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Speaker 1: What is Up? Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Mets Up Podcast. We've got some moves. Griffin

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Speaker 1: Canning sign with the New York Mets. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about it and tell you why we love

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Speaker 1: the move so much. We got Anthony Goes, we got

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Speaker 1: Luis f four Tez, Jesus Lozardo traded in division from

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Speaker 1: the Marlins to the Philly. So we're gonna talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about the pitching market, and then the biggest

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Speaker 1: thing of all is gonna be talking about ped Alonso

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Speaker 1: because the first market is moving and the one guy

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Speaker 1: who's not is ped Alonsos. We have a lot to

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Speaker 1: how much it does. Without further Ado James a couple

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Speaker 1: days before Christmas, that's got a tiny little stocking stuff

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Speaker 1: for here with Griffin Canning. What were your initial reactions

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Speaker 1: because I feel like they were spread all over the

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Speaker 1: place on Twitter of like it, hate it, What the

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Speaker 1: fuck are the Mets doing? David starts a sleeping First

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Speaker 1: initial reaction was just annoyed with us because we always

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Speaker 1: like do these podcasts late at night just to make

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Speaker 2: And we finished recording like twenty and as before this happened.

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, you have to be kidding me.

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Speaker 2: I was like, you want to go back on You're like, no,

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Speaker 2: we got it next time, Like, all right, fine, next time.

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Speaker 2: But I think I think a lot of Mets fans

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Speaker 2: are a little bit angsty with the way this offseason

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Speaker 2: has been going, like since we got one so tho

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Speaker 2: a few weeks ago, and a lot of Mets fans

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Speaker 2: specifically angsty about the rotation and more so the top

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Speaker 2: of the rotation. So seeing Gryffin Canning, who a lot

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Speaker 2: of especially beat writers and other Mets people pointed out,

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Speaker 2: was like.

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Speaker 1: Statistically the worst picture of baseball season. He was, but

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Speaker 1: you can't be the worst pitcher in baseball unles. He

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Speaker 1: threw hundred sevent innings. I think that was a huge deal.

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Speaker 2: When I saw that Gryffin Canning through one hundred seven

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Speaker 2: innings last year, after being injured over and over and

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Speaker 2: over again for this entire portion of his career, I

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Speaker 2: was like, Oh, that's a really good thing. I'm like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: that's a really that's workload. The fact that he got

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Speaker 2: to after being one hundred thirty the year before, one

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy, his first year of fully clean health

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Speaker 2: that he's seemingly ever had in his career, that's a

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Speaker 2: really nice thing.

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Speaker 1: I do think there is some there's some. I'm not

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna pretend that Griffic Canning has always become a.

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Speaker 2: Superstar, frontline star the in this Mets team, but there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff about Griffin Canning's games. I think

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Speaker 2: that the Mets can use and mold and for four

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Speaker 2: and a half million dollars can be an incredible value

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Speaker 2: that we're going to look back on in July. Be

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Speaker 2: like nice, Gryffith Canning's a three six cra in multiple roles,

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Speaker 2: Like I'm really happy besides him.

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Speaker 1: I think it's funny because last offseason it was Severarino,

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Speaker 1: it was Manaia, and it was Adrian Hauser for everybody

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Speaker 1: Manaya of like, get some guys in here that's gonna

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Speaker 1: fill our chiep pitching in that price range, and then

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Speaker 1: Adrian Howser was like four million dollars last for those

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Speaker 1: of you who don't remember as well. Feels like Griffin Kennings' Adrienhauser.

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Speaker 1: If he stinks he's gone, David Stearns doesn't care. They'll

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Speaker 1: get rid of him. If he's any good, even better

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Speaker 1: because he's free. I think at the back end of

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Speaker 1: As of right now, he's more of the depth starter,

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Speaker 1: You might be able to squeeze some juice out of

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Speaker 1: be useful. I think it was also a little bit

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Speaker 1: lazy too to call him the worst picture in baseball,

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Speaker 1: like you said, throwing one hundred and seventy innings like that,

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Speaker 2: I think Otani specifically said too, that he made all

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Speaker 2: of his advancements going outside the organization the Angels, and

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Speaker 2: I think Red Detmer is also the same. I think

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Speaker 2: he gave a quote to, you know, serious the Athletics

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Speaker 2: saying that, like I realized I had to bring my

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Speaker 2: development and put on my own shoulders, which is a

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Speaker 2: real slap in the face the organization he plays for.

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Speaker 2: But it's a big deal. I think when you're able

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Speaker 2: that we know isn't good at developing, because you know

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Speaker 2: it's still some upside left. When you sign a guy

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Speaker 2: the Rays, the Guardians, you know that they've already made

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Speaker 2: all the necessary tweaks that could possibly make to get

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Speaker 1: Canning is tweakless. Canning is no, he's tweakless, like he's

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Speaker 1: a lot of ups no tweaks, no tweaks, never made

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Speaker 1: a tweak yet. But he was a first it was

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Speaker 1: a second round draft pick. He had pretty good prospect patigree.

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Speaker 1: He's dealt with a ton of injuries, and I think,

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Speaker 1: to me, there are some pretty obvious things that the

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Speaker 1: such an easy one. He threw his fastball last year

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Speaker 1: forty percent of the time. It was his most thrown

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Speaker 2: So and that was his most thrown pitch. And even

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Speaker 2: Adding the iv B so you think gets some velossy

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Speaker 2: likely thing that's going to happen Griffin Canning is that

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Speaker 2: he's going to work on developing a sinker. He mixed

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Speaker 2: very good slider that kind of has that like super

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Speaker 2: I think, suddenly you have a guy that can keep

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Speaker 2: ball noer. He profiles weirdly similarly. This is gonna sound

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Speaker 2: crazy to Jordan Montgomery. Yeah, he's He's a couple of

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Speaker 1: So I think you mix those together, you just.

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Speaker 2: Have a soft contact guy who might be able to

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Speaker 2: a swing man in the mess ball. But I'm not

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Speaker 2: telling you who McGriffin. Canning's going to become a front nine pitcher,

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Speaker 2: and I'm telling you he's going to be a trustworthy

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Speaker 2: three or four. I'm saying that for four million dollars,

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Speaker 2: I think there's a good chance this winds up as

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Speaker 2: a deal, and if not, you just get rid of them.

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Speaker 1: Yep, it's that simple. They also brought in a couple

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Speaker 1: of more pictures since we last spoke to you, guys,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Goes, which I know, James, this is this is

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Speaker 1: I love Anthony Ghosky, love Goes, but mostly because what

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Speaker 2: I don't know some of the older messed up listeners

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Speaker 2: the Olympic team. Yes, he was on the Olympic team

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Speaker 1: You're awesome. And then he got to the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: is he going to swallow his pride? Or are we

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Speaker 2: going to stretch this thing into marsh? Like those to

431
00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,800
Speaker 2: me seemed like the only two options, which I don't

432
00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,520
Speaker 2: like either of those very much, especially not for Pete.

433
00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,240
Speaker 2: But I think he has to look around right now

434
00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,560
Speaker 2: and be like, I'm just not going to get the

435
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Speaker 2: deal I ever I thought I was going to get.

436
00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:40,720
Speaker 2: I'm definitely not going to get the deal that I

437
00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,120
Speaker 2: declined a year ago, which ye, so super sucks for him.

438
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Speaker 1: Now it's and this was always a fear. And I know,

439
00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,040
Speaker 1: like Scott Boris is amazing, but he's also sucks for

440
00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,320
Speaker 1: these reasons where Pete, I think, maybe with a different agent,

441
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Speaker 1: takes that extension that was given last year by Billy Sure,

442
00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,080
Speaker 1: because that was good value from both sides, and maybe

443
00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,680
Speaker 1: wasn't the years that he wanted. And and again we've

444
00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,280
Speaker 1: been saying on the podcast that we believe that Pete

445
00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,399
Speaker 1: want wants more years, not because it's like a I

446
00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:06,880
Speaker 1: want more years, more money thing. It's like I don't

447
00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,480
Speaker 1: want to sign a contract again as a free agent.

448
00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,399
Speaker 1: There's no way he likes being a free agent and

449
00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,520
Speaker 1: the uncertainty. We've been around him before. So he's a

450
00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,800
Speaker 1: big goofy guy. And you heard Trevor May he was like,

451
00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,200
Speaker 1: he wants to be in New York. He loves it there.

452
00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,720
Speaker 1: This is killing him right now that this is going on.

453
00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,800
Speaker 1: That's a problem too, though, especially from Scott Boris's perspective,

454
00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,359
Speaker 1: where it's like, don't tell them you want to be

455
00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:26,679
Speaker 1: in New York. I never say you want to be

456
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Speaker 1: in New York, never mentioned anybody that's where you want

457
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Speaker 1: to be. You're willing to go anywhere, whoever gives you

458
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Speaker 1: the best contract. That's just not how Scott Borris operates.

459
00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,479
Speaker 2: I think that this, this marriage of these two might

460
00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,520
Speaker 2: have been something that no one really thought through. And

461
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Speaker 2: like with the last few years, like pe Alonzo, I know,

462
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Speaker 2: since he came up, I think he's the most frons

463
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Speaker 2: of league, probably almost the most RB.

464
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Speaker 1: I think maybe behind Judge now that might be the

465
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Speaker 1: only guy.

466
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Speaker 2: And like he was a Scott bors always like pe

467
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Speaker 2: Alonzo isn't it shouldn't be regarded in free agency as

468
00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:50,960
Speaker 2: a first base and he should be regarded as their

469
00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,920
Speaker 2: premier power hidden rum producer in the major leagues. But

470
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Speaker 2: you are a first base in pe Alonzo like that.

471
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Speaker 1: That's what it is, like, there's no other way to value.

472
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Speaker 1: This is an early two thousands baseball where you could

473
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Speaker 1: be like, oh yea, yeah, that is a good point.

474
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Speaker 1: Everyone's like, well, we have information that tells us he's

475
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Speaker 1: a first basement.

476
00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, he just puts down on the Ryan Howard

477
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Speaker 2: contract and we're like, exactly why we're not going to

478
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Speaker 2: give you.

479
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Speaker 1: It's just I don't know. I do think it is

480
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Speaker 1: interesting that all we were hearing is about how the

481
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Speaker 1: first picks Mark is dead, dead dead, and the one

482
00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,320
Speaker 1: domino fell, and then every single one fell immediately after that.

483
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Speaker 1: Dude Nolan Aeronaudo started it because Aeronado declining the trade

484
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Speaker 1: to the Astros seemingly was going to be petist to

485
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Speaker 1: first aeronaut of the third him declining that the Astros

486
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Speaker 1: were like, all right, fuck that, We're moving on to

487
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Speaker 1: the next one, Christian Walker, let's go. That was huge

488
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Speaker 1: because I think there was a real worry that the

489
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Speaker 1: Astros could be interested in Pee Alonzo. It made a

490
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Speaker 1: lot of sense as well. But when you trade Kyle

491
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Speaker 1: Tucker because you don't want to pay him, you'rerobably not

492
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Speaker 1: going to pay Pee Alonzo.

493
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Speaker 2: So no, for sure, especially when you're worried about paying

494
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Speaker 2: him for like multiple years, I guess, unless unless he

495
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Speaker 2: comes back to the thing where then you only they

496
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Speaker 2: want to say on p loanso of the same contract

497
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Speaker 2: we want to sign him for, which is like a

498
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Speaker 2: max three year deal, probably opt outs after the first

499
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Speaker 2: second years, at which case he's probably gonna just stay

500
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Speaker 2: in New York. Yeah, probably give him some juice after

501
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Speaker 2: that because of taxes and Texas. Now, maybe the Rangers

502
00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:57,639
Speaker 2: might be evolved after the trade and Teddy Lope, But

503
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Speaker 2: I kind of don't think so because why they got

504
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Speaker 2: Jake Berger.

505
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Speaker 1: But I don't know.

506
00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,560
Speaker 2: The Astros to me honestly, like this this offseason is

507
00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,560
Speaker 2: to be a signal to the pure end of the dynasty.

508
00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,639
Speaker 2: Oh it's this over, this is this is just a

509
00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,840
Speaker 2: complete loser energy from them. They're paying They're paying first

510
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,879
Speaker 2: basemen who are like there are these two first basemen

511
00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,280
Speaker 2: who are over thirty five years old, forty million dollars

512
00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,800
Speaker 2: and traded Kyle Tucker to help their future, Like this

513
00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,200
Speaker 2: is one of the ten best players in baseball, and

514
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Speaker 2: you want to compete for a championship. You're getting them

515
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Speaker 2: off your team, and now you have the worst outfield

516
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Speaker 2: in baseball. It's worse than the White Sox. It's worse

517
00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,119
Speaker 2: than the A's, it's worse than the Rockies, it worse.

518
00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,000
Speaker 2: It's it's way worse than the White Sox too. It's

519
00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,280
Speaker 2: absolutely the worst outfield in baseball. Houston Astro, So, congratulations

520
00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,919
Speaker 2: to you guys. You have two first basement and you

521
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,919
Speaker 2: have no Outfielder's a great job building this team. But

522
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Speaker 2: I thought God Smiths the Yankees is a pretty good

523
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Speaker 2: deal for what they want Andrew Martino.

524
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Speaker 1: I give him credit.

525
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Speaker 2: People are talking about Pete I give I give him

526
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Speaker 2: a lot of crazy, but I think it's been really

527
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Speaker 2: good last couple of years, lot better than I ever

528
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Speaker 2: thought he was.

529
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Speaker 1: He has been bad. People were talking about pi Alonzo

530
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Speaker 1: to the Yankees, plans to the Yankees, and He's like,

531
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Speaker 1: if you looked at all the first basement the Yanks

532
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Speaker 1: have ever had, none of them look like Pilonzo, besides Giambi,

533
00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 1: which was like kind of a random thing that went off.

534
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Speaker 1: It's always these more at It's more of these athletic

535
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Speaker 1: first basement type who played good defense, have a little

536
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Speaker 1: bit more of these like seber leadership qualities. And I

537
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,440
Speaker 1: was like, huh, it's actually it's actually true. Actually looked

538
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 1: back at the first Basement. It's like yeah, t shaa, yeah,

539
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 1: Rizzo like it. It actually plays. And then the Nailer trade,

540
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Speaker 1: I thought that was the one where maybe I would

541
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 1: have liked the Mets. See the Mets kick the tires

542
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Speaker 1: on that.

543
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Speaker 2: I think joshn Aller is a tremendous player, and I

544
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Speaker 2: think it fits the Mets timeline where it seems like

545
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Speaker 2: they don't want to put a ton of money on

546
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Speaker 2: the salary cap, especially as elite players like Ladimir Guerre

547
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,919
Speaker 2: Junior atter free agency. But he did go for Slage Cony,

548
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 2: who I think the Mets comparison for Tocni again would

549
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,640
Speaker 2: have been someone between Peterson and McGill. Yeah, and there

550
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 2: isn't really someone between those guys.

551
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Speaker 1: It's probably it's probably McGill more because Seconi really hasn't

552
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Speaker 1: had like success at the major league level where Peterson has.

553
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Speaker 1: We just know that Peterson maybe isn't a three flatty

554
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 1: ra pitcher and he's more close to that four range.

555
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 1: But I think I think he's there McGill in that way,

556
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Speaker 1: where like Secony I think was a first round pick

557
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Speaker 1: even maybe I picked good prospect from the University of

558
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Speaker 1: Miami in twenty twenty. I know that. Yeah, thirty third

559
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 1: overall in twenty twenty. Yeah, so yeah, it was That's

560
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 1: my draft right there. But like you, dont think about

561
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 1: Chaconi though it doesn't make him like McGill's that he

562
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 1: does have multiple Austra pitches, he can command, has good

563
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 1: stuff on way like Jaconi has an arsenal that makes

564
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Speaker 1: me think that he will be successful to Cleveland Guardian's

565
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 1: whatever really put it in. Oh of course, yeah, yeah, it's

566
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Speaker 1: a plus slyer, it's a passable fastball, it's a pretty

567
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 1: good curveball's a pretty good change up. Like, I don't

568
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 1: know how they're gonna move all that and make that work,

569
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: but it's not nothing for one year of Josh Nandler. Again,

570
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 1: similar to the Astros, Like if I'm the Guardian and

571
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Speaker 1: the Guardians fantom like we just traded our second best head.

572
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,439
Speaker 1: But then like this sucks. They signed Carlos Santana And

573
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 1: how much worse is Carlos Santana than Josh Naylor in.

574
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Speaker 2: A fact that I was singing that moment, but that

575
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,919
Speaker 2: feels good like that, But that was also the great pivot.

576
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 2: And now the thing is that while we're saying Pete

577
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Speaker 2: is at the Sewetherers, the Mets are also completely out

578
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Speaker 2: of the backup.

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Speaker 1: Players, correct, yeah, piece the first base when that's it? No,

580
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: like this is absolutely a standoff right now, like we're

581
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: we're in the saloon and we're both waiting to draw

582
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 1: our pistols because there's no other option for either of

583
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: these people. It's just about how much either can do.

584
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Speaker 1: There's also a world where Pete might be the backup plan,

585
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: and I think I think we got to talk about

586
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 1: the primary plan. If Alex Bregman could be that guy,

587
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 1: I still think I still don't think, so it still

588
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense in my brain spend the money on.

589
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's the best option by any means,

590
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 1: but the rumors with the Mets are still flowing around.

591
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: He is a David Sterns like player, a guy who's

592
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: gonna give you good defense and be consistent at the plate,

593
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 1: get on base, doesn't strike out. That fits the Sterns archetype.

594
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Speaker 1: Can I give you my hypothesis? And the Bregman rumors, Yeah,

595
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Speaker 1: I think it's the scare Pete. Oh okay.

596
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Speaker 2: I think the Mets have an offer on the table

597
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 2: for pe Alonzo, but it's off. They want it's again,

598
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,479
Speaker 2: it's it's the one plus one plus one. Yeah for

599
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 2: it's three for seventy seven. So the bell yeah, yes,

600
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: where and they're like take the offer, dude. He's like,

601
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Speaker 2: I'm holding out for five, holding out for six whatever

602
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: the boys telling him. So all the Mets are keep

603
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: doing is putting out these bres, putting out these Bregnan

604
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Speaker 2: rumors because there's again there's been no Leaksmiths front office.

605
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Speaker 2: We don't hear anything ever.

606
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 1: Ever, I mean signed in the middle of it, and

607
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: we were like, what where did that come from?

608
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 2: And the only other time the Mets have been directly

609
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 2: to any player in the market besides Juan So though

610
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 2: or Pilonzo was the damis who was the same Rumor

611
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 2: So keeps to me feeling like the Mets have a

612
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: contract on the table with Pee Alonzo and we're like,

613
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: we want you back. This is what the mark is

614
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 2: telling us. You're worth It works for everybody, dude. Or

615
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: And he's like, I'm waiting, But that's why they keep peppering,

616
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 2: trying to scare him into signing.

617
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, or the other thing scaring him

618
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Speaker 1: into signing. David Surtn's a stonecot cold killer. He's insane,

619
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Speaker 1: and he's like, let's put that out there. We're not

620
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Speaker 1: offering Ped's gonna come to us. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

621
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Speaker 1: Or maybe they have these offers on the table to

622
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Speaker 1: both of these guys because they probably at the end

623
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Speaker 1: of the day want withever corner infielder will sign the

624
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: right contract of players that are of a certain caliber,

625
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 1: which are these two players right now. So, if one

626
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Speaker 1: of you guys comes to us and is willing to

627
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 1: sign the Code Bellander Matt Chapman one plus one plus

628
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: one deal, one year, three year deal with two opt outs,

629
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Speaker 1: you're on the Mets. You're gonna be hitting in one

630
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: of the best lineups in baseball. You're gonna have an

631
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Speaker 1: owner who's willing to help you in any way. Possibly,

632
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: we have incredible player development and we're gonna have an

633
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Speaker 1: amazing organization as system for you. Whoever signs this deal,

634
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: Sure you might, I go what you want right now.

635
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: You can play for us one year and get very

636
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: much get what you want next year, or maybe we

637
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: can give you some more money after an opt out,

638
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

639
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: Like, as the market keeps moving, things dictate that. So

640
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: I think these two guys are thirty years old. They

641
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: both do a lot of things really well. They both

642
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 2: have plenty of flaws as well. We don't really know

643
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 2: how either of them are going to looking at thirty

644
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: five years old. I don't think David Searn says any

645
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: intention of fighting out.

646
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: They look like when they're time like it. So just

647
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: to me.

648
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: It to me feels like this is all a game

649
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 2: of chicken between Alonso and the Mets and then a

650
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: tiny little bit Alex bregmant. But they still think that

651
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 2: if Bregman is steadfast and wants more than a three

652
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: or four year deal, I know he fits the Sterns mold,

653
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 2: but that contract doesn't fit the Sterns to me, doesn't

654
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: seem likely the Mets give a guy who has some

655
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 2: yellow reddish flags and his power profile that kind of

656
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 2: contract just for third base defense.

657
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree the length. The length is the biggest

658
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 1: thing for Bregman, and it's obviously the biggest thing for

659
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: Alonso too. Here would be nice, Yeah, it is be

660
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: nice if we got a little Dell and betansis Merry

661
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: Christmas president under the tree, a little Pita Alonzo on

662
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: Christmas Day. I'm still holding out hope. Like, imagine the

663
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: Mets just like they just dropped that on Twitter, like

664
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: we've signed Pete, We've resigned pedal Lions on Merry Christmas.

665
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: That'd be awesome. And then they put out let's fucking

666
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: go Mets. That would get me a hype on Christmas.

667
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, your birthday is on is on

668
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: January fifteenth. Yeah, do you think we have a ped

669
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: lons of resolution before then?

670
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 3: Fuck?

671
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: No, Pete signry Pete signing in February after the super Bowl,

672
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: after the super Bowl, after my birthday, after your birthday. Yeah, well,

673
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: I think my birthday is the line. I think the

674
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,959
Speaker 1: super Bowl is the line. That's why seventeenth. I think

675
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: it's No. I think it's like February ninth. Oh really yeah,

676
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: I think it's a week after. Yeah, sure, super Bowl

677
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. It's February ninth. Okay, I'm going to

678
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico, so I know. Yeah, right, February ninth is

679
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: the line before after February ninth. Yeah, and I'm taken after.

680
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: I think I think your birthday might be the day

681
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: on February birthday for Mevalentine's Day, Yeah, Valentine's Day. We

682
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: love Pete.

683
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: I just again, I just doesn't it doesn't seem like

684
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: it's going to be easy for these exact reasons. I

685
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: think that is fully and honestly playing into David Searn's

686
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: hand perfect major.

687
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: I texted a friend. I think he's handling the offseason perfectly,

688
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: InCred perfectly. We're not rushing after anybody again to bring

689
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: it back fill it all up here. Everyone wants the Ace.

690
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: No one's linked to Corbyn Burns right now. There's nothing

691
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: on that guy whatsoever. There's nothing on Manaiah, there's nothing

692
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: on Flairty. There is literally no reason to rush to

693
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: sign one of these guys right now because there's no

694
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: sense of urgency from anybody across the league. This is

695
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: almost like, what's it called when you like conspire with everybody?

696
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: What's that called collusion? Collusion? It feels like at that

697
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: we don't say that. If we don't say that, what

698
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: we're not part of the organization anymore we can say,

699
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: we can say collusion. I'm just saying I don't want

700
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: to I don't use anyone of anything here. I don't

701
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: want to use anything. I don't know what the owners

702
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: are doing.

703
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 2: But there's also another caveat with this stuff that I

704
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 2: think is weighing on the met's mind, where we've already

705
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: signed one player to a qualifying offer.

706
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: Want so though, of course well worth it, Goodbye draft picks.

707
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: I don't care about you if.

708
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: You sign a second player to a qualifying offer, whether

709
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: that be Corbyn Burns, Alex Bregman, Nick Paveda, I think

710
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 2: Tay Oscar sometimes they're probably those guys too. I don't

711
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: think they're connected to him. I'm talking about guys who

712
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: have qualifying offers. Once you sign a second with a

713
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: qualifying offer, no more penalties you signed a third.

714
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: Oh, So I.

715
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: Think there's a there's a world like can the Mets

716
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: are trying to thread the needle here where it's like,

717
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: if you're gonna sign another GRAPD for qualifying offer, it

718
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: has to be like solo, there's a pure impact player.

719
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 2: Like if Corbyn Burns is willing to come down on

720
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: his stuff and we could again do like a create

721
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 2: a Blake Snell deal with Corbyn Burns, then yeah, you

722
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: do that. And then if you do that, and now

723
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: you've signed arguably the best pitcher on the market and

724
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: for sure the best hitter and player on the market.

725
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: And now there's no more qualifying officer stipulations. Now you

726
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 2: can start having some fun now with Taraska Canaan can

727
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: Realist could be your DH Now Nick Covety could Realists

728
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: could be your number three star. Then you don't feel

729
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: as bad about making those moves. So I think that's

730
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 2: something that's also a part of the CBA that not

731
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: a lot of teams have ever ventured into because no

732
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: knowledge people are willing to give up all these draft

733
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: picks signed and you gotta have.

734
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: A lot of money usually assigned guys who have qualifying offer.

735
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: Is it only in the last couple of years at

736
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: the qualifying offer really like impacted the signing of players

737
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: as much as it had, And it's because people don't

738
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: want to give out these mega contracts or short term

739
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: contracts to lose a player like this.

740
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: And another part of it's really important that you have

741
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 2: to be a good team that's losing good players. The

742
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: fact that Luis Averno Seaman and i p Alonzo Severian

743
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: has aready gotten. The other two we're not sure possibly

744
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: are going. We're getting some picks back. So if you

745
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: can lose some picks, recoup some picks and do something

746
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: that teams don't usually do, which just stop getting penalties

747
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: to sign good players. Because he's ready signed two of them,

748
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: like we're dealing with like an echelon the CBA, and

749
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 2: no one, no one contends with right now. I'm sure

750
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: everyone else keeping a close eye on it for the

751
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: next negotiation it's gonna happen two years and we lock

752
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: out again. So I just think that this is this

753
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: is This is why you get guys like David Stern

754
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: because he's just so locked in, right Mary, He's so

755
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: in control of this thing. It's incredible to watch. And

756
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: there's still a lot of talents on the board. I

757
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: know it's been happening quick, so it feels like there's

758
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: not much and it definitely feels like he's sitting on

759
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: his hands. I'm seeing Dumpster Dave and Sleepy Sterns everywhere.

760
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot that's still going to happen with

761
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: this team. A year ago, none of this looked like

762
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: this magic saying Sleepy Sterns when he's out here signing

763
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: Anthony Goes and Griffin Canning couldn't been Brandon Wadell and

764
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: Jared young Well building an organization. Yea, this is this

765
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: is a roster please, Sleepy Sterns. He's making all the

766
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: right moves. Pete Alonzo met yes or No on a

767
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: December twenty third. I still said it every single time.

768
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: Yes.

769
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: I think I don't think it is. I don't think

770
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: it's gonna be friendly. I don't think it's gonna be nice.

771
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: But I think he's gonna be a net next year.

772
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: I think he will too. I still think it's just

773
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: gonna be around your birthday. I'll tell you this too

774
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: right now. If he's not on the Mets, pretend, Yeah,

775
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: which team could he play for? Not a clue. It's

776
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: gotta be someone we're not thinking of, Like who's willing

777
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: to spend money that doesn't have a first basement, right,

778
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: I was going through this with my dad. I was like,

779
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: I genuinely don't know, Like, I know teams that could

780
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: use him, but the Pirates are not going to give

781
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: pet Alonzo a better contract than the Mets would, And

782
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: why the hell would he go there for the same

783
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: contract that the Mets would give him. Yeah, Pirates would

784
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: be an amazing spot for people in the king of

785
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: that city. Him and Paul Skeins run that place, but

786
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: like they're not gonna do that. And then like the

787
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: Padres are kind of the other team, but they're not

788
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: spending money. The Twins, the Twins would be a team,

789
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: but they're not spending money. Like also getting rid of money. Yeah,

790
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: so all the teams that make sense just aren't going

791
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: to be able to give a better contract than the

792
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: metsin wouldn't probably do it to a first baseman anyway. No,

793
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: the only other one that because of today's deal would

794
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: be the Texas Rangers. But I also just don't see

795
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: them giving big money to the Peak. And the rumor

796
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: was they were trying to cut costs as well, So

797
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: I don't know they did. They did just trade a

798
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: guy in his second year of arbitration for someone who's

799
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: pre arbitration, So it doesn't make sense. They just say

800
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: it's like ten million dollars and not trade they made

801
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: from the thingl low. That could be the Peak, that

802
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: could be the Peat money. Maybe they're just stockpiling it

803
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: right there.

804
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, I begat me but or yeah, maybe

805
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: that is it. Maybe even though we can get fifteen

806
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: extra million dollars. Also, then they got Jake Berger. Now

807
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: how many guys like Jack.

808
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: Burger and Pilanzo. You can't be on the team. Staniel

809
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: Vogel back all over again. If someone who has has

810
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: he has a prescription for glass and takes them off

811
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: and you see Jake Berger and Pilanza standing fifty yards

812
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: away from you, you don't know who's home.

813
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: No, No, shot that you probably don't want both of the

814
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: guys on the team with Corey c or another guy

815
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: that can't like, it's just it's getting tight. Is also

816
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: tied in the other side for the Mets because the

817
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: only backup ops right now our guys in the trade

818
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: market and the other team will know you're being chiseled.

819
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: Like the only other guy in the trademark I think

820
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: was realistically available is the Andyds. Yeah, and I think

821
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: I think that's literally the only guy and I would

822
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: rather have Pete. Yeah, unless unless you give Jack Peters

823
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: in a first basement mint, which maybe maybe you do.

824
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I don't know either.

825
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: But again, first I mean, if you give him the glove,

826
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: why not Scott had theberg baby.

827
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: But I think it's a situation where this.

828
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: Is going to get uncomfortable before it gets comfortable. So

829
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: inviting Mets fans to accept that and revel in the

830
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: fact that our general manager is trying to trying to

831
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: saves a couple of billion dollars, I guess.

832
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. Again, the same tries to go I

833
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 1: take that back, that's bullshit. But it's the fact that

834
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: he's going to sign a contract for pi Alonzo, that's

835
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: the best for the teams. Giving pi Alonzo a five, six,

836
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: seven year deals is probably not the best for the team.

837
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: It's absolutely not the best for this team. We know.

838
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so's he's gonna She's gonna try to make this

839
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: team as good as possible both now in the future,

840
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: which he's always been steadfast about.

841
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: So let's just keep trying.

842
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: To do that.

843
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: Yep. The last thing here to talk about before we

844
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: got to hear from Frankie Pepper's lost a great one

845
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: in the baseball world. A former New York met Ricky Henderson.

846
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: One of the greatest players ever to play the game. Honestly,

847
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: I think it's nice that I'm starting to see people

848
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: really give him the respect that he deserves. One of

849
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: the great twenty five best players to ever played the game.

850
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: The speed he played for so long, he stole forty

851
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: bases as like a forty year old. He played twenty

852
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: five years in the major league. Yeah, he's an unbelievable guy.

853
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: If he played in this era of baseball, mega mega superstar,

854
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: the attitude, the batflips, he was walking around pulling the shirt,

855
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: hitting the home runs and playing amazing defense, and throwing

856
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: guys out and stealing one hundred bags a year. I

857
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: mean he stole the base and he held it up

858
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: in the air when he broke the record, like he's like,

859
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm stopping the game. I just broke something. I did

860
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: something crazy to Harold. I saw a clip where he

861
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: was talking. Harold Grounds was telling a story about when

862
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: in the eighties, Harold Rounds was the only person in

863
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: the American League not named Ricky Henderson to have the

864
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: Stolen Crown for a season. Ricky called him at the

865
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: end of the season and was like, sixty stolen base. Like,

866
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: I'll break that by the All Star break next year.

867
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: He got lucky, and apparently he was like Henderson here

868
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: and then he told him that he just hung up.

869
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: He didn't let Harold say anything.

870
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: There was another story that when un first of all,

871
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: he said about when he got the stole bass recker

872
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: picked the base up in the air. So Ricky Henderson

873
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: also has the most run scored in the Major League

874
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: Baseball history. But he got it on a home run,

875
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: which is amazing. He drove himself in and then when

876
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: he rounded the basis and everyone's cheering, so they knew

877
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: he broke the record he slid into home plate in

878
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: the home run, because that's just what stuff Ricky Henderson did.

879
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: I also show up my dad' from me a TikTok,

880
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: which just funny stands my dad was a techtalk sentence.

881
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: But Mike Greenberg was doing an interview like way back

882
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: in the day in ESPN Radio, I think it was

883
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: like early two thousands, late nineties Greeny and he had

884
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: Ricky Henderson on and he was like, there was a

885
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: time when you were with the A's that I forgot

886
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: who Mezad the owner, the general manager was was doing

887
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: the books at the end of the year and they

888
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: found out that they had a surplus of million dollars

889
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: that they do they spent, but it had n't pick cash.

890
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: They didn't know what happened to it. So he went

891
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: like to Ricky's like, we gave you a million dollar

892
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: bonus this year and he was like, yeah, that's right.

893
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: He's like, that was a check, right, It's like, yeah,

894
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: that's right. He goes, which did you catch that check?

895
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: He was like, no, I framed it and hung up

896
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: in my house. A million dollars in the eighties a

897
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: significant amount of money. That's probably the most of his salary,

898
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: and he was like, you gave you rub me. You

899
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: checked for one million dollars I'm putting out on my wall.

900
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: Did you hear the John ol'roude story? I had that

901
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: one written down, but tell yeah. So for people who

902
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: don't know about this, rumor has it. When Ricky Henderson

903
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: played for the Mariners in two thousand, he noticed the

904
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 1: first basement on their team, John Olerud wore a helmet

905
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: in the field instead of a baseball hat. Ricky went

906
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: up to him and said, Hey, I played with a

907
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: guy in the Mets last year that did that too.

908
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 1: Oh rude, plied, Yeah, that was me, Ricky. We were

909
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: teammates on the Mets last year. Like, that's so awesome.

910
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 1: John Olier had like a one to forty five WRSC

911
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 1: plus that season. Argument best player on that team. Met's

912
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: went to the playoffs. Seem so good. Like's like, looks

913
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: I had a guy on the team last year who

914
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: did this. It's pretty crazy. That's me, dude, That's who

915
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: it is. He's one of the baseball guys I wish

916
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: I got to meet because he seems like just one

917
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: of the all time great players and all time great guys.

918
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the one of the best viral tweets

919
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: by Ricky Henderson from this weekend for US. So from

920
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: a no cut card at ball up top. So Ricky

921
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: Henderson bat flubs and pimps home runs and pitchers couldn't

922
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: even drill him because that meant he would be on

923
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: third base and three pitches ol fao. Yeah, I think

924
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: he has the most stolen bases of third b like

925
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: a wide margin as well. Could you patch on my

926
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: basis you would have stolen in this air when you

927
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: can only pick off a certain amount of times and

928
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: the bases are bigger. I was gonna say that too.

929
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: Something to tweet about Ellie. Ellie de la Cruz haven't

930
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: freaked out about the sixty seven stolen bases this year,

931
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: And they said that for Elie de la Cruz, if

932
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: Elie de la Cruz stole these sixty seven bases for

933
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: the next fourteen years, he still wouln't break Ricky Henderson

934
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 2: stolen base crazy.

935
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: It's insane. Yeah, he's so cool.

936
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: It's just it's never gonna be another baseball player like

937
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: Rickey Henderson. And one of the coolest things about this

938
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 2: is that he was able to come back to Oakland

939
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 2: this past this past season and throw the first pitch

940
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: out for the last game.

941
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was Ricky Henderson field in Oakland. Yeah

942
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: so cool. Yeah, RP Ricky Henderson all time great will

943
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: be missed. Let's hear from Frankie Peppers. Le's see what

944
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: he's got to wrap up this episode. Let's go get

945
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: Frankie in my pocket real quick. We're here for Frankie

946
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: in a while. But I've been missing frank I like

947
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: that he trying. Did you message him where? He said, James,

948
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: I got something for you guys. I tweeted him, I

949
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: said I missed you, Frankie, and he sent the message.

950
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: So I'm happy. I'm happy that we're still having an open.

951
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: Dialogue with Frankie Peppers, of course, because he's the goat,

952
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: he's a legend, he's he's what makes this podcast this podcast.

953
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: And the message you sent me text was happy holiday

954
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: from frank Happy holidays from Frankie Pepper.

955
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: Love to hear it.

956
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 3: Gentlemen, This is Frankie Peppers.

957
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: How you doing.

958
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 3: I know it's been a minute, and I hope you

959
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 3: boys are having a really good lead up to your

960
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 3: holiday season. All I won for Christmas is one, so

961
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: it won the Mets, and all I want for Christmas

962
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 3: is uh is Peter Armso to come back. And Santa

963
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: Claus Santa Stearns, excuse me, brought me one of the two.

964
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: I was Santa Colhen really, but Mets Santa got me

965
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: one of the two. So let's see if we can

966
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: go two for two and I don't get some lump

967
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 3: of cole Uh. That was a really interesting listen with

968
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: mister Trevor may On on the podcast. I'd like you

969
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 3: to give Trevor may my best please and tell him

970
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: that anytime he wants some bolon yeats, so Frankie will

971
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 3: make Trevor may some bawling yes, anytime he wants. So

972
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: hopefully the lucky Boonie I have been having winds up

973
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: doing us some good. I really hope. So anyway, boys,

974
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: I hope you have very safe holiday seasons and a happy,

975
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 3: healthy New Year. I want to thank you both for

976
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 3: giving me some space on this podcast as you always do.

977
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 3: Looking forward to seeing where this goes in the next year,

978
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 3: because I know you boys work really hard and you're

979
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 3: doing great things, and I appreciate you both, and I

980
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 3: hope you get to have a nice, happy, healthy holiday

981
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 3: season and give a pretty person to kiss on the lips.

982
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: For New Years. Boys, Frank you for that one. A

983
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: little candles, look us on the lips. I know we're

984
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: having lentils again. That's that's a guarantee.

985
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: Lentils are given at the shatter House New York party.

986
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: But thanks all we got I mean you guys, thank

987
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: you for being with us this past year. It's kind

988
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: of funny recording this. It was a year ago and

989
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: Mark and I got fired from the Mets very close

990
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: to Christmas, which was a nice touch. But the happy

991
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: holidays everybody has been. It has been a great year together.

992
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: We brought a lot we excited to keep and give

993
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: some good content. We got to meet Frankie Pepper's which

994
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: changed everyone's year. That's made the fucking NLCS, which was sick.

995
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: We signed one.

996
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: So no, yeah, well the year this has been for us,

997
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: so we're excited to do it again. This is two.

998
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: We thought we're gonna fish five hundred. We made a

999
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: run and got Wan Soto. I think that's about as

1000
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: as almost good as it possibly could have turned out.

1001
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, Merry Christmas, everybody happy Honkah, Happy Kwans or whatever.

1002
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: Holidays everybody, Cell Bradon, hope you enjoy it. Stay safe.

1003
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: We have an episode coming out later this week. Again,

1004
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna be doing our Top ten prospects each me

1005
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: and James, so keep it twenty six schedule for there

1006
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: you go, so keep an eye out for that. Otherwise,

1007
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: probably here from us after the New Year, and yeah,

1008
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens in between now and then. Might's

1009
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: make a move. We're obviously gonna be doing an episode

1010
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: or anything like that, but right the go, I'm in Jersey.

1011
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: I got the microphone with we could do it. We'll

1012
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: be bringing everything around with me too, so we'll be

1013
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: ready to roll. But if not, Happy Holidays, Mary, Christmas,

1014
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: Happy Honic. Everything to everybody, and uh, stay safe, appreciate you.

1015
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: We'll see you guys next time. Peace out, See you

1016
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: guys next time. Let's go Mets,