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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. Well, your book that you wrote with your

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Speaker 1: wife Trish, called Phenomena deals with some various aspects of

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Speaker 1: psychic abilities. Have you always dabbled in that arena too?

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Speaker 1: You know, I've always had an interest in mystical realms.

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Speaker 1: It just seemed natural to me. Mysteries of the unknown

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Speaker 1: are intriguing. But as I was growing up, I would

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Speaker 1: find out that many people were either not interested, or

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Speaker 1: they're non believers or fearful of their paranormal which I

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Speaker 1: didn't understand. And I'm not a psychic or a medium,

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Speaker 1: but I have psychic experiences. I think everyone does or

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Speaker 1: has the potential if the if the interest is there,

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Speaker 1: that's that's important for me. It's usually spontaneous. I don't

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Speaker 1: sit like a medium and call in spirits or you know,

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Speaker 1: come up with psychic experiences, but it just happens spontaneously.

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Speaker 1: For example, one night, our cat, this is years ago,

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Speaker 1: our cat Fox disappeared for two three days and that

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Speaker 1: cat never did that, and Tris said, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he's ever going to come back. And I just

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Speaker 1: turned to her and said, I just had this feeling.

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Speaker 1: I said, he'll be back by midnight, Saturday, midnight. Here

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Speaker 1: he comes right. Yeah that we get a knock on

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Speaker 1: fox and unbelievable. That was a strange experience that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I guess the synchronicity or precognitions seeing the future. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how it happened, but it was just there. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're you're right. I think everybody has this innate ability

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Speaker 1: to develop their psychic awareness. Not everybody does it. Some

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Speaker 1: people are better than others. But it's what it's in

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Speaker 1: all of us, isn't it. Yeah, it is, Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have that sense of uh, you know, believing

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Speaker 1: in it's that you can develop and that it will

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Speaker 1: work for your benefit. That's that's the important thing. And um,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're convinced it's impossible, you know,

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Speaker 1: to see the future future event, you know, you're going

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Speaker 1: to approve that, you're going to prove that, uh that true,

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Speaker 1: you won't see it. But so it's you have to

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Speaker 1: have that expectations and you got to follow your impulses

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Speaker 1: like that was an impulse I had about the cat

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know I said it and I just

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Speaker 1: blurted for for no particular reason. You know who is

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Speaker 1: Wesley Meeks? Okay, Wesley. It is a former police officer

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Speaker 1: who uh is now a chief security officer in a Midland,

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Speaker 1: Texas hospital and Widley. Uh, Wesley, when he was ten

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Speaker 1: years old, had a UFO experience. He was it was

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Speaker 1: at fourth of July and he was going home from

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Speaker 1: a family event with his family and suddenly this light

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Speaker 1: was following the car. This was in rural Texas and

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Speaker 1: it's very dark out and uh, they're driving along and

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Speaker 1: it follows him for about five minutes or so. And

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Speaker 1: he doesn't think that they were abducted, the car was stopped,

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Speaker 1: then they get home and shortly after that, this ten

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Speaker 1: he doesn't even know have any idea what's what's happening

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Speaker 1: to him. You'd never heard of out of body experiences

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Speaker 1: at all. But he would float up around the ceiling

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Speaker 1: and that he watched his brothers, one of his brothers

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Speaker 1: to wake him up. And that's when he zipped back

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Speaker 1: to his body and he told his family about his experience.

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Speaker 1: had the ability to program these experiences where he would

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Speaker 1: go out of his body, and he had some unusual experiences.

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Speaker 1: Actually he went to a bark right, yeah, and he'd

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Speaker 1: never been to this bar, but he wanted to go there.

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Speaker 1: So he went in this bar and he's moving around

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Speaker 1: looking at him, and he's the guy said, oh, that's

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Speaker 1: really nice what you were doing. And he said, you

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Speaker 1: Two out of body guys hanging out in a bar,

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Speaker 1: same the same bar, right yeah, And who knew, you

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Speaker 1: know that out of body people hang out in bars,

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Speaker 1: but there there were two of them. So that that

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Speaker 1: as as it being some huge mansions in the sky

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Speaker 1: somewhere else where there is all this knowledge of our

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Speaker 1: lives and our history and our past lives. And he

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Speaker 1: away from the earth, zipping through the cosmos, and it

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Speaker 1: was such a sense of freedom of just soaring, and

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Speaker 1: remembered the uh, the Akashic record. And he comes to

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Speaker 1: this kind of a foggy shrouded area that he goes

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Speaker 1: through and then he sees this. He's like above this

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Speaker 1: It's enormous, and he's just looking down and there are

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Speaker 1: vase or earn, a huge you know, standing like five

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Speaker 1: never been here, but she says, those each person has

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Speaker 1: said to him, so people come here, but they don't

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Speaker 1: always in us. There are people here, you see, and

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Speaker 1: And then he also noticed there's like little balls of

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Speaker 1: and you can also change your appearance. You could change

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Speaker 1: your race, you could change your age. And she said,

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Speaker 1: in fact, I'm a younger woman about your age, and

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Speaker 1: I come here just uh I prefer to be be

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Speaker 1: And then he notices there's people all over doing the same.

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Speaker 1: that's that's his story. Yeah, the astral plane has got

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Speaker 1: some benefits, doesn't happen? Yeah, and you know you think that, well,

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Speaker 1: that something that he was uh uh is it cheating right?

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Speaker 1: I don't blame her, do you. What is science doing now,

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Speaker 1: So but Nancy just did not want to believe the

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Speaker 1: knocking over beer bottles and wineglasses. Yeah. Yeah, Robert would

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Speaker 1: go out of body at will. The guy was incredible, right, yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he really developed you know, there's different levels of experiences

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