speaker 4: born because we'd seen him before, but starting to really burst.

512
00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,600
Speaker 4: And it's not just his promoter Floyd Mayweather afterwards talking

513
00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,040
Speaker 4: about I see it, he's a pay per view star.

514
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,879
Speaker 4: It's just the idea of coming back home to Baltimore

515
00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,560
Speaker 4: and feeling that crowd. I mean, look, we got a

516
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,720
Speaker 4: pause and poor went out for the Baltimoreans.

517
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Speaker 1: Is that we're going Holy.

518
00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:49,359
Speaker 3: Cow, did they bring it?

519
00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,320
Speaker 4: And it's not that we hadn't seen top rank bring

520
00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 4: Terence Crawford to his hometown in Omaha and see fantastic

521
00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,080
Speaker 4: crowds or Jose Ramirez and Fresno and Jose Romerez had

522
00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,080
Speaker 4: a great win over the weekend over Mohooker to Unify

523
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:05,000
Speaker 4: or other. But this direction that we're going is so refreshing.

524
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,439
Speaker 4: How many boxing fights have you seen in person on

525
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 4: TV and half filled casino arenas where people are getting

526
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:12,600
Speaker 4: free tickets and they don't know what's going on. This

527
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,119
Speaker 4: was an engaged crowd that treated him like a star homecoming,

528
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,640
Speaker 4: and I felt like he took a leap through the screen,

529
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,480
Speaker 4: and I felt like his brand took a leap here.

530
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,840
Speaker 4: So yes, it's true he doesn't have that defining opponent yet.

531
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Speaker 4: We thought it would be Abner Mars. He hasn't faced

532
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 4: it yet. We can throw around names like the like

533
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,920
Speaker 4: the Leo Santa Cruis or the Gary Russells, but again

534
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 4: those are smaller guys who would be moving up in wait,

535
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,159
Speaker 4: and that's sort of been the criticism for Germonte up

536
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,639
Speaker 4: to this point. Hasn't faced really a top guy on

537
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,119
Speaker 4: his own level outside of that Padraza fight. So what

538
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 4: this showed me is, yes, of course it's time to

539
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 4: move on and face that now. But I don't hate

540
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 4: what he's talking about unifying against the Tevin Farmer, trying

541
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 4: to unify against the other champions in the division before

542
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 4: he moves up to one thirty five where we all

543
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 4: know he's going. This was about Star Parer and this

544
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 4: was about having that discussion right now, Is he what

545
00:20:58,680 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 4: Floyd Mayweather says?

546
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 3: He is showing you that he's a pay per view brand.

547
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:03,679
Speaker 1: Partly, here's the thing.

548
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 2: Partly Floyd is willing things into existence a little bit here.

549
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 2: He's like setting the narrative in the media, Like when

550
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 2: he says this guy is a going to be a

551
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 2: pay per view star, is a paper view star, I

552
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 2: forget the exact word, A wording. He's sort of like

553
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 2: getting again the boxing media to be stenographers and tell

554
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 2: you that's what this is all about, and then you

555
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 2: begin to think of it that way. Also, if you

556
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 2: just look at the Google search trends, he was the

557
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,360
Speaker 2: highest searched athlete over the weekend, over Max Holloway, over

558
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 2: Frankie Edgar, over Chris Cyberg.

559
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 1: Over UFC, over UFC itself in general.

560
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. Yes, I work for showtime. People

561
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 2: gonna accuse me what I'm about to say for shilling

562
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 2: but show me what I'm about to say is wrong.

563
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,919
Speaker 2: We just had Chris Cyberer talking about the fact that

564
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 2: they're damaging my brand. Look at what Floyd Mayweather's TMT,

565
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 2: and of course he has his own promotion GDT and

566
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 2: then of course Showtime in conjunction working when you get

567
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 2: behind an A side talent and you promote them like

568
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 2: an A side talent, even if people don't don't even

569
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 2: know who the opponent is, I'm not sure how much

570
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 2: they care to it to an extent, of course, he

571
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,360
Speaker 2: asks now change that. But the point being is, look

572
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 2: at how much much Gervante Davis has benefited from this

573
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 2: kind of treatment. Go and look at all the shows

574
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 2: that Showtime put together, in all the interviews and all

575
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 2: of the online treatment and all the things Floyd is doing.

576
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 2: Everyone is setting that's able for somebody to be something special.

577
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: He has to go and do it against the Marees

578
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 2: or a Terremoto or a whoever or Gary Russell Junior.

579
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 2: He has to go and do all those things. But

580
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 2: you see the actual benefit. Take somebody who's got some talent,

581
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 2: put the wind at his back instead of his face,

582
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 2: and lo and behold, he can go back to a

583
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 2: freaking old Bay Natty bo territory, and he can sell

584
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 2: out the joint.

585
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: It's amazing to watch.

586
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,479
Speaker 4: Well, if he's gonna do in between fights like this

587
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 4: one was a mandatory opponent, you gotta go back to

588
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 4: I want that inside my veins. Whatever did you whatever

589
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 4: was going on the air, and I did smell some

590
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 4: of his thoughts, so I do know.

591
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,959
Speaker 2: Yes, Baltimore gets busy with the sticky in terms of

592
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 2: just the feeling, I mean, rub it on my gums,

593
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 2: put it into twelve in.

594
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 1: All serious is did you not get the feeling? You

595
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: were like? Yo? They he can come back here, Oh

596
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: he can. Absolutely.

597
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 4: The title order line sold out that twelve thousand seed arena.

598
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 2: I mean they announced with the broadcast when I got

599
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 2: home fourteen thousand plus that was off.

600
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 4: So look, it's opponents ultimately that make you that. But

601
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 4: he's going to get there and he's not afraid to

602
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 4: move to one thirty five. And if you look at

603
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 4: it where we are right now in boxing, if his

604
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 4: long term opponent, long term giant pay per view network

605
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 4: network is like a Lomachenko, he's the right guy to

606
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 4: build in here. And it's weird that he's got Floyd

607
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 4: in his corner, and we sort of lazily sometimes go, well,

608
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 4: he's the next Floy. No, he's not a completely different fighter.

609
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 4: Doesn't that Floyd's Charismah, it's completely different. But he's almost

610
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 4: like a young Pakio in this sense. Who was the

611
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 4: last small weight fighter who actually became a pay per

612
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 4: view brand, Manny Pacio.

613
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 3: How did he do it?

614
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 4: Not with talking trash, not with charisma, firepower and explosion

615
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 4: which Jervonte Davis has in these small weight classes. The

616
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 4: last next Floyd was Adrian Browner. Didn't have the work

617
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 4: ethic we know it. Dravante seems in this period, the

618
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 4: last couple of years, when we wanted him to fight

619
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 4: the big names, he wanted to fight the big names,

620
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 4: it didn't happen. One thing that did happen, though, is

621
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 4: at twenty four, he seems to have gotten some of

622
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 4: that other stuff out of him.

623
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he seems to be focused now.

624
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 4: First time father ready, So he's got a little bit

625
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 4: of that many pachio vibe. If his long term Floyd

626
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 4: Mayweather many a patio opponent is Vasili.

627
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 3: Lomachenko, that ain't bad.

628
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 4: And in the meantime, if he's going to start taking

629
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 4: fights that truly matter, and a unification fight with Tevin

630
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 4: Farmer would truly matter. I don't know about Floyd's saying

631
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 4: that's a pay per view still, but still I'm ready

632
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 4: for this.

633
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 2: For all the clouds that Pacquiao fought, he still fought

634
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: the d La Hoyas and the Hattons and.

635
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 3: Martin Barrera Morales, I mean everyone.

636
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: So that's really what's missing from Davis at this point.

637
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 2: We know he he stumbled against s Fonseeka in terms

638
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 2: of how he managed his weight, and that whole week

639
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: he also had the weirdest trunks I'd ever seen in my.

640
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 3: Life, and he went for a knock out the whole fight.

641
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 1: He didn't vibe it, just it was weird.

642
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 2: But since then he seems to have absolutely centered himself.

643
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: He managed this moment in Baltimore about as perfectly as

644
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: you could ask any aside fighter to do. And now

645
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: it's a question of you got to get those names

646
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 2: on the resume too. You got to get those big fights.

647
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: So my thought is, hey send him to New York,

648
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 2: send him to La, send him to Las Vegas. Put

649
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,719
Speaker 2: him on some big cards, because eventually you can come

650
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 2: back to Baltimore and you can do the exact same thing,

651
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 2: and it's genuine hometown. There's nothing in the world like

652
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 2: your community embracing you in the way you saw that

653
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: I alluded to on the broadcast.

654
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 1: I was there when at the Walter E.

655
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: Convention Center in DC when Peterson fought com Dude, it

656
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: has a completely different feeling for everybody there when that

657
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: kind and.

658
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,719
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, I thought seven of his last dight

659
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 4: on Showtime, the other one being the Mayweather McGregory pay

660
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 4: per view, and yeah, this is a Showtime show. But

661
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 4: throw that out there, because, like you said, there are

662
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 4: very few actual future pay per view fighters in the

663
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 4: sport right now. Right, he's by far jumping off the

664
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 4: screen as one of them.

665
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 3: That matters, all.

666
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: Right, So now we go back to UFC if we

667
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 2: can for a second. Also a little bit of boxing here.

668
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: We're talking about all the good stuff is Max the Goat,

669
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: Chris Cyborg has some options. Some bad stuff there too,

670
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: is well, I suppose is Davis the next pay per

671
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: view star in boxing? Let's talk about some of the

672
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: things that I thought, Huh, we're not that great.

673
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: Let's start on the MMA side.

674
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 2: Bjpenn is going to get another fight in the UFC,

675
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: Dana White defending it by saying, if you're a doctor,

676
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: call me.

677
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: If not, mind your business. I don't even know where

678
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: to start with this.

679
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 2: Okay, First of all, start with the Dana White statement, Dana,

680
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: I would love to know what the phone number is

681
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 2: that the.

682
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: Doctors can call.

683
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,479
Speaker 2: I'd be happy to share it with my audience here

684
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: on this show or any other show that I do.

685
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: Number one.

686
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: Number two, the idea that if you're not a doctor,

687
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: mind your business. It's like, well, if you're not a doctor,

688
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 2: and that makes you incapable of making an assessment. That actually

689
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 2: cuts both ways, So it actually undercuts his argument as well. Also,

690
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: it is the media's job to wonder about these kinds

691
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: of things. Look, here's the deal man. And about bj Penn,

692
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: I'll put my cards on the table. When he was

693
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: at his peak, and I said this at the time,

694
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: and I'll repeat it now, that was about as close

695
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 2: to the perfect fighter as you're ever going to see.

696
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: He was hard to hurt, his skin didn't even like.

697
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 3: Cut, bad hairline. But that's about it, okay.

698
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: Bro, That's about it. Though he had a great job.

699
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: Even Freddie Roach was saying he had the best job

700
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: in mma, his jiu jitsu.

701
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: Do I need to say anything? You couldn't take him down.

702
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 2: He was training with the Marinovich's because four was his

703
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: gas think issue. When they got him locked on, he

704
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: was an unstoppable force of nature. Well, now he appears

705
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: to be unstoppable for a very different reason. I cannot

706
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 2: understand how in good conscience you can say Liddell needs

707
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: to retire in the way that he does, or Luke

708
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: Rockhold or Holly Holm.

709
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: Except to say, well, he's not getting viciously knocked out.

710
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: I don't know how many times, Brian, I need to

711
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: repeat this subconcussive blows cause CTE. The idea that you

712
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: have to get flat lined as a reason to stop this. Yes,

713
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: of course, if you are getting flat lined, that is alarming.

714
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 2: The idea that that has to be in place, first

715
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: of all, is kind of ghoulish number one. Second of all,

716
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: it's not a scientifically literate position. You cannot claim to

717
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: be up to date on your understanding of brain trauma

718
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: and adopt that.

719
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: Now.

720
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: I'm not making a diagnosis of pen or anybody else.

721
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: But what I don't want to hear is well he's

722
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 2: got a right to fight, No he doesn't.

723
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: That is actually a privilege. You have to get a

724
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: license to do it, which by definition means he doesn't

725
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:00,719
Speaker 1: have a right.

726
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 2: And also, how can you inconsistently apply these standards to

727
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 2: so many other fighters? But say, well, he lobbied on

728
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 2: his behalf on my phone, So what what does that

729
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: have to do with anything?

730
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 3: How about you lobby on his behalf? Now?

731
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 4: How about you jump in there? I mean, like, this

732
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 4: is a new low. This is really a new low.

733
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 4: And when we talk about themes like hey, it's the

734
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 4: two year anniversary when Dana called the cyborg vonder lay

735
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 4: in address, sometimes we go okay, well that's the old days,

736
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 4: a little bit more wild west, maybe our PC society

737
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 4: things were taken as a joke more than they are.

738
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 4: I mean, Dana said a lot of awful things. But

739
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 4: this is now twenty nineteen, this week, and this is

740
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 4: a new low allowing Bjpenn here, guess what he doesn't

741
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 4: need now, doesn't need to go away fight. You've lost

742
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 4: seven in a row, that's a UFC record. You've lost badly.

743
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 4: You're Bjpenn, You're foty years old, you're already in the

744
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 4: UFC Hall of Fame and still fighting.

745
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 3: And even worse.

746
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 4: And this is sometimes where people use the excuses he's

747
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 4: not drawing either. He's bare almost in a we're embarrassed

748
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 4: about this type of way on the lower preliminary cards,

749
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 4: like he should be right now. So it's not even like, well,

750
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 4: we can get another main event out of him, we

751
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 4: can get another No, we're not even at that point.

752
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 4: We're at the point now where Dana White is doing

753
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 4: him a major disservice. Dana White is helping an addict,

754
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 4: if you will, a fight addict, a guy who's still

755
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 4: addicted to whether it's the payday or the competition or

756
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 4: just the spotlight. You're letting him get one more when

757
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 4: he shouldn't have the last four if we're really being honest,

758
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 4: last time Bjpenn wont to fight. I had a flip

759
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 4: phone and that's for real, that's a shoot. So this situation,

760
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 4: it's not take the keys away from grandpa, it's stop

761
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 4: giving him the drugs, like what are you doing in

762
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 4: this spot? And the sad truth is something Danna White mentioned,

763
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 4: Bjpenn probably will still fight after this. It's all he knows,

764
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 4: loves it, lives for it. It's all he knows should

765
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 4: shouldn't be in your organization. And if you want to

766
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 4: actually do something for him, don't give him one more

767
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 4: fight that you're just gonna bury and feel bad about.

768
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 4: And we do have quotes on record from Dana saying

769
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 4: I don't want to see him fight anymore. So now

770
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 4: you're doubling down, going what are we doing here? You

771
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 4: know what you should give him? How about a pension?

772
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: Right? How about money? How about a job?

773
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 4: How about those jobs you used to throw out at

774
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 4: Ludell and Matt Hughes back in the day.

775
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 3: Company's not hurting financially.

776
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 4: How about something so that he doesn't have to do

777
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 4: this if you care about him that much, because this

778
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 4: is sad to give him this platform to see his

779
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 4: brand go down, but forget about the brand, to see

780
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 4: his health go down. And if we're talking about somebody

781
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 4: who seems stable and healthy right now, it would be

782
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 4: one thing. But we're talking about somebody who just google

783
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 4: bjpenn arrest and over the last six months you'll see

784
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 4: some pretty scary stories in there.

785
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: And I also again like he who is without saying

786
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: cast the first stone. Lots of young men get in

787
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: trouble in bars. Okay, it's not the end of the world.

788
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 2: But to be forty and be on TMZ because you're

789
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: drunkenly wrestling a bouncer outside of a strip club. Again,

790
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: is that, by itself the end of the world?

791
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 4: Or baking a machetey to your neighbor and threatening to

792
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 4: kill I mean, boo, what we're saying. Even if these

793
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 4: three or four stories are part actually true, there's warning

794
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 4: signs right now, right.

795
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: None of that is. None of that is where you're like, well,

796
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: it's no big deal.

797
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: It's like, dude, when I was getting chucked out of bars,

798
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: my mom had just died and I was twenty five

799
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: in drinking to like deal with the paint. I'm forty now.

800
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: I couldn't even h forty next week. I couldn't even

801
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: imagine a scenario where that would be a thing that

802
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: would happen but for the fact that something else is

803
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: going terribly wrong.

804
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: And I'm not in a position to diagnose what that is.

805
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: But if you really care about someone, how can you

806
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: justify the ethics of giving them By the way, Nick

807
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: Lentz is a good fighter.

808
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: He is by no means washed. Now is he a

809
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: top tier note.

810
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: But it's kind of funny, like we talked about getting

811
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 2: flat lined versus not flat line. You know, the UFC

812
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: gave Rashad Evans sam Alvi in Mexico City and it

813
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: was just kind of like a Dan Kelly and it

814
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: was kind of like, ah, well, then they gave him

815
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: Anthony Smith and then he gets flat lined and then

816
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, right now it's time to go. I'm

817
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: not suggesting that's the way to handle it, but sometimes

818
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: until the UFC does, sometimes people don't get the que

819
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: So I we'll see what happens.

820
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 3: There's no there's no win here.

821
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 4: Let's say if he won and the wins in the

822
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 4: even if he wins and pulls some upset and you

823
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 4: win nothing, there's no Sorry, It's true.

824
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: There's no happy endings in combat sports. We know this, unless.

825
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 4: Maybe sat Vierer got one Floyd that girl collection after hours,

826
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 4: maybe there's a few of them. But what I mean like,

827
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 4: there's no good story that ends that way. This is

828
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 4: going to end badly, inevitably end it.

829
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: Now, speaking of bad and ending, although not inevitably, they

830
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: actually made choices to end it quite poorly.

831
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: Didn't get a lot of news in.

832
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: The MMA side of things, but I think it should

833
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: there was some boxing news Dillion White. I would say

834
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: he's in all kinds of trouble, but I'm not sure

835
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: that's true.

836
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: But he caused all kinds of trouble. What happened.

837
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 4: So he had a fight two Saturdays ago against Oscar Revis,

838
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 4: number one contender in the UK. In the UK, Dillion White,

839
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 4: who of course one, losses a heavyweight to Anthony Joshua's

840
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 4: amateur rival.

841
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 3: He got knocked out, but he hurt Joshua in that fight.

842
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: He's been wanting a rematch forever.

843
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 4: He's been number one ranked for a while, waiting for that,

844
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 4: waiting to get Joshua back in there. Joshua said other

845
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 4: students in front of him. He fights Revas, gets knocked down,

846
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 4: gets up, wins a close unanus decision comes out after the.

847
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: Fight that he had failed two tests.

848
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 4: He had failed the drug for two steroids leading up

849
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 4: to it wow, and that there was knowledge of it

850
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 4: by the promoter, by the British Boxing Board.

851
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: The promoter in this case Eddie Hearn, Eddie Hearn.

852
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 4: And that in the end the BBOC the board came

853
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 4: together deemed him fit to compete somehow despite the failures

854
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 4: and never told his opponent, Yeah, which doesn't It just

855
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 4: doesn't make a ton of sense.

856
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 3: It just sounds straight up corrupt.

857
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 4: And to see Eddie Hearn in this spot sort of

858
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 4: defend the situation by going, well, they had a hearing,

859
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 4: it's it's the commission's job to do it, and they

860
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 4: did it.

861
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 3: If he was.

862
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 4: Representing Anthony Joshua and that happened and the opponent failed

863
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,479
Speaker 4: the drug test, would you want to find out? So

864
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 4: that is that, And then it comes out afterwards from

865
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 4: the Athletics Mike Coppinger that Revas's team also found out

866
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 4: last minute that Dillian White changed the gloves that were

867
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 4: inspected for this fight.

868
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: That is super fucked up.

869
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 4: Team Revis finds out before the fight they asked to

870
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 4: have the gloves take it off and inspected.

871
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: The British Board says no.

872
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 4: After the they asked to inspect, the British Board says no.

873
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 4: So you have sort of a double jeopardy situation of

874
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 4: just crap that happened in this case. And if I'm

875
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 4: Andy Ruiz Junior the heavyweight, who would you upset Anthony

876
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 4: Joshua to win three or four titles. Why would you

877
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 4: go to Great Britain at this point?

878
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: Well, this is it. Joshua seems like he does everything

879
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: above board.

880
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 4: Okay, but this is a major warning sign of just

881
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 4: outright corruption, of outright what's going on here.

882
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: So if I'm Andy Ruiz and he's in a weird spot.

883
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 3: By the way, we don't talk about.

884
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 4: This enough, Andrey Ruiz stops Anthony Joshua big win. But

885
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 4: in this modern day, with mandatory rematch clauses for champions,

886
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 4: you really don't win anything unless you beat the champion twice.

887
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 4: You have no leverage contractually, you have really no much control.

888
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 4: So you see these interviews with Andy Ruiz and he's like,

889
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 4: you know, I want the rematch in Mexico, I want this,

890
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 4: and that you don't really have much say if you

891
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 4: don't fight Joshua, you lose the titles. So he's sort

892
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 4: of in a tough spot. But if there's anything he

893
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 4: can stand on, I keep that on American soil.

894
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: All right, very good.

895
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: Now we're not done with UFC because just what would

896
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 2: you say, two to three path stops away. Ryan Campbell's

897
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: gonna be UFC Newark UFC on ESPN five and in

898
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: the main event, Colby Covington takes on Robbi Lawler. Colby

899
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: Coventon ranked I think two or three somewhere around there.

900
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: I think two, and then you have Robby Lawler ranked

901
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: about eleven or so. So it's a big challenge in

902
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: terms of Colby Covington because he's doing the same kind

903
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: of thing Brian that Hafelo Dosanjos did against Leon Edwards.

904
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: He was ranked four, and then leand Evers's ranked twelfth,

905
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: and then they almost switched positions. So it's a lot

906
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: to give up. On the other hand, here's the interesting

907
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: part about it, sitting it to Colby Covington being the

908
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: former interim champion and Dana White saying over the weekend,

909
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: for whatever this is worth, at least saying it creates

910
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: some kind of leverage for him that if Covington wins

911
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: this weekend, he gets the title shot next ahead of

912
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 2: Jorge Maswittal, who is ranked.

913
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: Currently one step behind.

914
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be interesting to see what Jorge is

915
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: rooting for, because Jorge is.

916
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: Best friends with Covington. But okay, here's the question.

917
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: The question, of course, do we believe that Comington's going

918
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: to get a title shot if he ends up beating

919
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 2: Robbie Lowler, and I would have to say it depends.

920
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: It depends on probably a couple of factors. One is

921
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: the fight itself is it doesn't have to finish Robbie

922
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: because by the way, finishing Robbie is not going to

923
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: be easy.

924
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: It's a five rounder as well. But if Covington can

925
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: look kind of.

926
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: The way he did against Osanjo's kind of the way

927
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 2: he did against Demi and Maya, where there's this like

928
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: accumulated damage. So not only is the fight over where

929
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: you're like, okay, there's clearly one winner here, but then

930
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: the other one kind of looks like all bruised up

931
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: and battered and kind of destroyed.

932
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: You know, it creates a certain visual impression.

933
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: Right, even when this fight was over with Max and Edgar,

934
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: you look at Max's face clean, you look at Edgar's face,

935
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: it's kind of banged up. And again that's not even

936
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: fair because some guys just take damage worse than other ones.

937
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: But the point being is it just creates.

938
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: A lasting memory you can build off of that. So

939
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 2: if he goes in there and does that kind of

940
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: a thing, that helps his chances too.

941
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: Man he's got to sell it. He's got to sell it.

942
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: And you can say Covington Cringey, he doesn't know how

943
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: to sell things. People never connect the dots on this.

944
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: Colby Covington is the fighter that the MMA media created

945
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 2: because of the way help me finish, Let me finish,

946
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: let me finish, because of the way that they report

947
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: the news. And I'm guilty in this as well. This

948
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 2: is not me pointing the finger, this is me looking

949
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: in the mirror. But because of the way they create,

950
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: they report the news breathlessly and they don't challenge any things.

951
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: And the more absurd things you say, the more attention

952
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: that you get. Somebody finally put all the pieces of

953
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: the puzzle together and said, I'm just going to be

954
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: everything that this media system enables.

955
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: And that is exactly what he does.

956
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 2: If he continues to play off that and gets right

957
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: on the horse calling kamar Usman Snoozeman, saying he's not

958
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: getting out there fast enough, all those kinds of things,

959
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: which I suspect that he will if he plays that

960
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: card Brian, it's his title shot to lose.

961
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: But he's got to do both things. I don't know

962
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: if he will.

963
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 4: He's got to win impressively too, and that's really worth

964
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 4: right now dominantly, which is obviously hard to do against

965
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 4: Robbi Lawler in any era. But I think even right now,

966
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 4: I mean, this seems like a reborn Robbi Lawler. That

967
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 4: Ben Askrin fight showed us a lot, even with the

968
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 4: weird ending, but it seems like this is a much

969
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 4: tougher fight for Covington than I think people even talking

970
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 4: about talk.

971
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 2: About real quickly, did you know he's the favorite? Which

972
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: I found surprising him.

973
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 3: I find that surprising as well.

974
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 4: And look, you know, and I went back and rewatched

975
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 4: the RDA fight before this and sort of was re surprised,

976
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 4: like I was after that fight, of how well he

977
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 4: dominated that fight, of how well he was able to

978
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 4: just put constant, relentless pressure in every angle and every possibility.

979
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 4: He should get the title shot if he wins and

980
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 4: looks good doing it. Why, because you I know, this

981
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 4: is entertainment and I and I was vowing for Masvidal

982
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 4: what two weeks ago, and I still feel like, if

983
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 4: you're going for the entertainment angle, you put Mozvidall on

984
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 4: that title shot, no matter how Colby looks.

985
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: But Kolby did have an interim belt, and I hate when.

986
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 4: Interroom belts are thrown out their haphazard They hate them

987
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 4: even more when they are stripped on, you know, triple haphazardly.

988
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 4: At this point, Covington hasn't lost. He's really putting together

989
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 4: a strong resume. If he beats Robbie Lawler almost in

990
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 4: any form, deserve.

991
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 3: So he should get the next one.

992
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 4: So I don't think there's as much pressure to do

993
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 4: all of these things. But certainly he's got to win

994
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 4: and not be controversial and look good doing it. I

995
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 4: don't think he has to go extra far and selling

996
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 4: it because who created him or not.

997
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: He's done a good job of putting himself.

998
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: Sounds like you don't agree with my thesis.

999
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: I think that it is absolutely true that a fighter

1000
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: looked at what gets attention and said, I'm going to

1001
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: make some kind of uncomfortable sort of like poorly constructed

1002
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 2: version of whatever that is and just pull all the levers.

1003
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 2: That gets MMA media to react.

1004
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: I don't know he did. I don't ema media.

1005
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: Wants to say he's some kind of vandal taking advantage

1006
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: of him.

1007
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: No, he was created by you.

1008
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 3: I kind of tend to okay. I get your theory there.

1009
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 4: I kind of tend to believe Dan Lambert att head

1010
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 4: Man created him. Dan Labert's a very good pro wrestling heel.

1011
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 4: I know you didn't watch his run in TNA Impact.

1012
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: I know he's a belt collector too.

1013
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 3: Well, great belt collection in a fun dude.

1014
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: They created a pro wrestling stock character.

1015
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: But the way which he was at, the way in

1016
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: which he has gotten ahead is by taking advantage of

1017
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: all the things that our media enables. And again that's

1018
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: not me saying everyone else and not me. I am

1019
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: guilty of it too. I have done it. I'm just

1020
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: pointing out we have to take another look in the

1021
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: mirror and be like, why is he doing and saying

1022
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: all these things? Because he knows we will cover it

1023
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: in a way where he ultimately is the benefactor.

1024
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 4: I feel like he wins, though we are headed toward O.

1025
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 4: Jorge Colby showed interim title fight. Yeah, you know, whether

1026
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 4: that means Usman is injured a little bit longer they

1027
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 4: tell them to just take a rest. I feel like

1028
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 4: that's sort of not a unsmart way, not a dumb

1029
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 4: way to kind of sort this division out right now.

1030
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 4: Put the two teammates against each other who both said

1031
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 4: obviously they'd fight each other for these kind of stakes.

1032
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be very interesting.

1033
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: Lasting about it. Is the only one that's still floating

1034
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: out there in the ether.

1035
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: If you think about it, Kamara's your champion, and you've

1036
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: got Kolby at two, Jorge at three, you've got Leon

1037
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: Edwards at four. Number one is still Tyreman Woodley. Now,

1038
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: partly that's a function of how the people who do

1039
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 2: the rankings don't understand what rankings mean. They think rankings

1040
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: like this guy just lost the title be number one,

1041
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 2: when actually it's a cue to establish who's who has

1042
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: done enough work to merit the next title shot. So

1043
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 2: like putting the guy who just like by putting I

1044
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: don't know understand why this is controversial for people by

1045
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: putting title Woody number one. If you're ranking him, what

1046
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 2: you are saying is this is the most qualified candidate

1047
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 2: to fight for a title, which clearly he's not at

1048
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: this point. Still he does occupy that position. I wonder

1049
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: how he's going to play into all of this. I

1050
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: feel if Camard doesn't come back, do they put Woodley

1051
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: in the interim title shot?

1052
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: I feel like Lawler doesn't have a whole ton of

1053
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 4: a lot to win in this case. Now, if he

1054
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 4: goes out there and dismantles and knocks out Colby Cole,

1055
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 4: that's the best way he could move into the back

1056
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 4: end of the title picture.

1057
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1058
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 4: But if he wins just in a Robbie Lawler grind

1059
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 4: it out type of style, and we go okay, we

1060
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 4: saw Colby s ceiling.

1061
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: This was a hilly couldn't get over.

1062
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 4: I feel like Lawler just goes back into that scheduled

1063
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 4: rematch against Woodley that they talked about anyway, and having

1064
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 4: interviewed him recently, he really wants that fight still, so

1065
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 4: or they put him.

1066
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: Against Edwards because I think he would jump intoe the

1067
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: top five at that point.

1068
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 3: Be interesting.

1069
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 4: I'm just telling you right now, this is a very

1070
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 4: tough fight for Colby, not just a rejuvenated Lawler, But

1071
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 4: I feel like Colby is pressing the wrong buttons at

1072
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 4: the wrong time. You know, sometimes we talk about the

1073
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 4: idea of like if you're gonna try to trash talk somebody,

1074
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 4: maybe not trash talk the craziest guy in the room,

1075
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 4: like a Jabib, like a mos Vitalog just luke voice there.

1076
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 4: But the thing about Robbi Lawler. He's crazy in a

1077
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 4: whole different way. He'll just lay silently. He doesn't care

1078
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 4: about media, trash talk, any of that. He just likes

1079
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 4: to train and come out and fight. And it's Colby

1080
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 4: who's spreading publicly the you ran away from att like

1081
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 4: a quote unquote bitch because we put up a framed

1082
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 4: poster of Tyron Woodley after he knocked you out in

1083
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 4: the gym and you couldn't handle it. I talked to

1084
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 4: Lawler about that. He says, all that is crap. This

1085
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 4: guy doesn't bother me. But you're telling me Lawler, isn't

1086
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 4: that the gym thinking, Yeah, I'm gonna end this guy.

1087
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: Lawler is a crazy in the it puts the lotion

1088
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: on the skin or else it gets the hose again

1089
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: kind of way.

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00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean that in as as nice a

1091
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 4: way as I can possibly say it. He's that other

1092
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 4: kind of crazy that if you give him a reason

1093
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 4: to dip deeper into his bag of crazy, he looks

1094
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 4: reborn and rejuvenated right now.

1095
00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does.

1096
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens on Saturday. By the way,

1097
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: main card starts at three pm.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 4: This is like ABC wide World, the sports like old

1100
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 4: school eighties boxing feeling like this is like, you know,

1101
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 4: this is great?

1102
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: All right? So we listened. You spoke to us.

1103
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: You're like, hey, we want a segment where the fans

1104
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: can ask questions and get a say, challenge us.

1105
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: Maybe on some of our views, and we.

1106
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 2: Have accommodated you. If you guys follow me on Instagram.

1107
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas News. What's your Instagram?

1108
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 3: Brian C. Campbell?

1109
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: Brian C.

1110
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: Campbell's a couple of season there. We put up pictures

1111
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: yesterday where we said, hey, leave us some questions in

1112
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: the comments below. I think I'll put up one on

1113
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: Twitter as well, although I didn't really check what happened

1114
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: after that because Twitter is a place where souls go

1115
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: to die and happiness now donk forest In any event,

1116
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: we did put them up, so I have not seen these.

1117
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 2: Brian Campbell. I told the folks in the back, you

1118
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: pull them and we'll answer them. So Brian, you'll go first.

1119
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 2: I'll read it out to you. This comes from Corry

1120
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 2: James eighty nine. Did the UFC make a mistake booking

1121
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: Holloway versus Edgar and not saving Holloway for Australia in October?

1122
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: What's the user.

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00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 4: They made a short term decision to have a marketable

1124
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 4: fight and Edmonton knowing they were going to put together

1125
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 4: and in between kind of crap car marketable?

1126
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: Was it? Dude?

1127
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 4: I don't think it was that marketable, not that marketable

1128
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 4: in the end. But imagine what it would have been

1129
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 4: like if they didn't have to Imagine if that was Volcanovs,

1130
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 4: which had been a great fight for the hard course.

1131
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 4: Did they fail in that regard? I say no, because

1132
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 4: they have what they need to sell in Australia. They

1133
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 4: have two oceanic stars that are fighting for a title

1134
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 4: in a mussy fight.

1135
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: Plus you've got Dan Hooker looking for a fight out there.

1136
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1137
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: Look, if they did, would it be awesome, No doubt

1138
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: about it. Do you need to burn it or coalign it?

1139
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: Just cause no?

1140
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 1: You do not? Next?

1141
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: Okay from Glasgow's smile, I think that's how you pronounce it.

1142
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: Does Masdel really.

1143
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: Stand a reasonable chance against a wrestler with a heavy

1144
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 2: hands excuse me, with the heavy hands, physical explosiveness and

1145
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: deep gas tank that usman possesses. I get giving him

1146
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: the title shot after his last two performances, but it

1147
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 2: honestly seems like a terrible stylistic matchup for him. So

1148
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: if you look at the historically the ways in which

1149
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: Jorge Maswell has had trouble, it's when guys really go

1150
00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: after the takedown.

1151
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: Consider them, and they've done in different ways.

1152
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: Masvidoal when he thought Maya Maya was looking for it,

1153
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: he would get stuffed and then everyone knows. Maya then

1154
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: goes to the sort of like baseball slide to suck

1155
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: you into his guard, and then he gets underneath and

1156
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: then he goes to the back. That's one way, but

1157
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: if you look at some of the other losses that

1158
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 2: he's had when he's constantly having to defend the takedown,

1159
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: he can be offensively muted because he really has to

1160
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: be considered about it. But the truth is hees very

1161
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 2: good takedown defense. Like to say that he doesn't would

1162
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: be very false. It's just that it occupies him to

1163
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: such a degree that the rest of his game can't

1164
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: come to life. It's why people say, Brian, you know,

1165
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: if you had fought Ben Askern and that first knee

1166
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 2: miss is what would have happened? Okay, we'll never know,

1167
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: and saying it seems like you're discrediting Jorge, but I

1168
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 2: actually think you got to be fair to Ben. The

1169
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: math shows us that when you spam him with takedown

1170
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: attempts again, he doesn't get overwhelmed and like crushed, but

1171
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: he just can't come to life.

1172
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 3: It would have been interesting, interesting and your hardhearts.

1173
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 4: Do you have that same feeling about the way, Although

1174
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 4: McGregor ended that had it not been such a sort

1175
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 4: of freak instant occurrence that.

1176
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: Paula al Naji has called Connor McGregor a front runner,

1177
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 2: and I don't think that's fair. But what I do

1178
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 2: think is fair is that every fighter gets tired over

1179
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 2: the fight. Although Max if you look at his output Holloway,

1180
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: it actually goes up.

1181
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: Typically not always. I don't think it's true that McGregor

1182
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: is a front runner.

1183
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: What I do think is true is that he is

1184
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 2: far less the same fighter in round three and even

1185
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: round two than he is in round one. So the

1186
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: question is if somehow Aldo doesn't get knocked out there,

1187
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: would it have been a different fight in rounds two

1188
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 2: and round ThReD. I don't know how you can argue

1189
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: with that, And you could say, well, that's true for

1190
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: every fighter they go down a round two. Yeah, but

1191
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: there's a huge drop off for him. Here's what I

1192
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 2: would say, though, you don't get to answer that question

1193
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 2: because Connor McGregor, and I mean this is a compliment,

1194
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: he might be the best first round fighter. I'm not

1195
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: saying an MMA history, but in the lighterweight divisions, not

1196
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: many guys come out on fire.

1197
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 3: Shane Carwin as brings a bell, Yeah, okay.

1198
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: Fine, but dude, as like, who is their best in

1199
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: round one?

1200
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,959
Speaker 2: Most fighters? Who is their peak in round one? Connor

1201
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 2: McGregor like he is. He is just locked in from

1202
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: the word go. So that's what you get. What you get,

1203
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: all right? Next this is from Jucar or hu car three,

1204
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 2: depending on the derivation of the name. Why at MMA

1205
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: do people always take criticism of something Rogan's commentary as

1206
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: some form of character assassination. I have brought this up

1207
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 2: a million times, and we're gonna get it on this

1208
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: show too. There is no such thing, apparently in MM

1209
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 2: is good faith criticism, which is to say, the only

1210
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 2: reason why people would assume you criticize would be because

1211
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: you're jealous or because you have some kind of personal vendetta,

1212
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: or it can't actually be that like, as a professional

1213
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: doing your job and trying to make an assessment of things.

1214
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: You would do it in a way where like I

1215
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: don't know Joe as a person, I couldn't possibly tell

1216
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 2: you I've met him one time.

1217
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: Literally, I've met Joe one.

1218
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 3: Time, lot shorter than in person than you'd imagine.

1219
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: You have a stocky stockey. But in any event, like

1220
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: I don't.

1221
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 4: Know him, I wasn't taken a shot by bringing up

1222
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 4: his height there. I was just telling you, Yeah.

1223
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: But like, do I know him as a father? I

1224
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: do not. Do I know him as a friend, I

1225
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 1: do not. Brendan Shop speaks highly of him.

1226
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: He could be all the most amazing things, But I

1227
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: thought in terms of his commentary on Saturday Night a

1228
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: UFC two forty, it was poor. He was locked into

1229
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: these old narratives about like takedown stealing rounds, Like dude,

1230
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Brian, there is no way to get Frankie

1231
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 2: Eggar the third round, that fight, first and fourth maybe,

1232
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: but beyond that.

1233
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: Cyb Work's tired when she's was.

1234
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 4: Forced to watch it on a phone because ESPN Plus

1235
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 4: is maddeningly frustrating because I've tried to open on my

1236
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 4: laptop and they're telling me no, you purchased it on

1237
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 4: your phone.

1238
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: But you know what, I have a theory about this

1239
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 2: one when you think about it, and I mean this sincerely.

1240
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: The problem is that MMA, for reasons that remains somewhat

1241
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: unclear to me, it operates on an honor culture. So

1242
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: what's the between honor culture and a dignity culture. A

1243
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 2: dignity culture is I say, Brian, you're a terrible analyst

1244
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: and everyone hates you. It doesn't matter what I say,

1245
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 2: because you inherently have dignity. It's irrelevant, right, especially if

1246
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 2: it's a bad faith criticism. And honor culture is if

1247
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: I say something about you, I have robbed you of

1248
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 2: your honor and now you have to retaliate to get back. Literally,

1249
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 2: it's a backwards way of operating in the world. It's

1250
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: like nineteenth century dueling in the middle of the town square.

1251
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: But that's how m may operate.

1252
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 2: So like advice for anyone who wants to get into

1253
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: MMA media right ready for this. Be prepared for any

1254
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: fighter your criticize is going to hate your guts.

1255
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 3: To Aaron Burrier ass and challenge you. It's the same

1256
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 3: way in boxing.

1257
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's because it's such a people

1258
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 4: wreck so softly because it's a tough, violent sport we

1259
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 4: cover that's based on the idea that, oh you said

1260
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 4: something wrong about me, where we're going to go fight?

1261
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 4: So I feel like people automatically seem to take it there.

1262
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 4: You can't just be the two old guys on the

1263
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 4: Muppet sitting above the.

1264
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 3: Theater deck the theater like we're doing right here.

1265
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, it sucks. I hate it.

1266
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: But it's if you want to cover fight media, if

1267
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: you want to be in fight media, this is what

1268
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: you're going to get. This is why John Jones will

1269
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 2: not answer your questions.

1270
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: So yours? You mean, yeah, just.

1271
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: Answer answer, Yeah, although the last couple you've asked him

1272
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 2: have been I was watching on the live stream being like,

1273
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 2: you're about to join the old Xile Island.

1274
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: You keep going down that path, all right? Next? Okay,

1275
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: Kevin M.

1276
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 2: Dilberto, I'm sure I pronouncing that right, says on a

1277
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 2: potential high end Garcia, Wait, Ryan, Ryan, I can't see

1278
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: I thought I thought it was Gracey. Sorry, I can't

1279
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 2: read on a potential Ryan Garcia versus Gervanta Davis fight

1280
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: Gravante Davis? Does Ryan have the inside boxing skills? To

1281
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: compete with the upper echelon of boxers. They can't give

1282
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 2: him cakes forever.

1283
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: Thanks, Luke. What do you think?

1284
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 4: No, No, Jervonte would would take that boy's soul and

1285
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 4: it would be it would be garc.

1286
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 3: Look. I love Ryan Garcia. He's a fun prospect.

1287
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 4: He's got fast hands, he does a lot of shirtless

1288
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 4: Instagram picks and two million followers.

1289
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 3: Can't be wrong. He's got baby mama trouble. He's pumping

1290
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 3: out kids.

1291
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 4: He takes half of the state of California to their problem.

1292
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 4: I can't you know. I'm sure his dms are very sloppy. No,

1293
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 4: he ain't ready for this type of smoke. No, Dravonte

1294
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 4: would do bad things to him. I hope Ran Garcia can.

1295
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 4: He's so young. Go back in the gym and keep

1296
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 4: working on it. You don't need to come up this quick.

1297
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: All right, let's see, we'll keep going here. This is

1298
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 2: from Liam h J with Davis ko video trending on

1299
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: YouTube and the fact that he is number one search

1300
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 2: currently on Google. Are we looking at a future number

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Speaker 2: one draw in boxing? You know, it's to your point

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Speaker 2: that you made earlier. It's like he's never going to

1303
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: sell himself by being like, I'm Dravonte Davis and I'm

1304
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: the most exciting man, and he's going.

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Speaker 1: To chaill sonning you up.

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00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: He's not gonna but as you indicated earlier, if he

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Speaker 2: gets the right fights and he gets the right wins

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00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: and he gets a reputation is like, dude, when I

1309
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: plunk down my money on this dude, like that run

1310
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 2: when he beat Hatton in Paqiao, you knew if you

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Speaker 2: paid for a Paqiao fight.

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Speaker 1: At least you believe you had a strong reason to

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00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: believe that. Like, dude, I'm going to get my money's

1314
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Speaker 1: worth with this guy. If he can get that kind

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Speaker 1: of rep sky's the limit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if he can get into big fights and knock

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Speaker 4: people out and keep that up. Yeah, Actually, don't really

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00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 4: need to talk. I mean he's got the tattoos, he's

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00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 4: got the look that sort of speaks for itself in

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00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 4: a lot of ways. Can he become the number one

1321
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 4: drawn the sport? Which is essentially saying can he become

1322
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 4: the new Floyd? It's tough. Canelo has replaced Floyd in

1323
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 4: that and he can't talk, but he has Mexico behind him,

1324
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Speaker 4: right right.

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Speaker 1: But I will tek this about.

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Speaker 4: You and I have underestimated Duronte's star potential a couple

1327
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 4: of times on this ride up there, and then you

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00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 4: watch his fights One fight to go in La, the

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00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 4: list of top end a list celebrities over there. What

1330
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 4: was was sort of very interesting in the worlds that

1331
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 4: Dravante's aiming towards the younger culture.

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Speaker 3: They're their form, they know who he is.

1333
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 4: They you know, they want to see him, so it's

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00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 4: really hard to put those ceilings on them. Yeah, I

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00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 4: could see him end up being the face of the

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Speaker 4: sport eventually if he can get the right matchups and

1337
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Speaker 4: do that.

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Speaker 2: It'll be interest to see if you can do that

1339
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: in the middle of heavyweight being super hot. And then also,

1340
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're going to make the Canelo

1341
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: Covi lov fight, but Canelo is I mean dude again,

1342
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 2: Canelo's brand is you just know you're going to get

1343
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: power punching with that guy. And even if the fights

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Speaker 2: go of the distance they did it against Triple G.

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Speaker 4: Well it may It also may come down to how

1346
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 4: high Dravonte can ultimately rise. And wait, no one expected

1347
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 4: Pakiya when he's running through junior featherweight, featherweight lightweight, all

1348
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 4: that that he was going to go up to forty seven,

1349
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 4: have that kind of power, get those kind of wins,

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00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 4: fight every possible name.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying Jervonte can't become the.

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00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 4: Number one the sport if he never makes it to

1353
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 4: one forty one forty seven, but it would certainly help.

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00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 3: That's where the real money.

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Speaker 1: Is, all right, I believe that is it for the question.

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Speaker 2: So let's do odds and ends here, Brian Campbell, what

1357
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 2: on the odds and what's one thing, maybe two things

1358
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 2: we didn't mention from over the weekend that is worth

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00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 2: telling the audience about.

1360
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Speaker 4: I'm kind of pointing forward to next weekend coming up

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Speaker 4: here on Saturday on Fox and Brooklyn.

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Speaker 3: Interesting heavyweight fight.

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Speaker 4: Unbeaten Polish heavyweight Adam Kovnatchki going in there against Chris Ariel.

1364
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Speaker 4: We've seen ariol A ton. He's thirty eight years old.

1365
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 4: He says, if I lose this fight, I'm going to retire.

1366
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 4: It's going to be an interesting slot fest from that regard.

1367
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 4: But what's interesting about it is Covenatchi's confidence. He's unbeaten,

1368
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 4: he wants Deontay Wilder very badly, and his way of

1369
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 4: getting him because he can't get it with his mouth

1370
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 4: every time he open is Now he's on this run

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Speaker 4: of beating the opponents. Wild there's already beaten, but knocking

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Speaker 4: them out quicker.

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Speaker 3: He's a guy.

1374
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 4: You look at him, bald, pudgy, dad, bod and all

1375
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 4: that doesn't look like a ton.

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00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 3: But he's got a big audience behind him.

1377
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 4: He can fight, and he thinks he has the one

1378
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 4: key to beat Wilder, which is he fights well on

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00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 4: the inside. And you don't see a ton of heavyweights

1380
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 4: historically fight well on the inside currently not in this era.

1381
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 4: You got a slick boxer Entyson Fury, you got some

1382
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 4: punchers and Wilder and Joshua but Kovnatski very comfortable on

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00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 4: the inside, pressure and getting up in there. I thought

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00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 4: it was laughable the first time he called out Wilder,

1385
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 4: But having talked to him, having seen him be an

1386
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 4: interesting fight.

1387
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Speaker 2: I would say this on the weird end of things.

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00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 2: Will Brooks took it and tried. If you look at

1389
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: what he said on Twitter, he was like, ah, you know,

1390
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,479
Speaker 2: if I do what I do, then this doesn't happen.

1391
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 2: Which you know, these fighters, they are so accountable to

1392
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 2: themselves in ways they're over accountable, right, they're actually don't

1393
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 2: blame others when others need to be blamed.

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Speaker 1: There was a show, a brave show.

1395
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what the number was, but shouts to

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00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: the body Lock Mma, which is a something of a

1397
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: smaller site, but on the co up to doing some

1398
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Speaker 2: great reporting they had reported.

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Speaker 1: That number of things.

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Speaker 2: One was that one not affiliated with water code as

1401
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 2: a signatory and incapacity whatsoever. But two related to this

1402
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 2: event with World Brooks. He gets up against Gleson Teebaut

1403
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 2: by the way, teabout filling in for able Trajedro in

1404
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 2: the last minute, so he gets guillotined against the fence.

1405
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 2: The choke is not all the way in. It's a

1406
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 2: standing guillotine. Now you see the hands of Brooks go

1407
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 2: limp for just a second and the referee just kind

1408
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: of grabs it, and as soon as he does, you

1409
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 2: see muscular tension on the part of Brooks, like it's

1410
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: not like it's flopping down like it did against a

1411
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 2: little bit of Robbie Lawler against Ben Askron, and he

1412
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 2: stops the fight. Turns out that there was a completely

1413
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 2: different according to the body Lock Mma, a completely different

1414
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: officiating crew that was supposed to be there last minute,

1415
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: they get win that may there may not be any

1416
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 2: payments for this. They pull out the referee, they get

1417
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: as the guy on twenty four hours notice, who clearly

1418
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: this was well above his pay grade. And not only

1419
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 2: do the referees apparently not get paid, but some of

1420
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 2: the fighters, if not all the fighters, didn't get paid.

1421
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: So go to the bodylock mma for more information about that.

1422
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 2: But I saw people defending it, being like, his arms

1423
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: went limp. I'm like, folks, your arms go limp for

1424
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 2: many reasons. One of them with those reasons could be

1425
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: that you went out, but there could be many other

1426
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: reasons why they go. It could be strategic, could be inadvertent.

1427
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: You have to actually inspect what happens to better understand

1428
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: if you just grab and then stop, and then the

1429
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 2: guy by by the way when you're grabbing is giving

1430
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 2: you muscular tension, Maybe let it go another second. Oh,

1431
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 2: by the way, the choke wasn't in all the way. No,

1432
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 2: not a defensible stoppage, not even a defensible stoppage a

1433
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 2: little bit.

1434
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: That was a terrible one.

1435
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 2: So whenever I see people being like, oh, the arm

1436
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 2: went limp, my next question is okay, and now what Yeah,

1437
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 2: it means it means several different things. You have to

1438
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 2: go to second third level inspection to figure out what.

1439
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 4: Quick and will Brooks, by way take it's a hard

1440
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 4: fall since making this UFC debut, but real quick, did

1441
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 4: you like the Jervonte Davis stoppage against Ricardo Nunez?

1442
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: I thought they could have gone a little longer.

1443
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 3: I would talk to Paul and Melanagian show time afterward.

1444
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: It Yeah, I liked it.

1445
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 4: She made a note on the broadcast, like a lot

1446
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 4: of people are saying, we've had the two in ring

1447
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 4: depths deaths over the last week and a half Maryland.

1448
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 4: In the first one Maxim Dadaschev in Maryland, and I

1449
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 4: think when I watched those replays, I saw a guy

1450
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 4: getting held up by the ropes twice. So for Harvey,

1451
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 4: doctor jump in without account, I think he was saving

1452
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 4: him from further combat. I know people are saying, well, look,

1453
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 4: you gott at leat give him that ten count. Let's

1454
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 4: see what happened. It's still early in the fight.

1455
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 3: He was getting hit flush. I had no problem.

1456
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 2: I would say that it was a defensible stoppage, but

1457
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have you know, look in the greater context,

1458
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 2: these referees, they were like a guy died here last week.

1459
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: Let's maybe not have that happen back to back, but

1460
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 2: at the same time in.

1461
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: The perfect world, maybe a little bit longer. I don't know.

1462
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 4: Quickly, I mentioned earlier Jose Ramirez had that uh like

1463
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 4: Junior Waltz weight unificacation about with Mary Sooker in Dallas.

1464
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 4: And the reason why this was fun and key you

1465
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 4: had two major promoters working together, Bob Aarham of Toprank,

1466
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 4: who has the ESPN deal, bringing Ramirez to Dezone to

1467
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 4: fight Hooker. And then the trade that they get off

1468
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 4: is We're going to see Luke Campbell against Vasili Limachenko

1469
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 4: in England on ESPNS. So this is a not a

1470
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 4: new trend. It's an old trend. It's how boxing used

1471
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 4: to work. But to see networks and promoters working together

1472
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 4: for anything Butta Mayweather Pacio, it's kind of encouraging.

1473
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: All right, Well, that's up. That's it for us this week.

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Speaker 1: For more, Brian C.

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00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 2: Campbell on Instagram, I am Luke Thomas News on Instagram.

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