Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning into the Meat Eater podcast. We're recording
Speaker 1: right now out of Bozeman, Montana, specifically out of the
Speaker 1: spacious placial rental home of Dan Doughty. Dan has a
Speaker 1: lookout tower. We're in his basement. Many floors blow his
Speaker 1: lookout power, which looks out over irrigated pasture, chickens, ducks, ducks,
Speaker 1: foul um. In the kitchen right now, he's prepping up
Speaker 1: some of his homegrown chickens. He uh to everyone who
Speaker 1: comes in. He marvels about their size and robustness. Chickens,
Speaker 1: huge chickens. This is like a homecoming for me because
Speaker 1: years ago I lived at Montana for a long time,
Speaker 1: about a decade, and for a short spell I lived
Speaker 1: here in Bozeman and we rented. My brother and I
Speaker 1: were living in a trailer park. In that trailer park
Speaker 1: like inspires certain images in a person's mind. But this
Speaker 1: guy own his trailer park. You know, r Have you
Speaker 1: guys heard of Rock Creek. He put trailers on his
Speaker 1: trailer park at about the same spacing that they put
Speaker 1: golf greens on a golf course. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: like paradise and it came with private access well to
Speaker 1: Rocky Creek. Dude, there was like it was a giant place.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think there's like thirteen trailers on it.
Speaker 1: What is it now? Is it still there? I have
Speaker 1: no idea. Always want to go. Look the nicest guy.
Speaker 1: He drove around on a golf cart. All this dude
Speaker 1: did was mole grass and had this creek. We uh
Speaker 1: picked ferry ring mushrooms off the property. We would shoot
Speaker 1: our bowl in our own little area. He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: if you boys really want to have a good place
Speaker 1: to shooting, like, we had a little shooting area and
Speaker 1: we'd explore that creek with fly rods. But if you
Speaker 1: really wanted to get an accurate idea what was going
Speaker 1: on there, you'd run a leaf for him through that
Speaker 1: thing and turn up a whole other class of fish
Speaker 1: out of there. No, it's a great trailer park. It
Speaker 1: didn't make any I don't know. I never got into
Speaker 1: this guy's books. It made no sense that he was
Speaker 1: running it as a trailer park. Where from town is that?
Speaker 1: Where is that creek? You know it's at that, it's
Speaker 1: right by it's out by the um. What's that good
Speaker 1: breakfast place out by the slaughter yard or the sail yard, Stockyard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Rocky Creek. But you know what it was the way
Speaker 1: it was, truck's ripping down out of Bozeman Pass, hit
Speaker 1: the Jake breaks. They basically not to hit the Jake
Speaker 1: breaks at me and Matt's trailer, you know, just like
Speaker 1: you got used to it after a while. Um, living there,
Speaker 1: I found out why they call him Jake breaks. It's
Speaker 1: a compression break made by Jacob Industries in Pennsylvania. Do
Speaker 1: you guys already know that? Yeah? Really as dum dump
Speaker 1: truck for a number of years when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: So you're throwing a Jake breaking past my trailer with
Speaker 1: the Jake drove down that hill and I saw your trailer,
Speaker 1: I would hit the Jake break like that's ronella. He
Speaker 1: gets to Jake. Um, all right, we're not gonna be
Speaker 1: talking about trailer parks. Well, we are talking about is
Speaker 1: uh the science and lower and bullshit involved with filming art.
Speaker 1: The science art, lower and bullshit of filming hunts. And
Speaker 1: this is something like I hear about. I hear about
Speaker 1: in different ways from from people who ask questions all
Speaker 1: the time. They'll ask how do you get into that
Speaker 1: line of work? Right? So people will see like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of guys out there who are like, man,
Speaker 1: you know, I like the film hunts. Why can't Why
Speaker 1: don't I film hunts for living? Or is it different hunting?
Speaker 1: Like do you miss hunting without cameras? Or people just
Speaker 1: having technical questions about film and hunts or um, I
Speaker 1: feel like there's other ores. Well, there's a lot. I
Speaker 1: mean there's a million questions, and then there's just when
Speaker 1: you watch and see that people could do if you're
Speaker 1: so inclined to film your hunt for memory's sake or
Speaker 1: for whatever things that one should be doing to do
Speaker 1: a better job. You know, you see and those articles
Speaker 1: about how to take good grip and grins and magazines
Speaker 1: you don't see much about like just sort of like
Speaker 1: capturing film on hunts, like how to be roll footage
Speaker 1: no one talks about. No one ever wrote an article
Speaker 1: about that. I think it's interesting. Now, I'd let me
Speaker 1: introduce you. Um, I'm here with Media your producer yea
Speaker 1: honest you tell us also director and producer Dan Doherty.
Speaker 1: These guys are both based here out of Bozeman at
Speaker 1: z PC West um Casey Lvier from Hush Hushing or
Speaker 1: Hush because he used to be Hushing your your cap
Speaker 1: hushes the merch line. Hushing is the the YouTube page
Speaker 1: which is hunt slash Fishing Hushing. So be like New
Speaker 1: Balance and New Belle a lot like that. So explain
Speaker 1: it again. Hushing is the Hushing is your your humongous
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Yeah, I wouldn't say it's humongous, but it's hard.
Speaker 1: But just lay lay a couple of credentials out We've got.
Speaker 1: It's a big YouTube like you do, like a big
Speaker 1: I mean, we do a big, brisk YouTube business. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the hunting channel. I run a couple of different YouTube channels.
Speaker 1: I have a personal family channel we run that's very successful.
Speaker 1: We've got over five hundred thousand subscribers, almost to hit
Speaker 1: a hundred million views, and then the hunting channel is
Speaker 1: doing really well and it's got what five hunting and fishing,
Speaker 1: outdoor cooking, Hushing Hushing subscribers, and then we're almost gonna
Speaker 1: hit ten million views, which I mean when I started
Speaker 1: this four years ago, my brother was the one that
Speaker 1: convinced me to do this because he was doing YouTube
Speaker 1: full time back then and he's like, why don't you
Speaker 1: make a hunting channel on YouTube? I'm like that is
Speaker 1: not the audience that's on YouTube or on the internet really,
Speaker 1: So it was a hard game at first, but now
Speaker 1: there's it's opening up and other people are starting to
Speaker 1: put con hint on there and and I think more
Speaker 1: and more hunters and fishermen are knowing that they can
Speaker 1: watch stuff on there. So it's done well. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: compared to some of the giant YouTube channels, it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like a lot, but for what we're trying to do,
Speaker 1: it it's done really well. And uh yeah, we're excited.
Speaker 1: Then Chester the Blaster yea, he really drives a van.
Speaker 1: I wish I had a van Eric Eric Ester, Eric Chester,
Speaker 1: not Chester, not Chester. But everyone wants to make it.
Speaker 1: Everyone wants they want to do what I just did.
Speaker 1: I could spell it out for him with two s's
Speaker 1: and now somehow put a T in there and how
Speaker 1: do you what's your affiliation? Well, it's pretty cool. How
Speaker 1: Casey and I met. We actually met at the Big
Speaker 1: Western and uh Western Hunting and Conservation Expo in Salt
Speaker 1: Lake and I was making films and DVDs and some
Speaker 1: YouTube films before I met Casey, and he introduced himself
Speaker 1: to me, and uh, hunting, films, hunting, DVDs, shed hunting, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: anything we can get there in film. And uh, he
Speaker 1: introduced himself to me as a YouTuber and it just
Speaker 1: blew me away that he did YouTube videos. I really
Speaker 1: didn't understand it. Um. Since then, we've just kind of
Speaker 1: pardoned up and did some collaborative hunts together and now
Speaker 1: we're working together. Are you still doing DVDs? No, No
Speaker 1: more DVDs right now, We're just gonna We're committed to YouTube.
Speaker 1: And then that's the direction we're going. It's hard to
Speaker 1: sell it DVD these days, and it is. I think
Speaker 1: DVD sales are going down. I mean we're still whatever
Speaker 1: the out Yeah on the high dude, you want to
Speaker 1: know something like like like this sort of apocryphal? Is that?
Speaker 1: What was that a word? An apocryphal story? I ever
Speaker 1: like to date myself, not to go on dates myself
Speaker 1: with to date like my era. When I was born.
Speaker 1: I remember being in a class in college at Lake
Speaker 1: State University and it would have been nine and I
Speaker 1: was in his communications class, okay, and it was like
Speaker 1: one of the things you have to do is you
Speaker 1: have to make a persuasion speech. Okay. I remember dude
Speaker 1: getting up there and saying, man, you should be getting
Speaker 1: rid of your tapes because CDs or where it's at,
Speaker 1: it's like they don't have the tape, don't break yeah,
Speaker 1: and being there man like I don't know, man, there
Speaker 1: was a potent argument in favorite CDs, I'm switching. It
Speaker 1: seemed like such a risk back then to give up
Speaker 1: those those cassettes for this new thing. Right, are you
Speaker 1: guys old enough to have had cassettes? Dude? I remember
Speaker 1: my I would say I was in fifth grade, but
Speaker 1: it might have been like six or seventh. I had
Speaker 1: a yellow walkman, and these were like really popular, I
Speaker 1: feel like, and you could like put them under the Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I had this and yeah it was a cassette
Speaker 1: and that I listened to that thing for like three
Speaker 1: years like New Kids on the Block, criss Cross. You
Speaker 1: guys remember these guys. Yeah, So I'll tell the first
Speaker 1: tape I ever own, this is way off such the
Speaker 1: first tape everyone was a Ghostbusters soundtrack. Really yeah, Mine
Speaker 1: was Aky Breaky Heart. I think I own that same
Speaker 1: canseet at one point I might still have it. So
Speaker 1: you you self identify as a YouTuber, I do, I
Speaker 1: mean so you're like, but when I think of the YouTube, right,
Speaker 1: people who do unboxing videos, which I discovered to my kids,
Speaker 1: watch a video of someone taking the toy out of
Speaker 1: a box, and they'll have millions of you. The biggest
Speaker 1: niche in YouTube right now. And there's a channel out there.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what it's called, but it's basically a
Speaker 1: lady to unboxes Disney toys, plays with him for a second,
Speaker 1: never shows her face. It's like an over the shoulder shot.
Speaker 1: Plays with these toys. Videos done twenty million views. My
Speaker 1: kid man, you like you caught him loose on YouTube,
Speaker 1: which I don't like to do because all of a
Speaker 1: sudden he's talking about stuff he ran into. But you
Speaker 1: caught him loose on YouTube. Would be like, he likes
Speaker 1: monster trucks. Yeah, so you play them anster truck video
Speaker 1: and the next thing he's watching is someone unboxing monster
Speaker 1: truck toys and he just like mouth opened, drool coming out.
Speaker 1: It's like that he just is transfixed. And how they
Speaker 1: do it where you don't see the person, you just
Speaker 1: see the person's hands. Yeah, I'm gonna do unboxing videos
Speaker 1: of critters. Yeah, how what's in there? It's five? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The thing is with why they're so popular is because
Speaker 1: what does a five year old too? He rewatches that
Speaker 1: thing a hundred times. Yeah, it's like going back to
Speaker 1: the Ghostbusters. I just showed my youngest boy or my
Speaker 1: oldest boy the Ghostbusters. We watched the video. He's watched
Speaker 1: it ten times since. So they watched this unboxing video
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna watch it one time and move on.
Speaker 1: That's how you rack up hits on YouTube. You have it,
Speaker 1: so they watch and then it gets into that category
Speaker 1: of unboxing. So every video it suggested videos and unboxing
Speaker 1: video and they just it's the same channel and just
Speaker 1: clicking over and over and over, like wrapped in paper
Speaker 1: like a birthday or it's just how it comes to
Speaker 1: the store. You'd be like, yeah, but you could go
Speaker 1: go you could go watch unboxing videos of a fishing reel.
Speaker 1: Going to like going to YouTube and type in unboxing
Speaker 1: Chamano stratic and there will be a guy being like,
Speaker 1: so I just got the Shamano stratic um. He'll kind
Speaker 1: of like show yeah, cost it's open up, will open
Speaker 1: it up and okay, so it's in a little cell
Speaker 1: phone bag, Um, I get that open it comes to
Speaker 1: the extra spool. I kind of I'm liking the quality
Speaker 1: of this spool. Let's take a look, or here's the handle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's why I like, Yeah, you're like your mind,
Speaker 1: You're just like you can't. It's just amazing. Man. And
Speaker 1: there's they get manicures, nice manicures. That's that's a big secret.
Speaker 1: I think of an unboxing video, I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: I don't have pretty hands. So it's you and the
Speaker 1: unboxers and you. When did you start making hunting videos?
Speaker 1: I think we up. I uploaded the very first hunting
Speaker 1: video like four years ago, like four years ago, January.
Speaker 1: What was it it was? I don't talk about those
Speaker 1: first videos, Steve, No, it was. It was the very
Speaker 1: first video I ever put up. Was a UH reel
Speaker 1: of that season that I was getting ready to upload.
Speaker 1: So it was like the thirty second highlight of the
Speaker 1: five hunts I filmed. So the first film I put
Speaker 1: up was I think my brother's elk hunt um and Uh.
Speaker 1: It was a good film. No, it was terrible, but
Speaker 1: it was like thirty minutes long and it was mostly
Speaker 1: me and my brother sitting in our little UH studio
Speaker 1: office in California talking about this Hunt, showing some clips
Speaker 1: of The Hunt basically, and uh it, I mean it
Speaker 1: still gets views. It's probably been viewed two thousand times.
Speaker 1: But I watched. But it's good. Like I tell people
Speaker 1: that those first couple of films are kind of embarrassing
Speaker 1: because I'm just like, what was I doing? But it's
Speaker 1: good to watch because then I can see how far
Speaker 1: we've came. So but totally stilf taught. Oh yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about like going blast blast
Speaker 1: from the past. I learned how to film and edit
Speaker 1: videos when I was in high school because I was
Speaker 1: trying to become a professional snowboard I was writing for
Speaker 1: a company in Salt Lake, and I was trying to
Speaker 1: get the bigger sponsors on and so I'd go out
Speaker 1: with my mom's VHS, I mean five pounds camera, shoot
Speaker 1: video of me snowboarding, go, and I'd cut from VCR
Speaker 1: to VCR and I spent hours doing this for like
Speaker 1: this three minute clip. And then I'd send all these
Speaker 1: v vhs is out to these snowboard companies like hey,
Speaker 1: sponsor me, you know. So that was my like initial
Speaker 1: approach into filming myself. But um, then I started filming
Speaker 1: hunting and stuff later. But yeah, like self taught pretty
Speaker 1: much like on all the new edending software and all
Speaker 1: the new HD cameras and all that stuff. I think
Speaker 1: it's worth mentioning. I think that's when we aired Mediator
Speaker 1: the first time four years ago in January, right, the
Speaker 1: same length of life here. Yeah, I can't turn a
Speaker 1: camera on. I honestly, I'll see camera like beeping and
Speaker 1: I'll be like, oh, you know, almost to running out
Speaker 1: of battery. I just come find someone. I'm like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: there's needs to be a problem out there with one
Speaker 1: of the campus that sounds wrong. I can't figure it out.
Speaker 1: It's making noise. Yeah, so we Yeah, so we started
Speaker 1: doing hunts. Like the first hunt I ever filmed was
Speaker 1: two that pow. Yeah, I started doing I think it
Speaker 1: was in two thousand two nine. But it was like
Speaker 1: a whole different deal because it wasn't like the self
Speaker 1: taught thing was rolling in with like some professional mugs.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't filming see, like, I don't comfort perspective.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm glad Dan and the host are here,
Speaker 1: because like talking about film and hunts, I don't really know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I can't even speak to it.
Speaker 1: But I have a lot of things about I have
Speaker 1: a lot of feelings that I'd be curious to get
Speaker 1: your take on it. The way the way filming it um.
Speaker 1: In some way, I want to say it bad asteridizes it,
Speaker 1: but in some ways that kind of glory like makes
Speaker 1: it better. You know, no, just to be capturing it,
Speaker 1: because I often get hung up on sort of the
Speaker 1: big idea of why, like why film it? Like what's wrong?
Speaker 1: Stuff is being in your head? No, I agree, do
Speaker 1: different wonder about it? Yeah? Like then, but but I'm
Speaker 1: almost shamed to admit I have a ton of fun,
Speaker 1: Like in some ways it's more fun to go out
Speaker 1: and film it. Yeah, I mean there's I guess there's
Speaker 1: two ways to look at it, Like I do the
Speaker 1: hunting thing. But we also, like I was talking about earlier,
Speaker 1: we have this family channel wher I vlog is like
Speaker 1: a video log diary of our daily life. And I
Speaker 1: don't VIEO tape every day, but five to six days
Speaker 1: a week I uploading video to YouTube of me and
Speaker 1: my wife and our kids hanging out doing living our life.
Speaker 1: It sounds crazy, I know, but and I love having
Speaker 1: those moments I love going back and being like, look
Speaker 1: at when you were three. You know, because we've been
Speaker 1: doing it for four and a half five years. But
Speaker 1: there are certain times and certain things and moments that
Speaker 1: happened that I go to take out the camera, said no, this,
Speaker 1: this just needs to be in my head. It doesn't
Speaker 1: need to be shared with anybody else. You did, like
Speaker 1: upload your children passing through the birth canal? No, but
Speaker 1: pretty close. I mean my wife wouldn't allow that, obviously,
Speaker 1: but she had a c section the last baby, and
Speaker 1: that's the only one I really filmed, and like upload, dude,
Speaker 1: my wife like, we got to a point now, Dan,
Speaker 1: your couche has falling apart. Oh no, we got two
Speaker 1: points now. My wife won't even let me put pictures
Speaker 1: of my kids online. I was gonna ask you about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we decided that no filming kids. I don't even want
Speaker 1: kids on my show. Yeah, no filming kids. I don't
Speaker 1: put my kids anywhere. And I'll put pictures of my
Speaker 1: kids up. I can put pictures in the back of
Speaker 1: their heads up. But in my mind, I just gotten
Speaker 1: to be where it's like that's something that they need
Speaker 1: to decide for themselves. Yeah, it's a big thing. It's
Speaker 1: not just private, right, So it's like, later on, are
Speaker 1: you gonna be glad that someone exploited is a strong word.
Speaker 1: And I can say this because I did it, Like
Speaker 1: I put my kid on tv UM later on and
Speaker 1: be like, are you gonna be glad that someone took
Speaker 1: the liberty of broadcasting your life for public consumption before
Speaker 1: the age of consent? Yeah? I mean, so it's like
Speaker 1: it's in a little way, I just feel like it
Speaker 1: started to feel to me like very exploited him and
Speaker 1: not just that dangerous dangerous and exploited him. I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, i'd be curious to hear your take on it.
Speaker 1: Now I I have. That's like the one of the
Speaker 1: biggest concerns people always ask us is like, do you
Speaker 1: really want your kids out there? Like or do they
Speaker 1: do they later want to be out there? Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: who knows what they're gonna want to do, you know,
Speaker 1: ten years from now, Like maybe they're gonna come back
Speaker 1: and be like dad, like why did you do that?
Speaker 1: But it's always very clear with with me and my
Speaker 1: wife that if they don't want to be on film,
Speaker 1: they will not be on film. But they too little
Speaker 1: to know are you ask my kids what do you
Speaker 1: want to eat? What do you tell you wants to eat?
Speaker 1: Mac and cheese? So that's what he wants to eat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean, and that's my My last name is
Speaker 1: actually Butler, but when we started the channel, I didn't
Speaker 1: want my information out there, so I used my middle name.
Speaker 1: And now all the information about me is out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't know, like I get there. I've heard
Speaker 1: some weird stories I've had, like, uh, big bloggers tell
Speaker 1: me crazy stories about their kids and pictures and stuff
Speaker 1: end up in the wrong places, and I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it frightens me. But I mean you really can't get
Speaker 1: on any social media platform Facebook, Twitter or anything and
Speaker 1: post any pictures then really nobody can. It's not like
Speaker 1: I don't feel like they target us because what we
Speaker 1: do they just find whoever. And I don't understand it all.
Speaker 1: And uh, but here's another way to look at it,
Speaker 1: because I've had this conversation with my brother. He has
Speaker 1: five kids. I have three kids. We talked about this
Speaker 1: all the time, like we all like me, my brother,
Speaker 1: my two brothers, my sister, my wife, his wife, like
Speaker 1: we all make YouTube videos for a living. It's like
Speaker 1: the family business now, and it is this is a
Speaker 1: little bit out there, far fetched. But if you grew
Speaker 1: up on a dairy farm and you didn't want to
Speaker 1: be a dairy farmer, is your dad doing to still
Speaker 1: make you go out and milk cows? It's a family business,
Speaker 1: like it's kind of way I look at it, but
Speaker 1: it kind of not because it is. Maybe later on
Speaker 1: in life my kids are gonna be like dad, I
Speaker 1: didn't want you to record my first trade, you know, graduation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I mean that's a good point. Family business, that's
Speaker 1: what we do for a living. If I didn't see
Speaker 1: all if I didn't see all sides of I would
Speaker 1: have brought it up. If I was just like I
Speaker 1: knew I was right and I was super confident in
Speaker 1: being right. I have never brought it up. I don't
Speaker 1: know the answer to it. Don't either. But the thing
Speaker 1: about this isn't why I brought up. I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: a seamless segue. I feel the same way. Sometimes part
Speaker 1: of me feels the same way about hunting that I
Speaker 1: do about kids. Is it like the exploitation of something
Speaker 1: so beautiful filming it? And sometimes I feel like um,
Speaker 1: like it's a deal with the devil. I don't understand
Speaker 1: why I deal with the devil because I just feel
Speaker 1: like this happened. No farther, let's say a quick break
Speaker 1: they hear from our sponsors will be right back. I'll
Speaker 1: just talk about that. Filming hunts sometimes feels as though,
Speaker 1: um that that at the risk of sounding spiritual, No not,
Speaker 1: let me no, not not at the risk of sounding spiritual.
Speaker 1: That there's sort of this thing like in the natural world,
Speaker 1: you're sort of being gifted glimpses into some things, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's yields private or it feels like, um, like
Speaker 1: you paid some level of dudes to be there and
Speaker 1: see these things happen, and then to see it and
Speaker 1: then to capture or to interrupt that moment in order
Speaker 1: to make an accounting of it. Starts to feel like, well, why, like,
Speaker 1: is it not just good enough that it just happened?
Speaker 1: Does it really have to happen that way? And I've
Speaker 1: gotten to the point where something amazing will happen, what's
Speaker 1: the first thing out of my mouth? Did you get that?
Speaker 1: It's like it wasn't you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: like it makes you sort of reset expectations in some way.
Speaker 1: But also I think good things come of it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think that you're like to
Speaker 1: introduce people to certain worlds. You're like inspiring people and
Speaker 1: you just have to make a record. You know. The
Speaker 1: oldest representational art we know about is dudes doing depictions
Speaker 1: of their hunt on cave walls. People for a long
Speaker 1: time have been saying, like I did, and I will
Speaker 1: now record. You know, does it feel different to you
Speaker 1: than writing about Hunt? Yeah? For some reason. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: more intrusive, more more intrusive. I agree with that, Like
Speaker 1: there are some things I think that should be experienced
Speaker 1: and should just be uploaded into your brain. And that's it.
Speaker 1: We were talking about one on the way here, like
Speaker 1: the cell count we did last year. He filmed it.
Speaker 1: I shot this really nice bowl and he got it
Speaker 1: all on on film. But there's this one moment, like
Speaker 1: the very first time I saw the bowl coming through
Speaker 1: the trees, and we had got none of it captured.
Speaker 1: But that's something that's it feels like it is captured
Speaker 1: because I I replay that all the time and that's
Speaker 1: like my moment, you know, like that was like my
Speaker 1: thing that only I experienced, And that's pretty pretty rat
Speaker 1: but like what you were going after, like with it
Speaker 1: does good things. And you've said it before, like the
Speaker 1: you feel like your shows the hr of of hunting right,
Speaker 1: Like it really shows a lot of people that other
Speaker 1: world words wouldn't have watched hunting what it really happens.
Speaker 1: And that's probably the coolest thing that we see on
Speaker 1: on our YouTube channels because we have such a big
Speaker 1: audience that aren't necessarily hunters. There were anti hunters, they
Speaker 1: were vegetarians or vegans, you know, they're the people against it,
Speaker 1: and then they really watch what what a hunt really
Speaker 1: requires and what it takes. It's not just a bunch
Speaker 1: of deers jumping in the truck with the case of beer,
Speaker 1: driving out, killing everything you see and going home. But
Speaker 1: we respect these animals and we consume these animals and
Speaker 1: and so yeah, it is tough sometimes thinking that you
Speaker 1: exploit those animals for what you do. But I think
Speaker 1: in the long run, uh, what the meat Eater shows done, um,
Speaker 1: I feel like we've done the same on YouTube. It
Speaker 1: really opens the eyes to the people that might not
Speaker 1: have understood what we did before. And I think that's
Speaker 1: the biggest problem with people that don't agree with what
Speaker 1: we do is they're just not educated on it or
Speaker 1: got or do in fact know about something that happened,
Speaker 1: but they know about an anomalous thing that happens, you know,
Speaker 1: like that one day, like they live in a suburban
Speaker 1: one day a deer comes a rounding their yard with
Speaker 1: the arrow hanging out of it, arrow stuck in its
Speaker 1: like kind they're like, oh, so that's what that's all about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, no one ever shows up those moments though,
Speaker 1: when when you think may should you know, should only
Speaker 1: be for yourself? When we do film them and say
Speaker 1: I'm shooting you and I you know, capture you experiencing that,
Speaker 1: Like there's there's an I think there's like a next
Speaker 1: level of I don't know, just I guess context, but
Speaker 1: possibly beauty too, to see someone having an emotional or
Speaker 1: experiential thing happened. Like remember when we shot Joe Rogan
Speaker 1: shoot his first year, there's that moment that that MO
Speaker 1: captured there that is you know, not that it's greater
Speaker 1: than his experience, of course it's not, but there's something
Speaker 1: really powerful there and you know we're looking for that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what Johannis and I are looking for
Speaker 1: as much as possible. Is that real experience. But you
Speaker 1: know it's interesting because you know, you're not the writer
Speaker 1: in that case. In that case, the producer of the
Speaker 1: shooter is the writer and you're the subject. And um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's what we go for. So it's it's
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it is exploitative necessarily animal.
Speaker 1: I think it's also can be incredibly respectful specifically towards
Speaker 1: that situation for sure. Man Like yeah, just to render
Speaker 1: it and I think that, you know, I guess it's
Speaker 1: it's some little thing where wildlife art, wildlife photography always
Speaker 1: feels celebratory of the animal, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And I think you can get to that as well.
Speaker 1: I don't want to just talk about this because I
Speaker 1: want to talk aboutther stuff. When you guys just like
Speaker 1: from a technical standpoint, capturing a hunt on film, now
Speaker 1: that we've gotten into like why do guy want to? Right?
Speaker 1: Or should you want to or whatever? What do you
Speaker 1: think like from your guy's perspective, all having had tons
Speaker 1: of experience doing this, Dan, you don't know, produce sixty
Speaker 1: episodes of meter been on, so that many hunts film
Speaker 1: that many hunts are more more actually Um, when you
Speaker 1: guys watch let's just say you're on YouTube and you're
Speaker 1: watching hunt videos the guys have made what's the what
Speaker 1: do you feel is that could be technical content whatever?
Speaker 1: What do you feel is like the thing that guys
Speaker 1: most often do wrong? Or like what are some things
Speaker 1: that you're gonna offer up answer this question anyway? See fit?
Speaker 1: But like what do they do wrong? What could people
Speaker 1: do different? They would improve their stuff everything. It's very
Speaker 1: easy to watch somebody else's content and and critique it right,
Speaker 1: Like you can say I was right to me. For me,
Speaker 1: I like like those moments you're talking about. I like
Speaker 1: the realness of the hunt and like capturing, uh, the
Speaker 1: emotion behind it, and like I caught one of his
Speaker 1: moments when he killed that his very first like big
Speaker 1: bowl on rifle and the emotion. It was twenty seconds
Speaker 1: of you know, of his raw emotion and it made
Speaker 1: the whole film like it made the for the three
Speaker 1: days we filmed. Like, um, I think the biggest thing
Speaker 1: that I see in like YouTube or TV is anything
Speaker 1: that's not real. It's staged and you can see right
Speaker 1: through it. And there's so much content out there just
Speaker 1: staged hunts where they go and kill something and then
Speaker 1: they'll go back and reshoot whatever. Yeah, the responses. Yeah,
Speaker 1: another thing you see a lot of that makes um
Speaker 1: that that it is difficult to watch. It's just the
Speaker 1: standard way of setting it up of be like, Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm here with Bob and we're on Bob's beautiful place
Speaker 1: and we're gonna that's a difficult thing to get around.
Speaker 1: You know, it's difficult. There's an economy, like staging stuff
Speaker 1: is economical. I mean it's like easy and quick. When
Speaker 1: we started out when we used to do like we're
Speaker 1: just particularly doing while then as you'd always do these
Speaker 1: like you have two people have to meet, right, you're
Speaker 1: going to meet someone, but you don't film the meeting
Speaker 1: right because it's chaotic, So later you gotta do like
Speaker 1: so you walk up and shake their hands. And I
Speaker 1: still see that TV now we're like it'll be a
Speaker 1: really like one of those real estate shows and there'll
Speaker 1: be a shot where a guy's walking up to a
Speaker 1: door and there's a shot on the inside of the
Speaker 1: person hearing the knock, and then they opened the door
Speaker 1: and meet, and they don't meet like how people meet.
Speaker 1: You know, they're meeting in the way they meet on TV,
Speaker 1: which isn't how that interaction goes down. We used to
Speaker 1: do those all the time, Yeah, because like, how is
Speaker 1: she gonna get into it? Yeah? The key we realized
Speaker 1: is to get into it with v O and b rolled.
Speaker 1: I hooked up with Doug right dog like doing some
Speaker 1: Doug type activity and just take for granted. People realize
Speaker 1: there must have been that moment when you shook hands
Speaker 1: that we're not when the door opened from the Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they were not seeing and it's like to see it.
Speaker 1: It's like a relief to me to not have those
Speaker 1: anguished so in I always like, if you're doing stuff,
Speaker 1: if something makes you feel so awkward and self conscious,
Speaker 1: try to find another way of doing it, because everyone's
Speaker 1: gonna feel awkward and self conscious. There's probably people out
Speaker 1: there who could knock on the door and do like
Speaker 1: a meat and it just feels great. Dan used to
Speaker 1: be into a fishing show, which one Oh yeah, he
Speaker 1: was good at it. He was amazing. What was that
Speaker 1: calling him? All man? Do you know what I'm talking?
Speaker 1: He's a wrestler. Anybody's seen this. He's a Canadian wrestlers redhead.
Speaker 1: He would extreme fishing and he'd like It was a
Speaker 1: great showman. He was entertaining. He was so easy in
Speaker 1: his own skin though that he could do those because
Speaker 1: he's a professional. I mean he was a performer, you know,
Speaker 1: he was an actor. He was a performer. He knew
Speaker 1: how to do that. But no, I mean he could
Speaker 1: walk into a bar and do like a fake meat
Speaker 1: in the bar and it was fun, Like he hit
Speaker 1: a whole fresh joke. Was it just like his name?
Speaker 1: It was like Billie Damn was the only guy watched it.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought it would have beat the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl for in ratings. It was on It was not
Speaker 1: Discovery or something for a while or Natio. It was
Speaker 1: on Nato. I'm really interested though that dude to carry
Speaker 1: your program. Man, I'll look it up sometimes during this
Speaker 1: and bring it back up. But I want to say that, like,
Speaker 1: I think the two main things people can do, and
Speaker 1: they're huge, and I don't know that people can do
Speaker 1: them easily. But number one has learned how to tell
Speaker 1: a story in a basic sense, and that means that
Speaker 1: there's a beginning, of middle, and end and that it
Speaker 1: shows an arc of what happens. And I don't think
Speaker 1: that hunting videos do that very well. Uh, historically they
Speaker 1: don't do that. And you know, it's been our focus
Speaker 1: since the very beginning, you know, ZPZ. We've had a
Speaker 1: you know, a crack team of storytellers being very very
Speaker 1: specific about how to craft are our stories from beginning
Speaker 1: to middle and end and how they work. And we
Speaker 1: put a lot of time. Now Janice puts, you know,
Speaker 1: weeks into episodes before we go going, before we go
Speaker 1: out there with a plan, and then uh, monitoring that
Speaker 1: story while it's happening, and then and they edit process afterwards.
Speaker 1: It is a massive amount of work, a massive amount
Speaker 1: of people and energy that goes into really defining that
Speaker 1: story and making it entertaining, keep you moving all the
Speaker 1: way through it. And uh, that's huge. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that's probably number one. And the second major thing
Speaker 1: for for making hunting videos better would be too just
Speaker 1: learn the basics of framing, the basics of your gear,
Speaker 1: and the basics of of shooting, um like blocking, so
Speaker 1: you know, a combination knowing how to cut from a
Speaker 1: close up of Casey's face to a wide shot that
Speaker 1: shows what he's doing with the context of where he's going.
Speaker 1: And there's there's a million things to consider, but probably
Speaker 1: the best way to learn it is to be in
Speaker 1: the edit room and actually put something together, because then
Speaker 1: once you go out there, you know what the heck
Speaker 1: you're looking for to start with. Pieces together, you realized
Speaker 1: stuff you wish you had totally and how to shoot that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's specifically know how to shoot that exact thing. You'll
Speaker 1: know what you need. Like Nick Brigden's the creative director ZPC,
Speaker 1: and he gave me a lot of my starting moded.
Speaker 1: But that's what makes his particular magic and everybody talks
Speaker 1: about it because he shoots what he addits, you know,
Speaker 1: and so when he's when he's out on the field
Speaker 1: or if we're in the field of somebody who knows
Speaker 1: how to shoot for the edit, it's all up in
Speaker 1: their head, you know. They just they know what they're
Speaker 1: gonna get. When they get it, they get that feeling
Speaker 1: it's done, and then you just move on and it's
Speaker 1: just like, uh, you know, checking off boxes all the
Speaker 1: I want to speak to the story thing real quick,
Speaker 1: because um, it's hard to even define what story is.
Speaker 1: But one way you might get into a story is
Speaker 1: in the most basic element a story is something changes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like something changes. Um, we
Speaker 1: work like at media, we were with a lot of
Speaker 1: people who a lot of people, the majority people did
Speaker 1: not come out of hunting. They came out of storytelling, right,
Speaker 1: They came out of film writing various things. So they're
Speaker 1: they're their first and foremost love is telling stories. It's
Speaker 1: just this is a variety of story. But that's what
Speaker 1: it is. It wasn't like they love the film hunts,
Speaker 1: but they wanted to learn how to make that in
Speaker 1: the story, so they already got that part down. Another
Speaker 1: thing is I think that what we found is maintaining
Speaker 1: a certain amount of flexibility about what the story is.
Speaker 1: Because Dan alluded to the pre production process for yas
Speaker 1: might spend a much time on like a story. Oftentimes
Speaker 1: you'll be mid stream and realize that it's just not
Speaker 1: there and or something different is going on, and you're
Speaker 1: sort of making these game time decisions, Um, do we
Speaker 1: follow the story? Sometimes the story is hard because, like
Speaker 1: I always make a joke about what's production and what's content.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're in a story that feels very production. You
Speaker 1: know what it feels like the story Like let's say
Speaker 1: you're going on a hunt and all of sudden you
Speaker 1: can't go where you want to go. I'll be like, man,
Speaker 1: this is like a what I would call a production issue.
Speaker 1: This is like in the way of us doing this.
Speaker 1: But you realize that sometimes out of that comes a
Speaker 1: sort of you know, another story or an actual story
Speaker 1: that would be a narrative that you would tell. A
Speaker 1: different example, be like you can't film at night. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you can't sider or it's hard to film at night.
Speaker 1: Let's say you're feeling under your spear fishing underwater at night.
Speaker 1: Let's just say that it would be very difficult to
Speaker 1: light that and do that. That's a production thing, right,
Speaker 1: It's like, it's hard to film at night. So oftentimes
Speaker 1: I find the main thing you're thinking about is you
Speaker 1: get lost in what it requires to make a story
Speaker 1: and you start missing sort of the story that you
Speaker 1: would be experiencing in the absence of filming. No. No,
Speaker 1: it's like that's going to Bolivia to film our shows
Speaker 1: and realizing that it rained for dirty days and then
Speaker 1: you couldn't catch any fish, which is so you have
Speaker 1: this production but it was But you're right, there's this
Speaker 1: interesting moment when you know you deviate from what you
Speaker 1: want the story to be to to having to reckon
Speaker 1: with what's actually happening. And I think hunting is an
Speaker 1: incredible stage to learn storytelling in that dynamic way because
Speaker 1: you can't predict anything. Yeah, you can't to an extent.
Speaker 1: You're always having to shift your your focus at every point.
Speaker 1: I mean, whether it's just the light or the weather,
Speaker 1: or the animals aren't doing whatever. You know, you're sort
Speaker 1: of you're intending for something to happen, and then it's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen most likely, Yeah, it's I think I
Speaker 1: think it would be tough to try to set up
Speaker 1: a story before you actually go out on the hunt.
Speaker 1: I mean, typically you go out, you meet the landowner
Speaker 1: with that really awkward handshake, go hunt, kill an animal,
Speaker 1: buttri it you're done right. But so many times in Honey,
Speaker 1: it just goes wherever it wants to, Like your adventure
Speaker 1: leads you somewhere different. And I don't know, like going
Speaker 1: back to what you're talking about like cutting, editing and video,
Speaker 1: you know, shooting, I don't think you can be a
Speaker 1: good cameraman until you actually start editing that footage and
Speaker 1: then you learn what you made, where you made your mistakes.
Speaker 1: It certain yeah, Like my wife just started. She has
Speaker 1: a big craft show on YouTube, and she just started
Speaker 1: cutting her own videos where and she started shooting her
Speaker 1: own videos and she was craft like making crafts, hair tutorials, recipes,
Speaker 1: mom show basically. Um, but you guys really are deep.
Speaker 1: We are. Yeah, we're drowning in YouTube. But it's it's
Speaker 1: been great. I mean, what's hugely successful. Yeah, it does well,
Speaker 1: and it's allowed us to be with our kids. Like
Speaker 1: before we before this YouTube world, I was like, blue collar,
Speaker 1: does it come? I worked at the steel mills, she
Speaker 1: cut hair, like we were working fifty sixty hours a
Speaker 1: week and now and that this is going back when
Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier. But now we do YouTube
Speaker 1: and it allows us to do everything with our kids.
Speaker 1: And so it's like I tell my kids like sometimes
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to cut the next hushing video at
Speaker 1: seven o'clock at night to get it ready for the
Speaker 1: next day, and they're like, yeah, let's go to this.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm working right now, and you know,
Speaker 1: they get bummed out. I'm like, remember before when I
Speaker 1: worked at the steel mill and I was gone sixty
Speaker 1: hours a week, Like this is like our like this
Speaker 1: is me at the office here for two hours and
Speaker 1: later when they claim when they come to complain about
Speaker 1: what you wouldn't even have been there. Yeah, if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for YouTube. Yeah, so I than gone, yeah, cutting
Speaker 1: my fingers off and burning my own yeah. But um yeah.
Speaker 1: So she's starting to shoot her own videos and stuff
Speaker 1: at home so she doesn't have to fly out to
Speaker 1: l A as much. And she's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if the lightnings right, I don't know if I'm talking.
Speaker 1: I'm like, just shoot something for twenty minutes, shooting for
Speaker 1: like how you want it, and go and cut it
Speaker 1: and then you'll know. So now she loves it. She
Speaker 1: cuts her videos and now she knows how to shoot them,
Speaker 1: and like that's the thing with us, is we shooting
Speaker 1: at it all of our own stuff, and so like beforehand,
Speaker 1: like while I'm shooting him hunting, I'm thinking about how
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cut that video, like, oh, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be here. Oh first rule podcast was off. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much for libration, but yeah that extra vibration. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we I mean, when I'm shooting a video for for YouTube,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about while I'm shooting, like how I'm gonna
Speaker 1: cut it and how I'm gonna tell that story. But
Speaker 1: and you tell the stories pretty efficiently, because you don't.
Speaker 1: We work in a twenty like a half hour show,
Speaker 1: twenty two minutes. We were in a twenty two minute world.
Speaker 1: And now not only that, but we think about it. Um,
Speaker 1: we tend to think about an AX yeah, segment or
Speaker 1: like first act and there's the there they're they're they're
Speaker 1: different lengths. So we we talked about cold open, act one,
Speaker 1: act two x three x four, right, and um, but
Speaker 1: it's a twenty two minute product. You're dealing with something
Speaker 1: like what have you found to be the sweet spot?
Speaker 1: I don't know. We're just talking about this earlier. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny. Some take off and some don't.
Speaker 1: But like, I have a video up there right now
Speaker 1: that's twenty three twenty four minutes, which I would consider
Speaker 1: to be a long YouTube. That's all long YouTube video.
Speaker 1: But it has great retention and almost a quarter of
Speaker 1: a million views right now. So but can you ever,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can. What quarter million views is how
Speaker 1: many people clicked it? How many people have seen it
Speaker 1: all the way through. Um, it's hard to say how
Speaker 1: many people have seen it all the way through, but
Speaker 1: it gives you a retention rating, and that one's so
Speaker 1: that one just keeps the people like certain videos. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like just like any show, you want to keep their
Speaker 1: attention there so they continue to keep watching. And something
Speaker 1: with that video, just the storyline of it and the
Speaker 1: way it just in one sentence synopsis, what is it?
Speaker 1: The hunt? I shot the bull that's named the fire Bowl,
Speaker 1: and it's just kind of gone like internet famous. I guess.
Speaker 1: I don't know, is this a really big bull? But
Speaker 1: the story is so cool and so rare and lucky
Speaker 1: enough I was able to capture it on film, So
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's a lot of anticipation for the
Speaker 1: video to come out because it was floating around social
Speaker 1: media for so long. When the killed this giant that
Speaker 1: I killed this bull? What happened with the fire The
Speaker 1: cool thing about this bull is, you know, Eric is
Speaker 1: a shed hunter, and if you guys know shed hunters
Speaker 1: are crazy people, they will they like, Eric has history
Speaker 1: with this bull. He's watched this bull for years, Like
Speaker 1: he's watched this bull grow up, and he collected its
Speaker 1: horns and stuff. Like Eric wasn't just out to kill
Speaker 1: any walking down the mountain like he went out to
Speaker 1: kill this one specific animal and he did. I documented everything,
Speaker 1: the scouting and everything leading up to it, and the
Speaker 1: fire bull was this, This was the bull I was.
Speaker 1: I wanted to hunt and you had you had hiss
Speaker 1: from over a period some friends of mine had collected
Speaker 1: UM a couple of sets off him, and uh, a
Speaker 1: young kid and his dad had found two sets off
Speaker 1: him as well, So we just knew he was on
Speaker 1: the mountain because give you to give me the antlers
Speaker 1: after you killed it. I do have one set from
Speaker 1: a friend who I had a set off a bull
Speaker 1: he killed, so we I had the set off like
Speaker 1: swap now, and he was super nice about it. His
Speaker 1: name's Jared, and he was, uh, yeah, it was like
Speaker 1: no questions asked. He's like, this is your bull. So
Speaker 1: we traded um. But what was neat or what was
Speaker 1: interesting about the hunt and why that hunt has kind
Speaker 1: of gone viral is I actually shot him twice, but
Speaker 1: twelve days apart. So I shot him the opening week
Speaker 1: and it just with the bow. This is an archery
Speaker 1: hunt and I'm I'm hunting out of a ground blind
Speaker 1: and opening Thursday. So the hunt started on Saturday and
Speaker 1: Opening Thursday. A good friend of mine, Kobe, he came
Speaker 1: to help me with my hunt and I said, well,
Speaker 1: I this bull has been seen right in this meadow.
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of been sitting there and haven't seen
Speaker 1: him yet. So he was kind of getting bummed out
Speaker 1: because he had taken off a lot of work to
Speaker 1: come help me, But he had been wishing that he
Speaker 1: would have waited tell the rut because in Utah we
Speaker 1: get that early season and the bow hunters start to
Speaker 1: get into mid September, which the ruts starts to get going.
Speaker 1: And I just remember telling him like, Hey, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be an awesome hunt. Like there's bulls you know
Speaker 1: in this area. We're gonna hunt the fireball. I mean
Speaker 1: that's what I was doing. I was hunting the fireball.
Speaker 1: So it was the opening Thursday and him and I
Speaker 1: were sitting in the ground blind and this is just
Speaker 1: a ground blind built out of pine needles and tree
Speaker 1: lambs and anything we can build up this, uh like
Speaker 1: makeshift ground blind. And uh, the fireball came out into
Speaker 1: the meadow and I remember my friend he's I was like,
Speaker 1: get the camera ready, the fireballs coming, and he's like
Speaker 1: you're you're lying, you know. He kept saying, you're yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, And I said, get the camera ready, and
Speaker 1: he can just tell by my you know, the way
Speaker 1: I said that that he got the camera ready and
Speaker 1: and sure enough the fireball fed out and I waited
Speaker 1: and it was this is so funny, going back to
Speaker 1: like being in those moments where we're filming and when
Speaker 1: we're not and things we can we should see, and
Speaker 1: just having our minds for me at that moment, like
Speaker 1: you can see in the film, like my heart is
Speaker 1: racing when I first spotted him, but it took him
Speaker 1: a quite a while just to feed up to us
Speaker 1: and to get to where I can like clear all
Speaker 1: the branches and shoot at him. But in that moment,
Speaker 1: like I was not hunting in my mind, Like I
Speaker 1: had the bowl in my hand, and here's this bowl
Speaker 1: that I've been, you know, waiting for all summer to hunt,
Speaker 1: and I've got the tag and I've got my chance,
Speaker 1: and I'm like spaced out, I'm zoned out, and I'm
Speaker 1: not even hunting like my instincts. I was just enjoying
Speaker 1: the visual of like, wow, there he is, Like it
Speaker 1: was the first time I had seen him that year
Speaker 1: with my eyes other than trail camp pictures. So it
Speaker 1: was my friend that was like, dude, right now, shoot
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, like yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: you know. So I had waited for his head to
Speaker 1: be down, I had waited for that French shoulder to
Speaker 1: go forward, and I just put it right where I
Speaker 1: wanted it and let go and we heard the smack
Speaker 1: and the bull round off and my buddy just you
Speaker 1: got him, You nailed him and everything, and we're so happy.
Speaker 1: And the cameraman was like, he's not, he's not, He's
Speaker 1: not he was supposed to be. This guy gets so excited.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy loves to hunt, and him and
Speaker 1: I have had some great experiences on the mountain together
Speaker 1: and he just can't hold it in. Bottom line, he
Speaker 1: gets too excited. So's you got him. So we're excited.
Speaker 1: And we watched replayed the footage and it just uh,
Speaker 1: he kind of jumped the string and I hit hit
Speaker 1: him in the shoulder blade. I mean that you can
Speaker 1: see in the film that the arrow just rides up
Speaker 1: the shoulder instead of going, you know, penetrating in and uh,
Speaker 1: it rained all night and we didn't find him. The
Speaker 1: next day, luckily, a friend did see himbedded in the
Speaker 1: thick timber, and I thought I was going to have
Speaker 1: a second chance right then to go and shoot him,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately he got up and walked off. So the
Speaker 1: crazy thing about the hunt is I sat that blind.
Speaker 1: I kept sitting in that blind, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people doubted me, and a lot of people said I
Speaker 1: was wasting my time. And twelve days later, in the
Speaker 1: same blind, hunting by myself, filming myself with you know,
Speaker 1: just a little hand held camera on a tripod in
Speaker 1: my head camera, he came out twelve days later. Oh
Speaker 1: he looked, Oh, he looks so healthy yet. I mean,
Speaker 1: the first time I shot him, he kind of had
Speaker 1: some velvet hanging off his antlers, and he kind of
Speaker 1: had that a really thin summer coat. This is twelve
Speaker 1: days later, and his antlers are now just polished up,
Speaker 1: really dark timbered antlers, and his cape was just even.
Speaker 1: He was getting more into that rut phase, and he
Speaker 1: just looks so pretty. And he didn't even have a
Speaker 1: limp drilled in the shoulder blade. And twelve days later
Speaker 1: he's just walking as majestic as he was out there.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was crazy. You're causing me to enter
Speaker 1: into that fantasy of all the stuff I ever crippled
Speaker 1: is just fine. Yeah, oh like and that's that. Going
Speaker 1: back to that how we talked about how filming we
Speaker 1: can learn so much and it does some great things,
Speaker 1: Like we learned a lot from this hunt. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people told me he'll never be back.
Speaker 1: He's going nocturnal. Um, he knows that meadow is dangerous now,
Speaker 1: and I just said, look, these animals live in ang
Speaker 1: their habitual I think he's going to be back. So
Speaker 1: I kept sitting that blind and when it finally happened, oh,
Speaker 1: right in the money, Like it was a little bit low,
Speaker 1: but right behind the shoulder and uh, same side, same side.
Speaker 1: When people would ask me, well, what tell me the story,
Speaker 1: I remember Kobe was the first one I called on
Speaker 1: my cell phone to tell him the story. He said, well,
Speaker 1: what happened? I said, well, Kobe, remember how it happened
Speaker 1: when you were there? He says, yeah, I said that's
Speaker 1: what happened. So what do you mean, like, same same area,
Speaker 1: same everything. I was like, yeah, same exact spot, almost
Speaker 1: the same time of night when I hit him. He
Speaker 1: ran in the same exact path out of this meadow,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, you're giving way too much
Speaker 1: away right now, we're supposed to spark their interests. So
Speaker 1: they go and watch the video just right now, just
Speaker 1: say like, and that's when the bowling happened. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: bears and the coyotes met. It's it is a crazy
Speaker 1: story because not only wound an animal and he comes
Speaker 1: back to the exact same spot, like step for step,
Speaker 1: it's a bowl that's supposed to be the smartest creature
Speaker 1: on the planet or in the woods, does the exact
Speaker 1: same thing after Well, you know what, I think. I
Speaker 1: think that bull was thinking there's no way that guy
Speaker 1: is gonna come back because he's not there, Like, but
Speaker 1: what if that dude does come back, Like, why would
Speaker 1: he come back? He shot me there, he thinks I'll
Speaker 1: never come back. Yeah, that's the only place I am
Speaker 1: going to. Yeah, but it was wild. But going back
Speaker 1: to your question, like some of our videos like we
Speaker 1: run five to seven minutes, but videos like that that
Speaker 1: it's hard to tell that story in less than that
Speaker 1: twenty three minutes. Like I have actually been working on
Speaker 1: a an edit to shorten it up for a um.
Speaker 1: The full draw film tour. But it's been hard because
Speaker 1: it's hard to take away from the story, you know,
Speaker 1: all the preparation, the scouting and everything that happened, because
Speaker 1: it's just the way it was edited. Twenty four minutes
Speaker 1: was just the way it was. I didn't think like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I have to edit this at or twenty two or whatever.
Speaker 1: I just edited the way I felt I liked it,
Speaker 1: and then that's what works. Is that on the Hushing
Speaker 1: channel to Yeah, that's on the Hushing channel. So if
Speaker 1: you just search the fire Bowl ELK Hunt, it's the
Speaker 1: beauty two. The beautiful thing about YouTube were so free
Speaker 1: to do, you know. I remember being on the New
Speaker 1: Mexico Hunt. You remember camping out and you're asking me
Speaker 1: how long The day after I show me how long
Speaker 1: we're going to make the film, and I was like
Speaker 1: trying to make it under ten? What was it? What
Speaker 1: did end up being eight? Fine? I mean nine minutes
Speaker 1: told the story and I didn't need to put anything
Speaker 1: else in there, you know, so go ahead. I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say that. I kind of like the time constraints.
Speaker 1: I like sort of it makes you creatively dig for
Speaker 1: things when when you need to dig for things It
Speaker 1: also makes you not be precious about a lot of
Speaker 1: things too. Cutting down is a really cool process, and
Speaker 1: like the collaborator nature working with editors and when you
Speaker 1: guys do your own stuff, but we have it, you know,
Speaker 1: we're working in teams and sort of having a bunch
Speaker 1: of people craft this stuff. And you know, being precious
Speaker 1: about stuff is for me, could be an issue if
Speaker 1: I didn't have other people just to like the thing
Speaker 1: that like I went to a writing school, you know, um,
Speaker 1: and the thing that writers just pound and pound and
Speaker 1: pound in you, and like every writer says, it's like
Speaker 1: you gotta kill your babies. You gotta kill your babies,
Speaker 1: you know, um, meaning don't let like these moments that
Speaker 1: you that you think are so greater, these things that
Speaker 1: you're you that are so precious to you, like getting
Speaker 1: the way of the greater good, you know. I remember,
Speaker 1: like when I wrote my Buffalo book, Um, I wrote
Speaker 1: it one d pages too long, you know, And I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, man, I like fought over every word right
Speaker 1: and I got it all done. It was just ridiculously long.
Speaker 1: I went through an acts a hundred pages out of there, painful.
Speaker 1: But now I'm like, I can't believe i' had that
Speaker 1: garbage in area like later when you look at it's
Speaker 1: like like I would take a whole chapter to just
Speaker 1: grab a paragraph out of it, you know, but you
Speaker 1: go like, well no, because I have like it's special
Speaker 1: because I did it. Yeah, that's what it is. What
Speaker 1: you get into your head like its special because I
Speaker 1: did it, and and and I already got my time
Speaker 1: r now, so now it's out there. And I think
Speaker 1: that like having that discipline to go shorter we used
Speaker 1: to get like we still get inquiries but be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you guys should be an hour long, and I just
Speaker 1: think like, oh yeah, it should be an hour long,
Speaker 1: like me long show. Now I'm like I kind of
Speaker 1: over time. I've just sort of like, I like twenty
Speaker 1: two minutes because I feel like in twenty two minutes
Speaker 1: you can when it's right, it could be just so
Speaker 1: tight and fast. I watched the show without the ads though, right,
Speaker 1: so I watched like the way it's meant to be,
Speaker 1: and I sometimes remind myself, oh yeah, but it's broken
Speaker 1: up my hands. But it's somehow science so fast and
Speaker 1: has such a roller coaster quality to it. That's the best.
Speaker 1: I said. It's like it's just like wham and people
Speaker 1: be like, dude, I could watch that for an hour.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm that makes me glad it was twenty
Speaker 1: two minutes. I think a good way to gauge it
Speaker 1: is if you watch it like a twenty two minute
Speaker 1: video on YouTube. Does it feel like it's twenty two minutes?
Speaker 1: Did you at the end of the video or you're like, well,
Speaker 1: that was twenty two minutes. Were you like at the time,
Speaker 1: you like, I mean TV, you guys are under restraint.
Speaker 1: For you guys are twenty two minutes every episode, right, Like,
Speaker 1: how much after you guys go out and film and
Speaker 1: you guys turn the media into the editors, how much
Speaker 1: do you sit down with the editors dan and and
Speaker 1: go through with him and try to tell the story
Speaker 1: or so, yeah, the whole process. I think that would
Speaker 1: be interesting. So in the current form, so you honest
Speaker 1: is the producer. So he will create, he will run
Speaker 1: the pre production, he will plan things. He will create
Speaker 1: a document called the treatment, which is the hope or
Speaker 1: plan for the story to happen in the field. He'll
Speaker 1: be there and will be in charge of capturing the
Speaker 1: story both on camera and then in his head. And
Speaker 1: in notes too later going to the post production process.
Speaker 1: So that's um, yeah, but post producing the episode would
Speaker 1: be working hand in hand with the editor every step
Speaker 1: of the way. So basically we turn in a what
Speaker 1: we call producer notes, which is so the treatments a
Speaker 1: document at the beginning, and then after the shoot the
Speaker 1: documents called the producer notes basically is an act by
Speaker 1: act breakdown with possible vo already written, with really just
Speaker 1: a script or writing out the show. But that changes
Speaker 1: a lot, and it rarely is you know, actually the
Speaker 1: product because how many hours are you deal with? How
Speaker 1: many hours afore it's you know what people askid I
Speaker 1: don't even know it? And it depends. I mean, we
Speaker 1: shoot up to how many hours are on one ratio
Speaker 1: and oftentimes documentary style filming, which is what we do
Speaker 1: and which by the most hunters do you know when
Speaker 1: they're shooting their hunts, is you can get upwards of
Speaker 1: like fifty to sixty two one ratio. You can shoot
Speaker 1: almost an hour for one minute. Man, I'd say we
Speaker 1: should especially have multiple cameras going, which we often do.
Speaker 1: It's a lot more. I'd say it's a higher ratio
Speaker 1: than that, even especially counted Timelafs. I mean we come back,
Speaker 1: what say, eight full cards at a hundred twenty minutes each,
Speaker 1: and if you have two shooters, double that. You know
Speaker 1: you're talking about thousands of minutes of footage, maybe between
Speaker 1: one and three thousand minutes of footage. Um, so at
Speaker 1: that point could go up to a hundred of one. Sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but so and we have, you know, editors that we
Speaker 1: have been working with for a long time, and there's
Speaker 1: there's a couple of editors that specifically, Um, you can
Speaker 1: be a little less hands on, but you know, I
Speaker 1: Post I produced, in Post produced probably I don't know,
Speaker 1: fifty episodes of mediat And it just depends on who
Speaker 1: you were working with, whether or not you had to
Speaker 1: be really really directed. Yeah, you can editor to cut
Speaker 1: a few and they kind of know how you guys
Speaker 1: like them. I can just say being on that. You know,
Speaker 1: we were in the same camp a few years ago
Speaker 1: in New Mexico. I was blown away at the at
Speaker 1: the work you guys put in to capture an episode,
Speaker 1: like there was what they were? You were there did
Speaker 1: he was thearn. You guys had two other cameramen right,
Speaker 1: one assistant audio guy who's up there with this. Peter
Speaker 1: was out there with this. But there's four guys and
Speaker 1: then Steve and you guys were packing the long lens
Speaker 1: the DSLRs, and you guys packed back in for what
Speaker 1: a couple of nights there we carey a bunch of
Speaker 1: John Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine the excess amount
Speaker 1: of batteries you pack in on a hunt like that.
Speaker 1: And then SD cards and wild batteries are the limiting
Speaker 1: factor oftentimes, and and we'll have to either pack back
Speaker 1: to to recharge batteries or bring a that that becomes
Speaker 1: a limiting factor both for weight. Well, actually for a
Speaker 1: while we only had some manner batteries. Now we have
Speaker 1: like hundred and fifty of those big batteries now, so
Speaker 1: they each one pound. That's wild. It was wild to
Speaker 1: see though, Like you guys put a lot of time
Speaker 1: and effort into capturing. We finish out how it goes.
Speaker 1: So you didn't get it to the end though, though
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break. Yeah, So finish out though,
Speaker 1: because you didn't get to the end of it gets made, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So while the editor, the editor cuts it, and he
Speaker 1: cuts what we call a rough cut, which is about
Speaker 1: to time, so you know, maybe it's within a minute
Speaker 1: of the ending end running time hopefully, And then he
Speaker 1: sends we do around notes, so Steve gets it, I
Speaker 1: get it, yeah, and gets it. Um. Usually that's just
Speaker 1: about it, maybe one other person, and then we do
Speaker 1: around a very very specific critical notes on that cut
Speaker 1: goes back to the editor. There's a couple more days
Speaker 1: to get out of fine cut. We do the same
Speaker 1: process and other round of notes goes back to the editor.
Speaker 1: He works those notes out, and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: conversation always goes on in between that. Finally we get
Speaker 1: to what we call prelock cut, and we all kind
Speaker 1: of sign off on it. Record and sorry, there's other
Speaker 1: stuff in they're recording v O getting all that cut
Speaker 1: in doing rewrites for v O UM. But then finally,
Speaker 1: after you know, three to four week edit process and
Speaker 1: and a whole process, it's a heck of a lot
Speaker 1: longer than that than we have a so we finally
Speaker 1: finally craft these shows. You know, there's a there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people with a lot of brains and creativity
Speaker 1: working their butts off too to make these things the
Speaker 1: way they are. In the end, it feels natural. It
Speaker 1: does the product like you wouldn't guess. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: if you had to sit and watch those hundreds of
Speaker 1: hours of footage would be mind boggling. I can't even
Speaker 1: imagine trying to scrub through all that video. What what
Speaker 1: you guys, shoot race, you're doing YouTube video? When you
Speaker 1: say like fifty one, like we might get like fifty
Speaker 1: fifty minutes for every video. I don't know, Like I
Speaker 1: would say a couple of hours, a couple hours of
Speaker 1: of of like yeah, different point of views, go pro angles.
Speaker 1: But I bet like that New Mexico Hunt for example,
Speaker 1: I think it's eight nine minutes long. I bet I
Speaker 1: you cut through like three hours of footage and I'm
Speaker 1: like by the time I'm done, I'm just like, all right,
Speaker 1: just put it up, Like I'm so tired of watch
Speaker 1: myself talk and walk around the hills. But do you
Speaker 1: guys have any interest in the TV length type thing?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's something to interest you or you're you're
Speaker 1: just your YouTube all the way. I'm a YouTuber YouTuber,
Speaker 1: Like you have to get a new business cards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't have business cards. I'm a YouTuber YouTuber have
Speaker 1: business cards? No. I I love the platform of YouTube.
Speaker 1: I love the possibilities on YouTube, and uh, that's just
Speaker 1: I mean every day Monday through Friday, one billion people
Speaker 1: log into that that that website, And so I mean
Speaker 1: it's just been cool. And I don't I don't really
Speaker 1: see see ourselves doing anything different. I love the freedom
Speaker 1: we have to do whatever we want, upload videos when
Speaker 1: we want. Um makes seven minute videos for twenty three
Speaker 1: minute videos like, So we're happy doing what we do.
Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, what do you think. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: committed to YouTube. I've done a lot of research, and
Speaker 1: I've been so intrigued by the platform for the last
Speaker 1: three or four years that I just feel like it's
Speaker 1: a good opportunity for me if it's what I want
Speaker 1: to do really well and what I enjoyed doing really well.
Speaker 1: The same conversation would happen about cassettes and CDs. You know,
Speaker 1: one day they're going to be talking about TV shows
Speaker 1: in the same way, Like remember when TV shows I
Speaker 1: didn't want to like trouble with you guys, But I yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. We spent a ton of time talking
Speaker 1: about digital. Let's talk about what's what's happened? Yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't TV will ever be obsolete. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, like I would love to know
Speaker 1: the ratio of Americans, like people in America that have
Speaker 1: TV and have the Internet, and who has both, because
Speaker 1: I know I haven't had TV in five years. Like
Speaker 1: I can consume all my entertainment from Tina Neet and
Speaker 1: everyone has the Internet now everyone has access to the
Speaker 1: internet basically an iPhone, tablet, watch whatever. Well, we know
Speaker 1: for a fact that meat eater fans or meat eater
Speaker 1: watchers over are not watching it on the channel at
Speaker 1: the time edit airs, They're they're watching it through other means.
Speaker 1: We did, Yeah, we talked about tapes and c d
Speaker 1: s earlier. It's like, right at the time that that
Speaker 1: guy did that persuasion speech in communication one on one. Okay,
Speaker 1: an album that was out at that time was Counting
Speaker 1: Crows August and everything after. Now the guy that the
Speaker 1: you know, whoever that guy is in that band, I
Speaker 1: don't think he was sitting around being like, but are
Speaker 1: they gonna listen to it on CD or cassette. It's
Speaker 1: like at a point it's like, if you have confidence
Speaker 1: in what you're making, you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't spend too much time thinking about it being this
Speaker 1: show or that show. You know, like I'll spend the
Speaker 1: time I'm thinking about how people are going to consume it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to get caught in a
Speaker 1: weird thing where we haven't thought our stuff out. But
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, the basic format, the premise,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I know we'll find homes yeah
Speaker 1: for the stuff. I agree. I feel like if you're
Speaker 1: making I mean, content is king right. That's the old saying,
Speaker 1: like you make good content, it can live anywhere. Um,
Speaker 1: I feel like you guys could transform what you do
Speaker 1: now you're twenty two minutes onto two wherever, whatever digital
Speaker 1: platformat would do great. But you're you don't have to
Speaker 1: think about that right now. Just make good content. I
Speaker 1: get a little jealous of those TV shows on HBO
Speaker 1: or Netflix that like you get once twenty two minutes
Speaker 1: maybe good episodes to six. You kind of have that.
Speaker 1: That's that's pretty cool. You know what, here's one thing
Speaker 1: I want to do. How long we've been, how long
Speaker 1: we've been talking about There's one thing I want to do,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do the first one. Um,
Speaker 1: because people have such an interest in recording, capturing, hunts,
Speaker 1: fishing out of doors, whatever. I want to just go
Speaker 1: around the room for a while and very quickly say things.
Speaker 1: You give your findings, Okay, things you think. Um. One
Speaker 1: thing that I've found that that's become a personal thing
Speaker 1: for me is I really like and we go to
Speaker 1: great ends to establish hunting big game, okay, or any
Speaker 1: kind of hunting, to contextualize visually the hunter with the quarry.
Speaker 1: Because I'll point out right now I'm watching it's been
Speaker 1: out for Whi've been watching Planet Earth right, and Planet
Speaker 1: Earth you know, like tells the stories about Earth, but
Speaker 1: they tied in with the real bread and butter of
Speaker 1: that as predator prey interactions. Right, It's like they just punctuated. Well,
Speaker 1: they don't go four minutes about showing something eat something.
Speaker 1: Oftentimes they got great footage, right a snow leopard grabs
Speaker 1: the mark or and the mark or gets away. All
Speaker 1: the times they don't. So they'll show like Ethiopian wolf walking,
Speaker 1: then they'll show a baboon looking nervous. Then they'll show
Speaker 1: the wolf, and they'll show the baboon, and they'll show
Speaker 1: the wolf, and they'll show the baboon and the baboon
Speaker 1: runs away and you go, you know what, never saw
Speaker 1: the damn babboon and the wolf in the same shot,
Speaker 1: And it's like like a weird kind of fuckery going on,
Speaker 1: you know, And I hate that kind of thing to
Speaker 1: where I always feel like when we have a seque,
Speaker 1: it's where you've got like long lens foote, your footage
Speaker 1: of an ant one guy is filming an animal, a
Speaker 1: turkey coming in, and one guy is filming you, and
Speaker 1: later you're like bouncing like turkey, you, Turkey you. I
Speaker 1: always feel like the viewer's mind is open to the
Speaker 1: facts chains being jerked, and I breathed such a sigh
Speaker 1: of relief when there's that shot where there's like you
Speaker 1: or the hunter and the thing to get brought together.
Speaker 1: It's like the technical term is tying it in, Like
Speaker 1: a shot that ties it together, solidifies, it solidifies that
Speaker 1: action because when that happens that back and forth, everyone thinks,
Speaker 1: is this rail is just really going on? And it
Speaker 1: just solidifies that when it shows like an over the
Speaker 1: shoulder shot of you with your gun and there's the
Speaker 1: turkey and the the guy that like gave me eater,
Speaker 1: its visual look to to a huge degree is a
Speaker 1: guy named Mo found who shot Men the first ones
Speaker 1: and Mo, I don't know if you ever articulated it
Speaker 1: this way or not, but Mo had this sort of
Speaker 1: idea that was like that the viewer is your buddy.
Speaker 1: You'r the viewers your buddy with you, you know, and
Speaker 1: and if you watch the show, you like you start
Speaker 1: to kind of feel that where like the camera is
Speaker 1: often right where if you were with your buddy and
Speaker 1: your buddies hunting. It's like the cameras where you'd be
Speaker 1: where you'd want to be to be a participant in this.
Speaker 1: And that's sort of like over the shoulder shot when
Speaker 1: all of a sudden something comes into view and you
Speaker 1: got the person, and your person could be just blurry right.
Speaker 1: It's completely like out of the depth field, but it
Speaker 1: just feels so good. I remember that first season it
Speaker 1: was substantiated. I think, you know, we maybe after the
Speaker 1: second episode or something, we gotta Facebook comment that said,
Speaker 1: you know, I can't believe how you shot this and
Speaker 1: felt like I was right there with you, and that
Speaker 1: was you know, that is the point. It's those moments.
Speaker 1: It's like those moments where everything comes together in a
Speaker 1: way and we've even finding. Sometimes you're talking about something
Speaker 1: so far away. So we do a lot like open
Speaker 1: country hunting and your glass and stuff. We'll just go
Speaker 1: do an overshot. You know, someone will get back. I'll
Speaker 1: be talking about something I'm pointing and they just kind
Speaker 1: of zoom over. You're never in a million years gonna
Speaker 1: pick it up, but you zoom over and you start
Speaker 1: to make out the landscape and then you can go
Speaker 1: to that tighter shot that shows it. But you do
Speaker 1: feel like you've been delivered to that point. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have this like arbitrary feel to it that makes it
Speaker 1: feel like TV, you know, because oftentimes when I'm watching stuff,
Speaker 1: I don't like to have any moment where I'm pulled
Speaker 1: out to question what's going on. And like, like I
Speaker 1: thought about watching the Planet Earth series. They show these
Speaker 1: they're showing like these polar bears making their first emergence,
Speaker 1: but the snow is covered in tracks like they've clearly
Speaker 1: been out a whole bunch of times. They keep going
Speaker 1: back in the den their first emergence. It's like we's
Speaker 1: tracks throw over the place, like the entrance of the hold.
Speaker 1: I'll mud it up, you know, I'm like, why tell
Speaker 1: me that because now I'm sadden, you're thinking about why
Speaker 1: you said that when it's not the way it is.
Speaker 1: So just have it be that he's coming up is
Speaker 1: then and I'll enjoy it. I won't be like distracted,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I'm always like when I'm watching
Speaker 1: our stuff, I'm always like, what are the things that's
Speaker 1: gonna catch someone and pull him out of the reality
Speaker 1: I want him to experience and make him enter into
Speaker 1: the reality of his head as a skeptical viewer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. Another example of that, to take it even
Speaker 1: further is like if you are cooking a piece of
Speaker 1: meat over a fire, there's something magical and beautiful about
Speaker 1: a shot that actually without cutting away pans from that
Speaker 1: piece of meat up to your face. Rather than having
Speaker 1: two shots where you just have a shot of that
Speaker 1: meat on the fire, you have a shot of the face.
Speaker 1: Like that's fine, that's great TV. That's you know, you
Speaker 1: can do that well. But there's something specific about that
Speaker 1: uninterrupted either having both objects in the frame and exactly
Speaker 1: the same time, or being able to swing and move
Speaker 1: without actually cutting the shot. There's it's something seamless and
Speaker 1: um important that happens in being a place gives it
Speaker 1: more realness. Like its exactly like with a kill shot, right,
Speaker 1: like you know, like you can either do that over
Speaker 1: the shoulder kill shot where you're in the frame, the
Speaker 1: animals in the frame focused, your shoulder might be out
Speaker 1: of focus. And I remember, like you guys first season
Speaker 1: there was a lot of that. I love that shot.
Speaker 1: But like if you are zoomed in on the animal
Speaker 1: after the kill shot and then that swing to the yeah,
Speaker 1: just gives it that realness, you know. So we'll deal
Speaker 1: it like dealing cards. So that makes Dan's up. They
Speaker 1: are just finding just one tip, just like a thing,
Speaker 1: man like, like like like an example of what I'd
Speaker 1: escaped for for people who want to like people, um,
Speaker 1: people who want to capture their stuff, because so many
Speaker 1: people now want to capture their stuff. Man. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: I go out fishing, even when fishing on Lake Washington,
Speaker 1: the guy out there fishing without without all right, So
Speaker 1: I'll say very basic one that's that's not very sexy
Speaker 1: but super important is just learn what the heck you're
Speaker 1: doing with your equipment. No how practice enough, read enough,
Speaker 1: have somebody show you how to use your camera and
Speaker 1: you actually use it and audio. Actually let me make
Speaker 1: that my point. If you have crappy audio and it's
Speaker 1: it's not like your quality will never rise. I mean
Speaker 1: you still might have a successful video I don't know.
Speaker 1: But have an actual microphone mike deup, know how to
Speaker 1: manage it, have good levels so people can hear what
Speaker 1: you're doing, and uh learn how to make a shot
Speaker 1: with cameras, and and learn how to be steady. Don't
Speaker 1: don't be wobbly, I don't just practice. Can you do
Speaker 1: audio without getting into like audio equipment? Do you mean
Speaker 1: just give I mean, yeah, a lot of cameras have
Speaker 1: onboard um mikes that that may be okay in most situations,
Speaker 1: but you get in some wind, or you get in
Speaker 1: in some other type of scenario and it's no longer
Speaker 1: going to be good. Get a cheap lava mike. Get
Speaker 1: a cheap mike to put on your on your shirt.
Speaker 1: Lava mics now the road makes them, and you can
Speaker 1: download the app that you can plug it directly into
Speaker 1: your phone and it gets great audio and it's not
Speaker 1: a lot of money. It's like honor bucks for the
Speaker 1: law and a zoom recorder. Just spend a little time
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, learn what you're doing with your stuff.
Speaker 1: I had to learn that all myself. Like I started
Speaker 1: shooting before I knew how to operate a camera, and
Speaker 1: it was tough, you know. But my finding and we
Speaker 1: get told, I mean, we could ask a lot about
Speaker 1: how we got into filming and stuff. And I feel
Speaker 1: like now we're talking to not people that are trying
Speaker 1: to create TV shows necessarily people were trying to capture
Speaker 1: the capture stuff. My my finding is just do it.
Speaker 1: I mean, the way. And this was going back to
Speaker 1: like me talking about cutting from VCR to VCR with
Speaker 1: that big giant VHS when I was trying to record
Speaker 1: me snowboarding is technology is crazy, man. There's some great
Speaker 1: cameras out there that somebody can pick up for three
Speaker 1: four bucks and you can record some amazing stuff. And
Speaker 1: I think for most beginners is they think they have
Speaker 1: to have all the nicest equipment and they have to
Speaker 1: go through film school. I don't know, It's just get
Speaker 1: a good camera and go out and capture moments, because
Speaker 1: that's what it's all about, is you're trying to relive
Speaker 1: those moments one day. You know, if you're not trying
Speaker 1: to put out a TV show or YouTube channel, you
Speaker 1: just want to capture your your hunts. Just do it
Speaker 1: and figure it out. Go out and shoot wildlife, and
Speaker 1: shoot your buddies shooting it, deer and shoot, try to
Speaker 1: film yourself and just learn and do it. Because even
Speaker 1: after we started hunting, sometimes and I'm sure you get
Speaker 1: this way, sometimes we're on a hunt for ten days
Speaker 1: and it's like, all right, leave the camera at home.
Speaker 1: I don't care if we get the kill shot. I
Speaker 1: want to end this thing. And then I've done it
Speaker 1: a few times, I'm ountain shot something and I thought,
Speaker 1: how stupid was that for me not to have the
Speaker 1: camera going. It's easy to set up a camera, it's
Speaker 1: easy to have your buddy hold a camera. It might
Speaker 1: not be the most professional footage, but it's a memory
Speaker 1: that you can relive, and it goes back to like
Speaker 1: talking about, uh, you know, exploiting animals. One of the
Speaker 1: coolest things I think about hunting is seeing old school
Speaker 1: pictures from like my grandpa's time and my great grandpa's
Speaker 1: time and going through those and seeing what hunting was
Speaker 1: like back then. You know, they everyone had a twenty bock,
Speaker 1: you know, in the back of the truck. But it's
Speaker 1: so cool to relive that through these pictures, and I
Speaker 1: feel that way with what we're filming. One day, my
Speaker 1: great great grandkids are gonna go be able to go
Speaker 1: and watch My adventures on if it's YouTuber wherever. But
Speaker 1: it's just capturing those moments one time. Yeah, so I my, my, my.
Speaker 1: I would just say, if you want to just go
Speaker 1: out and capture, you know, some footage of you hunting,
Speaker 1: just do it. Get a good camera. You can use
Speaker 1: your damn phone almost like the phone to take amazing footage,
Speaker 1: but go out and buy you a four camera and
Speaker 1: just start doing it. I gotta get started something. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna say, is just get out
Speaker 1: there and get art it. So I have to think
Speaker 1: of something else. Um. But one of the things that
Speaker 1: come to me when a lot of people approached me
Speaker 1: and say, hey, I got this awesome you know hunt
Speaker 1: on film. Do you want to use it for your
Speaker 1: next project, your next DVD, YouTube, whatever it is. And
Speaker 1: sometimes I've been like, yeah, like cool, let's let's check
Speaker 1: it out. And yeah, I got the kill shot and
Speaker 1: that's it. I'm like, this is a great kill shot,
Speaker 1: and and the kill shot can be very important in
Speaker 1: the hunting film or hunting TV show or something that
Speaker 1: we do on YouTube. But there it is. It is,
Speaker 1: It is that sliver of you know, that second or
Speaker 1: two seconds, and that's it. The rest of the hunt
Speaker 1: and the story is like you said earlier, is that
Speaker 1: fifty hours of b roll footage and all the other
Speaker 1: cool stuff. So my advice would be to film everything, Like,
Speaker 1: pack a lot of memory cards. The worst thing is
Speaker 1: running out of memory cards when you're out there and
Speaker 1: you're trying to delete all your other things so you
Speaker 1: can film the next thing. Yeah, you're doing having your
Speaker 1: last one on accident, film the next one. So yeah,
Speaker 1: be prepared with memory cards, um, and just film a
Speaker 1: lot of cool stuff and and think outside the box.
Speaker 1: Think what's a cool point of view? Can I stand
Speaker 1: behind this tree or get these you know, these flowers
Speaker 1: in the shot and just trying to different things in experiment.
Speaker 1: And then when you get into the room to cut it,
Speaker 1: I find that it's the most random clips that I'm like,
Speaker 1: that is so cool, Like the sun just hit just
Speaker 1: right on this one clip, and I didn't think it
Speaker 1: was that cool because I was filming was your feet.
Speaker 1: So just film a lot of be real stuff because
Speaker 1: when it comes to editing a story, you can't You
Speaker 1: can't add a hunt with just a kill shot. So
Speaker 1: get a lot of other b real footage and you
Speaker 1: have a lot more to work with. I think I
Speaker 1: think the things weird because I think that some people
Speaker 1: kind of tend to fetishize the kill shot in that
Speaker 1: if we're talking about like if you want to capture
Speaker 1: the reality but hunt, you're trying in some way capture
Speaker 1: the experience of it. When you're hunting, the kill shot
Speaker 1: is like you don't even really log it in your
Speaker 1: own mind. I mean, it's just like a damn, it's done,
Speaker 1: it's gone, or you don't even know what happened. I
Speaker 1: oftentimes want to look at the footage to find out
Speaker 1: what the hell I just saw happen. And so I've
Speaker 1: tend to be like I tend not to react, like
Speaker 1: I try not to one. I try not to take
Speaker 1: in a lot of media that is just like what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make, because I'm always afraid of what
Speaker 1: my influences will be, or that I'll wind up responding
Speaker 1: not from an honest place. I won't like create ideas
Speaker 1: or perspectives from an honest place, but it will always
Speaker 1: be like I'll be reacting to whatever happened to me
Speaker 1: last or whatever I saw last, So going against that.
Speaker 1: I have noticed this like kill shot thing right steady,
Speaker 1: like playing it again and again and again, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's just to me as in some ways felt
Speaker 1: a little bit ugly and so in a way that
Speaker 1: I have reacted to what I saw in him way,
Speaker 1: maybe it's just to go against and not make such
Speaker 1: a big deal out of that. I kind of like
Speaker 1: it when we don't even have it, or you don't
Speaker 1: even know what happened, Like you just see something that
Speaker 1: happened and it's like, that's like what it seems like. Though, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's one of those moments in life that
Speaker 1: happens so fast that it's kind of a blur. You
Speaker 1: may be like I feel like I saw a puff
Speaker 1: of hair, but I could be wrong. I swear I
Speaker 1: saw a puff of hair, or I don't know. It
Speaker 1: seemed to do this when I shot and you're trying
Speaker 1: to replay the figure of if you had a good
Speaker 1: hit or not, you know, and you realize the minute
Speaker 1: you get uh to me you hit something and that
Speaker 1: runs off. You realize how frail your recollection of what
Speaker 1: just happened is because you often can't put it together.
Speaker 1: You're like, I feel this, I feel that, you know,
Speaker 1: or you might get lucky and you noticed it, like
Speaker 1: the belly lifted, the back arched up right, and that
Speaker 1: probably logged in your head just from past experiences that
Speaker 1: when you see that, you know it's dead or he
Speaker 1: slouches the wrong way, and for past experiences like that
Speaker 1: didn't look good. You don't, you know, so that might
Speaker 1: stick in your head because it triggered some memory. But
Speaker 1: often you have no idea, and so I like stuff
Speaker 1: that usn't just sort of like glorify this, this blood
Speaker 1: splattered moment, not out of any deference to people's sensitivities,
Speaker 1: but just because I feel like that's what it is.
Speaker 1: That's what it's like. I agree in going back to
Speaker 1: like talking about you know, being you know, the hr
Speaker 1: for for hunting and showing people that you know, are
Speaker 1: outside of of what we do looking in is it
Speaker 1: is it's such a small just a sliver of the
Speaker 1: experience and the story, right, Like that's not the ending, right,
Speaker 1: I still think it's important. One thing I always want
Speaker 1: to see we're out in the field, everybody does we
Speaker 1: all want to see it. It is important, but like
Speaker 1: like Steve is saying, like you watch some of these
Speaker 1: shows and they glorify it so much, like they play
Speaker 1: it like they hang their hat on it ten times,
Speaker 1: slow motion reverse upside down. It's like, Okay, I got
Speaker 1: that you killed that animal, and it's cool. Like as hunters,
Speaker 1: we know how hard you have to work to get
Speaker 1: to that point to pull the trigger. And so that's
Speaker 1: kind of like the the I did it, you know,
Speaker 1: But I agree, like in my eyes, like I hate
Speaker 1: seeing stuff over like overplayed, and that's to kill a shot,
Speaker 1: like yeah, put it in there, you need it. It's
Speaker 1: like kind of like the button. Almost. I was at
Speaker 1: an awards. I was at an awards ceremony one time,
Speaker 1: Like I said, what it was, but I was at
Speaker 1: an awards ceremony and they had a what most of
Speaker 1: the band it felt like ten minutes. Maybe it wasn't
Speaker 1: ten minutes a kill shot, real, dude, it just got
Speaker 1: to be a bit much. But like I said, me
Speaker 1: not wanting me not wanting to fetishize kill shots isn't
Speaker 1: out of sensitivit or difference. Because I used to say,
Speaker 1: if you look at like old guidelines for outdoor TV.
Speaker 1: It would be like, oh, you can't, She'll look, she'll
Speaker 1: the kill shot more than seven times in a row,
Speaker 1: really know, And in the next sentence, no bloody hands,
Speaker 1: no raw meat. Really you couldn't have raw flesh, right,
Speaker 1: It was a guideline. It was a guy like show
Speaker 1: a kill shot seven times, not more and sometimes but
Speaker 1: you cannot have a host have blood on his hands.
Speaker 1: So like our shows like an Avatar, I mean our
Speaker 1: shows like a like a like a butcher show sometimes
Speaker 1: like sometimes we'll have five minutes of butchering. So it's
Speaker 1: not like that. I'm sort of it's something I'm going like,
Speaker 1: oh no, I don't want to show anything unsanitary here.
Speaker 1: It's just a personal thing to me that I just
Speaker 1: think it's not it's just not that cool. And there's
Speaker 1: also like, sure, there's people that want to see it.
Speaker 1: But if I was in a business to just give
Speaker 1: viewers what I thought they wanted, I'd be like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I would have gone into making like, uh,
Speaker 1: lucky charms, breakfast cereal, you know. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: I'm not here to like make lucky charms, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? It's like, sure, kids want seal
Speaker 1: lots of sugar. Let's just put more sugar in there
Speaker 1: and see if they like it better. It's like and somebody,
Speaker 1: I'm like, sure, you probably want to see a bunch
Speaker 1: of kill shot stuff. You're not gonna find it here.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm sorry, you know, I'm not gonna like
Speaker 1: bow to your base in things. And in some way,
Speaker 1: but again there's a level of hypocrisy because when we're out,
Speaker 1: that's the only thing I ever make the guys play
Speaker 1: for me, that's the only thing you want to want
Speaker 1: to see. I'm like, what do you replay it? Seven times?
Speaker 1: Not especially We're sitting there doing the old forty minute
Speaker 1: wait for track something and I'm like, dying, let me
Speaker 1: see again, let me see again, let me see the again.
Speaker 1: Then we analyze, well, what happened? As a hunter, I
Speaker 1: I do the same thing because there's something that happens
Speaker 1: when you take a shot at an animal, and it's like,
Speaker 1: almost instantly, unless that animal just takes a nose dive,
Speaker 1: almost instantly, you start second guessing yourself, You start doubting yourself,
Speaker 1: you start thinking of everything bad that could have possibly
Speaker 1: just happened. Too. So when you rewatch it because we
Speaker 1: do the same thing. I'm like, did I hit him?
Speaker 1: Where to hit him? Where where was it at? And
Speaker 1: did I miss something in there? And so it like
Speaker 1: gives you that reassurance I did make a good shot
Speaker 1: or you didn't. You know, have you ever own a
Speaker 1: doll sheet? No? So it's all the stuff, like what's
Speaker 1: the legal ram? Yeah, you know, you shoot a ram
Speaker 1: that like most Alaska. You can shoot a ram that's
Speaker 1: eight years old, which you determined by growth rings, which
Speaker 1: you're very hard to see. You can shoot it RM
Speaker 1: it's a double broom which means he's broken off his
Speaker 1: lamb tips on each side, which is sometimes very obvious,
Speaker 1: sometimes like not at all obvious. Or you can shoot
Speaker 1: ram it's full curl mean degree, it's horn, which is
Speaker 1: sometimes very obvious, sometimes not obvious. You shoot a ram
Speaker 1: and he falls down. It is the worst moments of
Speaker 1: your life, the time it takes to walk over to
Speaker 1: that ram or moose with the tip tip, the worst
Speaker 1: minutes of life. With a camera rolling, it's even worse
Speaker 1: because you might entertain the idea of everyone just keep
Speaker 1: him quiet with a camera and stuff. It's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's at the end of the trail, because it's weird
Speaker 1: you do. That's I don't know if it's human nature
Speaker 1: or what, but like before you pull the trigger, you
Speaker 1: were you're enough to shoot? Yeah, you were sure enough
Speaker 1: to shoot. But as soon as you do, it's like, alright,
Speaker 1: was that legal? Was that really what I thought? I saw? Oh,
Speaker 1: man's got too many tips? I think, just a quick
Speaker 1: thought on the kill shot thing, because we do strive
Speaker 1: to get it, but I'm glad that it's we don't
Speaker 1: have to hang our hat on it. We can make
Speaker 1: a show without a kill shot, no problem. Um. But
Speaker 1: for me personally, it's like so anticlimactic. I love to hunt.
Speaker 1: I love the chase, and it's like it's soon even
Speaker 1: if that animal just fault dirt naps, you know, which
Speaker 1: is like a kind of a nasty way of saying,
Speaker 1: like you just made a great shot and it just
Speaker 1: fell over, you know, dead right there in his tracks.
Speaker 1: But at that point, my hunt's over. You know. It's
Speaker 1: like now the work starts and like I'm not out
Speaker 1: chasing anymore. I'm not gonna go tomorrow morning. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna even if I go hike the same ridge line.
Speaker 1: I'm not out hunting anymore. Let's have more tags in
Speaker 1: my pocket. But you know what I mean, it's like,
Speaker 1: even though you're you're just trying to get to that
Speaker 1: moment so hard it anti climax. Even as a producer,
Speaker 1: don't you just feel complete and utter relaxation after it
Speaker 1: happened as a producer. It's different as a producer. But
Speaker 1: that was just my personal thought tip. And this isn't
Speaker 1: just for someone trying to capture their hunt, but I
Speaker 1: think four people that are trying to maybe do a
Speaker 1: little bit more than just capture a hunt, whether it's
Speaker 1: full draw film to or you know, something like that
Speaker 1: is we see a lot of like people are putting
Speaker 1: too much effort into the beauty shots I think, as
Speaker 1: opposed to like the basics that you were talking about.
Speaker 1: And that would be my tip, Like don't worry about
Speaker 1: the sliders and the jibs and the cameras flying through
Speaker 1: trees and stuff like. Just work on documenting what's going on,
Speaker 1: I think would be my tip. You know, and trying
Speaker 1: to be the skinnerd Um. One of the guys, Leonard
Speaker 1: skinnerd once said, learn how to play a guitar, then
Speaker 1: get sexy. It's a good point. But I think you're honest.
Speaker 1: You're referring to all a heck of a lot of
Speaker 1: hunting videos that are beautifully shot, and then it's all
Speaker 1: vi O just kind of they all kind of sound
Speaker 1: the same, sappy, like oh, it's so beautiful to be
Speaker 1: in the woods in the fall, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what comes in with going in without a story
Speaker 1: in mind. You're just going in logging. It's like people
Speaker 1: get in a situation where it is like log and
Speaker 1: log and log and log footage and literally sit down
Speaker 1: and go like, Okay, now I'm gonna impose some logic
Speaker 1: upon this, and it winds up being Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: requires on camera interaction. I think, I think what you're
Speaker 1: you know, not to just shoot the beauty stuff, but
Speaker 1: it requires like hosting in a sense or something, or
Speaker 1: interaction between people, you know, capturing the actual people in
Speaker 1: the action, not just them walking a path and not
Speaker 1: them checking in, you know, because that's almost at that
Speaker 1: point it's it's it's a certain script because the person's
Speaker 1: been thinking about what they're gonna, you know, check in
Speaker 1: with at that moment. Can't get away from checking in,
Speaker 1: you can't, But you need to be getting that, and
Speaker 1: you know, just always be ready for when someone just
Speaker 1: starts talking and you're going, man, this is pretty cool,
Speaker 1: Like I should be captured this. Yeah, I agree, And
Speaker 1: i'd say if you're a camera guy, don't be you're
Speaker 1: a camera guy who says I don't believe you there's
Speaker 1: there's no outcoming through. Yeah, but I feel like we
Speaker 1: can get away with a lot more or or certain
Speaker 1: things that you really can on TV, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like I think a lot of times I
Speaker 1: watch YouTube videos and you know, as serious as some
Speaker 1: of them try to be, and there's this interaction with
Speaker 1: the camera guy and the guy hunting, but that comes
Speaker 1: out of that. It's great hunting TV thing. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: think it happens, you know. I think in Hunting DV
Speaker 1: there's a great amount of there's like a tremendous amount
Speaker 1: of traditionally, a tremendous amount of interaction between the film
Speaker 1: the filmer, the cameraman and the hunter. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: that there was a show for a while. The premise
Speaker 1: of the show was a dude filming his wife hunting.
Speaker 1: Really that was the that was the plot, you know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've often wondered, like why is that
Speaker 1: why that world? Like is it because it's is it
Speaker 1: just a manifestation of it being so difficult to capture
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff we're talking about, and these uncontrolled
Speaker 1: environments where you don't know what's gonna happen, and like
Speaker 1: there's a tremendous amount of uncertainty that you feel the
Speaker 1: tension of trying to capture it. And so as a
Speaker 1: way to buckle to that tension, you open it up
Speaker 1: and have it be a dialogue. You'll see stuff, I mean,
Speaker 1: like great shows you see like you here the guy,
Speaker 1: did you get that? And they gotta be all excited
Speaker 1: and I don't know why they That intrusion is so welcome.
Speaker 1: The term I learned this term just the production. They
Speaker 1: call it like breaking the fourth wall. So imagine like
Speaker 1: if you were filming this room right here, right, we
Speaker 1: got the three walls, but then this wall is where
Speaker 1: the camera set up to break the fourth walls to
Speaker 1: turn and see what's here and um, and we try
Speaker 1: to do it uh very carefully, not very often. Yanni
Speaker 1: might have been before he was even doing what he
Speaker 1: was doing, like yeah, he was just a gear pack,
Speaker 1: or you might have been the first wall break spotting
Speaker 1: the grizzly in camp really and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: it was like it's kind of like Mayber were talking
Speaker 1: about being adaptive to the story, Like the camp is
Speaker 1: way more tense than there are people on camera, Like
Speaker 1: it's like we're filming out of this camp, but it
Speaker 1: was a grizzly coming up into camp and we're like,
Speaker 1: did it? And um, I think some people like it.
Speaker 1: There's a sense of camaraderie there, you know, But for
Speaker 1: me personally, UM, I tend to not welcome that. And
Speaker 1: I don't know why. It's you know, like they do
Speaker 1: it in morning shows now and then they're like like
Speaker 1: the camera guys, you know, will be his birthday and
Speaker 1: you know, but it's like it doesn't happen in most
Speaker 1: forms of media. Have you seen that new show in
Speaker 1: NBC The Island. Have you heard about this where the
Speaker 1: camera guys were our buddy from town here is on
Speaker 1: it Smith, But totally in that whole concept, you know, now,
Speaker 1: the camera guys are the talent and the right to character.
Speaker 1: He's a character and one of the shooters. But is
Speaker 1: he actually shooting a scripted in character? No actual shooting,
Speaker 1: so he's actually shooting so you didn't just go cast
Speaker 1: people to act like camera guys. The level of cynicism
Speaker 1: in some television that's we're running out to doesn't know
Speaker 1: they want to talk about. It's just like um grappling
Speaker 1: with Uh, you're grappling with your own relationship to the facts,
Speaker 1: Like what is your obligation And it's a it's a
Speaker 1: personal thing. Everyone has a side for themselves. What is
Speaker 1: your obligation with reality? What is your obligation to reality
Speaker 1: in what you present happening? And it's a tricky subject
Speaker 1: because we're talking earlier. We filmed hundreds of hours, okay,
Speaker 1: in twenty two minutes come out. You know, Um, you're
Speaker 1: already making a huge judgment about what the trip was.
Speaker 1: You're saying, the trip was this twenty two minutes. Um,
Speaker 1: So you're already in some way like if you were
Speaker 1: like absolutely loyal, faithful to reality, even the editing process
Speaker 1: would be you wouldn't be able to you wouldn't do
Speaker 1: because you're already, like you already putting a spin on it,
Speaker 1: you know, and inevitably because of issues of time, because
Speaker 1: of issues of what's of interested people, of what's palpable
Speaker 1: people of just making a quality product. You end up
Speaker 1: fudging things such as what days something happened on. We
Speaker 1: try to we try hard to never to not mess
Speaker 1: with the sort of integrity of of of something that happened,
Speaker 1: but we do like Monday, nothing might happen, but some
Speaker 1: moments from Monday might wind it's into Tuesday. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: it's not like toying with the it's not you're not
Speaker 1: like messing with you know, the pristinity of the thing
Speaker 1: or you know, you just sort of making a product.
Speaker 1: That's been our number one argument back. I'd say, since
Speaker 1: the beginning is time and how we manage time on
Speaker 1: the show, and and how it's hard to make an
Speaker 1: eight day hunt where not much happened stay compelling the
Speaker 1: storyline the entire time, when you could you know, fudge
Speaker 1: a bid and and just show four days. So and
Speaker 1: I mean you're going to like nod and like trying
Speaker 1: to nod to the passage of time. Yeah, because it's
Speaker 1: like we have a thing too. It's like if it
Speaker 1: didn't happen on film, it didn't happen. If it didn't
Speaker 1: have en on film, forget it. We're not gonna talk
Speaker 1: about it. It just didn't happen. So yeah, it winds
Speaker 1: up being and I always walked that line when we're
Speaker 1: doing while within on travel Channel, there was tremendous pressure
Speaker 1: coming from all directions to just b s bullshit, really
Speaker 1: tremendous pressure. And um, now you're talking about freedom, like
Speaker 1: now we have freedom from the pressure to bullshit. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's also it's like
Speaker 1: you're trying to like do something and to capture the
Speaker 1: essence of it. Maybe to capture the essence of it,
Speaker 1: you do at times mess with chronology. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we don't borrow dead animals from people. I hope you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, but I don't know. I guess
Speaker 1: everything we bat That's one of the primary things we've
Speaker 1: battle about. It's that's a good question. I guess there's
Speaker 1: a fine line, like you know, you want to tell
Speaker 1: I always tell people like the realest stuff is the
Speaker 1: best to me, that's what it excites me. And and uh,
Speaker 1: you can see through the BS I think. And so
Speaker 1: we've always, like we were talking earlier, like we never
Speaker 1: go back and reshoot shots or anything like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it's a hard decision. I mean, and we could
Speaker 1: make a lot better quality content. If we could go
Speaker 1: back and redo this kill shot or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: you could make a better, higher quality video. But for us,
Speaker 1: it's about the reality of it. Like if I was
Speaker 1: to do that, I would go back and watch that
Speaker 1: video in a year from now and and I would
Speaker 1: hate it. I would hate that video because I knew it.
Speaker 1: And but like what you're saying about, maybe Monday bleeds
Speaker 1: into Tuesday and Wednesday, you know, I think maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: we fall we fall into that, Like, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: could like, for example, the bear hunt we just put out.
Speaker 1: You know, we sat in the same stand for four nights,
Speaker 1: So say I needed a clip on that third night
Speaker 1: of you know, Casey climbing the tree stand that I
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily film on the third night, but he did
Speaker 1: the exact same thing on the second night. I can
Speaker 1: pull you know, three or four seconds to him climbing
Speaker 1: up the tree stand, just to tie in that story
Speaker 1: a little bit better. But we do try to keep
Speaker 1: it as real and as raws as possible. But yeah,
Speaker 1: like piecing together the story, if you have that clip
Speaker 1: you need from two days before, I still think that's okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even like what you're saying that with the bear thing,
Speaker 1: Like let's say you hunted four nights. You go, let's
Speaker 1: just make it all one night. But every bear we
Speaker 1: saw came that night. Yeah, oh yeah, it looks like
Speaker 1: an amazing yeah, which is yeah, we could have done
Speaker 1: That's that's a little bit, you know, well not not
Speaker 1: in our case. We saw the same five bears every night.
Speaker 1: It would have been the same thing, the same five
Speaker 1: bears with just different lighting. Different, but not. We try
Speaker 1: to keep it real. But like things like that, I
Speaker 1: don't think it takes away from the realness, but it like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like b roll footage is you can
Speaker 1: kind of use that anywhere. It's just like what you're
Speaker 1: talking about meeting somebody and it's so awkward. But now
Speaker 1: you guys go into b roll with the v O
Speaker 1: and it's not so awkward. It looks good. But but
Speaker 1: like when you're shaking the hand Dot, he's not really
Speaker 1: out there, you know, shooting b roll of the scenery
Speaker 1: or Bob or whoever. So I don't think it takes
Speaker 1: away the realness of it. But but you know, what
Speaker 1: you get into is like this, we we have a
Speaker 1: thing of get a concluding thought that's gonna be by
Speaker 1: concluting thoughts for dragon on. Um, you know you're watching
Speaker 1: wildly coyote, road running, wildly coyote. Right, you're accepting all
Speaker 1: this stuff, you know, but then you see something that
Speaker 1: you don't. It's just like outlandish. It's like, Okay, you're
Speaker 1: already accepting that, like coyotes and roadrunners have you know
Speaker 1: that they have communication and mail order from ACMEE. It's
Speaker 1: like the suspension disbelief. You know. I think that anyone
Speaker 1: who sits down to watch TV in this day and age,
Speaker 1: um knows they're watching product. You know, you're you're watching,
Speaker 1: but yes, you're watching product. You're watching something edited generally,
Speaker 1: like if a guy's out alone in the woods, I
Speaker 1: think that most viewers are savvy enough to be like,
Speaker 1: he's not out alone in the woods. I had a
Speaker 1: guy times say me, I can't believe the places you
Speaker 1: go alone. It's like, well, you just I mean, you're
Speaker 1: referring to a show you watch, and clearly some dudes
Speaker 1: are shooting that show, you know, So there's like that
Speaker 1: like we're filming you know. Um, but within that, within
Speaker 1: that subtenion suspension, just believe. I do think that you
Speaker 1: do have some obligation. There's still obligations to the viewer.
Speaker 1: Some people live free of that, and those people are
Speaker 1: going to reality television. Some people, um, don't live free
Speaker 1: of that and have that that guilt or that problem
Speaker 1: or whatever's going on in their head, or they feel
Speaker 1: some fidelity to reality. Um. I struggle with it every
Speaker 1: day and I've tended to over time, had to to
Speaker 1: feel that fidelity grow, you know, the interest in the
Speaker 1: truth to increase rather than diminish. Um. That's Michael Cluton thought. Yeah.
Speaker 1: By concluding thought is a challenge to the greater hunting
Speaker 1: community to step up the collective game of the quality
Speaker 1: of their video and storytelling ability, because I think it
Speaker 1: says a lot to the wider world. Um, you know
Speaker 1: what the hunting story is if it if it's told
Speaker 1: really terribly with bad camera working bad stories. I I
Speaker 1: challenge everybody to learn the craft and get real good
Speaker 1: and make hunting something that doesn't look like a bunch
Speaker 1: of dorks in the woods that don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: That it's as beautiful as it is. Right. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess I'll chime in with with what Tody's saying is
Speaker 1: not only uh, you know, good quality you know, tells
Speaker 1: a good story, but honesty, like we've been talking about,
Speaker 1: and I really feel like a huge uh um supporter
Speaker 1: of people filming things that open the eyes of maybe
Speaker 1: non hunters and people that maybe don't know exactly what
Speaker 1: we do and capture those moments and share them because
Speaker 1: the reason most people don't enjoy what we do and
Speaker 1: don't believe in in hunting is because they're uneducated and
Speaker 1: they just don't understand. And by us filming what we
Speaker 1: do and telling the on its true story, it's open.
Speaker 1: It's really opened their eyes. And those are the comments
Speaker 1: I love reading more than anything. Is the people that
Speaker 1: we're anti hunters were vegetarians that they hated hunting before
Speaker 1: and they watched our first video on their hooked and
Speaker 1: they might not ever become hunters, but they understand what
Speaker 1: we do know and that's through good storytelling. And I
Speaker 1: want to say good quality content, which you know, we
Speaker 1: we can get away with not everything being perfect on YouTube,
Speaker 1: but I mean we do a really good job telling
Speaker 1: telling an honest story, I think yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of people like watching the channel,
Speaker 1: just because of the realness and just showing people how
Speaker 1: much passion we have for we do I mean, how
Speaker 1: much respect we have for the animals and the land
Speaker 1: they live in, and kind of sending that message through
Speaker 1: our videos is one thing that we like to do
Speaker 1: is just showing that we're out there having fun. This
Speaker 1: is something that we love and uh yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just fun to share it with people. I want
Speaker 1: to change my concluding thought that to be that everyone
Speaker 1: should needs to go buy one of Yanni's Hunt to
Speaker 1: Eat T shirts. No, he's something I get to change
Speaker 1: mind because I was gonna finally have to plug my
Speaker 1: own ship. But you guys want to Hunt to Eat
Speaker 1: T shirt? I don't. But honestly, you know, hey, by
Speaker 1: the way, I don't know. We don't know when this
Speaker 1: episode will air. But today we have Montana Hunt Eat
Speaker 1: shirts live. You can go buy them, which is apropos
Speaker 1: to the fact that we're here in Montana. Is not
Speaker 1: a paid sponsor, not at all. I buy a shirt today,
Speaker 1: it will be a paid sponsor. No, I'm staying. It's
Speaker 1: like I'm not being bought and sold here. Okay, I
Speaker 1: get I want to get squat making sure that Hearts
Speaker 1: is a thriving T shirt business. And that Yanni becomes
Speaker 1: a T shirt magnate that you children will read about,
Speaker 1: that your children will watch videos about on YouTube. There
Speaker 1: you go. I've seen that shirt floating around social media.
Speaker 1: I love that shirt doing on you should do an
Speaker 1: unboxing video your shirt. Yeah, it comes in plastic wrap.
Speaker 1: Let's open the bag. Yet you got to change it
Speaker 1: up so you're not like every other unboxed like unboxed
Speaker 1: with your feet, and then it will be a little
Speaker 1: bit different than the rest of Oh my gosh with
Speaker 1: a double rainbow unboxing shirt. That's a viral YouTube video.
Speaker 1: Now I want you to you get too concluding thoughts
Speaker 1: because I want to hear the plug you're going to
Speaker 1: give this game it? Man, I got Montana hunting really
Speaker 1: gonna use your concluding thoughts and plug T shirt business?
Speaker 1: Of course not. Oh no, I didn't get to talk
Speaker 1: about the difference between hunting alone and hunting you know,
Speaker 1: with the camera crew. So I was just gonna touch
Speaker 1: on that because it never got around to me earlier.
Speaker 1: Either way, he wears a hunts Eat T shirt, especially
Speaker 1: during podcasts. It's a good reminder. Um, I relish the quiet.
Speaker 1: We still get it because we do a good job.
Speaker 1: I think of remembering too. That's why we're out there,
Speaker 1: you know, hunting and to get those quiet moments. And
Speaker 1: I think when everybody sees our upcoming Cusier episode, that's
Speaker 1: going to really come through because we just like hung
Speaker 1: out in the quiet for four days and enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: But I always look forward to going out on my
Speaker 1: own hunts without you know, the crew, just because I
Speaker 1: like just sitting there and just not not talking to anybody,
Speaker 1: just listening to the birds and then wind. And you've
Speaker 1: sacrificed a lot of that being in the line of
Speaker 1: work that we're talking about here, what you guided a lot,
Speaker 1: and so guiding is probably not that quiet. But you've
Speaker 1: sacrificed a lot of your what would be alone time
Speaker 1: in the woods in order to get in a way
Speaker 1: to get more time in the woods. But it's a
Speaker 1: different time, you know. It's been a good, good sacrifice.
Speaker 1: So that count is my concluding thought. Look at a
Speaker 1: concluding thought. That doesn't count. Oh that's good, I missed
Speaker 1: my quiet haunts. Well that's all right, buy one of
Speaker 1: Johnnie shirts he misses his quiet haunts. Um casey do
Speaker 1: a final like give get everybody run down? How to
Speaker 1: find go to YouTube dot com slush hushing with Lavie
Speaker 1: or just type in get hushing um and it will
Speaker 1: come up. And this goes to YouTube types of hushing.
Speaker 1: What happens. It will come up spell hushing, h U
Speaker 1: s h I n hushing. Yeah. Go just type in
Speaker 1: hushing in the YouTube browser. Come up. Go watch some
Speaker 1: more our videos. They're good. What's the best? Like if
Speaker 1: you could have people watch one, what would you have watched? Um,
Speaker 1: I shot a video, not the fireball. No, I would
Speaker 1: say is like this is I'm not trying to plug
Speaker 1: our channel. I'm trying to plug Eric here. Like it's
Speaker 1: one of the most amazing honeymoon I've ever seen. Like, um,
Speaker 1: he captured the whole whole story, and it's an amazing story.
Speaker 1: You told about it. Go watch the fireball hunt. There's
Speaker 1: a couple of videos I'm really passionate about. I did
Speaker 1: my It took my son on his first hunt. Not
Speaker 1: he wasn't hunting. He was with me on an analyt
Speaker 1: punt last year and it worked. It just was an
Speaker 1: awesome hunt. And uh, there's a couple of them. Go
Speaker 1: go watch all of them. I think there's a hundred
Speaker 1: now close to so Yeah, type in hush and you
Speaker 1: get the whole sportus board. If you got twenty two
Speaker 1: minutes to kill and you've watched every meet or that
Speaker 1: it was ever made, first, type in the firebowl. I
Speaker 1: have one request. If you click on the video, you
Speaker 1: gotta watch the whole thing, though, No no skipping. Once
Speaker 1: you click you're committed, don't don't skip the pre the
Speaker 1: pre roll ads. That's how we make her. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: So there's all your stuff. All your stuff lives on hushing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the most for the most part, most of my videos
Speaker 1: as of recent all of my videos recently are on
Speaker 1: the hush and channel. And these boys get this make
Speaker 1: a living making hunting videos on YouTube. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: said at the top of the damn Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: we kind of covered that, but that would not be
Speaker 1: what we talked about earlier, right, do you want Do
Speaker 1: you want people to know that a fellow can just
Speaker 1: go out and make hunting videos and make a living. Yeah?
Speaker 1: I do. People think like it's like this hidden secret
Speaker 1: I'm trying to hide from. I want everyone to do it.
Speaker 1: I want I want you to go and make videos
Speaker 1: on YouTube. I want everyone to go to YouTube, make
Speaker 1: hunting videos because it just makes it powerful, more powerful,
Speaker 1: brings more eyeballs. But uh yeah, and I don't have TV,
Speaker 1: so it's hard for me to watch your TV show.
Speaker 1: We'll start stream start putting that stuff on the on YouTube. Listen,
Speaker 1: tell me the best way to string your your show
Speaker 1: me eater dot vh X, dot TV perfect. And we're
Speaker 1: gonna put a whole bunch of more videos on YouTube
Speaker 1: in the near future. We're cutting a whole hundred or
Speaker 1: so episode series of how to tips. It's going to
Speaker 1: go on the meat Eater how to with the whole
Speaker 1: meat Eater like a ton of people, like loosely affiliated
Speaker 1: people you've seen on episode, just like a ton of
Speaker 1: people doing it cool. Yeah, I love that stuff. I
Speaker 1: mean I've watched all all of them, most everything on
Speaker 1: that channel, behind the scenes stuff. It's fun. Alright, guys,
Speaker 1: thanks for tuning in. Bows in Montana. Um watch them
Speaker 1: Hushing watch the fire bowl he gets he kills in
Speaker 1: the end. Alright, guys, thanks for joining