WEBVTT - Genes w/ Michael Torpey 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:04.359 Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.160 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.600 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on These are our stories, 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:32.440 done done, that's messed up. In sv podcast, We're coming 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:36.280 to not Live. I'm Lisa Trager, Never Live. We're coming 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:40.800 to you never once Live. I'm Karaklank, your other host. 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.400 You know what this is all about, hopefully by now, 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:48.440 it's SVU recabs, it's true crime, it's interviews with people 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:49.559 from the show. 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.839 And it's also chatting what's going on. We're bursting with 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:54.320 things to talk about today. 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:55.560 Am Dannai. 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:59.280 Listen, I have the night of my life. I barely 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:00.520 I'm barely holding on. 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:02.920 We're coming to you live. No. 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:08.440 November fifth, it's the day after election day, and you know, 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:10.399 we had a little I wouldn't say people are saying 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.640 blue wave. I'd say it's like a blue it's a 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:15.600 blue little like you know, it's a nice little rip. 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.360 Curl or whatever. But Prop fifth, you know I saw that. 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:20.440 I mean, no, it is good. 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.120 We got to celebrate the moments, the moments we have 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:23.680 a day. 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:27.680 We got Abigail Spanberger in Virginia. We got somebody in 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.040 New Jersey and we got mom Donnie in New York 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.800 is happening, So I'm excited to see what he does. 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:36.679 Yeah, someone try to be like but now it's time 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.400 to I go shut up tomorrow like we're getting drunk. 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:43.720 He fucking loser, But I okay. 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:48.400 So I went into not Natalie Poulomidis's show Weird and 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:49.880 Blown Away. 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:52.480 She has been working on in La Forever as a 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:53.240 work in progress. 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.240 I never got a chance to go see it. Son. 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.000 Of course, there's an eighty year old man next to me. 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.760 We start talking. I go, you're not gonna like this 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.400 because he said he hated o'mary. He loves shucked. I go, sir, 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:06.080 this isn't for you. What are you doing here? They 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:07.720 go to fifty plays a year, They moved to New 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:10.200 York for the culture. They rent three of the kids. 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:12.080 I mean, I know his whole life story, and we 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.080 hated o'mary. And we're at Natalie Palamedes. But I heard 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:17.360 him laughing. I did hear him laughing at the end. 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.480 I go, you liked it, didn't you? He goes, She's clever. 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:21.360 I go, the most talented person I've ever seen in 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.040 my life, layers upon layers. I like, can't even believe it. 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:25.600 But it's sold out. The run's sold out before it 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:27.280 even started, so like, I don't even know if any 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.240 of you will be able to see it. She should 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.919 do a giant like Beacon Show or town Hall. I wonder, 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.359 what but this, I mean, it's the eight twenty. It's 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:35.239 a cool venue. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:37.760 She's the Queen of the clowns. You know how this started. 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.840 I was looking at the program, which I love, and 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.120 he goes, ah, there's nothing in there. I go, what 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:44.840 are you talking about? That's always started talking? I go, 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:48.360 there's so much in here, so much depth. Anyways, it's 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:50.760 like she plays two characters at once, Like the way 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:52.840 she moves her body and the hand and the flipping 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:56.240 and flopping and every p so many surprises, the way 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:57.760 she uses I'm like blown away. 0:02:57.760 --> 0:02:59.919 I've never seen anything like it. And I don't like clown. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.360 I would say I'm anti clown, and I am like, 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:04.160 if this is clown, I like, she's. 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:05.480 No, she's the Queen of the clowns. 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:07.560 I mean, for anybody that doesn't know her, she's in 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.639 the progressive commercials. She's got a little bit of like 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:11.880 like that, I would say. 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:15.840 Kind of like high lice in the in the par commercials. 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:18.639 She was just in this Haunted Hotel cartoon. I wyah, 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.840 she's like a cartoon Powerpuff Girls, powder Puff Yeah. 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.720 Yeah, she's got a great voice, and she's funny, and 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:26.919 she's in the You would know her from these progressive 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:31.600 commercials if you're not into comedy and clowning specifically. But 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.480 she's really talented and she's a great she's a really 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:35.000 nice person. 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:35.760 I like her a lot. 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.000 Yeah, And I walked out, checked my phone. We got 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:42.360 a Zoron with Victory. I met three friends at one 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.840 of my favorite bars in the city, established in eighteen seventeen, 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.960 and we went after it, but he wasn't playing on 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:49.320 the TV. 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:50.880 We were sitting in the back of the bar and 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:52.240 it was like but then. 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.680 A woman came in and she had zor On stuff 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.000 and then we started connecting. Then the waitresses, so then 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.520 it was like the waitresses are happy. We found out 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:03.920 the bartender is in charge of the TVs was pissed 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.440 and so he purposely wouldn't play it. And she told 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.960 me later like complaints all night and people were leaving, 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:10.440 but yeah, but I'm like. 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.600 The bartender in New York City was preferred the sex pest. 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:15.080 I'm so, I'm so shocked. 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.120 It's also like, this is where I saw Dean Winters 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.640 once you know, come in, he's a regular. It's like 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.280 it is it's old timey Irish. So for me, I'm like, 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.560 it could give SVU cop bar, but it's not. 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.560 And then we had the most gorgeous waitresses. 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:35.719 I vaka sodas tequila, tequila tequila. So then the woman 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.400 that came in, I go, let me get you at 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:41.560 tequila shot. I'm feeling good, right, So the waitress comes 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:43.960 up to me, goes, she is shocked by your generosity. 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:45.440 I go, it's not that big of a deal, Like 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.000 she couldn't believe it. Then she gives me this on 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.680 her way out. Her friend made these ceramic before there 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.080 were a there was official merch and I go, bitch, 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.960 you gave it to the right girl, like this seramic. 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:03.800 It's a ceramic nyc zoron for mayor pin or like gorgeous. 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:05.160 I told her, I'm like, you gave it to the 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.159 right girl. I'm like, this will be treasured. But because 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.240 she was from Staten Island, she goes, oh, only my 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:14.640 burrow didn't, but they were excited. Yeah, so it was 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:23.280 like really hard to get. But then then so yeah, 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.599 I just started getting hammered, dude, and it wouldn't stop. 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:27.760 And then I I comic I didn't know did the 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.120 tonight show, and so I met up with his friends 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.840 and then I brought over into a different Irish pub 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:40.920 that was open till four and I don't know, I 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:44.240 don't know, Yeah, I really don't. But it was just 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:46.800 a thrill. It was a thrill to be out fun. 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:51.559 It was like, it's cool, it's cool, it's a really 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:54.080 good day at celebrate. 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:55.640 We'll see what happens. 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:59.080 Our millennium, our millennium, millennial king. 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:00.240 Yeah yeah. 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:06.039 And then Prop fifty pass in California, which is exciting too. 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.080 That was our only job and we did it. So 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.760 I'm happy about that. No more sex pests. And he 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.320 just keeps dropping the mic Andrew Combe like I will 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:15.760 never utter your name again. 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:20.200 I'm like, okay. When he uh conceded, he said, Zora 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:23.839 and mom, Dommy, I didn't, like, you can't even say 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:27.800 your opponent's name in the concession, Like it's so it's 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:29.800 so crazy, like come on guys. 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:36.400 But yeah, well, well okay, listen, good work you did. 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.360 You did tease me? Wait or should we do this? 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:38.800 Okay? 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.320 So in Baltimore, someone so, what was in my envelope? 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.640 Someone gave me. It's like Benson in the eras Taylor 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.200 Swift kind of card for me. And then inside was 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.159 a sticker that said the life of an SVU Fan. 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:53.800 So this card that was so cool. I didn't know 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:58.000 where you got that. I'm opening this via zoom for them. 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.919 So someone in Baltimore's an envelope that says Kara and 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:03.920 Casey on it, and she's opening it. 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:04.560 Okay. 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.799 The front says that's messed up and it's a picture 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:07.520 of iced tea. 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:11.160 I love it. Cool. Oh you guys got Life of 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:12.360 an SVU fan too. 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:17.000 Oh so we got stickers and they're in the they're 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.520 in the tailor Life of a Showgirl font. 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.840 This is cool. Yeah, I love the keep that ship up. 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:24.640 They're a note or anything with. 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.800 Big fan of the pod. Keep that ship up, take 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:29.800 care Aloha? 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.800 All right, thank you, thank you to whoever sent us that. 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.320 I think Aloha Aloha is the name, or maybe her 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:39.360 name is Alona. 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:43.080 It's either a loona or Aloha aloha, we love you. 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:47.760 Thank you so much for the sticker and the car. 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:48.440 That's cute. 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:52.280 You should put that on your fridge. Thanks guys. I 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:53.520 was thinking I would keep it. 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:58.160 I love I love a little secret note. 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.000 I really thought there would be more about last night, 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:05.800 but I guess I got fucking just bombed. I was 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:10.040 just buying shots for strangers. I was I love that. 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.560 I love that you're spreading joy around New York. It 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:14.560 was a good vibe, I would say, out in the 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:21.240 out in the city. Wait, so you saw Barbarian? Okay, 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.520 I want to know everything. Yeah, how do you feel? 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:26.800 Last week before Halloween, we had a night where we 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:28.760 were home, both of us, and I was like, you 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:29.120 know what. 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:31.400 He was like, do you want to watch a scary movie? 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.120 And I was like, you know what Lisa's been telling me, 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:34.320 I got to watch Barbarian. 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:38.080 I gotta watch this. I got to see what all 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.720 the hype is about. So two years later, I watched 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:47.040 fucking Barbarian. I I mean, I'm not as into it 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:48.480 as as as you are. 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.760 Sorry, just right, okay, okay, okay, I were you scared of? 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:55.160 Yes? 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.640 It was a lot like weapons where I thought the 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:03.200 first half was fucking perfect, suspenseful. 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.079 I didn't know what was going on. I was like, 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:07.800 I was like, what you know? 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.200 But I also, you know, I'm always I'm like, why 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:10.640 would you do that? 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.400 Why would you go in? Why? 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:14.720 Like you know, I was just like, so, why wouldn't 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:16.200 you put a dresser in front of the door, Like 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:19.360 I was so like, you know, doing the thing people do. 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.640 At horror movies. But then. 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.120 Spoiler alerts fast forward if you haven't seen Barbarian, because 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.000 I know everybody got mad at us for spoiling weapons 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.200 that had been out in the theaters for one calendar month. 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:38.480 But I just I wasn't buying the inbred superhuman strength 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.079 creature that lives in the tunnels. 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:43.560 That wasn't oh vibing for me. 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:51.520 Like she's if it's not supernatural, right, Like it's not supernatural. 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:56.400 She's just a product of being inbred and held underneath 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.480 the tunnel. But she's also probably has barely had any 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.000 like as been eating dirt her whole life, but can 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:05.920 literally break a person's smash up man's head into a 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.240 wall to pulp like in two seconds. I don't know, 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.440 you know, I'm always like I'm a skeptic. I'm just 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.080 like really like I don't know, I was not. 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:15.040 And what about when the guy was in the back, 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.000 what about when the guy was in the back horrifying? 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:19.880 I mean that was s for you? Like that was 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:21.800 s for you? Like I also hid him to the crime. 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.400 But do you don't feel like Justin Long was perfect, 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:25.840 like such a fake thing? 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:27.199 Like he was great. 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:29.439 They treated her at the I mean, and with her, 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:31.120 don't you just feel well? 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.320 And I thought she was an amazing actress. I thought 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.520 it was shot so great. I actually liked watching it 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.880 a lot, Like I liked it. I just was like, no, 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.920 the head smashup top is so surprising. I was like, 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:46.640 what like? And I liked the flashback. I almost wanted 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.199 a little bit. You wanted more crime, more of that, 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:51.760 like hurt when. 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:55.520 I was that crazy, someone goes I'm kind of embarrassed 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:58.439 to admit this, but I didn't realize Hannibal Lecter wasn't 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:03.040 based on someone real. I gos okay, I's okay, there's 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.920 cannibals honest mistake. 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.400 Yeah, honest was a genius Cannibal. 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:15.520 Yeah, Like so I I was like, yeah, I was like, wow, 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:18.760 this is crazy and I thought the justin long and 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.760 the whole cancelation of it and like it definitely is 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:26.120 like amazing feminist messages and stuff that I really liked. 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.280 I she just kept trying to help him, and I'm like, 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:30.320 get out of their bitch. 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.760 Yes, that's how I was, like, you're going back, and 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.840 then the cops like not believing her made my blood 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:41.240 boil like I wanted. It reminded me of It reminded 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.839 me of Jeffrey Dahmer's victim that got out and ran 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:47.280 up to the cops, you know, like, oh, but. 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.680 It was freaky. It was freaky. I was just like 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:52.720 those fucking tunnels. 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.240 I was like, they keep going, but also like the 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.360 bloody root, like with the chair, mattress and just some 0:11:58.800 --> 0:11:59.840 it's like not a big deal. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.040 What are you so scared of? It's like this is the. 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:03.840 And the guy's like I was just so down there 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.040 and check it out. It's probably no big deal. I 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:10.280 was like, I hate everything about like this is so crazy. 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.000 Yeah, he like really knows how to do suspense and 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:18.400 like makes you feel frustrated. Yes, yes, the frustration is 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.959 very real. It was just challenged yourself because it is 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:22.720 really scary. 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.640 Yeah, it was not and I had to close my 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.200 eyes a couple of times during the breastfeeding. 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.320 I didn't love that. I didn't love that. 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:37.720 Also, like the guy that's in the basement, why of 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.080 all days, Like that's the day he killed? Oh? Is 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:43.080 it because like they found him? Like doesn't he like 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.440 haven't people gotten down there before? And she just kills 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.920 them or takes care of them or whatever, Like he's like, 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.240 today's the day, like and shoots himself. 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:52.079 Like I don't know why is it because Justin gave 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:53.440 him the gun? Did he have the gun? I don't 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:56.559 remember this. He had the gun the whole time. 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:00.600 Yeah, because it was like Justin looked at the video 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:05.080 and was like, oh my god, and then he was 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:06.800 like bye back you know. 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.640 So I don't know, no, but he wanted just so 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.040 long to watch him, right, I guess. 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:13.960 I'm like, dude, the way that you're the way that 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:15.760 you're living, I don't know why you haven't done this 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:17.840 a while ago, you know, like any tapes. 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.640 I forgot about the tapes. The tapes are horrific. 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:22.360 I mean that's like the SVU of it all, Like 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:26.000 the underground, the keeping people prisoner, Like you. 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.760 Know how easy it was yeah, and then everyone's like ooh, 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:34.160 this crazy bitch, but no one's like that, like rapist. 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:37.400 How'd she get that way? Yeah? I didn't like that. 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.160 The poor guy that was the only one that helped 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:43.719 her also had to get mothered or whatever happened when 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.040 you going up for that thing is called. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.439 Oh, I'm not going to Australia, so they won't let 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:51.719 me in. 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:52.280 I don't know. 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:56.120 I'm sorry, guys, it's canceled. You're you know, I probably 0:13:56.200 --> 0:14:02.360 was supposed to be in Brisbane tomorrow. She's really trying Australia, 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.559 just so you know. She's been really doing all the 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:05.880 paperwork and they know. 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:06.679 They want to fuck me. 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:08.920 It's because then they got everything and then they're like, 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.400 actually want these things too, And I'm like, again, you 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:13.920 are not leaving me enough time to go to the well. 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.200 You can't get it done. They don't want me there. 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.760 I know when I'm not wanted, and that is there. 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:23.600 It's that's fucking nuts. You're stimulating the economy. What's wrong 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:23.960 with them? 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:29.200 Wait? How is Halloween for your children? Oh? I was cute. 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.120 And for me ten am I met my kids school. 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.520 I'm working my ass off, putting a trunk or treat 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:42.160 together until two thirty. Okay, so trunk er treat is 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.600 like we all did cars, like you decorate you open 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.560 like the trunk of your car, and then like you 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:48.680 decorate it with a theme. 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:50.760 So like one grade did Target. 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.440 It was so fucking cute, like they had they all 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:58.160 the moms wore red shirts with like Target name tags 0:14:58.160 --> 0:14:59.120 that someone made for them. 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.560 They had a little Target check out thing. It was 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.400 like so cute. And then they were the first one. 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:04.880 So all the kids got Target bags that's where they 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:08.560 collected all their candy. And then Oscar's class we did 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:09.680 K Pop Demon Hunters. 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:10.480 It was very cute. 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.240 And then Rosie's class we turned our car into a 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.320 Pikachu and it looked really cute. 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:16.160 I'll post a picture. 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:20.440 It looked really cute, and we had like poke. 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:21.160 Balls and it was all. 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.320 And then one did Monsters Ink and the parents like 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:26.880 dressed up in like the white the white outfits with 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.160 the hard hats and they scream test. 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.960 It was so cute. They had doors, like people really 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:32.800 went for it. 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.640 And oh and then another grade did Saga Boys and 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:39.480 they had like a full fog machine like like you know, 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.240 are you have you watched ke Pop Dean Hunters or 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.320 heard about it at all. No, I really can't believe 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.000 I haven't. I mean this song, but isn't it is 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:46.400 the song? 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:52.160 Is that it? We're going up? Yeah, that's why I 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:55.040 want to hear that. Yeah, and all the kids in 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:55.480 my life. 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.720 I feel dressed up like a K pop demon hunter 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.960 this every wolloween. We did also get a photo of 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:06.800 Casey's daughter. Oh my God knocked me over with a 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.880 picture of his tiny teletubby. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.680 Wait, did you guys tell a tubby too? We had. 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.600 I didn't have a full teletubby outfit, but I did 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.359 have the tinky winky. 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:20.760 On my head. Oh that's oh. I thought I thought 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.080 you were going to say the purse. You didn't have 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:23.720 a purse. You have to have the purse. 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:28.640 I know, I know, but it was it was great Oscars, 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:32.480 Glinda costume slapped Rosie, you know, was stitch. 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:34.960 It was boiling hot. I'll never get used to the. 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.240 Fact that Halloween in la is like always eighty eight 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:38.560 degrees and like sweaty. 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:40.520 I know I'm aging because the way I'm looking at 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:42.600 leaves lately, I like can't believe it. 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:44.400 I go now, this is beautiful fall. 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.360 I go, this is fall, and I got to take 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.600 the Amtrak and it's a Baltimore So. 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:51.320 The leaves I just couldn't be. 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.040 You went on a full leaf peep, you went mid 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:55.200 atlantic leaf peep. 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:57.040 I mean it's so true. 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:58.920 You hit a certain age and you're just like, wow, 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:05.480 foliage amazing, Like it's really amazing. Yeah, we don't get 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.720 that really, but we do get boiling hot October. 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.640 So but then and Rosie just loves wearing a hot 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:12.280 one piece. 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.200 She loves wearing a hot fucking one piece. 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:15.480 Man. 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.640 She just likes to be cozy, basically wearing pajamas with ears. 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.000 And they had a blast. We want trick or treating. 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.200 I let them stay out late because it was a Friday. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.720 Oscar put himself to bed at like nine o'clock. Oscar's 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:29.560 like I gotta go home, Like he was like, get 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:30.160 me out of here. 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.280 Oh my god, that's so funny. Halloween's out of Friday. 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:34.600 The kids really got to party. 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:38.120 Huh oh yeah, and it's on a Saturday next year, right, Yeah, 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:39.680 that's a time leapier. 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:43.440 Sometimes it's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah. 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:47.000 The cellar stars of my show, I would say, is 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.480 a couple showed up as Clarence Thomas and Jinny Thomas. 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.560 Oh yeah, that's great, Yeah yeah yeah, And then she 0:17:55.040 --> 0:18:00.440 was she was Clarence and he was Ginny, and I 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:04.120 would say, they're the winners of my show costumes for sure. 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:04.760 Oh. 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:08.400 I went to Julio Torres's party with the costume contest, 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:12.000 like the full Halloween, and I will say the winner 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.920 of the costume contest, I mean, people are so creative. 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.280 But I did look at a Frankenstein and I was like, wow, 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.560 that's a hot person. It was Adam Lambert. I saw 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.680 later and the press and I was like cool. I 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.840 was like, star studded, cool stuff. But the winner did 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:27.679 go viral on TikTok, but I got to see it 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.080 in person. And the winner of the contest was the 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:33.000 Princess Diana Beanie Baby in the revenge dress. 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.400 In the Revenge dress. Somebody was just telling me about that. 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.000 I was there, Like to be in the presence of that, 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:40.760 I can't, I can't. It was so cool. That's and 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:44.040 then there was so very funny this tooth fairy wand 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:48.240 with this giant tooth, I mean gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous, and 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.800 people performed and did split. I mean, it was like 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:53.439 really cool. It was a really cool event. Oh but 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:55.440 you're gonna love this. So one of my friends, every 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:58.560 time I walked up to her, she was she kept 0:18:58.560 --> 0:18:59.359 walking away from me. 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.240 So I was like, I wonder if she's mad at me? 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:02.240 Like did I do something? 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.160 I wonder And then my other friend was like, oh 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.000 my god, she kind of said something to me like 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:08.600 I don't know what to do. I feel like she 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.159 it's weird, like he was having issues. And then we 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.320 find out the bitch is on ketamine. And it's like, 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:17.240 what a lesson in life? What a lesson? You never 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.560 know what people are going through. The bitches on horse 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:27.520 drinks like it, like, no one is mad. I wonder 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:31.400 if she's mad at me. No, she's just literally been dosed. 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:35.520 That's so funny. But people are so creative. I love 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:38.200 Halloween and I feel like Halloween is the best time 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.600 of year on Instagram, like I want to look at 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:41.680 everyone's costumes. 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:42.320 What did you wear? 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:44.560 I will look at it like I want to know, 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:47.360 and I want to join the contest next year. 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:49.080 I want to go for it. I want to do 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:50.720 something super. I was inspired. 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:56.280 Someone came as you know Rihanna's Instagram the drawing. Yeah, 0:19:56.400 --> 0:20:01.320 someone came as the drawing. It was like white Instagram avatar. Yeah, 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:03.640 that's so funny. 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:06.520 Like people are just so clever and cool. So well. 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.639 Jared and I were to board teenage employees working at 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:10.640 Halloween Horror Nights. 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:11.920 I like to act out. 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:17.719 We wore cloaks and had flashlights and we were just 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:18.520 looking bored. 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:19.280 And you were. 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.680 Inspired when you went to Hornet. I've never got Yeah, 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:25.320 I have not. I want to go to like six Flags. 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.119 I want to ride some coasters. I haven't done that 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:29.280 in a while. Yeah, it's cool. 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:31.639 I mean Universal doesn't have as many good rides, but 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:32.680 six Flags rocks. 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:36.119 I love six Flags. All right, should we get started? 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:38.919 Yeah, but I feel like there was something else, Like 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:42.639 I do, I really do, but I guess not. But 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:48.640 I'll be in Hartford, Connecticut, in Montreal, Canada, Hartford. 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:51.360 Yeah, is your niece gonna come? 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:52.240 No? 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:58.480 No one cares about me. They don't. No one fucking cares. 0:20:58.520 --> 0:20:59.520 Oh my god. Oh yeah. 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:02.639 So you know, we were recording yesterday and my dad called, 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:07.240 and so basically he's like he wants to he wants 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:09.760 to keep one of the street cats, the newer one right, 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.080 and my mom is against it. So he wants me 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:14.560 to manipulate her and call her and just bring up 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:17.520 the cat as often as I can. And I have 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:19.000 to call like the ve like I have to figure 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:21.040 stuff out, Like he's trying to get this cat. 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:25.560 Wow, emotional warfare, bringing you involve, getting you involved. 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:28.320 I want us to get the cat. She's as cute, 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:30.160 she's cute, she likes. 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:32.720 Has he named it? Has he named it her? No? 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:35.240 No I haven't. I didn't even ask yet, But I 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:37.960 got to name her. Once you personalize the cat, it 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:40.760 will be harder to let her go. No, they all 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:43.160 know because the black cat has a named to get. 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:46.000 I get the sentiment. I get the Senate. She's just 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:49.320 so cute. I haven't met her yet. She's so cute. 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:51.760 I only get photos. But I'm glad he's I want 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:55.080 them to have a cat. Yeah, so why is your 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:57.360 mom so against it? She? You know, I think they're 0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:02.359 still traumatized from Manya passing. Oh yeah, I'm just dom 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:04.000 and gloom. She goes, what's gonna happen to the cat 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.400 when I die? And it's like, we'll take the cat. 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:07.920 Like there's a lot of us that'll take the cat, 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:10.040 but also can you just stay alive, like that's also 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:13.359 an option. You can also just outlive the cat, like 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:14.879 I don't understand. 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:19.399 Oh my god, the doom, the gloom. That's so funny. 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:21.480 Oh my lord. 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:25.440 All right, well guys, one more thing before we start 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:25.920 the episode. 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:29.560 For today, we do have new merge. We have a 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:31.600 new T shirt hot off the press. 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:35.480 It is one of those classic Amper sand T shirts, 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:39.520 but it's all the ways that Lisa mispronounces Lois. We've 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:44.560 got a Lois Lewis Louise shirt that is up. It's 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:48.040 so cute and funny and I'm excited. 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:51.480 And it's an inside I've been waiting for an inside 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:52.280 base on. 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:55.040 This is gonna be a conversation starter. You're gonna wear 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.240 this around and people are gonna go, what is this shirt? 0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:00.080 And you're gonna be like, listen, there's this podcast and 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:03.040 it's I love that about it. It's like it's just 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:06.600 for like our listeners, like like people like we understand it, 0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:08.720 and I think it's it's really funny and it's cute. 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:11.480 I like the color scheme. So you can go to 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:14.520 the www. Dot exactly right store dot com or you 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:16.320 can just go to that's messed up live dot com 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:18.960 that has our shop link, which will take you right there, 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:23.360 get it ordered and we drop merch. 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:25.199 Or like, how about this one, I go, We've already 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:27.919 designed it. We already had one because people are like 0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:29.080 suspicious and annoyed. 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:31.919 I go, sure, but we got a lose vicious and annoyed. 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:34.119 We can look into for a New Year drop. You 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:35.720 can do that for New Year drop up. For now, 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:39.520 We've already had Lois Louise. I forget the other ones. 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:44.440 There's a lot more than imagine, and they're they're all 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:45.440 on the shore and the. 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:48.520 Colorway is cool. I like the color. Yeah, yeah, for sure. 0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:53.760 So Mono, get on over there, pick one up, support 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:55.520 our show and we love you guys. 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:57.119 Let's get this show on the road. 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:04.800 Right. We're at season eighteen, episode thirteen. 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:10.720 Jeans All right, fresh Sidney Sweeney has good jeans. That's 0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:15.840 what this episode's about. Maddie with the fatty Maddie. Yeah, 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:19.239 I remember her real last name. I like her, but 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:23.800 she her tour poster stuff is bad jeans. It's like 0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:28.200 Maddie has bad jeans, but it's the same kind of photos. 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:32.480 And I think it's so good and funny. Okay, So 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:35.200 we're at a busy bar. Rock music is playing. It's 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:37.920 a divey vibe, I would say. And there's a little 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:41.000 creep and I know him, Michael Torpi and he was 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:44.440 a CEO on Orange Is the New Black and also 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:48.360 in an episode post Rage season twenty six, episode twenty two, 0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:50.919 and he was in Deep, so that's exciting. He was 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:53.960 a lobbyist slash Catherine's love interest for three episodes in 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:54.600 season four. 0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:59.000 And he's a creep for sure, clear as day. But 0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:02.760 another creep pops, so you know, Jessica, our bartender is 0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:06.560 really getting hit on Olens and you could tell that 0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:09.680 this the second creep, is always trying to hit on Jessica. 0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:13.120 She does not like it. She knows his name. She's like, Rodney, 0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:15.800 leave me the fuck alone. He's like, let's go to dinner. 0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:18.600 We can go to Polo bar no boo, and she's like, 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:20.400 I work, I don't want to do this. He goes, 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:23.280 what about marry me, take me to pair or not 0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:27.040 take me to Paris. I'll take you to Paris. I'll 0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:30.359 take you to Paris. Then our og guy is like, 0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:33.920 leave her alone, and she's not into it, and Rodney 0:25:34.000 --> 0:25:35.879 is like, you shut the fuck up. So the men 0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:39.160 stare each other down creep versus creep, And now she's 0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:41.439 closing the bar, she's locking it up. It's the end 0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:44.520 of the night and uhh. Rodney is there waiting for her. 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:47.000 He's like, I'm a good guy, just give me a chance. 0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:49.679 And when he touches her, she's like, don't fucking touch me. 0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:53.320 He's like, relax, and it's just them in the middle 0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:55.879 of the street, and she finally walks off, and she 0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:58.359 does go to a car, and that's a twist for sure, 0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:01.800 and she entered and then someone hops up behind her 0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:05.119 and she starts screaming for help, and he keeps saying 0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:08.199 relaxed as she screams. And now we have NYPD on 0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:11.560 the case. So rollin's increased. You are there and some 0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:15.320 unis fill them in. Jessica Wolcott, she's twenty six and 0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:17.720 she works at a bar on seventh and Avenue B. 0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:18.880 Guess what. 0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:21.560 I was at a bar on seventh and Avenue B, 0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:25.480 like last week I was. I used to always be 0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:28.800 at bars. There no the bar on that corner, Like, 0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:30.199 what do they think they filmed there? 0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:30.520 I don't know. 0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:33.199 It was someone's birthday and I walked over and it 0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:38.360 was rock rocks kind of vibes, and I wonder if 0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:41.080 it's there, but also, why are you driving to work? 0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:43.040 Like it's kind of psycho. I would never be a 0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:45.639 victory shoe shaped bar there for a long time that 0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:49.960 I always went to. Yeah, Like the bar was horseshoe shaped, yeah, yeah, 0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:53.359 in the middle and it was like rock and roll. 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:55.760 Yeah, like a fun divy bar. 0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:57.320 I used to go there all the time because my 0:26:57.359 --> 0:26:59.960 friend that you know used to live right down the street. 0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:05.320 Okay, okay, good times. Yeah, so I'll you know, I 0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:08.159 like that. So anyways, she so she's on the corner. 0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:10.560 So she was raped in the front seat of the 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:14.160 car and dark music plays, and that's obviously the closes 0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:16.879 captioning there's gonna be a lot of music cues in 0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:22.200 this episode. Rollin's goes to comfort the blanket covered shivering victim, 0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:23.080 take her inside. 0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:24.600 She's freezing. I don't understand. 0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:26.600 You can't be in an ambulance, Like I know, it's 0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:29.480 it's for the show. I get it, but she's just 0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:33.080 like really shivering and disheveled. But she didn't see him 0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:36.680 because it was from behind, and her makeup is smeared, 0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:40.240 and she did hear his voice. He talked a lot, 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:42.920 and he said he was sorry. He started to cry 0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:46.840 and go, it's not my fault. I was born this way. Sorry, 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.200 I just did it like in the Gagaway in my head. 0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:53.560 So he basically he's like, I was born to be 0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:57.800 a rapist, and it's in my jeans credits. Okay, she's 0:27:57.840 --> 0:27:59.720 indoors and warm, and she's clean. I think they let 0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:02.119 her wash her hair and face. She seems yeah, she 0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:04.639 looks showered. Yeah, yeah, So I wonder if they like 0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:07.720 did a speedy rape kit or something. So she's sitting 0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:11.640 with Benson and telling her what happened. She's crying. She says, 0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:13.560 you know, like he was really strong because she did 0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:16.119 try to fight him off. She thinks she does know 0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:19.280 who it is because Rodney would never leave her alone. 0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:21.199 So now solemn music plays. 0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:25.000 She said, it was really odd about the genetics, you know, 0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:28.919 and she asks if it's real, and Benson goes, that's ridiculous, 0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:31.879 of course it's not. So we go to the car dealership. 0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:36.720 Guess who works there, Rodney. I mean it's I like 0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:40.440 that car dealers like it's been a scummy job forever 0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:43.800 and will never change, Like if you want to create 0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:47.040 a character that's like untrustworthy or a Slee's ball. 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:50.560 And he sells cars. Yeah. Yeah. 0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:53.080 He tries not to talk to Rolin's and Creasy because 0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.360 he's in the middle of a deal and it's like, babe, 0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:58.240 there's two badges. No one cares about your deal. He 0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:01.840 also seems shocked, but he the name Jessica and makes 0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:04.360 a little joke to the customer who like and it's 0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:06.920 so cheesy, but the customer kind of giggles and they 0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:09.480 have this like he implies his prices are so low 0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:13.240 it's criminal, and he, you know, walks off with the 0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:16.360 detectives and he goes, I got rejected. Is that a felony? 0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:18.920 And they go no, but rape is He goes, oh, 0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:22.880 I did not rape. He swears to God. He says 0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:25.360 he would never rape somebody, and he didn't follow her. 0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:28.280 He just got blown off, and so like he went 0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:30.760 to a different bar, and or near the bar, he goes, 0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:33.920 I would never rape somebody. And that's actually like a 0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:36.040 sign of innocence, right because when the people go, I 0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:39.480 would never do that, Like that makes sense because or 0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:41.520 they'll be like who said that? And it's like, so 0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:43.520 you're not denying it, you know what I mean, Like 0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:45.840 this is the right answer for someone who doesn't who 0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:48.600 didn't do it. But he goes, I just I got 0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:51.080 blown off and I took a quick car home. He 0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:53.640 agrees to a DNA sample and it's kind of hot. 0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:56.560 He goes swab away, like he's like down to get swabbed, 0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:00.880 And so I'm back into this car dealer. So my 0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:04.520 sister used to do like reception, like paperwork admin at 0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:06.920 a car dealership. And I used to hang out at 0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:09.000 the office when I was a kid, and it was 0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:10.920 the thing where you would put documents in a tube 0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:11.560 and then you can. 0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:16.960 Go like, oh, why that is so cool. My mom's 0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:18.560 bank used to do that. I'd be like, let me 0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:21.960 put it in like to do deposits. Yeah, oh my god. 0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:25.160 I want to a height of technology. I thought that 0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:26.760 was like, this is the future. We're all gonna be 0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:28.640 sending each other messages through fucking tubes. 0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:30.560 I fucking loved it. 0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:32.560 I want to shrink down, get in the tube and 0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:36.760 get shot up, have a fun ass. 0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:38.600 I think you kind of do that on like a 0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:42.040 water slide. You're right, you're in a tube and you 0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:46.040 just get shot the fuck out of a cannon. 0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:50.360 We're at the precincts and Roland's looking at Bodega camera 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:53.600 footage and we see Rodney grabbing her and then her 0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:56.480 walking away, and he watches her, but he does have 0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:59.240 the other way. And Benson comes in with even more 0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:02.040 evidence to hear him the DNA is not a match. 0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:05.200 But good news is we got a familial match with 0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:08.760 someone named Mark Brown who's arrested in twenty thirteen for rape. 0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:11.480 And he's doing seven to ten and sing sing because 0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:14.239 he raped a math teacher in the Bronx and I 0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:16.800 like like the detail of the subject that she teaches, 0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:19.680 So let's talk to him and find his male relatives. 0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:21.920 We talked to this guy. He's kind of funny and 0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:25.040 he's annoyed. But from like, from my perspective, when you 0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:27.240 want to pay a change of pace in jail, someone 0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:28.760 came to see me, whether I wanted it or not, 0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.600 I'd be like, oh, yeah, I'll entertain this. Yeah, let's 0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:37.200 see what happens. Something to do, Yeah, something to do. 0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:41.520 I just don't know why. But he basically he says, 0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.000 so he goes I'm not what are you guys talking about? 0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:45.760 You want all my close family members? What else? You 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:46.920 want me to wash your car? 0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:48.640 And they lie to him and they go, well, we 0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.240 just want to make sure everyone's okay because someone in 0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:53.320 your family has been critically injured. 0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:55.880 Which is like sad to lie like that. I know 0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:57.480 you've got to get what you gotta get, but like, 0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:01.440 this guy's in jail now, he's like, he's my They're okay, Like, 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:04.720 I think it's so fucked up, and I don't like 0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:07.160 this little lie that they're doing with the critically insured 0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:07.800 family member. 0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:09.640 Like this man's in jail. His like, I mean, he's 0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:12.400 a rapist. Fuck with him. Who cares to ride him? Honestly? 0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:14.600 Lie to him, hit him in the face. I've been 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:19.920 worse to less rape. So whatever. He's worried. He's like, 0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:22.600 oh my god, was it my brother? Is it Mark Brown? 0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:23.320 Oh? 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:25.600 No, he's Mark Brown. I'm kidding. It's his brother Nick. 0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:26.960 He goes, is it my brother Nick? 0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:29.479 They're like, I don't know, someone's you know, fucked up 0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:32.640 in a car crash, dude. So he's so worried. He's like, 0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:34.880 does my mom know? And they go, well, let him know. 0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:36.920 We'll let him know, And so they get Nick's info. 0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:39.360 He's an accountant, and they walk off slimy as fuck, 0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:43.120 but I guess we've you know, he's a rayping. So 0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:45.840 they go to Nick Brown and he's the other man 0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:49.240 from the bar earlier, obviously, and he's a little He's 0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:50.880 in a little desk in the corner of a row 0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:53.880 of desks, no tie, button down, checkered shirt. So they 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:55.960 approach him and he goes, is this about the bartender? 0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:57.960 And they're like, how do you know about that? And 0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:00.400 he's like, oh, I heard from a guy that he like, 0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:02.720 I know from the bar, and he goes, listen, I 0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:05.040 did it. I raped her. I couldn't help it. I 0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:07.280 was born this way. I was born to be a rapist. 0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:11.080 And they obviously have to handcuff him, and Rollin's mouth 0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:13.480 is a gape. She cannot believe it, and she does 0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:15.720 read him as rights. All his coworkers watch him as 0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:19.440 he's taken away, thurnsmet roombars he did confess to rape, 0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:21.640 and he does have an attorney. He goes, listen, my 0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:23.760 father was a mouse. My father was a mouse. His 0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:28.680 name was Stuart Little. And now we're family of rapists. Okay, 0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:32.520 all right, he serves seven years for rape with three 0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:33.200 counts of rape. 0:33:33.240 --> 0:33:33.880 Seven years. 0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:37.120 I think that's not enough, but yeah, the dad also 0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:40.560 said he couldn't help himself. And Benson's watching obviously She's like, 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:42.080 my father's a rapist? 0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:43.760 Is it in me? Am I a deep yeah? 0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:47.760 Yeah, And the dude's like, it's in me, it's DNA. 0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:49.920 And also her brother ended up, you know, having a 0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:53.080 squirrely life. And then the lawyer stops him from talking 0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:55.760 anymore and goes, Nick has information to help solve an 0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:59.080 outstanding case involving a serial rapist, but they want a deal, 0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:01.120 and Rollins goes, ye, yeah, but we need a taste, 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:03.440 and Chrasey goes and how do we know you're legit? 0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:05.240 And he looks up and goes, I know who the 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:08.760 River rapist is. They're like, you know him? Oh my god. 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:12.480 But the lawyer stops him from revealing anything and goes, 0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.360 but he goes he gags his victims with socks, and 0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:18.120 Crasy goes, congrats, you read the paper, and he goes, 0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:21.040 wool socks because they're thick in course, and make them gag, 0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:24.080 and it's like, okay, that's so fucked up. He says 0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:26.399 it's not a knife. It's in the ice pick as well, 0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:30.160 and he smells like cigars. And all the victims did 0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:32.719 mention that someone was always smoking, and he goes, yeah, 0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:34.760 he was always smoking these little ones with the plastic 0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:37.200 tip thing. They're like, okay, we're gonna talk to the 0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:40.279 detectives investigating the case figure it out. And he's like, 0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:43.640 please tell the bartender. I'm really sorry, and Rollins goes yeah, 0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:46.440 and we'll send her flowers too. Are you fucking stupid? 0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:49.799 And he looks sad, but okay, time has passed. We're 0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:52.880 in Benson's office. Rollin's Criasy got the info confirmed with 0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:56.080 the lead people on the River rapist crime. Benson's gonna 0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:58.440 call the DA for a deal, and Chraasey goes, yeah, 0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:00.440 and make sure you tell him about the dumg thing 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:01.319 he's going to bring up. 0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:02.120 So they're prepared. 0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:04.520 And so we got to call Jessica and tell her 0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:07.680 about the deal, and we also and that we got 0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:11.439 him and sends Creesy out. So now Rollin's goes, well, 0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:13.560 you haven't told him about your rapist dad yet, and 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:15.719 she goes, well, neither did you, And she goes that's 0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:18.920 not my place. So they're sweet, they're friends. Rollins chucks in. 0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:22.160 Benson pretends she's okay, clearly she's not. She's straight at 0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:26.920 her therapist's office. Peter Lindstrom. Benson's in therapy, And I 0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:30.040 forgot it's this is also about Noah, So it's not 0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:35.200 even about just racist rapist dad Noah's dad, is it? 0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:35.719 Nikki d. 0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:41.000 D Johnny D Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean Johnny 0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:45.120 one of the worst, burned a woman, full trafficker, rapist, murderer, 0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:48.360 like monster. I mean, this show has so many layers. 0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:50.760 But so now she's worried Noah will be a rapist 0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:53.759 as well, and she goes, what if his darkness will 0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:58.319 overpower everything? He says, your belief systems, moral compass, and 0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:01.600 strength are stronger than your fond there's DNA, and he 0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:04.360 reminds her there's no such thing as the rape gene. 0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:07.280 And it's not it's like you had an abusive person 0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:08.799 in your life, like that's what it is. 0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:11.200 It's not a gene, you know. 0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:13.640 Yeah, And also I'm not saying that's an excuse, but 0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:16.480 it's like if you're abused, you're more likely to abuse. 0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:18.279 It has nothing to do with genetics. 0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:22.799 Well, what's interesting is like this episode is listed as 0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:24.080 being based also. 0:36:23.880 --> 0:36:27.840 On like the warrior gene, which is like this thing 0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:32.480 that is it is a thing. It's like a it's 0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:35.040 like a misleading term. It says on the internet of 0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:37.440 like some kind of gene that they found in a 0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:40.080 bunch of people in this one Dutch family, and they 0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:45.400 were all very they said it was like it influences behavior, 0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:48.360 but it's not an actual direct predictor of violence. But 0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:52.160 this episode never even like gets into that. So I 0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:54.359 didn't even really like research it for the second half 0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:56.960 of the episode because I was like, this just feels 0:36:57.000 --> 0:36:58.759 like a bullshit excuse to be like. 0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:01.040 Well, sorry, I have this warrior gene that just makes 0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:03.799 me a fucking rapist, Like yes, that's not. 0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:06.160 Yeah, no, no no. 0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:12.520 So we're at Rikers and Barba's here, and I just 0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:14.759 had been mentioning, like a few episodes ago, how I 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:17.719 needed more Barbara. We miss Barbara, and we got him, 0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:21.720 and he's with Benson and he's willing to make a deal. Okay, 0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:24.320 so rape two and only if the information is credible. 0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:26.640 The lawyer tries to get a better deal and but 0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:29.360 Barbara shuts him down before it starts like we're not 0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:31.840 doing this, and Nick's like, okay, okay, I'll take it. 0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:34.319 It sounds fair to me. And he says that the 0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:36.479 River rapist name is Sam. He doesn't know the last 0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:39.040 name or where he lives or works, and it's like 0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:41.000 what the fuck, Like what do you even have? Like 0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:44.000 you're so annoying, and Nick says, I'll know where he'll 0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:47.319 be tonight at ten dark music again. So we're on 0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:50.640 twelfth Avenue. We're in a warehouse, kitchen, garage, morgue. I 0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:53.480 don't know, white painted bricks, metal doors that open in 0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:57.960 the middle, you know, like back, like for trucks or 0:37:58.000 --> 0:38:01.760 something to go. Yeah, there's like where how Yeah, fluorescent lights, 0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:05.520 loose chairs. This is obviously a meeting addict kind of vibes. 0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:09.520 And there's God talk and we and Nixon there he's undercover. 0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:11.799 We have a steak out Rollin's and crease You're working 0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:15.279 closely together and they're like, fuck these sexual predators, and 0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:20.040 Creasey calls it a Saturday night live skit. Nick starts 0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:23.480 and he says he was drinking a beer and talking 0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:26.000 to a pretty bartender, and he says he began to 0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:28.800 spin out and had feelings that he couldn't control himself, 0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:31.080 and he did the thing he vowed he'd never do, 0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:33.640 and he admits to raping her and a young man 0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:35.560 and a beanie goes, how could you do that? And 0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:37.520 he says we had a deal. We were going to 0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:40.520 fight this thing together. And he says I made a mistake. 0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:43.919 I'm sorry, and the beanie goes, I'm not buying it now. 0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:47.239 Old man confronts beanie and would you blame an alcoholic 0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:50.440 for sipping a drink? He's not responsible for his genetics, 0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:53.239 and neither are you. There's also a curly haired guy 0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:56.520 and yeah, so there's like old guy, two young guys, 0:38:56.560 --> 0:39:00.440 two nameless guys, and there's a lot of empty chairs, 0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:03.920 is my point? Okay, it's a small club. And I 0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:06.279 also want to know is this on craigslist? Like how 0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:08.319 are they finding each other? Like how do the how 0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:14.920 do the way? How are they finding each other? Like sketchy, sketchy. 0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:17.840 So this old dude talks in a lot of platitudes 0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:20.359 and finally is like, don't hate yourself, and the beanie goes, 0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:23.879 are you fucking kidding? I despise myself every day? Wake 0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:25.880 up and go, is this the day I finally ruined 0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:28.960 my life in the life of an innocent woman? Someone 0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:32.120 walks in late, someone says, hi, Sam, we have Sam. 0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:34.960 Old man fills him in that Nick shared and that 0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:37.640 Will is disappointed in him, and Sam says, sorry to 0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:40.799 hear about that, but you know, it happens, and he's 0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:43.320 quickly like doesn't give a fuck, like how are things? 0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:45.799 Like what's going on? He says he's good. 0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:47.959 He's kind of like a handsome guy, I would say, 0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:50.040 And he says he feels like he turned a page 0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:52.759 in his life. He went on a real, proper date 0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:55.160 with a great woman. And the old guy says, like, 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:58.040 oh my god, that's terrific. So then Nick asked the 0:39:58.080 --> 0:39:59.800 old man like, do you think me or Sam or 0:39:59.840 --> 0:40:02.239 any of us kind of a normal relationship And the 0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:05.800 old man says yes, it's a process. And Nick says 0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:09.200 even though he's assaulted three women, And Sam goes, whoa 0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:11.120 why are you being so negative? 0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:12.440 And so then. 0:40:13.920 --> 0:40:16.879 Well we don't talk stats in here, bro, like it's 0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:20.160 so But also like Nick, can you be a little patient, 0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:22.880 like why or why didn't anyone train him to be undercover? 0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:25.759 More like you're changing the way you behave so drastically, 0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:29.920 like you're being crazy, You're literally it's giving. The fucking 0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:33.240 guy at the ticket booth in the lou Diamond Phillips 0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:40.240 episode like relax, like just calm down. Yeah, So he goes, whatever, 0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:42.160 I'm sorry, I'm just trying to make sense of this 0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:45.200 for myself, and they go, yeah, well you talk about 0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:49.040 your own crap, okay, And Nick keeps trying, and everyone's 0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:51.200 just suspicious and curly guys like why do you even 0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:53.440 use the R word? You know, like we don't do 0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:57.040 that here. And Nick's like, well, what are the options 0:40:57.040 --> 0:40:58.560 for those of us who have raped? What do we 0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:02.600 do now? And he's flailing, and then Curls goes, we're 0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:05.320 trying the best we can. And they all start fighting 0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:07.359 and the old man screams for them to calm down. 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:11.239 They're in full like outerwear. This meat plant must be freezing. 0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:13.919 And then the old man reminds everyone that they're there 0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:16.640 to support each other, and Curls goes, Nick is asking 0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:20.719 too many questions, he's accusing people. He's He's like, I've 0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:23.480 been here ten times, I've never heard him talk about rape. 0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:27.160 This guy's pissed, and he goes and the Sam's specific 0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:29.560 you're a snitch. He goes, no, I'm not tense music. 0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:33.160 So now Curls takes out a knife and all units 0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:35.120 have to move in. Obviously there's a knife, and so 0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:37.719 the group kind of like it's a musical. It's like 0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:39.920 truly West Side story. They're all kind of like, you know, 0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:44.200 getting him against so well and knife on him. They 0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:46.560 push him against the wall. He goes, I'm gonna count 0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:48.880 and I'm gonna count in. But it's like, obviously he 0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:52.200 finds his wire and rape. It's not as good of 0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:55.120 actors as killers. I guess I'm not not good at 0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:58.239 getting away with steps. So so they go, you lying 0:41:58.320 --> 0:41:59.920 son of a bitch and Nick goes kill me. 0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:02.319 I deserve it. I deserve it. The cops run in. 0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:06.560 Everyone tries to run but get we're bringing in, so 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:09.520 the Beanie guy's crying. They arrest Sam and they're all 0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:11.560 going to the precinct for a chat. So it's a 0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:15.160 big parade of perverts through the precinct and Barbara. 0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:18.680 Perverts on parade. 0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:22.120 Barbara and Benson are watching the clowns come in and 0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:25.440 maybe the Beanie guy had a chance, I don't know. 0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:28.000 So they have nothing to really hold anybody, so they 0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:30.560 really have to work as a team. The old man goes, yeah, 0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:33.800 they're flawed, but they're trying and they're decent, and Rollins 0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:35.799 only wants to talk about Sam. She does not give 0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:38.359 a fuck, and he's not going to spill easy. He goes, 0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:40.400 this is a place to support men with nowhere to 0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:42.200 turn and no one to talk, and we listen and 0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:45.319 courage and we don't judge. And Benson through the spy 0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:48.520 windows scoffs to Barba. And most of the members have 0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:50.959 never done anything wrong, he says, and Rollins is like, okay, 0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:52.840 but I only care about Sam Dalton, so stop it. 0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:54.520 But he refuses to betray the group. 0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:56.880 She gets loud and aggressive and goes, what about the 0:42:56.920 --> 0:43:00.000 betrayal of three women? Three innocent women who are wondering 0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:02.120 if the cops are ever going to catch their rapists? 0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:05.080 Are you okay betraying them? He says, If I betray 0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:07.719 one of them, I lose all credibility. The group vanishes 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:09.759 and lots of decent men are fighting to do the 0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:13.239 right thing, to go against their genetics, and he's like, 0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:16.680 you know, I'm helping these guys. It could help stop 0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:19.080 hundreds of rapes. So Barbara's like, okay, I get it, 0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:21.719 I get it relaxed. Benson goes, Shirt in theory, but 0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.600 in reality it could make things much worse. It gives 0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:28.040 them a forum to rationalize and legitimize their crimes. And 0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:30.120 Barbara goes, well, who's this other kid? And we go 0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:32.880 to the other spy window. It's woodroom blinds and his 0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:37.160 name is will Stein, not Curls or hat. Another one, Cariese, 0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:40.240 is in with that young man. He has feathered Kennedy's 0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:45.799 style hair, I would say, and he goes, we're in there. 0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:47.600 We're trying to become better. All we want to be 0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:50.600 is better, and Creasy goes, well, Sam rape three women 0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:52.640 and the guy gets shaky and goes, I know nothing 0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:55.960 about that. Creasy says it's illegal to lie to a cop. 0:43:56.440 --> 0:43:58.880 And the guy says, I didn't ask to be a 0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:00.960 part of this, and he goes, it's not my fault. 0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:03.800 My father rapes somebody, and now I inherited his genes. 0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:05.719 He just wants to do the right thing and make 0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:08.640 sure the evil never manifests, and that's why he goes 0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:12.160 to these meetings. He wants to control his urges increase. 0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:13.960 He goes, I feel for you, but I'm not a 0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:16.360 priest and I'm not a therapist. I'm a cop, okay, 0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:19.520 and I'm here to talk about crimes, actual crimes. So 0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:21.640 one more time, are you going to tell me anything 0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:25.760 about Sam Dalton or no? And he says no. Solemn 0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:29.239 music plays Barba Leaves and Benson is low at her 0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:32.120 desk looking at baby Noah in a frame. So now 0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:35.880 Benson and Rollins are with Dalton and they're like, we 0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:38.560 have evidence you rape three women, and they take photos 0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:40.480 of the victims out and display them on the table 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:42.880 and he's smart though. He's like, well, if you do, 0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:45.239 then why aren't you arrested me? And Benson goes, well, 0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:47.440 we want to hear your side of the story. She's like, 0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:50.640 you're in this group, you're obviously remorseful, you know, maybe 0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:53.480 you want to come clean, get the guilt and shame 0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:58.080 off your chest. And he's like, oh, confess you say okay, 0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:01.640 and Rollins is like got you, and you're going away 0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:04.040 and if you want a deal, you better say something 0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:06.279 to us. And they're trying their tag teaming. They're like 0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:09.160 trying everything, like maybe it'll make you feel good and 0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:10.919 he says, you know what would make me feel good, 0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:13.880 A thick steak, and Benson goes, yeah, you're not alone 0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:15.840 in that, but I don't think that's gonna happen for 0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:18.680 you right now, And he gets up tense music, grabs 0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:21.520 his jacket from the back of the chair. He's really 0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:24.040 super casual and confident, and they ask where he's going. 0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:27.160 He says home. They stand up and say, no, that 0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:30.560 ship has sailed. You're under arrest for trespassing. You weren't 0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:33.120 allowed to be in that warehouse, private property, and you 0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:36.520 had weed in your pocket and it's twenty seventeen. I 0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:38.680 think it was like decriminalized. But like whatever, they're playing 0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:41.960 dirty whatever. I like what's happening. I'm turned on. I 0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:45.560 like them working together. But he says lawyer right away. 0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:48.040 But then once they handcuff him, like they look at 0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:49.880 each other like, oh my god, I can't believe we 0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:52.600 got away with that. Like they it seemed like this 0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:54.839 was not a plan and they were flying by the 0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:58.120 seat of their pants. Like Benson kind of breathes a 0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:01.120 sigh of relief and makes eyes of like, Okay, I 0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:05.759 guess I'm now yeah, but I think this is one 0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:08.439 of my favorite scenes of all time, and I don't 0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:11.680 know why we don't talk about it more So, Benson 0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:15.640 has some good news for suspenders. Barbara, okay, like we 0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:18.120 have all the victims remember his face and have I 0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:21.240 d'd him, and his voice and the stench of cheap cigars, 0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:24.359 and they're excited to testify and put him away. They 0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:27.400 cannot wait to get his ass The crime lab confirmed 0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:29.560 the DNA as a match to all three vics, and 0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:32.799 Barbara goes, ah, you're too kind, and we know it's 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:34.719 too good to be true. And I assume it's going 0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:38.200 to be a poisonous fruit tree situation. And a woman 0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:41.480 walks in. It's a court processor and it's a blue 0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:44.400 folded paper and Barbera's opening and you know it's emotion 0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:48.400 to suppress. The confession to the therapy group is inadmissible. 0:46:49.080 --> 0:46:50.680 But in my head, I go, who gives a shit. 0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:52.800 We don't need the confession. We have all these other things. 0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:56.000 And they brought everyone from the group in. They brought 0:46:56.040 --> 0:47:00.440 everyone in, so they questioned everyone in the group. Basically 0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:03.880 they're saying this like old man is a clergyman, congregant privilege, 0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:07.799 and Benson goes, that's a stretch. So now what he says, 0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:11.280 We're screwed, And I was right. It's the poisonous tree situation. 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:15.160 And so I don't and yeah, whatever, the fruit of 0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:17.160 the poisonous tree, and I don't. 0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:18.160 I really like that. 0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:21.640 It's like such a fun one, but I just feel 0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:23.160 like they brought everyone in and they have a lot 0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:24.040 without the confession. 0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:26.080 So I kind of hate this little thing. 0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:28.399 But we have a sad little rapist boy and he's 0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:30.520 sitting like a baby, and we hear a lawyer say 0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:33.720 he grew up an abusive household, violent dad, YadA YadA, 0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:37.160 drug addictions, sexual assault, His dad's in jail. He doesn't 0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:40.200 have impulse control, but he's determined to do something about it. 0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:44.240 The lawyer Greg jermyn German whatever, he's from, Ally McBeal, 0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:48.440 we should get him. He's also in sixty five episodes 0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:52.280 of Grays, and he's in four episodes as SVW defense 0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:56.719 attorney Derek Strauss and he's been working since nineteen eighty five. 0:47:56.880 --> 0:47:59.200 I'm obsessed. And then Barba's like, I'm sorry, why is 0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:02.399 this relevant? Judge agrees, but he just wants to show 0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:06.360 context for the therapy group, and he's like the sting happened. 0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:09.320 It's fucked up, and the music is getting dramatic. We 0:48:09.440 --> 0:48:12.959 know what's gonna happen. Barbara gets up. He's disgusted. He says, 0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:15.359 the men talking about who they want to rape and 0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:19.000 who they've raped is barely a religious therapy thing. Okay, 0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:22.279 fuck you in a warehouse and they yell at each other. 0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:24.440 It gets wild. The defense keeps going on about the 0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:28.799 First Amendment. Barbara screams, a carpet cleaning a warehouse. Thank god, 0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:30.319 we know what it is. I mean, it was killing me, 0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:32.879 it was killing me. So it's a carpet cleaning place. 0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:36.120 Oh my god. So I walk home with a different comic. 0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:38.080 She lives on the Lower East Side, Like I walk 0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:39.839 home with her late at night from the cellar often 0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:43.080 and the same street, and for some reason, all the 0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:45.480 business's lights were on that are usually off. So we 0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:48.200 got to kind of like look into businesses and we 0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:54.160 saw a newspaper delivery like window front so vintage. I 0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:56.120 looked them up. I looked at all the newspapers they 0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:58.560 have what delivery? And we looked in and there was 0:48:58.600 --> 0:49:02.320 like hip looking dudes work in organizing the things. 0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:04.799 It's like what paper. 0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:07.200 All of them. It's like all of them from across 0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:10.440 the of the world. Like it's newspaper. It's like general 0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:16.160 newspaper delivery, so retro. But it really kind of peaked 0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:21.480 my interest because we usually don't see it Outberts Newspaper Delivery. 0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:25.600 Newspaper distribution center opens at two am. Yeah, it's two 0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:30.000 am to noon. Yeah, and the guys I was scared 0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:33.359 because my brain is broken, but we waved at them 0:49:33.360 --> 0:49:38.080 through the window. Yeah, it's like t T twenty five 0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:39.520 different papers. 0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:42.120 Wow. Crazy. 0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:44.640 Yeah, I wonder who like the clients are. But there's 0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:49.560 order forms, student order forms. Yeah, they bundle it, no 0:49:49.640 --> 0:49:52.640 extra charge. I just hadn't seen it. It's just like 0:49:52.760 --> 0:49:54.719 wild when you do the same walk over and over 0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:57.839 and you still get to find something new. And then 0:49:57.920 --> 0:49:59.880 obviously I stood with my friend on the street corner 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:02.120 and then as I'm walking more home, I run into 0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:07.000 multiple people I know, we know WHOA. I also sat 0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:08.839 in the park with a different friend and I ran 0:50:08.920 --> 0:50:13.520 into two other people. I just like love the city. Yeah, 0:50:13.560 --> 0:50:16.839 and finding a vintagital newspaper place. I'm going to try 0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:18.719 to look in there all the time. Now, I'm like, 0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:21.399 I love it, Okay, whatever, it's a carpet cleaning where else. 0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:24.040 Thank you to the writer who added this, I really 0:50:24.040 --> 0:50:28.680 appreciate it. So now, okay, we know it's gonna be 0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:32.200 a nightmare. The judge's questioning him, but he's prepped and ready, 0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:34.239 and they put the old man on the stand and 0:50:34.280 --> 0:50:37.880 he goes, we do the Lord's prayer, and you know, 0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:41.440 we help those that are prone to violence, and we 0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:44.240 help them with shame and complex issues. I'm a founder, 0:50:44.239 --> 0:50:47.760 I'm a minister, but motherfucker, you don't have degrees or training. 0:50:47.880 --> 0:50:50.560 Like the tone might feel spiritual, but it doesn't fucking matter. 0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:52.600 And to me, I'm like, this guy's raped too, Like 0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:55.560 why are we not investigating this old man? And Barba 0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:57.440 is sitting and he's so rude. He goes, what's your 0:50:57.480 --> 0:51:00.279 occupation and he goes, I think of myself is a 0:51:00.280 --> 0:51:03.200 man of God. And he goes, well, I see you 0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:06.080 as a private security guard who works at a topless 0:51:06.080 --> 0:51:08.680 to night club called Bunnies. And he goes, well, no, 0:51:09.400 --> 0:51:12.200 I work for a security company. And they tell him 0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:15.000 where to report and he goes, well, you've reported to 0:51:15.000 --> 0:51:17.960 the same place and one hundred percent of your income 0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:21.160 is from Bunnies. Is that not true? And he goes, 0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:24.480 you preach for free, right, it's a hobby. And Barbara 0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:27.759 stands up, leans both hands on the table and like 0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:31.960 the old guy, IY is stunned and humiliated, and his 0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:35.160 hairdoo is also very Roger Rabbit, bad guy like split 0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:39.920 up top situation, and Barbara goes some men golf, some 0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:42.920 men collect wine, and you preach and he goes, I 0:51:43.000 --> 0:51:44.840 preach because I have a desire to help others and 0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:49.080 I'm good at it and whatever. Barbara is like, you 0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:52.080 have a dot com certificate. No one gives a shit. 0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:54.960 So now it's a Benson Barbara walk and talk and 0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:57.880 they're losing and Benson's fuming. The judge went with it, 0:51:58.000 --> 0:52:00.560 case law case law, YadA YadA. The DNA is out, 0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:04.640 the victims, everything's out, and I'm like, but I disagree 0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:06.080 with this, like what is actually going wrong? 0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:07.280 And then Barbara does prove. 0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:09.160 Me wrong and he's right, and I get it now 0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:13.440 because if it wasn't for Nick's improper disclosure, we wouldn't 0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:15.880 have even known who he was or what he looked like. 0:52:16.320 --> 0:52:18.960 So that's why the photo and the IDs are no good. 0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:21.719 So they have nothing. So now I kind of get it. 0:52:23.520 --> 0:52:25.400 So now it's like, can we use anyone else in 0:52:25.440 --> 0:52:28.160 the therapy group, you know? But Barbara goes, well, they're 0:52:28.200 --> 0:52:31.440 all tainted, and Benson goes except for one will. He 0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:35.160 has no priors, his DNA match, no outstanding rape kits. 0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:37.279 He has a great job, and he looks like an 0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:40.239 eagle scout, you know. So we go to Grand Media Consulting. 0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:42.000 We go to talk to him. He's shocked to see them. 0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:45.080 He's obviously stressed. There's a young woman named Alison with him. 0:52:45.120 --> 0:52:47.480 She's wearing a flowy dress and a big chunky necklace, 0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:49.880 and he's like, oh, we work together. And he's in 0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:52.080 a short sleeve flannel with a vest on top, and 0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:54.880 he's startled. They do a classic like, oh, he's just 0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:57.439 a good Samaritan and we need his help. He's not happy. 0:52:57.480 --> 0:53:00.160 I keep saying the same thing. He's startled. He's not happy. Obviously, 0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:02.160 he's at work and he wants to rape. And the 0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:04.640 cops are here, and so they assure him. They're like, 0:53:04.680 --> 0:53:07.440 you're not a rapist, bro, And they're like, have you 0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:09.879 talked to adults and outside the meetings? And Chreasey goes, 0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:12.640 you don't owe him anything. He is a predator, he's 0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:16.160 everything that you're working so hard not to become. That's 0:53:16.200 --> 0:53:18.960 good crazy, and he goes, but if you protect him, 0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:21.040 he will do it again and that rape will be 0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:24.920 on you, okay, and he goes, fine, fine. We have 0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:27.320 coffee once at a diner and he said that the 0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:30.520 victims enjoy it. And then now we're directly in Barba's 0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:34.480 fancy pants office and he discloses to like everybody, that 0:53:34.640 --> 0:53:37.160 he wanted to punch you know, Sam in the face, 0:53:37.200 --> 0:53:39.560 but he didn't. He's really scary and he goes, you know, 0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:42.719 and I'm not that tough. Barba asks if he told 0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:44.680 him that he raped three women, and he goes, correct, 0:53:44.760 --> 0:53:46.879 and nobody was around. It was just the two of us. 0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:49.600 So they call the three victims back. The case is 0:53:49.640 --> 0:53:53.000 back on, let's testify, let's go to court. Think you will, 0:53:53.040 --> 0:53:56.280 you're saving the case, and Benson nods at him in approval. 0:53:56.760 --> 0:53:59.120 Barba is presenting to the jury and has the three 0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:02.439 victims photo on the screen and says the evidence is overwhelming, 0:54:03.040 --> 0:54:06.960 and so you know, he's sitting at the table squirming, 0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:10.439 and Barbara goes, that's a violent and impulsive man. Fuck him. 0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:13.880 Heizzed everywhere. They're like, we found the ji's on the victim, 0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:18.000 in the victim everywhere, and Barbara is a very night stalker. 0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:24.800 And Barbara, I did it. Barbara is crushing his opening statement. 0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:29.760 He's going for full extent of the law tense music. 0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:33.320 The women testify, they give the details of the attacks, 0:54:33.360 --> 0:54:35.359 they point his ass out, and the defense, of course, 0:54:35.480 --> 0:54:37.759 is being like the worst, you know, like discrediting all 0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:42.480 the women, nitpicking little pieces. Barbara is getting frustrated and 0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:46.120 in a rage listening. I'm in a rage too. One 0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:48.720 was drunk and she's like, I had four glasses of wine, 0:54:48.800 --> 0:54:51.600 Like shut the fuck up. So now we call Will 0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:54.520 onto the stand. Rollins opens the door though and shakes 0:54:54.520 --> 0:54:56.360 her head. Will is nowhere to be found, so we 0:54:56.400 --> 0:54:58.680 need a break. The judge gives it to him. So 0:54:58.719 --> 0:55:00.799 they're calling him. He's not picking up, he's not at work, 0:55:00.800 --> 0:55:01.960 he's not at his apartment. 0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:04.959 Where is he? We have no case without him. 0:55:05.400 --> 0:55:07.360 So Cariese and Barbara I have a fight in the 0:55:07.400 --> 0:55:10.640 courthouse halls and it's like a big dick situation. I 0:55:10.680 --> 0:55:13.080 think Careese's in law school at this point. So then 0:55:13.160 --> 0:55:17.319 Careese says something of like oh, I understand, and Barbara goes, 0:55:17.400 --> 0:55:21.239 I don't care if you understand, and they get like, 0:55:21.840 --> 0:55:23.719 I don't know where you're not kind of attracted to 0:55:23.800 --> 0:55:27.080 Careese and his aggressiveness in the halls, or like I 0:55:27.080 --> 0:55:29.160 feel like you think he's a dope and a loser. 0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:31.200 But he kind of got like it kind of got 0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:32.160 heated and hot. 0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:35.560 Well, I just felt like he was like I handed 0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:37.560 you a perfect case. And it's like Barbara didn't really 0:55:37.640 --> 0:55:40.919 do anything wrong. So I don't know why you're getting 0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:42.520 so mad at him. Well, because he goes, I don't 0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:43.680 care what you understand. 0:55:44.960 --> 0:55:47.839 Yeah, because Caresee is just like a dork, right, Like 0:55:47.840 --> 0:55:48.360 that's what you know. 0:55:48.400 --> 0:55:50.279 Crisey's like, oh I get it, Okay, I. 0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:52.840 Get the law, and then and then him being like 0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:54.520 I don't care if you get it or not, like 0:55:54.520 --> 0:55:56.400 no one cares about your little law prowess and that 0:55:56.440 --> 0:56:00.200 you're at fordom I went to Harvard, you know, like, oh, 0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:02.799 he's big timing. I think Barbara's big timing him and 0:56:02.840 --> 0:56:05.880 condescending him, and Carisy goes, you know what, motherfucker, Like 0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:08.480 we're the ones that are out there trying to get stuff. 0:56:08.520 --> 0:56:10.960 You fucked this up, like go fuck yourself, you know, 0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:13.960 like you lost it in court, you threw you got 0:56:13.960 --> 0:56:16.240 this throw out, and now you're giving it to us. 0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:18.680 So I kind of like it. You know what else 0:56:18.760 --> 0:56:20.120 is hot? And this is crazy? You know, I've been 0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:23.080 in my like Tricksy and caughtya a moment. There was 0:56:23.120 --> 0:56:26.239 an episode where Trixie's wearing a Bucky's sweatsuit. 0:56:26.600 --> 0:56:28.960 Oh, I see, I only listen. I never watch it, 0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:30.560 but go on nothing. 0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:35.960 I wanted to fuck him, like, I was like, Trixy 0:56:36.040 --> 0:56:37.879 is the hottest guy I've ever seen, and he had 0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:40.560 like a Bucky's beanie on, and. 0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:45.160 I was like, damn whatever. 0:56:45.440 --> 0:56:49.279 Barbara is condescending and Carasey's in a rage and I 0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:51.799 don't care. And so then now Rollins is chasing after 0:56:51.880 --> 0:56:54.600 Carisy on the courtroom steps and Crasy's like, I don't 0:56:54.600 --> 0:56:56.760 care about Barbara, but I gave him a good fucking 0:56:56.800 --> 0:56:58.719 case and he fucked it up, so like, shut the 0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:01.520 fuck up. So now we go to Will's friend Alice 0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:03.240 and she's like, I don't know where he is, maybe 0:57:03.239 --> 0:57:05.400 with the preacher, like they're clothes. So we got to 0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:07.759 go find the old man. And the old man is 0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:09.360 a motherfucker and He goes, yeah, I told him not 0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:11.279 to testify, and Rollins goes, are you out of your 0:57:11.280 --> 0:57:14.719 fucking mind? That's witness tampering. He goes, I'm trying to 0:57:14.880 --> 0:57:16.960 help him. So the old guy goes, yeah, but Will 0:57:17.000 --> 0:57:19.080 needs the group so he can't betray us or he'll 0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:20.840 have a fall out with us and chrease. He goes, 0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:23.520 well he can find an actual professional, how about that, 0:57:23.600 --> 0:57:26.760 and then Rollins pops off, fuck you, three women were 0:57:26.800 --> 0:57:29.240 rape genetics or not. This guy needs to be punished 0:57:29.240 --> 0:57:31.520 and we need Will for that, so fuck you and 0:57:31.560 --> 0:57:34.520 you better help us, and the old man obviously does, 0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:37.000 and we find Will on a roof he wants to jump. 0:57:37.320 --> 0:57:39.480 He goes, if I'm a good person, I'll just kill 0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:42.360 myself so I don't hurt an innocent woman. I'm twenty 0:57:42.400 --> 0:57:44.400 five and I never kissed a girl because I'm afraid 0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:46.360 of what I might do to her. And he can't 0:57:46.360 --> 0:57:49.600 suppress it anymore, and Rollin's goes, fuck mister Witt, And 0:57:49.640 --> 0:57:51.240 that's the first time I didn't call him old man. 0:57:51.280 --> 0:57:53.520 And I hope no one in his life is listening 0:57:53.520 --> 0:57:55.800 to this episode, and I hope he definitely does not 0:57:55.880 --> 0:57:56.640 hear a snippet. 0:57:56.720 --> 0:58:00.000 So mister Witt is not an actual prof. 0:58:01.520 --> 0:58:05.040 And yeah, that's that's what everyone needs to Everyone needs 0:58:05.040 --> 0:58:08.200 to get a real clinical sex therapist in that group. 0:58:08.480 --> 0:58:11.720 They cannot be meeting in carpets. This guy, though, has not. 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:14.040 He says he's never even kissed a girl, so it's 0:58:14.040 --> 0:58:17.320 like he just has maybe thoughts that have been put 0:58:17.360 --> 0:58:21.200 in his head by these guys. Yeah that it's like, 0:58:21.200 --> 0:58:23.760 then everybody that's related to a rapist, this is gonna 0:58:23.800 --> 0:58:25.680 this is just gonna happen, so you might as well 0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:28.080 try to like head it off at the past when 0:58:28.120 --> 0:58:33.160 it's like it also cannot happen, you know, like, yeah, he's. 0:58:33.000 --> 0:58:34.600 Like I have the gene. You can't do the g 0:58:34.720 --> 0:58:35.640 and the gene increase. 0:58:35.880 --> 0:58:38.720 Yahs are like trying to help him, but you know 0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:41.920 what they need, you know what they need. Benson comes 0:58:41.920 --> 0:58:46.280 walking in. Her dad's a rapist and she's about to connect. 0:58:46.640 --> 0:58:49.120 So she tells him my father was a rapist. I've 0:58:49.120 --> 0:58:51.200 been dealing with it my whole life, but that doesn't 0:58:51.240 --> 0:58:53.840 make me bad or evil? How do the stories and 0:58:53.880 --> 0:58:57.880 group make you feel? Rollin's ads and he says, absolutely disgusted, 0:58:58.080 --> 0:59:01.320 And they're like that's good. Your repulse by it. That's 0:59:01.360 --> 0:59:04.320 good because you're not a rapist. Okay, will you're good? 0:59:04.720 --> 0:59:06.480 And he's thinking about it and he has fur on 0:59:06.520 --> 0:59:09.960 the hood. I'm like, did they run out of jackets? 0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:12.440 Like? Why are they giving him a fur lined hood? 0:59:12.480 --> 0:59:15.160 Do men wear them? Maybe I'm being rude, Like I'm 0:59:15.160 --> 0:59:20.000 being rude. Okay, so creasey to me. Cursey pulls him 0:59:20.040 --> 0:59:22.000 down and tells him he's okay and hugs him. 0:59:22.160 --> 0:59:22.919 Now they're in court. 0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:25.760 He testifies Sam told him it's okay to assault and 0:59:25.840 --> 0:59:28.360 rape women as long as you ask for forgiveness. After 0:59:29.000 --> 0:59:32.000 he told him he was wrong, that raping someone is horrible, 0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:34.480 and Sam smiled and goes, well, you just don't get it, 0:59:34.880 --> 0:59:36.960 and that the women enjoy it. And he said that 0:59:37.040 --> 0:59:39.480 he did rape three women. And it cuts to everyone's faces. 0:59:39.560 --> 0:59:42.800 Everyone has an emotion. And now Benson and Barbara they're outside. 0:59:42.840 --> 0:59:46.400 They're having thoughts about the urges and warnings omens. Something's 0:59:46.440 --> 0:59:47.200 bads to come. 0:59:47.240 --> 0:59:47.560 Whatever. 0:59:47.600 --> 0:59:49.760 We get a phone call and we know what it is. 0:59:49.880 --> 0:59:53.520 No NOFL no FL. He cut his knee. Okay, well 0:59:53.720 --> 0:59:57.800 cut his knee, so he must be a rapist. So 0:59:57.920 --> 1:00:00.880 now Noah's in bed, and he says, hi, mommy, and 1:00:00.920 --> 1:00:02.920 she gives him a cute good night and says, I 1:00:02.960 --> 1:00:07.040 love you no matter what, No matter what, Noah, even 1:00:07.160 --> 1:00:11.480 if you rape JK. Good night, sweet boy. She closes 1:00:11.520 --> 1:00:13.720 the door and we cut to Noah's sleeping and Benson 1:00:13.760 --> 1:00:17.000 looks worried. She looks worried, and it's dick Wolf baby 1:00:17.800 --> 1:00:22.400 and it's Toddler Noah, the only Noah that we like that. 1:00:22.600 --> 1:00:26.240 I like, he's our favorite, but I Baby Noah's fine too. 1:00:26.320 --> 1:00:30.919 I like baby Noah's fine, but I like Toddler Noah. 1:00:31.280 --> 1:00:31.760 Yeah. 1:00:31.920 --> 1:00:37.360 It's like, I don't really understand why this man Sam 1:00:37.400 --> 1:00:40.480 would be in this group. He doesn't seem very remorseful. 1:00:41.680 --> 1:00:45.600 He doesn't seem well because it exonerates him. So in 1:00:45.640 --> 1:00:47.480 his head he just asks for forgiveness. 1:00:47.520 --> 1:00:49.440 So if he goes and talks to these random man 1:00:49.440 --> 1:00:51.000 and a warehouse, that's the forgiveness. 1:00:51.120 --> 1:00:51.400 Yeah. 1:00:51.560 --> 1:00:53.400 Like to him, it's like, oh, well, I'm trying to 1:00:53.440 --> 1:00:56.080 get better, so that's all that matters is I'm trying. 1:00:57.000 --> 1:00:59.120 These people enjoy it, so it does. I don't know, 1:00:59.120 --> 1:01:01.600 You're right, why would he be in the group? Yeah, 1:01:01.680 --> 1:01:02.040 I don't know. 1:01:02.080 --> 1:01:04.160 He doesn't seem like he's trying very hard to stop, 1:01:04.520 --> 1:01:07.960 and he's like really cocky and shitty with the cops. 1:01:08.000 --> 1:01:10.680 Like a thick steak, you know, like I don't. I 1:01:10.680 --> 1:01:12.840 don't like him. I also don't like a thick steak. 1:01:12.880 --> 1:01:17.480 I don't like a finlay. I like a prime rib. Okay, 1:01:19.280 --> 1:01:20.240 I don't know the difference. 1:01:21.840 --> 1:01:23.080 I'm so BHere. Oh my god. 1:01:23.760 --> 1:01:26.680 Last night before bed, I was zooming in and reading 1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:30.040 the menu. I don't know why I was zooming in though, whatever. 1:01:30.120 --> 1:01:32.760 I read the full menu of Travis Kelsey's steakhouse. 1:01:33.360 --> 1:01:34.520 He has a steakhouse. 1:01:34.680 --> 1:01:38.480 Him and Patrick Mahomes just opened a steakhouse in the 1:01:38.520 --> 1:01:40.440 Lowe's Hotel in Kansas City. 1:01:40.880 --> 1:01:43.320 I'm gonna make a reservation for February. You know it. 1:01:43.520 --> 1:01:44.959 I'm already picking out what I'm saying. 1:01:45.600 --> 1:01:48.360 Okay, there's a dress code. 1:01:48.600 --> 1:01:51.120 WHOA, that's cool. 1:01:51.560 --> 1:01:54.080 I love a good steakhouse as a as a vegetarian, 1:01:54.640 --> 1:01:56.480 love the sides as a pescatarian. 1:01:56.480 --> 1:01:58.919 They usually have a great piece of fish. I like steakhouses. 1:01:59.320 --> 1:01:59.880 I do too. 1:02:06.840 --> 1:02:11.120 Okay, let's get into the true crime now, I know. 1:02:11.160 --> 1:02:15.440 I'm curious. Is a carpet cleaning manufacturing business involved in No. 1:02:15.760 --> 1:02:18.240 Unfortunately, not a carpet warehouse to be seen. 1:02:18.480 --> 1:02:21.880 But like I said, I mentioned on this podcast a 1:02:21.920 --> 1:02:23.680 long time ago that I did have sex at a 1:02:23.920 --> 1:02:28.040 perfume factory once in New York. I wonder if that's 1:02:28.080 --> 1:02:33.960 what started all of this allergy stuff with the fragrances. 1:02:35.240 --> 1:02:35.880 Kicked it off. 1:02:37.400 --> 1:02:42.160 That's kind of fun, and I guess there's I guess 1:02:42.160 --> 1:02:45.680 there's like a trend where someone sent me, like, uh, 1:02:45.800 --> 1:02:47.960 to have a party and the theme is you dress 1:02:48.080 --> 1:02:48.720 like your type. 1:02:49.840 --> 1:02:51.919 I like, that's pretty fun, and I'm like, I guess 1:02:51.960 --> 1:02:52.680 that would be comfortable. 1:02:52.720 --> 1:02:53.920 And then I'm like, would I just be wearing a 1:02:54.000 --> 1:02:57.120 UPS outfit and that was probably USPS. 1:02:57.280 --> 1:03:01.040 I think I'd show up as a mailman. Love it? 1:03:01.400 --> 1:03:01.880 Love it? 1:03:02.600 --> 1:03:07.040 Okay, So this episode True Crime, like I said, I mean, 1:03:07.040 --> 1:03:10.240 the episode's called Genes. They talk a lot about the genetics, 1:03:10.720 --> 1:03:14.919 but really there is no proof that there is any 1:03:15.000 --> 1:03:18.120 kind of gene like this, and they don't mention it 1:03:18.160 --> 1:03:20.919 in the show. And then there's it basically just turns 1:03:20.960 --> 1:03:23.600 into a nature versus nurture debate, which you could debate 1:03:23.680 --> 1:03:24.280 all day. 1:03:24.120 --> 1:03:25.480 Long and I'm not going to do that. 1:03:26.320 --> 1:03:29.360 The case that this is based on the specific case 1:03:29.640 --> 1:03:33.280 they actually reference. In the episode, Barbara brings up Paul Cox. 1:03:33.760 --> 1:03:36.400 He says that name, and this is the story of 1:03:36.480 --> 1:03:36.959 that case. 1:03:37.040 --> 1:03:37.760 That's so interesting. 1:03:37.800 --> 1:03:39.320 I heard him say it and I went, I'm going 1:03:39.400 --> 1:03:41.800 to pretend it didn't I didn't hear it. Yeah, that's 1:03:41.800 --> 1:03:45.680 for me. I can't believe that's the crime. I was like, oh, 1:03:45.720 --> 1:03:47.959 I should look this up, but just yeah, no, I 1:03:47.960 --> 1:03:49.720 ignore it from my notes. 1:03:49.920 --> 1:03:51.919 And it's like, no, this is like, this is good. 1:03:51.920 --> 1:03:53.920 I mean, this is I had not heard of this case. 1:03:54.200 --> 1:03:57.400 And this is also called the Blackout murders. I do 1:03:57.520 --> 1:03:59.400 know Karen and Georgia covered this A lot of you 1:03:59.480 --> 1:04:02.720 like to tell me and when Karen or Georgia covers 1:04:02.720 --> 1:04:04.640 the case, And yes, they have done this one as well. 1:04:05.080 --> 1:04:10.600 But on December thirtieth of nineteen eighty eight, Paul Cox 1:04:10.840 --> 1:04:13.160 was twenty one years old. He went out drinking with 1:04:13.280 --> 1:04:15.920 friends in Westchester County, New York. This is all taking 1:04:15.960 --> 1:04:18.320 place pretty close to where I grew up, like just 1:04:18.480 --> 1:04:21.160 you know, right outside the city, like not that far 1:04:21.200 --> 1:04:24.480 from the Connecticut border. After a lot of drinks, they 1:04:24.480 --> 1:04:27.240 had a lot of drinks. They were drinking pictures, mixed drinks, 1:04:27.280 --> 1:04:30.160 He and his friends got in Paul's car and then 1:04:30.200 --> 1:04:32.360 he like drove into a fucking tree or he drove 1:04:32.400 --> 1:04:34.480 into like an embankment or something like that. He crashed 1:04:34.480 --> 1:04:37.360 his mom's car, and then his friends were like, we're 1:04:37.400 --> 1:04:39.200 going back to the bar, and he's like, I'm going 1:04:39.240 --> 1:04:42.360 to keep walking and I'm going to walk home at 1:04:42.400 --> 1:04:43.280 two am. 1:04:43.360 --> 1:04:44.600 So now it's December thirty. 1:04:44.600 --> 1:04:46.800 First it's New Year's Eve of nineteen eighty eight, but 1:04:47.320 --> 1:04:51.360 it's the morning of it. He passes his old childhood 1:04:51.360 --> 1:04:54.840 home in Larchmont, New York, which his parents had sold 1:04:54.960 --> 1:04:57.240 over a decade earlier. He had not lived in that 1:04:57.280 --> 1:04:59.720 house since he was like seven years old or something 1:04:59.720 --> 1:05:04.360 like that. Yeah, And in the midst of an alcoholic blackout, 1:05:04.800 --> 1:05:08.840 he breaks into the home. He takes a knife from 1:05:08.840 --> 1:05:12.240 the home and he stabbed the new occupants to death. 1:05:12.520 --> 1:05:16.960 Oh my god, yes, and then he slits their throats. 1:05:17.440 --> 1:05:23.080 And the victims are doctor lakshman Rau Chervu and doctor 1:05:23.160 --> 1:05:28.640 Shanta Chervu, a married couple Indian immigrants, super hard working, 1:05:28.840 --> 1:05:31.640 had like come to America and just like made the 1:05:31.680 --> 1:05:34.240 American dream come true and had these kids that were 1:05:34.240 --> 1:05:37.160 really success and end up being really successful and doctors 1:05:37.160 --> 1:05:41.440 and stuff, and he's and they're just killed. Some articles 1:05:41.480 --> 1:05:43.120 I read said that he killed them in their sleep, 1:05:43.200 --> 1:05:47.200 but others said that she woke up saw him, he 1:05:47.320 --> 1:05:49.480 killed her, and then the husband woke up and he 1:05:49.560 --> 1:05:50.040 killed him. 1:05:50.080 --> 1:05:52.560 So I think they were awake, But it depends on 1:05:52.560 --> 1:05:53.439 what articles read. 1:05:54.360 --> 1:05:59.920 But the fucked up thing is he apparently none of 1:06:00.120 --> 1:06:03.560 that's fucked up. What's doubly fucked up, I guess I mean, 1:06:03.840 --> 1:06:06.680 is he thought he was killing his own parents. He 1:06:06.760 --> 1:06:09.320 was like he thought he was rage killing his own parents, 1:06:09.360 --> 1:06:12.240 Like I think he was back in his old childhood home. 1:06:12.280 --> 1:06:16.160 And apparently he's he grew up very privileged. 1:06:16.200 --> 1:06:16.680 This kid. 1:06:16.720 --> 1:06:18.840 I think he's from a family of I think five 1:06:18.920 --> 1:06:22.880 kids or something. He's dyslexic, so he's he's having a 1:06:22.880 --> 1:06:25.520 harder time in school, and apparently his parents are extremely 1:06:25.560 --> 1:06:28.440 critical over him about it, like they are harping on 1:06:28.520 --> 1:06:30.520 him all the time, and it made him develop like 1:06:30.560 --> 1:06:31.280 a hatred for. 1:06:31.280 --> 1:06:34.880 Them, and so he wasted. 1:06:34.960 --> 1:06:37.520 At twenty one, wanders in and says, these are my 1:06:37.640 --> 1:06:40.760 parents in their bedroom because that was their bedroom when 1:06:40.760 --> 1:06:44.080 he was really small. I don't know, And he left 1:06:44.120 --> 1:06:46.600 his fingerprints everywhere. He tried to clean up a bit, 1:06:46.640 --> 1:06:49.080 but he did leave his fingerprints places, but he had 1:06:49.120 --> 1:06:54.680 no record, and so the crime went unsolved for four years. No, yeah, 1:06:54.880 --> 1:06:56.560 no one could figure out who did this crime for 1:06:56.600 --> 1:06:58.840 four years. I mean again, this is late eighties. I 1:06:58.840 --> 1:07:02.320 don't know how much DNA being used yet, but blood 1:07:02.360 --> 1:07:05.320 at least like they're they're not nothing to compare it to. 1:07:05.880 --> 1:07:09.760 So he tried to clean up a little bit. He 1:07:09.880 --> 1:07:12.720 threw the knife into the Long Island Sound. He incinerated 1:07:12.760 --> 1:07:15.160 the clothes he was wearing the next morning. Okay, so 1:07:16.040 --> 1:07:19.720 two years go by, in nineteen ninety, he joined probably. 1:07:19.440 --> 1:07:23.200 Face Seattle like he got away with it, Yes. 1:07:23.080 --> 1:07:26.400 But he claims he has no memory of it, that 1:07:26.480 --> 1:07:27.520 it's a full blackout. 1:07:27.640 --> 1:07:29.600 Yeah, but why did he get rid of evidence then 1:07:29.800 --> 1:07:31.000 and clean stuff up? 1:07:31.600 --> 1:07:33.480 I think it's like he says, he woke up and 1:07:33.480 --> 1:07:35.240 he's covered in blood and he's like fuck, and he 1:07:35.360 --> 1:07:37.080 got like and he got rid of everything, but he 1:07:37.120 --> 1:07:42.400 doesn't remember doing it, allegedly fierating, incinerating. I know, I 1:07:42.440 --> 1:07:48.200 know exactly, I hear you. In nineteen ninety, he joins, aa. 1:07:48.360 --> 1:07:50.160 I mean I also think he had like a period 1:07:50.200 --> 1:07:53.360 of very heavy drinking for like at least five years. 1:07:53.720 --> 1:07:56.720 In A in nineteen ninety he starts, he joins AA, 1:07:57.080 --> 1:07:59.840 he starts sobering up, and it's at that point that 1:07:59.880 --> 1:08:03.920 he starts suffering from these very vivid, anxiety ridden dreams 1:08:04.800 --> 1:08:08.520 where he's having flashbacks that lead him to believe that 1:08:09.200 --> 1:08:10.960 he may have been the one that killed the chair 1:08:11.000 --> 1:08:14.080 of the family. Because in the morning there's even an 1:08:14.160 --> 1:08:16.720 article that said that in the morning he woke up 1:08:17.320 --> 1:08:19.840 when it was on the news, not the morning, but 1:08:19.880 --> 1:08:21.519 maybe the next day or whatever, and he was like, 1:08:21.560 --> 1:08:23.320 oh my god, mom and dad, look what happened at 1:08:23.320 --> 1:08:25.680 our old house. Like he called his family over, like 1:08:25.720 --> 1:08:29.320 he did not remember that he did it. And so 1:08:29.520 --> 1:08:32.000 as he's sobering up, all the shit starts coming back 1:08:32.000 --> 1:08:36.599 to him in flashbacks, and he starts he tells his girlfriend, 1:08:36.640 --> 1:08:39.479 he tells his sponsor, and at AA meetings he reveals 1:08:39.520 --> 1:08:43.200 it to as many as seven people that he thinks 1:08:43.240 --> 1:08:46.800 he might have committed these murders. Even though anonymity and 1:08:46.800 --> 1:08:53.680 confidentiality are core tenets of AA in nineteen ninety three, 1:08:53.760 --> 1:08:56.040 I can't find out whether it was one member or 1:08:56.120 --> 1:08:59.440 a couple of members of that AA group. Contact authorities 1:08:59.479 --> 1:09:01.439 and they tell them what Cox has said in these 1:09:01.479 --> 1:09:04.479 meetings about how he killed this couple, and he is 1:09:04.520 --> 1:09:08.400 eventually indicted for second degree murder. In nineteen ninety four, 1:09:08.479 --> 1:09:11.639 he stands trial for the murders, and the attorneys tried 1:09:11.680 --> 1:09:13.960 to argue that he was temporarily insane at the time 1:09:13.960 --> 1:09:16.200 of the crime, and they also try to get the 1:09:16.240 --> 1:09:19.840 testimony of his fellow AA members thrown out, arguing that 1:09:19.880 --> 1:09:22.080 the privilege is akin to that between a therapist or 1:09:22.120 --> 1:09:26.519 a clergyman. Almost wish that there was no privilege at all, 1:09:26.560 --> 1:09:29.240 Like I feel like, yes, you should be able to 1:09:29.280 --> 1:09:32.200 tell your therapist, but I think if you've committed a 1:09:32.200 --> 1:09:34.600 heinous crime, you have to live with it. You have 1:09:34.640 --> 1:09:36.360 to live with the secret inside of yourself. And you 1:09:36.360 --> 1:09:38.280 can tell anybody that you feel like you can trust, 1:09:38.280 --> 1:09:39.920 but that's you have to live with the fact that 1:09:39.960 --> 1:09:40.799 they could tell someone. 1:09:41.240 --> 1:09:41.680 I don't know. 1:09:41.840 --> 1:09:43.240 I just think I think it's so crazy you could 1:09:43.280 --> 1:09:46.200 just go to a priest and tell them that you 1:09:46.240 --> 1:09:50.000 did something and that they can't say anything like what. 1:09:50.560 --> 1:09:52.240 And I do think that there is a thing with 1:09:52.320 --> 1:09:54.720 a therapist where if you've harmed someone, I do think 1:09:54.720 --> 1:09:56.080 that they can tell But I don't know. 1:09:56.120 --> 1:09:59.080 Maybe not like if you're going to be a danger 1:09:59.120 --> 1:10:00.240 to yourself or others. 1:10:00.080 --> 1:10:05.640 Yourself for others, Yeah, yeah, But the judge denies the 1:10:05.680 --> 1:10:09.400 motion to exclude the AA member's testimony, and seven members 1:10:09.439 --> 1:10:13.040 of his AA group testified. But in the first trial, 1:10:13.240 --> 1:10:18.080 the jury is deadlocked eleven to one for murder conviction and. 1:10:18.040 --> 1:10:20.759 The eleven I bet it's another AA person or something. 1:10:21.280 --> 1:10:24.240 Well, the eleven jurors went to the judge and said, 1:10:24.240 --> 1:10:28.759 there's one person on the jury who is using emotion 1:10:28.920 --> 1:10:32.000 and not facts, and they won't change their mind. But 1:10:32.240 --> 1:10:37.280 they's the don't motion that this kid was drunk, and 1:10:37.360 --> 1:10:41.000 that he was temporarily insane, and that he had a 1:10:41.120 --> 1:10:43.439 tough childhood where his parents were mean to him for 1:10:43.479 --> 1:10:46.920 being dyslexic or whatever, and that he didn't. 1:10:46.800 --> 1:10:48.760 Knowingly know what he was doing when he did it. 1:10:48.800 --> 1:10:49.160 I don't know. 1:10:49.240 --> 1:10:52.000 I'm just I'm spitballing what this guy was thinking or girl. 1:10:52.040 --> 1:10:55.200 I don't know who this person was, this other juror, 1:10:55.280 --> 1:10:57.400 But it did end up in a mistrial because of 1:10:57.439 --> 1:10:58.120 a hung jury. 1:10:58.520 --> 1:11:01.599 Then he's a retried. They wasted no time. He's retried. 1:11:01.640 --> 1:11:04.320 Second trial takes place that same year and the motion 1:11:04.479 --> 1:11:08.160 to consider AA like a therapist and squash all that 1:11:08.200 --> 1:11:10.839 testimony is once again denied. 1:11:11.600 --> 1:11:13.160 And then in that. 1:11:13.080 --> 1:11:16.080 Second trial he's convicted of manslaughter. I don't know why 1:11:16.120 --> 1:11:19.479 the change in the charge, but he is sentenced to 1:11:19.720 --> 1:11:21.880 sixteen to fifty years in prison. 1:11:22.360 --> 1:11:23.840 So then that's ninety four. 1:11:23.920 --> 1:11:26.280 I think he goes into jail starting or he's already 1:11:26.280 --> 1:11:29.200 been in prison, but ninety five is his sentence or whatever. 1:11:29.680 --> 1:11:32.599 In two thousand and one, he's been in there six 1:11:32.680 --> 1:11:37.680 or seven years. A new judge, Judge Charles Bryant of 1:11:37.760 --> 1:11:41.560 the US District Court in White Plains, New York, overturns 1:11:41.600 --> 1:11:45.719 the manslaughter conviction, and the judge thought that Cox should 1:11:45.720 --> 1:11:48.280 not have been arrested based on the statements made in 1:11:48.320 --> 1:11:52.280 a religious context, with the understanding they would remain confidential. 1:11:52.800 --> 1:11:55.800 He also cited cases in which the courts have found 1:11:55.840 --> 1:11:59.200 that authorities cannot force prisoners or people on probation to 1:11:59.280 --> 1:12:03.479 attend AAMI meet because they are religious. So basically his 1:12:03.640 --> 1:12:06.799 logic is, if we consider this such a religious organization 1:12:06.880 --> 1:12:09.080 that we cannot mandate people to take to go to 1:12:09.120 --> 1:12:12.479 their meetings, then it is such a religious organization that 1:12:12.520 --> 1:12:14.280 their communication is privileged. 1:12:14.920 --> 1:12:16.839 That was this judge's feeling. 1:12:17.720 --> 1:12:20.040 Basically said, since the courts have found that AA is 1:12:20.040 --> 1:12:22.480 a religion for the purposes of church state separation. 1:12:22.760 --> 1:12:24.720 At the end of the day, if AA is seen 1:12:24.760 --> 1:12:27.120 as like a religious thing, it's like, yeah, all religions 1:12:27.120 --> 1:12:30.400 are bad and protect predators and protect criminals. 1:12:31.240 --> 1:12:32.639 So I'm not saying that's what I mean. 1:12:32.680 --> 1:12:34.720 I don't think there should almost be any protection to 1:12:34.800 --> 1:12:40.040 these people. But this guy says, yeah, since the courts 1:12:40.040 --> 1:12:42.840 have found AA is a religion for the purposes of 1:12:42.920 --> 1:12:45.799 church and state separation, they must also hold that quote 1:12:45.800 --> 1:12:49.120 disclosures of wrongs to fellow members as ordained by the 1:12:49.160 --> 1:12:52.719 twelve steps end quote of the AA program qualify as 1:12:52.760 --> 1:12:58.320 a privilege granted to other religions similarly situated. So AA 1:12:58.520 --> 1:13:02.400 is again though this guy in the episode, it's not AA. 1:13:02.600 --> 1:13:06.000 There's not God. This guy's a minister from some online chirt, 1:13:06.160 --> 1:13:08.439 like you know. I guess they do say a serenity 1:13:08.479 --> 1:13:11.080 prayer at the beginning, so maybe it is vaguely religious. 1:13:11.120 --> 1:13:15.080 But so apparently, Cox had to stay in jail until 1:13:15.080 --> 1:13:18.559 an appeal by Westchester eighty A Janine Piro was filed 1:13:19.000 --> 1:13:21.439 and in two thousand and two, a federal appeals court 1:13:21.640 --> 1:13:25.439 reinstated the conviction. They found that quote, Cox failed to 1:13:25.520 --> 1:13:28.360 establish that his communications to members of AA were made 1:13:28.400 --> 1:13:32.280 in confidence for the purpose of obtaining spiritual guidance end quote, 1:13:32.320 --> 1:13:34.519 Therefore they were not considered privilege under New York law. 1:13:34.800 --> 1:13:37.000 So the petition was dismissed and Cox had to serve 1:13:37.040 --> 1:13:41.240 a minimum of sixteen years, which from nineteen that would 1:13:41.280 --> 1:13:44.840 have been around twenty ten twenty eleven. When I looked 1:13:44.880 --> 1:13:46.800 him up in the inmate look up, it looked like 1:13:46.840 --> 1:13:48.960 he was eligible in twenty eleven, but that he did 1:13:48.960 --> 1:13:53.559 not get parole until March of twenty fifteen, which means 1:13:53.560 --> 1:13:56.320 he would have served about twenty years for these murders. Ay, 1:13:57.280 --> 1:13:59.559 and he think he's out, but then there's also a 1:13:59.560 --> 1:14:02.280 condition release date that was June of twenty twenty one, 1:14:02.680 --> 1:14:05.240 so I wasn't sure whether he got out then in 1:14:05.240 --> 1:14:07.840 twenty fifteen or twenty twenty one. Either way, he's out, 1:14:08.200 --> 1:14:12.320 And yeah, he's like fifty seven now or something like. 1:14:12.320 --> 1:14:14.000 I mean, I'm glad I served a lot of time. 1:14:14.560 --> 1:14:14.920 I am. 1:14:15.240 --> 1:14:18.000 I wish she didn't waste the court's time. But I 1:14:18.080 --> 1:14:23.800 just think it's like crazy that it's like you would say, oh, 1:14:23.840 --> 1:14:26.240 I told this group of people and I have an 1:14:26.320 --> 1:14:29.559 expectation of privacy as a murderer, Like I don't know 1:14:29.680 --> 1:14:31.559 you you did. 1:14:31.360 --> 1:14:34.000 Commit a murder. You murder in their sweep. 1:14:34.439 --> 1:14:37.320 Yeah, very cults because to me, it's like, yeah, if 1:14:37.360 --> 1:14:40.320 your organization tells you to ditch your kids or you're 1:14:40.360 --> 1:14:42.679 in a cult, or give all your money or whatever, 1:14:42.760 --> 1:14:45.360 and then this seems like it too. I can murder 1:14:45.400 --> 1:14:48.080 and you have to keep my secret. Like you're in 1:14:48.120 --> 1:14:50.120 a weird place. You're in a weird place. 1:14:50.160 --> 1:14:50.479 That's what. 1:14:50.960 --> 1:14:53.440 Yeah, that's what's so weird about the guy in the episode, 1:14:53.439 --> 1:14:58.360 the fucking Sam character. But you know, I think that 1:14:58.439 --> 1:15:01.240 guy Will got dragged in the wrong fucking cult. Like 1:15:01.240 --> 1:15:04.439 I don't necessarily think he says my urges, but it's like, 1:15:04.439 --> 1:15:05.679 you've never even kissed a girl? 1:15:06.200 --> 1:15:06.559 How many? 1:15:06.800 --> 1:15:08.200 Like what? Like I don't know. 1:15:08.200 --> 1:15:10.760 Maybe he's like I have vivid dreams about raping every night. 1:15:10.840 --> 1:15:13.360 That's different, you know, but he doesn't say that. Yeah, 1:15:13.360 --> 1:15:16.520 but he's gonna get actual help now, I hope. Yeah, 1:15:16.600 --> 1:15:17.120 I'd be good. 1:15:17.200 --> 1:15:19.240 But if it disgusts you, then you're not a like 1:15:19.240 --> 1:15:21.439 those guys get off on it right. What we see 1:15:21.479 --> 1:15:24.720 a lot with the creepy creeps is like they have 1:15:24.880 --> 1:15:27.320 their trophe fees and they like to revisit it. 1:15:27.439 --> 1:15:31.240 And it's a powerfect and they like it all right. 1:15:31.280 --> 1:15:35.959 But we have a great guest, so do not go anywhere. 1:15:43.520 --> 1:15:45.280 Our guest today is an actor who you may know 1:15:45.360 --> 1:15:48.639 from shows like Orange is the New Black, Inside, Amy Schumer, Weep, 1:15:48.760 --> 1:15:51.720 and The Marvelous Missus Masel just a few, like you know, 1:15:51.840 --> 1:15:55.160 barely watched shows. You may know him for his frequent 1:15:55.160 --> 1:15:57.760 appearances also on the Tonight Show, but you know him 1:15:57.800 --> 1:16:02.599 today as the genetically first rapist Nick Brown. Please enjoy 1:16:02.600 --> 1:16:06.160 our chat with the very funny Michael Torpie. Wait, Michael, 1:16:06.200 --> 1:16:09.799 I feel like we have met each other only because 1:16:10.080 --> 1:16:14.800 I was a page at NBC with Nelson Castro and 1:16:14.840 --> 1:16:18.280 then when he started Black twenty and you were in. 1:16:18.200 --> 1:16:19.439 The Black twenty stuff. 1:16:19.880 --> 1:16:22.200 Yeah, I was like, and I know, oh Gorman two, 1:16:22.280 --> 1:16:24.519 So I was like, I feel like amazing I met you. 1:16:24.600 --> 1:16:28.120 I went to high school with Jesse Cantrell. Actually yeah, 1:16:28.160 --> 1:16:30.559 so like, how are you woven in at like so 1:16:30.640 --> 1:16:33.720 much else? I can't tell whether I know you just 1:16:33.760 --> 1:16:37.720 from like UCB, like New York comedy stuff or like 1:16:37.800 --> 1:16:40.040 we've actually met before, but I. 1:16:40.000 --> 1:16:41.800 Mean we were over at NBC so much in those 1:16:41.800 --> 1:16:44.719 early days when when those guys are transitioning from pages 1:16:44.760 --> 1:16:48.200 to like actually having jobs, yeah, dot comedy, when NBC 1:16:48.360 --> 1:16:49.760 was like, we want to make a website. 1:16:49.920 --> 1:16:51.240 Oh my gosh, web series. 1:16:51.320 --> 1:16:52.880 I mean like when everybody was like, this is the 1:16:52.880 --> 1:16:55.320 pipeline to TV is to get a hit web series, 1:16:55.360 --> 1:16:57.880 and then like broad City did it, and then no one. 1:16:57.760 --> 1:17:01.639 Else correct, yes, correct, work did worked a one time. 1:17:01.840 --> 1:17:05.160 Yeah, but I'm sure I'm sure that because we were 1:17:05.160 --> 1:17:06.920 there all the time, and so many NBC page people 1:17:06.920 --> 1:17:08.400 were like helping us out, like starting that. 1:17:08.439 --> 1:17:12.160 Companion, like or at SNL after after parties or something, 1:17:12.200 --> 1:17:14.000 we probably saw each other or something. 1:17:14.080 --> 1:17:16.479 Absolutely, Oh that's funny. Yeah, it's so great. 1:17:16.520 --> 1:17:19.320 And then it's been fun to watch you do all 1:17:19.360 --> 1:17:23.640 these fun shows but also be terrifying in Oranges the 1:17:23.680 --> 1:17:24.200 New Black. 1:17:24.840 --> 1:17:27.479 Yeah, yeah, it's like people look at me and they 1:17:27.520 --> 1:17:29.479 either go, I think that guy's funny or I think 1:17:29.520 --> 1:17:32.080 he's terrifying in a creep and we should lean into 1:17:32.080 --> 1:17:32.720 that part of him. 1:17:33.200 --> 1:17:36.160 Yeah, you're the the gun that was like the cliffhanger. 1:17:36.200 --> 1:17:37.639 It was like the gun to your Yeah. 1:17:37.800 --> 1:17:40.960 Yeah, and we're going into the whole takeover of the prison, 1:17:41.240 --> 1:17:43.320 I mean, and it was wild. I mean the mouse 1:17:43.360 --> 1:17:46.200 is obviously the more haunting of it all, but correct. 1:17:46.360 --> 1:17:51.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah, worse yelling at you in the subway 1:17:52.040 --> 1:17:53.120 during that time. 1:17:53.320 --> 1:17:56.920 You know, they were not being the more disturbing stuff 1:17:56.960 --> 1:17:59.000 with the people that were like, hey, what's up. And 1:17:59.000 --> 1:18:00.920 I'm like, I'm like, you should not be into my 1:18:01.120 --> 1:18:06.320 character at all at all. He's horrible. But more people 1:18:06.320 --> 1:18:07.880 would be like why why do I know you? And 1:18:07.920 --> 1:18:09.880 I'd be like, you're making a weird face. I think 1:18:09.920 --> 1:18:13.280 you think you should hate me. Yeah, here's why, and 1:18:13.720 --> 1:18:14.839 it's an appropriate feeling. 1:18:15.240 --> 1:18:15.800 Yeah. 1:18:16.160 --> 1:18:17.720 So a lot of people that we talked to are 1:18:17.720 --> 1:18:19.519 like I can always tell by the kind of person 1:18:19.600 --> 1:18:22.400 that approaches me what they know me from. Like, if 1:18:22.400 --> 1:18:24.200 you're coming at me, it's like they know me from 1:18:24.240 --> 1:18:26.559 being like a psycho. But if they are, like they 1:18:26.600 --> 1:18:28.719 know me from being in a Pixar thing or whatever, 1:18:28.800 --> 1:18:33.120 you know, Like, but yeah, because you on SVU, like 1:18:33.160 --> 1:18:36.360 we're talking today about your role as Nick Brown, where 1:18:36.400 --> 1:18:40.240 you're this you know, kind of like sheepish rapist, I 1:18:40.240 --> 1:18:44.120 would say, and like, but then you're also then, like 1:18:44.320 --> 1:18:47.000 just last season, you play like a real stand up 1:18:47.040 --> 1:18:49.519 guy just trying to date, like just a professor trying 1:18:49.520 --> 1:18:52.479 to date another like or therapist or addition another therapists. 1:18:52.680 --> 1:18:55.320 Yeah, and clearly casting knows your range. 1:18:55.680 --> 1:18:58.160 Yeah, but because of your previous work, I was suspicious 1:18:58.200 --> 1:19:01.520 of you immediately, and me too, I was waiting. 1:19:01.200 --> 1:19:01.800 For the turn. 1:19:02.040 --> 1:19:05.720 I was waiting literally doctor Gary Schwartz to have orchestrated 1:19:05.720 --> 1:19:07.120 the entire attack. 1:19:08.040 --> 1:19:10.439 I mean, many people think he should have. I'm open 1:19:10.560 --> 1:19:12.680 to bringing the role back and having that be the 1:19:12.720 --> 1:19:15.760 reveal that I actually I did do it and I 1:19:15.880 --> 1:19:17.840 almost got a wait with it, but no. 1:19:17.880 --> 1:19:20.080 Yeah, gory hear, he's the fake out. 1:19:20.200 --> 1:19:22.040 Do you watch that? But do you watch what you're in? 1:19:22.200 --> 1:19:22.960 Do you watch stuff? 1:19:23.439 --> 1:19:26.200 Yeah? The eyes missing in that one was tough. 1:19:27.040 --> 1:19:30.800 Oh yeah yeah yeah, I rewatched last night and I 1:19:30.880 --> 1:19:32.479 really didn't like the missing eyes. 1:19:32.760 --> 1:19:34.800 No, super gross, super gross. 1:19:35.080 --> 1:19:37.639 So wait is your what was your first foray into 1:19:37.640 --> 1:19:38.719 the Dick World universe? 1:19:38.800 --> 1:19:43.280 Was it Chicago? PD? Uh? Yes? Yeah? 1:19:43.680 --> 1:19:46.000 Yeah, because that was this this this s few episode 1:19:46.080 --> 1:19:48.280 was like was a twenty later. 1:19:48.400 --> 1:19:50.960 I think it was like in the twenty later later 1:19:51.040 --> 1:19:53.519 Team twenty seventeen in Chicago p D I. 1:19:53.479 --> 1:19:56.360 Think was twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. 1:19:56.640 --> 1:19:59.120 So did they just like they just like were like, hey, 1:19:59.160 --> 1:20:00.760 do you want to come play this? Did they send 1:20:00.760 --> 1:20:03.400 you the Jenes script? And you were like, no, I. 1:20:03.360 --> 1:20:07.160 Thought audition for all this stuff they will hand out. 1:20:08.160 --> 1:20:10.040 I'm surprised for S for You that you did, just 1:20:10.080 --> 1:20:12.519 because they already know you from PD and like I 1:20:12.520 --> 1:20:14.920 feel like once you're in they usually are like, oh, 1:20:14.960 --> 1:20:16.320 you'd be good for this or whatever. 1:20:16.439 --> 1:20:19.240 But yeah, no, all three, all three of my Dick Wolves. 1:20:19.320 --> 1:20:20.479 I gotta earn those roles. 1:20:20.560 --> 1:20:22.960 Yeah, damn, damn, damn. 1:20:23.040 --> 1:20:24.800 I got to learn those sides. I gotta tape that 1:20:24.840 --> 1:20:27.800 tape in my basement these days. 1:20:28.240 --> 1:20:30.120 I gotta get in front of a black white wall 1:20:30.439 --> 1:20:32.000 and send it in. 1:20:32.520 --> 1:20:37.280 Yes. So when you when your manager Adrient calls you, 1:20:37.360 --> 1:20:39.320 is like, Okay, you're gonna be this guy. You're a 1:20:39.400 --> 1:20:41.640 rapist for sure, but you have a gene for it, 1:20:41.720 --> 1:20:42.559 Like what are you thinking? 1:20:42.800 --> 1:20:44.519 You get this like audition? 1:20:44.760 --> 1:20:46.880 When you get the script and you're like seeing all 1:20:47.000 --> 1:20:49.200 how this is all gonna play out? 1:20:49.439 --> 1:20:52.400 This was I mean, no, no shade to like S 1:20:52.439 --> 1:20:55.960 for You, but like these lines were tough, you know, 1:20:56.240 --> 1:20:59.599 like to be like I was born to be a rapist? 1:21:00.200 --> 1:21:02.519 Tough line. That's a tough one. 1:21:03.640 --> 1:21:05.080 The idea of like you're on set and they're like, 1:21:05.080 --> 1:21:06.519 can we go again from I was Born to be 1:21:06.520 --> 1:21:07.000 a rapist? 1:21:07.080 --> 1:21:11.519 Can we can you hit rapists a little harder? Yeah? 1:21:11.560 --> 1:21:14.800 My buddy saw this episode when it aired and he 1:21:14.840 --> 1:21:19.080 immediately like rewound it and videotaped me saying those lines 1:21:19.120 --> 1:21:22.040 on his phone and he will just he'll just send 1:21:22.080 --> 1:21:22.519 it to me. 1:21:23.040 --> 1:21:25.120 Randomly, and he's like, you have no. 1:21:25.000 --> 1:21:27.639 Idea, what a gift this is that like, at any moment, 1:21:28.080 --> 1:21:30.879 I can send you video of yourself saying these words. 1:21:33.240 --> 1:21:34.240 And how did it feel? 1:21:34.360 --> 1:21:34.439 Like? 1:21:34.479 --> 1:21:36.560 Where did you guys film those meetings? 1:21:37.800 --> 1:21:40.800 When they arrest me? This was weird and I don't 1:21:40.800 --> 1:21:43.519 think normal. But we were shooting in an office that 1:21:43.760 --> 1:21:48.800 was still functioning like they did not. It wasn't like 1:21:48.840 --> 1:21:51.360 they had blocked off this whole building. It wasn't some ability. 1:21:51.360 --> 1:21:53.599 But he gets the day off, stay working ignored. 1:21:54.320 --> 1:21:59.040 Literally they like cleaned out, like these five desks already 1:21:59.080 --> 1:22:00.559 go over here, so like I'm doing this and there 1:22:00.560 --> 1:22:02.920 are people like doing their work nearby. 1:22:03.360 --> 1:22:04.760 It was incredibly weird. 1:22:05.000 --> 1:22:07.160 But how are they not distracted? I would stop typing 1:22:07.160 --> 1:22:09.040 for a moment and watch they. 1:22:08.880 --> 1:22:09.400 May have been. 1:22:09.479 --> 1:22:11.200 It was such a tight shot. It was really just 1:22:11.240 --> 1:22:13.400 like in my Little Cuba. Yeah, so it kept they 1:22:13.520 --> 1:22:15.719 kept the top the shot very small. Do you remember 1:22:15.720 --> 1:22:17.360 industry what they were doing? 1:22:18.479 --> 1:22:21.280 Suits? Suits, suits and desks cubicle. 1:22:22.479 --> 1:22:26.679 Okay, wait, I'm obsessed with that scene because your character 1:22:26.760 --> 1:22:30.479 is such a bad liar, Like you're just like, oh, 1:22:30.560 --> 1:22:32.800 I found out from another guy who works at the bar, 1:22:33.000 --> 1:22:35.360 like you just like you really did play him really well. 1:22:35.400 --> 1:22:37.600 And then you're just like I did it. It was me. 1:22:38.160 --> 1:22:40.919 I fold so quick, it's so faut, like maybe. 1:22:40.680 --> 1:22:43.320 The fastest fold in SPU history. They didn't even get 1:22:43.400 --> 1:22:46.479 you into the dark interrogation. No, correct, No, but it's 1:22:46.479 --> 1:22:48.400 a genetic disposition. So I really, you know, I had 1:22:48.439 --> 1:22:50.240 to come clean. It's just who I am, right, It's 1:22:50.360 --> 1:22:51.599 just just who I was. 1:22:51.920 --> 1:22:53.880 I mean, we can take an SVU break and we 1:22:53.960 --> 1:22:57.280 can talk about VEEP if you'd like to. 1:22:57.479 --> 1:22:59.720 I can chat anything with y'all. Love. 1:23:00.240 --> 1:23:02.880 Oh my god, was that fun? And it was the 1:23:02.920 --> 1:23:05.080 convention episode. I mean, you were really there for some 1:23:05.120 --> 1:23:05.759 fun days. 1:23:05.840 --> 1:23:08.400 I did, Yeah, I did, Like I think four episodes 1:23:08.439 --> 1:23:09.920 of that season before I got dumped. 1:23:09.960 --> 1:23:10.639 It was a blast. 1:23:10.640 --> 1:23:15.080 It was an absolute blast, a room of monster comedy, 1:23:15.120 --> 1:23:18.960 heavy hitters, like just so solid and the most fun 1:23:19.000 --> 1:23:22.160 process that I've ever been a part of in terms 1:23:22.200 --> 1:23:25.240 of TV, because they treat it like they treat it 1:23:25.280 --> 1:23:28.920 more like a play. So like before anything, I went 1:23:28.920 --> 1:23:33.040 out to LA. This is when it still shot in Baltimore. 1:23:33.439 --> 1:23:36.280 But I went out to LA and they just had 1:23:36.320 --> 1:23:40.400 like a hotel ballroom and they set up chairs and 1:23:40.439 --> 1:23:42.559 we just we read it and then we stood up 1:23:42.560 --> 1:23:44.280 and we walked it through, and then we put the 1:23:44.280 --> 1:23:46.640 scripts down and did all sorts of different stuff. It 1:23:46.720 --> 1:23:50.040 just played through it, and because Julia Louis Dreyfuss and 1:23:50.120 --> 1:23:54.439 Tony Hale are brilliant, you get to organically see them 1:23:54.840 --> 1:23:58.600 workout beats and find new moments that like are not 1:23:58.680 --> 1:24:00.839 there in the script. Like there's in one of those episodes, 1:24:00.880 --> 1:24:05.000 there's a great moment where it's when I'm rehearsing my 1:24:05.160 --> 1:24:07.519 kiss with Catherine. We're like trying to figure out how 1:24:07.560 --> 1:24:09.360 to do this kiss at the convention, and we don't 1:24:09.400 --> 1:24:11.599 know how to kiss each other. We're very awkward, and 1:24:11.640 --> 1:24:15.160 they find this moment in rehearsal where Julie Louis Dreyfus 1:24:15.200 --> 1:24:18.120 turns to Tony's character and says, like, how hard is 1:24:18.160 --> 1:24:18.920 it to do a kiss? 1:24:18.960 --> 1:24:19.120 Right? 1:24:19.160 --> 1:24:21.080 And he leans over to her and he's like, I know, right, 1:24:21.400 --> 1:24:23.599 and they just like lingered there for just long enough 1:24:23.640 --> 1:24:26.760 where he gets convinced that maybe she's gonna kiss him, 1:24:27.120 --> 1:24:29.280 but like that is not in the script. That just 1:24:29.320 --> 1:24:32.240 came from them sitting, you know, close enough on a 1:24:32.240 --> 1:24:34.280 couple of chairs in a hotel ballroom to be like, 1:24:34.560 --> 1:24:36.880 you know, no, no, and then some like you knew 1:24:37.000 --> 1:24:39.560 she saw it and was like huh, like hey, yeah, 1:24:39.600 --> 1:24:41.920 like that you almost did you think she was gonna 1:24:41.960 --> 1:24:43.559 kiss you? And he's like I did, and he's like 1:24:43.600 --> 1:24:46.439 play that like that that's a thing, and that you 1:24:46.479 --> 1:24:49.160 don't You don't have that time unless you're working on 1:24:49.280 --> 1:24:52.559 like an HBO comedy that has all this money, because 1:24:52.560 --> 1:24:55.439 every other show you get the job, you show up, 1:24:55.520 --> 1:24:57.920 they're like, let's read the lines, let's shoot that your coverage. 1:24:57.960 --> 1:25:00.679 You're done, have a great day. You know, it's super fast. 1:25:00.760 --> 1:25:02.640 So to have that time to go in advance and 1:25:02.680 --> 1:25:04.720 like really treat it like a play and find all 1:25:04.720 --> 1:25:06.439 these moments was so much. 1:25:06.280 --> 1:25:10.000 Fun and how much time from rehearsal to shooting is there. 1:25:10.840 --> 1:25:13.080 There were weeks we went out, we went out to 1:25:13.520 --> 1:25:15.200 Yeah in Ellie, I think they'll I think they had 1:25:15.240 --> 1:25:17.240 the first two episodes written at that time, so we 1:25:17.320 --> 1:25:19.320 just did it for those like first two to get 1:25:19.320 --> 1:25:24.080 the season rolling and then everything else was I guess 1:25:24.080 --> 1:25:27.000 more standard and that you know you'd have the script, 1:25:27.040 --> 1:25:29.160 but they they still give you so much room to 1:25:29.200 --> 1:25:33.559 play on set, and they kind of have to because 1:25:33.600 --> 1:25:39.040 like that show, the effects, it's it's brilliant and the 1:25:39.080 --> 1:25:41.920 tone is always spot on, but the script changes all 1:25:41.960 --> 1:25:43.800 the time. Like I've never been on a show before 1:25:43.840 --> 1:25:47.200 where I'd be nervous to go to bed because I 1:25:47.240 --> 1:25:50.040 was like, I think revisions are still coming in, like yeah, 1:25:50.520 --> 1:25:51.040 like I've. 1:25:50.920 --> 1:25:52.040 Got to be up at eight am. 1:25:52.400 --> 1:25:54.120 I'd like to go to bed now, But like da, 1:25:54.280 --> 1:25:55.920 I just got an email with a new script, and 1:25:55.920 --> 1:25:57.879 like I just feel like more are going to continue 1:25:57.920 --> 1:26:00.240 to come because they're just always playing. They're always with 1:26:00.280 --> 1:26:01.719 new bits. So I was trying to beat that joke 1:26:03.080 --> 1:26:05.360 so that they're always like fine tuning and finding, like 1:26:05.439 --> 1:26:07.639 let's let's go one more, let's get one bit, let's 1:26:07.640 --> 1:26:10.160 go a little bit harder with this, which is exhilarating, 1:26:10.200 --> 1:26:12.240 but it's also like it's a lot, it's a lot 1:26:12.280 --> 1:26:13.080 to like carry into. 1:26:13.200 --> 1:26:14.960 Like I just I just read this line. 1:26:15.280 --> 1:26:17.840 I feel like I could watch that show series like 1:26:18.000 --> 1:26:20.320 ten times through and still catch new jokes, Like it's 1:26:20.360 --> 1:26:21.040 so crazy. 1:26:21.800 --> 1:26:22.920 Yeah, Orange is a new Black. 1:26:23.040 --> 1:26:26.400 Were you in the first season or second or no, no, later, four, 1:26:26.560 --> 1:26:27.519 fourth or fifth or something? 1:26:27.560 --> 1:26:27.720 Right? 1:26:27.800 --> 1:26:31.240 Okay, so they clean house after three, A lot of 1:26:31.240 --> 1:26:34.680 the guards get fired, Yeah, and then you're the new 1:26:34.680 --> 1:26:37.640 crop with like Latin, the new crops is gone at 1:26:37.640 --> 1:26:40.599 the Butmi Tarvor's Emily Tarvor. 1:26:41.479 --> 1:26:43.479 I come in with Emily Tarvor. Yeah, one of my 1:26:44.200 --> 1:26:46.080 fellow interns that U see be back. 1:26:45.880 --> 1:26:48.760 In the day, Me and Emily right on, Emily's fantastic 1:26:50.000 --> 1:26:51.479 Mike Houston came in my year. 1:26:52.240 --> 1:26:54.160 It was like a whole new batch of guards. Yeah. 1:26:54.280 --> 1:26:57.920 And the big bad bearded guy yeah yeah, yeah, what's 1:26:57.960 --> 1:26:58.439 that same? 1:26:58.880 --> 1:27:01.559 We had enough with him being a psycho and then 1:27:01.640 --> 1:27:02.920 you were bad too, and it. 1:27:02.920 --> 1:27:05.439 Was like no, no, we were in all his little 1:27:05.560 --> 1:27:08.439 like trolls underneath him, like he was the one that 1:27:08.479 --> 1:27:09.920 got on the focus and we all kind of like 1:27:10.000 --> 1:27:11.800 ran around being shitty underneath. 1:27:11.479 --> 1:27:13.439 But didn't the other guards also think you were kind 1:27:13.479 --> 1:27:15.360 of creepy. Yeah, they didn't like. 1:27:15.320 --> 1:27:17.599 My style, like they were still shittheads, but like they 1:27:17.600 --> 1:27:21.120 didn't they didn't like that I was like like a creep, like. 1:27:21.080 --> 1:27:26.320 A possible serial killer, Like yeah. 1:27:24.800 --> 1:27:27.479 I think they were more just like let's like be 1:27:27.600 --> 1:27:30.360 abusive and harass and like sneak drugs and make money. 1:27:30.360 --> 1:27:32.760 And I was like, no, that's not my thing. I 1:27:33.160 --> 1:27:34.799 just want to I just want to be a creep. 1:27:35.280 --> 1:27:37.559 You were on the Eric Andre Show. Do you remember 1:27:37.600 --> 1:27:38.280 your time there? 1:27:39.000 --> 1:27:41.519 Yeah? I do remember my time there, because he. 1:27:41.520 --> 1:27:44.080 Says that Lauren Conrad was like the worst guest, like 1:27:44.120 --> 1:27:46.360 she was the least down with it. Do you remember 1:27:46.439 --> 1:27:48.880 moments like what was your part or were you in 1:27:48.920 --> 1:27:49.320 the prank? 1:27:49.360 --> 1:27:51.639 What was your Yeah? Yeah I did a sketch. Okay, 1:27:51.680 --> 1:27:52.960 what do you remember what it was? 1:27:53.280 --> 1:27:58.000 Yes, it was a faux kids show, like uh, we 1:27:58.000 --> 1:28:00.240 were like, yeah, we're here to like we're in. 1:28:00.240 --> 1:28:02.599 The city and we're like we are energy and let's go. 1:28:02.720 --> 1:28:03.080 Let's go. 1:28:03.360 --> 1:28:05.439 But then we just like wreaked havoc. So we were 1:28:05.479 --> 1:28:08.479 like all like a peppy team of like we're out 1:28:08.479 --> 1:28:10.760 here to spread positive energy and let's go. But then 1:28:10.800 --> 1:28:12.840 we like ran through Central Park just like punching books 1:28:12.840 --> 1:28:15.639 out of people's hands and like shoving them and tripping them. 1:28:15.720 --> 1:28:19.080 And then it culminated with us pulling up in front 1:28:19.080 --> 1:28:22.479 of in front of the Museum of Natural History with 1:28:22.560 --> 1:28:27.960 a van and kidnapping someone. And it was like one 1:28:27.960 --> 1:28:29.720 of the scarier things I've ever had to be part 1:28:29.760 --> 1:28:32.880 of because it looked like a real kidnapping. 1:28:33.320 --> 1:28:37.320 Because they're filming that show. All the hidden camera stuff 1:28:37.360 --> 1:28:37.840 is so good. 1:28:37.920 --> 1:28:40.760 Like one cameraman has a backpack on and there's a 1:28:40.800 --> 1:28:44.080 camera pointing backwards, so he's looking at his monitor here 1:28:44.400 --> 1:28:46.160 with his back to everything that's happening. 1:28:46.439 --> 1:28:46.799 Wow. 1:28:46.880 --> 1:28:51.040 Another guy had was holding a motorcycle helmet and it's 1:28:51.040 --> 1:28:53.880 shooting through the visor of the motorcycle helmet and he's 1:28:53.880 --> 1:28:56.080 just looking down into the motorcycle helmet so he can 1:28:56.080 --> 1:28:59.479 see what he's filming. So everybody on the street, it's amazing. 1:29:00.120 --> 1:29:03.800 Everybody on the street just saw a white fan come 1:29:03.960 --> 1:29:08.320 screeching up right me and two other people jump out 1:29:08.320 --> 1:29:11.360 of the side of the van, grab a kid and 1:29:11.400 --> 1:29:13.439 throw it in the back of a van and drive away. 1:29:13.720 --> 1:29:18.439 And a woman screamed an actor, scream stop them, stop 1:29:18.439 --> 1:29:20.439 them stopping. So people started following the van down the 1:29:20.479 --> 1:29:23.840 street like it was hectic, very svu Adjason. 1:29:24.040 --> 1:29:26.880 Did anyone call the authorities, I don't know. 1:29:26.920 --> 1:29:28.640 They must be ready for those calls or something. And 1:29:28.680 --> 1:29:30.280 people call the cops. I don't know if they go 1:29:30.360 --> 1:29:32.639 back in and just like calm everybody down. We're out 1:29:32.640 --> 1:29:33.920 of there, all sitting in the van and being like, 1:29:33.920 --> 1:29:37.400 what the fuck are we doing? This is this is insane. 1:29:37.600 --> 1:29:37.680 No. 1:29:38.120 --> 1:29:40.479 I talked to Michelle Buteau about being on the show, 1:29:40.560 --> 1:29:43.879 and she's like, it's fucking scary. She goes, you're bothering 1:29:43.920 --> 1:29:46.000 people and you're in the train and it's so tight, 1:29:46.479 --> 1:29:51.000 and he's just so in it and willing, and she 1:29:51.160 --> 1:29:52.479 was She said she was scared. 1:29:52.600 --> 1:29:55.040 She's like, I would never do it again. No, Like 1:29:55.080 --> 1:29:58.479 prank stuff is scary, especially in New York. Like I 1:29:58.479 --> 1:29:59.920 don't want to get punched in the face. I don't 1:30:00.000 --> 1:30:01.880 don't want something to like really try to like be 1:30:01.960 --> 1:30:04.160 a hero, and then I have to be like, I'm 1:30:04.160 --> 1:30:05.240 a this is a bit. 1:30:05.520 --> 1:30:08.200 We're doing it. We're making a comedy show. Don't you 1:30:08.360 --> 1:30:09.479 pretend to kidnap people? 1:30:10.560 --> 1:30:12.920 We needed it got what was it a bad trip? 1:30:13.040 --> 1:30:15.960 It's just so such good pranks. It's really cool. 1:30:16.400 --> 1:30:18.599 No, and he's phenomenal at them, and he's so funny. 1:30:18.640 --> 1:30:21.599 Like you said, he's so committed to them all the time. 1:30:22.320 --> 1:30:24.639 And the best is because he's so he's so into 1:30:24.680 --> 1:30:26.720 it that people believe them. People are like, this is 1:30:26.760 --> 1:30:31.360 really happening, and either they're like they reveal something of themselves, 1:30:31.400 --> 1:30:33.880 like they're into it, or they distance themselves in a 1:30:33.880 --> 1:30:36.240 funny way. He gets the best reactions out of folks. 1:30:36.280 --> 1:30:40.559 One of the greatest pranksters of our generation. Yeah, I 1:30:40.720 --> 1:30:42.840 on IMDb there is a fact. Well they lied and 1:30:42.840 --> 1:30:44.360 said you lived in Brooklyn. But did you do a 1:30:44.360 --> 1:30:47.080 commercial with Michael Jordan? I did? I did? 1:30:47.640 --> 1:30:49.519 Those are those That's how I got my SAG card. 1:30:50.520 --> 1:30:57.559 So my career, we'll say that is ode to Charlie 1:30:57.600 --> 1:31:04.080 Sheen's decline. So Charlie Sheen was doing Haines commercials with 1:31:04.120 --> 1:31:04.719 Michael Jordan. 1:31:05.400 --> 1:31:06.200 It was the two of them. 1:31:06.560 --> 1:31:08.439 They did like a number of them, and that they 1:31:08.520 --> 1:31:10.960 had this rapport back and forth, and that was like 1:31:11.000 --> 1:31:14.360 Haines was selling under pants using these two guys. Charlie 1:31:14.400 --> 1:31:18.040 Sheen like went off the deep end and this is 1:31:18.080 --> 1:31:24.200 like two thousand yeah, yeah, yeah, all that stuff two 1:31:24.200 --> 1:31:27.120 thousand and six, two thousand and seven. So Haines is like, okay, 1:31:27.800 --> 1:31:29.799 and Haines had done commercials with it was like Jordan 1:31:29.880 --> 1:31:32.680 and Matthew Perry, Jordan and Cuba Gooding Junior. So it 1:31:32.720 --> 1:31:34.639 was always like this pairing of Jordan and a celebrity 1:31:35.479 --> 1:31:39.920 and then Charlie Sheen goes insane and I'm putting a 1:31:39.960 --> 1:31:42.960 little bit together here. But Haynes was like, we trust 1:31:43.160 --> 1:31:46.519 Jordan with our brand, but like these other people, we 1:31:46.560 --> 1:31:49.080 don't have like really control over these celebrities in their 1:31:49.120 --> 1:31:52.240 lives and what they do. So let's let's put everything 1:31:52.240 --> 1:31:56.719 behind Jordan and pivot to him and a professional actor. 1:31:57.600 --> 1:32:00.880 So I was this they like distanced themselves from celebrities 1:32:01.160 --> 1:32:03.920 and did a casting for a commercial with Jordan and 1:32:03.960 --> 1:32:06.120 the premise was he's on an airplane and he's getting 1:32:06.120 --> 1:32:10.479 bothered by somebody who knows him. So I, you know, 1:32:11.360 --> 1:32:13.360 was very lucky to book this job, but it was 1:32:13.640 --> 1:32:15.400 absolutely the biggest job of my career at that points. 1:32:15.439 --> 1:32:17.400 But the job that got me my Screen Actors Guild 1:32:17.479 --> 1:32:20.040 card and I went out to la for a couple 1:32:20.080 --> 1:32:22.760 of days and we shot two days with Jordan, like 1:32:23.120 --> 1:32:26.479 it was four hours on each day, and we filmed 1:32:26.479 --> 1:32:29.759 like eight commercials and it was all just me sitting 1:32:29.960 --> 1:32:32.320 with him on an airplane just harassing him about how 1:32:32.360 --> 1:32:33.960 like I know who he is and me thinking like 1:32:34.000 --> 1:32:34.840 I could help him out. 1:32:35.000 --> 1:32:37.040 And it was all about the bacon neck collar. It 1:32:37.080 --> 1:32:40.120 was like their big product was these the collar doesn't bacon. 1:32:41.479 --> 1:32:44.320 But it was an unbelievable job, so much fun to do. 1:32:45.160 --> 1:32:48.960 The director let me like riff and play and kind 1:32:49.000 --> 1:32:51.240 of throw the scripts out and just like sit in 1:32:51.280 --> 1:32:54.640 this character of like annoy this famous person next to you, 1:32:55.120 --> 1:32:57.240 and he would just roll for minutes at a time 1:32:57.280 --> 1:32:58.600 and we would just go and go and go and 1:32:58.600 --> 1:33:00.120 go and go. And then he carved it into these 1:33:00.120 --> 1:33:02.960 little commercials, which was great, and Michael Jordan was like 1:33:03.080 --> 1:33:04.559 fun totally. 1:33:04.960 --> 1:33:08.000 But some athletes are like a little when they try 1:33:08.040 --> 1:33:09.920 to like do not that he was. He's probably more 1:33:09.920 --> 1:33:11.880 the straight man you're doing the funny heavy lifting, but 1:33:12.479 --> 1:33:13.719 some athletes it's I mean. 1:33:13.760 --> 1:33:16.760 I'm sorry, he's the star of Space Jam, so. 1:33:17.080 --> 1:33:19.080 True, that's right. Put some respect, put some respect. 1:33:19.520 --> 1:33:22.280 I'm sorry, you know, famously, I haven't seen space Jam. 1:33:22.320 --> 1:33:24.880 It's a blind spot. So I have a space jam lamp. 1:33:24.880 --> 1:33:25.920 I don't know if you remember that. 1:33:26.080 --> 1:33:30.400 I mean I forgot what the aliens alien right now 1:33:31.040 --> 1:33:31.800 in your current home. 1:33:32.040 --> 1:33:34.519 Yeah, because a few blocks away is like a sports timon. 1:33:34.600 --> 1:33:36.479 I have a I like to I like stuff, and 1:33:36.560 --> 1:33:37.840 so I went in and I went. 1:33:37.880 --> 1:33:38.439 I love stuff. 1:33:38.520 --> 1:33:41.200 It was the Monstars as little the little Aliens on 1:33:41.240 --> 1:33:43.040 the lamp and I went, how much is that? And 1:33:43.080 --> 1:33:44.960 he goes, well, that's not for sale, but you can 1:33:45.000 --> 1:33:46.880 have it for like one hundred dollars or half. And 1:33:46.880 --> 1:33:49.120 I go, I'll take it. Oh my god, done, I'll 1:33:49.160 --> 1:33:54.280 take it done free. Honestly, the answer is everything's for sale. 1:33:54.320 --> 1:34:00.320 Apparently you know it's not for sale, but yeah it is. Wait, 1:34:00.400 --> 1:34:03.519 so you were riffing with Michael Jordan. Yeah, and was 1:34:03.520 --> 1:34:05.880 he so big? I remember this commercial? 1:34:06.560 --> 1:34:10.200 Yeah? I mean he is he? I mean what is 1:34:10.400 --> 1:34:10.880 he so big? 1:34:10.920 --> 1:34:14.479 He's physically he's huge, and he's also like the most 1:34:14.520 --> 1:34:17.320 famous person in the world is Michael Jackson. 1:34:17.479 --> 1:34:20.120 I don't know, like you know his outline? Do you 1:34:20.280 --> 1:34:24.280 have next? You wanna where coming to? Have anything coming up? 1:34:24.320 --> 1:34:25.840 You want to right right now? 1:34:25.920 --> 1:34:28.080 The stuff I'm working on the most is tonight's show, 1:34:28.080 --> 1:34:30.000 which is great. You know, it's it's something I can 1:34:30.040 --> 1:34:32.960 specifically plug because it's all day of but I'm like 1:34:33.040 --> 1:34:37.400 part of their monologue team, so like when they need 1:34:37.479 --> 1:34:39.840 a you know, like in a monologue for a late 1:34:39.920 --> 1:34:41.599 night show and they're like, for more on this, we 1:34:41.680 --> 1:34:45.880 go to head of sales for diamond coins and then 1:34:45.920 --> 1:34:48.760 it's like John Smitherson's like, I'm that guy. 1:34:49.080 --> 1:34:51.080 Yeah. A lot of the time for Fallon, which is 1:34:51.080 --> 1:34:51.920 a lot of fun. It's great. 1:34:52.000 --> 1:34:55.679 It's it's such fun work because it is live studio audience, 1:34:55.760 --> 1:34:58.920 which is so rare totally to be in that room, 1:34:59.160 --> 1:35:03.320 feel that energy, get those laughs, feel that instant feedback, 1:35:03.960 --> 1:35:06.759 and it's it's exciting because it all happens in the moment. 1:35:06.840 --> 1:35:10.639 Like I get a call around eleven thirty or newish 1:35:10.800 --> 1:35:12.720 to be like, are you available today? An idea just 1:35:12.760 --> 1:35:14.680 came together, Yeah, and then I go in there. I 1:35:14.680 --> 1:35:18.120 get the thirty rock around two PM, go through wardrobe 1:35:18.160 --> 1:35:21.439 and makeup. I rehearsed at three, rehearse with Fallon at four, 1:35:21.760 --> 1:35:23.160 and then tape the show at five and then I'm 1:35:23.200 --> 1:35:27.000 home by six. So it's like this whirlwind thing, which 1:35:27.040 --> 1:35:29.080 is so much fun. It's a blast. You're on call 1:35:29.240 --> 1:35:32.280 like a doctor kind of. I mean, they don't expect 1:35:32.280 --> 1:35:34.240 me to like always be available, but I can usually 1:35:34.240 --> 1:35:37.360 move things around and piece other stuff together to make 1:35:37.400 --> 1:35:38.000 myself free. 1:35:38.160 --> 1:35:39.360 But yeah, it's it's very loose. 1:35:39.400 --> 1:35:41.479 It's just you know, when they have the right idea 1:35:41.479 --> 1:35:42.800 and when it makes sense, they give me a ring. 1:35:43.320 --> 1:35:45.160 But it's been great. That's been like the past two years. 1:35:45.240 --> 1:35:46.800 I've been doing a bunch of episodes for them. 1:35:46.840 --> 1:35:48.880 Have you ever been there when it's a celebrity you're 1:35:48.920 --> 1:35:49.960 really excited. 1:35:49.560 --> 1:35:54.040 About Yeah, jeez, I mean you have to be cool 1:35:54.080 --> 1:35:54.519 about it. 1:35:54.800 --> 1:35:55.960 Yeah. 1:35:56.040 --> 1:35:59.400 I had my kids there with me a couple of 1:35:59.400 --> 1:36:02.000 weeks ago because it was like this little period between 1:36:02.160 --> 1:36:05.479 where like all of the summer camps are over, but 1:36:05.560 --> 1:36:07.880 school starts on a Thursday, So you have these like 1:36:07.960 --> 1:36:10.080 three days where you're like, I need to be a 1:36:10.080 --> 1:36:12.000 professional and I have children and that I need to 1:36:12.040 --> 1:36:13.400 keep safe and so. 1:36:14.200 --> 1:36:16.519 Somebody would make a billion dollars and they just offered 1:36:16.520 --> 1:36:18.400 a camp for those days, but they don't. 1:36:18.400 --> 1:36:20.760 Feel the camp. They don't just give me that three 1:36:20.840 --> 1:36:24.799 day camp. And how old are they? Nine and five? Oh? Cute? 1:36:25.080 --> 1:36:28.439 Very fun ages, very very fun they were most concerned about, like, well, 1:36:28.439 --> 1:36:30.320 look if we go in there, can we go to Wendy's. 1:36:30.320 --> 1:36:31.439 And I was like, hell, you can. 1:36:32.479 --> 1:36:34.400 So we go to Wendy's, We pick up Wendy's, we 1:36:34.439 --> 1:36:37.439 bring it into the dressing room. They're eating Wendy's. I like, 1:36:37.479 --> 1:36:39.240 do my rehearsal. They're watching it on the screen. I 1:36:39.280 --> 1:36:40.680 was like, did you watch rehearsal? They're like, yeah, you 1:36:40.720 --> 1:36:42.280 were funny. I'm like, great, thank you so much. I 1:36:42.320 --> 1:36:43.280 need that for my ego. 1:36:43.439 --> 1:36:43.879 Hahaha. 1:36:44.200 --> 1:36:47.439 They keep eating Wendy's and then they came and knocked 1:36:47.479 --> 1:36:48.960 down the door to bring me to the second rehearsal. 1:36:49.120 --> 1:36:51.360 Right as they did that, my five year old knocked 1:36:51.400 --> 1:36:55.200 over her whole milkshake. Now, these dressing rooms are beautiful. 1:36:55.240 --> 1:36:58.880 They're like each they're so meticulously like decorated with a 1:36:58.880 --> 1:37:01.920 different theme. The yacht room, the bandroom, everyone has its 1:37:01.920 --> 1:37:04.880 own thing, and there's just milkshake everywhere. So I'm like 1:37:04.960 --> 1:37:07.479 one minute, and I start cleaning it up, and she 1:37:07.600 --> 1:37:09.519 senses it. So my nine year old's like, oh shit, 1:37:09.520 --> 1:37:11.120 we better get on this. So she starts wiping up 1:37:11.120 --> 1:37:13.040 milkshake and I go to the door and my five 1:37:13.080 --> 1:37:14.320 year old looks at me right at the last thing, 1:37:14.400 --> 1:37:14.840 she goes. 1:37:14.920 --> 1:37:15.439 Don't tell. 1:37:17.120 --> 1:37:18.559 I was like, I'll take this to the grape, don't 1:37:18.560 --> 1:37:22.479 worry about it. So we I go out, I do 1:37:22.520 --> 1:37:24.880 the show and everything. I come back and as we're leaving, 1:37:25.680 --> 1:37:27.320 because I like leave after monologue, I don't have to 1:37:27.320 --> 1:37:29.599 stick around, David Byrne is there. 1:37:30.040 --> 1:37:32.160 She's promoting his new album and he. 1:37:32.160 --> 1:37:35.320 Had some huge cutout with like a crazy costume, and 1:37:35.320 --> 1:37:38.000 it caught both their eyes. I'm not allowed to stop 1:37:38.040 --> 1:37:39.840 and be like David Byrne, Oh my god, you know, 1:37:40.080 --> 1:37:40.800 but they can't. 1:37:40.960 --> 1:37:43.000 Yeah, So they were like, what is that? And I 1:37:43.040 --> 1:37:47.040 was like, let's go find now. Children, ask all your 1:37:47.120 --> 1:37:49.000 questions of this man. You don't know. It's amazing. 1:37:49.439 --> 1:37:51.240 So I like use them as a gateway into this 1:37:51.280 --> 1:37:53.280 conversation with David Byrne, which is really fun. 1:37:53.920 --> 1:37:57.840 That's he's a legend. That's fun. And they didn't know 1:37:58.240 --> 1:38:00.560 it was just a fit costume. Yeah, they were like, 1:38:00.600 --> 1:38:02.040 this guy looks crazy. What's going on? 1:38:02.880 --> 1:38:07.720 So you on your two parts on SV did you 1:38:07.840 --> 1:38:11.280 mostly work with like Shannabino. 1:38:13.280 --> 1:38:16.439 Is he arrested you right? Or who? Or no? Yeah? 1:38:17.520 --> 1:38:20.960 And I don't remember to be honest. In the first one, 1:38:21.040 --> 1:38:23.800 I don't remember. It was. All I remember was I 1:38:23.800 --> 1:38:25.040 had very little to do with Mariska. 1:38:25.200 --> 1:38:28.000 In the first one, she I think, just comes in 1:38:28.000 --> 1:38:31.479 in my interrogation scene and I had not met her yet, 1:38:31.520 --> 1:38:33.920 because you know, my scenes are with these other cops, 1:38:33.920 --> 1:38:36.519 the guys that come and arrest me and stuff. And 1:38:36.720 --> 1:38:40.120 I'm sitting in there the little interrogation room and she 1:38:40.240 --> 1:38:43.360 came in. You know, you you read the lines through 1:38:43.400 --> 1:38:46.160 once beforehand, and she came in eating a taco, and 1:38:46.240 --> 1:38:49.720 I was just like, fucking hell, yeah, like working, she's 1:38:49.800 --> 1:38:52.040 just bringing a taco to rehearsal. That's not like how 1:38:52.479 --> 1:38:55.320 in the character. She doesn't like need to rev up 1:38:55.360 --> 1:38:58.440 or anything. She just lives in like Olivia's body. Yeah, 1:38:58.479 --> 1:39:00.680 So I just love like that she rolled in with 1:39:00.720 --> 1:39:03.320 a full taco, had her tackle during rehearsal, and then 1:39:03.400 --> 1:39:04.960 just like pushed the rest in her mouth and was like, 1:39:04.960 --> 1:39:05.920 all right, let's go on. 1:39:07.280 --> 1:39:09.479 I really love that you told that story. 1:39:10.320 --> 1:39:13.760 Yeah, she's good. She's a lot of fun. She was 1:39:13.840 --> 1:39:16.920 so fucking mean to me on this last episode and 1:39:17.000 --> 1:39:20.479 like just very fun, playful ways, you know, like where. 1:39:20.439 --> 1:39:22.080 Was It's like either. 1:39:23.400 --> 1:39:26.000 She's she's and it was before I think she even 1:39:26.120 --> 1:39:28.320 remembered that I'd done an episode before. She's like had 1:39:28.320 --> 1:39:30.320 a feel about me the way I was in there, 1:39:30.320 --> 1:39:33.320 so like after my first take, she was just like, hey, 1:39:33.320 --> 1:39:35.400 you know we're taping these right And I. 1:39:35.320 --> 1:39:36.840 Was like, ah, you fuck her. 1:39:37.439 --> 1:39:40.280 That's like if I was nervous, that would bury me 1:39:40.400 --> 1:39:43.120 right now. But I like, I feel comfortable enough on 1:39:43.160 --> 1:39:44.920 this show and in this room. They're like, I'm okay, 1:39:45.280 --> 1:39:46.960 very interesting that you felt that you could fuck with 1:39:47.000 --> 1:39:51.439 me that bad on my first day on this episode. 1:39:51.600 --> 1:39:53.200 But she was a lot of fun. I got to 1:39:53.240 --> 1:39:55.200 work with her more on this most recent one. We 1:39:55.240 --> 1:39:58.760 had a couple days together. Yeah, she's great. I mean, 1:39:58.800 --> 1:40:02.439 she's so good at what she does, and also she's 1:40:02.520 --> 1:40:06.120 a great person. In that window of time, the documentary 1:40:06.160 --> 1:40:08.160 that she made about her mother was all the press 1:40:08.240 --> 1:40:10.800 was coming out for that on those days that we 1:40:10.800 --> 1:40:14.280 were on setting, so we got to chat about that 1:40:14.320 --> 1:40:17.120 a little bit and just like see the news come 1:40:17.160 --> 1:40:21.200 in about the film. And she's very gracious and very 1:40:21.280 --> 1:40:25.639 kind and a lot of fun. She's like, she's don't 1:40:25.760 --> 1:40:29.760 she's so talented. She's such a force. She's I think 1:40:29.840 --> 1:40:33.280 appreciates when you can like just fucking take some shit 1:40:33.320 --> 1:40:34.880 and like give it back a little bit and play, 1:40:34.960 --> 1:40:37.080 you know, like between takes and just be present and 1:40:37.120 --> 1:40:40.240 be fun and keep it light because when you're actually rolling, 1:40:40.280 --> 1:40:42.920 you're just talking about murder. 1:40:42.560 --> 1:40:44.439 And assault and like the heaviest. 1:40:44.640 --> 1:40:44.840 Yeah. 1:40:45.520 --> 1:40:49.839 So I think she appreciates when, like, and look, everybody's 1:40:49.840 --> 1:40:52.519 in their own process and does their own stuff, and 1:40:52.560 --> 1:40:54.400 sometimes between takes you need to like go be by 1:40:54.439 --> 1:40:55.880 yourself and be like, oh, I got to kind of 1:40:55.920 --> 1:40:58.280 stay in this pocket, especially what you're doing. And on 1:40:58.320 --> 1:41:00.840 this most recent episode, wasn't a bad guy. 1:41:00.920 --> 1:41:01.240 I was. 1:41:01.640 --> 1:41:04.439 I was this chummy trying to like I was, you know, 1:41:04.520 --> 1:41:06.280 pining after this woman who had been hurt and I'm 1:41:06.280 --> 1:41:07.559 trying to like prove to her that I can be 1:41:07.600 --> 1:41:09.439 there for her. So like that's an easier thing, I think, 1:41:09.439 --> 1:41:11.439 to keep alive a little bit in my body between 1:41:11.479 --> 1:41:14.120 takes as I'm like chatting. And but I think she 1:41:14.439 --> 1:41:19.400 just was appreciative of like having fun between takes and 1:41:19.439 --> 1:41:21.400 being able to chat and just like jump right back 1:41:21.439 --> 1:41:23.360 into it because she can jump right she can just 1:41:23.400 --> 1:41:26.599 be like we're going boom, and she's right there, right where. 1:41:26.479 --> 1:41:28.360 She's feel like you got to keep it light. 1:41:28.520 --> 1:41:32.000 This subject matter can be so heavy that like, yeah 1:41:32.280 --> 1:41:33.839 you can't. 1:41:34.320 --> 1:41:38.080 It's yeah, something's got to give, you know, yeah, you 1:41:38.120 --> 1:41:38.800 can't take it over. 1:41:39.120 --> 1:41:44.719 So now you've been a rapist and a regular guy, 1:41:44.800 --> 1:41:48.880 a nice little dorky therapist man. Now what if you 1:41:48.880 --> 1:41:50.559 were to come back to s few what what do 1:41:50.600 --> 1:41:54.839 you want? What's the next one? I was a killer lawyer? 1:41:54.920 --> 1:41:55.599 What are we thinking? 1:41:56.840 --> 1:41:59.519 I mean, the dream is that my dorky therapist guy 1:41:59.560 --> 1:42:03.160 can be him, like the bead Wong, you know, like 1:42:05.280 --> 1:42:08.120 could come in and start like consulting on a case. 1:42:08.400 --> 1:42:10.120 Needs to bring a beauty Wong back. 1:42:10.520 --> 1:42:14.880 Yeah, the show just got their first female showrunner this 1:42:15.000 --> 1:42:17.599 current season in the history of the show in season 1:42:17.640 --> 1:42:20.640 twenty seven, and she was like an original writer and 1:42:20.760 --> 1:42:24.080 producer on like earlier seasons. And so I think it 1:42:24.080 --> 1:42:27.040 would be great if they they've already started. It feels 1:42:27.040 --> 1:42:28.719 like to go back to some of the old ways. 1:42:28.800 --> 1:42:31.080 And I think it'd be great to bring back a 1:42:31.080 --> 1:42:31.960 beat Wong character. 1:42:32.040 --> 1:42:34.400 We miss the science, yeah, like. 1:42:34.479 --> 1:42:38.320 Knowing the stuff and I feel like I learned so much. 1:42:38.680 --> 1:42:39.920 Yeah, we need you back. 1:42:40.680 --> 1:42:42.479 I'd love to bring in a beaty Wong, but not 1:42:42.560 --> 1:42:45.519 as like he's he was so straight. Like he was, 1:42:45.640 --> 1:42:48.000 you know, very measured and really the science beyond it 1:42:48.040 --> 1:42:50.519 all and very thoughtful. But I would love to bring 1:42:50.600 --> 1:42:53.600 like a like, I don't know, a touch of like 1:42:53.640 --> 1:42:56.280 the what bellser used to bring through it all, like 1:42:56.520 --> 1:43:01.519 just just like a more realistic therapist, just to kind 1:43:01.520 --> 1:43:02.880 of like take the piss out of some of these 1:43:02.920 --> 1:43:04.880 theories sometimes that they have because they can be so 1:43:04.920 --> 1:43:07.880 serious about their the way they're profiling someone. Yeah, and 1:43:07.920 --> 1:43:09.400 if I could come in with like, that's not how 1:43:09.439 --> 1:43:11.000 it works, well, you know, we used to do it 1:43:11.080 --> 1:43:12.800 like that JK. Simmons when JK. 1:43:12.840 --> 1:43:15.640 Simmons was on the original Original Seasons and he was 1:43:15.640 --> 1:43:19.720 on regular Original Recipe, he would was like the therapist 1:43:19.920 --> 1:43:21.519 with the professional. 1:43:20.960 --> 1:43:24.519 Stuff but was also funny. Yeah, that's what I would do. 1:43:24.640 --> 1:43:25.360 That's what I'd love to see. 1:43:25.400 --> 1:43:25.559 Yeh. 1:43:25.560 --> 1:43:26.400 That's one of the things. 1:43:26.479 --> 1:43:29.519 I mean, I'm Kevin Kine's on right now and he's 1:43:29.560 --> 1:43:32.479 bringing some of the funny that I've missed from the 1:43:32.479 --> 1:43:36.519 bellser I Kevin those days. Yeah, we're we had him 1:43:36.560 --> 1:43:40.440 before and he was like and he was like sprinkling. 1:43:40.560 --> 1:43:42.479 He's also played five characters which is a record. 1:43:43.080 --> 1:43:46.080 But now he's played this one, and he was like 1:43:46.560 --> 1:43:48.760 hoping to become a series regular, and now he's in 1:43:48.800 --> 1:43:52.520 the credits, and yeah, we just get really excited. 1:43:53.080 --> 1:43:55.800 Oh it's fantastic. I met him. We both studied at 1:43:55.920 --> 1:43:56.880 Esper Studio. 1:43:56.560 --> 1:43:59.920 And I met him doing all the work on Amy's. 1:44:00.760 --> 1:44:04.799 Yeah, he's great. He did our our podcast from Amy's trailer. 1:44:04.840 --> 1:44:05.240 I think. 1:44:05.600 --> 1:44:09.720 Yeah, he had a tough time because like all the 1:44:09.720 --> 1:44:13.240 work we've done has been about like Dixon farts, so 1:44:13.680 --> 1:44:15.439 he had to like knock on this door and have 1:44:15.520 --> 1:44:17.639 me answer the door and talk about like a rape, 1:44:17.920 --> 1:44:19.479 and he was like, this is just not what we 1:44:19.560 --> 1:44:19.960 normally do. 1:44:20.040 --> 1:44:24.200 By I forgot. You guys were together in that Oh 1:44:24.240 --> 1:44:24.719 my god. 1:44:25.479 --> 1:44:28.759 Fun We never we didn't get to like work together 1:44:28.800 --> 1:44:30.439 on Schumer at all, but he was like a producer there, 1:44:30.439 --> 1:44:32.320 so we were always talking through the jokes and and 1:44:32.439 --> 1:44:33.080 you know, work. 1:44:32.920 --> 1:44:34.720 Well and if you met at Esther you probably did 1:44:34.760 --> 1:44:35.880 lots of fun stuff. 1:44:35.960 --> 1:44:36.200 Right. 1:44:36.400 --> 1:44:38.200 Well, we were in different classes. I was, he was 1:44:38.240 --> 1:44:40.200 in Amy's class. I was a year ahead. 1:44:40.200 --> 1:44:44.720 So okay, that's exciting. 1:44:45.560 --> 1:44:48.799 It was, and you like to I'm assuming shift between 1:44:49.360 --> 1:44:51.519 funny and rape. 1:44:52.000 --> 1:44:54.080 I do I do. 1:44:54.520 --> 1:44:59.240 Yeah, so it is. Look I don't. It's they're both 1:44:59.320 --> 1:45:02.800 very fun. It's fun to uh make stuff that's enjoyable 1:45:02.800 --> 1:45:05.439 to watch and comedic and and that you think is 1:45:05.479 --> 1:45:07.519 making people laugh and giving them a good time. And 1:45:07.560 --> 1:45:09.880 it's also fun to be a bad guy. 1:45:10.040 --> 1:45:10.360 Yeah. 1:45:10.400 --> 1:45:13.280 It is fun to like express those things and explore 1:45:13.320 --> 1:45:16.120 those things and get into the deeper parts of your 1:45:16.160 --> 1:45:18.439 own psyche and think like, what could what could make 1:45:18.479 --> 1:45:21.160 me that upset with? You know, how do I mind 1:45:21.240 --> 1:45:23.880 my own experience for those moments and those feelings. 1:45:24.160 --> 1:45:28.840 Yeah, because some scars that we've interviewed, when they're super 1:45:28.840 --> 1:45:31.879 scary on SVU, they're like little sweethearts in real life. 1:45:32.360 --> 1:45:36.040 So something about stretching your what you're who you are, 1:45:36.040 --> 1:45:38.120 like you're not You're not like the person at all, 1:45:38.200 --> 1:45:40.200 you know, you're it's true true acting. 1:45:41.000 --> 1:45:43.280 Yeah, I mean I was. I'm kind of like the guy. 1:45:43.800 --> 1:45:47.719 But not not like too much, not too much. 1:45:47.880 --> 1:45:50.760 I like I like carpets, I clean, I clean car. Yeah, 1:45:50.840 --> 1:45:52.200 that's our that's our overlap. 1:45:52.320 --> 1:45:57.240 Yeah. Oh my gosh, this was so fun. Thank you 1:45:57.320 --> 1:46:00.000 so much, Michael. It's so great to plot you. 1:46:00.120 --> 1:46:02.280 Yeah. Great to meet you both and see you again. 1:46:02.600 --> 1:46:04.160 We don't see you again, We'll never know. 1:46:11.640 --> 1:46:14.120 I mean, obviously obsessed with him, Obsessed that you guys 1:46:14.160 --> 1:46:18.439 are knew people like. I love that he's funny and 1:46:19.160 --> 1:46:22.200 doing serious work. I yeah, because of his characters, I 1:46:22.320 --> 1:46:26.600 was like, Okay, a little weirdot I think, I mean, 1:46:26.640 --> 1:46:29.360 they're actors, they're actors. But I just really liked him. 1:46:29.360 --> 1:46:31.240 And I also can't believe he was in a commercial 1:46:31.240 --> 1:46:32.000 with Michael Jordan. 1:46:32.400 --> 1:46:35.559 Yeah, but I also love that. That's kind of one 1:46:35.600 --> 1:46:38.280 of the reasons why. I mean, I obviously want all 1:46:38.280 --> 1:46:41.080 these talented actors to get hired again and again, but 1:46:42.000 --> 1:46:44.600 I think it might not even just be because he 1:46:44.720 --> 1:46:47.080 was in this Jeans episode. It might be because of 1:46:47.160 --> 1:46:50.080 him in Orange is the New Black. But I totally 1:46:50.120 --> 1:46:54.559 thought him in the season twenty six episodes that he did. 1:46:54.760 --> 1:46:56.519 I just totally was the same as you. Like, I 1:46:56.600 --> 1:46:58.280 was like, it's gonna be him. He did it like 1:46:58.280 --> 1:47:00.560 there's something he's too he's. 1:47:00.200 --> 1:47:04.400 Looking too normal and like cute right now, and men 1:47:04.439 --> 1:47:06.920 with a crush are a nuisance, you know, Like I 1:47:07.080 --> 1:47:10.160 was like, this guy's gonna kill her, but no, it 1:47:10.200 --> 1:47:11.800 wasn't him, And he was so fun to talk to. 1:47:13.000 --> 1:47:16.400 Good stories, good details, more marishka context. 1:47:16.479 --> 1:47:18.000 It's nice the taco. 1:47:18.520 --> 1:47:21.639 I mean, we'll never forget We'll never forget the fucking taco. 1:47:22.320 --> 1:47:24.479 When we finally get her, We'll be like, how. 1:47:24.400 --> 1:47:26.920 Much how often do you have a taco right before 1:47:26.920 --> 1:47:29.080 you get on set? 1:47:29.320 --> 1:47:30.080 I'm obsessed? 1:47:30.400 --> 1:47:34.439 Uh, But Dan, I liked knowing the behind the scenes 1:47:34.520 --> 1:47:37.880 deep information, you know, because it is such an excellent show, 1:47:38.000 --> 1:47:41.200 so to know they're rehearsing so much weeks before the 1:47:41.240 --> 1:47:44.320 fact that scripts are changing day of Like it makes 1:47:44.360 --> 1:47:47.320 sense because it is just so good. I sort of 1:47:47.360 --> 1:47:50.599 don't understand why more TV shows don't do rehearsal, Like 1:47:50.720 --> 1:47:53.920 I myself have been in TV shows where I've only 1:47:53.960 --> 1:47:56.080 got a couple of lines, but I'm like, how do 1:47:56.080 --> 1:47:56.800 you want me to do this? 1:47:56.880 --> 1:47:59.519 And the director's like, just go for it. You're like, what, Like, 1:47:59.560 --> 1:48:01.200 but why why don't we run this through? 1:48:01.520 --> 1:48:05.160 Was? You know, people in charge are about the bottom line. 1:48:05.200 --> 1:48:07.680 They don't give a shit. It's only profits, so. 1:48:07.960 --> 1:48:10.759 Look at how good the product turns out when you rehearse. 1:48:10.800 --> 1:48:12.479 A little bit like with Deep Like I'm not saying 1:48:12.520 --> 1:48:14.599 you have to fly everyone to a ballroom in another state, 1:48:14.680 --> 1:48:16.439 but like I'm saying even sometimes I'm on set and 1:48:16.479 --> 1:48:19.600 we barely do run throughs, you know, like h and 1:48:19.680 --> 1:48:22.599 it seems like so rough. I mean, it's one thing 1:48:22.640 --> 1:48:25.439 on SVU where everybody is such a fucking pro they 1:48:25.479 --> 1:48:27.680 know how to get the shot like whatever, But I've 1:48:27.680 --> 1:48:29.160 been on some shows where I'm like, you don't want 1:48:29.160 --> 1:48:30.720 to like just make sure we're all going to be 1:48:30.720 --> 1:48:33.160 in the right spot, like barely do a blocking you know. 1:48:33.720 --> 1:48:34.320 Yeah. 1:48:34.400 --> 1:48:40.920 But anyway, I felt like this episode again, it is 1:48:41.000 --> 1:48:43.800 feeding the narrative for Olivia of her doubts about her 1:48:43.800 --> 1:48:46.280 own past and now Noah and all that. 1:48:46.400 --> 1:48:48.719 But do we really need. 1:48:48.600 --> 1:48:51.080 To give anybody any fuel to be like, well, here's 1:48:51.120 --> 1:48:53.519 why it might be okay that you're a rapist, Like 1:48:53.640 --> 1:48:56.280 here's why, like you know what I mean, like the 1:48:56.600 --> 1:48:59.720 percentage of men who rape, like so many men out 1:48:59.720 --> 1:49:03.360 there are are related to rapists that don't commit rape. 1:49:03.400 --> 1:49:06.439 So I don't really feel like the rape gene is 1:49:06.439 --> 1:49:07.240 a possibility. 1:49:08.720 --> 1:49:12.280 No, no, because there were also teens in that group 1:49:12.280 --> 1:49:15.439 who didn't rape, yes, you know, like and even if 1:49:15.439 --> 1:49:17.120 they had the urge, But yeah, you can't like. 1:49:18.720 --> 1:49:21.960 Just that one kid was just like terrified of women, 1:49:22.040 --> 1:49:23.800 like he had never kissed a girl, and I think 1:49:23.800 --> 1:49:25.120 he was like, anything I do is. 1:49:25.120 --> 1:49:25.920 Gonna hurt a woman. 1:49:26.080 --> 1:49:29.240 Probably I think it looped into this fucking weird cult group, 1:49:29.320 --> 1:49:29.479 you know. 1:49:29.560 --> 1:49:31.240 That's what I was just about to say. I'm like, 1:49:31.360 --> 1:49:33.240 I don't think you would have to deal with this if. 1:49:34.040 --> 1:49:37.120 But it's tough because I don't believe in rehabilitation for 1:49:37.240 --> 1:49:38.280 sexual predators. 1:49:38.360 --> 1:49:39.920 I think I think I believe in castration. 1:49:41.240 --> 1:49:45.200 But then I do want to believe in people not 1:49:46.160 --> 1:49:50.559 committing rape, So it's really tough. Like I don't know, well, 1:49:50.800 --> 1:49:52.400 but I guess if you have the urge to rape, 1:49:52.400 --> 1:49:54.960 But like all these rapists, I don't even think have 1:49:55.880 --> 1:49:57.040 I just think men. 1:49:57.200 --> 1:49:58.320 I think men just rape. 1:49:58.360 --> 1:50:00.519 All the time I was watching I saw a post 1:50:00.560 --> 1:50:03.720 where someone was talking about like they were talking about 1:50:03.720 --> 1:50:05.960 a guy friend about an assault that happened, and the 1:50:05.960 --> 1:50:09.760 guy's response was, oh, maybe he didn't know that you 1:50:09.760 --> 1:50:11.120 didn't want it, or maybe he didn't know what he 1:50:11.240 --> 1:50:14.760 was doing. And it's this thing of like immediately defending 1:50:14.760 --> 1:50:17.240 a man that you don't even know while a woman 1:50:17.280 --> 1:50:20.120 you know is telling you something, and it's like it's 1:50:20.160 --> 1:50:23.479 like this common understanding where it's all of a sudden, 1:50:23.880 --> 1:50:26.360 like have you been in that moment, Like, have have 1:50:26.479 --> 1:50:29.559 you looked down and there's no way you didn't know? Like, 1:50:29.680 --> 1:50:32.320 I don't know, Like even having that excuse is crazy. 1:50:32.680 --> 1:50:35.240 There's just and there's all kinds of like excuses. 1:50:35.240 --> 1:50:35.920 It's not a gene. 1:50:35.960 --> 1:50:38.120 The Giselle Pellico, the guy that like tried to get 1:50:38.160 --> 1:50:39.559 out of it, was like, well, I thought she was dead. 1:50:39.840 --> 1:50:42.920 His excuse was, well, I thought she was dead. Wait 1:50:43.040 --> 1:50:44.640 is this the guy who went to appeal and got 1:50:44.720 --> 1:50:45.280 more time. 1:50:45.520 --> 1:50:47.160 Yeah, well I thought she was dead. 1:50:47.320 --> 1:50:50.840 Ever, and it's like that's illegal too, I thought she 1:50:51.040 --> 1:50:51.559 was dead. 1:50:52.479 --> 1:50:56.479 Yeah, Oh my god, I did not know that was 1:50:56.479 --> 1:51:00.519 the excuse. That's so fugged. I thought they hues was 1:51:00.560 --> 1:51:02.559 I thought she was like into it or something. 1:51:02.920 --> 1:51:05.040 But no, because it's not a it's like some of 1:51:05.040 --> 1:51:08.080 these I guess I'm like babbling because I can't make 1:51:08.120 --> 1:51:09.759 my point because I don't even know if I believe 1:51:09.760 --> 1:51:12.000 it or it's right. But it's this thing of like 1:51:12.280 --> 1:51:14.559 these guys of this overwhelming urge. But I think a 1:51:14.600 --> 1:51:19.479 lot of guys rape because of opportunity mm hmm. And 1:51:19.520 --> 1:51:22.559 there's men that would never rape with opportunity. They could 1:51:22.560 --> 1:51:24.479 be on a at a party with a blackout drunk 1:51:24.479 --> 1:51:27.599 girl and carry her home, put her into to bed, 1:51:27.640 --> 1:51:30.400 and leave the house. There are dudes that do that. 1:51:30.720 --> 1:51:33.000 But I wonder if the men that do rape in 1:51:33.000 --> 1:51:36.479 that moment have lived a life of wanting to rape 1:51:36.520 --> 1:51:39.560 and suppressing it and then have this opportunity or is 1:51:39.600 --> 1:51:42.000 it like, oh, it's not a big deal. She's passed out, 1:51:42.040 --> 1:51:44.360 she said yes earlier. Like I wonder if they really 1:51:44.400 --> 1:51:47.040 think they're not raping, if they know they're raping, have 1:51:47.120 --> 1:51:48.120 they suppressed it forever? 1:51:48.200 --> 1:51:48.840 Like I don't know. 1:51:49.320 --> 1:51:51.960 Well, there's also just like cultural thing of like when 1:51:52.000 --> 1:51:54.519 a guy gets an erection, you have to like it's 1:51:54.520 --> 1:51:57.040 gotta be taken care of. Like I mean, I started 1:51:57.040 --> 1:51:59.640 reading about blue balls in like teen magazines when I 1:51:59.720 --> 1:52:02.320 was like twelve, where it was like it actually really 1:52:02.400 --> 1:52:04.600 hurts a guy. Like so sometimes I think it's like 1:52:04.600 --> 1:52:06.679 these guys are opportunity, are like, well I have this boner, 1:52:06.760 --> 1:52:08.720 what am I gonna do? I gotta get rid of it, 1:52:08.760 --> 1:52:11.000 you know. Or it's like it's if they're passed out, 1:52:11.000 --> 1:52:13.280 they're not gonna notice or what I mean, it's like 1:52:13.439 --> 1:52:14.640 fucking the gymnastic. 1:52:14.720 --> 1:52:17.200 Okay, So I have been watching Love Is blind UK 1:52:17.840 --> 1:52:20.040 and one of the guys in the pods immediately was like, 1:52:20.760 --> 1:52:22.680 do you what's your sex drive? Like do you want 1:52:22.680 --> 1:52:25.120 to have sex every day? Twice a day? Like what sex? 1:52:25.400 --> 1:52:28.599 Sexuality is important and sex is important. It's like everything 1:52:28.720 --> 1:52:31.240 sex is important, but you're acting like if she doesn't 1:52:31.240 --> 1:52:34.640 fuck you every day, it's some loss of an agreement 1:52:34.800 --> 1:52:36.920 or something that I just it just sickened me, Like 1:52:36.960 --> 1:52:39.120 I know what that question is. And to me, it's like, 1:52:39.200 --> 1:52:41.120 you're someone that's gonna cheat on your wife when she's 1:52:41.160 --> 1:52:44.160 pregnant or can't fuck or is she's sick or depressed 1:52:44.320 --> 1:52:45.280 or whatever it is. 1:52:45.760 --> 1:52:46.759 And then esther Parrel. 1:52:46.840 --> 1:52:49.600 I saw this interview where she goes, actually women have 1:52:49.680 --> 1:52:52.080 more desire to fuck you. You guys aren't giving her 1:52:52.120 --> 1:52:54.960 the fucking she wants. That's why you're not desired. So 1:52:54.960 --> 1:52:57.160 it's like, if you're in this marriage and someone's not 1:52:57.240 --> 1:52:59.599 fucking you, it's so easy to go, well, she has 1:52:59.600 --> 1:53:02.320 a little sex drive. I'm a man, I need a fuck. 1:53:02.320 --> 1:53:04.000 Why aren't you fucking me? You said you want I 1:53:04.040 --> 1:53:05.840 have a you need to fuck me every day? Or 1:53:05.880 --> 1:53:06.400 this marriage? 1:53:06.479 --> 1:53:06.679 Yeah? 1:53:06.800 --> 1:53:09.040 Yeah, And that's one of your first questions of getting 1:53:09.040 --> 1:53:11.400 to know someone to me, I'm like red flag, red flag, 1:53:11.479 --> 1:53:14.559 red flag. Yeah, And it's like someone will want to 1:53:14.560 --> 1:53:17.400 fuck you if you're like fucking them well all the time, 1:53:17.960 --> 1:53:19.600 and if you're and the fourth you know, it's the 1:53:19.600 --> 1:53:23.280 class and it's the emotional connection many times, you know, 1:53:23.479 --> 1:53:25.400 for women, and I'm sure for some men, but for 1:53:25.840 --> 1:53:29.200 like mostly for women, it's the arianomatics sand of all 1:53:29.240 --> 1:53:31.320 where he's like, yeah, fuck me, and she's like, well, 1:53:32.080 --> 1:53:34.160 you aren't nice to me all day, we don't hang out, 1:53:34.200 --> 1:53:36.080 we don't spend time together, and you just expect me 1:53:36.080 --> 1:53:36.840 to fuck you right now. 1:53:36.880 --> 1:53:38.679 Like that's how it works, you can say him. 1:53:38.680 --> 1:53:41.120 It's like his need of needing to get fucked every 1:53:41.200 --> 1:53:44.000 day was something she had to prove to him. And 1:53:44.680 --> 1:53:47.600 then it's like you owe me sex, not oh, I 1:53:47.640 --> 1:53:50.160 should like seduce my wife in a nice way. 1:53:50.280 --> 1:53:51.880 So I don't. I don't know. 1:53:52.160 --> 1:53:53.920 And one time a girl told me like, nothing's less 1:53:53.960 --> 1:53:57.000 attractive than a man that's desperate for sex, like that 1:53:57.000 --> 1:53:57.719 that's gross. 1:53:58.000 --> 1:53:59.120 Yeah, And I liked. 1:53:59.000 --> 1:54:02.840 That because a really hot actually someone that's been an 1:54:02.920 --> 1:54:06.400 SVU famous person message this girl to try to fuck 1:54:06.800 --> 1:54:08.759 and wrote like I want to make you squirt tonight 1:54:08.880 --> 1:54:10.320 or something like that, and I was like, oh, he's 1:54:10.360 --> 1:54:12.240 so hot, and she goes, no, I don't like men 1:54:12.280 --> 1:54:16.320 that are desperate for sex, and I go interesting, you know, 1:54:16.520 --> 1:54:18.200 like I mean, so you can't get it, it means 1:54:18.240 --> 1:54:20.280 you're like gonna be desperate. It means you might rape 1:54:20.320 --> 1:54:21.880 at the end of the night if someone's blacked out. 1:54:21.960 --> 1:54:22.479 Like I don't know. 1:54:22.840 --> 1:54:26.560 Yeah, Like being horny is like kind of childish and pedestrian. 1:54:26.680 --> 1:54:29.479 Like even if you are, don't like flaunt, like, don't 1:54:29.520 --> 1:54:29.920 throw it out. 1:54:30.040 --> 1:54:33.280 You should make it seem like you're getting it, yeah, 1:54:33.440 --> 1:54:35.400 or that we don't need to do it to like 1:54:35.440 --> 1:54:37.640 I'll take you up the next Like I don't know. 1:54:38.000 --> 1:54:39.960 It just means like you've been here before. Man. 1:54:40.600 --> 1:54:44.680 Yeah, when you're desperate, that's not hot. Desperate for sex 1:54:44.920 --> 1:54:50.120 is not hot. Yeah please please. Yeah, super not hot. 1:54:50.520 --> 1:54:52.280 I mean in the Pods you said you would fuck 1:54:52.320 --> 1:54:54.480 every day. And it's like you're not nice to her. 1:54:54.640 --> 1:54:56.680 You're like constantly on the phone. You went out and 1:54:56.760 --> 1:54:58.400 then she was upset one night and he goes, well, 1:54:58.440 --> 1:54:59.400 you need to communicate and. 1:54:59.360 --> 1:54:59.960 Let me know yourself. 1:55:00.120 --> 1:55:02.520 And it's like there's other ways of communication that are 1:55:02.520 --> 1:55:06.040 not verbal that woman was clearly upset. Yeah, for you 1:55:06.080 --> 1:55:08.840 to blame her, to not communicate how she's feeling when 1:55:08.880 --> 1:55:13.440 like you don't see any other context, it's just crazy. 1:55:13.480 --> 1:55:15.280 I don't know. That show's obviously crazy. 1:55:15.360 --> 1:55:20.560 So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah one. Yeah, there was the 1:55:20.640 --> 1:55:23.160 one couple I really like did end up together and 1:55:23.240 --> 1:55:24.600 at the reunion we're still together. 1:55:24.680 --> 1:55:25.600 So I was really happy. 1:55:25.640 --> 1:55:28.720 But oh nice, I didn't know love is I didn't 1:55:28.760 --> 1:55:32.280 know Love Island people love is blind. 1:55:32.360 --> 1:55:34.240 Oh, it's love is blind. Its love is blind. I've 1:55:34.280 --> 1:55:36.440 been seeing a lot of Love is Blind memes. I 1:55:36.440 --> 1:55:38.200 don't really understand anything that's going on. 1:55:38.400 --> 1:55:40.080 Well, there's just a new season. I refuse to watch 1:55:40.080 --> 1:55:42.960 any of the US ones anymore. Yeah, the US ones 1:55:43.000 --> 1:55:45.040 I'm seeing, and I'm like the British one sucks. I 1:55:45.360 --> 1:55:51.760 just you must be an unwell person. It is what 1:55:51.840 --> 1:55:55.200 it is. If you're okay forcing yourself to walk down 1:55:55.200 --> 1:55:59.840 the aisle fourteen days, like it's okay, nothing's worked. Maybe 1:56:00.480 --> 1:56:02.160 and it's like maybe you do internal work. 1:56:02.520 --> 1:56:02.880 I don't know. 1:56:03.040 --> 1:56:07.440 Yeah, oh my god, because anyone can lie, anyone can 1:56:07.480 --> 1:56:09.600 say anything. It's also like, we know what when you 1:56:09.640 --> 1:56:13.160 get into a new relationship that's not that's not a 1:56:13.200 --> 1:56:14.280 sustainable thing. 1:56:14.440 --> 1:56:17.680 Like it just seems so silly, but you know. 1:56:18.560 --> 1:56:20.320 Yeah, it just feels like none of these shows where 1:56:20.920 --> 1:56:25.200 marriage is a requirement at the end really always work out. 1:56:25.280 --> 1:56:26.880 I mean a couple of them have, I guess, but 1:56:28.200 --> 1:56:31.720 I don't know. Okay, should we move on to what 1:56:31.720 --> 1:56:33.680 would Sister Peg do? Yes? 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