WEBVTT - Ep. 015 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.040 Thanks for tuning into the Meat Eater podcast. We're recording 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:07.760 right now out of Bozeman, Montana, specifically out of the 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:13.600 spacious placial rental home of Dan Doughty. Dan has a 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:17.560 lookout tower. We're in his basement. Many floors blow his 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:24.120 lookout power, which looks out over irrigated pasture, chickens, ducks, ducks, 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.760 foul um. In the kitchen right now, he's prepping up 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:31.960 some of his homegrown chickens. He uh to everyone who 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.720 comes in. He marvels about their size and robustness. Chickens, 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:39.640 huge chickens. This is like a homecoming for me because 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:41.680 years ago I lived at Montana for a long time, 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:46.160 about a decade, and for a short spell I lived 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:49.320 here in Bozeman and we rented. My brother and I 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.280 were living in a trailer park. In that trailer park 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:57.200 like inspires certain images in a person's mind. But this 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.360 guy own his trailer park. You know, r Have you 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:04.200 guys heard of Rock Creek. He put trailers on his 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.920 trailer park at about the same spacing that they put 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.520 golf greens on a golf course. I mean, it was 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:16.240 like paradise and it came with private access well to 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.919 Rocky Creek. Dude, there was like it was a giant place. 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.080 And yeah, I think there's like thirteen trailers on it. 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:23.600 What is it now? Is it still there? I have 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:25.600 no idea. Always want to go. Look the nicest guy. 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.480 He drove around on a golf cart. All this dude 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:33.759 did was mole grass and had this creek. We uh 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.960 picked ferry ring mushrooms off the property. We would shoot 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.240 our bowl in our own little area. He's like, oh, 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:40.880 if you boys really want to have a good place 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:44.160 to shooting, like, we had a little shooting area and 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:46.360 we'd explore that creek with fly rods. But if you 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:48.080 really wanted to get an accurate idea what was going 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:49.600 on there, you'd run a leaf for him through that 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.880 thing and turn up a whole other class of fish 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.880 out of there. No, it's a great trailer park. It 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.240 didn't make any I don't know. I never got into 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:01.040 this guy's books. It made no sense that he was 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.120 running it as a trailer park. Where from town is that? 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.240 Where is that creek? You know it's at that, it's 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.200 right by it's out by the um. What's that good 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:14.640 breakfast place out by the slaughter yard or the sail yard, Stockyard. Yeah, 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.120 Rocky Creek. But you know what it was the way 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:20.680 it was, truck's ripping down out of Bozeman Pass, hit 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:23.399 the Jake breaks. They basically not to hit the Jake 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:27.880 breaks at me and Matt's trailer, you know, just like 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:32.320 you got used to it after a while. Um, living there, 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:34.240 I found out why they call him Jake breaks. It's 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:37.919 a compression break made by Jacob Industries in Pennsylvania. Do 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:42.959 you guys already know that? Yeah? Really as dum dump 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:45.560 truck for a number of years when I was a kid. 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.280 So you're throwing a Jake breaking past my trailer with 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.800 the Jake drove down that hill and I saw your trailer, 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.760 I would hit the Jake break like that's ronella. He 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:57.200 gets to Jake. Um, all right, we're not gonna be 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:00.320 talking about trailer parks. Well, we are talking about is 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:08.520 uh the science and lower and bullshit involved with filming art. 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:12.680 The science art, lower and bullshit of filming hunts. And 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.400 this is something like I hear about. I hear about 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.160 in different ways from from people who ask questions all 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.880 the time. They'll ask how do you get into that 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.919 line of work? Right? So people will see like there's 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:26.440 a lot of guys out there who are like, man, 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.480 you know, I like the film hunts. Why can't Why 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:32.320 don't I film hunts for living? Or is it different hunting? 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.880 Like do you miss hunting without cameras? Or people just 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:43.680 having technical questions about film and hunts or um, I 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.960 feel like there's other ores. Well, there's a lot. I 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.320 mean there's a million questions, and then there's just when 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:53.160 you watch and see that people could do if you're 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:55.640 so inclined to film your hunt for memory's sake or 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.000 for whatever things that one should be doing to do 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.240 a better job. You know, you see and those articles 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.280 about how to take good grip and grins and magazines 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.480 you don't see much about like just sort of like 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:10.960 capturing film on hunts, like how to be roll footage 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:13.640 no one talks about. No one ever wrote an article 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.279 about that. I think it's interesting. Now, I'd let me 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:22.840 introduce you. Um, I'm here with Media your producer yea 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.960 honest you tell us also director and producer Dan Doherty. 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.160 These guys are both based here out of Bozeman at 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:34.800 z PC West um Casey Lvier from Hush Hushing or 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.440 Hush because he used to be Hushing your your cap 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:44.520 hushes the merch line. Hushing is the the YouTube page 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:50.000 which is hunt slash Fishing Hushing. So be like New 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:57.480 Balance and New Belle a lot like that. So explain 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.919 it again. Hushing is the Hushing is your your humongous 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.960 YouTube channel. Yeah, I wouldn't say it's humongous, but it's hard. 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.880 But just lay lay a couple of credentials out We've got. 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.120 It's a big YouTube like you do, like a big 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:12.120 I mean, we do a big, brisk YouTube business. Yeah, 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.800 the hunting channel. I run a couple of different YouTube channels. 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:18.880 I have a personal family channel we run that's very successful. 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.880 We've got over five hundred thousand subscribers, almost to hit 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.800 a hundred million views, and then the hunting channel is 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:29.480 doing really well and it's got what five hunting and fishing, 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:36.240 outdoor cooking, Hushing Hushing subscribers, and then we're almost gonna 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.720 hit ten million views, which I mean when I started 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.919 this four years ago, my brother was the one that 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:45.360 convinced me to do this because he was doing YouTube 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.599 full time back then and he's like, why don't you 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.279 make a hunting channel on YouTube? I'm like that is 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.800 not the audience that's on YouTube or on the internet really, 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.880 So it was a hard game at first, but now 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.240 there's it's opening up and other people are starting to 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.600 put con hint on there and and I think more 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.839 and more hunters and fishermen are knowing that they can 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.600 watch stuff on there. So it's done well. So, I mean, 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:09.920 compared to some of the giant YouTube channels, it doesn't 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:11.520 seem like a lot, but for what we're trying to do, 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:15.000 it it's done really well. And uh yeah, we're excited. 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:19.039 Then Chester the Blaster yea, he really drives a van. 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:23.159 I wish I had a van Eric Eric Ester, Eric Chester, 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.560 not Chester, not Chester. But everyone wants to make it. 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.520 Everyone wants they want to do what I just did. 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:31.799 I could spell it out for him with two s's 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.839 and now somehow put a T in there and how 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.840 do you what's your affiliation? Well, it's pretty cool. How 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.520 Casey and I met. We actually met at the Big 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:44.520 Western and uh Western Hunting and Conservation Expo in Salt 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:48.920 Lake and I was making films and DVDs and some 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.520 YouTube films before I met Casey, and he introduced himself 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:59.080 to me, and uh, hunting, films, hunting, DVDs, shed hunting, Um, yeah, 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.919 anything we can get there in film. And uh, he 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.640 introduced himself to me as a YouTuber and it just 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.960 blew me away that he did YouTube videos. I really 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:13.480 didn't understand it. Um. Since then, we've just kind of 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.160 pardoned up and did some collaborative hunts together and now 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:19.760 we're working together. Are you still doing DVDs? No, No 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.840 more DVDs right now, We're just gonna We're committed to YouTube. 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:26.040 And then that's the direction we're going. It's hard to 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.040 sell it DVD these days, and it is. I think 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:33.280 DVD sales are going down. I mean we're still whatever 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:38.880 the out Yeah on the high dude, you want to 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.480 know something like like like this sort of apocryphal? Is that? 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:44.920 What was that a word? An apocryphal story? I ever 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:48.360 like to date myself, not to go on dates myself 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.360 with to date like my era. When I was born. 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:55.480 I remember being in a class in college at Lake 0:07:55.520 --> 0:08:00.280 State University and it would have been nine and I 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.080 was in his communications class, okay, and it was like 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:05.720 one of the things you have to do is you 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:09.520 have to make a persuasion speech. Okay. I remember dude 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.000 getting up there and saying, man, you should be getting 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.440 rid of your tapes because CDs or where it's at, 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:20.560 it's like they don't have the tape, don't break yeah, 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.720 and being there man like I don't know, man, there 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:27.880 was a potent argument in favorite CDs, I'm switching. It 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:29.920 seemed like such a risk back then to give up 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:33.640 those those cassettes for this new thing. Right, are you 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.240 guys old enough to have had cassettes? Dude? I remember 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:38.880 my I would say I was in fifth grade, but 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.480 it might have been like six or seventh. I had 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.560 a yellow walkman, and these were like really popular, I 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:48.679 feel like, and you could like put them under the Yeah, 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:50.600 and I had this and yeah it was a cassette 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:52.920 and that I listened to that thing for like three 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:57.080 years like New Kids on the Block, criss Cross. You 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:01.280 guys remember these guys. Yeah, So I'll tell the first 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.480 tape I ever own, this is way off such the 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:07.679 first tape everyone was a Ghostbusters soundtrack. Really yeah, Mine 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.959 was Aky Breaky Heart. I think I own that same 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.920 canseet at one point I might still have it. So 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:18.520 you you self identify as a YouTuber, I do, I 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:20.800 mean so you're like, but when I think of the YouTube, right, 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:25.719 people who do unboxing videos, which I discovered to my kids, 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.160 watch a video of someone taking the toy out of 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.640 a box, and they'll have millions of you. The biggest 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.840 niche in YouTube right now. And there's a channel out there. 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:35.560 I can't remember what it's called, but it's basically a 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:39.840 lady to unboxes Disney toys, plays with him for a second, 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.120 never shows her face. It's like an over the shoulder shot. 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:47.960 Plays with these toys. Videos done twenty million views. My 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.559 kid man, you like you caught him loose on YouTube, 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:51.760 which I don't like to do because all of a 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:55.280 sudden he's talking about stuff he ran into. But you 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.120 caught him loose on YouTube. Would be like, he likes 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.959 monster trucks. Yeah, so you play them anster truck video 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:04.040 and the next thing he's watching is someone unboxing monster 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:08.160 truck toys and he just like mouth opened, drool coming out. 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.800 It's like that he just is transfixed. And how they 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:12.640 do it where you don't see the person, you just 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.280 see the person's hands. Yeah, I'm gonna do unboxing videos 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:21.120 of critters. Yeah, how what's in there? It's five? Yeah? 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:23.960 The thing is with why they're so popular is because 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.400 what does a five year old too? He rewatches that 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.440 thing a hundred times. Yeah, it's like going back to 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.040 the Ghostbusters. I just showed my youngest boy or my 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.040 oldest boy the Ghostbusters. We watched the video. He's watched 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.319 it ten times since. So they watched this unboxing video 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:40.880 and I'm just gonna watch it one time and move on. 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.079 That's how you rack up hits on YouTube. You have it, 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.000 so they watch and then it gets into that category 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.320 of unboxing. So every video it suggested videos and unboxing 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.800 video and they just it's the same channel and just 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.040 clicking over and over and over, like wrapped in paper 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.600 like a birthday or it's just how it comes to 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.200 the store. You'd be like, yeah, but you could go 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:02.040 go you could go watch unboxing videos of a fishing reel. 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:06.080 Going to like going to YouTube and type in unboxing 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.720 Chamano stratic and there will be a guy being like, 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:12.319 so I just got the Shamano stratic um. He'll kind 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:17.600 of like show yeah, cost it's open up, will open 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.840 it up and okay, so it's in a little cell 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.800 phone bag, Um, I get that open it comes to 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.079 the extra spool. I kind of I'm liking the quality 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:30.400 of this spool. Let's take a look, or here's the handle. Yeah, 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:32.720 and that's why I like, Yeah, you're like your mind, 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.840 You're just like you can't. It's just amazing. Man. And 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:40.920 there's they get manicures, nice manicures. That's that's a big secret. 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.280 I think of an unboxing video, I couldn't do it. 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.080 I don't have pretty hands. So it's you and the 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:49.840 unboxers and you. When did you start making hunting videos? 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:52.920 I think we up. I uploaded the very first hunting 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:58.640 video like four years ago, like four years ago, January. 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:02.600 What was it it was? I don't talk about those 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:06.400 first videos, Steve, No, it was. It was the very 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.240 first video I ever put up. Was a UH reel 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.520 of that season that I was getting ready to upload. 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:14.679 So it was like the thirty second highlight of the 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:18.199 five hunts I filmed. So the first film I put 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:23.280 up was I think my brother's elk hunt um and Uh. 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.400 It was a good film. No, it was terrible, but 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.960 it was like thirty minutes long and it was mostly 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.560 me and my brother sitting in our little UH studio 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.760 office in California talking about this Hunt, showing some clips 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.880 of The Hunt basically, and uh it, I mean it 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:43.280 still gets views. It's probably been viewed two thousand times. 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:45.760 But I watched. But it's good. Like I tell people 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:48.520 that those first couple of films are kind of embarrassing 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.600 because I'm just like, what was I doing? But it's 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.719 good to watch because then I can see how far 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:56.559 we've came. So but totally stilf taught. Oh yeah, I mean, 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.120 if you want to talk about like going blast blast 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.600 from the past. I learned how to film and edit 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:03.400 videos when I was in high school because I was 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.520 trying to become a professional snowboard I was writing for 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.559 a company in Salt Lake, and I was trying to 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:10.600 get the bigger sponsors on and so I'd go out 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:15.360 with my mom's VHS, I mean five pounds camera, shoot 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:19.040 video of me snowboarding, go, and I'd cut from VCR 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.360 to VCR and I spent hours doing this for like 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.360 this three minute clip. And then I'd send all these 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:26.960 v vhs is out to these snowboard companies like hey, 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:30.400 sponsor me, you know. So that was my like initial 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:35.320 approach into filming myself. But um, then I started filming 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:39.959 hunting and stuff later. But yeah, like self taught pretty 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.000 much like on all the new edending software and all 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.920 the new HD cameras and all that stuff. I think 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.600 it's worth mentioning. I think that's when we aired Mediator 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.600 the first time four years ago in January, right, the 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:54.599 same length of life here. Yeah, I can't turn a 0:13:54.679 --> 0:14:00.120 camera on. I honestly, I'll see camera like beeping and 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:01.520 I'll be like, oh, you know, almost to running out 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.880 of battery. I just come find someone. I'm like, hey, man, 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:06.679 there's needs to be a problem out there with one 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:10.640 of the campus that sounds wrong. I can't figure it out. 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:14.800 It's making noise. Yeah, so we Yeah, so we started 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:19.360 doing hunts. Like the first hunt I ever filmed was 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:25.480 two that pow. Yeah, I started doing I think it 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:29.880 was in two thousand two nine. But it was like 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:31.520 a whole different deal because it wasn't like the self 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.800 taught thing was rolling in with like some professional mugs. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.600 But I wasn't filming see, like, I don't comfort perspective. 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:38.320 That's why I'm glad Dan and the host are here, 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.720 because like talking about film and hunts, I don't really know, 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:43.880 you know what I mean. I can't even speak to it. 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:48.440 But I have a lot of things about I have 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:49.960 a lot of feelings that I'd be curious to get 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:58.640 your take on it. The way the way filming it um. 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:00.840 In some way, I want to say it bad asteridizes it, 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:04.200 but in some ways that kind of glory like makes 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:10.080 it better. You know, no, just to be capturing it, 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.040 because I often get hung up on sort of the 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:19.120 big idea of why, like why film it? Like what's wrong? 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.640 Stuff is being in your head? No, I agree, do 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:25.040 different wonder about it? Yeah? Like then, but but I'm 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:27.040 almost shamed to admit I have a ton of fun, 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.480 Like in some ways it's more fun to go out 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.920 and film it. Yeah, I mean there's I guess there's 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:33.760 two ways to look at it, Like I do the 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:35.880 hunting thing. But we also, like I was talking about earlier, 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.320 we have this family channel wher I vlog is like 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:42.640 a video log diary of our daily life. And I 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.200 don't VIEO tape every day, but five to six days 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.200 a week I uploading video to YouTube of me and 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.200 my wife and our kids hanging out doing living our life. 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.600 It sounds crazy, I know, but and I love having 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.840 those moments I love going back and being like, look 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:57.280 at when you were three. You know, because we've been 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.520 doing it for four and a half five years. But 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.800 there are certain times and certain things and moments that 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:06.000 happened that I go to take out the camera, said no, this, 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.080 this just needs to be in my head. It doesn't 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.120 need to be shared with anybody else. You did, like 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.280 upload your children passing through the birth canal? No, but 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.240 pretty close. I mean my wife wouldn't allow that, obviously, 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.640 but she had a c section the last baby, and 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:24.400 that's the only one I really filmed, and like upload, dude, 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.800 my wife like, we got to a point now, Dan, 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.760 your couche has falling apart. Oh no, we got two 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:32.680 points now. My wife won't even let me put pictures 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.880 of my kids online. I was gonna ask you about that. Yeah, 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.880 we decided that no filming kids. I don't even want 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.520 kids on my show. Yeah, no filming kids. I don't 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:44.040 put my kids anywhere. And I'll put pictures of my 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:45.640 kids up. I can put pictures in the back of 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:49.560 their heads up. But in my mind, I just gotten 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:53.440 to be where it's like that's something that they need 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:57.040 to decide for themselves. Yeah, it's a big thing. It's 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.360 not just private, right, So it's like, later on, are 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:04.480 you gonna be glad that someone exploited is a strong word. 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:05.760 And I can say this because I did it, Like 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.600 I put my kid on tv UM later on and 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:13.040 be like, are you gonna be glad that someone took 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:18.159 the liberty of broadcasting your life for public consumption before 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.520 the age of consent? Yeah? I mean, so it's like 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.320 it's in a little way, I just feel like it 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.480 started to feel to me like very exploited him and 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.680 not just that dangerous dangerous and exploited him. I thought, 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:30.920 you know, i'd be curious to hear your take on it. 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.280 Now I I have. That's like the one of the 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.879 biggest concerns people always ask us is like, do you 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.200 really want your kids out there? Like or do they 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.800 do they later want to be out there? Yeah, I mean, 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.199 who knows what they're gonna want to do, you know, 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.360 ten years from now, Like maybe they're gonna come back 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.160 and be like dad, like why did you do that? 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:54.000 But it's always very clear with with me and my 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:56.040 wife that if they don't want to be on film, 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.280 they will not be on film. But they too little 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.920 to know are you ask my kids what do you 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.240 want to eat? What do you tell you wants to eat? 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:12.000 Mac and cheese? So that's what he wants to eat. Yeah, 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.440 So I mean, and that's my My last name is 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.560 actually Butler, but when we started the channel, I didn't 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:21.240 want my information out there, so I used my middle name. 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:26.480 And now all the information about me is out there. Yeah, 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.080 but I don't know, like I get there. I've heard 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.120 some weird stories I've had, like, uh, big bloggers tell 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.359 me crazy stories about their kids and pictures and stuff 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:39.360 end up in the wrong places, and I mean, yeah, 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:44.160 it frightens me. But I mean you really can't get 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.159 on any social media platform Facebook, Twitter or anything and 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.399 post any pictures then really nobody can. It's not like 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.560 I don't feel like they target us because what we 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:56.720 do they just find whoever. And I don't understand it all. 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.080 And uh, but here's another way to look at it, 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:01.679 because I've had this conversation with my brother. He has 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:03.240 five kids. I have three kids. We talked about this 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:07.080 all the time, like we all like me, my brother, 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.080 my two brothers, my sister, my wife, his wife, like 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.520 we all make YouTube videos for a living. It's like 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:16.960 the family business now, and it is this is a 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:20.000 little bit out there, far fetched. But if you grew 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:23.159 up on a dairy farm and you didn't want to 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.800 be a dairy farmer, is your dad doing to still 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:29.000 make you go out and milk cows? It's a family business, 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:31.320 like it's kind of way I look at it, but 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.720 it kind of not because it is. Maybe later on 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:35.200 in life my kids are gonna be like dad, I 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:41.960 didn't want you to record my first trade, you know, graduation. Yeah, 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.520 But I mean that's a good point. Family business, that's 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:47.160 what we do for a living. If I didn't see 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:48.840 all if I didn't see all sides of I would 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:50.840 have brought it up. If I was just like I 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:52.680 knew I was right and I was super confident in 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:54.440 being right. I have never brought it up. I don't 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.479 know the answer to it. Don't either. But the thing 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.000 about this isn't why I brought up. I'm gonna do 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:04.200 a seamless segue. I feel the same way. Sometimes part 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:08.399 of me feels the same way about hunting that I 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:12.480 do about kids. Is it like the exploitation of something 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:19.400 so beautiful filming it? And sometimes I feel like um, 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:23.640 like it's a deal with the devil. I don't understand 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.080 why I deal with the devil because I just feel 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:31.000 like this happened. No farther, let's say a quick break 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.640 they hear from our sponsors will be right back. I'll 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:39.120 just talk about that. Filming hunts sometimes feels as though, 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:46.879 um that that at the risk of sounding spiritual, No not, 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.080 let me no, not not at the risk of sounding spiritual. 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:52.440 That there's sort of this thing like in the natural world, 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:57.000 you're sort of being gifted glimpses into some things, you know, 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:03.280 and it's yields private or it feels like, um, like 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:05.760 you paid some level of dudes to be there and 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:08.239 see these things happen, and then to see it and 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:12.280 then to capture or to interrupt that moment in order 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:17.800 to make an accounting of it. Starts to feel like, well, why, like, 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:20.359 is it not just good enough that it just happened? 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:22.480 Does it really have to happen that way? And I've 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:24.960 gotten to the point where something amazing will happen, what's 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:27.000 the first thing out of my mouth? Did you get that? 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:30.560 It's like it wasn't you know what I mean. It's 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:34.480 like it makes you sort of reset expectations in some way. 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:36.879 But also I think good things come of it, you 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:38.439 know what I mean. I think that you're like to 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:42.840 introduce people to certain worlds. You're like inspiring people and 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:44.639 you just have to make a record. You know. The 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:50.000 oldest representational art we know about is dudes doing depictions 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:53.000 of their hunt on cave walls. People for a long 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:56.320 time have been saying, like I did, and I will 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:59.320 now record. You know, does it feel different to you 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:03.920 than writing about Hunt? Yeah? For some reason. Yeah, it's 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:08.000 more intrusive, more more intrusive. I agree with that, Like 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:10.840 there are some things I think that should be experienced 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:15.879 and should just be uploaded into your brain. And that's it. 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:17.840 We were talking about one on the way here, like 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:20.040 the cell count we did last year. He filmed it. 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:22.800 I shot this really nice bowl and he got it 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:24.800 all on on film. But there's this one moment, like 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:26.480 the very first time I saw the bowl coming through 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:29.479 the trees, and we had got none of it captured. 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:31.919 But that's something that's it feels like it is captured 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:34.200 because I I replay that all the time and that's 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:36.000 like my moment, you know, like that was like my 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:39.120 thing that only I experienced, And that's pretty pretty rat 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:42.359 but like what you were going after, like with it 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:44.800 does good things. And you've said it before, like the 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:48.520 you feel like your shows the hr of of hunting right, 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:52.240 Like it really shows a lot of people that other 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:55.479 world words wouldn't have watched hunting what it really happens. 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:57.920 And that's probably the coolest thing that we see on 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:00.560 on our YouTube channels because we have such a big 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:04.879 audience that aren't necessarily hunters. There were anti hunters, they 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:07.520 were vegetarians or vegans, you know, they're the people against it, 0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:10.480 and then they really watch what what a hunt really 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:12.960 requires and what it takes. It's not just a bunch 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:15.080 of deers jumping in the truck with the case of beer, 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:17.720 driving out, killing everything you see and going home. But 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.640 we respect these animals and we consume these animals and 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:25.040 and so yeah, it is tough sometimes thinking that you 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:27.640 exploit those animals for what you do. But I think 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:31.680 in the long run, uh, what the meat Eater shows done, um, 0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:33.840 I feel like we've done the same on YouTube. It 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:36.680 really opens the eyes to the people that might not 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:39.440 have understood what we did before. And I think that's 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:41.479 the biggest problem with people that don't agree with what 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:44.400 we do is they're just not educated on it or 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:49.800 got or do in fact know about something that happened, 0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:53.439 but they know about an anomalous thing that happens, you know, 0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:56.639 like that one day, like they live in a suburban 0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:58.240 one day a deer comes a rounding their yard with 0:23:58.240 --> 0:23:59.840 the arrow hanging out of it, arrow stuck in its 0:23:59.880 --> 0:24:01.960 like kind they're like, oh, so that's what that's all about. Yeah, 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:06.520 you know, no one ever shows up those moments though, 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:09.400 when when you think may should you know, should only 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:12.400 be for yourself? When we do film them and say 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:16.800 I'm shooting you and I you know, capture you experiencing that, 0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:18.760 Like there's there's an I think there's like a next 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:22.720 level of I don't know, just I guess context, but 0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:26.520 possibly beauty too, to see someone having an emotional or 0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:30.200 experiential thing happened. Like remember when we shot Joe Rogan 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:32.680 shoot his first year, there's that moment that that MO 0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:35.919 captured there that is you know, not that it's greater 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:38.720 than his experience, of course it's not, but there's something 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:41.800 really powerful there and you know we're looking for that. 0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:44.080 I mean, that's what Johannis and I are looking for 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:47.960 as much as possible. Is that real experience. But you 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:50.240 know it's interesting because you know, you're not the writer 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:52.639 in that case. In that case, the producer of the 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:56.800 shooter is the writer and you're the subject. And um, yeah, 0:24:56.800 --> 0:24:59.320 I mean that's what we go for. So it's it's 0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:02.280 I mean, I don't think it is exploitative necessarily animal. 0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:06.399 I think it's also can be incredibly respectful specifically towards 0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:09.199 that situation for sure. Man Like yeah, just to render 0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:12.040 it and I think that, you know, I guess it's 0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:16.159 it's some little thing where wildlife art, wildlife photography always 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:19.200 feels celebratory of the animal, you know what I mean? 0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:21.080 And I think you can get to that as well. 0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:22.600 I don't want to just talk about this because I 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:25.080 want to talk aboutther stuff. When you guys just like 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:27.600 from a technical standpoint, capturing a hunt on film, now 0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:29.840 that we've gotten into like why do guy want to? Right? 0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:32.959 Or should you want to or whatever? What do you 0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:36.280 think like from your guy's perspective, all having had tons 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:39.560 of experience doing this, Dan, you don't know, produce sixty 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:43.240 episodes of meter been on, so that many hunts film 0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:47.119 that many hunts are more more actually Um, when you 0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:51.200 guys watch let's just say you're on YouTube and you're 0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:56.760 watching hunt videos the guys have made what's the what 0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:59.800 do you feel is that could be technical content whatever? 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:01.760 What do you feel is like the thing that guys 0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:04.000 most often do wrong? Or like what are some things 0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:07.200 that you're gonna offer up answer this question anyway? See fit? 0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:10.200 But like what do they do wrong? What could people 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:17.679 do different? They would improve their stuff everything. It's very 0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:21.680 easy to watch somebody else's content and and critique it right, 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:27.280 Like you can say I was right to me. For me, 0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:30.439 I like like those moments you're talking about. I like 0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:34.080 the realness of the hunt and like capturing, uh, the 0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:37.240 emotion behind it, and like I caught one of his 0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:39.960 moments when he killed that his very first like big 0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:44.679 bowl on rifle and the emotion. It was twenty seconds 0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:47.280 of you know, of his raw emotion and it made 0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:49.080 the whole film like it made the for the three 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:51.920 days we filmed. Like, um, I think the biggest thing 0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:56.720 that I see in like YouTube or TV is anything 0:26:56.760 --> 0:26:59.760 that's not real. It's staged and you can see right 0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:02.000 through it. And there's so much content out there just 0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:05.560 staged hunts where they go and kill something and then 0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:09.880 they'll go back and reshoot whatever. Yeah, the responses. Yeah, 0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:13.520 another thing you see a lot of that makes um 0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:16.199 that that it is difficult to watch. It's just the 0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:20.320 standard way of setting it up of be like, Hi, 0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:25.200 I'm here with Bob and we're on Bob's beautiful place 0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:29.200 and we're gonna that's a difficult thing to get around. 0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:34.160 You know, it's difficult. There's an economy, like staging stuff 0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:38.040 is economical. I mean it's like easy and quick. When 0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:40.040 we started out when we used to do like we're 0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:43.240 just particularly doing while then as you'd always do these 0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:45.520 like you have two people have to meet, right, you're 0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:49.560 going to meet someone, but you don't film the meeting 0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:54.439 right because it's chaotic, So later you gotta do like 0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:57.439 so you walk up and shake their hands. And I 0:27:57.440 --> 0:28:00.520 still see that TV now we're like it'll be a 0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:03.120 really like one of those real estate shows and there'll 0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:05.119 be a shot where a guy's walking up to a 0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:08.320 door and there's a shot on the inside of the 0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:11.520 person hearing the knock, and then they opened the door 0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:14.040 and meet, and they don't meet like how people meet. 0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:17.639 You know, they're meeting in the way they meet on TV, 0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:22.520 which isn't how that interaction goes down. We used to 0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:26.000 do those all the time, Yeah, because like, how is 0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:30.639 she gonna get into it? Yeah? The key we realized 0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:35.000 is to get into it with v O and b rolled. 0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:41.480 I hooked up with Doug right dog like doing some 0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:45.920 Doug type activity and just take for granted. People realize 0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:48.360 there must have been that moment when you shook hands 0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:51.960 that we're not when the door opened from the Yeah, 0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.560 but they were not seeing and it's like to see it. 0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:57.840 It's like a relief to me to not have those 0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:01.320 anguished so in I always like, if you're doing stuff, 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:04.640 if something makes you feel so awkward and self conscious, 0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:10.040 try to find another way of doing it, because everyone's 0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:12.320 gonna feel awkward and self conscious. There's probably people out 0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:14.320 there who could knock on the door and do like 0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:17.080 a meat and it just feels great. Dan used to 0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:20.400 be into a fishing show, which one Oh yeah, he 0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:22.520 was good at it. He was amazing. What was that 0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:24.800 calling him? All man? Do you know what I'm talking? 0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:28.600 He's a wrestler. Anybody's seen this. He's a Canadian wrestlers redhead. 0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:33.400 He would extreme fishing and he'd like It was a 0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:36.280 great showman. He was entertaining. He was so easy in 0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:39.040 his own skin though that he could do those because 0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:42.040 he's a professional. I mean he was a performer, you know, 0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:44.000 he was an actor. He was a performer. He knew 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:45.600 how to do that. But no, I mean he could 0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:47.360 walk into a bar and do like a fake meat 0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:49.320 in the bar and it was fun, Like he hit 0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:51.160 a whole fresh joke. Was it just like his name? 0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:55.960 It was like Billie Damn was the only guy watched it. 0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:58.160 I thought I thought it would have beat the Super 0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:01.000 Bowl for in ratings. It was on It was not 0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:03.320 Discovery or something for a while or Natio. It was 0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:07.120 on Nato. I'm really interested though that dude to carry 0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:11.200 your program. Man, I'll look it up sometimes during this 0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:13.719 and bring it back up. But I want to say that, like, 0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:16.800 I think the two main things people can do, and 0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:18.400 they're huge, and I don't know that people can do 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:21.040 them easily. But number one has learned how to tell 0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:23.520 a story in a basic sense, and that means that 0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:26.040 there's a beginning, of middle, and end and that it 0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:28.560 shows an arc of what happens. And I don't think 0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:34.160 that hunting videos do that very well. Uh, historically they 0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:36.880 don't do that. And you know, it's been our focus 0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:39.360 since the very beginning, you know, ZPZ. We've had a 0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:42.640 you know, a crack team of storytellers being very very 0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:46.040 specific about how to craft are our stories from beginning 0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:48.120 to middle and end and how they work. And we 0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:50.440 put a lot of time. Now Janice puts, you know, 0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:53.479 weeks into episodes before we go going, before we go 0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:57.160 out there with a plan, and then uh, monitoring that 0:30:57.240 --> 0:31:01.360 story while it's happening, and then and they edit process afterwards. 0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:03.600 It is a massive amount of work, a massive amount 0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:08.080 of people and energy that goes into really defining that 0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.880 story and making it entertaining, keep you moving all the 0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:13.840 way through it. And uh, that's huge. I mean, I 0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:17.400 think that's probably number one. And the second major thing 0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:21.680 for for making hunting videos better would be too just 0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:26.160 learn the basics of framing, the basics of your gear, 0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:31.360 and the basics of of shooting, um like blocking, so 0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:35.160 you know, a combination knowing how to cut from a 0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:38.240 close up of Casey's face to a wide shot that 0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:40.800 shows what he's doing with the context of where he's going. 0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:44.600 And there's there's a million things to consider, but probably 0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:46.920 the best way to learn it is to be in 0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:49.640 the edit room and actually put something together, because then 0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:51.800 once you go out there, you know what the heck 0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:55.560 you're looking for to start with. Pieces together, you realized 0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:59.600 stuff you wish you had totally and how to shoot that. Yeah, 0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:02.560 he's specifically know how to shoot that exact thing. You'll 0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:06.680 know what you need. Like Nick Brigden's the creative director ZPC, 0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:09.200 and he gave me a lot of my starting moded. 0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:13.000 But that's what makes his particular magic and everybody talks 0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.959 about it because he shoots what he addits, you know, 0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:18.000 and so when he's when he's out on the field 0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:20.560 or if we're in the field of somebody who knows 0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:24.080 how to shoot for the edit, it's all up in 0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:26.000 their head, you know. They just they know what they're 0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:27.880 gonna get. When they get it, they get that feeling 0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.120 it's done, and then you just move on and it's 0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:32.720 just like, uh, you know, checking off boxes all the 0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:35.480 I want to speak to the story thing real quick, 0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:40.200 because um, it's hard to even define what story is. 0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:43.040 But one way you might get into a story is 0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:45.920 in the most basic element a story is something changes, 0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:50.440 you know what I mean, Like something changes. Um, we 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:55.160 work like at media, we were with a lot of 0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:58.080 people who a lot of people, the majority people did 0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:00.440 not come out of hunting. They came out of storytelling, right, 0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:03.360 They came out of film writing various things. So they're 0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:07.200 they're their first and foremost love is telling stories. It's 0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:09.120 just this is a variety of story. But that's what 0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:11.280 it is. It wasn't like they love the film hunts, 0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:13.440 but they wanted to learn how to make that in 0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:16.200 the story, so they already got that part down. Another 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:19.080 thing is I think that what we found is maintaining 0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:23.360 a certain amount of flexibility about what the story is. 0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:27.640 Because Dan alluded to the pre production process for yas 0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:32.200 might spend a much time on like a story. Oftentimes 0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:34.960 you'll be mid stream and realize that it's just not 0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:39.520 there and or something different is going on, and you're 0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:43.280 sort of making these game time decisions, Um, do we 0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:46.200 follow the story? Sometimes the story is hard because, like 0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:49.240 I always make a joke about what's production and what's content. 0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:54.080 Sometimes you're in a story that feels very production. You 0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:57.920 know what it feels like the story Like let's say 0:33:57.960 --> 0:33:59.200 you're going on a hunt and all of sudden you 0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:02.000 can't go where you want to go. I'll be like, man, 0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:04.840 this is like a what I would call a production issue. 0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:07.560 This is like in the way of us doing this. 0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.200 But you realize that sometimes out of that comes a 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:15.600 sort of you know, another story or an actual story 0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:17.840 that would be a narrative that you would tell. A 0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:20.680 different example, be like you can't film at night. Okay, 0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:23.000 so you can't sider or it's hard to film at night. 0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:26.040 Let's say you're feeling under your spear fishing underwater at night. 0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:28.400 Let's just say that it would be very difficult to 0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:31.760 light that and do that. That's a production thing, right, 0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:34.840 It's like, it's hard to film at night. So oftentimes 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:37.440 I find the main thing you're thinking about is you 0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:40.120 get lost in what it requires to make a story 0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:42.400 and you start missing sort of the story that you 0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:46.640 would be experiencing in the absence of filming. No. No, 0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:48.760 it's like that's going to Bolivia to film our shows 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:51.400 and realizing that it rained for dirty days and then 0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:54.600 you couldn't catch any fish, which is so you have 0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:58.960 this production but it was But you're right, there's this 0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:02.799 interesting moment when you know you deviate from what you 0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:05.200 want the story to be to to having to reckon 0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:07.960 with what's actually happening. And I think hunting is an 0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:12.080 incredible stage to learn storytelling in that dynamic way because 0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:15.560 you can't predict anything. Yeah, you can't to an extent. 0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:19.920 You're always having to shift your your focus at every point. 0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:22.560 I mean, whether it's just the light or the weather, 0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:24.839 or the animals aren't doing whatever. You know, you're sort 0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:28.120 of you're intending for something to happen, and then it's 0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:31.920 not gonna happen most likely, Yeah, it's I think I 0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:34.319 think it would be tough to try to set up 0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:36.240 a story before you actually go out on the hunt. 0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:39.880 I mean, typically you go out, you meet the landowner 0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:42.600 with that really awkward handshake, go hunt, kill an animal, 0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:45.800 buttri it you're done right. But so many times in Honey, 0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:49.480 it just goes wherever it wants to, Like your adventure 0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:52.719 leads you somewhere different. And I don't know, like going 0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.880 back to what you're talking about like cutting, editing and video, 0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:58.080 you know, shooting, I don't think you can be a 0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:02.319 good cameraman until you actually start editing that footage and 0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:05.480 then you learn what you made, where you made your mistakes. 0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:08.920 It certain yeah, Like my wife just started. She has 0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:11.480 a big craft show on YouTube, and she just started 0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:14.319 cutting her own videos where and she started shooting her 0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:21.120 own videos and she was craft like making crafts, hair tutorials, recipes, 0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:25.919 mom show basically. Um, but you guys really are deep. 0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:29.799 We are. Yeah, we're drowning in YouTube. But it's it's 0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:33.479 been great. I mean, what's hugely successful. Yeah, it does well, 0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:35.879 and it's allowed us to be with our kids. Like 0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:39.040 before we before this YouTube world, I was like, blue collar, 0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:40.759 does it come? I worked at the steel mills, she 0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:43.239 cut hair, like we were working fifty sixty hours a 0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:45.680 week and now and that this is going back when 0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:47.920 we were talking about earlier. But now we do YouTube 0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:50.640 and it allows us to do everything with our kids. 0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:53.080 And so it's like I tell my kids like sometimes 0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:55.759 like I'm trying to cut the next hushing video at 0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:57.239 seven o'clock at night to get it ready for the 0:36:57.239 --> 0:36:58.600 next day, and they're like, yeah, let's go to this. 0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:01.719 I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm working right now, and you know, 0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:03.480 they get bummed out. I'm like, remember before when I 0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:05.000 worked at the steel mill and I was gone sixty 0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:07.839 hours a week, Like this is like our like this 0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:09.880 is me at the office here for two hours and 0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:12.960 later when they claim when they come to complain about 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:17.759 what you wouldn't even have been there. Yeah, if it 0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:22.200 wasn't for YouTube. Yeah, so I than gone, yeah, cutting 0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:27.080 my fingers off and burning my own yeah. But um yeah. 0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:28.959 So she's starting to shoot her own videos and stuff 0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:30.640 at home so she doesn't have to fly out to 0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:33.000 l A as much. And she's like, I don't know 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:34.600 if the lightnings right, I don't know if I'm talking. 0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:38.600 I'm like, just shoot something for twenty minutes, shooting for 0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:40.560 like how you want it, and go and cut it 0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.000 and then you'll know. So now she loves it. She 0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:45.560 cuts her videos and now she knows how to shoot them, 0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:48.040 and like that's the thing with us, is we shooting 0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:50.520 at it all of our own stuff, and so like beforehand, 0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:53.600 like while I'm shooting him hunting, I'm thinking about how 0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:55.879 I'm gonna cut that video, like, oh, this is gonna 0:37:55.880 --> 0:38:05.000 be here. Oh first rule podcast was off. Thank you 0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:11.279 very much for libration, but yeah that extra vibration. So yeah, 0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.320 we I mean, when I'm shooting a video for for YouTube, 0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:17.480 I'm thinking about while I'm shooting, like how I'm gonna 0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:20.160 cut it and how I'm gonna tell that story. But 0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:22.919 and you tell the stories pretty efficiently, because you don't. 0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:25.359 We work in a twenty like a half hour show, 0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:27.760 twenty two minutes. We were in a twenty two minute world. 0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:31.800 And now not only that, but we think about it. Um, 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:34.680 we tend to think about an AX yeah, segment or 0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.480 like first act and there's the there they're they're they're 0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:39.840 different lengths. So we we talked about cold open, act one, 0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:42.640 act two x three x four, right, and um, but 0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:44.880 it's a twenty two minute product. You're dealing with something 0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:46.880 like what have you found to be the sweet spot? 0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:49.120 I don't know. We're just talking about this earlier. Yeah, 0:38:49.160 --> 0:38:52.320 it's kind of funny. Some take off and some don't. 0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:54.200 But like, I have a video up there right now 0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:57.320 that's twenty three twenty four minutes, which I would consider 0:38:57.360 --> 0:39:00.879 to be a long YouTube. That's all long YouTube video. 0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:04.560 But it has great retention and almost a quarter of 0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:07.520 a million views right now. So but can you ever, 0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:12.080 I'm sure you can. What quarter million views is how 0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:14.000 many people clicked it? How many people have seen it 0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:16.279 all the way through. Um, it's hard to say how 0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:17.719 many people have seen it all the way through, but 0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:22.319 it gives you a retention rating, and that one's so 0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:25.439 that one just keeps the people like certain videos. Yeah, 0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:27.319 like just like any show, you want to keep their 0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:29.800 attention there so they continue to keep watching. And something 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:32.719 with that video, just the storyline of it and the 0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:36.279 way it just in one sentence synopsis, what is it? 0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:40.080 The hunt? I shot the bull that's named the fire Bowl, 0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:43.360 and it's just kind of gone like internet famous. I guess. 0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:45.719 I don't know, is this a really big bull? But 0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:49.520 the story is so cool and so rare and lucky 0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:51.600 enough I was able to capture it on film, So 0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:55.160 I don't know. There's a lot of anticipation for the 0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:57.280 video to come out because it was floating around social 0:39:57.320 --> 0:40:00.239 media for so long. When the killed this giant that 0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:03.719 I killed this bull? What happened with the fire The 0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:06.960 cool thing about this bull is, you know, Eric is 0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:09.960 a shed hunter, and if you guys know shed hunters 0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:14.480 are crazy people, they will they like, Eric has history 0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:16.600 with this bull. He's watched this bull for years, Like 0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:19.040 he's watched this bull grow up, and he collected its 0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:21.960 horns and stuff. Like Eric wasn't just out to kill 0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:25.279 any walking down the mountain like he went out to 0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:29.280 kill this one specific animal and he did. I documented everything, 0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:31.319 the scouting and everything leading up to it, and the 0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:33.160 fire bull was this, This was the bull I was. 0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:36.799 I wanted to hunt and you had you had hiss 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.760 from over a period some friends of mine had collected 0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:43.880 UM a couple of sets off him, and uh, a 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:46.480 young kid and his dad had found two sets off 0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:49.799 him as well, So we just knew he was on 0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:51.920 the mountain because give you to give me the antlers 0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:54.560 after you killed it. I do have one set from 0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:56.560 a friend who I had a set off a bull 0:40:56.600 --> 0:41:02.040 he killed, so we I had the set off like 0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:04.920 swap now, and he was super nice about it. His 0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:07.320 name's Jared, and he was, uh, yeah, it was like 0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:09.759 no questions asked. He's like, this is your bull. So 0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:12.680 we traded um. But what was neat or what was 0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:15.440 interesting about the hunt and why that hunt has kind 0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:18.799 of gone viral is I actually shot him twice, but 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:22.440 twelve days apart. So I shot him the opening week 0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:26.640 and it just with the bow. This is an archery 0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:28.680 hunt and I'm I'm hunting out of a ground blind 0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:32.160 and opening Thursday. So the hunt started on Saturday and 0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:35.200 Opening Thursday. A good friend of mine, Kobe, he came 0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:37.080 to help me with my hunt and I said, well, 0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:39.560 I this bull has been seen right in this meadow. 0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:41.719 I'm just kind of been sitting there and haven't seen 0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:44.480 him yet. So he was kind of getting bummed out 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:47.759 because he had taken off a lot of work to 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.360 come help me, But he had been wishing that he 0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:53.319 would have waited tell the rut because in Utah we 0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:55.920 get that early season and the bow hunters start to 0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:58.839 get into mid September, which the ruts starts to get going. 0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:01.200 And I just remember telling him like, Hey, this is 0:42:01.200 --> 0:42:03.480 gonna be an awesome hunt. Like there's bulls you know 0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:06.600 in this area. We're gonna hunt the fireball. I mean 0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:08.400 that's what I was doing. I was hunting the fireball. 0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:11.120 So it was the opening Thursday and him and I 0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:12.799 were sitting in the ground blind and this is just 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:15.879 a ground blind built out of pine needles and tree 0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:18.839 lambs and anything we can build up this, uh like 0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:22.959 makeshift ground blind. And uh, the fireball came out into 0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:26.600 the meadow and I remember my friend he's I was like, 0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:29.279 get the camera ready, the fireballs coming, and he's like 0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:32.319 you're you're lying, you know. He kept saying, you're yeah, 0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:34.000 all right, And I said, get the camera ready, and 0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:36.480 he can just tell by my you know, the way 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:38.640 I said that that he got the camera ready and 0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:42.720 and sure enough the fireball fed out and I waited 0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:44.960 and it was this is so funny, going back to 0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:48.120 like being in those moments where we're filming and when 0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:50.239 we're not and things we can we should see, and 0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:53.960 just having our minds for me at that moment, like 0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:55.680 you can see in the film, like my heart is 0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:58.200 racing when I first spotted him, but it took him 0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:00.440 a quite a while just to feed up to us 0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:02.759 and to get to where I can like clear all 0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:05.320 the branches and shoot at him. But in that moment, 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:08.319 like I was not hunting in my mind, Like I 0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:10.879 had the bowl in my hand, and here's this bowl 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:13.080 that I've been, you know, waiting for all summer to hunt, 0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:15.040 and I've got the tag and I've got my chance, 0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:18.680 and I'm like spaced out, I'm zoned out, and I'm 0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:21.920 not even hunting like my instincts. I was just enjoying 0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:24.360 the visual of like, wow, there he is, Like it 0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:26.160 was the first time I had seen him that year 0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:29.960 with my eyes other than trail camp pictures. So it 0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:34.040 was my friend that was like, dude, right now, shoot 0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:36.719 and I'm I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, like yeah, you're right, 0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:39.400 you know. So I had waited for his head to 0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:41.239 be down, I had waited for that French shoulder to 0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:43.560 go forward, and I just put it right where I 0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:47.440 wanted it and let go and we heard the smack 0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:50.560 and the bull round off and my buddy just you 0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:53.200 got him, You nailed him and everything, and we're so happy. 0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:59.359 And the cameraman was like, he's not, he's not, He's 0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:02.520 not he was supposed to be. This guy gets so excited. 0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:05.600 I mean, this guy loves to hunt, and him and 0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:08.000 I have had some great experiences on the mountain together 0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:10.200 and he just can't hold it in. Bottom line, he 0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:13.240 gets too excited. So's you got him. So we're excited. 0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:15.800 And we watched replayed the footage and it just uh, 0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:18.080 he kind of jumped the string and I hit hit 0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:20.319 him in the shoulder blade. I mean that you can 0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:23.239 see in the film that the arrow just rides up 0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:28.320 the shoulder instead of going, you know, penetrating in and uh, 0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:31.000 it rained all night and we didn't find him. The 0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:34.440 next day, luckily, a friend did see himbedded in the 0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:36.360 thick timber, and I thought I was going to have 0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:39.040 a second chance right then to go and shoot him, 0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:42.000 but unfortunately he got up and walked off. So the 0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:44.680 crazy thing about the hunt is I sat that blind. 0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:46.920 I kept sitting in that blind, and a lot of 0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:48.520 people doubted me, and a lot of people said I 0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:51.960 was wasting my time. And twelve days later, in the 0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:55.680 same blind, hunting by myself, filming myself with you know, 0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:58.480 just a little hand held camera on a tripod in 0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:03.279 my head camera, he came out twelve days later. Oh 0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:06.919 he looked, Oh, he looks so healthy yet. I mean, 0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:08.640 the first time I shot him, he kind of had 0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:10.480 some velvet hanging off his antlers, and he kind of 0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:12.959 had that a really thin summer coat. This is twelve 0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:16.040 days later, and his antlers are now just polished up, 0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:20.480 really dark timbered antlers, and his cape was just even. 0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:23.520 He was getting more into that rut phase, and he 0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:25.239 just looks so pretty. And he didn't even have a 0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:28.600 limp drilled in the shoulder blade. And twelve days later 0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:32.160 he's just walking as majestic as he was out there. 0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:35.040 I mean, it was crazy. You're causing me to enter 0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:37.800 into that fantasy of all the stuff I ever crippled 0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:41.600 is just fine. Yeah, oh like and that's that. Going 0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:44.160 back to that how we talked about how filming we 0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:46.000 can learn so much and it does some great things, 0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:49.120 Like we learned a lot from this hunt. You know, 0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:51.560 a lot of people told me he'll never be back. 0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:57.000 He's going nocturnal. Um, he knows that meadow is dangerous now, 0:45:57.200 --> 0:46:00.160 and I just said, look, these animals live in ang 0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:04.799 their habitual I think he's going to be back. So 0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:09.239 I kept sitting that blind and when it finally happened, oh, 0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:11.680 right in the money, Like it was a little bit low, 0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:17.440 but right behind the shoulder and uh, same side, same side. 0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:20.920 When people would ask me, well, what tell me the story, 0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:22.960 I remember Kobe was the first one I called on 0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:25.680 my cell phone to tell him the story. He said, well, 0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:27.640 what happened? I said, well, Kobe, remember how it happened 0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:30.200 when you were there? He says, yeah, I said that's 0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:33.760 what happened. So what do you mean, like, same same area, 0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:36.480 same everything. I was like, yeah, same exact spot, almost 0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:38.239 the same time of night when I hit him. He 0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:41.120 ran in the same exact path out of this meadow, 0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:44.080 and so I was like, you're giving way too much 0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:47.600 away right now, we're supposed to spark their interests. So 0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:51.160 they go and watch the video just right now, just 0:46:51.200 --> 0:46:54.440 say like, and that's when the bowling happened. Yeah, the 0:46:54.520 --> 0:46:58.560 bears and the coyotes met. It's it is a crazy 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:02.520 story because not only wound an animal and he comes 0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:05.040 back to the exact same spot, like step for step, 0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:09.360 it's a bowl that's supposed to be the smartest creature 0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:12.640 on the planet or in the woods, does the exact 0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:14.600 same thing after Well, you know what, I think. I 0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:16.359 think that bull was thinking there's no way that guy 0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:21.560 is gonna come back because he's not there, Like, but 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:23.200 what if that dude does come back, Like, why would 0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:26.000 he come back? He shot me there, he thinks I'll 0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:28.440 never come back. Yeah, that's the only place I am 0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:31.600 going to. Yeah, but it was wild. But going back 0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:34.759 to your question, like some of our videos like we 0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:38.879 run five to seven minutes, but videos like that that 0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:42.120 it's hard to tell that story in less than that 0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:45.319 twenty three minutes. Like I have actually been working on 0:47:45.360 --> 0:47:48.760 a an edit to shorten it up for a um. 0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:51.480 The full draw film tour. But it's been hard because 0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:54.080 it's hard to take away from the story, you know, 0:47:54.160 --> 0:47:58.000 all the preparation, the scouting and everything that happened, because 0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:00.520 it's just the way it was edited. Twenty four minutes 0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:03.160 was just the way it was. I didn't think like, Okay, 0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:06.560 I have to edit this at or twenty two or whatever. 0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:08.719 I just edited the way I felt I liked it, 0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:10.720 and then that's what works. Is that on the Hushing 0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:13.680 channel to Yeah, that's on the Hushing channel. So if 0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:17.160 you just search the fire Bowl ELK Hunt, it's the 0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:20.080 beauty two. The beautiful thing about YouTube were so free 0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:22.279 to do, you know. I remember being on the New 0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:25.400 Mexico Hunt. You remember camping out and you're asking me 0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:27.560 how long The day after I show me how long 0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:29.640 we're going to make the film, and I was like 0:48:30.080 --> 0:48:32.040 trying to make it under ten? What was it? What 0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:35.560 did end up being eight? Fine? I mean nine minutes 0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:37.600 told the story and I didn't need to put anything 0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:42.279 else in there, you know, so go ahead. I was 0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:44.799 just gonna say that. I kind of like the time constraints. 0:48:44.960 --> 0:48:50.359 I like sort of it makes you creatively dig for 0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:53.120 things when when you need to dig for things It 0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:55.520 also makes you not be precious about a lot of 0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:58.840 things too. Cutting down is a really cool process, and 0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:01.960 like the collaborator nature working with editors and when you 0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:03.560 guys do your own stuff, but we have it, you know, 0:49:03.560 --> 0:49:06.640 we're working in teams and sort of having a bunch 0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:10.120 of people craft this stuff. And you know, being precious 0:49:10.120 --> 0:49:12.759 about stuff is for me, could be an issue if 0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:15.560 I didn't have other people just to like the thing 0:49:15.640 --> 0:49:18.920 that like I went to a writing school, you know, um, 0:49:18.960 --> 0:49:21.920 and the thing that writers just pound and pound and 0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:24.040 pound in you, and like every writer says, it's like 0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:26.200 you gotta kill your babies. You gotta kill your babies, 0:49:26.520 --> 0:49:33.040 you know, um, meaning don't let like these moments that 0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:34.920 you that you think are so greater, these things that 0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:37.600 you're you that are so precious to you, like getting 0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:39.960 the way of the greater good, you know. I remember, 0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:43.960 like when I wrote my Buffalo book, Um, I wrote 0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:47.719 it one d pages too long, you know, And I'm 0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:50.239 telling you, man, I like fought over every word right 0:49:50.520 --> 0:49:52.759 and I got it all done. It was just ridiculously long. 0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:57.319 I went through an acts a hundred pages out of there, painful. 0:49:58.160 --> 0:50:00.320 But now I'm like, I can't believe i' had that 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:03.200 garbage in area like later when you look at it's 0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:05.080 like like I would take a whole chapter to just 0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:07.920 grab a paragraph out of it, you know, but you 0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:11.200 go like, well no, because I have like it's special 0:50:11.239 --> 0:50:14.520 because I did it. Yeah, that's what it is. What 0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:16.560 you get into your head like its special because I 0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:18.759 did it, and and and I already got my time 0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:20.640 r now, so now it's out there. And I think 0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:24.960 that like having that discipline to go shorter we used 0:50:25.000 --> 0:50:26.719 to get like we still get inquiries but be like, oh, 0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:28.040 you guys should be an hour long, and I just 0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:29.759 think like, oh yeah, it should be an hour long, 0:50:29.960 --> 0:50:32.839 like me long show. Now I'm like I kind of 0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:35.560 over time. I've just sort of like, I like twenty 0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:38.200 two minutes because I feel like in twenty two minutes 0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:42.520 you can when it's right, it could be just so 0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:47.399 tight and fast. I watched the show without the ads though, right, 0:50:47.520 --> 0:50:49.080 so I watched like the way it's meant to be, 0:50:49.239 --> 0:50:51.080 and I sometimes remind myself, oh yeah, but it's broken 0:50:51.120 --> 0:50:54.719 up my hands. But it's somehow science so fast and 0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:59.080 has such a roller coaster quality to it. That's the best. 0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:02.680 I said. It's like it's just like wham and people 0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:04.480 be like, dude, I could watch that for an hour. 0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:07.359 I'm like, I'm that makes me glad it was twenty 0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:09.920 two minutes. I think a good way to gauge it 0:51:10.120 --> 0:51:13.040 is if you watch it like a twenty two minute 0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:16.040 video on YouTube. Does it feel like it's twenty two minutes? 0:51:16.640 --> 0:51:18.560 Did you at the end of the video or you're like, well, 0:51:18.600 --> 0:51:22.440 that was twenty two minutes. Were you like at the time, 0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:25.040 you like, I mean TV, you guys are under restraint. 0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:27.879 For you guys are twenty two minutes every episode, right, Like, 0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:31.000 how much after you guys go out and film and 0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:34.879 you guys turn the media into the editors, how much 0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:37.440 do you sit down with the editors dan and and 0:51:37.480 --> 0:51:39.960 go through with him and try to tell the story 0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:43.799 or so, yeah, the whole process. I think that would 0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:46.320 be interesting. So in the current form, so you honest 0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:49.040 is the producer. So he will create, he will run 0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:51.279 the pre production, he will plan things. He will create 0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:54.560 a document called the treatment, which is the hope or 0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:57.359 plan for the story to happen in the field. He'll 0:51:57.400 --> 0:52:00.960 be there and will be in charge of capturing the 0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:04.080 story both on camera and then in his head. And 0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:08.240 in notes too later going to the post production process. 0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:12.439 So that's um, yeah, but post producing the episode would 0:52:12.440 --> 0:52:14.840 be working hand in hand with the editor every step 0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:18.160 of the way. So basically we turn in a what 0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:21.040 we call producer notes, which is so the treatments a 0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:24.400 document at the beginning, and then after the shoot the 0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:27.640 documents called the producer notes basically is an act by 0:52:27.680 --> 0:52:33.600 act breakdown with possible vo already written, with really just 0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:37.720 a script or writing out the show. But that changes 0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:40.560 a lot, and it rarely is you know, actually the 0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:42.520 product because how many hours are you deal with? How 0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:45.680 many hours afore it's you know what people askid I 0:52:45.760 --> 0:52:47.799 don't even know it? And it depends. I mean, we 0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:53.000 shoot up to how many hours are on one ratio 0:52:53.320 --> 0:52:58.120 and oftentimes documentary style filming, which is what we do 0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:00.400 and which by the most hunters do you know when 0:53:00.400 --> 0:53:03.360 they're shooting their hunts, is you can get upwards of 0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:08.000 like fifty to sixty two one ratio. You can shoot 0:53:08.040 --> 0:53:11.920 almost an hour for one minute. Man, I'd say we 0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:14.799 should especially have multiple cameras going, which we often do. 0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:16.920 It's a lot more. I'd say it's a higher ratio 0:53:16.960 --> 0:53:22.319 than that, even especially counted Timelafs. I mean we come back, 0:53:22.400 --> 0:53:26.239 what say, eight full cards at a hundred twenty minutes each, 0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:29.319 and if you have two shooters, double that. You know 0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:33.880 you're talking about thousands of minutes of footage, maybe between 0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:37.520 one and three thousand minutes of footage. Um, so at 0:53:37.520 --> 0:53:41.040 that point could go up to a hundred of one. Sure. Yeah, 0:53:41.200 --> 0:53:43.799 but so and we have, you know, editors that we 0:53:44.280 --> 0:53:46.279 have been working with for a long time, and there's 0:53:46.320 --> 0:53:50.799 there's a couple of editors that specifically, Um, you can 0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:52.880 be a little less hands on, but you know, I 0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:57.600 Post I produced, in Post produced probably I don't know, 0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:00.920 fifty episodes of mediat And it just depends on who 0:54:00.920 --> 0:54:02.480 you were working with, whether or not you had to 0:54:02.480 --> 0:54:06.200 be really really directed. Yeah, you can editor to cut 0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:08.040 a few and they kind of know how you guys 0:54:08.080 --> 0:54:11.080 like them. I can just say being on that. You know, 0:54:11.120 --> 0:54:12.960 we were in the same camp a few years ago 0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:16.879 in New Mexico. I was blown away at the at 0:54:17.040 --> 0:54:20.520 the work you guys put in to capture an episode, 0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:23.480 like there was what they were? You were there did 0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:25.319 he was thearn. You guys had two other cameramen right, 0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:31.160 one assistant audio guy who's up there with this. Peter 0:54:31.320 --> 0:54:34.680 was out there with this. But there's four guys and 0:54:34.680 --> 0:54:38.280 then Steve and you guys were packing the long lens 0:54:38.360 --> 0:54:41.239 the DSLRs, and you guys packed back in for what 0:54:41.320 --> 0:54:43.600 a couple of nights there we carey a bunch of 0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:47.920 John Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine the excess amount 0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:50.120 of batteries you pack in on a hunt like that. 0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:54.040 And then SD cards and wild batteries are the limiting 0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:56.879 factor oftentimes, and and we'll have to either pack back 0:54:56.920 --> 0:55:01.000 to to recharge batteries or bring a that that becomes 0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:03.680 a limiting factor both for weight. Well, actually for a 0:55:03.680 --> 0:55:05.560 while we only had some manner batteries. Now we have 0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:09.279 like hundred and fifty of those big batteries now, so 0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:16.480 they each one pound. That's wild. It was wild to 0:55:16.520 --> 0:55:18.520 see though, Like you guys put a lot of time 0:55:18.520 --> 0:55:22.359 and effort into capturing. We finish out how it goes. 0:55:22.440 --> 0:55:26.000 So you didn't get it to the end though, though 0:55:26.000 --> 0:55:28.600 we're gonna take a quick break. Yeah, So finish out though, 0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:31.279 because you didn't get to the end of it gets made, okay, Yeah, 0:55:31.280 --> 0:55:33.560 So while the editor, the editor cuts it, and he 0:55:33.600 --> 0:55:35.760 cuts what we call a rough cut, which is about 0:55:35.840 --> 0:55:38.840 to time, so you know, maybe it's within a minute 0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:42.440 of the ending end running time hopefully, And then he 0:55:42.520 --> 0:55:45.920 sends we do around notes, so Steve gets it, I 0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:49.520 get it, yeah, and gets it. Um. Usually that's just 0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:51.680 about it, maybe one other person, and then we do 0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:55.800 around a very very specific critical notes on that cut 0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:58.520 goes back to the editor. There's a couple more days 0:55:58.600 --> 0:56:00.799 to get out of fine cut. We do the same 0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:03.480 process and other round of notes goes back to the editor. 0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:06.680 He works those notes out, and there's a lot of 0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:10.080 conversation always goes on in between that. Finally we get 0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:12.560 to what we call prelock cut, and we all kind 0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:15.480 of sign off on it. Record and sorry, there's other 0:56:15.480 --> 0:56:18.160 stuff in they're recording v O getting all that cut 0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:22.200 in doing rewrites for v O UM. But then finally, 0:56:22.239 --> 0:56:25.919 after you know, three to four week edit process and 0:56:25.920 --> 0:56:27.640 and a whole process, it's a heck of a lot 0:56:27.719 --> 0:56:31.719 longer than that than we have a so we finally 0:56:31.880 --> 0:56:35.040 finally craft these shows. You know, there's a there's a 0:56:35.120 --> 0:56:37.719 lot of people with a lot of brains and creativity 0:56:38.360 --> 0:56:41.200 working their butts off too to make these things the 0:56:41.239 --> 0:56:45.799 way they are. In the end, it feels natural. It 0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:49.800 does the product like you wouldn't guess. Yeah, you know, 0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:52.360 if you had to sit and watch those hundreds of 0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:55.319 hours of footage would be mind boggling. I can't even 0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:59.080 imagine trying to scrub through all that video. What what 0:56:59.200 --> 0:57:02.319 you guys, shoot race, you're doing YouTube video? When you 0:57:02.320 --> 0:57:04.520 say like fifty one, like we might get like fifty 0:57:05.000 --> 0:57:09.080 fifty minutes for every video. I don't know, Like I 0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:12.200 would say a couple of hours, a couple hours of 0:57:12.200 --> 0:57:16.080 of of like yeah, different point of views, go pro angles. 0:57:16.800 --> 0:57:18.720 But I bet like that New Mexico Hunt for example, 0:57:18.720 --> 0:57:20.560 I think it's eight nine minutes long. I bet I 0:57:20.560 --> 0:57:25.280 you cut through like three hours of footage and I'm 0:57:25.320 --> 0:57:27.400 like by the time I'm done, I'm just like, all right, 0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:30.200 just put it up, Like I'm so tired of watch 0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:32.800 myself talk and walk around the hills. But do you 0:57:32.800 --> 0:57:35.000 guys have any interest in the TV length type thing? 0:57:35.000 --> 0:57:37.040 I mean, that's something to interest you or you're you're 0:57:37.080 --> 0:57:40.520 just your YouTube all the way. I'm a YouTuber YouTuber, 0:57:40.600 --> 0:57:42.880 Like you have to get a new business cards. Yeah, 0:57:43.360 --> 0:57:45.520 I don't have business cards. I'm a YouTuber YouTuber have 0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:49.320 business cards? No. I I love the platform of YouTube. 0:57:49.320 --> 0:57:52.520 I love the possibilities on YouTube, and uh, that's just 0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:55.720 I mean every day Monday through Friday, one billion people 0:57:55.760 --> 0:57:59.640 log into that that that website, And so I mean 0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:01.800 it's just been cool. And I don't I don't really 0:58:01.840 --> 0:58:04.960 see see ourselves doing anything different. I love the freedom 0:58:05.000 --> 0:58:07.760 we have to do whatever we want, upload videos when 0:58:07.760 --> 0:58:11.200 we want. Um makes seven minute videos for twenty three 0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:14.760 minute videos like, So we're happy doing what we do. 0:58:14.840 --> 0:58:19.880 But I mean, yeah, what do you think. I'm I'm 0:58:19.920 --> 0:58:23.440 committed to YouTube. I've done a lot of research, and 0:58:23.960 --> 0:58:28.040 I've been so intrigued by the platform for the last 0:58:28.120 --> 0:58:30.720 three or four years that I just feel like it's 0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:32.919 a good opportunity for me if it's what I want 0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:36.600 to do really well and what I enjoyed doing really well. 0:58:36.600 --> 0:58:39.560 The same conversation would happen about cassettes and CDs. You know, 0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:41.520 one day they're going to be talking about TV shows 0:58:41.520 --> 0:58:44.640 in the same way, Like remember when TV shows I 0:58:44.640 --> 0:58:48.800 didn't want to like trouble with you guys, But I yeah, 0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:53.000 I don't know. We spent a ton of time talking 0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:59.080 about digital. Let's talk about what's what's happened? Yeah, I think, 0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:02.560 I mean, I don't TV will ever be obsolete. But 0:59:02.840 --> 0:59:05.600 at the same time, like I would love to know 0:59:05.640 --> 0:59:08.840 the ratio of Americans, like people in America that have 0:59:09.040 --> 0:59:12.880 TV and have the Internet, and who has both, because 0:59:12.880 --> 0:59:15.280 I know I haven't had TV in five years. Like 0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:19.560 I can consume all my entertainment from Tina Neet and 0:59:19.640 --> 0:59:23.320 everyone has the Internet now everyone has access to the 0:59:23.360 --> 0:59:28.360 internet basically an iPhone, tablet, watch whatever. Well, we know 0:59:28.400 --> 0:59:30.320 for a fact that meat eater fans or meat eater 0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:34.760 watchers over are not watching it on the channel at 0:59:34.800 --> 0:59:38.360 the time edit airs, They're they're watching it through other means. 0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:41.840 We did, Yeah, we talked about tapes and c d 0:59:42.040 --> 0:59:46.800 s earlier. It's like, right at the time that that 0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:51.640 guy did that persuasion speech in communication one on one. Okay, 0:59:51.760 --> 0:59:54.080 an album that was out at that time was Counting 0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:58.880 Crows August and everything after. Now the guy that the 0:59:59.560 --> 1:00:02.200 you know, whoever that guy is in that band, I 1:00:02.200 --> 1:00:03.840 don't think he was sitting around being like, but are 1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:07.600 they gonna listen to it on CD or cassette. It's 1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:10.720 like at a point it's like, if you have confidence 1:00:10.720 --> 1:00:12.960 in what you're making, you know what I mean, I 1:00:13.000 --> 1:00:17.520 don't spend too much time thinking about it being this 1:00:17.560 --> 1:00:20.240 show or that show. You know, like I'll spend the 1:00:20.280 --> 1:00:22.360 time I'm thinking about how people are going to consume it. 1:00:22.760 --> 1:00:24.440 I mean, I don't want to get caught in a 1:00:24.440 --> 1:00:26.880 weird thing where we haven't thought our stuff out. But 1:00:27.680 --> 1:00:31.400 I feel like, you know, the basic format, the premise, 1:00:31.640 --> 1:00:34.479 you know, I mean, I know we'll find homes yeah 1:00:34.720 --> 1:00:36.640 for the stuff. I agree. I feel like if you're 1:00:36.680 --> 1:00:39.840 making I mean, content is king right. That's the old saying, 1:00:39.880 --> 1:00:43.360 like you make good content, it can live anywhere. Um, 1:00:43.400 --> 1:00:46.360 I feel like you guys could transform what you do 1:00:46.400 --> 1:00:49.000 now you're twenty two minutes onto two wherever, whatever digital 1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:51.440 platformat would do great. But you're you don't have to 1:00:51.440 --> 1:00:53.960 think about that right now. Just make good content. I 1:00:54.000 --> 1:00:56.040 get a little jealous of those TV shows on HBO 1:00:56.160 --> 1:00:59.000 or Netflix that like you get once twenty two minutes 1:00:59.040 --> 1:01:01.840 maybe good episodes to six. You kind of have that. 1:01:02.920 --> 1:01:06.720 That's that's pretty cool. You know what, here's one thing 1:01:06.760 --> 1:01:08.680 I want to do. How long we've been, how long 1:01:08.720 --> 1:01:11.200 we've been talking about There's one thing I want to do, 1:01:11.240 --> 1:01:15.880 and I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do the first one. Um, 1:01:15.920 --> 1:01:21.520 because people have such an interest in recording, capturing, hunts, 1:01:21.880 --> 1:01:25.360 fishing out of doors, whatever. I want to just go 1:01:25.440 --> 1:01:29.400 around the room for a while and very quickly say things. 1:01:29.600 --> 1:01:36.160 You give your findings, Okay, things you think. Um. One 1:01:36.200 --> 1:01:39.880 thing that I've found that that's become a personal thing 1:01:39.960 --> 1:01:45.560 for me is I really like and we go to 1:01:45.680 --> 1:01:53.200 great ends to establish hunting big game, okay, or any 1:01:53.280 --> 1:02:01.560 kind of hunting, to contextualize visually the hunter with the quarry. 1:02:02.840 --> 1:02:06.040 Because I'll point out right now I'm watching it's been 1:02:06.040 --> 1:02:11.360 out for Whi've been watching Planet Earth right, and Planet 1:02:11.360 --> 1:02:13.800 Earth you know, like tells the stories about Earth, but 1:02:13.880 --> 1:02:16.920 they tied in with the real bread and butter of 1:02:16.960 --> 1:02:21.240 that as predator prey interactions. Right, It's like they just punctuated. Well, 1:02:21.640 --> 1:02:23.920 they don't go four minutes about showing something eat something. 1:02:24.760 --> 1:02:27.920 Oftentimes they got great footage, right a snow leopard grabs 1:02:27.920 --> 1:02:30.440 the mark or and the mark or gets away. All 1:02:30.480 --> 1:02:34.720 the times they don't. So they'll show like Ethiopian wolf walking, 1:02:35.200 --> 1:02:40.560 then they'll show a baboon looking nervous. Then they'll show 1:02:40.600 --> 1:02:42.400 the wolf, and they'll show the baboon, and they'll show 1:02:42.400 --> 1:02:44.200 the wolf, and they'll show the baboon and the baboon 1:02:44.240 --> 1:02:46.840 runs away and you go, you know what, never saw 1:02:46.880 --> 1:02:49.080 the damn babboon and the wolf in the same shot, 1:02:50.080 --> 1:02:52.760 And it's like like a weird kind of fuckery going on, 1:02:53.360 --> 1:02:56.600 you know, And I hate that kind of thing to 1:02:56.760 --> 1:02:59.920 where I always feel like when we have a seque, 1:03:00.000 --> 1:03:04.720 it's where you've got like long lens foote, your footage 1:03:04.720 --> 1:03:06.560 of an ant one guy is filming an animal, a 1:03:06.640 --> 1:03:10.080 turkey coming in, and one guy is filming you, and 1:03:10.200 --> 1:03:13.200 later you're like bouncing like turkey, you, Turkey you. I 1:03:13.360 --> 1:03:17.160 always feel like the viewer's mind is open to the 1:03:17.200 --> 1:03:22.480 facts chains being jerked, and I breathed such a sigh 1:03:22.520 --> 1:03:27.040 of relief when there's that shot where there's like you 1:03:27.440 --> 1:03:33.000 or the hunter and the thing to get brought together. 1:03:33.160 --> 1:03:35.960 It's like the technical term is tying it in, Like 1:03:36.000 --> 1:03:41.080 a shot that ties it together, solidifies, it solidifies that 1:03:41.160 --> 1:03:44.720 action because when that happens that back and forth, everyone thinks, 1:03:44.760 --> 1:03:46.800 is this rail is just really going on? And it 1:03:46.920 --> 1:03:49.040 just solidifies that when it shows like an over the 1:03:49.040 --> 1:03:51.400 shoulder shot of you with your gun and there's the 1:03:51.400 --> 1:03:54.800 turkey and the the guy that like gave me eater, 1:03:54.880 --> 1:03:58.000 its visual look to to a huge degree is a 1:03:58.000 --> 1:04:00.640 guy named Mo found who shot Men the first ones 1:04:01.320 --> 1:04:03.880 and Mo, I don't know if you ever articulated it 1:04:04.040 --> 1:04:06.760 this way or not, but Mo had this sort of 1:04:06.800 --> 1:04:09.840 idea that was like that the viewer is your buddy. 1:04:11.360 --> 1:04:15.400 You'r the viewers your buddy with you, you know, and 1:04:15.400 --> 1:04:16.880 and if you watch the show, you like you start 1:04:16.920 --> 1:04:19.600 to kind of feel that where like the camera is 1:04:19.720 --> 1:04:22.680 often right where if you were with your buddy and 1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:25.280 your buddies hunting. It's like the cameras where you'd be 1:04:25.880 --> 1:04:28.480 where you'd want to be to be a participant in this. 1:04:28.640 --> 1:04:31.640 And that's sort of like over the shoulder shot when 1:04:31.640 --> 1:04:33.360 all of a sudden something comes into view and you 1:04:33.440 --> 1:04:35.600 got the person, and your person could be just blurry right. 1:04:35.600 --> 1:04:39.280 It's completely like out of the depth field, but it 1:04:39.360 --> 1:04:43.640 just feels so good. I remember that first season it 1:04:43.680 --> 1:04:46.520 was substantiated. I think, you know, we maybe after the 1:04:46.560 --> 1:04:49.440 second episode or something, we gotta Facebook comment that said, 1:04:50.080 --> 1:04:52.240 you know, I can't believe how you shot this and 1:04:52.360 --> 1:04:54.360 felt like I was right there with you, and that 1:04:54.400 --> 1:04:57.280 was you know, that is the point. It's those moments. 1:04:57.760 --> 1:05:00.920 It's like those moments where everything comes together in a 1:05:00.920 --> 1:05:04.000 way and we've even finding. Sometimes you're talking about something 1:05:04.000 --> 1:05:05.680 so far away. So we do a lot like open 1:05:05.720 --> 1:05:09.280 country hunting and your glass and stuff. We'll just go 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:14.720 do an overshot. You know, someone will get back. I'll 1:05:14.760 --> 1:05:17.160 be talking about something I'm pointing and they just kind 1:05:17.160 --> 1:05:18.919 of zoom over. You're never in a million years gonna 1:05:18.960 --> 1:05:21.560 pick it up, but you zoom over and you start 1:05:21.600 --> 1:05:25.080 to make out the landscape and then you can go 1:05:25.160 --> 1:05:28.560 to that tighter shot that shows it. But you do 1:05:28.640 --> 1:05:30.920 feel like you've been delivered to that point. It doesn't 1:05:30.920 --> 1:05:34.200 have this like arbitrary feel to it that makes it 1:05:34.320 --> 1:05:38.640 feel like TV, you know, because oftentimes when I'm watching stuff, 1:05:39.520 --> 1:05:42.200 I don't like to have any moment where I'm pulled 1:05:42.680 --> 1:05:46.360 out to question what's going on. And like, like I 1:05:46.400 --> 1:05:49.440 thought about watching the Planet Earth series. They show these 1:05:49.560 --> 1:05:52.840 they're showing like these polar bears making their first emergence, 1:05:53.080 --> 1:05:55.920 but the snow is covered in tracks like they've clearly 1:05:55.920 --> 1:05:57.360 been out a whole bunch of times. They keep going 1:05:57.400 --> 1:06:00.400 back in the den their first emergence. It's like we's 1:06:00.440 --> 1:06:03.479 tracks throw over the place, like the entrance of the hold. 1:06:03.520 --> 1:06:06.560 I'll mud it up, you know, I'm like, why tell 1:06:06.600 --> 1:06:08.480 me that because now I'm sadden, you're thinking about why 1:06:08.520 --> 1:06:12.240 you said that when it's not the way it is. 1:06:12.520 --> 1:06:14.400 So just have it be that he's coming up is 1:06:14.440 --> 1:06:17.080 then and I'll enjoy it. I won't be like distracted, 1:06:17.680 --> 1:06:19.840 you know. And so I'm always like when I'm watching 1:06:19.840 --> 1:06:21.680 our stuff, I'm always like, what are the things that's 1:06:21.680 --> 1:06:24.600 gonna catch someone and pull him out of the reality 1:06:24.720 --> 1:06:27.680 I want him to experience and make him enter into 1:06:27.720 --> 1:06:31.480 the reality of his head as a skeptical viewer. Yeah, 1:06:31.640 --> 1:06:34.160 you know. Another example of that, to take it even 1:06:34.160 --> 1:06:36.320 further is like if you are cooking a piece of 1:06:36.360 --> 1:06:40.640 meat over a fire, there's something magical and beautiful about 1:06:40.640 --> 1:06:44.520 a shot that actually without cutting away pans from that 1:06:44.560 --> 1:06:47.120 piece of meat up to your face. Rather than having 1:06:47.160 --> 1:06:48.840 two shots where you just have a shot of that 1:06:48.840 --> 1:06:50.960 meat on the fire, you have a shot of the face. 1:06:51.360 --> 1:06:53.640 Like that's fine, that's great TV. That's you know, you 1:06:53.680 --> 1:06:56.600 can do that well. But there's something specific about that 1:06:56.880 --> 1:07:01.000 uninterrupted either having both objects in the frame and exactly 1:07:01.040 --> 1:07:04.280 the same time, or being able to swing and move 1:07:04.360 --> 1:07:08.400 without actually cutting the shot. There's it's something seamless and 1:07:08.720 --> 1:07:11.520 um important that happens in being a place gives it 1:07:11.560 --> 1:07:14.520 more realness. Like its exactly like with a kill shot, right, 1:07:14.520 --> 1:07:16.960 like you know, like you can either do that over 1:07:17.000 --> 1:07:19.640 the shoulder kill shot where you're in the frame, the 1:07:19.640 --> 1:07:22.600 animals in the frame focused, your shoulder might be out 1:07:22.600 --> 1:07:25.160 of focus. And I remember, like you guys first season 1:07:25.200 --> 1:07:26.840 there was a lot of that. I love that shot. 1:07:27.520 --> 1:07:29.720 But like if you are zoomed in on the animal 1:07:30.160 --> 1:07:32.840 after the kill shot and then that swing to the yeah, 1:07:33.360 --> 1:07:36.080 just gives it that realness, you know. So we'll deal 1:07:36.080 --> 1:07:39.160 it like dealing cards. So that makes Dan's up. They 1:07:39.200 --> 1:07:41.960 are just finding just one tip, just like a thing, 1:07:42.040 --> 1:07:44.320 man like, like like like an example of what I'd 1:07:44.400 --> 1:07:47.680 escaped for for people who want to like people, um, 1:07:47.720 --> 1:07:49.840 people who want to capture their stuff, because so many 1:07:49.880 --> 1:07:52.360 people now want to capture their stuff. Man. Yeah, when 1:07:52.360 --> 1:07:54.240 I go out fishing, even when fishing on Lake Washington, 1:07:54.240 --> 1:07:59.520 the guy out there fishing without without all right, So 1:07:59.720 --> 1:08:02.840 I'll say very basic one that's that's not very sexy 1:08:02.840 --> 1:08:05.280 but super important is just learn what the heck you're 1:08:05.280 --> 1:08:09.360 doing with your equipment. No how practice enough, read enough, 1:08:09.440 --> 1:08:12.240 have somebody show you how to use your camera and 1:08:12.000 --> 1:08:16.800 you actually use it and audio. Actually let me make 1:08:16.880 --> 1:08:20.600 that my point. If you have crappy audio and it's 1:08:20.680 --> 1:08:23.439 it's not like your quality will never rise. I mean 1:08:23.479 --> 1:08:25.800 you still might have a successful video I don't know. 1:08:25.920 --> 1:08:29.640 But have an actual microphone mike deup, know how to 1:08:29.680 --> 1:08:31.880 manage it, have good levels so people can hear what 1:08:31.960 --> 1:08:35.519 you're doing, and uh learn how to make a shot 1:08:35.680 --> 1:08:38.320 with cameras, and and learn how to be steady. Don't 1:08:38.360 --> 1:08:43.200 don't be wobbly, I don't just practice. Can you do 1:08:43.280 --> 1:08:47.439 audio without getting into like audio equipment? Do you mean 1:08:47.520 --> 1:08:50.720 just give I mean, yeah, a lot of cameras have 1:08:50.880 --> 1:08:57.080 onboard um mikes that that may be okay in most situations, 1:08:57.080 --> 1:08:58.679 but you get in some wind, or you get in 1:08:58.680 --> 1:09:01.360 in some other type of scenario and it's no longer 1:09:01.400 --> 1:09:04.000 going to be good. Get a cheap lava mike. Get 1:09:04.040 --> 1:09:05.960 a cheap mike to put on your on your shirt. 1:09:06.160 --> 1:09:09.240 Lava mics now the road makes them, and you can 1:09:09.400 --> 1:09:11.680 download the app that you can plug it directly into 1:09:11.720 --> 1:09:15.280 your phone and it gets great audio and it's not 1:09:15.280 --> 1:09:16.519 a lot of money. It's like honor bucks for the 1:09:16.600 --> 1:09:19.519 law and a zoom recorder. Just spend a little time 1:09:19.560 --> 1:09:22.679 and uh yeah, learn what you're doing with your stuff. 1:09:22.960 --> 1:09:25.519 I had to learn that all myself. Like I started 1:09:25.520 --> 1:09:27.800 shooting before I knew how to operate a camera, and 1:09:27.840 --> 1:09:33.320 it was tough, you know. But my finding and we 1:09:33.400 --> 1:09:35.360 get told, I mean, we could ask a lot about 1:09:35.560 --> 1:09:37.439 how we got into filming and stuff. And I feel 1:09:37.479 --> 1:09:40.559 like now we're talking to not people that are trying 1:09:40.600 --> 1:09:43.400 to create TV shows necessarily people were trying to capture 1:09:43.400 --> 1:09:46.439 the capture stuff. My my finding is just do it. 1:09:46.840 --> 1:09:48.640 I mean, the way. And this was going back to 1:09:48.680 --> 1:09:50.960 like me talking about cutting from VCR to VCR with 1:09:51.000 --> 1:09:53.320 that big giant VHS when I was trying to record 1:09:53.360 --> 1:09:57.000 me snowboarding is technology is crazy, man. There's some great 1:09:57.080 --> 1:10:00.120 cameras out there that somebody can pick up for three 1:10:00.120 --> 1:10:04.280 four bucks and you can record some amazing stuff. And 1:10:04.360 --> 1:10:09.160 I think for most beginners is they think they have 1:10:09.280 --> 1:10:11.439 to have all the nicest equipment and they have to 1:10:12.000 --> 1:10:14.120 go through film school. I don't know, It's just get 1:10:14.120 --> 1:10:17.080 a good camera and go out and capture moments, because 1:10:17.080 --> 1:10:19.160 that's what it's all about, is you're trying to relive 1:10:19.200 --> 1:10:21.439 those moments one day. You know, if you're not trying 1:10:21.439 --> 1:10:23.160 to put out a TV show or YouTube channel, you 1:10:23.240 --> 1:10:26.000 just want to capture your your hunts. Just do it 1:10:26.040 --> 1:10:28.760 and figure it out. Go out and shoot wildlife, and 1:10:28.760 --> 1:10:31.479 shoot your buddies shooting it, deer and shoot, try to 1:10:31.560 --> 1:10:35.320 film yourself and just learn and do it. Because even 1:10:35.400 --> 1:10:38.479 after we started hunting, sometimes and I'm sure you get 1:10:38.520 --> 1:10:41.040 this way, sometimes we're on a hunt for ten days 1:10:41.080 --> 1:10:42.840 and it's like, all right, leave the camera at home. 1:10:42.840 --> 1:10:44.920 I don't care if we get the kill shot. I 1:10:44.960 --> 1:10:47.040 want to end this thing. And then I've done it 1:10:47.080 --> 1:10:49.360 a few times, I'm ountain shot something and I thought, 1:10:49.400 --> 1:10:51.360 how stupid was that for me not to have the 1:10:51.400 --> 1:10:54.080 camera going. It's easy to set up a camera, it's 1:10:54.080 --> 1:10:56.240 easy to have your buddy hold a camera. It might 1:10:56.280 --> 1:10:59.240 not be the most professional footage, but it's a memory 1:10:59.280 --> 1:11:02.120 that you can relive, and it goes back to like 1:11:02.160 --> 1:11:05.200 talking about, uh, you know, exploiting animals. One of the 1:11:05.200 --> 1:11:08.439 coolest things I think about hunting is seeing old school 1:11:09.080 --> 1:11:12.599 pictures from like my grandpa's time and my great grandpa's 1:11:12.640 --> 1:11:15.000 time and going through those and seeing what hunting was 1:11:15.080 --> 1:11:17.960 like back then. You know, they everyone had a twenty bock, 1:11:18.320 --> 1:11:19.760 you know, in the back of the truck. But it's 1:11:19.760 --> 1:11:22.519 so cool to relive that through these pictures, and I 1:11:22.520 --> 1:11:25.680 feel that way with what we're filming. One day, my 1:11:25.800 --> 1:11:28.320 great great grandkids are gonna go be able to go 1:11:28.439 --> 1:11:33.080 and watch My adventures on if it's YouTuber wherever. But 1:11:33.200 --> 1:11:40.600 it's just capturing those moments one time. Yeah, so I my, my, my. 1:11:40.720 --> 1:11:42.080 I would just say, if you want to just go 1:11:42.120 --> 1:11:44.880 out and capture, you know, some footage of you hunting, 1:11:45.240 --> 1:11:46.960 just do it. Get a good camera. You can use 1:11:46.960 --> 1:11:50.200 your damn phone almost like the phone to take amazing footage, 1:11:50.240 --> 1:11:52.360 but go out and buy you a four camera and 1:11:52.400 --> 1:11:57.680 just start doing it. I gotta get started something. Well, yeah, 1:11:57.760 --> 1:11:59.400 that's what I was gonna say, is just get out 1:11:59.400 --> 1:12:01.160 there and get art it. So I have to think 1:12:01.160 --> 1:12:03.559 of something else. Um. But one of the things that 1:12:03.600 --> 1:12:06.400 come to me when a lot of people approached me 1:12:07.200 --> 1:12:09.360 and say, hey, I got this awesome you know hunt 1:12:09.360 --> 1:12:10.599 on film. Do you want to use it for your 1:12:10.600 --> 1:12:13.920 next project, your next DVD, YouTube, whatever it is. And 1:12:14.000 --> 1:12:16.200 sometimes I've been like, yeah, like cool, let's let's check 1:12:16.200 --> 1:12:19.439 it out. And yeah, I got the kill shot and 1:12:19.479 --> 1:12:22.920 that's it. I'm like, this is a great kill shot, 1:12:23.000 --> 1:12:25.439 and and the kill shot can be very important in 1:12:25.479 --> 1:12:27.720 the hunting film or hunting TV show or something that 1:12:27.760 --> 1:12:30.559 we do on YouTube. But there it is. It is, 1:12:30.920 --> 1:12:33.960 It is that sliver of you know, that second or 1:12:34.000 --> 1:12:36.639 two seconds, and that's it. The rest of the hunt 1:12:36.640 --> 1:12:38.720 and the story is like you said earlier, is that 1:12:38.840 --> 1:12:42.479 fifty hours of b roll footage and all the other 1:12:42.520 --> 1:12:47.360 cool stuff. So my advice would be to film everything, Like, 1:12:47.400 --> 1:12:50.439 pack a lot of memory cards. The worst thing is 1:12:50.560 --> 1:12:52.120 running out of memory cards when you're out there and 1:12:52.120 --> 1:12:53.680 you're trying to delete all your other things so you 1:12:53.680 --> 1:12:57.280 can film the next thing. Yeah, you're doing having your 1:12:57.360 --> 1:12:59.800 last one on accident, film the next one. So yeah, 1:12:59.920 --> 1:13:03.559 be prepared with memory cards, um, and just film a 1:13:03.600 --> 1:13:06.479 lot of cool stuff and and think outside the box. 1:13:06.560 --> 1:13:09.000 Think what's a cool point of view? Can I stand 1:13:09.000 --> 1:13:11.520 behind this tree or get these you know, these flowers 1:13:11.520 --> 1:13:14.680 in the shot and just trying to different things in experiment. 1:13:14.720 --> 1:13:16.680 And then when you get into the room to cut it, 1:13:17.360 --> 1:13:21.040 I find that it's the most random clips that I'm like, 1:13:21.200 --> 1:13:24.320 that is so cool, Like the sun just hit just 1:13:24.560 --> 1:13:26.280 right on this one clip, and I didn't think it 1:13:26.320 --> 1:13:28.280 was that cool because I was filming was your feet. 1:13:28.880 --> 1:13:31.080 So just film a lot of be real stuff because 1:13:31.160 --> 1:13:34.200 when it comes to editing a story, you can't You 1:13:34.240 --> 1:13:37.000 can't add a hunt with just a kill shot. So 1:13:37.360 --> 1:13:39.200 get a lot of other b real footage and you 1:13:39.280 --> 1:13:41.720 have a lot more to work with. I think I 1:13:41.760 --> 1:13:44.719 think the things weird because I think that some people 1:13:44.960 --> 1:13:50.200 kind of tend to fetishize the kill shot in that 1:13:50.600 --> 1:13:52.400 if we're talking about like if you want to capture 1:13:52.439 --> 1:13:55.240 the reality but hunt, you're trying in some way capture 1:13:55.439 --> 1:13:59.120 the experience of it. When you're hunting, the kill shot 1:13:59.320 --> 1:14:03.479 is like you don't even really log it in your 1:14:03.479 --> 1:14:06.200 own mind. I mean, it's just like a damn, it's done, 1:14:06.240 --> 1:14:08.439 it's gone, or you don't even know what happened. I 1:14:08.560 --> 1:14:10.519 oftentimes want to look at the footage to find out 1:14:10.560 --> 1:14:13.960 what the hell I just saw happen. And so I've 1:14:14.080 --> 1:14:16.160 tend to be like I tend not to react, like 1:14:16.280 --> 1:14:18.360 I try not to one. I try not to take 1:14:18.400 --> 1:14:22.000 in a lot of media that is just like what 1:14:22.040 --> 1:14:24.280 I'm trying to make, because I'm always afraid of what 1:14:24.320 --> 1:14:27.440 my influences will be, or that I'll wind up responding 1:14:27.520 --> 1:14:32.360 not from an honest place. I won't like create ideas 1:14:32.840 --> 1:14:35.080 or perspectives from an honest place, but it will always 1:14:35.120 --> 1:14:37.000 be like I'll be reacting to whatever happened to me 1:14:37.080 --> 1:14:43.160 last or whatever I saw last, So going against that. 1:14:43.320 --> 1:14:47.360 I have noticed this like kill shot thing right steady, 1:14:47.479 --> 1:14:49.519 like playing it again and again and again, you know, 1:14:50.160 --> 1:14:51.880 and it's just to me as in some ways felt 1:14:51.880 --> 1:14:53.320 a little bit ugly and so in a way that 1:14:53.360 --> 1:14:55.240 I have reacted to what I saw in him way, 1:14:55.280 --> 1:14:57.880 maybe it's just to go against and not make such 1:14:57.920 --> 1:14:59.840 a big deal out of that. I kind of like 1:15:00.040 --> 1:15:02.519 it when we don't even have it, or you don't 1:15:02.520 --> 1:15:04.240 even know what happened, Like you just see something that 1:15:04.280 --> 1:15:07.280 happened and it's like, that's like what it seems like. Though, yeah, 1:15:07.360 --> 1:15:09.720 it's like it's one of those moments in life that 1:15:09.800 --> 1:15:12.320 happens so fast that it's kind of a blur. You 1:15:12.360 --> 1:15:14.320 may be like I feel like I saw a puff 1:15:14.320 --> 1:15:17.000 of hair, but I could be wrong. I swear I 1:15:17.040 --> 1:15:18.680 saw a puff of hair, or I don't know. It 1:15:18.760 --> 1:15:21.479 seemed to do this when I shot and you're trying 1:15:21.520 --> 1:15:22.760 to replay the figure of if you had a good 1:15:22.800 --> 1:15:25.040 hit or not, you know, and you realize the minute 1:15:25.040 --> 1:15:26.840 you get uh to me you hit something and that 1:15:26.920 --> 1:15:30.880 runs off. You realize how frail your recollection of what 1:15:31.000 --> 1:15:34.120 just happened is because you often can't put it together. 1:15:35.479 --> 1:15:37.400 You're like, I feel this, I feel that, you know, 1:15:37.680 --> 1:15:39.360 or you might get lucky and you noticed it, like 1:15:39.800 --> 1:15:42.360 the belly lifted, the back arched up right, and that 1:15:42.400 --> 1:15:44.559 probably logged in your head just from past experiences that 1:15:44.560 --> 1:15:47.559 when you see that, you know it's dead or he 1:15:47.680 --> 1:15:50.280 slouches the wrong way, and for past experiences like that 1:15:50.360 --> 1:15:53.720 didn't look good. You don't, you know, so that might 1:15:53.760 --> 1:15:56.439 stick in your head because it triggered some memory. But 1:15:56.479 --> 1:15:58.880 often you have no idea, and so I like stuff 1:15:58.920 --> 1:16:03.120 that usn't just sort of like glorify this, this blood 1:16:03.160 --> 1:16:07.440 splattered moment, not out of any deference to people's sensitivities, 1:16:07.439 --> 1:16:10.880 but just because I feel like that's what it is. 1:16:11.040 --> 1:16:13.559 That's what it's like. I agree in going back to 1:16:13.640 --> 1:16:17.000 like talking about you know, being you know, the hr 1:16:17.120 --> 1:16:19.920 for for hunting and showing people that you know, are 1:16:20.000 --> 1:16:25.000 outside of of what we do looking in is it 1:16:25.160 --> 1:16:28.519 is it's such a small just a sliver of the 1:16:28.560 --> 1:16:32.720 experience and the story, right, Like that's not the ending, right, 1:16:33.040 --> 1:16:37.880 I still think it's important. One thing I always want 1:16:37.880 --> 1:16:40.439 to see we're out in the field, everybody does we 1:16:40.479 --> 1:16:43.080 all want to see it. It is important, but like 1:16:43.080 --> 1:16:46.360 like Steve is saying, like you watch some of these 1:16:46.360 --> 1:16:49.040 shows and they glorify it so much, like they play 1:16:49.040 --> 1:16:51.519 it like they hang their hat on it ten times, 1:16:51.520 --> 1:16:54.720 slow motion reverse upside down. It's like, Okay, I got 1:16:54.720 --> 1:16:57.639 that you killed that animal, and it's cool. Like as hunters, 1:16:57.640 --> 1:16:59.519 we know how hard you have to work to get 1:16:59.560 --> 1:17:02.679 to that point to pull the trigger. And so that's 1:17:02.760 --> 1:17:05.919 kind of like the the I did it, you know, 1:17:06.040 --> 1:17:08.960 But I agree, like in my eyes, like I hate 1:17:09.000 --> 1:17:12.120 seeing stuff over like overplayed, and that's to kill a shot, 1:17:12.200 --> 1:17:14.160 like yeah, put it in there, you need it. It's 1:17:14.200 --> 1:17:17.000 like kind of like the button. Almost. I was at 1:17:17.000 --> 1:17:19.160 an awards. I was at an awards ceremony one time, 1:17:19.320 --> 1:17:20.360 Like I said, what it was, but I was at 1:17:20.360 --> 1:17:25.800 an awards ceremony and they had a what most of 1:17:25.800 --> 1:17:27.920 the band it felt like ten minutes. Maybe it wasn't 1:17:27.960 --> 1:17:34.000 ten minutes a kill shot, real, dude, it just got 1:17:34.040 --> 1:17:36.760 to be a bit much. But like I said, me 1:17:36.880 --> 1:17:39.519 not wanting me not wanting to fetishize kill shots isn't 1:17:39.520 --> 1:17:41.799 out of sensitivit or difference. Because I used to say, 1:17:42.280 --> 1:17:44.400 if you look at like old guidelines for outdoor TV. 1:17:44.840 --> 1:17:46.280 It would be like, oh, you can't, She'll look, she'll 1:17:46.320 --> 1:17:48.320 the kill shot more than seven times in a row, 1:17:48.960 --> 1:17:53.160 really know, And in the next sentence, no bloody hands, 1:17:53.280 --> 1:17:57.840 no raw meat. Really you couldn't have raw flesh, right, 1:17:57.880 --> 1:18:00.240 It was a guideline. It was a guy like show 1:18:00.240 --> 1:18:02.920 a kill shot seven times, not more and sometimes but 1:18:02.960 --> 1:18:05.639 you cannot have a host have blood on his hands. 1:18:06.120 --> 1:18:10.479 So like our shows like an Avatar, I mean our 1:18:10.520 --> 1:18:13.839 shows like a like a like a butcher show sometimes 1:18:13.840 --> 1:18:16.040 like sometimes we'll have five minutes of butchering. So it's 1:18:16.040 --> 1:18:17.760 not like that. I'm sort of it's something I'm going like, 1:18:17.760 --> 1:18:20.040 oh no, I don't want to show anything unsanitary here. 1:18:20.280 --> 1:18:22.800 It's just a personal thing to me that I just 1:18:22.840 --> 1:18:27.040 think it's not it's just not that cool. And there's 1:18:27.080 --> 1:18:29.240 also like, sure, there's people that want to see it. 1:18:29.600 --> 1:18:33.880 But if I was in a business to just give 1:18:34.680 --> 1:18:39.439 viewers what I thought they wanted, I'd be like, I 1:18:39.439 --> 1:18:41.360 don't know, I would have gone into making like, uh, 1:18:41.920 --> 1:18:44.400 lucky charms, breakfast cereal, you know. I mean, it's like 1:18:44.439 --> 1:18:46.680 I'm not here to like make lucky charms, do you 1:18:46.680 --> 1:18:48.120 know what I mean? It's like, sure, kids want seal 1:18:48.160 --> 1:18:49.640 lots of sugar. Let's just put more sugar in there 1:18:49.640 --> 1:18:51.599 and see if they like it better. It's like and somebody, 1:18:51.600 --> 1:18:53.000 I'm like, sure, you probably want to see a bunch 1:18:53.000 --> 1:18:54.599 of kill shot stuff. You're not gonna find it here. 1:18:55.560 --> 1:18:58.280 It's like, I'm sorry, you know, I'm not gonna like 1:18:58.439 --> 1:19:01.240 bow to your base in things. And in some way, 1:19:01.320 --> 1:19:04.639 but again there's a level of hypocrisy because when we're out, 1:19:05.000 --> 1:19:06.639 that's the only thing I ever make the guys play 1:19:06.720 --> 1:19:09.160 for me, that's the only thing you want to want 1:19:09.160 --> 1:19:13.280 to see. I'm like, what do you replay it? Seven times? 1:19:12.600 --> 1:19:16.160 Not especially We're sitting there doing the old forty minute 1:19:16.160 --> 1:19:19.080 wait for track something and I'm like, dying, let me 1:19:19.120 --> 1:19:20.679 see again, let me see again, let me see the again. 1:19:21.000 --> 1:19:24.679 Then we analyze, well, what happened? As a hunter, I 1:19:24.680 --> 1:19:27.360 I do the same thing because there's something that happens 1:19:27.479 --> 1:19:29.720 when you take a shot at an animal, and it's like, 1:19:29.800 --> 1:19:32.800 almost instantly, unless that animal just takes a nose dive, 1:19:33.160 --> 1:19:38.040 almost instantly, you start second guessing yourself, You start doubting yourself, 1:19:38.080 --> 1:19:41.360 you start thinking of everything bad that could have possibly 1:19:41.400 --> 1:19:44.160 just happened. Too. So when you rewatch it because we 1:19:44.200 --> 1:19:45.479 do the same thing. I'm like, did I hit him? 1:19:45.479 --> 1:19:47.160 Where to hit him? Where where was it at? And 1:19:47.320 --> 1:19:49.680 did I miss something in there? And so it like 1:19:49.720 --> 1:19:51.960 gives you that reassurance I did make a good shot 1:19:52.040 --> 1:19:53.640 or you didn't. You know, have you ever own a 1:19:53.680 --> 1:19:56.200 doll sheet? No? So it's all the stuff, like what's 1:19:56.200 --> 1:19:59.000 the legal ram? Yeah, you know, you shoot a ram 1:19:59.120 --> 1:20:02.200 that like most Alaska. You can shoot a ram that's 1:20:02.280 --> 1:20:05.599 eight years old, which you determined by growth rings, which 1:20:05.600 --> 1:20:08.120 you're very hard to see. You can shoot it RM 1:20:08.120 --> 1:20:10.880 it's a double broom which means he's broken off his 1:20:10.960 --> 1:20:14.200 lamb tips on each side, which is sometimes very obvious, 1:20:14.280 --> 1:20:17.719 sometimes like not at all obvious. Or you can shoot 1:20:17.840 --> 1:20:22.080 ram it's full curl mean degree, it's horn, which is 1:20:22.800 --> 1:20:27.760 sometimes very obvious, sometimes not obvious. You shoot a ram 1:20:27.760 --> 1:20:30.600 and he falls down. It is the worst moments of 1:20:30.640 --> 1:20:33.840 your life, the time it takes to walk over to 1:20:33.960 --> 1:20:39.799 that ram or moose with the tip tip, the worst 1:20:39.800 --> 1:20:44.160 minutes of life. With a camera rolling, it's even worse 1:20:44.200 --> 1:20:47.280 because you might entertain the idea of everyone just keep 1:20:47.320 --> 1:20:51.040 him quiet with a camera and stuff. It's like, yeah, yeah, 1:20:51.080 --> 1:20:54.840 what's at the end of the trail, because it's weird 1:20:54.920 --> 1:20:56.880 you do. That's I don't know if it's human nature 1:20:57.200 --> 1:20:59.760 or what, but like before you pull the trigger, you 1:20:59.760 --> 1:21:02.479 were you're enough to shoot? Yeah, you were sure enough 1:21:02.479 --> 1:21:05.240 to shoot. But as soon as you do, it's like, alright, 1:21:05.360 --> 1:21:10.720 was that legal? Was that really what I thought? I saw? Oh, 1:21:10.800 --> 1:21:16.759 man's got too many tips? I think, just a quick 1:21:17.160 --> 1:21:19.840 thought on the kill shot thing, because we do strive 1:21:19.880 --> 1:21:21.559 to get it, but I'm glad that it's we don't 1:21:21.600 --> 1:21:22.960 have to hang our hat on it. We can make 1:21:22.960 --> 1:21:26.439 a show without a kill shot, no problem. Um. But 1:21:26.560 --> 1:21:31.200 for me personally, it's like so anticlimactic. I love to hunt. 1:21:31.240 --> 1:21:33.439 I love the chase, and it's like it's soon even 1:21:33.479 --> 1:21:36.120 if that animal just fault dirt naps, you know, which 1:21:36.120 --> 1:21:38.160 is like a kind of a nasty way of saying, 1:21:38.200 --> 1:21:39.559 like you just made a great shot and it just 1:21:39.600 --> 1:21:41.679 fell over, you know, dead right there in his tracks. 1:21:42.280 --> 1:21:44.559 But at that point, my hunt's over. You know. It's 1:21:44.560 --> 1:21:47.240 like now the work starts and like I'm not out 1:21:47.479 --> 1:21:50.040 chasing anymore. I'm not gonna go tomorrow morning. I'm not 1:21:50.040 --> 1:21:52.000 gonna even if I go hike the same ridge line. 1:21:52.080 --> 1:21:54.680 I'm not out hunting anymore. Let's have more tags in 1:21:54.720 --> 1:21:56.160 my pocket. But you know what I mean, it's like, 1:21:56.920 --> 1:21:58.840 even though you're you're just trying to get to that 1:21:58.920 --> 1:22:02.320 moment so hard it anti climax. Even as a producer, 1:22:02.439 --> 1:22:05.720 don't you just feel complete and utter relaxation after it 1:22:05.720 --> 1:22:08.479 happened as a producer. It's different as a producer. But 1:22:08.560 --> 1:22:13.760 that was just my personal thought tip. And this isn't 1:22:13.800 --> 1:22:15.599 just for someone trying to capture their hunt, but I 1:22:15.640 --> 1:22:17.400 think four people that are trying to maybe do a 1:22:17.439 --> 1:22:20.080 little bit more than just capture a hunt, whether it's 1:22:20.320 --> 1:22:22.680 full draw film to or you know, something like that 1:22:22.760 --> 1:22:26.160 is we see a lot of like people are putting 1:22:26.160 --> 1:22:28.960 too much effort into the beauty shots I think, as 1:22:29.000 --> 1:22:31.320 opposed to like the basics that you were talking about. 1:22:31.360 --> 1:22:33.679 And that would be my tip, Like don't worry about 1:22:33.680 --> 1:22:37.960 the sliders and the jibs and the cameras flying through 1:22:38.040 --> 1:22:41.599 trees and stuff like. Just work on documenting what's going on, 1:22:41.880 --> 1:22:44.479 I think would be my tip. You know, and trying 1:22:44.520 --> 1:22:48.320 to be the skinnerd Um. One of the guys, Leonard 1:22:48.320 --> 1:22:50.920 skinnerd once said, learn how to play a guitar, then 1:22:50.960 --> 1:22:55.320 get sexy. It's a good point. But I think you're honest. 1:22:55.320 --> 1:22:56.920 You're referring to all a heck of a lot of 1:22:57.000 --> 1:23:01.080 hunting videos that are beautifully shot, and then it's all 1:23:01.200 --> 1:23:03.439 vi O just kind of they all kind of sound 1:23:03.479 --> 1:23:05.880 the same, sappy, like oh, it's so beautiful to be 1:23:05.920 --> 1:23:07.760 in the woods in the fall, and like, you know, 1:23:08.120 --> 1:23:10.160 that's what comes in with going in without a story 1:23:10.200 --> 1:23:12.920 in mind. You're just going in logging. It's like people 1:23:12.920 --> 1:23:15.080 get in a situation where it is like log and 1:23:15.240 --> 1:23:17.800 log and log and log footage and literally sit down 1:23:17.800 --> 1:23:20.200 and go like, Okay, now I'm gonna impose some logic 1:23:20.280 --> 1:23:23.479 upon this, and it winds up being Yeah, and it 1:23:23.520 --> 1:23:26.639 requires on camera interaction. I think, I think what you're 1:23:26.760 --> 1:23:28.920 you know, not to just shoot the beauty stuff, but 1:23:29.000 --> 1:23:31.760 it requires like hosting in a sense or something, or 1:23:31.800 --> 1:23:36.519 interaction between people, you know, capturing the actual people in 1:23:36.600 --> 1:23:40.120 the action, not just them walking a path and not 1:23:40.240 --> 1:23:42.760 them checking in, you know, because that's almost at that 1:23:42.800 --> 1:23:46.400 point it's it's it's a certain script because the person's 1:23:46.400 --> 1:23:48.160 been thinking about what they're gonna, you know, check in 1:23:48.200 --> 1:23:50.920 with at that moment. Can't get away from checking in, 1:23:51.080 --> 1:23:54.200 you can't, But you need to be getting that, and 1:23:54.720 --> 1:23:56.760 you know, just always be ready for when someone just 1:23:56.800 --> 1:23:59.639 starts talking and you're going, man, this is pretty cool, 1:23:59.760 --> 1:24:03.560 Like I should be captured this. Yeah, I agree, And 1:24:03.600 --> 1:24:05.559 i'd say if you're a camera guy, don't be you're 1:24:05.600 --> 1:24:07.800 a camera guy who says I don't believe you there's 1:24:07.800 --> 1:24:13.760 there's no outcoming through. Yeah, but I feel like we 1:24:13.800 --> 1:24:16.639 can get away with a lot more or or certain 1:24:16.640 --> 1:24:19.080 things that you really can on TV, you know what 1:24:19.080 --> 1:24:21.200 I mean. Like I think a lot of times I 1:24:21.240 --> 1:24:23.800 watch YouTube videos and you know, as serious as some 1:24:23.880 --> 1:24:26.280 of them try to be, and there's this interaction with 1:24:26.360 --> 1:24:28.840 the camera guy and the guy hunting, but that comes 1:24:28.840 --> 1:24:32.000 out of that. It's great hunting TV thing. Yeah, you 1:24:32.080 --> 1:24:35.639 think it happens, you know. I think in Hunting DV 1:24:35.760 --> 1:24:39.360 there's a great amount of there's like a tremendous amount 1:24:39.360 --> 1:24:46.200 of traditionally, a tremendous amount of interaction between the film 1:24:46.560 --> 1:24:50.120 the filmer, the cameraman and the hunter. Yeah. I think 1:24:50.120 --> 1:24:52.400 that there was a show for a while. The premise 1:24:52.439 --> 1:24:54.599 of the show was a dude filming his wife hunting. 1:24:55.360 --> 1:24:58.720 Really that was the that was the plot, you know. 1:24:59.439 --> 1:25:02.200 I don't know. I've often wondered, like why is that 1:25:03.320 --> 1:25:06.960 why that world? Like is it because it's is it 1:25:07.080 --> 1:25:10.519 just a manifestation of it being so difficult to capture 1:25:10.520 --> 1:25:12.880 the kind of stuff we're talking about, and these uncontrolled 1:25:13.560 --> 1:25:15.360 environments where you don't know what's gonna happen, and like 1:25:15.439 --> 1:25:19.040 there's a tremendous amount of uncertainty that you feel the 1:25:19.080 --> 1:25:22.160 tension of trying to capture it. And so as a 1:25:22.160 --> 1:25:24.599 way to buckle to that tension, you open it up 1:25:24.640 --> 1:25:27.960 and have it be a dialogue. You'll see stuff, I mean, 1:25:27.960 --> 1:25:29.639 like great shows you see like you here the guy, 1:25:29.800 --> 1:25:31.439 did you get that? And they gotta be all excited 1:25:32.280 --> 1:25:37.360 and I don't know why they That intrusion is so welcome. 1:25:37.760 --> 1:25:39.800 The term I learned this term just the production. They 1:25:39.840 --> 1:25:41.960 call it like breaking the fourth wall. So imagine like 1:25:42.000 --> 1:25:44.320 if you were filming this room right here, right, we 1:25:44.400 --> 1:25:46.559 got the three walls, but then this wall is where 1:25:46.920 --> 1:25:48.680 the camera set up to break the fourth walls to 1:25:48.720 --> 1:25:52.000 turn and see what's here and um, and we try 1:25:52.040 --> 1:25:58.759 to do it uh very carefully, not very often. Yanni 1:25:58.880 --> 1:26:00.720 might have been before he was even doing what he 1:26:00.760 --> 1:26:02.400 was doing, like yeah, he was just a gear pack, 1:26:02.479 --> 1:26:05.759 or you might have been the first wall break spotting 1:26:05.760 --> 1:26:09.639 the grizzly in camp really and all of a sudden 1:26:09.640 --> 1:26:11.240 it was like it's kind of like Mayber were talking 1:26:11.240 --> 1:26:14.439 about being adaptive to the story, Like the camp is 1:26:14.479 --> 1:26:16.760 way more tense than there are people on camera, Like 1:26:16.760 --> 1:26:19.040 it's like we're filming out of this camp, but it 1:26:19.120 --> 1:26:21.200 was a grizzly coming up into camp and we're like, 1:26:22.160 --> 1:26:24.880 did it? And um, I think some people like it. 1:26:24.920 --> 1:26:28.120 There's a sense of camaraderie there, you know, But for 1:26:28.200 --> 1:26:34.200 me personally, UM, I tend to not welcome that. And 1:26:34.240 --> 1:26:38.080 I don't know why. It's you know, like they do 1:26:38.120 --> 1:26:40.200 it in morning shows now and then they're like like 1:26:40.240 --> 1:26:42.519 the camera guys, you know, will be his birthday and 1:26:43.520 --> 1:26:48.240 you know, but it's like it doesn't happen in most 1:26:48.280 --> 1:26:51.160 forms of media. Have you seen that new show in 1:26:51.280 --> 1:26:53.400 NBC The Island. Have you heard about this where the 1:26:53.400 --> 1:26:56.439 camera guys were our buddy from town here is on 1:26:56.479 --> 1:27:01.479 it Smith, But totally in that whole concept, you know, now, 1:27:01.600 --> 1:27:04.719 the camera guys are the talent and the right to character. 1:27:05.040 --> 1:27:07.400 He's a character and one of the shooters. But is 1:27:07.439 --> 1:27:11.519 he actually shooting a scripted in character? No actual shooting, 1:27:11.720 --> 1:27:13.840 so he's actually shooting so you didn't just go cast 1:27:13.880 --> 1:27:18.760 people to act like camera guys. The level of cynicism 1:27:19.240 --> 1:27:22.160 in some television that's we're running out to doesn't know 1:27:22.200 --> 1:27:26.000 they want to talk about. It's just like um grappling 1:27:26.120 --> 1:27:37.720 with Uh, you're grappling with your own relationship to the facts, 1:27:37.760 --> 1:27:42.120 Like what is your obligation And it's a it's a 1:27:42.160 --> 1:27:44.680 personal thing. Everyone has a side for themselves. What is 1:27:44.720 --> 1:27:48.760 your obligation with reality? What is your obligation to reality 1:27:49.240 --> 1:27:54.360 in what you present happening? And it's a tricky subject 1:27:54.360 --> 1:27:57.960 because we're talking earlier. We filmed hundreds of hours, okay, 1:27:58.240 --> 1:28:02.080 in twenty two minutes come out. You know, Um, you're 1:28:02.120 --> 1:28:06.880 already making a huge judgment about what the trip was. 1:28:07.479 --> 1:28:10.720 You're saying, the trip was this twenty two minutes. Um, 1:28:10.840 --> 1:28:13.360 So you're already in some way like if you were 1:28:13.400 --> 1:28:19.400 like absolutely loyal, faithful to reality, even the editing process 1:28:19.439 --> 1:28:21.800 would be you wouldn't be able to you wouldn't do 1:28:21.840 --> 1:28:23.920 because you're already, like you already putting a spin on it, 1:28:24.600 --> 1:28:28.960 you know, and inevitably because of issues of time, because 1:28:28.960 --> 1:28:32.560 of issues of what's of interested people, of what's palpable 1:28:32.680 --> 1:28:36.120 people of just making a quality product. You end up 1:28:36.880 --> 1:28:41.760 fudging things such as what days something happened on. We 1:28:41.840 --> 1:28:46.320 try to we try hard to never to not mess 1:28:46.400 --> 1:28:51.000 with the sort of integrity of of of something that happened, 1:28:51.280 --> 1:28:56.519 but we do like Monday, nothing might happen, but some 1:28:57.120 --> 1:29:02.839 moments from Monday might wind it's into Tuesday. Yeah, because 1:29:02.960 --> 1:29:06.800 it's not like toying with the it's not you're not 1:29:06.880 --> 1:29:11.519 like messing with you know, the pristinity of the thing 1:29:11.640 --> 1:29:15.280 or you know, you just sort of making a product. 1:29:15.600 --> 1:29:18.000 That's been our number one argument back. I'd say, since 1:29:18.040 --> 1:29:20.760 the beginning is time and how we manage time on 1:29:20.760 --> 1:29:22.880 the show, and and how it's hard to make an 1:29:22.920 --> 1:29:26.640 eight day hunt where not much happened stay compelling the 1:29:26.680 --> 1:29:30.320 storyline the entire time, when you could you know, fudge 1:29:30.320 --> 1:29:33.240 a bid and and just show four days. So and 1:29:33.560 --> 1:29:35.679 I mean you're going to like nod and like trying 1:29:35.720 --> 1:29:39.479 to nod to the passage of time. Yeah, because it's 1:29:39.520 --> 1:29:41.040 like we have a thing too. It's like if it 1:29:41.080 --> 1:29:43.559 didn't happen on film, it didn't happen. If it didn't 1:29:43.560 --> 1:29:45.519 have en on film, forget it. We're not gonna talk 1:29:45.560 --> 1:29:51.320 about it. It just didn't happen. So yeah, it winds 1:29:51.400 --> 1:29:53.800 up being and I always walked that line when we're 1:29:53.840 --> 1:29:58.000 doing while within on travel Channel, there was tremendous pressure 1:29:59.439 --> 1:30:06.960 coming from all directions to just b s bullshit, really 1:30:07.600 --> 1:30:13.160 tremendous pressure. And um, now you're talking about freedom, like 1:30:13.439 --> 1:30:16.760 now we have freedom from the pressure to bullshit. But 1:30:16.800 --> 1:30:18.280 at the end of the day, it's also it's like 1:30:18.280 --> 1:30:20.640 you're trying to like do something and to capture the 1:30:20.760 --> 1:30:22.720 essence of it. Maybe to capture the essence of it, 1:30:22.760 --> 1:30:26.439 you do at times mess with chronology. Yeah, you know, 1:30:27.120 --> 1:30:32.040 we don't borrow dead animals from people. I hope you 1:30:32.080 --> 1:30:34.920 know what I'm saying, but I don't know. I guess 1:30:35.120 --> 1:30:37.599 everything we bat That's one of the primary things we've 1:30:37.600 --> 1:30:40.040 battle about. It's that's a good question. I guess there's 1:30:40.080 --> 1:30:44.160 a fine line, like you know, you want to tell 1:30:44.200 --> 1:30:47.680 I always tell people like the realest stuff is the 1:30:47.720 --> 1:30:51.840 best to me, that's what it excites me. And and uh, 1:30:52.120 --> 1:30:56.120 you can see through the BS I think. And so 1:30:56.240 --> 1:30:59.000 we've always, like we were talking earlier, like we never 1:30:59.040 --> 1:31:02.200 go back and reshoot shots or anything like that. Yeah, 1:31:02.439 --> 1:31:05.840 that's it's a hard decision. I mean, and we could 1:31:05.840 --> 1:31:09.240 make a lot better quality content. If we could go 1:31:09.320 --> 1:31:11.840 back and redo this kill shot or whatever, you know, 1:31:12.000 --> 1:31:15.800 you could make a better, higher quality video. But for us, 1:31:15.880 --> 1:31:18.760 it's about the reality of it. Like if I was 1:31:18.800 --> 1:31:20.559 to do that, I would go back and watch that 1:31:20.760 --> 1:31:22.920 video in a year from now and and I would 1:31:22.920 --> 1:31:25.120 hate it. I would hate that video because I knew it. 1:31:25.800 --> 1:31:29.719 And but like what you're saying about, maybe Monday bleeds 1:31:29.720 --> 1:31:34.000 into Tuesday and Wednesday, you know, I think maybe, yeah, 1:31:34.080 --> 1:31:37.280 we fall we fall into that, Like, yeah, yeah, I 1:31:37.280 --> 1:31:40.360 could like, for example, the bear hunt we just put out. 1:31:40.600 --> 1:31:43.479 You know, we sat in the same stand for four nights, 1:31:44.360 --> 1:31:47.400 So say I needed a clip on that third night 1:31:47.760 --> 1:31:49.800 of you know, Casey climbing the tree stand that I 1:31:49.800 --> 1:31:52.720 didn't necessarily film on the third night, but he did 1:31:52.760 --> 1:31:55.120 the exact same thing on the second night. I can 1:31:55.160 --> 1:31:57.519 pull you know, three or four seconds to him climbing 1:31:57.560 --> 1:31:59.920 up the tree stand, just to tie in that story 1:32:00.000 --> 1:32:02.040 a little bit better. But we do try to keep 1:32:02.040 --> 1:32:04.479 it as real and as raws as possible. But yeah, 1:32:04.520 --> 1:32:07.200 like piecing together the story, if you have that clip 1:32:07.240 --> 1:32:13.200 you need from two days before, I still think that's okay. Yeah, 1:32:13.240 --> 1:32:14.559 even like what you're saying that with the bear thing, 1:32:14.560 --> 1:32:16.240 Like let's say you hunted four nights. You go, let's 1:32:16.280 --> 1:32:18.360 just make it all one night. But every bear we 1:32:18.400 --> 1:32:21.200 saw came that night. Yeah, oh yeah, it looks like 1:32:21.200 --> 1:32:24.559 an amazing yeah, which is yeah, we could have done 1:32:24.560 --> 1:32:30.320 That's that's a little bit, you know, well not not 1:32:30.360 --> 1:32:32.639 in our case. We saw the same five bears every night. 1:32:33.080 --> 1:32:35.200 It would have been the same thing, the same five 1:32:35.240 --> 1:32:38.519 bears with just different lighting. Different, but not. We try 1:32:38.560 --> 1:32:40.120 to keep it real. But like things like that, I 1:32:40.160 --> 1:32:42.920 don't think it takes away from the realness, but it like, 1:32:43.000 --> 1:32:45.360 you know, it's like b roll footage is you can 1:32:45.400 --> 1:32:47.040 kind of use that anywhere. It's just like what you're 1:32:47.080 --> 1:32:50.679 talking about meeting somebody and it's so awkward. But now 1:32:50.720 --> 1:32:52.720 you guys go into b roll with the v O 1:32:53.120 --> 1:32:55.599 and it's not so awkward. It looks good. But but 1:32:55.680 --> 1:32:58.200 like when you're shaking the hand Dot, he's not really 1:32:58.240 --> 1:33:00.799 out there, you know, shooting b roll of the scenery 1:33:00.920 --> 1:33:03.760 or Bob or whoever. So I don't think it takes 1:33:03.800 --> 1:33:06.479 away the realness of it. But but you know, what 1:33:06.560 --> 1:33:08.400 you get into is like this, we we have a 1:33:08.520 --> 1:33:10.479 thing of get a concluding thought that's gonna be by 1:33:10.520 --> 1:33:14.880 concluting thoughts for dragon on. Um, you know you're watching 1:33:15.000 --> 1:33:20.760 wildly coyote, road running, wildly coyote. Right, you're accepting all 1:33:20.760 --> 1:33:24.160 this stuff, you know, but then you see something that 1:33:24.160 --> 1:33:28.639 you don't. It's just like outlandish. It's like, Okay, you're 1:33:28.640 --> 1:33:33.080 already accepting that, like coyotes and roadrunners have you know 1:33:34.600 --> 1:33:37.840 that they have communication and mail order from ACMEE. It's 1:33:37.880 --> 1:33:41.679 like the suspension disbelief. You know. I think that anyone 1:33:41.720 --> 1:33:44.360 who sits down to watch TV in this day and age, 1:33:45.479 --> 1:33:50.360 um knows they're watching product. You know, you're you're watching, 1:33:50.400 --> 1:33:53.599 but yes, you're watching product. You're watching something edited generally, 1:33:53.640 --> 1:33:56.000 like if a guy's out alone in the woods, I 1:33:56.040 --> 1:33:58.120 think that most viewers are savvy enough to be like, 1:33:58.120 --> 1:33:59.680 he's not out alone in the woods. I had a 1:33:59.720 --> 1:34:01.519 guy times say me, I can't believe the places you 1:34:01.560 --> 1:34:05.599 go alone. It's like, well, you just I mean, you're 1:34:05.600 --> 1:34:07.599 referring to a show you watch, and clearly some dudes 1:34:07.640 --> 1:34:10.639 are shooting that show, you know, So there's like that 1:34:10.680 --> 1:34:17.280 like we're filming you know. Um, but within that, within 1:34:17.360 --> 1:34:20.040 that subtenion suspension, just believe. I do think that you 1:34:20.280 --> 1:34:25.800 do have some obligation. There's still obligations to the viewer. 1:34:26.400 --> 1:34:28.720 Some people live free of that, and those people are 1:34:28.720 --> 1:34:33.360 going to reality television. Some people, um, don't live free 1:34:33.400 --> 1:34:36.479 of that and have that that guilt or that problem 1:34:36.560 --> 1:34:38.439 or whatever's going on in their head, or they feel 1:34:38.479 --> 1:34:44.120 some fidelity to reality. Um. I struggle with it every 1:34:44.200 --> 1:34:49.519 day and I've tended to over time, had to to 1:34:49.600 --> 1:34:53.960 feel that fidelity grow, you know, the interest in the 1:34:54.000 --> 1:35:00.960 truth to increase rather than diminish. Um. That's Michael Cluton thought. Yeah. 1:35:01.479 --> 1:35:05.439 By concluding thought is a challenge to the greater hunting 1:35:05.479 --> 1:35:09.599 community to step up the collective game of the quality 1:35:09.920 --> 1:35:13.760 of their video and storytelling ability, because I think it 1:35:14.080 --> 1:35:17.639 says a lot to the wider world. Um, you know 1:35:17.880 --> 1:35:21.040 what the hunting story is if it if it's told 1:35:21.080 --> 1:35:26.000 really terribly with bad camera working bad stories. I I 1:35:26.120 --> 1:35:29.240 challenge everybody to learn the craft and get real good 1:35:29.280 --> 1:35:33.360 and make hunting something that doesn't look like a bunch 1:35:33.400 --> 1:35:35.000 of dorks in the woods that don't know what they're doing. 1:35:35.960 --> 1:35:40.439 That it's as beautiful as it is. Right. Yeah, I 1:35:40.439 --> 1:35:43.280 guess I'll chime in with with what Tody's saying is 1:35:43.439 --> 1:35:47.200 not only uh, you know, good quality you know, tells 1:35:47.200 --> 1:35:50.320 a good story, but honesty, like we've been talking about, 1:35:50.880 --> 1:35:55.759 and I really feel like a huge uh um supporter 1:35:55.920 --> 1:36:03.040 of people filming things that open the eyes of maybe 1:36:03.040 --> 1:36:07.400 non hunters and people that maybe don't know exactly what 1:36:07.439 --> 1:36:10.280 we do and capture those moments and share them because 1:36:10.960 --> 1:36:13.519 the reason most people don't enjoy what we do and 1:36:13.560 --> 1:36:16.920 don't believe in in hunting is because they're uneducated and 1:36:16.920 --> 1:36:19.840 they just don't understand. And by us filming what we 1:36:19.920 --> 1:36:22.400 do and telling the on its true story, it's open. 1:36:22.520 --> 1:36:24.320 It's really opened their eyes. And those are the comments 1:36:24.360 --> 1:36:26.840 I love reading more than anything. Is the people that 1:36:27.120 --> 1:36:31.200 we're anti hunters were vegetarians that they hated hunting before 1:36:31.520 --> 1:36:33.160 and they watched our first video on their hooked and 1:36:33.479 --> 1:36:35.640 they might not ever become hunters, but they understand what 1:36:35.680 --> 1:36:38.680 we do know and that's through good storytelling. And I 1:36:38.720 --> 1:36:42.880 want to say good quality content, which you know, we 1:36:42.880 --> 1:36:45.519 we can get away with not everything being perfect on YouTube, 1:36:45.560 --> 1:36:47.880 but I mean we do a really good job telling 1:36:48.000 --> 1:36:50.760 telling an honest story, I think yeah, And I think 1:36:50.800 --> 1:36:53.400 that's why a lot of people like watching the channel, 1:36:53.560 --> 1:36:57.840 just because of the realness and just showing people how 1:36:57.960 --> 1:37:01.160 much passion we have for we do I mean, how 1:37:01.240 --> 1:37:04.240 much respect we have for the animals and the land 1:37:04.280 --> 1:37:06.680 they live in, and kind of sending that message through 1:37:06.680 --> 1:37:09.120 our videos is one thing that we like to do 1:37:10.160 --> 1:37:12.720 is just showing that we're out there having fun. This 1:37:12.840 --> 1:37:17.280 is something that we love and uh yeah, I don't know, 1:37:17.320 --> 1:37:20.200 it's just fun to share it with people. I want 1:37:20.200 --> 1:37:22.599 to change my concluding thought that to be that everyone 1:37:22.680 --> 1:37:24.720 should needs to go buy one of Yanni's Hunt to 1:37:24.720 --> 1:37:26.960 Eat T shirts. No, he's something I get to change 1:37:26.960 --> 1:37:28.920 mind because I was gonna finally have to plug my 1:37:28.960 --> 1:37:31.360 own ship. But you guys want to Hunt to Eat 1:37:31.400 --> 1:37:36.920 T shirt? I don't. But honestly, you know, hey, by 1:37:37.000 --> 1:37:38.280 the way, I don't know. We don't know when this 1:37:38.600 --> 1:37:42.559 episode will air. But today we have Montana Hunt Eat 1:37:42.600 --> 1:37:44.960 shirts live. You can go buy them, which is apropos 1:37:45.080 --> 1:37:48.960 to the fact that we're here in Montana. Is not 1:37:49.080 --> 1:37:53.679 a paid sponsor, not at all. I buy a shirt today, 1:37:53.720 --> 1:37:57.320 it will be a paid sponsor. No, I'm staying. It's 1:37:57.360 --> 1:38:00.760 like I'm not being bought and sold here. Okay, I 1:38:00.840 --> 1:38:06.719 get I want to get squat making sure that Hearts 1:38:07.160 --> 1:38:09.559 is a thriving T shirt business. And that Yanni becomes 1:38:09.560 --> 1:38:11.719 a T shirt magnate that you children will read about, 1:38:12.000 --> 1:38:14.559 that your children will watch videos about on YouTube. There 1:38:14.640 --> 1:38:17.960 you go. I've seen that shirt floating around social media. 1:38:18.000 --> 1:38:19.840 I love that shirt doing on you should do an 1:38:19.920 --> 1:38:24.120 unboxing video your shirt. Yeah, it comes in plastic wrap. 1:38:24.320 --> 1:38:26.800 Let's open the bag. Yet you got to change it 1:38:26.880 --> 1:38:29.639 up so you're not like every other unboxed like unboxed 1:38:29.680 --> 1:38:31.719 with your feet, and then it will be a little 1:38:31.720 --> 1:38:36.160 bit different than the rest of Oh my gosh with 1:38:36.280 --> 1:38:39.080 a double rainbow unboxing shirt. That's a viral YouTube video. 1:38:39.280 --> 1:38:41.400 Now I want you to you get too concluding thoughts 1:38:41.400 --> 1:38:42.920 because I want to hear the plug you're going to 1:38:43.000 --> 1:38:47.360 give this game it? Man, I got Montana hunting really 1:38:47.439 --> 1:38:50.559 gonna use your concluding thoughts and plug T shirt business? 1:38:50.720 --> 1:38:53.920 Of course not. Oh no, I didn't get to talk 1:38:53.960 --> 1:38:56.760 about the difference between hunting alone and hunting you know, 1:38:57.040 --> 1:38:58.840 with the camera crew. So I was just gonna touch 1:38:58.880 --> 1:39:00.840 on that because it never got around to me earlier. 1:39:01.400 --> 1:39:04.080 Either way, he wears a hunts Eat T shirt, especially 1:39:04.160 --> 1:39:10.599 during podcasts. It's a good reminder. Um, I relish the quiet. 1:39:11.000 --> 1:39:12.680 We still get it because we do a good job. 1:39:12.760 --> 1:39:15.639 I think of remembering too. That's why we're out there, 1:39:15.760 --> 1:39:17.960 you know, hunting and to get those quiet moments. And 1:39:18.040 --> 1:39:21.000 I think when everybody sees our upcoming Cusier episode, that's 1:39:21.000 --> 1:39:23.280 going to really come through because we just like hung 1:39:23.320 --> 1:39:25.760 out in the quiet for four days and enjoyed that. 1:39:25.880 --> 1:39:28.080 But I always look forward to going out on my 1:39:28.160 --> 1:39:31.920 own hunts without you know, the crew, just because I 1:39:32.120 --> 1:39:35.799 like just sitting there and just not not talking to anybody, 1:39:35.960 --> 1:39:39.479 just listening to the birds and then wind. And you've 1:39:39.560 --> 1:39:43.280 sacrificed a lot of that being in the line of 1:39:43.320 --> 1:39:45.880 work that we're talking about here, what you guided a lot, 1:39:45.920 --> 1:39:51.519 and so guiding is probably not that quiet. But you've 1:39:51.560 --> 1:39:54.519 sacrificed a lot of your what would be alone time 1:39:54.600 --> 1:39:57.200 in the woods in order to get in a way 1:39:57.360 --> 1:39:58.960 to get more time in the woods. But it's a 1:39:59.000 --> 1:40:05.080 different time, you know. It's been a good, good sacrifice. 1:40:05.600 --> 1:40:08.280 So that count is my concluding thought. Look at a 1:40:08.280 --> 1:40:12.719 concluding thought. That doesn't count. Oh that's good, I missed 1:40:12.720 --> 1:40:17.760 my quiet haunts. Well that's all right, buy one of 1:40:17.840 --> 1:40:22.120 Johnnie shirts he misses his quiet haunts. Um casey do 1:40:22.200 --> 1:40:24.120 a final like give get everybody run down? How to 1:40:24.200 --> 1:40:29.080 find go to YouTube dot com slush hushing with Lavie 1:40:29.280 --> 1:40:32.000 or just type in get hushing um and it will 1:40:32.040 --> 1:40:34.599 come up. And this goes to YouTube types of hushing. 1:40:34.640 --> 1:40:37.280 What happens. It will come up spell hushing, h U 1:40:37.600 --> 1:40:40.920 s h I n hushing. Yeah. Go just type in 1:40:41.439 --> 1:40:43.640 hushing in the YouTube browser. Come up. Go watch some 1:40:43.680 --> 1:40:47.720 more our videos. They're good. What's the best? Like if 1:40:47.760 --> 1:40:51.360 you could have people watch one, what would you have watched? Um, 1:40:52.920 --> 1:40:56.800 I shot a video, not the fireball. No, I would 1:41:00.080 --> 1:41:02.120 say is like this is I'm not trying to plug 1:41:02.200 --> 1:41:04.240 our channel. I'm trying to plug Eric here. Like it's 1:41:04.280 --> 1:41:08.200 one of the most amazing honeymoon I've ever seen. Like, um, 1:41:08.320 --> 1:41:11.120 he captured the whole whole story, and it's an amazing story. 1:41:11.160 --> 1:41:13.200 You told about it. Go watch the fireball hunt. There's 1:41:13.200 --> 1:41:15.280 a couple of videos I'm really passionate about. I did 1:41:15.439 --> 1:41:17.040 my It took my son on his first hunt. Not 1:41:17.200 --> 1:41:19.639 he wasn't hunting. He was with me on an analyt 1:41:19.800 --> 1:41:22.479 punt last year and it worked. It just was an 1:41:22.479 --> 1:41:24.760 awesome hunt. And uh, there's a couple of them. Go 1:41:24.960 --> 1:41:27.719 go watch all of them. I think there's a hundred 1:41:27.760 --> 1:41:33.519 now close to so Yeah, type in hush and you 1:41:33.600 --> 1:41:36.400 get the whole sportus board. If you got twenty two 1:41:36.439 --> 1:41:39.479 minutes to kill and you've watched every meet or that 1:41:39.560 --> 1:41:43.439 it was ever made, first, type in the firebowl. I 1:41:43.560 --> 1:41:45.240 have one request. If you click on the video, you 1:41:45.280 --> 1:41:49.400 gotta watch the whole thing, though, No no skipping. Once 1:41:49.479 --> 1:41:52.720 you click you're committed, don't don't skip the pre the 1:41:52.800 --> 1:41:55.679 pre roll ads. That's how we make her. I'm just kidding. 1:41:56.200 --> 1:42:00.840 So there's all your stuff. All your stuff lives on hushing. Yeah, 1:42:01.280 --> 1:42:03.920 the most for the most part, most of my videos 1:42:04.200 --> 1:42:07.000 as of recent all of my videos recently are on 1:42:07.120 --> 1:42:11.000 the hush and channel. And these boys get this make 1:42:11.080 --> 1:42:14.240 a living making hunting videos on YouTube. Yeah, I just 1:42:14.439 --> 1:42:16.639 said at the top of the damn Yeah. I think 1:42:16.680 --> 1:42:18.240 we kind of covered that, but that would not be 1:42:19.000 --> 1:42:22.439 what we talked about earlier, right, do you want Do 1:42:22.479 --> 1:42:24.000 you want people to know that a fellow can just 1:42:24.080 --> 1:42:26.240 go out and make hunting videos and make a living. Yeah? 1:42:27.080 --> 1:42:31.679 I do. People think like it's like this hidden secret 1:42:31.720 --> 1:42:33.720 I'm trying to hide from. I want everyone to do it. 1:42:33.840 --> 1:42:36.080 I want I want you to go and make videos 1:42:36.120 --> 1:42:37.720 on YouTube. I want everyone to go to YouTube, make 1:42:37.760 --> 1:42:41.280 hunting videos because it just makes it powerful, more powerful, 1:42:41.360 --> 1:42:44.880 brings more eyeballs. But uh yeah, and I don't have TV, 1:42:45.040 --> 1:42:46.679 so it's hard for me to watch your TV show. 1:42:47.160 --> 1:42:51.320 We'll start stream start putting that stuff on the on YouTube. Listen, 1:42:52.320 --> 1:42:54.080 tell me the best way to string your your show 1:42:54.960 --> 1:42:59.960 me eater dot vh X, dot TV perfect. And we're 1:43:00.040 --> 1:43:03.040 gonna put a whole bunch of more videos on YouTube 1:43:03.080 --> 1:43:06.400 in the near future. We're cutting a whole hundred or 1:43:06.479 --> 1:43:09.120 so episode series of how to tips. It's going to 1:43:09.160 --> 1:43:11.719 go on the meat Eater how to with the whole 1:43:11.800 --> 1:43:15.680 meat Eater like a ton of people, like loosely affiliated 1:43:15.760 --> 1:43:17.800 people you've seen on episode, just like a ton of 1:43:17.880 --> 1:43:21.040 people doing it cool. Yeah, I love that stuff. I 1:43:21.040 --> 1:43:23.640 mean I've watched all all of them, most everything on 1:43:23.720 --> 1:43:28.360 that channel, behind the scenes stuff. It's fun. Alright, guys, 1:43:28.960 --> 1:43:33.040 thanks for tuning in. Bows in Montana. Um watch them 1:43:33.120 --> 1:43:36.720 Hushing watch the fire bowl he gets he kills in 1:43:36.800 --> 1:43:44.200 the end. Alright, guys, thanks for joining