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Speaker 2: Eastern time. He's the host of the Josh Pates College

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Speaker 2: Football Show. You see him everywhere now. He is ubiquitous

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Speaker 2: with the sport and we love that he is in

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Speaker 2: a porch somewhere. Let me guess, don't tell me. Let

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Speaker 2: me look at the backdrop here. I'm gonna say this

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Speaker 2: is twenty two miles from Athens, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: This is probably about two hundred and twenty miles from Athens, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: But those are george of pines. You spotted the Georgia pines,

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Speaker 1: and I'm proud of before it because you're a long

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Speaker 2: I had been around, so identify places with trees. I

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Speaker 2: used to watch that, Remember the show Cops. I would

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Speaker 2: be like, Oh, that's Tacoma, Washington. That's my neck of

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Speaker 2: the woods. There's a pine. I would literally watch that

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Speaker 2: show and if you turned into it mid show, you're like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: that's Michigan. Yeah no, No, that's Arizona. That's a palm tree.

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Speaker 1: I can tell there's another car chase through Appalasia. Those

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Speaker 1: aren't rocky mountains. Yeah, that's North Carolina. Yet again, I'm glad.

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Speaker 2: I'm not the only one that watched that show. So

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Speaker 2: I said this the other day. I defended the twelve

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Speaker 2: team college football playoff. I said, listen, I went and

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Speaker 2: looked March Madness. There's a lot of mythology with it.

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Speaker 2: I love it. We all love it. But everybody always

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Speaker 2: talks about the first weekend. Oh it's magical. Oh there's

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Speaker 2: upsets everywhere. Twenty of the thirty two games last year

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Speaker 2: in the first round were abject blowouts. The average difference,

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Speaker 2: the average margin of victory was seventeen points. And we understand.

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Speaker 2: Though the tournament is large sixty eight, there's about ten

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Speaker 2: teams with no chance to win a game. And another

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Speaker 2: six that could win a game, but it would have

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Speaker 2: to be a favorite literally got into foul trouble. So

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Speaker 2: I'm okay with two teams of the twelve. Probably not

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Speaker 2: ideal because I do think the regular season gets diminished

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Speaker 2: a little bit with a twelve team playoff. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to see Texas with three losses and two other

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Speaker 2: games they could have lost. I don't need to see them.

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Speaker 2: I know what they are and they're not Georgia, Ohio State, Indiana, Oregon.

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Speaker 2: So my take is in college sports, it could be

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Speaker 2: a hockey tournament, it could be women's lacrosse if you

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Speaker 2: do a large playoff, and in football, twelve eventually fourteen

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Speaker 2: is pretty big. We're gonna have a couple of teams

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Speaker 2: that are outmanaged, and it's okay. We love March madness.

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Speaker 2: There's sixteen teams that really are over their skis, but

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Speaker 2: they'll be one of them that knocks somebody off and

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Speaker 2: it's feel good. Is that a bad take?

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Speaker 1: No, it's actually refreshing because your viewpoint on this is

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Speaker 1: actually my viewpoint. So I don't get to argue from

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Speaker 1: someone who shares my viewpoint on this. Very often, Normally

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Speaker 1: it's James Madison got blown out, that's proof they didn't

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Speaker 1: a wide open, gaping hole in your argument, and that

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Speaker 1: at you. It's a bad faith argument, but someone could

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Speaker 1: about this. It should sound something like, I believe there's

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Speaker 1: So I'm sure if we do this long enough, two

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Speaker 2: I look at it this way, Josh and I love

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Speaker 2: Nick Saban, But when he says, you know it's they're

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Speaker 2: a Triple A baseball team in the World Series, I

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Speaker 2: Triple A baseball teams every year at Alabama, and you

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Speaker 2: not be worthy late, but they were certainly worthy two

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Speaker 2: weeks before you played LSU. So let's not pretend these

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Speaker 2: people don't have a purpose. They give you home games,

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Speaker 2: if you're willing to play them over, don't throw a

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Speaker 2: would argue this the danger and Avens talked about this.

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Speaker 2: He talked about this years ago when they didn't they

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Speaker 2: when air Force years ago played Tennessee, and Tennessee was like,

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Speaker 2: We can't even practice again. So I always think they're listen,

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Speaker 1: You just mentioned a game, all right, That game, that

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Speaker 1: Air Force in their quirky offense is gonna go into Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: not beat them, but give them nightmares. Your boy here

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Speaker 1: And I'm thinking Colin Cowherd, dude actually knows something about

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Speaker 2: I talked to coaches of the years, and they're like, man,

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Speaker 2: if you're gonna if you're gonna play a small school,

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Speaker 1: Stuff in there.

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Speaker 2: Like you can't even He's like, we don't even have

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Speaker 2: It's like that. It's a nonsense. Here's my other take

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Speaker 2: in March I read an article by Pete Tamil New

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Speaker 2: USC and your rival. This is the same time Texas

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Speaker 2: they play in the weakest conference, and because they're not

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Speaker 2: playbook by here comes USC. I'm like, I don't have

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Speaker 2: say that. They obviously thought about it. But my take is,

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Speaker 2: There's a physics in there. Notre dame schedule next year

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Speaker 1: It's two plus two expore man, it's abc D. Yeah

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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 2: It is shop class and gym class. So I said.

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Speaker 2: All USC said was, listen, man, we got we got

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Speaker 2: some mid terms in October. We'll play, but we're not

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Speaker 2: going to in between our trigonometry and chemistry midterms. We're

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Speaker 2: not going to play there. We need a little space.

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Speaker 2: And Notre Dame said, no, we're not gonna do that.

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Speaker 2: So my take was, if you're not a committed member

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Speaker 2: Texas's schedule this year, Josh, it was harder than the Falcons.

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Speaker 2: It was ridiculous. It was just boom boom boom boob.

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Speaker 2: So my take is, I don't want to hear about

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Speaker 2: high minded principles. If you have an independent schedule, half independent,

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Speaker 2: I think you have to you gotta acquiesce a little

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Speaker 2: bit on this thing. Why am I so wrong?

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Speaker 1: No, No, I don't think you're wrong. So I got two viewpoints.

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Speaker 1: I actually have three viewpoints on this. The one is

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Speaker 1: just mine, and that is, like I said, I'm a

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Speaker 1: rivalries guy. I care about rivalries more than I care

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Speaker 1: about the playoff. And I'm dead serious when I say that. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have always viewed it as just egregious that if

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Speaker 2: could be thirty four to three. This is brutal. The

431
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 2: good news for Alabama they are built to play from

432
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 2: behind because they don't run. I mean they had one

433
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 2: nice run in that game against Oklahoma, but they have

434
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 2: three really big time receivers. The tight ends can catch,

435
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 2: so if you get ahead of them, it's okay. They're

436
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 2: built to play. I mean they almost it's almost like

437
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 2: they prefer not. They are not. They're not guilty not running.

438
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 2: They'll pass seventeen times in a row. They're like, yep,

439
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 2: this is what we do better. Pass blocking line Indiana

440
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 2: is fascinating. As if Mendoza chops it up three games

441
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 2: in a row, not only is he going to be

442
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 2: the number one pick, what if the New York Giants

443
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 2: have the number one pick, it's Jackson, Dart and Mendoza. Like,

444
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 2: it's a fascinating play. Indiana lost one of their stars

445
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 2: on the defensive front. I think they're really balanced. I

446
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 2: think they're really well coached. Again, what's funny is whenever

447
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 2: this happens where the bigger brand like Indiana, you would

448
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 2: think Indiana favored over Alabama. But I told you that

449
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 2: two years ago. So what's funny is that's telling you

450
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 2: Indiana is a better team. But in Indiana's locker room.

451
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 2: Alabama is the story of the game, and I think

452
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 2: that's an advantage for Indiana. Urban Meyer said keep your

453
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 2: eye on Bama, and he said, well, it depends on

454
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 2: which one shows up. I've watched them six times this year.

455
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 2: You never get the same team for the whole game.

456
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: Alabama's just not consistent enough for my taste.

457
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: So I agree with you because I've watched every game

458
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 1: that you've watched. The one thing I wonder is all

459
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: right ever since Ohio State did what they did last

460
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: year and became like version two point zero of themselves

461
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: in the postseason, I will always reserve that compartment in

462
00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: my mind for a talent roster of a minimum threshold,

463
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: which Alabama meets to do that can't run the ball,

464
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: hasn't been able to all year. Defense has probably been

465
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of a revelation relative to what people

466
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 1: expected it to be. So I may have a little

467
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: different take on that, like who has the edge because

468
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: I think it's insane. So Indiana's got to deal with

469
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: that time off thing that Oregon dealt with last year,

470
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: and we never really know what that means. But also

471
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 1: like giving Alabama red meat of understanding. Hey, legitimately most

472
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: of the country expects you to lose to the University

473
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: of Indiana or Indiana University. I think is something that

474
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: plays down there. Now. Look, I have never had respect

475
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: for programs that require disrespect or require doubt as their fuel,

476
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: because I don't think it's a long term sustainable model.

477
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: Clemson did it for a while and then everyone believed

478
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: in them, and then it's no coincidence they kind of

479
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: peaked and fell off because you run out of the

480
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 1: fuel that got you there. I think that if you

481
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: got Josh Quavis healthy, who is that tight end. It

482
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: kind of played a little bit the other night, Jim

483
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: still on his way back. I was a believer that

484
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: if Alabama can somehow get over Oklahoma, then there's some

485
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: downhill momentum because then they really stand a shot of

486
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: getting their guys back and to do that to beat Oklahoma,

487
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: what ended up having to happen is ty Simpsons just

488
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: had to let it rip and they did. I mean,

489
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: they played really, really good offensive ball for the final

490
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: three quarters. You take away to pick six, you going

491
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: in there and getting what twenty eight or what not

492
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: on Oklahoma. In Norman, it was a very very tough

493
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: place to play. I say all that to say, you're

494
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: probably facing the most well coached, fundamentally sound team that

495
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 1: you will see in this tournament, so you got to

496
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 1: be razor sharp. I do believe that Indiana has stunned

497
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: people with their run defense all year because you don't

498
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 1: really see anything else like it. And like I told you,

499
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: went with that Oklahoma game earlier this year, with Alabama,

500
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 1: I don't care about that so much. Nor do I

501
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: care that maybe you could make Bama play from behind,

502
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: cause they're totally comfortable doing it. Trade off is Indiana

503
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: can first turnovers just like Oklahoma did the first time around,

504
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: and if you do that, it's done. But I'm telling

505
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: I don't know why I cannot shake this feeling that

506
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: Alabama's going to go out there and give them everything

507
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: that they can handle. And it shouldn't shock you on

508
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 1: the surface because it's Alabama doing it to Indiana. But

509
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: if you've watched Indiana this year, the suffocate people and

510
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: may very well do it Tobama.

511
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: Okay, Georgie is a six and a half point favored

512
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 2: against Old Miss. I think they'll win. I'll start with this,

513
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: The world's changed. If you took a Georgia team from

514
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 2: four years ago and they faced this Georgia team. Would

515
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: this Georgia team get rolled because this Georgia team was

516
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: in four close ones?

517
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

518
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm I think I was thinking the other day,

519
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, god, do we understand how even Alabama beat Georgia?

520
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: And I knew Georgia was the better team, and I'm like, man,

521
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,719
Speaker 2: those Georgia teams like four years ago, dude, it was

522
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,959
Speaker 2: I mean, if you count backups who would eventually make

523
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: the NFL, you had twenty two NFL players. There was

524
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: no position that didn't have a pro And I look

525
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: at this Georgia team and I always say, turn the

526
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 2: sound down for the first five to ten minutes of

527
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: a game and just walk like you do that with

528
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: a Seahawk. You're like, damn, they're fast. That is you

529
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: do that with Georgia four years ago. It's like, how's

530
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 2: anybody scoring them? I mean everybody, all their linebackers, their

531
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 2: safeties are all sidelined, the sideline guys. And I watched

532
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: this Georgia team and I think if Lane was back,

533
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: if Lane was coaching, I'd be like, oh, well, this

534
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 2: could just get interesting. I just I think GEORGIEA is

535
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: vulnerable and they still simultaneously could be the best team

536
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 2: in the country.

537
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: Where do you land? It's so perfectly stated because I

538
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: think they fit finish the season playing their best ball.

539
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 2: YEP.

540
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 1: I think now I'm gonna speak, and Kirby Smart may

541
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: agree with this, but he had never publicly admitted. I

542
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: think they've gotten more out of this team than they

543
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 1: thought they were capable of getting. I think they They're

544
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 1: not flying at thirty five thousand feet like the team,

545
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: but to get this team up to twenty eight twenty

546
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: nine thousand feet, I think it's been pretty impressive. Having

547
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: said that, if you look at what they were required

548
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: to do against Georgia Tech and Alabama, which were their

549
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: last two games, it wasn't much offensively. This Ole Miss

550
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: team is playing with Trinidad Chambliss, who last time he

551
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: faced Georgia it was his first SEC road start and

552
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: he went there and required Georgia to hang forty to

553
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: win the game. Now they did all credit to him.

554
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: I was listening to Kirby Talk the other day and

555
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: someone was asking him, you know, what does losing Lane

556
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: mean to them? And you know how sometimes guys want

557
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: to say a whole lot more than they actually do

558
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: say in their answer. It was almost like he wanted

559
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: to slap the guy in the back of the head

560
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: and say, buddy, the guys calling the plays are there.

561
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: Charlie Weis Junior is the one that we look at

562
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: and we really respect on that offensive staff. Like good

563
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: on Lane for putting the staff together and putting the

564
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: players there. The ones that we're worried about are still there. Now.

565
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: He didn't say it like that, but I was kind

566
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: of reading between the lines. I think they I think

567
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: they know they've got their hands full in this game.

568
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: I think they know they've got the guys that can

569
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 1: stretch the field on them, and they've only faced one

570
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: other team capable of doing that down the stretch, and

571
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: it was Alabama. But Alabama was rudderless when they played him,

572
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: so they never had to deal with it like they

573
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: did the first time around. So that one's the last

574
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: game on New Year's Day, that one's down that same building.

575
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: Georgia's season ended in last year against Notre Dame. Gunner

576
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: Stockton was the starter. Then he's the starter now. I

577
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: will always wonder Gunner Stockton played a great game against

578
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: Olemiss the first time. I firmly believe it's going to

579
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: fall on his shoulders to win the game throwing the

580
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: ball again. And there's a ton of variants that gets

581
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: thrown into the equation when you're asking a guy who

582
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: hasn't always been asked to do that down the stretch,

583
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: to do that to win a game.

584
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: I'll tell you Trinidad Chambliss, it was about six weeks ago.

585
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: I'm watching him play and I text the buddy of mine,

586
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: who's GM. I said, I'm watching a smaller Dack. He's

587
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: a baller, I said, Man, I said, I know you

588
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: guys can't draft him in the first three rounds because

589
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: he's tiny. But I'm like, I love this kid, like

590
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: I would draft him fifth round and I'd be like,

591
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: it reminds me a little of Molik Willis. And you

592
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: put him in the other night with no snaps and

593
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: you're like, Chicago cantact. He's just too fast, Like I

594
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: think Chamberlis is right.

595
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I talked to a Georgia stafford the

596
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: other day that said, that's the best quarterback will face

597
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: in this tournament. No matter who we play, they would

598
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: have to play like Ohio State, they'd have to play

599
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: the big boys, and they said, when you combine what

600
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: he can do with his legs and the throws he

601
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: can make on and off schedule, we will not face

602
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: a better one. And he's got another month and a half.

603
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: It's worth of maturation that he didn't have when we

604
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: first played him.

605
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna look this up real quick. I want to

606
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: do it because I've seen him play half a dozen times.

607
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: I love watching him.

608
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you talk about if you talk

609
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: about the basketball parallel, sometimes what will carry a team

610
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: through that basketball tournament is some guy that you would

611
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: not really hurt a whole lot about if you're just

612
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: the general public, gets red hot and carries a team.

613
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: If you're thinking about that in terms of football players

614
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: in this thing, that is one of the guys who

615
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: could get hot and carry a team.

616
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: So they list him at six one, two hundred. I

617
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: don't doubt the two hundred because he's got his If

618
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 2: you watch him when they take sideline shots or line shots,

619
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: the kids, the kids, he reminds me a little honestly

620
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: physically a bo Nicks like he's in shape, he's cut.

621
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: So they list him. God, he is something else. Second

622
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: team all sec. Yeah, they list him at six y' one.

623
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: I'm telling you some smart GM in the NFL is

624
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: going to take him in like the fifth round. He's

625
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: gonna play because he is, he is clever, and I

626
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: just it's just fascinating because when I watch these small

627
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: guys in the NFL don't last, but they almost all

628
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: come into the league and for the first three years

629
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: there are these little dots that run around all these

630
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: defensive coordinators can't quite figure out what to do with them.

631
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: All right, let's close out on this Josh Payton joining us.

632
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, let me mention this colin in

633
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: the South. There's something really disgusting happening right now with

634
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: Old Miss. I have got two people in my own

635
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: social circle who predicted Old Miss to go to the

636
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: playoff this year, and every bit of their reasoning was, well,

637
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: Austin Simmons is going to carry him at quarterback. All right.

638
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: We haven't seen Austin Simmons in months, and they're dropping.

639
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: I told you sos on me, and I promise you

640
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: I would bet my life. Neither of them even knew

641
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: who Trindad Chambliss was coming into the season, and yet

642
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: their prediction verified because a kid from Farris State ended

643
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: up taking the quarterback position and running with it, and

644
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: they're dropping. I told you sos on me, and it's

645
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: a big problem in the SEC right now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the Michigan jobs really good. I said this

647
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Speaker 2: a few years ago. In a perfect world in college football,

648
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Speaker 2: you would have like six teams be great Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Georgia,

649
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: probably Bama, USC Notre Dame. They would be great.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma matters, but they don't have a huge national footprint,

652
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: same with Florida. I look at the Michigan program and

653
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Speaker 2: I I had told a buddy this the other day.

654
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: I said, you know, years ago, if you're Michigan, you

655
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: hire the wrong coach, you're going to get your ass

656
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: kicked for about three years by a Hoois Ohio State,

657
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: like a Brady Hoag and then you'll you'll rebuild the program.

658
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Speaker 2: But when you miss. Now, if you're it doesn't matter

659
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Speaker 2: who you are. Klin de Boord was a big swing.

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Speaker 2: It's necessary now because now Texas and Texas and Emmeran

661
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Speaker 2: and Oklahoma. I mean this bit. The Texas school is

662
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Speaker 2: big money. So my take is this idea of Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's a little sideways at Michigan. Let's let's go get Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's go get a guy who we can trust, who's

665
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Speaker 2: a good guy. It might take his guys usced. This

666
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Speaker 2: will be the most talented team they've had since Pete

667
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: Oregon's Hamman All. Ohio State's a monster. Matt Campbell will

668
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: figure it out with the NIL portal pretty quick at

669
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Speaker 2: Penn State. Indiana is now a powerhouse. Washington's oh was good.

670
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: Jed Fish won nine games, nine or ten. He won

671
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: a Bowl game nine games in a total rebuild that

672
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Speaker 2: if you miss it used to be if you miss

673
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Speaker 2: Josh in the SEC or the Big ten. After about

674
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: two years, you know you could. You could if you

675
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: miss now. First of all, coaches aren't leaving. Lincoln Riley

676
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: would have been fired six years ago, right, didn't win enough.

677
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: Now you're paying so much money for facilities in NIL.

678
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: You can't run out coaches on eighty million dollars, yoe them.

679
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: So my takeaway is if Michigan butchers this, this it

680
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Speaker 2: could be one of these things. You're not going to

681
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: go find Jim Harbaugh. A lot of the young coaches

682
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Speaker 2: because of the way college football is in IL if

683
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Speaker 2: they don't want to deal with it, they just want

684
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: to stand the pros and be coordinators. They don't want

685
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: there's a real fine line. Now, Like some got Marcus Freeman,

686
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of guys that are like if he

687
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: bails in college, college is less attractive than it used

688
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: to because it's pro football with free agency and paying players.

689
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Speaker 2: Is there a perfect hire for Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I'm going to answer this sort of in

691
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Speaker 1: a trick answer fashion. Let's say you and I are

692
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Speaker 1: talking a couple of three years ago, Indiana job comes open,

693
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Speaker 1: and you asked me, is they're a perfect hire for Indiana?

694
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: We don't. We may know who Kurt Signetti is if

695
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: you're really, really sick and follow this idea level, but

696
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: none of us. You never would. He wouldn't be among

697
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: the first one hundred names you mentioned. All right, Well,

698
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: that's right. Indiana hired him immediate Grand slam as it

699
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Speaker 1: turns out, one of the greatest highers in the history

700
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Speaker 1: of the sport. So of course you could do the

701
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: whole low hanging fruit thing of who's the next Kurt Signetti. Well,

702
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: it's conditional to the program. So who is Michigan's next guy?

703
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: Like that? I just have never believed that when you

704
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: look at all these hot boards and it's so like,

705
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: it's so incestuous. It's the same three four five names

706
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: and we can't get de Boor And Kenny Dillingham said, no,

707
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: so what do we do? Do we just go with

708
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: Biff Pogi for a year, or do we hire Jeff

709
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: Brahm or whatnot. You will never convince me the circle

710
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: of capable candidates is not way bigger than that, And

711
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: people just don't have the head on their shoulders, or

712
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: maybe don't have the bravery for lack of many better

713
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: terms that Indiana did to be able to go and

714
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: take a risk, but take a calculated risk on a guy.

715
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: So anyway, when I say that, people say, Okay, well

716
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: who's your candidate. I wouldn't know that candidate. I didn't

717
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: know Kurt Signidti. But I'm also not running the Michigan search.

718
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: It's not my job to know that. And I've always

719
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Speaker 1: said if you're running a coaching search, I don't mean

720
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Speaker 1: a coaching a search firm, I mean the search firm

721
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Speaker 1: gives you the intel. It's in your lap. You got

722
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: to make a decision if you don't have a couple

723
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Speaker 1: of three names that if they were made public, would

724
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: really raise some eyebrows. I don't think you're doing your

725
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: due diligence, and you probably need to be subscribing to

726
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: the message board getting updates instead of being the person

727
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: who search their getting up dates about So I'm I'm

728
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: sure that I'm sure what you're saying is true because

729
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Speaker 1: I think that they're a bunch of you get your

730
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon, USC like they're all they're

731
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Speaker 1: all in. We know that Michigan from an emotional and

732
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: financial standpoints all in. The big story in the Big

733
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Speaker 1: ten will be what Nebraska, Michigan State, those sorts of

734
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Speaker 1: programs do over the coming years. Wisconsin, because they've all

735
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: infused a ton of money into nil they've got it

736
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Speaker 1: to spend because of the media dollars. And so in

737
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: the SEC you go like eight or nine deep with

738
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Speaker 1: programs that some of them suck, but they're fully invested

739
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Speaker 1: in trying to win. The Big ten has not been that.

740
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: The Big ten is becoming that. And that's why like

741
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: if you're the number, if you're Michigan, you're no worse

742
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: than number four at any point in that conference, and

743
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: the gap between four and five is like falling off

744
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: a cliff. If that gap closes, it's like it's kind

745
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: of like in the SEC, you may be number two.

746
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Speaker 1: Now you may be number eight or nine, because there's

747
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: is not a ton of room that you have to

748
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: fall to become eight or nine. And that's where you

749
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: really get yourself in trouble. If you're in Michigan and

750
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: you make a wrong hiring, it coincides with about three

751
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: or four of the program simultaneously getting their act together.

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00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's it's the big ten is. I mean,

753
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: it's not as deep, it's not as hardy as the SEC.

754
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: But if this, if Indiana sustains it, because next year

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