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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we

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Speaker 1: roll through the Tuesday edition of the program. Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: by the way, a little bit of news, going to

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Speaker 1: address the nation at three thirty Eastern, right after we

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Speaker 1: go off the air on the latest on Ukraine. I

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Speaker 1: know it's probably not in any way related to us. Buck.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't it seem like our show ends and Biden talks

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Speaker 1: a lot right at three thirty? I mean, maybe he's listening,

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Speaker 1: maybe he wants to learn something that could be true,

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Speaker 1: could be true. Welcome into all the Democrats and the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration who pressure we do sometimes well, the Biden

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Speaker 1: versus I would say this, you and I together could

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Speaker 1: not have done any worse as joint presidents than Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden has done as solo president. He works Clay. They'd

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Speaker 1: already be making statues of Clay and Buck all over

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Speaker 1: the country. We'd certainly thinking and mister McGoo, speaking of statues,

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Speaker 1: and a guy who's certainly would not have done worse,

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Speaker 1: we are going to be down at Mara Lago on

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Speaker 1: this day a week from today, and we will be

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Speaker 1: broadcasting live with President Trump from Mara Lago. So February

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Speaker 1: twenty second, exactly one week from today, we will be

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Speaker 1: down at at mar Lago. President Trump will be on

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Speaker 1: with us quite a bit during the course of that program,

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Speaker 1: doing the show live from there. So that is something

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Speaker 1: for you to kind of put on the calendar, to

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Speaker 1: put a little notation one week from today. We'll continue

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Speaker 1: to mention it as we get closer to that, but

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Speaker 1: should be a really fun program for us. On the

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Speaker 1: day after President's Day, one week from today, February twenty second,

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Speaker 1: we will be live broadcasting from Mara Lago for the

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Speaker 1: whole show. It's gonna be fantastic, folks, dude in, we

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Speaker 1: gonna have a lot to talk about, tell so much

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Speaker 1: to get into, and a couple of things we want

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Speaker 1: to get into with you. Will play the aoc ridiculousness

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Speaker 1: on crime in a moment. But Buck, I saw this

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Speaker 1: data come out yesterday. Our friend Phil Kirpin shared this.

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Speaker 1: It's a civics. It's a poll that came out from

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Speaker 1: civiq s. I'm not sure exactly that brand, but they

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Speaker 1: did a really good, dive in on all fifty states?

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Speaker 1: What is Joe Biden's approval rate in all fifty states?

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Speaker 1: And the spoiler alert not good? All right? Only four

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Speaker 1: states does Joe Biden have a positive approval rate right now? Hawaii, Maryland,

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Speaker 1: and I gotta be honest with you, what what are you?

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Speaker 1: I know Maryland does crab cakes in football, but what

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Speaker 1: I mean, how are they promotball and Joe Biden? Right? Like?

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Speaker 1: What how are they? By the way, it's forty five

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Speaker 1: forty three there? Massachusetts doesn't really I mean, you could

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Speaker 1: have any Democrat president on the planet in Massachusetts and

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Speaker 1: he would have a positive rating, right, I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: virtually impossible. Vermont similarly not. I mean you elect a

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Speaker 1: socialist Bernie Sanders. It's not a surprise Massachusetts and Vermont.

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Speaker 1: Hawaii's kind of a wacky place. I don't even know

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Speaker 1: continental United States there, But Maryland was the one that

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Speaker 1: to hit you with. Buck. First of all, did you

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Speaker 1: see this, what is Joe Biden's approval rating? Buck? In

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Speaker 1: West Virginia? Oh, it's it's sub twenty for sure, seventeen

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Speaker 1: about that. But Buck, what stood out to me so

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Speaker 1: much was what are the numbers in the quote unquote

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Speaker 1: Arizona thirty two percent approval rating right now for Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: right now thirty seven percent approval, fifty five percent disapproval

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Speaker 1: if we were having a presidential election right now, Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden wouldn't just lose, he would get slacked, a slacking

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Speaker 1: the likes of which we have not seen in this country,

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Speaker 1: maybe going all the way back to like nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's how bad of a beatdown Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: Some of them are coming back and they are welcome.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to team rationality, right, team sanity, They're welcome. There's

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Speaker 1: one to thirty percent of the country that, unfortunately MSNBC

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Speaker 1: and The New York Times have burrowed so far, the

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Speaker 1: wokeness has burrowed so deep in their brains that unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: I think we're just gonna have to prevent them from

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Speaker 1: being in power because they would ruin the country for

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Speaker 1: reality that is reflected in the polling that shows that

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Speaker 1: people see that Joe Biden is just really bad at this,

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Speaker 1: Like this was never a good idea. It was never

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Speaker 1: a responsible thing to make him the president. It was

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Speaker 1: never the unity and normalcy that they promised. It was

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Speaker 1: all just a big fraud during a once in a

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Speaker 1: century pandemic. And we've talked about that so many times.

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Speaker 1: But Clay, this brings us to and I've touched I've

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Speaker 1: talked to a few people, and I've always start talking

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Speaker 1: the show in the media world and they'll say, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Clay's idea about Hillary is crazy. I

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's beyond the First of all, here's

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Speaker 1: what we do know for sure. Is Hillary Clinton among

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Speaker 1: the most power hungry human beings you could ever point

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Speaker 1: to in modern American history. Therefore, she would jump at

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to run again, Absolutely right. I don't think

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Speaker 1: less crazy. That's also the why the Hillary spying story

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Speaker 1: get popularity on social media but don't necessarily resonate anywhere else. Remember,

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Speaker 1: only one in fifty people ever comments on social media,

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Speaker 1: meaning like Twitter, where the media spends all its time.

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Speaker 1: I should have specified Twitter. But listen to this, but

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris is a disaster. Start Joe Biden can't run

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden has no chance. I really don't think that

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Speaker 1: the Democrats believe that Kamal is a disaster, but it

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Speaker 1: would be racist in sexist not to put her forward.

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Speaker 1: Mayor Pete is probably the next guy, but I can't

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Speaker 1: It's as if nobody will actually analyze it. Mayor Pete,

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Speaker 1: awful homophobic people, and there are actually Democrats that are

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Speaker 1: All right. I don't believe klobaschar I don't buy it.

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Speaker 1: Let me say this, it's for something other than like murder, right,

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Speaker 1: Durham spying allegation so much more significant. But now, what

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, are looking at this very very closely, Senator.

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Speaker 1: The Durham Report is eventually going to come out. In

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Speaker 1: This doesn't just have echoes at Watergate. It's much greater concern.

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Speaker 1: It's a direct attack on our democracy. In the liberal

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Speaker 1: Senator Haggerty, shake the time. We'll see you again soon

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Speaker 1: and appreciate you fighting the battles you are every single day. Clay,

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Speaker 1: We have been talking to you a lot about the

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Speaker 1: realities of crime in big cities all across America and

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Speaker 1: how it's getting worse getting worse, from the low level streets,

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Speaker 1: the crimes of vagrancy, the quality of life issues all

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Speaker 1: the way up to murder, to shootings and rapes and

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Speaker 1: other of the most serious crimes out there. True in

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Speaker 1: New York, Portland, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Houston. Find me

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Speaker 1: a major city and chances are I'll show you a

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Speaker 1: major increase in crime in the last eighteen months. Number

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Speaker 1: of factors, but a lot of it ties directly to

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Speaker 1: not just the BLM movement, but Democrat policy decisions and prosecutors' offices.

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Speaker 1: So here's just an example we're talking about in New

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Speaker 1: York City. It's a horrific crime. A woman was stabbed

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Speaker 1: at death on the Lower East Side earlier this or

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Speaker 1: rather on Sunday morning. A man followed this woman to

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Speaker 1: her home and stabbed over forty times and killed her

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Speaker 1: when he forced his way into her apartment a low

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Speaker 1: reast side right here in Manhattan. And he was out

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Speaker 1: on supervised release on three open cases, including one where

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Speaker 1: he randomly punched a stranger on the subway. He also

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Speaker 1: has such an extensive record of crimes in New Jersey

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Speaker 1: that they didn't even list them in the reporting about it.

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Speaker 1: But he's out of supervised release stab woman to death.

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Speaker 1: Maybe this is a guy that shouldn't have been out obviously,

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Speaker 1: on supervised release, but we have soft on crime policies. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: in crazy Land, you have people like Alexandria Ocazio Cortez

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Speaker 1: spewing nonsense about how people that want to be tough

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Speaker 1: on crime they want to stop people from getting the

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Speaker 1: baby formula they need. Because you got to hear this

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Speaker 1: to believe it, because we run away from substantive discussions

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Speaker 1: about this. We don't want to say some of the

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Speaker 1: things that are that are obvious, like gee, the child

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Speaker 1: tax credit just ran out on December thirty first, and

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Speaker 1: now people are stealing baby formula. We don't want to

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Speaker 1: have that discussion. We want to say, these people are criminals,

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Speaker 1: and we want to talk about people that are violent

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Speaker 1: instead of environments of violence, and what we are doing

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Speaker 1: to either contribute or to dismantle that. This is the

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Speaker 1: fundamental fallacy. You're hearing it from someone who is not

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Speaker 1: very smart but is very powerful in the Democrat Party.

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Speaker 1: The fallacy Clay, of course, is that we shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: enforcing crimes against individuals more strictly, or just enforcing them

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Speaker 1: at all, because society is the one that commits the crime,

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Speaker 1: and the notion of stealing baby formula I've seen a

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Speaker 1: lot of videos of people stealing Louis Vuton bags at

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Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars a pop. Haven't seen a lot of

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Speaker 1: baby formula theft. Well, And this is where all sane

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Speaker 1: people need to start pushing back in a real way.

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Speaker 1: And I mean saying people white, Black, Asian, Hispanic, because

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Speaker 1: the numbers reflect that the overwhelming majority of the American

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Speaker 1: population believes that police have to be able to do

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Speaker 1: their jobs. And when you are allowing mass thievery to occur,

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Speaker 1: and when you are allowing and buck I mean, I

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Speaker 1: just that story out of New York. I mean that

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Speaker 1: guy followed her up six flights of stairs and stabbed

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Speaker 1: her to death. Should have never been on the street, right,

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Speaker 1: And what we are seeing happening, by the way, that's

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Speaker 1: not an outlier story, right, That's not something that rarely happens.

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Speaker 1: Because the murder rate is skyrocketing. Every city in America

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Speaker 1: right now, there is a story like that. Everyone who

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Speaker 1: was listening to us right now, whatever city you are in,

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Speaker 1: there is somebody who's one hundred percent innocent that's been

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Speaker 1: brutally murdered by someone who should have never been on

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Speaker 1: the streets. If we were actually enforcing our laws. That

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Speaker 1: is the critical point. These are people overwhelmingly when we

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Speaker 1: find out about these heinous crimes that are happening, these

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Speaker 1: murders as they're going on in the city, not first

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Speaker 1: time offenders. Trade's got rap sheets, you know that look

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Speaker 1: like a telephone book. And time and again a prosecutor

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Speaker 1: comes along and says, oh, budd, you know this person

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Speaker 1: at a tough home life for Oh, but we want

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Speaker 1: to be more social justice focused or whatever the case

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Speaker 1: may be, or we need to balance out the numbers

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Speaker 1: of who's in prison and for what reason. So let's

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Speaker 1: all of that. All those decisions which come from a

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Speaker 1: left wing mindset in this country result in more dead people,

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Speaker 1: and disproportionately, if we're going to talk about proportions, more

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Speaker 1: dead young minority men. That's what's actually happening as a

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Speaker 1: result of these progressive prosecutor policies and all the rest

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Speaker 1: of the madness. All right, Online identity theft protection. It's

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Speaker 1: not a crime that you see on television shows, folks.

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Speaker 1: There's rarely a bad guy shown pulled warmer's computer and handcuffs.

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Speaker 1: A silent crime conducted by cyber hackers who know how

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Speaker 1: to deposit malware on your iPhone or Android. I just

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Speaker 1: got one of these sent to me a week ago.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you they're really sophisticated. You click on something,

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Speaker 1: you put in your credentials and boom, they have stolen

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Speaker 1: your identity. It is so easy for this to happen.

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Speaker 1: LifeLock or go to LifeLock dot com. Welcome back in

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We are rolling through the

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Speaker 1: Tuesday edition of the program and we are joined now

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Speaker 1: by Michelle Tafoya, formerly of NBC Sports who was on

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Speaker 1: the sideline for the game between the Rams and the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: It was a thrilling one. Michelle, does it feel strange

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Speaker 1: for me to say, for you, formerly of NBC Sports,

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Speaker 1: welcome in and just let everybody here our biggest radio

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Speaker 1: show in the country. We're excited to have you. Let

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Speaker 1: us know where you're heading. Oh gosh, Well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: it is a little weird. Thanks for having me to

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Speaker 1: be called former because it was such a long stretch

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Speaker 1: of my life that I've spent doing this. But you

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Speaker 1: know what, I'm so excited. I am truly eager to

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Speaker 1: get out and on with the other parts of my

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Speaker 1: life that are so important to me. You know. Part

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Speaker 1: of that is I joined Kendall Quall's gubernatorial campaign in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: He's a Republican running for office. We don't agree on everything.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I agree with anyone on everything. Amen,

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Speaker 1: But you know, but you can find your differences, but

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Speaker 1: find your commonalities and move forward. And that's who I'm supporting.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna help him win, and you know, doing

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Speaker 1: a lot of other things. I'm speaking at Seapack next week,

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Speaker 1: and just a lot of irons in the fire. As

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Speaker 1: we speak that are going to result in something fun,

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Speaker 1: meaningful and helps you know, guy might might. Something's been

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Speaker 1: tugging at my like my soul and my gut for

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Speaker 1: several years now that it's time to give back. Life

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Speaker 1: has given me a lot, and I've earned a lot

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Speaker 1: of it, but life has given me great opportunities. I

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Speaker 1: want to I want to spend some time now leaving

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Speaker 1: this place better than I found it. Michelle, it's buck.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a big pro sports follower, um well the same,

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Speaker 1: so I can't speak to that much of it, but

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Speaker 1: I do. I do basically live twenty four seven in

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Speaker 1: the matrix of the news cycle. And there's been obviously

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Speaker 1: a lot of sports stories, particularly in the last few years.

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Speaker 1: I'd say that have just become national level news, and

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Speaker 1: I mean political sports stories. Not you know, who won

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, but who's taking a knee, who's having

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Speaker 1: you know, who's putting their hoods up, you know, their

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Speaker 1: hoodies up on the floor of an NBA game, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: And you know, one thing I've learned from Clay, because

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Speaker 1: he comes from the sports world, I come from the

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Speaker 1: politics world. As that he says, and I what do

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Speaker 1: you said this to me. I kind of look skyward.

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Speaker 1: I said, I don't even know how this is possible,

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Speaker 1: but that the sports media may have gone further left

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Speaker 1: and more woke than even the national political media. How

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Speaker 1: did that happen? Like, why did this happen? And you've

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Speaker 1: been you've been in the game for a while. What

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Speaker 1: caused this to occur? I cannot tell you what caused it.

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Speaker 1: I have some furies. Here's what I think, though I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure that's entirely true. I think that ESPN has

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Speaker 1: definitely gone leftward and lurched quite a ways, and I

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Speaker 1: think that they paid a price for that, and I

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Speaker 1: think they are trying to take some sort of course

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Speaker 1: correction and try to come back into the middle. But listen,

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Speaker 1: the biggest issues in the last few years have been

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Speaker 1: things like Black Lives Matter and George Floyd and and

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Speaker 1: black Lives Matter speaks to a lot of people of color,

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Speaker 1: and you've got a lot of people of color playing

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Speaker 1: in professional sports, so they rightly watch express themselves. And

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Speaker 1: I think one of the mistakes that the NFL made

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Speaker 1: was that when they first started kneeling, they told them

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Speaker 1: to stop. Just let them do what they want to

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Speaker 1: do and express themselves. Now, I know you're a private league,

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Speaker 1: and I know you have rules, but I think that

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Speaker 1: organically this thing would have figured itself out in some

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Speaker 1: way because you had best friends on teams that disagreed

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Speaker 1: on the topic, and you would see one guy kneeling

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Speaker 1: and his best friend standing next to him with a

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Speaker 1: hand on his shoulder. I'm talking about Derek Carr, who

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Speaker 1: would stand next to guys that were behind you know,

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Speaker 1: we're risk, Black Lives Matter, and they would kneel and

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Speaker 1: he would stand with his hand on their shoulders. He

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Speaker 1: still would listen to the anthem you have one hand

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Speaker 1: on his heart the other guy's shoulders. This thing would

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Speaker 1: have handled itself and kind of resolved itself or moved

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Speaker 1: on organically without the league taking a hard stance, And

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Speaker 1: I think that that just spurred it on even more. Michelle.

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Speaker 1: You I was out in LA for the week. I

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Speaker 1: left before the game. You were on the sideline we

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Speaker 1: opened yesterday show saying whatever your feelings are on COVID

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Speaker 1: to have in LA. Basically seventy thousand people, including virtually

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Speaker 1: every celebrity that they showed on the broadcast not wearing

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Speaker 1: a mask. So then the next morning, have to wake

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Speaker 1: up on Monday and send your kids into school with masks?

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Speaker 1: Is that incongruity noticeable to you? Did you think about

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Speaker 1: it at all as you were on the sideline for

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Speaker 1: the game? You know, not during the game, because my

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Speaker 1: focus was elsewhere. But my brother went to the game

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Speaker 1: and his wife and he had been to a game

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Speaker 1: at SO five a few weeks back. He had to

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Speaker 1: show his vaccination card in order to get in. This time,

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Speaker 1: did not have to show a vaccination card to get in.

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Speaker 1: No one told him to put a mask on. He

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Speaker 1: wasn't going to put one on anyway. I guess if

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Speaker 1: they had held a gun to his head, maybe, But

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it is so rich with hypocrisy,

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Speaker 1: And why our kids are the last line of mask

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Speaker 1: wearing is absolutely beyond my comprehension. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: they won't let this go. We've got science to show

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Speaker 1: us the kids are the least vulnerable most kids, the

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Speaker 1: vast majority of kids. And if we're going to sit

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Speaker 1: around and try to come up with zero risk policies

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Speaker 1: for danger in school, we're going to be doing stuff

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Speaker 1: and handcuffing, you know, putting on these policies, these strict

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Speaker 1: policies in all kinds of ways. I can tell you

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Speaker 1: that at my own kids school, they were they stopped

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Speaker 1: being allowed to climb on certain monkey bars because someone

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Speaker 1: hurt their risks. They stopped being allowed to play football

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Speaker 1: at halftime because someone got hurt. You know, they weren't

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Speaker 1: hurt and sent to the hospital. They were just hurt.

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Speaker 1: So you keep putting up these, you know, ways to

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Speaker 1: bubble wrap our kids. And in this case, yes, I

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Speaker 1: understand that it's a pandemic, but we've got the data now,

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Speaker 1: we have the science that everyone claims we should be

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Speaker 1: directing our decisions, and yet they just won't let this

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Speaker 1: go with the kids in school, And I'm baffled and

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Speaker 1: I'm angry. Michelle Tafoya with us right now. Michelle, as

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Speaker 1: I understand it, you guest hosted on the View, wondering

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Speaker 1: how that how that was is an experience, And if

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Speaker 1: you could find out where I am on the shortlist

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Speaker 1: to maybe guest host at some point, because I feel

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Speaker 1: like those ladies and I would have a lot to

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Speaker 1: talk about. I think you would. I think I think

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Speaker 1: you should volunteer yourself. If you're not on that shortlist

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Speaker 1: they ought to get to know you. It was a

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Speaker 1: really interesting experience that taught me a lot about myself

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Speaker 1: and my ability to stand up for the things that

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Speaker 1: I believe in. Look, you're you're talking with four women

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Speaker 1: who really don't share your opinion if you're a concert

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Speaker 1: of it is, and not only that, the entire audiences

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Speaker 1: with them. So you're on a little island there. And

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Speaker 1: it's not that they're Yeah, I don't want to make

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Speaker 1: it sound like they're bullying or attacking or but your

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00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: opinions are very much your own and so you've got

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Speaker 1: to be ready for that. And honestly, that's what's been

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Speaker 1: pulling me to make a move in my career is

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Speaker 1: that I have too many friends who are quote unquote

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Speaker 1: a phrase or scared to talk about their beliefs and

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Speaker 1: their values because of what what risks they're taking. This

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Speaker 1: is amazing to me that I've got friends who are

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Speaker 1: scared to say things or post things on Facebook for

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Speaker 1: fear of the repercussions. That ain't as I think that's

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Speaker 1: the vast majority of Americans right now, Michelle, and I

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Speaker 1: think you will find as Buck and I have found

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Speaker 1: the number one thing that people say to me, irrespective

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Speaker 1: of all the opinions we share, is I'm so glad

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00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: I listen into your show because you guys have conversations

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00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: and say things that I'm afraid to actually attach my

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Speaker 1: name to. And yeah, I just I mean, how terrifying

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Speaker 1: is that in America where many people feel like that.

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Speaker 1: I think the vast majority, whether you're white, Black, Asian, Hispanic, Democrat, Republican, Independent,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a stultifying fear that has taken over,

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Speaker 1: much of it connected to social media. That's where it's

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Speaker 1: got to be up to people like us. I don't

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Speaker 1: mean to sound dramatic about this, but I'm tired of

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Speaker 1: being scared and seeing people scared. This is not a

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Speaker 1: way to live, and this is not a way to

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Speaker 1: have a civil society and a free society. This ain't

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Speaker 1: it being scared of backlash on social media, This is

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Speaker 1: not it. So I'm kind of like on this crusade

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Speaker 1: to cut through the fear and let people know they

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Speaker 1: have an ally and I'm just not afraid anymore. I've

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Speaker 1: been through the ringer on Twitter and Instagram and all

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Speaker 1: the rest, and I lived to talk about it. And

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Speaker 1: you know what, there are a lot worse things in

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Speaker 1: life than some stranger hating you. So if some stranger

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Speaker 1: on Twitter wants to, you know, put me through a

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Speaker 1: written beat down, they can do that that I can

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Speaker 1: choose to let that affect me, or I can choose

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Speaker 1: to say whatever. I don't know that person. Sometimes when

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00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: you do know the person, it's a little startling because

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00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: you find out your values are much different than you thought.

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Speaker 1: So that's where I understand it gets dicey. But um,

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Speaker 1: but we've got to have these conversations. And if people

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Speaker 1: are afraid to have them, then guys like you, people

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Speaker 1: like me, we've got to have them for them, like

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Speaker 1: on their behalf. You know, Michelle, It's may come as

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Speaker 1: a shock to our listeners, but turns out there are

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Speaker 1: some random strangers on the internet who like neither me

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Speaker 1: nor Clay. We still like, how is this possible? Were

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Speaker 1: some stun nice fellows? And what's with all the all

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Speaker 1: caps and the words I can't read on the radio.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, Michelle Defoya, where your folks go to follow

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Speaker 1: your work or what you're up to next? Follow on Twitter?

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Speaker 1: I know I'm not on social media for that reason. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm off of it for now. And I'm on LinkedIn.

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Speaker 1: That's where you can find me, just because that's kind

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Speaker 1: of the least abrasive place I've found to post. People

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Speaker 1: are polite on LinkedIn. You know. It's kind of like

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Speaker 1: you feel like the HR Department is watching you when

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Speaker 1: you're writing on LinkedIn, so it's a little different, so

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Speaker 1: you know, but you know what that's That's okay, And

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Speaker 1: I've had some pushback, but for the most part, that's

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Speaker 1: where you can find me, at least for now. We'll

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Speaker 1: see if that changes. I don't know, all right, Michelle Dafoya. Michelle,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us on Clambach. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: keywords gold IRA. Welcome back into the Clay Travis and

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Speaker 1: Sex and Show. We're going to talk about crime in

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Speaker 1: a few moments, but first a Canadian trucker showdown the

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Speaker 1: Freedom Convoy versus Justin Trudeau. If somebody who really understands

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Speaker 1: exactly what's going on with this the political dynamics, the

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Speaker 1: national level dynamics for Canada. Jordan Peterson is with us now.

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Speaker 1: He is a clinical psychologist, author, podcaster, and we are

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Speaker 1: very pleased that he's joining us. Jordan, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for calling in, Thanks for the invitation. What do

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Speaker 1: you see happening right now, Jordan? What does this mean

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Speaker 1: when the Trudeau regime invokes the Emergencies Act because of

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Speaker 1: the trucker convoy in Ottawa? And how do you see

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Speaker 1: this playing out? Well? Even the Toronto Star today, the

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Speaker 1: editorial board of the Toronto Star, which is a newspaper

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Speaker 1: as close to a government mouthpiece as can possibly be imagined,

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Speaker 1: came out and stated fourth rightly today that this showed

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Speaker 1: a complete breakdown of leadership and that was a catastrophic error.

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Speaker 1: So I think the net result will likely be the

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Speaker 1: cessation of the Trudeau government, That's my guess. I've talked

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Speaker 1: to the truckers to some degree this morning, and nothing

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Speaker 1: has really changed on the ground for them in Ottawa.

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Speaker 1: There's no evidence of more intense enforcement of the hypothetical

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Speaker 1: laws that now governed Canada. So I think that our

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister, in his juvenile manner, has made a fatal error. Georgia,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on with us. I'm curious what

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Speaker 1: you feel because you travel quite a lot and historically

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Speaker 1: Americans would think of Canada as being a more laid back,

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Speaker 1: easygoing version of America right where everybody's pretty compatible. And

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Speaker 1: this idea of the division that we are seeing right

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Speaker 1: now is frankly kind of staggering for you as a Canadian.

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Speaker 1: Is it also kind of crazy to you? Because I

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Speaker 1: know you've been back and forth to the United States

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Speaker 1: more to see the United States as a more normal,

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Speaker 1: easygoing country. I mean, even New York and California, which

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Speaker 1: are very restrictive, seemed pretty open. I would imagine two Canadians,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? How did Canada get here? Well, the

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Speaker 1: Canadian founding principles are peace, order and good governments rather

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Speaker 1: than right to life, liberty and happiness, and so our

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Speaker 1: country has always been predicated on a kind of moderate stability,

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Speaker 1: and for decades, for generations, it was perfectly reasonable for

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Speaker 1: Canadians to be trusting of their fundamental institutions, educational institutions,

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Speaker 1: media institutions, provincial government to municipal government, federal government. Everything

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Speaker 1: was reliable and worked moderately too extremely well, and so

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Speaker 1: Canadians could be justified in their trust of all those systems.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of that has been turned on its

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Speaker 1: head in the last few years to a degree that

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Speaker 1: while it's almost unimaginable, especially perhaps as a consequence of

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Speaker 1: media collusion with the government and the inability of ordinary

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Speaker 1: people to obtain accurate information from once reliable news sources.

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Speaker 1: I think everyone in Canada is in an utter shock

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Speaker 1: at all of this, and Canadians are being called upon

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Speaker 1: to make a decision which is either their fundamental governing

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00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: institutions have become in some sense frighteningly unreliable, or there's

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Speaker 1: something wrong with the truckers. And it's easy for many

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Speaker 1: of the many Canadians to believe the latter, but unfortunately

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Speaker 1: the truth of the matter is is that the former

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Speaker 1: is true. Now I'm hoping that peaceful heads and wisdom

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Speaker 1: will prevail and that this will be handled in a

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Speaker 1: typically Canadian way, which is that through and things will

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Speaker 1: return to something approximately normal. But yeah, it's it's unprecedented

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Speaker 1: times in Canada. A degree division in the country is

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Speaker 1: it's higher, I would say, even than during the separatist

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Speaker 1: crisis of the last few decades. Jordan Peterson, author, podcaster

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Speaker 1: and psychologists. Many of you sho are certainly familiar with

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Speaker 1: his books and his work in the past, Jordan, do

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Speaker 1: you think that there is a high probability that Trudeau

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Speaker 1: at some point is going to just rely on the

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Speaker 1: brute force of sending in law enforcement to remove these protesters,

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Speaker 1: including violently, And do you think that they will go

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Speaker 1: through with that? Well, that's the real estian. It isn't

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Speaker 1: obvious to me that he actually has enough control that

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Speaker 1: the city of Ottawa tried to get the tow truckers

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Speaker 1: to tow the rigs out of auto believe they already.

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Speaker 1: Trudeau said yesterday he could compel ordinary citizens such people

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Speaker 1: who drives, to comply with his now draconian legislation. But

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Speaker 1: it isn't obvious to me that he understands who he's

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Speaker 1: dealing with. The people who do that sort of job

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Speaker 1: aren't easily pushed around, Like seriously, they're not easily pushed around.

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Speaker 1: And I'm accustomed to dealing with people who will bend

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Speaker 1: a knee. Let's says to me at all that the police,

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Speaker 1: the military, the tow truckers, the people who would have

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Speaker 1: to put boots on the ground to stop this are

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Speaker 1: going to be willing to use that kind of force.

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Speaker 1: We'll see, but I don't think it's probable, and even

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Speaker 1: if that does happen, the optics are going to be

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Speaker 1: terrible because the people in Ottawa, the truckers, are by

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Speaker 1: and large decent, hard working, committed citizens who've been pushed

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Speaker 1: beyond their capacity to tolerate these invasive mandates, which have

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Speaker 1: been described as illegal by one of the drafters of

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Speaker 1: our Charter of Rights, the only living signatory to the

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Speaker 1: Charter of Rights. It isn't obvious to be true or

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Speaker 1: has the upper hand? Do really believe the most likely

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Speaker 1: outcome is that his government will fall? That's what I

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Speaker 1: wanted to follow up on because you told us that,

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Speaker 1: and I think the answer to your to our first question.

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Speaker 1: We're talking with Jordan Peterson about the situation that is

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Speaker 1: going on right now in Canada. You said that you

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Speaker 1: think the most likely outcome is that Justin Trudeau's government

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Speaker 1: is going to fall. What would that look like for

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Speaker 1: Americans who are listening to you right now, What would

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Speaker 1: that process look like and how would it happen in

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Speaker 1: the event that you are correct in Justin Trudeau's government

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Speaker 1: does sort of fall, well, he would lose a non vote,

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Speaker 1: he would lose a vote of confidence that in the Parliament,

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Speaker 1: So right now with the NDP, which is the Socialist

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Speaker 1: party in Canada, he has a majority of the let's

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Speaker 1: say equivalent to the representatives of the American system supporting

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Speaker 1: his government, constituting his government. But if enough of his

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Speaker 1: of the representatives that make up the Liberal Party and

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Speaker 1: support him, dispute his policies and turn away from from

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Speaker 1: his mandates, and that starting to happen, then he'll lose

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Speaker 1: a majority in the House and he'll have to call

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Speaker 1: an election. He'll have to resign. The Governor General would

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Speaker 1: call upon him to resign a motion of non confidence,

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Speaker 1: and then and then he would have to call an election. Jordan,

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Speaker 1: what is your message consequence of that was his leadership

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Speaker 1: would be replaced? Jordan, what is your message to the

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Speaker 1: truckers right now? Keep your heads, Keep your heads, gents,

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Speaker 1: don't take the bait, don't take the provocation. Work out

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Speaker 1: an exit strategy as carefully as you possibly can, make

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Speaker 1: your conditions for satisfaction clearly known. And above all, keep

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Speaker 1: doing the peaceful things that you've been doing so remarkably,

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Speaker 1: and hold hold hold that firmly in mind, that commitment

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Speaker 1: firmly in mind. Is there any way that justin Tredeau

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Speaker 1: gives in Jordan, because when you look right now at

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Speaker 1: what's going on, for instance, in the United States, so

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Speaker 1: many states are finally saying, hey, we're lifting mask requirements,

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Speaker 1: we're lifting vaccine mandates. I think by the time Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden speaks at the State of the Union on March first,

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Speaker 1: he's going to basically have an entire country that is

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Speaker 1: demanding a return to normalcy. And we're seeing that obviously.

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Speaker 1: Is there any way justin Trudeau argues, Hey, the science

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Speaker 1: has changed. I'm going to change the requirements that exist

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Speaker 1: in Canada and try to claim it's the science changing,

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Speaker 1: not the pressure from the truckers. Is there a way out,

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Speaker 1: in other words, for Trudeau other than violently potentially removing

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Speaker 1: these truckers from where they are protesting. Well, many of

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Speaker 1: the provinces in Canada, so the equivalent of Americans or

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Speaker 1: announced the sequential cessation of the vaccine. And that's all

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Speaker 1: happened within the last week. And there's a direct consequence

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Speaker 1: of the protests, pressure and the change in Conservative leadership

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Speaker 1: at the federal level because that party dispensed with its

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Speaker 1: previous As a consequence, I would say of these protests

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Speaker 1: so the provinces, many of the provinces and started to

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Speaker 1: back in mandates, especially the ones who were run by

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Speaker 1: more conservative politicians. Pretty good sign. And the provinces in

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Speaker 1: Canada have a lot of power, and I suspect more

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Speaker 1: than will shift in that direction in the next couple

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Speaker 1: of days, certainly in the next weeks. There and harder

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Speaker 1: for Trudeau to take a modern act. He still could,

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Speaker 1: although it isn't obvious that he can do and still

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Speaker 1: retain any credibility. It would be the best pathway forward.

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Speaker 1: But my observations indicate that he's more than prepared to

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Speaker 1: double down. I've never been an inviyer of Trudeau. I

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Speaker 1: think he office through false pretenses, meaning that he had

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Speaker 1: a well known family name because his father was the

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Speaker 1: prime minister for many years, and he has this mutation

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Speaker 1: in Canada that the canopies and the bushes do in

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Speaker 1: the United States. But he had none of the training

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Speaker 1: and wisdom necessary to do a job as difficult as

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Speaker 1: adopt the role. And I think we're seeing we're seeing

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Speaker 1: that playing out in his policy decisions. He's a juvenile

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Speaker 1: person in my estimation, and I'm not saying that lightly.

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Speaker 1: I've watched him and certainly his actions over the last

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that with any degree of triumph.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a catastrophe for the country. Jordan Peterson,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us here. If you

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Speaker 1: thank you for making the time. Yeah, well, thanks very

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Speaker 1: much for the invitation, and thank you for all to

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