1 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to. Here's the thing, 2 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: My chance to talk with artists, policymakers and performers, to 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: hear their stories. What inspires their creations, what decisions change 4 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: their careers, what relationships influenced their work. My guest today, 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: Ellie Kemper, is adorable, even she's admitted that she does 6 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: closely resemble Strawberry Shortcake. Most of us were first introduced 7 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: to her as Aaron, the eager and friendly receptionist on 8 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: the office. These days, she's the star of Unbreakable Kimmy 9 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: Schmidt on Netflix, now in its second season. Ellie Kemper 10 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: says she plays exaggerated versions of herself, so you'd be 11 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: correct in assuming that she is kind, optimistic, and self effacing. 12 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: Consider her theory on why she's been successful in Hollywood. 13 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: I have a very um large face that is moonlike 14 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: and sort of friendly and rube ish. You know, I 15 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: think I look like someone moonlike face that's responsible for 16 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: the career you have. Actually, yes, I think so, because 17 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: all the characters I've played sort of play up that 18 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: aspect of me, and certainly I think I do. I do. 19 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: I am sort of naturally cheerful and Sonny, I think 20 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: I am healthy. I think healthy, yes, not manic, and 21 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: certainly certainly I get bad yes, and that's not I'm 22 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: not manic. Thank you. Oh good, Now now it's confirmed. 23 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: Maybe if I were a stand up or something, maybe 24 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: that might be, you know different. I did not do 25 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: what was the beginning of that part of your career. 26 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: At the beginning of my career was in improv. So 27 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: I started doing improv comedy in college and I felt 28 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: like I was good at it. And that was the 29 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: first time I felt like I can do this. This 30 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: is something that I feel connection to and and not 31 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: only do I feel a connection to it, but it's 32 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: something that I want to or sue after college is over. 33 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: And that's that's how I started. I started doing stuff 34 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: at the Upright Citizens Brigade Theater in New York and 35 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: the People's Improv Theater. Started in college at Princeton, Yes, 36 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: to study English. I didn't go there to study English. 37 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: I got there and decided I'll study English. But I 38 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: actually played field hockey my first year. Well I was. 39 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: I was good in high school and I was captain 40 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: my team. And then I went to college and I 41 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: never played I said on the bench the whole time, 42 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: and I one day worked up the courage. It was 43 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: like Rudy to ask the coach, you know, like you 44 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: gotta put me in. Why am I not going in? 45 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: And she said because I had the tools but was 46 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: having trouble building the house. Yeah, she I never saw 47 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: her take off her some glasses and still position. I 48 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: could not. I know you didn't. I didn't let him know. 49 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: I quit in fact, But you went to Princeton not 50 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: knowing what you wanted to study. You decided to study 51 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: in wh once you got there, that's right. Did you 52 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: have an idea what you wanted to be or do? No? 53 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: And I regret that because I think that it's so nice, 54 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: if it's helpful, if you know in middle school or 55 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: high school what it is that you want to do. 56 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: I think that just helps to make decisions for you earlier. 57 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: But you didn't know you wanted to be an actress, 58 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: then that's right. If you did four years at Princeton 59 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: and graduated with a degree in English, and then you 60 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: went to OX I did for a master's for a 61 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: master's that I did not complete, but talk about. I 62 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: was like, let's give it one more go, I'm not 63 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: done yet. I've still got those quads. I have very 64 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: strong quads, quadriceps um. But I quit that. Then after 65 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: a year, I went to school for a year and 66 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: decided this is not satisfying, this is not I am 67 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: not an academic, Okay, so that is not what I 68 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: wanted to pursue. So I moved back to New York 69 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: after a year. Well you're not an academic, but you 70 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: went to Princeton and Oxford. Yeah, but I'm not how 71 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: did you get into Princeton and Scott Oxford if you're 72 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: not a student. I got in on pluck. No, I 73 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: know what I'm how do you get in? I'm well rounded. 74 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: I'll say that. I think that. I always I felt like, okay, 75 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: well I have strengths in different areas. So I felt 76 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: like that's that's I mean, I'm not dumb, but I 77 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: but I but I am not. Um. I just spoke 78 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 1: at Bucknell the other day and I was surrounded by 79 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: professors and like, oh, these are academics. Now forgive me 80 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: for saying this, but you come from a very prominent 81 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: family in St. Louisia. I don't know your family's family's 82 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: family somewhere in your family a big organization. Correct, Yeah, 83 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: I'm trying to answer the question not sound like a jerk. 84 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if prominent is a word. Success Uh 85 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: kind yeah, yeah, no, my my successful business? Yes? Yes, 86 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: are you the weirdo in the family of the four 87 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: kids that anybody else's show business? I told your parents 88 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: are going to go take your Princeton and Oxford degrees 89 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: and go beyond TV whether like no, no? They on 90 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: the contrary, they did not flinch. I think my dad 91 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: sort of thought, oh, she'll try. In fact, he said, like, 92 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: try this for a year and see what happens. Now, 93 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: you know, well, actually not in your case because you 94 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 1: were employed right away. But after a year for most people, 95 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: nothing really happens. What your first year trying to become 96 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: an actor in New York City? Um, but nobody ever 97 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: discouraged me from doing that. My mom is an actress. 98 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: I mean she sheciated at home and raised her four children, 99 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: but in high school and she's a performer, I guess 100 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: that's what I mean to say. And she was always 101 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: in the college plays. She's very funny. Both of my 102 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: parents are very funny in very different ways. But my 103 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: mom is closer to me in terms of, uh, she's 104 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: more animated, I guess and energy wise. Um, she was 105 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,559 Speaker 1: miss Adelaide guys and dolls, you know that, that type 106 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: of lady. But they were both very supportive. And my 107 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: younger sister, Carrie is a writer. Um on silicims. It 108 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: hasn't come out yet. It hasn't come out. I have 109 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: to tell you no, we've put that on hold for now, 110 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: but I want to return to that. But I personally 111 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: want to write a book, a book of essays, just 112 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: my own, some some um nonfiction. Yes, I do. I 113 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: have a lot of time. Let's not let's thank you. 114 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: I think that's a compliment that I wouldn't have time. 115 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: But I have a lot of time. So um, I've 116 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: been trying to write in the meantime because I think 117 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: that is something that I've been saying for ten years 118 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: that I want to write a book and I haven't 119 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: done it yet. When you did the Office and you 120 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: came onto the Office, you're a cast edition, which is 121 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: always a wonderful thing. I had that happened to myself actually, 122 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: where I was a cast edition on a on a 123 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: nighttime soap opera. I did the show, not s Landing, 124 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: which was a huge hit on TV, and I came on. 125 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this is great because all of 126 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: you have done all the hard work and built this 127 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: like cathedral of soap opera. And I was gonna walk in, 128 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: do a couple of numbers here and leave. When you 129 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: were cast addition on the show, how did that happen? 130 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,559 Speaker 1: How did they find you? Um? I met with Greg 131 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: Daniels and Mike Shure, who Greg Daniels adapted the British 132 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: show to American television and I got that meeting through 133 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: my agents at WM and WM and working a lot before. No, 134 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: this is what had happened. I had auditioned for Saturday 135 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: Night Live. Maybe you've heard of it and I maybe 136 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: you've hosted That'll just nut and I auditioned. Obviously did 137 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: not get the part, but I do it did help 138 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: to put me on you know, people's radar, I think. 139 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: So I just signed with a manager prior to that audition, 140 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: and then I got meetings with all the big agencies. 141 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: So I signed with W M E and they were 142 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: developing a new show which turned out to be Parks 143 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,679 Speaker 1: and Recreation, which I think is what I was initially 144 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: being considered for and I even read for a character 145 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: that's not in Parks and Recreation, but I think was 146 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: maybe going to be. And and then my manager called 147 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: me to say, first all, I didn't really know it 148 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: was an audition. I thought I was just I don't 149 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: know what I thought I was doing reading a script 150 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: with Greg Daniels. And then my manager told me, he's like, look, 151 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: I don't know how to say this, but you didn't 152 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: get the part. And I was like, I didn't know 153 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: there was a part that I was. It's okay, I 154 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: don't know. Sometimes they have a way making me feel 155 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: worse like than I do when we tell you bad news, 156 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: we want you to feel bad. Yeah, play the part, 157 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: be crushed. So then I was crushed. But then this, 158 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: this part of Aaron Hannon came up a few months later, 159 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: and because I hadn't gotten any job on Parks and Recreation, 160 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: I of course was available, and so I auditioned for 161 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: that and that's how I got it. And this kind 162 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: of like in that world, when you get into that 163 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: wheelhouse with them and they know you, they're going to 164 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: find some way. They're gonna always call you when they've 165 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: got something. So yeah, yeah, that the introduction was the 166 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: main thing, just as as meaning Lauren Michaels was was 167 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: enormous on its own. Being in a room with Oh 168 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: my goodness, when you come on the Office. You started 169 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: season five, yeah, the end of season five, and you 170 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: did until the end of season nine. Yes, it was exactly. 171 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: It was initially written for four episodes. It was a 172 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: four episode arc, and then Aaron stayed on. She became 173 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: the new secretary. Did you enjoy it when you did it? 174 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: I remember it like a dream. I think I enjoyed it, 175 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: But it was the same thing. I thought, these guys 176 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: have the train on the tracks, They've done all the 177 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: hard work, get in there, and you don't make a peep. 178 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: You just do right. But it's true. It's like, uh, yeah, 179 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: I don't just don't make a splash, and then um splash, 180 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: and then uh I did enjoy it. I think the 181 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: very beginning was just like a little bit in shock 182 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: about what was happening. Yeah, because I was a fan 183 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: of the Office, so it's surreal to be interacting with 184 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: people who you've only seen on television, you know. But then, 185 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: and especially when I look back, I'm like, that was 186 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: the greatest job. It was it was so great. Sure, 187 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: so you come on and you keep your head low, 188 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: you keep low, keep stay low. Stay love those stars 189 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: of that comedy show. Absolutely, I mean that, I think 190 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: that where are they now? They're not doing Kimmy, They're nowhere. 191 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: They're all thriving. Yes, they are. Minty projects my favorite 192 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: show ever. It's i mean, other than some other television 193 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: shows that both of us are. Oh, it's so her. 194 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: It's her distinctive voice. It's it's it's it's uh so 195 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: supremely funny. I don't know if you watch or not, 196 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: but the lines are just like so polished and honed 197 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: and hilarious. And I just think it's so unique because 198 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: it's Minty's voice. I love it and it means and 199 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: it makes me cry. So it's this very funny show. 200 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: And then this last Christmas episode, I text her, I'm like, 201 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: I'm in I'm in tears on the couch. It was 202 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: so it's touching. It's it's that is hard to pull off. 203 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: What what did you watch when you were growing up? 204 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: And what was TV in your life when you were 205 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: a kid? Um? Do you know what? Okay, we did not. 206 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: I didn't watch a ton of television In fact, we 207 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: watched Seinfeld as a family. That was the show we 208 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,359 Speaker 1: always stopped on Thursday nights to watch, which I'm surprised 209 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: because Seinfeld is a little, um, it's a little risk. 210 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: My family is into urban. Well it's a little urban. Yes. 211 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: I'm always so shocked that like four single people on 212 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: the Upper West Side would resonate with an entire country, 213 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: but it did, And and my family's conservative, not crazily so, 214 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: but like I remember not knowing what like Elaine's diaphragm was. 215 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: It was like, I am still not entirely short the contest. 216 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: I had no idea and nobody explained it or asked, 217 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: so that was fine. Just you know what hot dog eating? Right? 218 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: It was who could eat the most hot talks um? 219 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: I think I know what it means now, But we 220 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: always watched My sister and I always watched a Letterman 221 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: um uh in high school, mostly because it was on Leader. 222 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: Would your parents do for entertainment? Were they entertainment people? 223 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: Would your father stay home and like read the Wall 224 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: Street Journal? My parents, No, he's not a foreign of hersman. 225 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: They love going to the movies. Every Saturday they would 226 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: go to the movies. I think and I feel like 227 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: we went when it was appropriate, if it wasn't an 228 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: our movie. UM My mother loves television, so she watches UM, 229 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: her share, her share, and my dad also, they both 230 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: love television. In fact, he get a jockey, a sports guy. Yeah, 231 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: he was a sports guy. He still is. He works 232 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: out every day. He's very regimented. And you have two brothers. 233 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: I have two brothers, older brother John, younger brother Billy. 234 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: What do they do? John is a banker. He lives 235 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: in St. Louis. Of course he is him. He has 236 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: his three angel children who I could only got it. 237 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: He know, he's got it. These children, He's already the 238 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: bar is so high that if and when I have them, 239 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: good luck, where would this will be without the John's 240 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. John is like a rock. He is 241 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: a very he's so, he's unflappable and by the way, 242 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: infinitely funnier than my sister and me, who both technically 243 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: work in comedy. So, but he still wants you to 244 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: give him a free subscription to Netflix. Yes, and little 245 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: younger brother not little younger brother, Billy is about to 246 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: go to UM. He worked at Yahoo for a while 247 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: and he's going to go to Kellogg Business School and 248 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: Northwestern in the fall. So the men are in business 249 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: and you and your sister are in the business. Yeah, 250 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. What does she do now? Your sister? 251 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: She's writing on Silicon Valley on HBO. She wrote on 252 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: the Office while I was there as well, which was 253 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: the sister was writing on the show when you were 254 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: on There isn't that? That was incredible. My sister and 255 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: I get along very well. Luckily there's a four year difference, 256 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: and you know, we would have lunched together. She she wrote. 257 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: I think she joined in season six, I think maybe 258 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: the sixth season. And she is so funny, and it 259 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: was she like a moon faced hays To like you know, 260 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: she's oh, she looks like Godrey Hepburn. Actually no, seriously, though, 261 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: you just nailed it. She has dark dar you don't. 262 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: She has raven hair. She's her face is she raven 263 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: hair is out of a renaissance eat. I'm not an academic. 264 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: I don't know art, but it's out of like a 265 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: classical painting. She's beautiful. Where she go to school? She 266 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: went to Stanford. Oh my gosh, I know we went 267 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: so pathetic and stupid in your Well, yeah, everyone is 268 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: pretty smart, but I don't think that is I don't 269 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: think you have to go to those colleges if you're smart. 270 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: I think plenty of smart people don't go to those colleges. 271 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: When let you say that, yes, it's true. Now when 272 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: you finished the office, like, what was your feeling? Like? 273 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: I love when I did thirty Rock, I remember, I 274 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: thought to myself, it makes me kind of get choked 275 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:50,719 Speaker 1: up bout a really good cry right now when I 276 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: say this, But because it's really hit me more and 277 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: more as time has gone on, because it's like it 278 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: was a home. It was home. Because the movie business 279 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: is so gypsy, like I mean, it's so nomadic. Makes 280 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: me cry and I cry a lot. But anyway, the 281 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: dory I cry a lot. I cried the other night. 282 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,599 Speaker 1: What happened? Um? I think it was Oh, it was 283 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: an email. It was an email about plumbing for this 284 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: a plutment. I started crying, but that's a different that's crying. Yeah, 285 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: but it feels good and then it's over. We wait 286 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait 287 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait wait wait stop? What was 288 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: the plumbing email that made you crying? Well, it was 289 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: about choosing fixtures, and you cried because because I don't 290 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: know about that. I'm not an academic, I'm not a plumber. 291 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: What am I am? Nothing? I give me the lines 292 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: and all, I'm not an engineer, an engineer, and I 293 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: get frustrated very easily. It's always been this way. I 294 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: remember crying doing homework. I don't get it, and just 295 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: I get I get stressed out easily. Does your husband 296 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: handle some of this stuff? He? Or do you wear 297 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: the pants in the family? Oh? No, no, because you're 298 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: the star. Oh he's I'm not a star, but I 299 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: when when you're on my show, do me a favorite. 300 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: I need you to pretend you're a star while you're here, 301 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: because this is this is a show where there's some 302 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: quotient of stardom. We have academics who come on, and 303 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: we have people who are like in public affairs and 304 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: education writer. But then maybe people on here who are 305 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: film and TV stars, and they need to kind of 306 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: act like I need today, starkay, I am the star 307 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: in the household and in the world. And but Michael 308 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: Coleman is his name, my husband, and he is eerily calm, 309 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: not eerily comfortingly calm, so he is a good of 310 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: you said eerily. Don't back up because he doesn't he 311 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: know he's a writer. As a writer, who is he 312 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: reading for now? He created the show Nathan for You, 313 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: which if you haven't watched it, you would love it. 314 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: It's on Comedy Central. It's stars this guy, Nathan Fielder, 315 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: and it's basically, uh, it's sort of um. He's a 316 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: small business consultant who goes in and tells businesses how 317 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: to improve their business. But his ideas are inane and crazy, 318 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: and I really do think you would like it. I 319 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: want to be on it. You should be, Well, you 320 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: can't be on it. It's all real. It's all real 321 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: life people. So he goes into real life people and 322 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: with him, Yeah you should. I could go with him. 323 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: Now we put it out there. Yeah, would that would be? 324 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: That would be something that we were dancing around. Why 325 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: you cried over the plumbing? We are because well it 326 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: was night. So I'm always a little more emotional at night. 327 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: I'm tired from the day, as we all are, and 328 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: I get well, this is okay. Here's what I'll say. 329 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: I think for a person, I think for a person, 330 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: I think that I'm sort of emotional. I think I'm 331 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: a little sensitive. I think that I'm a little tightly 332 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: wound for an actress. I am like the most normal 333 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: I've ever met. I am no, I just mean that 334 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: I don't have neuroses that are crazy. But I do cry, 335 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: for example, about something that seems too much to handle 336 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: at the time. Now you still haven't answer the question, 337 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: what would the plumbing issue? What what could happen plumbing wise? 338 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: It would make you cry? It was a decision I 339 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: had to meet you weren't is in the fixtures? Yes 340 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: it was. Three different fixtures had been emailed to me, 341 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: and I don't notice differences. But Kimmi Schmiant doesn't do fixtures. 342 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: She does. It's not that she doesn't care, It's just 343 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: that I don't have a strong opinion about them. And 344 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: it made me. I guess the reason I crit is 345 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: I was exhausted and didn't want to make another decision 346 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: for them. And did you choose your husband? Chose? Um? 347 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: It still hasn't been decided. I still hasn't been decided. 348 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: Would you like me to come over and decide? From 349 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: down there to this new address? Now? The the the 350 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: you get out of the office, and how long is 351 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: the gap from that to Kimmy. Well, in fact, this 352 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: is what happened. As soon as the office was over, 353 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: I filmed a pilot for NBC that did not end 354 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: up going forward. It was called Brenda Forever. It was 355 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: very funny. But because that did not move forward, Why 356 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: do you think it didn't go forward? I really don't know, 357 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: because how do you It's like throwing spaghetti at the wall. 358 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: You never know what's gonna stick and what's going to 359 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: resonate with audiences. Frankly, I didn't know how audiences would 360 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: respond to Kimmi Schmidt. It's very weird. So this show, 361 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, the network decided we're not going to 362 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: push it forward, which happens all of the time. And 363 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: and well, you know what, there was a threesome scene 364 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: in an interracial threesome. Maybe that was too wild back then, 365 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: it was like three years ago. The pilot for it, 366 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: in the comedy it was a comedy, was very funny. 367 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: I played a orchestra conductor and it was and I 368 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: was mean, I really liked it. Meant was an interracial 369 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: three way. Yes, I could see clearly why I didn't 370 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: get picked. This is I mean it isn't that bizarre? 371 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: I mean, with the bizarre is mild you I think 372 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: you would think it was an interracial threesome with a 373 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: with a bitchy conductress with a bitchy maestro. She was duplicit, 374 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: she was she was evil like she she was bad 375 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: this character. But but isn't that the new thing antiheroes? 376 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: But then it's a story about what was the show about? 377 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: This show? Well, it was split. It was half so 378 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: Brenda Forever. We saw half of the show Brenda was thirteen, 379 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: and that was played by obviously not me, um by 380 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: a younger actor. I could do it the route. Could 381 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: we stretch a face a little bigger, change your hair, 382 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: a little change pie face will be up for it. 383 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: It's a compliment. But then the other half of the 384 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: show was me as an adult. So that's why is 385 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: Brenda Forever intercut between the young girl and the older 386 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: And it was so I really think you would like it. 387 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: It was God, I see it's nowhere, but there's DVDs 388 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: of it. I'll get you a DVD. And even I 389 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: think you would like it. It was a lot of fun. 390 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: I had a lot of fun doing that. But you know, 391 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: did one episode the pile. That was it was, it 392 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: was it. What did you do? Then? Then I thought, 393 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: what do I do? My agent Richard White's who is 394 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: Tina's agent? He and Robert Carl He said the pilot. 395 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: You know that my pilot was not going forward? He said, 396 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: get drinks with Tina and Robert New York City, talk 397 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,959 Speaker 1: about did you Yes? You had drinks with the two 398 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: of them. Changed. So the first seed of Kimmy was 399 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: you sit down with the two of them. Could do 400 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: many of them before. Now you never met them. Now 401 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: I had seen Tina intimidating. Oh dear, I was so 402 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: nervous the whole day. I didn't know. I didn't know 403 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: how to calm myself down. I mean, I was so 404 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: I was so anxious being a lawyer in front of 405 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: Supreme Court? Absolutely, And do you do you be funny? 406 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: Do you do you be smart? What do you do? 407 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: You let them talk? I think that's what they don't 408 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: want to talk. Well, they're sick of talking. And when 409 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: I'm around when I was around them, they were they 410 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: weren't very talkative. They wanted to write, they wanted they 411 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:28,719 Speaker 1: want to talk a little as possible. So you can 412 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: get back in the writers from the ride. They don't 413 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: want to waste their time with me. It was on 414 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: a Saturday night. I remember. I was like, I'm taking 415 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: up time on their Saturday. They just keep it. Would 416 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: talk to them and be like yeah, yeah, yeah, great, great, 417 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: that's not the case of writing. They endured me. Well, 418 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: I feel like they endure me every day. So this 419 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: was the beginning of the I felt like, I just 420 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: don't be crazy, right, just try to be what you 421 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: drink Carlisle. And I was like, I'm going to west side, 422 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: hing over to the east side, I mean true, and 423 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: and the thing was set up the day before, so 424 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: talk about I'm an anxious person. So I was like hyperventilating. 425 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: And then um, I thought, I'll just order whatever Tina 426 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: fe orders. So I did the first thing. I thought, 427 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: when a glass of white wine. That's funny, exactly you 428 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: drink That's so great, like google her like, great, oh 429 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: my gosh, what aggrecidence. Um and that was fine, you 430 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: know what. I was so relieved when we when I left, 431 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: I was like, well, that was fine. That was not scary. 432 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: It was we didn't talk about anything of substance. It 433 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: was just small talk chatter. Again. The constant nagging notion, 434 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: and I knew who you were. They've seen you that 435 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: that's right. So they told you they wanted you to 436 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: play Kenny. No, they basically said, we're developing a new show. 437 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: We don't know what it is, but good to have 438 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: met you, you know. I think it was a general introduction, 439 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: although maybe it was for something after that. Did you 440 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: get the script to the pilot? We met in May, 441 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: and then they met them again in July and they 442 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: pitched the actual idea to me. I thought they were 443 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: joking because the premise of the show, I know, And 444 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: I was like, and I have said this before, but 445 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: I went home that night and again I had to 446 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: call myself down. I was like getting the tub, took 447 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: a hot bath. I was like, they were pranking me. 448 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: They're super smart people with their imaginations are sucked up. 449 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: That's everything, is right. Yeah, they're brilliant, beyond brilliant. They 450 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: imagine great things. And because because they are so brilliant, 451 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: I thought for sure they're testing me to see if 452 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: I'm smart enough to know that they're joking, you know, 453 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: like I put it into my name right away, I know. 454 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: And then they weren't joking because that is the premise 455 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: of the show. And then so that was in July, 456 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: and then I saw the script in October, I think, 457 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: and then NBC picked it up for thirteen episodes. I think, Oh, 458 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: I know exactly went actually on Halloween of that years. 459 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: So from Brenda Forever to Kimmy it was about it 460 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: was April two October. So that's pretty question when you 461 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: got you got a pilot or did you get a 462 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: couple of scripts? First pilot only then we waited even 463 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: though it had been ordered for thirteen, so we shot 464 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: it the following spring and then waited four months and 465 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: then shot the rest in August, and that was then 466 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: that was filming, and as you were shooting, we're like, 467 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: oh god, this is so insane. Insane. And also and 468 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: so they did you realize that in order for that 469 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: to work? This is the funny thing because if everybody's cynical, 470 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: like sometimes, did you have to hang out with people 471 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: at uc being in order to fit in pretend you 472 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: were more cynical than you really were. Would they say 473 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: like really cynical things and put people down? You're like, yeah, definitely, 474 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's a douche. You have to hide pie 475 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: face under a bath. You do. But see the problem 476 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: with pie Face is that it's it's always with me. 477 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: So it is if I say he's a douche, are 478 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: you gonna take meat serious? Like? Are you going to 479 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, she means it probably not. Yeah, 480 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: So that's the problem. It's like you have bright red hair. 481 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: I am pie Face forevermore so like trying to say something, 482 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: it's like being Mickey Rooney. Yes this is what can 483 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: you do about it? You can't go so you embrace it. 484 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: So so there is I don't know, I think, yeah, 485 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: I can't get away with that. So you get so 486 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: you get there to do the show. And again I'm 487 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: not saying this, you realize this is one of those things. 488 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: The brilliance of the show, because I've watched a lot 489 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: of Kimmy lately, is that it is your tone and 490 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: your warmth, and that helps well. I was trying not 491 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: to interrupt you because I didn't want to interrupt the host. 492 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: But that is much more credit than is to thank 493 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: you very much. I think the writing, of course, as 494 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: it was on your show, you owe them everything. You 495 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: don't need to dress up anything because the lines are 496 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: handed to you pristine not a not a I was 497 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: about to say, not a hair lucky. Yes there, Oh, 498 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,719 Speaker 1: I think about that all the time because there's so 499 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: many dopes out there, and you would take a job 500 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: whatever you would. You would take a lot of jobs 501 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: to make money, to to earn a living, to keep working. 502 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: But then you get to work on this job, which 503 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: is truly the genus minds. So it's it's extraordinary. Now 504 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: the show is, you did two seasons and you're going 505 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: to go into a third season. You got picked up 506 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: for a third season. What did you do in the 507 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: time in between the two? What have you been doing? 508 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: I'm not like you. I'm not as industrious as my 509 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: bosses are. So they Tina went off and made a movie. 510 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: Robert went often wrote that you know, they me. I 511 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: feel like I felt like the press took up a 512 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: lot of the time in between. I felt like and 513 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: Titus and I brilliant. Titus Burgess, who plays Titus on 514 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: the show, we talked about this where like, I have 515 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: spent more time talking about the show than we spent 516 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: filming it, but that promotional requirements have now become absurd, 517 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: So in between you did a lot of press. I 518 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: just truly feel I want to ask you about Letterman, 519 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: but I'm going to ask that later, I guess, But well, 520 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: I just want to ask, like, would you ever say 521 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: you were a guest? You were one of his favorite guests, 522 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: of course, and would you ever say that was a 523 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: pleasure for you? I'm assuming like that you didn't think 524 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: of that as work. No, No, that was not a 525 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: chore at all. That was would you get would you 526 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: feel like I need to make these stories really good? 527 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: Like would you feel nervous at all? Or no? God? Yes, 528 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: Well he's a he never hid the fact that he 529 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: was restless. He's very restless. Smack, yes, and he was. 530 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: And I don't say that it's a bajard. He was 531 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: very restless. He leaned over to me one time and said, godd, 532 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how much I want to thank 533 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: you when you come here, because because sometimes this is 534 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: really tough. People come on and he has to pretend 535 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: they're special, and you're hard pressed to identify why they're special. 536 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: He must have looked forward to I mean, someone who 537 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: is just going to people that's going to come to talk, 538 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: and he were a good guest for him, He really 539 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 1: looked forward to coming and he was very kind to me, 540 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: very kind. Of course, he was super kind. My very 541 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: favorite thing, though, is when when someone goes on the 542 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: show who you can just tell from the story he 543 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: doesn't like, and he does not. I think he got 544 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: better at this time. I mean he I just mean 545 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: that he put on a a face, I guess a 546 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: polite face more often like later on. But when Starlett's 547 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: who he just didn't care about, when he just he 548 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: let them hang out to drink yes, which is great. 549 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: So during the break and Kimmy, you only did, I 550 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: honestly feel like all I did was promotion and that movie. 551 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: That's not I did not do a movie? Did I know? 552 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: I didn't? And that's wow, I know, wow. What an 553 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 1: arrogant show business card that was to turn over? Did 554 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: I do a movie that see movies? Let me my 555 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: raven the only reason. Let's try it again. Did you 556 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: do a movie? I did not? Okay, that was the 557 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: correct answer. That the reason I question my memory is 558 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: so bad. I'm thirty five. There's no reason for my 559 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: memory to behazy. It is so bad that I couldn't 560 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: remember if I Crawford Kemper I was on my gosh, 561 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: you can count the number of movies I've done on 562 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: one hand, so I couldn't. I don't know what's the goal. 563 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: When you finished the show, Okay, I like balance and 564 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: I realized that, like I I crave that. Now at 565 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: this stage, I don't know if that's good or bad. 566 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: I thought I was like a driven person, and then 567 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: I met Tina and Robert, like, oh I am. I 568 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: am not as a hard working as I thought I was. 569 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: But Ellie Kemper is just about to start working harder. 570 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,719 Speaker 1: She and her husband Michael are expecting their first child. 571 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: Explore the Here's the Thing Archives, where Kristen Wigg talks 572 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: about breaking her fans expectations. The audience very quickly puts 573 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: you in uh folder, like they know you how they 574 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: first knew you. I'm Kristen from SNL or comedic actress, 575 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: and people are always so surprised when I want to 576 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: do dramatic stuff. Really you really want to do that? 577 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: Take a listen that Here's the Thing dot Org. This 578 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing. 579 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: My guest today is actress Ellie Kemper, the star of Unbreakable. 580 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: Kimmy Schmidt now in its second season on Netflix. Ellie 581 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: plays a former cult member looking to restart her life 582 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: after being held for fifteen years in an underground bunker. 583 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: Both Kimmy and Ellie appear to have an eternal optimism 584 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: that lifts them above all the obstacles in their path, 585 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: or almost all of them. I have a problem limiting 586 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: ice cream intake. That's so dorky. That's just so such 587 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: a gross problem limiting ice cream. And you like a 588 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: Brando level, or you're at my level. I wasn't at 589 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: a Brando level. I wasn't at Brando. Okay, you know 590 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: he was an ice cream addict. No, I didn't pat 591 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: Gelson's and go into the park line, I need a 592 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: half a gallon of ice cream in the car. Why 593 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: am I just learning this now? I really don't know 594 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: out in terms of if you say you have an 595 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: ice cream problem? Was Brando? And I didn't even think 596 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: I would have connected with other I came with the 597 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: Charles Bukowski of ice cream. I can't I can't start 598 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: a point without finishing it. That's just like a pint. Okay. Now, 599 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: I had a period of my life and I didn't 600 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: get really sick from that. I gained a lot of weight. 601 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: I found that I was pre diabetic. You're you're, you're, you're, you're, 602 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: You're so fit and you're and you never work out. 603 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: Probably do you work out every day? You do have 604 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: to St. Louis thing. I'm from St. Louis and we're 605 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: just naturally damnital when naturally whippity hardy, whippity whippity pie 606 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: faced people. I et a pine cream to night. I 607 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: come home at the end of the day and it 608 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: was my reward. I was stressed out and I would 609 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: turn on the TV. I watched Turner Classic movies or 610 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: cable news or something. I recognize that experience so closely 611 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: because it is my own. I justified to myself. I'm like, well, 612 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: it is better than Jim Beam. It is better than drugs. 613 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: I mean, but it is a drug like any other. 614 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: What's your favorites? My favorite, My very favorite is Bene Jerry's, 615 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: but that is because they're so readily available. The tonight dough, 616 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: that's that tonight dough is what it's called American dream. 617 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: Now I'm only naming late night hosts, but I do 618 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: like those flavors a lot, and just cookie dough and 619 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: then for Haganaz, it's just vanilla chocolate chip, which went 620 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: off the market for a while. Can you imagine my favorite? 621 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: When you were I knew I would really cross the line. 622 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: But one time I went to a nam place and 623 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: I had three scoops of ice cream and a vanilla 624 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: shake to wash it down. I've been there, said I 625 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: couldn't make of my mind. I said, I'll have both, 626 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: and I deserve, Yes, you do. I remember They're seen 627 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: in mis Congeniality and Sandraba looks like it's time to 628 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: get chip faced, and she's talking about drowning her one 629 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: of the great lines of cinema. She's drowning her sorrows 630 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: in mint chocolate chip. And I will come into work 631 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: the next day and Lilyan and Ariel, who I work 632 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: with my hair and makeup on the show. I will 633 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: walk in and I'll be like, I'm a little bloated today, 634 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: Like in my face, it's not wine, it's not whiskey, 635 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: it's it's I'm chip faced. I'm hung over from ice cream. 636 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: What does your husband do? He's weirdly disciplined. He will 637 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: he will eliminate sugar for months at a time. Is 638 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: that weird? And then he'll go back to it. But 639 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: when he starts, he can't stop his thing. He loves licorice, 640 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: which is somehow. I mean, he has very old man 641 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: like he likes sour candies and received kid. He grew 642 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: up on the beaches of San Diego, but he is 643 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: not a beach bum. He's he's very indoor kind of guy. Um. 644 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: We met because he wrote on Conan O'Brien when Conan 645 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: used to be here. So he's like a very bookish type. 646 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: Co Oh, I miss Conan out there in l Ah. 647 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: That's what I would watch if you're if. While I 648 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: was drowned, it was so pleasant to eat a pine 649 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: of ice cream and watch David Letterman and let the 650 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: day melt away. And now I can't watch him anymore, 651 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: so so I just eat ice cream. I watch reruns 652 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: of Letterman. I'm not kidding. The Did Cavit box set, 653 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: I need to get that. Get that. I'm only recently 654 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: discovering that Cavit like his shows and uh, oh my gosh. 655 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: His show is so fantastic because they're they're just talking, 656 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: i mean talk about nothing going by from different style. Yeah. 657 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: So when the show is over and it's not gonna 658 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: be over for a while, and we're gonna do this 659 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: for a little while longer. But when the show is over, 660 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: especially people in comedy land, when the me gig ends tries, 661 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: they might get out of here and they go to 662 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: l A. Do you see yourself going to LA to live. 663 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: I would like to avoid going back to l A 664 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: because I get depressed there. I realized that recently. Even 665 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: though my sister, my gorgeous sister, you think she would 666 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: light up the whole city for me with her beauty, 667 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: but I she lives there, But I I get when 668 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: I'm not working there, it's depressing to me. I can't 669 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: figure it in a way that's different here because I 670 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: feel the same way. The whole time I was in 671 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: l A. I was working for the office and then 672 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: depressed on there. It fills me the minute I land 673 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: in New York. You are depressed in a different It's 674 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: like a very invigorating way. You know you're angry instead 675 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: of being low. You know you're frustrated and you're crying, 676 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: but and it's like full of passion. In l A. 677 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: I just feel like I'll think, Ellie, it's a gorgeous day, 678 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: It's seventy five, go for a walk. The walk depresses 679 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: me because no one is walking when you live there. 680 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: You when you shot the office wear in Van Eyes 681 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: a studio, I don't think you'd place where they used 682 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: to put dry cleaning chemicals, exactly where we were to 683 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: put perky. Where did you live of Hollywood? In Highland 684 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: that's right on Hollywood, like a record store. It was horrifying. 685 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: We moved there because I felt like, oh, this is 686 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:15,439 Speaker 1: like New York. It's a high rise. The guy next time, yeah, 687 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: that's literally. I was like, this will be this will 688 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: be happen. The guy next to us our neighborhood an 689 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: ankle monitor, which I didn't and we never knew what 690 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: it was. For one night I came home and he's like, 691 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: come on, just be a good sport. And the girls 692 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: like that hurts, and he's like it's just a taser. 693 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: Oh my god. I don't know what he was doing. 694 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: But when you when you leave there and you go 695 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: to New York, it's just much. It's just easier. I 696 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: think everything here and yeah, it's just easier to I 697 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: think everything for someone now I'm not, but for someone 698 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: like you who is recognizable very prominent. You must have 699 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: trouble going places. I would imagine in New York it's 700 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: somewhat easier. I feel like people don't want to be 701 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: caught recognizing you, and it's easier because you're in a car. Well. See, 702 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: it's a different New York exchange to what New York 703 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: has changed because people are not as they're not as 704 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: cool as they used to be. But everyone has a 705 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: phone and if someone asks you, and I have only 706 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: done this. Look people, people are not clamoring from my phoone, 707 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: but if they do ask, they will ask it like 708 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 1: the gym or something. When you're sweaty, you look terrible. 709 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: I said this one. I said, I'm so sorry, I 710 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: look disgusting. Would you mind if we don't do it? 711 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: And she goes, no, you're fine, I'm sorry, and like 712 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: lifted her phone to take it. And I can only 713 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,399 Speaker 1: imagine that this is to the five thousand degree with you. 714 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 1: But I said, I started to say it, but you're 715 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: not sorry. But I didn't say that, but I wanted 716 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: to now yes. So John Ham played the head of 717 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: the Cults and and then only appeared in the show 718 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: and flashbacks flashback to Kimmy. He does come on at 719 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: the end there's a trial and he I know, and 720 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: do you and talk about the only person who could 721 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,240 Speaker 1: have played it. He is so okay. So you're describing 722 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: this guy who presumably raped these women, he napped them, 723 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: he's a sinister figure. Then who whose face do you 724 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: attach to it? John Hammon? Well, that lightens the load. 725 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: It works. And so for whatever reason, you watch this 726 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: guy and you don't feel discussing, you don't feel disgusted. 727 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's this. I don't know how to describe it. 728 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: I've described John Ham's from St. Louis, which is where 729 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: I'm oh, yeah, well, I'll tell you something which I 730 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: always I feel like John Hamm must be sick of 731 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: me mentioning this. He went to my high school. He's 732 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: ten years older than I am, and he came back 733 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: and taught high school for a year. Um, he taught 734 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 1: our theater class. Theater class with him. I took one semester. 735 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,760 Speaker 1: He taught me the improv portion of of our classes. 736 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: But then, but then the wheels turn and eventually John 737 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: Hamm comes back and teaches acting at your class. And 738 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: then he's guesting on your shoe. Don't you forget it? John, 739 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: I may or may not have a movie to shoot. 740 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: Can I tell you? Filming with him that was so 741 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: intimidating because he is you always retain that dynamic. Talk 742 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: about crying. There's a scene in the bunker where I 743 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: really did feel like like I was so it was 744 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,879 Speaker 1: so powerful to me that I, who normally can't cry 745 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: in scenes, I started crying. Now, the character of your 746 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 1: father has never been on the show, has he not? 747 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: Or even like a weird uncle? I could come and 748 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 1: play your weird uncle. I'd love to come on and 749 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 1: play your weird uncle. Will you emailed him? Yeah, well 750 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: I've already told him now. Number two, Um, who do 751 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: you take advice from? Oh? Oh, I take a lot 752 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: of advice from my husband. You do, Oh, he's you 753 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 1: trust his opinion? Two D. He is very wide. I 754 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: kept going up and up. I was like more than 755 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: of my birthday. He and I have our own little 756 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: handy formula. Why did I come out to that? I 757 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: wanted to ump it. I wanted to up it from 758 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: that's the name of way. I wanted to up it. Michael. 759 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: Michael is very um. As I'm described. He hates it 760 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: when I describe him. His calm but he just has 761 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: a very level In fact, I think he would be 762 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,879 Speaker 1: a good manager. To be totally honest with you, I'm 763 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: talking about a show business manager. He's just smart in 764 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 1: that way. Um. But people will ask and I don't know, well, 765 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: they didn't ask you this, but people impress interviews will say, 766 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: what is the best advice Tina has ever given you? Well, 767 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: as she did, I mean indirectly. Tina can tell you 768 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: privately that the first year I was on that show, 769 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: I annoyed them so much because I tried so hard 770 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 1: to be funny on camera and off camera. I tried 771 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: to keep up with them. And then people who like 772 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: Tina Carlock Bird at all of them, reg everybody who 773 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: was running for the show back then, Volley, Uh, Tracy, 774 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: They're Paula Pelle. They're funnier on their worst day that 775 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm on the best day. They're just eighth degree black 776 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: belts Ninjas. And I always feel like China will come 777 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: into the makeup room, I'll be telling some just endlessly 778 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: boring story about the laundry machines in my buildings, just 779 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's the same thing where I'm like, 780 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: don't stop wasting her time. Stop telling this story that's excruciating. 781 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: And then she says one thing that's funnier than than anything. 782 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: You know, Well, yeah, that's very obvious. She's she's very 783 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: she's so funny. She's so funny. It's not as though 784 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: she sits down and and imparts wisdom you just learned 785 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: or I learned so much. The one thing I want 786 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: to ask you is, when the opportunity presents itself, do 787 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: you see yourself working in a drama at all and 788 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: doing any dramatic films? I think I have it in me. 789 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's something that I want to do. 790 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: I think that transition is hard. Don't you think you'd 791 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: be a mistake if you didn't? Really? What do you 792 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: think of the idea that people come to know you 793 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: in a certain way and come to expect you help 794 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: them to know you in both ways? Yeah? Because didn't 795 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,399 Speaker 1: you think it was interesting to see Teina do whiskey tank? 796 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: She can do it? Do you've ever feel like you 797 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: want to try that yourself? The pause alone speaks volumes. 798 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 1: I think that that would be I do you know 799 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: what the thing is that I feel like when I'm 800 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: being serious people laugh? Is that horrible. Maybe we've just 801 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: stumbled on something where I feel like if I were 802 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: to be uh, I don't know, I would have I 803 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: to think think about it. I'll think about it. About 804 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 1: it you want. I think you can do anything. It's 805 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: it's work. I should do it. I should after Kimmy 806 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: ends after Kimmy. You don't want to. You can't make 807 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: those two to stay in the Kimmey zone. I think 808 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: you're going to stay in the Kimmiy zone. You can 809 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: watch Ellie Kemper in The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt on Netflix. 810 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to here's the 811 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: thing