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Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning into the Meat Eater podcast. We're recording

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Speaker 1: right now out of Bozeman, Montana, specifically out of the

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Speaker 1: spacious placial rental home of Dan Doughty. Dan has a

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Speaker 1: lookout tower. We're in his basement. Many floors blow his

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Speaker 1: lookout power, which looks out over irrigated pasture, chickens, ducks, ducks,

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Speaker 1: foul um. In the kitchen right now, he's prepping up

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Speaker 1: some of his homegrown chickens. He uh to everyone who

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Speaker 1: comes in. He marvels about their size and robustness. Chickens,

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Speaker 1: huge chickens. This is like a homecoming for me because

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Speaker 1: years ago I lived at Montana for a long time,

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Speaker 1: about a decade, and for a short spell I lived

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Speaker 1: here in Bozeman and we rented. My brother and I

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Speaker 1: were living in a trailer park. In that trailer park

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Speaker 1: like inspires certain images in a person's mind. But this

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Speaker 1: guy own his trailer park. You know, r Have you

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Speaker 1: guys heard of Rock Creek. He put trailers on his

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Speaker 1: trailer park at about the same spacing that they put

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Speaker 1: golf greens on a golf course. I mean, it was

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Speaker 1: like paradise and it came with private access well to

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Speaker 1: Rocky Creek. Dude, there was like it was a giant place.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I think there's like thirteen trailers on it.

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Speaker 1: What is it now? Is it still there? I have

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Speaker 1: no idea. Always want to go. Look the nicest guy.

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Speaker 1: He drove around on a golf cart. All this dude

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Speaker 1: did was mole grass and had this creek. We uh

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Speaker 1: picked ferry ring mushrooms off the property. We would shoot

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Speaker 1: our bowl in our own little area. He's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: if you boys really want to have a good place

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Speaker 1: to shooting, like, we had a little shooting area and

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Speaker 1: we'd explore that creek with fly rods. But if you

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Speaker 1: really wanted to get an accurate idea what was going

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Speaker 1: on there, you'd run a leaf for him through that

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Speaker 1: thing and turn up a whole other class of fish

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Speaker 1: out of there. No, it's a great trailer park. It

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Speaker 1: didn't make any I don't know. I never got into

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Speaker 1: this guy's books. It made no sense that he was

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Speaker 1: running it as a trailer park. Where from town is that?

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Speaker 1: Where is that creek? You know it's at that, it's

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Speaker 1: right by it's out by the um. What's that good

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Speaker 1: breakfast place out by the slaughter yard or the sail yard, Stockyard. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Rocky Creek. But you know what it was the way

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Speaker 1: it was, truck's ripping down out of Bozeman Pass, hit

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Speaker 1: the Jake breaks. They basically not to hit the Jake

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Speaker 1: breaks at me and Matt's trailer, you know, just like

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Speaker 1: you got used to it after a while. Um, living there,

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Speaker 1: I found out why they call him Jake breaks. It's

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Speaker 1: a compression break made by Jacob Industries in Pennsylvania. Do

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Speaker 1: you guys already know that? Yeah? Really as dum dump

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Speaker 1: truck for a number of years when I was a kid.

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Speaker 1: So you're throwing a Jake breaking past my trailer with

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Speaker 1: the Jake drove down that hill and I saw your trailer,

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Speaker 1: I would hit the Jake break like that's ronella. He

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Speaker 1: gets to Jake. Um, all right, we're not gonna be

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Speaker 1: talking about trailer parks. Well, we are talking about is

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Speaker 1: uh the science and lower and bullshit involved with filming art.

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Speaker 1: The science art, lower and bullshit of filming hunts. And

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Speaker 1: this is something like I hear about. I hear about

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Speaker 1: in different ways from from people who ask questions all

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Speaker 1: the time. They'll ask how do you get into that

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Speaker 1: line of work? Right? So people will see like there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys out there who are like, man,

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Speaker 1: you know, I like the film hunts. Why can't Why

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Speaker 1: don't I film hunts for living? Or is it different hunting?

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Speaker 1: Like do you miss hunting without cameras? Or people just

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Speaker 1: having technical questions about film and hunts or um, I

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Speaker 1: feel like there's other ores. Well, there's a lot. I

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Speaker 1: mean there's a million questions, and then there's just when

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Speaker 1: you watch and see that people could do if you're

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Speaker 1: so inclined to film your hunt for memory's sake or

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Speaker 1: for whatever things that one should be doing to do

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Speaker 1: a better job. You know, you see and those articles

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Speaker 1: about how to take good grip and grins and magazines

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Speaker 1: you don't see much about like just sort of like

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Speaker 1: capturing film on hunts, like how to be roll footage

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Speaker 1: about that. I think it's interesting. Now, I'd let me

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Speaker 1: introduce you. Um, I'm here with Media your producer yea

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Speaker 1: honest you tell us also director and producer Dan Doherty.

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Speaker 1: These guys are both based here out of Bozeman at

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Speaker 1: z PC West um Casey Lvier from Hush Hushing or

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Speaker 1: Hush because he used to be Hushing your your cap

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Speaker 1: hushes the merch line. Hushing is the the YouTube page

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Speaker 1: which is hunt slash Fishing Hushing. So be like New

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Speaker 1: Balance and New Belle a lot like that. So explain

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Speaker 1: it again. Hushing is the Hushing is your your humongous

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Yeah, I wouldn't say it's humongous, but it's hard.

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Speaker 1: But just lay lay a couple of credentials out We've got.

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Speaker 1: It's a big YouTube like you do, like a big

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Speaker 1: I mean, we do a big, brisk YouTube business. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the hunting channel. I run a couple of different YouTube channels.

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Speaker 1: I have a personal family channel we run that's very successful.

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Speaker 1: We've got over five hundred thousand subscribers, almost to hit

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Speaker 1: a hundred million views, and then the hunting channel is

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Speaker 1: doing really well and it's got what five hunting and fishing,

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Speaker 1: hit ten million views, which I mean when I started

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Speaker 1: convinced me to do this because he was doing YouTube

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Speaker 1: make a hunting channel on YouTube? I'm like that is

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Speaker 1: not the audience that's on YouTube or on the internet really,

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Speaker 1: So it was a hard game at first, but now

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Speaker 1: there's it's opening up and other people are starting to

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Speaker 1: watch stuff on there. So it's done well. So, I mean,

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Speaker 1: compared to some of the giant YouTube channels, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem like a lot, but for what we're trying to do,

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Speaker 1: Then Chester the Blaster yea, he really drives a van.

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Speaker 1: I wish I had a van Eric Eric Ester, Eric Chester,

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Speaker 1: not Chester, not Chester. But everyone wants to make it.

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Speaker 1: Everyone wants they want to do what I just did.

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Speaker 1: I could spell it out for him with two s's

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Speaker 1: and now somehow put a T in there and how

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Speaker 1: do you what's your affiliation? Well, it's pretty cool. How

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Speaker 1: Casey and I met. We actually met at the Big

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Speaker 1: to me, and uh, hunting, films, hunting, DVDs, shed hunting, Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: didn't understand it. Um. Since then, we've just kind of

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Speaker 1: know something like like like this sort of apocryphal? Is that?

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Speaker 1: What was that a word? An apocryphal story? I ever

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Speaker 1: like to date myself, not to go on dates myself

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Speaker 1: with to date like my era. When I was born.

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Speaker 1: I remember being in a class in college at Lake

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Speaker 1: was in his communications class, okay, and it was like

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Speaker 1: one of the things you have to do is you

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Speaker 1: have to make a persuasion speech. Okay. I remember dude

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Speaker 1: getting up there and saying, man, you should be getting

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Speaker 1: and being there man like I don't know, man, there

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Speaker 1: was a potent argument in favorite CDs, I'm switching. It

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Speaker 1: seemed like such a risk back then to give up

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Speaker 1: first tape everyone was a Ghostbusters soundtrack. Really yeah, Mine

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Speaker 1: was Aky Breaky Heart. I think I own that same

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Speaker 1: mean so you're like, but when I think of the YouTube, right,

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Speaker 1: the Ghostbusters. I just showed my youngest boy or my

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Speaker 1: That's how you rack up hits on YouTube. You have it,

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Speaker 1: so they watch and then it gets into that category

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Speaker 1: of unboxing. So every video it suggested videos and unboxing

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Speaker 1: video and they just it's the same channel and just

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Speaker 1: go you could go watch unboxing videos of a fishing reel.

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Speaker 1: Going to like going to YouTube and type in unboxing

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Speaker 1: and then they really watch what what a hunt really

425
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: requires and what it takes. It's not just a bunch

426
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: of deers jumping in the truck with the case of beer,

427
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: driving out, killing everything you see and going home. But

428
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 1: we respect these animals and we consume these animals and

429
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: and so yeah, it is tough sometimes thinking that you

430
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 1: exploit those animals for what you do. But I think

431
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: in the long run, uh, what the meat Eater shows done, um,

432
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: I feel like we've done the same on YouTube. It

433
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: really opens the eyes to the people that might not

434
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 1: have understood what we did before. And I think that's

435
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,479
Speaker 1: the biggest problem with people that don't agree with what

436
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 1: we do is they're just not educated on it or

437
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: got or do in fact know about something that happened,

438
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 1: but they know about an anomalous thing that happens, you know,

439
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: like that one day, like they live in a suburban

440
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: one day a deer comes a rounding their yard with

441
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: the arrow hanging out of it, arrow stuck in its

442
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: like kind they're like, oh, so that's what that's all about. Yeah,

443
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, no one ever shows up those moments though,

444
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: when when you think may should you know, should only

445
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: be for yourself? When we do film them and say

446
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: I'm shooting you and I you know, capture you experiencing that,

447
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: Like there's there's an I think there's like a next

448
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: level of I don't know, just I guess context, but

449
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: possibly beauty too, to see someone having an emotional or

450
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: experiential thing happened. Like remember when we shot Joe Rogan

451
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: shoot his first year, there's that moment that that MO

452
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 1: captured there that is you know, not that it's greater

453
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: than his experience, of course it's not, but there's something

454
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: really powerful there and you know we're looking for that.

455
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what Johannis and I are looking for

456
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: as much as possible. Is that real experience. But you

457
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: know it's interesting because you know, you're not the writer

458
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: in that case. In that case, the producer of the

459
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: shooter is the writer and you're the subject. And um, yeah,

460
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: I mean that's what we go for. So it's it's

461
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it is exploitative necessarily animal.

462
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: I think it's also can be incredibly respectful specifically towards

463
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 1: that situation for sure. Man Like yeah, just to render

464
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: it and I think that, you know, I guess it's

465
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: it's some little thing where wildlife art, wildlife photography always

466
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: feels celebratory of the animal, you know what I mean?

467
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: And I think you can get to that as well.

468
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to just talk about this because I

469
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: want to talk aboutther stuff. When you guys just like

470
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: from a technical standpoint, capturing a hunt on film, now

471
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: that we've gotten into like why do guy want to? Right?

472
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,959
Speaker 1: Or should you want to or whatever? What do you

473
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: think like from your guy's perspective, all having had tons

474
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: of experience doing this, Dan, you don't know, produce sixty

475
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: episodes of meter been on, so that many hunts film

476
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: that many hunts are more more actually Um, when you

477
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: guys watch let's just say you're on YouTube and you're

478
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: watching hunt videos the guys have made what's the what

479
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: do you feel is that could be technical content whatever?

480
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: What do you feel is like the thing that guys

481
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: most often do wrong? Or like what are some things

482
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: that you're gonna offer up answer this question anyway? See fit?

483
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: But like what do they do wrong? What could people

484
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 1: do different? They would improve their stuff everything. It's very

485
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: easy to watch somebody else's content and and critique it right,

486
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: Like you can say I was right to me. For me,

487
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 1: I like like those moments you're talking about. I like

488
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: the realness of the hunt and like capturing, uh, the

489
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: emotion behind it, and like I caught one of his

490
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: moments when he killed that his very first like big

491
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: bowl on rifle and the emotion. It was twenty seconds

492
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: of you know, of his raw emotion and it made

493
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: the whole film like it made the for the three

494
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: days we filmed. Like, um, I think the biggest thing

495
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: that I see in like YouTube or TV is anything

496
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: that's not real. It's staged and you can see right

497
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: through it. And there's so much content out there just

498
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: staged hunts where they go and kill something and then

499
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: they'll go back and reshoot whatever. Yeah, the responses. Yeah,

500
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: another thing you see a lot of that makes um

501
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: that that it is difficult to watch. It's just the

502
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: standard way of setting it up of be like, Hi,

503
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm here with Bob and we're on Bob's beautiful place

504
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: and we're gonna that's a difficult thing to get around.

505
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's difficult. There's an economy, like staging stuff

506
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: is economical. I mean it's like easy and quick. When

507
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: we started out when we used to do like we're

508
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: just particularly doing while then as you'd always do these

509
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: like you have two people have to meet, right, you're

510
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: going to meet someone, but you don't film the meeting

511
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: right because it's chaotic, So later you gotta do like

512
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: so you walk up and shake their hands. And I

513
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: still see that TV now we're like it'll be a

514
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: really like one of those real estate shows and there'll

515
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: be a shot where a guy's walking up to a

516
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: door and there's a shot on the inside of the

517
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: person hearing the knock, and then they opened the door

518
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: and meet, and they don't meet like how people meet.

519
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: You know, they're meeting in the way they meet on TV,

520
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: which isn't how that interaction goes down. We used to

521
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: do those all the time, Yeah, because like, how is

522
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: she gonna get into it? Yeah? The key we realized

523
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: is to get into it with v O and b rolled.

524
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: I hooked up with Doug right dog like doing some

525
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: Doug type activity and just take for granted. People realize

526
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: there must have been that moment when you shook hands

527
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: that we're not when the door opened from the Yeah,

528
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: but they were not seeing and it's like to see it.

529
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: It's like a relief to me to not have those

530
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: anguished so in I always like, if you're doing stuff,

531
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: if something makes you feel so awkward and self conscious,

532
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: try to find another way of doing it, because everyone's

533
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: gonna feel awkward and self conscious. There's probably people out

534
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: there who could knock on the door and do like

535
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: a meat and it just feels great. Dan used to

536
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: be into a fishing show, which one Oh yeah, he

537
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: was good at it. He was amazing. What was that

538
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: calling him? All man? Do you know what I'm talking?

539
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: He's a wrestler. Anybody's seen this. He's a Canadian wrestlers redhead.

540
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: He would extreme fishing and he'd like It was a

541
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: great showman. He was entertaining. He was so easy in

542
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: his own skin though that he could do those because

543
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: he's a professional. I mean he was a performer, you know,

544
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: he was an actor. He was a performer. He knew

545
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: how to do that. But no, I mean he could

546
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: walk into a bar and do like a fake meat

547
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: in the bar and it was fun, Like he hit

548
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: a whole fresh joke. Was it just like his name?

549
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: It was like Billie Damn was the only guy watched it.

550
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: I thought I thought it would have beat the Super

551
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: Bowl for in ratings. It was on It was not

552
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: Discovery or something for a while or Natio. It was

553
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: on Nato. I'm really interested though that dude to carry

554
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: your program. Man, I'll look it up sometimes during this

555
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,719
Speaker 1: and bring it back up. But I want to say that, like,

556
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: I think the two main things people can do, and

557
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: they're huge, and I don't know that people can do

558
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: them easily. But number one has learned how to tell

559
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: a story in a basic sense, and that means that

560
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: there's a beginning, of middle, and end and that it

561
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: shows an arc of what happens. And I don't think

562
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: that hunting videos do that very well. Uh, historically they

563
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: don't do that. And you know, it's been our focus

564
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: since the very beginning, you know, ZPZ. We've had a

565
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, a crack team of storytellers being very very

566
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: specific about how to craft are our stories from beginning

567
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: to middle and end and how they work. And we

568
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: put a lot of time. Now Janice puts, you know,

569
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 1: weeks into episodes before we go going, before we go

570
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: out there with a plan, and then uh, monitoring that

571
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: story while it's happening, and then and they edit process afterwards.

572
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: It is a massive amount of work, a massive amount

573
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: of people and energy that goes into really defining that

574
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: story and making it entertaining, keep you moving all the

575
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: way through it. And uh, that's huge. I mean, I

576
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: think that's probably number one. And the second major thing

577
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: for for making hunting videos better would be too just

578
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: learn the basics of framing, the basics of your gear,

579
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: and the basics of of shooting, um like blocking, so

580
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, a combination knowing how to cut from a

581
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: close up of Casey's face to a wide shot that

582
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: shows what he's doing with the context of where he's going.

583
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: And there's there's a million things to consider, but probably

584
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: the best way to learn it is to be in

585
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: the edit room and actually put something together, because then

586
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: once you go out there, you know what the heck

587
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: you're looking for to start with. Pieces together, you realized

588
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: stuff you wish you had totally and how to shoot that. Yeah,

589
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: he's specifically know how to shoot that exact thing. You'll

590
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: know what you need. Like Nick Brigden's the creative director ZPC,

591
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: and he gave me a lot of my starting moded.

592
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: But that's what makes his particular magic and everybody talks

593
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: about it because he shoots what he addits, you know,

594
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: and so when he's when he's out on the field

595
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: or if we're in the field of somebody who knows

596
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: how to shoot for the edit, it's all up in

597
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: their head, you know. They just they know what they're

598
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: gonna get. When they get it, they get that feeling

599
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: it's done, and then you just move on and it's

600
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: just like, uh, you know, checking off boxes all the

601
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: I want to speak to the story thing real quick,

602
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: because um, it's hard to even define what story is.

603
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: But one way you might get into a story is

604
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: in the most basic element a story is something changes,

605
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like something changes. Um, we

606
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: work like at media, we were with a lot of

607
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: people who a lot of people, the majority people did

608
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: not come out of hunting. They came out of storytelling, right,

609
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: They came out of film writing various things. So they're

610
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: they're their first and foremost love is telling stories. It's

611
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: just this is a variety of story. But that's what

612
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: it is. It wasn't like they love the film hunts,

613
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: but they wanted to learn how to make that in

614
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: the story, so they already got that part down. Another

615
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: thing is I think that what we found is maintaining

616
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: a certain amount of flexibility about what the story is.

617
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: Because Dan alluded to the pre production process for yas

618
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: might spend a much time on like a story. Oftentimes

619
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: you'll be mid stream and realize that it's just not

620
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: there and or something different is going on, and you're

621
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: sort of making these game time decisions, Um, do we

622
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: follow the story? Sometimes the story is hard because, like

623
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: I always make a joke about what's production and what's content.

624
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're in a story that feels very production. You

625
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: know what it feels like the story Like let's say

626
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: you're going on a hunt and all of sudden you

627
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: can't go where you want to go. I'll be like, man,

628
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: this is like a what I would call a production issue.

629
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: This is like in the way of us doing this.

630
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: But you realize that sometimes out of that comes a

631
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: sort of you know, another story or an actual story

632
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: that would be a narrative that you would tell. A

633
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: different example, be like you can't film at night. Okay,

634
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: so you can't sider or it's hard to film at night.

635
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: Let's say you're feeling under your spear fishing underwater at night.

636
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: Let's just say that it would be very difficult to

637
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: light that and do that. That's a production thing, right,

638
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: It's like, it's hard to film at night. So oftentimes

639
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: I find the main thing you're thinking about is you

640
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: get lost in what it requires to make a story

641
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: and you start missing sort of the story that you

642
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: would be experiencing in the absence of filming. No. No,

643
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 1: it's like that's going to Bolivia to film our shows

644
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: and realizing that it rained for dirty days and then

645
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: you couldn't catch any fish, which is so you have

646
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: this production but it was But you're right, there's this

647
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: interesting moment when you know you deviate from what you

648
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: want the story to be to to having to reckon

649
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: with what's actually happening. And I think hunting is an

650
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: incredible stage to learn storytelling in that dynamic way because

651
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: you can't predict anything. Yeah, you can't to an extent.

652
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: You're always having to shift your your focus at every point.

653
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean, whether it's just the light or the weather,

654
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: or the animals aren't doing whatever. You know, you're sort

655
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: of you're intending for something to happen, and then it's

656
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: not gonna happen most likely, Yeah, it's I think I

657
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: think it would be tough to try to set up

658
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: a story before you actually go out on the hunt.

659
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: I mean, typically you go out, you meet the landowner

660
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: with that really awkward handshake, go hunt, kill an animal,

661
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: buttri it you're done right. But so many times in Honey,

662
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: it just goes wherever it wants to, Like your adventure

663
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: leads you somewhere different. And I don't know, like going

664
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: back to what you're talking about like cutting, editing and video,

665
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, shooting, I don't think you can be a

666
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: good cameraman until you actually start editing that footage and

667
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: then you learn what you made, where you made your mistakes.

668
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: It certain yeah, Like my wife just started. She has

669
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: a big craft show on YouTube, and she just started

670
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: cutting her own videos where and she started shooting her

671
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: own videos and she was craft like making crafts, hair tutorials, recipes,

672
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 1: mom show basically. Um, but you guys really are deep.

673
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: We are. Yeah, we're drowning in YouTube. But it's it's

674
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,479
Speaker 1: been great. I mean, what's hugely successful. Yeah, it does well,

675
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: and it's allowed us to be with our kids. Like

676
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: before we before this YouTube world, I was like, blue collar,

677
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: does it come? I worked at the steel mills, she

678
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: cut hair, like we were working fifty sixty hours a

679
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: week and now and that this is going back when

680
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier. But now we do YouTube

681
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: and it allows us to do everything with our kids.

682
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: And so it's like I tell my kids like sometimes

683
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to cut the next hushing video at

684
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: seven o'clock at night to get it ready for the

685
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: next day, and they're like, yeah, let's go to this.

686
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm working right now, and you know,

687
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: they get bummed out. I'm like, remember before when I

688
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: worked at the steel mill and I was gone sixty

689
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: hours a week, Like this is like our like this

690
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: is me at the office here for two hours and

691
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: later when they claim when they come to complain about

692
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: what you wouldn't even have been there. Yeah, if it

693
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: wasn't for YouTube. Yeah, so I than gone, yeah, cutting

694
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: my fingers off and burning my own yeah. But um yeah.

695
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,959
Speaker 1: So she's starting to shoot her own videos and stuff

696
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: at home so she doesn't have to fly out to

697
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: l A as much. And she's like, I don't know

698
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: if the lightnings right, I don't know if I'm talking.

699
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, just shoot something for twenty minutes, shooting for

700
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: like how you want it, and go and cut it

701
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: and then you'll know. So now she loves it. She

702
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: cuts her videos and now she knows how to shoot them,

703
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: and like that's the thing with us, is we shooting

704
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: at it all of our own stuff, and so like beforehand,

705
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: like while I'm shooting him hunting, I'm thinking about how

706
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cut that video, like, oh, this is gonna

707
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: be here. Oh first rule podcast was off. Thank you

708
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: very much for libration, but yeah that extra vibration. So yeah,

709
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: we I mean, when I'm shooting a video for for YouTube,

710
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about while I'm shooting, like how I'm gonna

711
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: cut it and how I'm gonna tell that story. But

712
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: and you tell the stories pretty efficiently, because you don't.

713
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: We work in a twenty like a half hour show,

714
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: twenty two minutes. We were in a twenty two minute world.

715
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: And now not only that, but we think about it. Um,

716
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: we tend to think about an AX yeah, segment or

717
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: like first act and there's the there they're they're they're

718
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: different lengths. So we we talked about cold open, act one,

719
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: act two x three x four, right, and um, but

720
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: it's a twenty two minute product. You're dealing with something

721
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: like what have you found to be the sweet spot?

722
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. We're just talking about this earlier. Yeah,

723
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny. Some take off and some don't.

724
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: But like, I have a video up there right now

725
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: that's twenty three twenty four minutes, which I would consider

726
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: to be a long YouTube. That's all long YouTube video.

727
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: But it has great retention and almost a quarter of

728
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: a million views right now. So but can you ever,

729
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can. What quarter million views is how

730
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: many people clicked it? How many people have seen it

731
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: all the way through. Um, it's hard to say how

732
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: many people have seen it all the way through, but

733
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: it gives you a retention rating, and that one's so

734
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 1: that one just keeps the people like certain videos. Yeah,

735
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: like just like any show, you want to keep their

736
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: attention there so they continue to keep watching. And something

737
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: with that video, just the storyline of it and the

738
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: way it just in one sentence synopsis, what is it?

739
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: The hunt? I shot the bull that's named the fire Bowl,

740
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: and it's just kind of gone like internet famous. I guess.

741
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, is this a really big bull? But

742
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: the story is so cool and so rare and lucky

743
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: enough I was able to capture it on film, So

744
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's a lot of anticipation for the

745
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: video to come out because it was floating around social

746
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: media for so long. When the killed this giant that

747
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: I killed this bull? What happened with the fire The

748
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: cool thing about this bull is, you know, Eric is

749
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: a shed hunter, and if you guys know shed hunters

750
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: are crazy people, they will they like, Eric has history

751
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: with this bull. He's watched this bull for years, Like

752
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: he's watched this bull grow up, and he collected its

753
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: horns and stuff. Like Eric wasn't just out to kill

754
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: any walking down the mountain like he went out to

755
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: kill this one specific animal and he did. I documented everything,

756
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: the scouting and everything leading up to it, and the

757
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: fire bull was this, This was the bull I was.

758
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: I wanted to hunt and you had you had hiss

759
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: from over a period some friends of mine had collected

760
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: UM a couple of sets off him, and uh, a

761
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: young kid and his dad had found two sets off

762
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: him as well, So we just knew he was on

763
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: the mountain because give you to give me the antlers

764
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: after you killed it. I do have one set from

765
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: a friend who I had a set off a bull

766
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: he killed, so we I had the set off like

767
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: swap now, and he was super nice about it. His

768
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: name's Jared, and he was, uh, yeah, it was like

769
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: no questions asked. He's like, this is your bull. So

770
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: we traded um. But what was neat or what was

771
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: interesting about the hunt and why that hunt has kind

772
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: of gone viral is I actually shot him twice, but

773
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: twelve days apart. So I shot him the opening week

774
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: and it just with the bow. This is an archery

775
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: hunt and I'm I'm hunting out of a ground blind

776
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: and opening Thursday. So the hunt started on Saturday and

777
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: Opening Thursday. A good friend of mine, Kobe, he came

778
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: to help me with my hunt and I said, well,

779
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: I this bull has been seen right in this meadow.

780
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of been sitting there and haven't seen

781
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: him yet. So he was kind of getting bummed out

782
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: because he had taken off a lot of work to

783
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: come help me, But he had been wishing that he

784
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: would have waited tell the rut because in Utah we

785
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: get that early season and the bow hunters start to

786
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: get into mid September, which the ruts starts to get going.

787
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: And I just remember telling him like, Hey, this is

788
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: gonna be an awesome hunt. Like there's bulls you know

789
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: in this area. We're gonna hunt the fireball. I mean

790
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: that's what I was doing. I was hunting the fireball.

791
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: So it was the opening Thursday and him and I

792
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: were sitting in the ground blind and this is just

793
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: a ground blind built out of pine needles and tree

794
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: lambs and anything we can build up this, uh like

795
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,959
Speaker 1: makeshift ground blind. And uh, the fireball came out into

796
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: the meadow and I remember my friend he's I was like,

797
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: get the camera ready, the fireballs coming, and he's like

798
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: you're you're lying, you know. He kept saying, you're yeah,

799
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: all right, And I said, get the camera ready, and

800
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: he can just tell by my you know, the way

801
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: I said that that he got the camera ready and

802
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 1: and sure enough the fireball fed out and I waited

803
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: and it was this is so funny, going back to

804
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: like being in those moments where we're filming and when

805
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: we're not and things we can we should see, and

806
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: just having our minds for me at that moment, like

807
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: you can see in the film, like my heart is

808
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: racing when I first spotted him, but it took him

809
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: a quite a while just to feed up to us

810
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: and to get to where I can like clear all

811
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: the branches and shoot at him. But in that moment,

812
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: like I was not hunting in my mind, Like I

813
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: had the bowl in my hand, and here's this bowl

814
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: that I've been, you know, waiting for all summer to hunt,

815
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: and I've got the tag and I've got my chance,

816
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: and I'm like spaced out, I'm zoned out, and I'm

817
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: not even hunting like my instincts. I was just enjoying

818
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: the visual of like, wow, there he is, Like it

819
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: was the first time I had seen him that year

820
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: with my eyes other than trail camp pictures. So it

821
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: was my friend that was like, dude, right now, shoot

822
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, like yeah, you're right,

823
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: you know. So I had waited for his head to

824
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: be down, I had waited for that French shoulder to

825
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: go forward, and I just put it right where I

826
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: wanted it and let go and we heard the smack

827
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: and the bull round off and my buddy just you

828
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: got him, You nailed him and everything, and we're so happy.

829
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: And the cameraman was like, he's not, he's not, He's

830
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: not he was supposed to be. This guy gets so excited.

831
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy loves to hunt, and him and

832
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: I have had some great experiences on the mountain together

833
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: and he just can't hold it in. Bottom line, he

834
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 1: gets too excited. So's you got him. So we're excited.

835
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: And we watched replayed the footage and it just uh,

836
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: he kind of jumped the string and I hit hit

837
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: him in the shoulder blade. I mean that you can

838
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: see in the film that the arrow just rides up

839
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: the shoulder instead of going, you know, penetrating in and uh,

840
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: it rained all night and we didn't find him. The

841
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: next day, luckily, a friend did see himbedded in the

842
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: thick timber, and I thought I was going to have

843
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: a second chance right then to go and shoot him,

844
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: but unfortunately he got up and walked off. So the

845
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: crazy thing about the hunt is I sat that blind.

846
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: I kept sitting in that blind, and a lot of

847
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: people doubted me, and a lot of people said I

848
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: was wasting my time. And twelve days later, in the

849
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: same blind, hunting by myself, filming myself with you know,

850
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: just a little hand held camera on a tripod in

851
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: my head camera, he came out twelve days later. Oh

852
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 1: he looked, Oh, he looks so healthy yet. I mean,

853
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: the first time I shot him, he kind of had

854
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: some velvet hanging off his antlers, and he kind of

855
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,959
Speaker 1: had that a really thin summer coat. This is twelve

856
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: days later, and his antlers are now just polished up,

857
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: really dark timbered antlers, and his cape was just even.

858
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: He was getting more into that rut phase, and he

859
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: just looks so pretty. And he didn't even have a

860
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: limp drilled in the shoulder blade. And twelve days later

861
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: he's just walking as majestic as he was out there.

862
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it was crazy. You're causing me to enter

863
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: into that fantasy of all the stuff I ever crippled

864
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: is just fine. Yeah, oh like and that's that. Going

865
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: back to that how we talked about how filming we

866
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: can learn so much and it does some great things,

867
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: Like we learned a lot from this hunt. You know,

868
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people told me he'll never be back.

869
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: He's going nocturnal. Um, he knows that meadow is dangerous now,

870
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: and I just said, look, these animals live in ang

871
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: their habitual I think he's going to be back. So

872
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: I kept sitting that blind and when it finally happened, oh,

873
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: right in the money, Like it was a little bit low,

874
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: but right behind the shoulder and uh, same side, same side.

875
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: When people would ask me, well, what tell me the story,

876
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: I remember Kobe was the first one I called on

877
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: my cell phone to tell him the story. He said, well,

878
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: what happened? I said, well, Kobe, remember how it happened

879
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: when you were there? He says, yeah, I said that's

880
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: what happened. So what do you mean, like, same same area,

881
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: same everything. I was like, yeah, same exact spot, almost

882
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: the same time of night when I hit him. He

883
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: ran in the same exact path out of this meadow,

884
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: and so I was like, you're giving way too much

885
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: away right now, we're supposed to spark their interests. So

886
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: they go and watch the video just right now, just

887
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: say like, and that's when the bowling happened. Yeah, the

888
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: bears and the coyotes met. It's it is a crazy

889
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: story because not only wound an animal and he comes

890
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: back to the exact same spot, like step for step,

891
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: it's a bowl that's supposed to be the smartest creature

892
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: on the planet or in the woods, does the exact

893
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: same thing after Well, you know what, I think. I

894
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: think that bull was thinking there's no way that guy

895
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: is gonna come back because he's not there, Like, but

896
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: what if that dude does come back, Like, why would

897
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: he come back? He shot me there, he thinks I'll

898
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: never come back. Yeah, that's the only place I am

899
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: going to. Yeah, but it was wild. But going back

900
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: to your question, like some of our videos like we

901
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: run five to seven minutes, but videos like that that

902
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: it's hard to tell that story in less than that

903
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: twenty three minutes. Like I have actually been working on

904
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 1: a an edit to shorten it up for a um.

905
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: The full draw film tour. But it's been hard because

906
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: it's hard to take away from the story, you know,

907
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: all the preparation, the scouting and everything that happened, because

908
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: it's just the way it was edited. Twenty four minutes

909
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: was just the way it was. I didn't think like, Okay,

910
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: I have to edit this at or twenty two or whatever.

911
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: I just edited the way I felt I liked it,

912
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 1: and then that's what works. Is that on the Hushing

913
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: channel to Yeah, that's on the Hushing channel. So if

914
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: you just search the fire Bowl ELK Hunt, it's the

915
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: beauty two. The beautiful thing about YouTube were so free

916
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: to do, you know. I remember being on the New

917
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: Mexico Hunt. You remember camping out and you're asking me

918
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: how long The day after I show me how long

919
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: we're going to make the film, and I was like

920
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: trying to make it under ten? What was it? What

921
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: did end up being eight? Fine? I mean nine minutes

922
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: told the story and I didn't need to put anything

923
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: else in there, you know, so go ahead. I was

924
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: just gonna say that. I kind of like the time constraints.

925
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: I like sort of it makes you creatively dig for

926
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: things when when you need to dig for things It

927
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: also makes you not be precious about a lot of

928
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: things too. Cutting down is a really cool process, and

929
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: like the collaborator nature working with editors and when you

930
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: guys do your own stuff, but we have it, you know,

931
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: we're working in teams and sort of having a bunch

932
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: of people craft this stuff. And you know, being precious

933
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: about stuff is for me, could be an issue if

934
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: I didn't have other people just to like the thing

935
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: that like I went to a writing school, you know, um,

936
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: and the thing that writers just pound and pound and

937
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: pound in you, and like every writer says, it's like

938
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: you gotta kill your babies. You gotta kill your babies,

939
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, um, meaning don't let like these moments that

940
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: you that you think are so greater, these things that

941
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: you're you that are so precious to you, like getting

942
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: the way of the greater good, you know. I remember,

943
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: like when I wrote my Buffalo book, Um, I wrote

944
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: it one d pages too long, you know, And I'm

945
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: telling you, man, I like fought over every word right

946
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: and I got it all done. It was just ridiculously long.

947
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: I went through an acts a hundred pages out of there, painful.

948
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: But now I'm like, I can't believe i' had that

949
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: garbage in area like later when you look at it's

950
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: like like I would take a whole chapter to just

951
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: grab a paragraph out of it, you know, but you

952
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: go like, well no, because I have like it's special

953
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: because I did it. Yeah, that's what it is. What

954
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: you get into your head like its special because I

955
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: did it, and and and I already got my time

956
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: r now, so now it's out there. And I think

957
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: that like having that discipline to go shorter we used

958
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: to get like we still get inquiries but be like, oh,

959
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: you guys should be an hour long, and I just

960
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: think like, oh yeah, it should be an hour long,

961
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: like me long show. Now I'm like I kind of

962
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: over time. I've just sort of like, I like twenty

963
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: two minutes because I feel like in twenty two minutes

964
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: you can when it's right, it could be just so

965
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 1: tight and fast. I watched the show without the ads though, right,

966
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: so I watched like the way it's meant to be,

967
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: and I sometimes remind myself, oh yeah, but it's broken

968
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: up my hands. But it's somehow science so fast and

969
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: has such a roller coaster quality to it. That's the best.

970
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: I said. It's like it's just like wham and people

971
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: be like, dude, I could watch that for an hour.

972
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm that makes me glad it was twenty

973
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: two minutes. I think a good way to gauge it

974
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: is if you watch it like a twenty two minute

975
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: video on YouTube. Does it feel like it's twenty two minutes?

976
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: Did you at the end of the video or you're like, well,

977
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: that was twenty two minutes. Were you like at the time,

978
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: you like, I mean TV, you guys are under restraint.

979
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: For you guys are twenty two minutes every episode, right, Like,

980
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: how much after you guys go out and film and

981
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: you guys turn the media into the editors, how much

982
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: do you sit down with the editors dan and and

983
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: go through with him and try to tell the story

984
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: or so, yeah, the whole process. I think that would

985
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: be interesting. So in the current form, so you honest

986
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: is the producer. So he will create, he will run

987
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: the pre production, he will plan things. He will create

988
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: a document called the treatment, which is the hope or

989
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: plan for the story to happen in the field. He'll

990
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: be there and will be in charge of capturing the

991
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: story both on camera and then in his head. And

992
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 1: in notes too later going to the post production process.

993
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 1: So that's um, yeah, but post producing the episode would

994
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: be working hand in hand with the editor every step

995
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: of the way. So basically we turn in a what

996
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: we call producer notes, which is so the treatments a

997
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: document at the beginning, and then after the shoot the

998
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: documents called the producer notes basically is an act by

999
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: act breakdown with possible vo already written, with really just

1000
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 1: a script or writing out the show. But that changes

1001
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: a lot, and it rarely is you know, actually the

1002
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: product because how many hours are you deal with? How

1003
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: many hours afore it's you know what people askid I

1004
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: don't even know it? And it depends. I mean, we

1005
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: shoot up to how many hours are on one ratio

1006
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: and oftentimes documentary style filming, which is what we do

1007
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: and which by the most hunters do you know when

1008
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: they're shooting their hunts, is you can get upwards of

1009
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: like fifty to sixty two one ratio. You can shoot

1010
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: almost an hour for one minute. Man, I'd say we

1011
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: should especially have multiple cameras going, which we often do.

1012
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: It's a lot more. I'd say it's a higher ratio

1013
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: than that, even especially counted Timelafs. I mean we come back,

1014
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: what say, eight full cards at a hundred twenty minutes each,

1015
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: and if you have two shooters, double that. You know

1016
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: you're talking about thousands of minutes of footage, maybe between

1017
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: one and three thousand minutes of footage. Um, so at

1018
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: that point could go up to a hundred of one. Sure. Yeah,

1019
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: but so and we have, you know, editors that we

1020
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: have been working with for a long time, and there's

1021
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: there's a couple of editors that specifically, Um, you can

1022
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: be a little less hands on, but you know, I

1023
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: Post I produced, in Post produced probably I don't know,

1024
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: fifty episodes of mediat And it just depends on who

1025
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: you were working with, whether or not you had to

1026
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: be really really directed. Yeah, you can editor to cut

1027
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: a few and they kind of know how you guys

1028
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: like them. I can just say being on that. You know,

1029
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: we were in the same camp a few years ago

1030
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 1: in New Mexico. I was blown away at the at

1031
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: the work you guys put in to capture an episode,

1032
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: like there was what they were? You were there did

1033
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: he was thearn. You guys had two other cameramen right,

1034
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: one assistant audio guy who's up there with this. Peter

1035
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: was out there with this. But there's four guys and

1036
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 1: then Steve and you guys were packing the long lens

1037
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: the DSLRs, and you guys packed back in for what

1038
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: a couple of nights there we carey a bunch of

1039
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: John Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine the excess amount

1040
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: of batteries you pack in on a hunt like that.

1041
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: And then SD cards and wild batteries are the limiting

1042
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: factor oftentimes, and and we'll have to either pack back

1043
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: to to recharge batteries or bring a that that becomes

1044
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: a limiting factor both for weight. Well, actually for a

1045
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: while we only had some manner batteries. Now we have

1046
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: like hundred and fifty of those big batteries now, so

1047
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: they each one pound. That's wild. It was wild to

1048
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: see though, Like you guys put a lot of time

1049
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: and effort into capturing. We finish out how it goes.

1050
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: So you didn't get it to the end though, though

1051
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break. Yeah, So finish out though,

1052
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: because you didn't get to the end of it gets made, okay, Yeah,

1053
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: So while the editor, the editor cuts it, and he

1054
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 1: cuts what we call a rough cut, which is about

1055
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: to time, so you know, maybe it's within a minute

1056
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: of the ending end running time hopefully, And then he

1057
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: sends we do around notes, so Steve gets it, I

1058
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: get it, yeah, and gets it. Um. Usually that's just

1059
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: about it, maybe one other person, and then we do

1060
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: around a very very specific critical notes on that cut

1061
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: goes back to the editor. There's a couple more days

1062
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: to get out of fine cut. We do the same

1063
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: process and other round of notes goes back to the editor.

1064
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: He works those notes out, and there's a lot of

1065
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: conversation always goes on in between that. Finally we get

1066
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: to what we call prelock cut, and we all kind

1067
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: of sign off on it. Record and sorry, there's other

1068
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: stuff in they're recording v O getting all that cut

1069
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: in doing rewrites for v O UM. But then finally,

1070
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 1: after you know, three to four week edit process and

1071
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: and a whole process, it's a heck of a lot

1072
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: longer than that than we have a so we finally

1073
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: finally craft these shows. You know, there's a there's a

1074
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: lot of people with a lot of brains and creativity

1075
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: working their butts off too to make these things the

1076
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: way they are. In the end, it feels natural. It

1077
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: does the product like you wouldn't guess. Yeah, you know,

1078
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: if you had to sit and watch those hundreds of

1079
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: hours of footage would be mind boggling. I can't even

1080
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: imagine trying to scrub through all that video. What what

1081
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: you guys, shoot race, you're doing YouTube video? When you

1082
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: say like fifty one, like we might get like fifty

1083
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: fifty minutes for every video. I don't know, Like I

1084
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: would say a couple of hours, a couple hours of

1085
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: of of like yeah, different point of views, go pro angles.

1086
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: But I bet like that New Mexico Hunt for example,

1087
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: I think it's eight nine minutes long. I bet I

1088
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: you cut through like three hours of footage and I'm

1089
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: like by the time I'm done, I'm just like, all right,

1090
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: just put it up, Like I'm so tired of watch

1091
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: myself talk and walk around the hills. But do you

1092
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: guys have any interest in the TV length type thing?

1093
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: I mean, that's something to interest you or you're you're

1094
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: just your YouTube all the way. I'm a YouTuber YouTuber,

1095
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: Like you have to get a new business cards. Yeah,

1096
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: I don't have business cards. I'm a YouTuber YouTuber have

1097
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: business cards? No. I I love the platform of YouTube.

1098
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: I love the possibilities on YouTube, and uh, that's just

1099
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: I mean every day Monday through Friday, one billion people

1100
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: log into that that that website, And so I mean

1101
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: it's just been cool. And I don't I don't really

1102
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: see see ourselves doing anything different. I love the freedom

1103
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: we have to do whatever we want, upload videos when

1104
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: we want. Um makes seven minute videos for twenty three

1105
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: minute videos like, So we're happy doing what we do.

1106
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, what do you think. I'm I'm

1107
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: committed to YouTube. I've done a lot of research, and

1108
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: I've been so intrigued by the platform for the last

1109
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: three or four years that I just feel like it's

1110
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 1: a good opportunity for me if it's what I want

1111
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: to do really well and what I enjoyed doing really well.

1112
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: The same conversation would happen about cassettes and CDs. You know,

1113
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: one day they're going to be talking about TV shows

1114
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: in the same way, Like remember when TV shows I

1115
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: didn't want to like trouble with you guys, But I yeah,

1116
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. We spent a ton of time talking

1117
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: about digital. Let's talk about what's what's happened? Yeah, I think,

1118
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't TV will ever be obsolete. But

1119
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: at the same time, like I would love to know

1120
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: the ratio of Americans, like people in America that have

1121
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: TV and have the Internet, and who has both, because

1122
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: I know I haven't had TV in five years. Like

1123
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: I can consume all my entertainment from Tina Neet and

1124
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: everyone has the Internet now everyone has access to the

1125
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: internet basically an iPhone, tablet, watch whatever. Well, we know

1126
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: for a fact that meat eater fans or meat eater

1127
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: watchers over are not watching it on the channel at

1128
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: the time edit airs, They're they're watching it through other means.

1129
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: We did, Yeah, we talked about tapes and c d

1130
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: s earlier. It's like, right at the time that that

1131
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: guy did that persuasion speech in communication one on one. Okay,

1132
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: an album that was out at that time was Counting

1133
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: Crows August and everything after. Now the guy that the

1134
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, whoever that guy is in that band, I

1135
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: don't think he was sitting around being like, but are

1136
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: they gonna listen to it on CD or cassette. It's

1137
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: like at a point it's like, if you have confidence

1138
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: in what you're making, you know what I mean, I

1139
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: don't spend too much time thinking about it being this

1140
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: show or that show. You know, like I'll spend the

1141
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: time I'm thinking about how people are going to consume it.

1142
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to get caught in a

1143
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: weird thing where we haven't thought our stuff out. But

1144
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, the basic format, the premise,

1145
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,479
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I know we'll find homes yeah

1146
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: for the stuff. I agree. I feel like if you're

1147
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: making I mean, content is king right. That's the old saying,

1148
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: like you make good content, it can live anywhere. Um,

1149
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: I feel like you guys could transform what you do

1150
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: now you're twenty two minutes onto two wherever, whatever digital

1151
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: platformat would do great. But you're you don't have to

1152
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: think about that right now. Just make good content. I

1153
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: get a little jealous of those TV shows on HBO

1154
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: or Netflix that like you get once twenty two minutes

1155
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: maybe good episodes to six. You kind of have that.

1156
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: That's that's pretty cool. You know what, here's one thing

1157
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: I want to do. How long we've been, how long

1158
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: we've been talking about There's one thing I want to do,

1159
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do the first one. Um,

1160
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: because people have such an interest in recording, capturing, hunts,

1161
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: fishing out of doors, whatever. I want to just go

1162
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: around the room for a while and very quickly say things.

1163
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: You give your findings, Okay, things you think. Um. One

1164
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: thing that I've found that that's become a personal thing

1165
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: for me is I really like and we go to

1166
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: great ends to establish hunting big game, okay, or any

1167
01:01:53,280 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: kind of hunting, to contextualize visually the hunter with the quarry.

1168
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: Because I'll point out right now I'm watching it's been

1169
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: out for Whi've been watching Planet Earth right, and Planet

1170
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: Earth you know, like tells the stories about Earth, but

1171
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: they tied in with the real bread and butter of

1172
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: that as predator prey interactions. Right, It's like they just punctuated. Well,

1173
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: they don't go four minutes about showing something eat something.

1174
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: Oftentimes they got great footage, right a snow leopard grabs

1175
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: the mark or and the mark or gets away. All

1176
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: the times they don't. So they'll show like Ethiopian wolf walking,

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01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: then they'll show a baboon looking nervous. Then they'll show

1178
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: the wolf, and they'll show the baboon, and they'll show

1179
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: the wolf, and they'll show the baboon and the baboon

1180
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: runs away and you go, you know what, never saw

1181
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: the damn babboon and the wolf in the same shot,

1182
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: And it's like like a weird kind of fuckery going on,

1183
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, And I hate that kind of thing to

1184
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: where I always feel like when we have a seque,

1185
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: it's where you've got like long lens foote, your footage

1186
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: of an ant one guy is filming an animal, a

1187
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: turkey coming in, and one guy is filming you, and

1188
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: later you're like bouncing like turkey, you, Turkey you. I

1189
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: always feel like the viewer's mind is open to the

1190
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: facts chains being jerked, and I breathed such a sigh

1191
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: of relief when there's that shot where there's like you

1192
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: or the hunter and the thing to get brought together.

1193
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: It's like the technical term is tying it in, Like

1194
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: a shot that ties it together, solidifies, it solidifies that

1195
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: action because when that happens that back and forth, everyone thinks,

1196
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: is this rail is just really going on? And it

1197
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: just solidifies that when it shows like an over the

1198
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: shoulder shot of you with your gun and there's the

1199
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: turkey and the the guy that like gave me eater,

1200
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: its visual look to to a huge degree is a

1201
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: guy named Mo found who shot Men the first ones

1202
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: and Mo, I don't know if you ever articulated it

1203
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: this way or not, but Mo had this sort of

1204
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: idea that was like that the viewer is your buddy.

1205
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: You'r the viewers your buddy with you, you know, and

1206
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: and if you watch the show, you like you start

1207
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: to kind of feel that where like the camera is

1208
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: often right where if you were with your buddy and

1209
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: your buddies hunting. It's like the cameras where you'd be

1210
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: where you'd want to be to be a participant in this.

1211
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: And that's sort of like over the shoulder shot when

1212
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: all of a sudden something comes into view and you

1213
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: got the person, and your person could be just blurry right.

1214
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: It's completely like out of the depth field, but it

1215
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: just feels so good. I remember that first season it

1216
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: was substantiated. I think, you know, we maybe after the

1217
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: second episode or something, we gotta Facebook comment that said,

1218
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: you know, I can't believe how you shot this and

1219
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: felt like I was right there with you, and that

1220
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: was you know, that is the point. It's those moments.

1221
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: It's like those moments where everything comes together in a

1222
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: way and we've even finding. Sometimes you're talking about something

1223
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: so far away. So we do a lot like open

1224
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: country hunting and your glass and stuff. We'll just go

1225
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: do an overshot. You know, someone will get back. I'll

1226
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: be talking about something I'm pointing and they just kind

1227
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:18,919
Speaker 1: of zoom over. You're never in a million years gonna

1228
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: pick it up, but you zoom over and you start

1229
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: to make out the landscape and then you can go

1230
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: to that tighter shot that shows it. But you do

1231
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: feel like you've been delivered to that point. It doesn't

1232
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: have this like arbitrary feel to it that makes it

1233
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: feel like TV, you know, because oftentimes when I'm watching stuff,

1234
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: I don't like to have any moment where I'm pulled

1235
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: out to question what's going on. And like, like I

1236
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: thought about watching the Planet Earth series. They show these

1237
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: they're showing like these polar bears making their first emergence,

1238
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: but the snow is covered in tracks like they've clearly

1239
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: been out a whole bunch of times. They keep going

1240
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: back in the den their first emergence. It's like we's

1241
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,479
Speaker 1: tracks throw over the place, like the entrance of the hold.

1242
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: I'll mud it up, you know, I'm like, why tell

1243
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: me that because now I'm sadden, you're thinking about why

1244
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: you said that when it's not the way it is.

1245
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: So just have it be that he's coming up is

1246
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: then and I'll enjoy it. I won't be like distracted,

1247
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: you know. And so I'm always like when I'm watching

1248
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: our stuff, I'm always like, what are the things that's

1249
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: gonna catch someone and pull him out of the reality

1250
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: I want him to experience and make him enter into

1251
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 1: the reality of his head as a skeptical viewer. Yeah,

1252
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: you know. Another example of that, to take it even

1253
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: further is like if you are cooking a piece of

1254
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 1: meat over a fire, there's something magical and beautiful about

1255
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: a shot that actually without cutting away pans from that

1256
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: piece of meat up to your face. Rather than having

1257
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: two shots where you just have a shot of that

1258
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: meat on the fire, you have a shot of the face.

1259
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: Like that's fine, that's great TV. That's you know, you

1260
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: can do that well. But there's something specific about that

1261
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: uninterrupted either having both objects in the frame and exactly

1262
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: the same time, or being able to swing and move

1263
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: without actually cutting the shot. There's it's something seamless and

1264
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: um important that happens in being a place gives it

1265
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: more realness. Like its exactly like with a kill shot, right,

1266
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: like you know, like you can either do that over

1267
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: the shoulder kill shot where you're in the frame, the

1268
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: animals in the frame focused, your shoulder might be out

1269
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: of focus. And I remember, like you guys first season

1270
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: there was a lot of that. I love that shot.

1271
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: But like if you are zoomed in on the animal

1272
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: after the kill shot and then that swing to the yeah,

1273
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: just gives it that realness, you know. So we'll deal

1274
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: it like dealing cards. So that makes Dan's up. They

1275
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: are just finding just one tip, just like a thing,

1276
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: man like, like like like an example of what I'd

1277
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: escaped for for people who want to like people, um,

1278
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: people who want to capture their stuff, because so many

1279
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: people now want to capture their stuff. Man. Yeah, when

1280
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: I go out fishing, even when fishing on Lake Washington,

1281
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: the guy out there fishing without without all right, So

1282
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: I'll say very basic one that's that's not very sexy

1283
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: but super important is just learn what the heck you're

1284
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: doing with your equipment. No how practice enough, read enough,

1285
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: have somebody show you how to use your camera and

1286
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: you actually use it and audio. Actually let me make

1287
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 1: that my point. If you have crappy audio and it's

1288
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: it's not like your quality will never rise. I mean

1289
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: you still might have a successful video I don't know.

1290
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: But have an actual microphone mike deup, know how to

1291
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: manage it, have good levels so people can hear what

1292
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 1: you're doing, and uh learn how to make a shot

1293
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: with cameras, and and learn how to be steady. Don't

1294
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: don't be wobbly, I don't just practice. Can you do

1295
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: audio without getting into like audio equipment? Do you mean

1296
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 1: just give I mean, yeah, a lot of cameras have

1297
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: onboard um mikes that that may be okay in most situations,

1298
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 1: but you get in some wind, or you get in

1299
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: in some other type of scenario and it's no longer

1300
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: going to be good. Get a cheap lava mike. Get

1301
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: a cheap mike to put on your on your shirt.

1302
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: Lava mics now the road makes them, and you can

1303
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 1: download the app that you can plug it directly into

1304
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: your phone and it gets great audio and it's not

1305
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: a lot of money. It's like honor bucks for the

1306
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 1: law and a zoom recorder. Just spend a little time

1307
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,679
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, learn what you're doing with your stuff.

1308
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: I had to learn that all myself. Like I started

1309
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: shooting before I knew how to operate a camera, and

1310
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: it was tough, you know. But my finding and we

1311
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: get told, I mean, we could ask a lot about

1312
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 1: how we got into filming and stuff. And I feel

1313
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 1: like now we're talking to not people that are trying

1314
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: to create TV shows necessarily people were trying to capture

1315
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: the capture stuff. My my finding is just do it.

1316
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean, the way. And this was going back to

1317
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 1: like me talking about cutting from VCR to VCR with

1318
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: that big giant VHS when I was trying to record

1319
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: me snowboarding is technology is crazy, man. There's some great

1320
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 1: cameras out there that somebody can pick up for three

1321
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: four bucks and you can record some amazing stuff. And

1322
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: I think for most beginners is they think they have

1323
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: to have all the nicest equipment and they have to

1324
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: go through film school. I don't know, It's just get

1325
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 1: a good camera and go out and capture moments, because

1326
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: that's what it's all about, is you're trying to relive

1327
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: those moments one day. You know, if you're not trying

1328
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 1: to put out a TV show or YouTube channel, you

1329
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: just want to capture your your hunts. Just do it

1330
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 1: and figure it out. Go out and shoot wildlife, and

1331
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: shoot your buddies shooting it, deer and shoot, try to

1332
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 1: film yourself and just learn and do it. Because even

1333
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: after we started hunting, sometimes and I'm sure you get

1334
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: this way, sometimes we're on a hunt for ten days

1335
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: and it's like, all right, leave the camera at home.

1336
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 1: I don't care if we get the kill shot. I

1337
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: want to end this thing. And then I've done it

1338
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: a few times, I'm ountain shot something and I thought,

1339
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 1: how stupid was that for me not to have the

1340
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: camera going. It's easy to set up a camera, it's

1341
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: easy to have your buddy hold a camera. It might

1342
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: not be the most professional footage, but it's a memory

1343
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 1: that you can relive, and it goes back to like

1344
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: talking about, uh, you know, exploiting animals. One of the

1345
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 1: coolest things I think about hunting is seeing old school

1346
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: pictures from like my grandpa's time and my great grandpa's

1347
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: time and going through those and seeing what hunting was

1348
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: like back then. You know, they everyone had a twenty bock,

1349
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 1: you know, in the back of the truck. But it's

1350
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: so cool to relive that through these pictures, and I

1351
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 1: feel that way with what we're filming. One day, my

1352
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: great great grandkids are gonna go be able to go

1353
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 1: and watch My adventures on if it's YouTuber wherever. But

1354
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 1: it's just capturing those moments one time. Yeah, so I my, my, my.

1355
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: I would just say, if you want to just go

1356
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: out and capture, you know, some footage of you hunting,

1357
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: just do it. Get a good camera. You can use

1358
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: your damn phone almost like the phone to take amazing footage,

1359
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: but go out and buy you a four camera and

1360
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 1: just start doing it. I gotta get started something. Well, yeah,

1361
01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna say, is just get out

1362
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: there and get art it. So I have to think

1363
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: of something else. Um. But one of the things that

1364
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 1: come to me when a lot of people approached me

1365
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: and say, hey, I got this awesome you know hunt

1366
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 1: on film. Do you want to use it for your

1367
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: next project, your next DVD, YouTube, whatever it is. And

1368
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: sometimes I've been like, yeah, like cool, let's let's check

1369
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 1: it out. And yeah, I got the kill shot and

1370
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: that's it. I'm like, this is a great kill shot,

1371
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: and and the kill shot can be very important in

1372
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 1: the hunting film or hunting TV show or something that

1373
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: we do on YouTube. But there it is. It is,

1374
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: It is that sliver of you know, that second or

1375
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 1: two seconds, and that's it. The rest of the hunt

1376
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 1: and the story is like you said earlier, is that

1377
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 1: fifty hours of b roll footage and all the other

1378
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 1: cool stuff. So my advice would be to film everything, Like,

1379
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: pack a lot of memory cards. The worst thing is

1380
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: running out of memory cards when you're out there and

1381
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 1: you're trying to delete all your other things so you

1382
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: can film the next thing. Yeah, you're doing having your

1383
01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: last one on accident, film the next one. So yeah,

1384
01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: be prepared with memory cards, um, and just film a

1385
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 1: lot of cool stuff and and think outside the box.

1386
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 1: Think what's a cool point of view? Can I stand

1387
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,520
Speaker 1: behind this tree or get these you know, these flowers

1388
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 1: in the shot and just trying to different things in experiment.

1389
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 1: And then when you get into the room to cut it,

1390
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: I find that it's the most random clips that I'm like,

1391
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 1: that is so cool, Like the sun just hit just

1392
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: right on this one clip, and I didn't think it

1393
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: was that cool because I was filming was your feet.

1394
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: So just film a lot of be real stuff because

1395
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 1: when it comes to editing a story, you can't You

1396
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 1: can't add a hunt with just a kill shot. So

1397
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 1: get a lot of other b real footage and you

1398
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 1: have a lot more to work with. I think I

1399
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,719
Speaker 1: think the things weird because I think that some people

1400
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 1: kind of tend to fetishize the kill shot in that

1401
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: if we're talking about like if you want to capture

1402
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: the reality but hunt, you're trying in some way capture

1403
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: the experience of it. When you're hunting, the kill shot

1404
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: is like you don't even really log it in your

1405
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: own mind. I mean, it's just like a damn, it's done,

1406
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: it's gone, or you don't even know what happened. I

1407
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 1: oftentimes want to look at the footage to find out

1408
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: what the hell I just saw happen. And so I've

1409
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: tend to be like I tend not to react, like

1410
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: I try not to one. I try not to take

1411
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: in a lot of media that is just like what

1412
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make, because I'm always afraid of what

1413
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,440
Speaker 1: my influences will be, or that I'll wind up responding

1414
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: not from an honest place. I won't like create ideas

1415
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: or perspectives from an honest place, but it will always

1416
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: be like I'll be reacting to whatever happened to me

1417
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 1: last or whatever I saw last, So going against that.

1418
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: I have noticed this like kill shot thing right steady,

1419
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: like playing it again and again and again, you know,

1420
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 1: and it's just to me as in some ways felt

1421
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: a little bit ugly and so in a way that

1422
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: I have reacted to what I saw in him way,

1423
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 1: maybe it's just to go against and not make such

1424
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: a big deal out of that. I kind of like

1425
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 1: it when we don't even have it, or you don't

1426
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: even know what happened, Like you just see something that

1427
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: happened and it's like, that's like what it seems like. Though, yeah,

1428
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 1: it's like it's one of those moments in life that

1429
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: happens so fast that it's kind of a blur. You

1430
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: may be like I feel like I saw a puff

1431
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: of hair, but I could be wrong. I swear I

1432
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 1: saw a puff of hair, or I don't know. It

1433
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: seemed to do this when I shot and you're trying

1434
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: to replay the figure of if you had a good

1435
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 1: hit or not, you know, and you realize the minute

1436
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: you get uh to me you hit something and that

1437
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: runs off. You realize how frail your recollection of what

1438
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 1: just happened is because you often can't put it together.

1439
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 1: You're like, I feel this, I feel that, you know,

1440
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 1: or you might get lucky and you noticed it, like

1441
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: the belly lifted, the back arched up right, and that

1442
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 1: probably logged in your head just from past experiences that

1443
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 1: when you see that, you know it's dead or he

1444
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: slouches the wrong way, and for past experiences like that

1445
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 1: didn't look good. You don't, you know, so that might

1446
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: stick in your head because it triggered some memory. But

1447
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: often you have no idea, and so I like stuff

1448
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 1: that usn't just sort of like glorify this, this blood

1449
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:07,440
Speaker 1: splattered moment, not out of any deference to people's sensitivities,

1450
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 1: but just because I feel like that's what it is.

1451
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 1: That's what it's like. I agree in going back to

1452
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: like talking about you know, being you know, the hr

1453
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 1: for for hunting and showing people that you know, are

1454
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 1: outside of of what we do looking in is it

1455
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 1: is it's such a small just a sliver of the

1456
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 1: experience and the story, right, Like that's not the ending, right,

1457
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 1: I still think it's important. One thing I always want

1458
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: to see we're out in the field, everybody does we

1459
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: all want to see it. It is important, but like

1460
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: like Steve is saying, like you watch some of these

1461
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 1: shows and they glorify it so much, like they play

1462
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 1: it like they hang their hat on it ten times,

1463
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: slow motion reverse upside down. It's like, Okay, I got

1464
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 1: that you killed that animal, and it's cool. Like as hunters,

1465
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: we know how hard you have to work to get

1466
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,679
Speaker 1: to that point to pull the trigger. And so that's

1467
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,919
Speaker 1: kind of like the the I did it, you know,

1468
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 1: But I agree, like in my eyes, like I hate

1469
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: seeing stuff over like overplayed, and that's to kill a shot,

1470
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: like yeah, put it in there, you need it. It's

1471
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: like kind of like the button. Almost. I was at

1472
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 1: an awards. I was at an awards ceremony one time,

1473
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: Like I said, what it was, but I was at

1474
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: an awards ceremony and they had a what most of

1475
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 1: the band it felt like ten minutes. Maybe it wasn't

1476
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: ten minutes a kill shot, real, dude, it just got

1477
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 1: to be a bit much. But like I said, me

1478
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: not wanting me not wanting to fetishize kill shots isn't

1479
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:41,799
Speaker 1: out of sensitivit or difference. Because I used to say,

1480
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 1: if you look at like old guidelines for outdoor TV.

1481
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: It would be like, oh, you can't, She'll look, she'll

1482
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 1: the kill shot more than seven times in a row,

1483
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: really know, And in the next sentence, no bloody hands,

1484
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: no raw meat. Really you couldn't have raw flesh, right,

1485
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: It was a guideline. It was a guy like show

1486
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: a kill shot seven times, not more and sometimes but

1487
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 1: you cannot have a host have blood on his hands.

1488
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 1: So like our shows like an Avatar, I mean our

1489
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,839
Speaker 1: shows like a like a like a butcher show sometimes

1490
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 1: like sometimes we'll have five minutes of butchering. So it's

1491
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 1: not like that. I'm sort of it's something I'm going like,

1492
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: oh no, I don't want to show anything unsanitary here.

1493
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 1: It's just a personal thing to me that I just

1494
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: think it's not it's just not that cool. And there's

1495
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 1: also like, sure, there's people that want to see it.

1496
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: But if I was in a business to just give

1497
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 1: viewers what I thought they wanted, I'd be like, I

1498
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 1: don't know, I would have gone into making like, uh,

1499
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: lucky charms, breakfast cereal, you know. I mean, it's like

1500
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm not here to like make lucky charms, do you

1501
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean? It's like, sure, kids want seal

1502
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 1: lots of sugar. Let's just put more sugar in there

1503
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 1: and see if they like it better. It's like and somebody,

1504
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, sure, you probably want to see a bunch

1505
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 1: of kill shot stuff. You're not gonna find it here.

1506
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm sorry, you know, I'm not gonna like

1507
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: bow to your base in things. And in some way,

1508
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 1: but again there's a level of hypocrisy because when we're out,

1509
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 1: that's the only thing I ever make the guys play

1510
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 1: for me, that's the only thing you want to want

1511
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 1: to see. I'm like, what do you replay it? Seven times?

1512
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 1: Not especially We're sitting there doing the old forty minute

1513
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 1: wait for track something and I'm like, dying, let me

1514
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:20,679
Speaker 1: see again, let me see again, let me see the again.

1515
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,679
Speaker 1: Then we analyze, well, what happened? As a hunter, I

1516
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: I do the same thing because there's something that happens

1517
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 1: when you take a shot at an animal, and it's like,

1518
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 1: almost instantly, unless that animal just takes a nose dive,

1519
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: almost instantly, you start second guessing yourself, You start doubting yourself,

1520
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: you start thinking of everything bad that could have possibly

1521
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: just happened. Too. So when you rewatch it because we

1522
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 1: do the same thing. I'm like, did I hit him?

1523
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 1: Where to hit him? Where where was it at? And

1524
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 1: did I miss something in there? And so it like

1525
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 1: gives you that reassurance I did make a good shot

1526
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:53,640
Speaker 1: or you didn't. You know, have you ever own a

1527
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: doll sheet? No? So it's all the stuff, like what's

1528
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: the legal ram? Yeah, you know, you shoot a ram

1529
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: that like most Alaska. You can shoot a ram that's

1530
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 1: eight years old, which you determined by growth rings, which

1531
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 1: you're very hard to see. You can shoot it RM

1532
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 1: it's a double broom which means he's broken off his

1533
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 1: lamb tips on each side, which is sometimes very obvious,

1534
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:17,719
Speaker 1: sometimes like not at all obvious. Or you can shoot

1535
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: ram it's full curl mean degree, it's horn, which is

1536
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 1: sometimes very obvious, sometimes not obvious. You shoot a ram

1537
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,600
Speaker 1: and he falls down. It is the worst moments of

1538
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: your life, the time it takes to walk over to

1539
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:39,799
Speaker 1: that ram or moose with the tip tip, the worst

1540
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: minutes of life. With a camera rolling, it's even worse

1541
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 1: because you might entertain the idea of everyone just keep

1542
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 1: him quiet with a camera and stuff. It's like, yeah, yeah,

1543
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 1: what's at the end of the trail, because it's weird

1544
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 1: you do. That's I don't know if it's human nature

1545
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: or what, but like before you pull the trigger, you

1546
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 1: were you're enough to shoot? Yeah, you were sure enough

1547
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 1: to shoot. But as soon as you do, it's like, alright,

1548
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 1: was that legal? Was that really what I thought? I saw? Oh,

1549
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:16,759
Speaker 1: man's got too many tips? I think, just a quick

1550
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: thought on the kill shot thing, because we do strive

1551
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 1: to get it, but I'm glad that it's we don't

1552
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: have to hang our hat on it. We can make

1553
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 1: a show without a kill shot, no problem. Um. But

1554
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 1: for me personally, it's like so anticlimactic. I love to hunt.

1555
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 1: I love the chase, and it's like it's soon even

1556
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 1: if that animal just fault dirt naps, you know, which

1557
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: is like a kind of a nasty way of saying,

1558
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 1: like you just made a great shot and it just

1559
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,679
Speaker 1: fell over, you know, dead right there in his tracks.

1560
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 1: But at that point, my hunt's over. You know. It's

1561
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: like now the work starts and like I'm not out

1562
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 1: chasing anymore. I'm not gonna go tomorrow morning. I'm not

1563
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: gonna even if I go hike the same ridge line.

1564
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm not out hunting anymore. Let's have more tags in

1565
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 1: my pocket. But you know what I mean, it's like,

1566
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 1: even though you're you're just trying to get to that

1567
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 1: moment so hard it anti climax. Even as a producer,

1568
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 1: don't you just feel complete and utter relaxation after it

1569
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 1: happened as a producer. It's different as a producer. But

1570
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: that was just my personal thought tip. And this isn't

1571
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 1: just for someone trying to capture their hunt, but I

1572
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: think four people that are trying to maybe do a

1573
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 1: little bit more than just capture a hunt, whether it's

1574
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 1: full draw film to or you know, something like that

1575
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 1: is we see a lot of like people are putting

1576
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 1: too much effort into the beauty shots I think, as

1577
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 1: opposed to like the basics that you were talking about.

1578
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,679
Speaker 1: And that would be my tip, Like don't worry about

1579
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: the sliders and the jibs and the cameras flying through

1580
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 1: trees and stuff like. Just work on documenting what's going on,

1581
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: I think would be my tip. You know, and trying

1582
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 1: to be the skinnerd Um. One of the guys, Leonard

1583
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 1: skinnerd once said, learn how to play a guitar, then

1584
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 1: get sexy. It's a good point. But I think you're honest.

1585
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 1: You're referring to all a heck of a lot of

1586
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 1: hunting videos that are beautifully shot, and then it's all

1587
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 1: vi O just kind of they all kind of sound

1588
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 1: the same, sappy, like oh, it's so beautiful to be

1589
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 1: in the woods in the fall, and like, you know,

1590
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: that's what comes in with going in without a story

1591
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 1: in mind. You're just going in logging. It's like people

1592
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 1: get in a situation where it is like log and

1593
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 1: log and log and log footage and literally sit down

1594
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: and go like, Okay, now I'm gonna impose some logic

1595
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 1: upon this, and it winds up being Yeah, and it

1596
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 1: requires on camera interaction. I think, I think what you're

1597
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, not to just shoot the beauty stuff, but

1598
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 1: it requires like hosting in a sense or something, or

1599
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 1: interaction between people, you know, capturing the actual people in

1600
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 1: the action, not just them walking a path and not

1601
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: them checking in, you know, because that's almost at that

1602
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 1: point it's it's it's a certain script because the person's

1603
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 1: been thinking about what they're gonna, you know, check in

1604
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 1: with at that moment. Can't get away from checking in,

1605
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 1: you can't, But you need to be getting that, and

1606
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 1: you know, just always be ready for when someone just

1607
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 1: starts talking and you're going, man, this is pretty cool,

1608
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:03,560
Speaker 1: Like I should be captured this. Yeah, I agree, And

1609
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 1: i'd say if you're a camera guy, don't be you're

1610
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 1: a camera guy who says I don't believe you there's

1611
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 1: there's no outcoming through. Yeah, but I feel like we

1612
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 1: can get away with a lot more or or certain

1613
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 1: things that you really can on TV, you know what

1614
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean. Like I think a lot of times I

1615
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 1: watch YouTube videos and you know, as serious as some

1616
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: of them try to be, and there's this interaction with

1617
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 1: the camera guy and the guy hunting, but that comes

1618
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: out of that. It's great hunting TV thing. Yeah, you

1619
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 1: think it happens, you know. I think in Hunting DV

1620
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 1: there's a great amount of there's like a tremendous amount

1621
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 1: of traditionally, a tremendous amount of interaction between the film

1622
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 1: the filmer, the cameraman and the hunter. Yeah. I think

1623
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 1: that there was a show for a while. The premise

1624
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 1: of the show was a dude filming his wife hunting.

1625
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 1: Really that was the that was the plot, you know.

1626
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've often wondered, like why is that

1627
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: why that world? Like is it because it's is it

1628
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 1: just a manifestation of it being so difficult to capture

1629
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff we're talking about, and these uncontrolled

1630
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: environments where you don't know what's gonna happen, and like

1631
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 1: there's a tremendous amount of uncertainty that you feel the

1632
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: tension of trying to capture it. And so as a

1633
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 1: way to buckle to that tension, you open it up

1634
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: and have it be a dialogue. You'll see stuff, I mean,

1635
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:29,639
Speaker 1: like great shows you see like you here the guy,

1636
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: did you get that? And they gotta be all excited

1637
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 1: and I don't know why they That intrusion is so welcome.

1638
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 1: The term I learned this term just the production. They

1639
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 1: call it like breaking the fourth wall. So imagine like

1640
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 1: if you were filming this room right here, right, we

1641
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 1: got the three walls, but then this wall is where

1642
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:48,680
Speaker 1: the camera set up to break the fourth walls to

1643
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 1: turn and see what's here and um, and we try

1644
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:58,759
Speaker 1: to do it uh very carefully, not very often. Yanni

1645
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: might have been before he was even doing what he

1646
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 1: was doing, like yeah, he was just a gear pack,

1647
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:05,759
Speaker 1: or you might have been the first wall break spotting

1648
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 1: the grizzly in camp really and all of a sudden

1649
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: it was like it's kind of like Mayber were talking

1650
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 1: about being adaptive to the story, Like the camp is

1651
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 1: way more tense than there are people on camera, Like

1652
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 1: it's like we're filming out of this camp, but it

1653
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 1: was a grizzly coming up into camp and we're like,

1654
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 1: did it? And um, I think some people like it.

1655
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 1: There's a sense of camaraderie there, you know, But for

1656
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 1: me personally, UM, I tend to not welcome that. And

1657
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 1: I don't know why. It's you know, like they do

1658
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: it in morning shows now and then they're like like

1659
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 1: the camera guys, you know, will be his birthday and

1660
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 1: you know, but it's like it doesn't happen in most

1661
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 1: forms of media. Have you seen that new show in

1662
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 1: NBC The Island. Have you heard about this where the

1663
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 1: camera guys were our buddy from town here is on

1664
01:26:56,479 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 1: it Smith, But totally in that whole concept, you know, now,

1665
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:04,719
Speaker 1: the camera guys are the talent and the right to character.

1666
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 1: He's a character and one of the shooters. But is

1667
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 1: he actually shooting a scripted in character? No actual shooting,

1668
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 1: so he's actually shooting so you didn't just go cast

1669
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 1: people to act like camera guys. The level of cynicism

1670
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 1: in some television that's we're running out to doesn't know

1671
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 1: they want to talk about. It's just like um grappling

1672
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 1: with Uh, you're grappling with your own relationship to the facts,

1673
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 1: Like what is your obligation And it's a it's a

1674
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:44,680
Speaker 1: personal thing. Everyone has a side for themselves. What is

1675
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 1: your obligation with reality? What is your obligation to reality

1676
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 1: in what you present happening? And it's a tricky subject

1677
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 1: because we're talking earlier. We filmed hundreds of hours, okay,

1678
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 1: in twenty two minutes come out. You know, Um, you're

1679
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 1: already making a huge judgment about what the trip was.

1680
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 1: You're saying, the trip was this twenty two minutes. Um,

1681
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 1: So you're already in some way like if you were

1682
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: like absolutely loyal, faithful to reality, even the editing process

1683
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 1: would be you wouldn't be able to you wouldn't do

1684
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 1: because you're already, like you already putting a spin on it,

1685
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, and inevitably because of issues of time, because

1686
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:32,560
Speaker 1: of issues of what's of interested people, of what's palpable

1687
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 1: people of just making a quality product. You end up

1688
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 1: fudging things such as what days something happened on. We

1689
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 1: try to we try hard to never to not mess

1690
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 1: with the sort of integrity of of of something that happened,

1691
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 1: but we do like Monday, nothing might happen, but some

1692
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:02,839
Speaker 1: moments from Monday might wind it's into Tuesday. Yeah, because

1693
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 1: it's not like toying with the it's not you're not

1694
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 1: like messing with you know, the pristinity of the thing

1695
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 1: or you know, you just sort of making a product.

1696
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 1: That's been our number one argument back. I'd say, since

1697
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 1: the beginning is time and how we manage time on

1698
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 1: the show, and and how it's hard to make an

1699
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:26,640
Speaker 1: eight day hunt where not much happened stay compelling the

1700
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 1: storyline the entire time, when you could you know, fudge

1701
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 1: a bid and and just show four days. So and

1702
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 1: I mean you're going to like nod and like trying

1703
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 1: to nod to the passage of time. Yeah, because it's

1704
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 1: like we have a thing too. It's like if it

1705
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 1: didn't happen on film, it didn't happen. If it didn't

1706
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 1: have en on film, forget it. We're not gonna talk

1707
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 1: about it. It just didn't happen. So yeah, it winds

1708
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 1: up being and I always walked that line when we're

1709
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 1: doing while within on travel Channel, there was tremendous pressure

1710
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 1: coming from all directions to just b s bullshit, really

1711
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 1: tremendous pressure. And um, now you're talking about freedom, like

1712
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 1: now we have freedom from the pressure to bullshit. But

1713
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's also it's like

1714
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:20,640
Speaker 1: you're trying to like do something and to capture the

1715
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 1: essence of it. Maybe to capture the essence of it,

1716
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 1: you do at times mess with chronology. Yeah, you know,

1717
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 1: we don't borrow dead animals from people. I hope you

1718
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, but I don't know. I guess

1719
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,599
Speaker 1: everything we bat That's one of the primary things we've

1720
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 1: battle about. It's that's a good question. I guess there's

1721
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 1: a fine line, like you know, you want to tell

1722
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:47,680
Speaker 1: I always tell people like the realest stuff is the

1723
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 1: best to me, that's what it excites me. And and uh,

1724
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 1: you can see through the BS I think. And so

1725
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 1: we've always, like we were talking earlier, like we never

1726
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 1: go back and reshoot shots or anything like that. Yeah,

1727
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 1: that's it's a hard decision. I mean, and we could

1728
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: make a lot better quality content. If we could go

1729
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 1: back and redo this kill shot or whatever, you know,

1730
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 1: you could make a better, higher quality video. But for us,

1731
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 1: it's about the reality of it. Like if I was

1732
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 1: to do that, I would go back and watch that

1733
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 1: video in a year from now and and I would

1734
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 1: hate it. I would hate that video because I knew it.

1735
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:29,719
Speaker 1: And but like what you're saying about, maybe Monday bleeds

1736
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 1: into Tuesday and Wednesday, you know, I think maybe, yeah,

1737
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 1: we fall we fall into that, Like, yeah, yeah, I

1738
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: could like, for example, the bear hunt we just put out.

1739
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 1: You know, we sat in the same stand for four nights,

1740
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 1: So say I needed a clip on that third night

1741
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 1: of you know, Casey climbing the tree stand that I

1742
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,720
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily film on the third night, but he did

1743
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 1: the exact same thing on the second night. I can

1744
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 1: pull you know, three or four seconds to him climbing

1745
01:31:57,560 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 1: up the tree stand, just to tie in that story

1746
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 1: a little bit better. But we do try to keep

1747
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 1: it as real and as raws as possible. But yeah,

1748
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 1: like piecing together the story, if you have that clip

1749
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 1: you need from two days before, I still think that's okay. Yeah,

1750
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 1: even like what you're saying that with the bear thing,

1751
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 1: Like let's say you hunted four nights. You go, let's

1752
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 1: just make it all one night. But every bear we

1753
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 1: saw came that night. Yeah, oh yeah, it looks like

1754
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:24,559
Speaker 1: an amazing yeah, which is yeah, we could have done

1755
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 1: That's that's a little bit, you know, well not not

1756
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,639
Speaker 1: in our case. We saw the same five bears every night.

1757
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 1: It would have been the same thing, the same five

1758
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 1: bears with just different lighting. Different, but not. We try

1759
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 1: to keep it real. But like things like that, I

1760
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 1: don't think it takes away from the realness, but it like,

1761
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's like b roll footage is you can

1762
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 1: kind of use that anywhere. It's just like what you're

1763
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:50,679
Speaker 1: talking about meeting somebody and it's so awkward. But now

1764
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:52,720
Speaker 1: you guys go into b roll with the v O

1765
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:55,599
Speaker 1: and it's not so awkward. It looks good. But but

1766
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 1: like when you're shaking the hand Dot, he's not really

1767
01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:00,799
Speaker 1: out there, you know, shooting b roll of the scenery

1768
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 1: or Bob or whoever. So I don't think it takes

1769
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 1: away the realness of it. But but you know, what

1770
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 1: you get into is like this, we we have a

1771
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 1: thing of get a concluding thought that's gonna be by

1772
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 1: concluting thoughts for dragon on. Um, you know you're watching

1773
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:20,760
Speaker 1: wildly coyote, road running, wildly coyote. Right, you're accepting all

1774
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 1: this stuff, you know, but then you see something that

1775
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:28,639
Speaker 1: you don't. It's just like outlandish. It's like, Okay, you're

1776
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 1: already accepting that, like coyotes and roadrunners have you know

1777
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:37,840
Speaker 1: that they have communication and mail order from ACMEE. It's

1778
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:41,679
Speaker 1: like the suspension disbelief. You know. I think that anyone

1779
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 1: who sits down to watch TV in this day and age,

1780
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 1: um knows they're watching product. You know, you're you're watching,

1781
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 1: but yes, you're watching product. You're watching something edited generally,

1782
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 1: like if a guy's out alone in the woods, I

1783
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 1: think that most viewers are savvy enough to be like,

1784
01:33:58,120 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 1: he's not out alone in the woods. I had a

1785
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 1: guy times say me, I can't believe the places you

1786
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 1: go alone. It's like, well, you just I mean, you're

1787
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 1: referring to a show you watch, and clearly some dudes

1788
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:10,639
Speaker 1: are shooting that show, you know, So there's like that

1789
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 1: like we're filming you know. Um, but within that, within

1790
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 1: that subtenion suspension, just believe. I do think that you

1791
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 1: do have some obligation. There's still obligations to the viewer.

1792
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:28,720
Speaker 1: Some people live free of that, and those people are

1793
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 1: going to reality television. Some people, um, don't live free

1794
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:36,479
Speaker 1: of that and have that that guilt or that problem

1795
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 1: or whatever's going on in their head, or they feel

1796
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 1: some fidelity to reality. Um. I struggle with it every

1797
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 1: day and I've tended to over time, had to to

1798
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 1: feel that fidelity grow, you know, the interest in the

1799
01:34:54,000 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 1: truth to increase rather than diminish. Um. That's Michael Cluton thought. Yeah.

1800
01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:05,439
Speaker 1: By concluding thought is a challenge to the greater hunting

1801
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:09,599
Speaker 1: community to step up the collective game of the quality

1802
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 1: of their video and storytelling ability, because I think it

1803
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:17,639
Speaker 1: says a lot to the wider world. Um, you know

1804
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:21,040
Speaker 1: what the hunting story is if it if it's told

1805
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 1: really terribly with bad camera working bad stories. I I

1806
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 1: challenge everybody to learn the craft and get real good

1807
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:33,360
Speaker 1: and make hunting something that doesn't look like a bunch

1808
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 1: of dorks in the woods that don't know what they're doing.

1809
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 1: That it's as beautiful as it is. Right. Yeah, I

1810
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 1: guess I'll chime in with with what Tody's saying is

1811
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:47,200
Speaker 1: not only uh, you know, good quality you know, tells

1812
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 1: a good story, but honesty, like we've been talking about,

1813
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:55,759
Speaker 1: and I really feel like a huge uh um supporter

1814
01:35:55,920 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 1: of people filming things that open the eyes of maybe

1815
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 1: non hunters and people that maybe don't know exactly what

1816
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: we do and capture those moments and share them because

1817
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 1: the reason most people don't enjoy what we do and

1818
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 1: don't believe in in hunting is because they're uneducated and

1819
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,840
Speaker 1: they just don't understand. And by us filming what we

1820
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 1: do and telling the on its true story, it's open.

1821
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:24,320
Speaker 1: It's really opened their eyes. And those are the comments

1822
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 1: I love reading more than anything. Is the people that

1823
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 1: we're anti hunters were vegetarians that they hated hunting before

1824
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:33,160
Speaker 1: and they watched our first video on their hooked and

1825
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:35,640
Speaker 1: they might not ever become hunters, but they understand what

1826
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:38,680
Speaker 1: we do know and that's through good storytelling. And I

1827
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 1: want to say good quality content, which you know, we

1828
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,519
Speaker 1: we can get away with not everything being perfect on YouTube,

1829
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 1: but I mean we do a really good job telling

1830
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 1: telling an honest story, I think yeah, And I think

1831
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of people like watching the channel,

1832
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:57,840
Speaker 1: just because of the realness and just showing people how

1833
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 1: much passion we have for we do I mean, how

1834
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 1: much respect we have for the animals and the land

1835
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:06,680
Speaker 1: they live in, and kind of sending that message through

1836
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 1: our videos is one thing that we like to do

1837
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:12,720
Speaker 1: is just showing that we're out there having fun. This

1838
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 1: is something that we love and uh yeah, I don't know,

1839
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 1: it's just fun to share it with people. I want

1840
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 1: to change my concluding thought that to be that everyone

1841
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:24,720
Speaker 1: should needs to go buy one of Yanni's Hunt to

1842
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 1: Eat T shirts. No, he's something I get to change

1843
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 1: mind because I was gonna finally have to plug my

1844
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 1: own ship. But you guys want to Hunt to Eat

1845
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 1: T shirt? I don't. But honestly, you know, hey, by

1846
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 1: the way, I don't know. We don't know when this

1847
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:42,559
Speaker 1: episode will air. But today we have Montana Hunt Eat

1848
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 1: shirts live. You can go buy them, which is apropos

1849
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:48,960
Speaker 1: to the fact that we're here in Montana. Is not

1850
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:53,679
Speaker 1: a paid sponsor, not at all. I buy a shirt today,

1851
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 1: it will be a paid sponsor. No, I'm staying. It's

1852
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:00,760
Speaker 1: like I'm not being bought and sold here. Okay, I

1853
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:06,719
Speaker 1: get I want to get squat making sure that Hearts

1854
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:09,559
Speaker 1: is a thriving T shirt business. And that Yanni becomes

1855
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:11,719
Speaker 1: a T shirt magnate that you children will read about,

1856
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:14,559
Speaker 1: that your children will watch videos about on YouTube. There

1857
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 1: you go. I've seen that shirt floating around social media.

1858
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:19,840
Speaker 1: I love that shirt doing on you should do an

1859
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 1: unboxing video your shirt. Yeah, it comes in plastic wrap.

1860
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:26,800
Speaker 1: Let's open the bag. Yet you got to change it

1861
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:29,639
Speaker 1: up so you're not like every other unboxed like unboxed

1862
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:31,719
Speaker 1: with your feet, and then it will be a little

1863
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:36,160
Speaker 1: bit different than the rest of Oh my gosh with

1864
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 1: a double rainbow unboxing shirt. That's a viral YouTube video.

1865
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 1: Now I want you to you get too concluding thoughts

1866
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 1: because I want to hear the plug you're going to

1867
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:47,360
Speaker 1: give this game it? Man, I got Montana hunting really

1868
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:50,559
Speaker 1: gonna use your concluding thoughts and plug T shirt business?

1869
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:53,920
Speaker 1: Of course not. Oh no, I didn't get to talk

1870
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 1: about the difference between hunting alone and hunting you know,

1871
01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:58,840
Speaker 1: with the camera crew. So I was just gonna touch

1872
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 1: on that because it never got around to me earlier.

1873
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:04,080
Speaker 1: Either way, he wears a hunts Eat T shirt, especially

1874
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:10,599
Speaker 1: during podcasts. It's a good reminder. Um, I relish the quiet.

1875
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:12,680
Speaker 1: We still get it because we do a good job.

1876
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:15,639
Speaker 1: I think of remembering too. That's why we're out there,

1877
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, hunting and to get those quiet moments. And

1878
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:21,000
Speaker 1: I think when everybody sees our upcoming Cusier episode, that's

1879
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:23,280
Speaker 1: going to really come through because we just like hung

1880
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:25,760
Speaker 1: out in the quiet for four days and enjoyed that.

1881
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:28,080
Speaker 1: But I always look forward to going out on my

1882
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 1: own hunts without you know, the crew, just because I

1883
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:35,799
Speaker 1: like just sitting there and just not not talking to anybody,

1884
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 1: just listening to the birds and then wind. And you've

1885
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 1: sacrificed a lot of that being in the line of

1886
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:45,880
Speaker 1: work that we're talking about here, what you guided a lot,

1887
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 1: and so guiding is probably not that quiet. But you've

1888
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 1: sacrificed a lot of your what would be alone time

1889
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 1: in the woods in order to get in a way

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Speaker 1: to get more time in the woods. But it's a

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Speaker 1: different time, you know. It's been a good, good sacrifice.

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Speaker 1: So that count is my concluding thought. Look at a

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Speaker 1: concluding thought. That doesn't count. Oh that's good, I missed

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Speaker 1: my quiet haunts. Well that's all right, buy one of

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Speaker 1: Johnnie shirts he misses his quiet haunts. Um casey do

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Speaker 1: a final like give get everybody run down? How to

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Speaker 1: find go to YouTube dot com slush hushing with Lavie

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Speaker 1: or just type in get hushing um and it will

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Speaker 1: come up. And this goes to YouTube types of hushing.

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Speaker 1: What happens. It will come up spell hushing, h U

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Speaker 1: s h I n hushing. Yeah. Go just type in

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Speaker 1: hushing in the YouTube browser. Come up. Go watch some

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Speaker 1: more our videos. They're good. What's the best? Like if

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Speaker 1: you could have people watch one, what would you have watched? Um,

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Speaker 1: I shot a video, not the fireball. No, I would

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Speaker 1: say is like this is I'm not trying to plug

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Speaker 1: our channel. I'm trying to plug Eric here. Like it's

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Speaker 1: one of the most amazing honeymoon I've ever seen. Like, um,

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Speaker 1: he captured the whole whole story, and it's an amazing story.

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Speaker 1: You told about it. Go watch the fireball hunt. There's

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Speaker 1: a couple of videos I'm really passionate about. I did

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Speaker 1: my It took my son on his first hunt. Not

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Speaker 1: he wasn't hunting. He was with me on an analyt

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Speaker 1: punt last year and it worked. It just was an

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Speaker 1: awesome hunt. And uh, there's a couple of them. Go

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Speaker 1: go watch all of them. I think there's a hundred

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Speaker 1: now close to so Yeah, type in hush and you

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Speaker 1: get the whole sportus board. If you got twenty two

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Speaker 1: minutes to kill and you've watched every meet or that

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Speaker 1: it was ever made, first, type in the firebowl. I

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Speaker 1: have one request. If you click on the video, you

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Speaker 1: gotta watch the whole thing, though, No no skipping. Once

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Speaker 1: you click you're committed, don't don't skip the pre the

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Speaker 1: pre roll ads. That's how we make her. I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 1: So there's all your stuff. All your stuff lives on hushing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the most for the most part, most of my videos

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Speaker 1: as of recent all of my videos recently are on

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Speaker 1: the hush and channel. And these boys get this make

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Speaker 1: a living making hunting videos on YouTube. Yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: said at the top of the damn Yeah. I think

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Speaker 1: we kind of covered that, but that would not be

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Speaker 1: what we talked about earlier, right, do you want Do

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Speaker 1: you want people to know that a fellow can just

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Speaker 1: go out and make hunting videos and make a living. Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I do. People think like it's like this hidden secret

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to hide from. I want everyone to do it.

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Speaker 1: I want I want you to go and make videos

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Speaker 1: on YouTube. I want everyone to go to YouTube, make

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Speaker 1: hunting videos because it just makes it powerful, more powerful,

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Speaker 1: brings more eyeballs. But uh yeah, and I don't have TV,

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Speaker 1: so it's hard for me to watch your TV show.

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Speaker 1: We'll start stream start putting that stuff on the on YouTube. Listen,

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Speaker 1: tell me the best way to string your your show

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Speaker 1: me eater dot vh X, dot TV perfect. And we're

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Speaker 1: gonna put a whole bunch of more videos on YouTube

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Speaker 1: in the near future. We're cutting a whole hundred or

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Speaker 1: so episode series of how to tips. It's going to

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Speaker 1: go on the meat Eater how to with the whole

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Speaker 1: meat Eater like a ton of people, like loosely affiliated

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Speaker 1: people you've seen on episode, just like a ton of

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Speaker 1: people doing it cool. Yeah, I love that stuff. I

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Speaker 1: mean I've watched all all of them, most everything on

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Speaker 1: that channel, behind the scenes stuff. It's fun. Alright, guys,

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Speaker 1: thanks for tuning in. Bows in Montana. Um watch them

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Speaker 1: Hushing watch the fire bowl he gets he kills in

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Speaker 1: the end. Alright, guys, thanks for joining