WEBVTT - Sex Ed w/ Danielle Bezalel

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of boys in Los Angeles, and so

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you'd be like, you look familiar. I don't know why,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've started to go. I assume that we slept

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<v Speaker 1>with each other.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just the baseline.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna I'm gonna approach this with love and

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<v Speaker 1>compassion and like, hey, clicks the other way. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>my advice. My advice is to assume that you slept

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<v Speaker 1>with them and treat them kindly, and then you'll click

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<v Speaker 1>and be like, oh, I don't actually know the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what we do here destroy shame around sex

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<v Speaker 1>by talking about sex. Now, let me tell you something messy.

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to make a public service announcement for

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<v Speaker 1>those of us who are receiving dick pics. Uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>for those of you who are sending dick pics, please

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<v Speaker 1>don't send us a dry dick pic that you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how else to say this. I invite

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<v Speaker 1>you to moisturize your dick before you take a picture.

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<v Speaker 1>I have received several dick pics you know, of different

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<v Speaker 1>you know, races and ethnicities, and they are dry. I like,

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<v Speaker 1>I could see that it's scaling, Like I just I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to write back anything. I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>send you a link to get some aveno. And I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that respectfully. Like your dick is beautiful, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is a part of your body and it should be

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<v Speaker 1>moisturized the way that your hands should be moisturized, the

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<v Speaker 1>way that your elbows need to be moisturized, your knees.

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<v Speaker 1>You're now this Now this does get a little cultural

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<v Speaker 1>because I you know, I have a husband who is

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<v Speaker 1>white h and I had to learn about moisturizing from me,

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<v Speaker 1>just moisturizing in general. Like he didn't He doesn't believe

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<v Speaker 1>in lotion, and I don't understand that. And when we

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<v Speaker 1>first started dating, I'd be like, when white people get ashy,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a problem. Why, Like you know us, you know melanin,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a I'm reapplying moisturizer all the time, all day,

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<v Speaker 1>all day, all day, because you know, the moment I

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<v Speaker 1>get dry, you scratch me. You could see the frost.

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<v Speaker 1>But for white people it's not as easy. But if

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<v Speaker 1>I can see it on a white person, that means

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<v Speaker 1>you really hate moisturizing and you don't give a fuck

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<v Speaker 1>about nothing. And I would like to say you should

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<v Speaker 1>really care about that. Moisturizing. And if you decide not

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<v Speaker 1>to moisturize your legs and your hands on your chest,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fine, but please moisturize your dick, and please moisturize

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<v Speaker 1>your dick before you take a picture of it and

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<v Speaker 1>send it over. This is just my little you know

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<v Speaker 1>what it is. I was watching, okay, let's go in here.

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<v Speaker 1>I was watching a documentary on birds, because I do

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<v Speaker 1>watch things that are educational. So it was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like the one of those Planet Earth things and the birds,

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<v Speaker 1>and this bird he was making a like this nest,

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<v Speaker 1>like this fabulous fucking nest because he was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>check this female bird, and so he's making this fabulous

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<v Speaker 1>fucking nest and he had these fabulous feathers and he

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<v Speaker 1>had found like this like blueberry I think or something,

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<v Speaker 1>which apparently the narrator was saying that blueberry is everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And he had that one blueberry that is like gold,

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<v Speaker 1>and he found two of them, but she got distracted

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<v Speaker 1>by another bird. That another male bird that came, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess look cuter, and I think it's because his dick

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<v Speaker 1>was moisturized. Fuck them blueberries? How supple is that dick?

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<v Speaker 1>Those male birds go through all the attent, like all

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<v Speaker 1>that work, building nests, finding blueberries, and moisturizing their dick

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<v Speaker 1>to attract mates. I think the very least that you

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<v Speaker 1>human males can do is moisturize your dick. It is loving,

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<v Speaker 1>It is kind, it is it shows that you care.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an investment. Now if you need, if you need recommendations.

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<v Speaker 1>I love and Aveno. I do you know Jennifer Aniston

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<v Speaker 1>promotes the Avino and I love an Aveno. You know

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<v Speaker 1>it's my dream job to endorse and promote Avino, to

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<v Speaker 1>be an a Veno girly. I love almond oil. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a great one. You could use some shade butter okay

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<v Speaker 1>or some shame more. Your keels makes one. Now that's

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<v Speaker 1>something that's fancy. If you want to use that keel,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's some fancy. That's fancy. Moisturize. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>you have to do that, but you can't. Or a

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<v Speaker 1>jejoba oil, which is j o j o b A

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<v Speaker 1>all of these coconut oil if you want. That's also

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<v Speaker 1>to that also works. There are so many options. There

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<v Speaker 1>are so many fucking options. Please even even Loube silicone

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<v Speaker 1>loup Will Will will moisturize or at least oil up

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<v Speaker 1>your dick and make it look shiny and beautiful and appealing.

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<v Speaker 1>I've now talked about for five or six minutes about

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<v Speaker 1>not having dried dick, and I hope that you hear me.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and I know that my Volva owners, if you

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<v Speaker 1>just want to send this to a person with a

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<v Speaker 1>penis who has a dried dick and just like let

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<v Speaker 1>them know that you want them to do better, you

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<v Speaker 1>want better for them. Okay, by the way, welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the show. This is telling me something messy. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon Kyle Goodman, but you could call me Nate moisturizer sexy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's hot, that's good. Okay. One thing about me, My

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<v Speaker 1>dick is not dry. I can say that loudly and proudly.

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<v Speaker 1>That is not I'm not boasting, I'm not being arrogant.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just letting you know that when I'm moisturized, my

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<v Speaker 1>dick gets moisturized too. So you know everyone's happy. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you know what that means. It's time for a

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<v Speaker 1>guess now why they get situated. We'll get our messy.

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<v Speaker 1>Kikey started with a ho manifesto, repeat after me aloud

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<v Speaker 1>or in your head. Grant me the serenity to unpack

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<v Speaker 1>my shame, the courage to heal, the wisdom to know

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<v Speaker 1>that sex is not just about penetration, the audacity to

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<v Speaker 1>advocate for my pleasure and boundaries, the strength to not

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<v Speaker 1>call my ex that fuck boy, fuck girl, or fuck they.

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<v Speaker 1>For it is better to masturbate by myself in peace

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<v Speaker 1>than to let someone play in my motherfucking face. That

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<v Speaker 1>the community say hoolujah. I am so excited to have

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<v Speaker 1>d B on the show. Debe is the creator, executive producer,

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<v Speaker 1>and hosts of sex Ed with dB, your go to

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<v Speaker 1>podcasts for smart, science based sex education, delivering trusted insights

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<v Speaker 1>from top experts on sex, sexuality, and pleasure. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a guest on the show. I'm very excited.

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<v Speaker 1>dB earned a Master of Public Health with expertise and sexuality,

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<v Speaker 1>sexual and Reproductive health from Columbia University. dB lives in Oakland, California,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm so excited to talk to her today. Y'all

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<v Speaker 1>please help me welcome d Bay. How are you today?

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<v Speaker 2>I am absolutely thrilled. I am stoked to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much Brandon for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited to have you here. Before we jump

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<v Speaker 1>into our messi kiki, we have some messy mandates to

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<v Speaker 1>help us, you know, facilitate the whole situation. Yes, on,

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<v Speaker 1>things get to be unprocessed. Any thoughts or opinion shared

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<v Speaker 1>have the right to evolve, shift or change today tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>We're ten years from now. And if during the kei

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<v Speaker 1>ky something feels too personal or unintentionally offence, we use

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<v Speaker 1>the safe for it foosball, which gives us a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to pivot or address accordingly. Sound good, excellent, gorgeous. How

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<v Speaker 1>about we start with a lube breaker.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that title.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like an icebreaker, but you know, lube.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we need a little bit of loob.

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<v Speaker 1>We always needlub, silicon, a water bas whatever. Just please

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<v Speaker 1>lub it up, just use it, just use it. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's play a game of smash or pass. I

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<v Speaker 1>will give you a prompt and you'll tell me if

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<v Speaker 1>you would smash or pass it. Okay, great, smash or pass.

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<v Speaker 2>Sucking toes, sucking toes okay, let me tell you that, yes, please,

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<v Speaker 2>Sucking toes for me personally does not get my goat.

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<v Speaker 2>That does not turn me on. However, I was listening

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<v Speaker 2>to your podcast earlier today and you're our fight Master

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<v Speaker 2>is on and they said something along the lines of

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<v Speaker 2>if it turns them on, then it'll probably turn me on.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what I will adapt here to this answer,

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<v Speaker 2>which is, if my partner is like, hey, I'm interested

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<v Speaker 2>in you sucking on I toes because it'll really turn

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<v Speaker 2>me on, I'm going to say, wash those feet and

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<v Speaker 2>let's get this going.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely was let's wash the feats.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyone speak can be dirty, Yeah, I was it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>not my thing. But if my partner is into it,

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<v Speaker 2>then I'm going to explore that because I want them

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<v Speaker 2>to feel pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like a so we'll call it here like

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<v Speaker 1>a smass, it's a smash passes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's a smass. I would say it's directly in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle. But for me, it's not like a Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>I would never ever do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I get that. I I've talked about it on

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<v Speaker 1>the show. I recently discovered that I think I have

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<v Speaker 1>a foot fetish. I need to do more about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know more about it, DV except that we

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<v Speaker 1>have I'm like learning about it. But like I I

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<v Speaker 1>realized that like when I'm in the locker room or

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<v Speaker 1>the steam room. I'm always like, like I could care

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<v Speaker 1>less about anyone's Like Dick, I'm like looking at their

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<v Speaker 1>feet x on the wiener more on the I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>what are those feet doing? And then my boyfriend has

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<v Speaker 1>the most beautiful v and I love putting in my

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<v Speaker 1>mouth and I I just like I've been able to

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<v Speaker 1>explore it with him, and I'm like, oh, I think

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<v Speaker 1>feet really turned me on in a way that I

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<v Speaker 1>like put it on my chest, like rub your feet

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<v Speaker 1>on my nipples and it really does something for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I will suck on your toes. Wow, I please, stuff

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<v Speaker 1>on my face like I Wow, something got unlocked. This

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<v Speaker 1>is this is like only a couple of months old.

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<v Speaker 1>Journey made it journey. So I'm learning more about what

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<v Speaker 1>it means because there's a like, is there a stigma

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<v Speaker 1>around a foot fetish? It feels so like obvious or

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like.

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<v Speaker 2>Such a well known you know, but it's still but

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<v Speaker 2>it's still not like celebrated. I would say, yes, there

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<v Speaker 2>you go.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a well known fetish, but not a celebrated fetish.

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<v Speaker 1>And so there is a part of me, Oh dB,

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<v Speaker 1>let's unpack this real time. There is a part on

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<v Speaker 1>here that feels like a little bit of shame which

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<v Speaker 1>I have not looked at or pulled at. But I

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<v Speaker 1>guess like part of my like hesitation to say, oh

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<v Speaker 1>I love feet is there's a bit of shame because

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh, I've always thought that was gross.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that, and it's because we have been conditioned

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<v Speaker 2>to think that Kingston fetishes are weird and should not

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<v Speaker 2>be celebrated and should not be talked about. But I

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<v Speaker 2>do think that right now we are kind of going

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<v Speaker 2>through a moment for better and worse, which again we

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<v Speaker 2>can unpack this, but like thinking through which fetishes and

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<v Speaker 2>which kinks get airtime on certain shows and what is

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous about that if it's not explained. So should I

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<v Speaker 2>give you an example?

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<v Speaker 1>Please? Yes? Please?

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<v Speaker 2>So when we think about euphoria, right it's one of

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<v Speaker 2>like the most watch shows about you know, sex, sexuality, teens,

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<v Speaker 2>that that kind of thing. And we did an episode

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<v Speaker 2>kind of recently on my podcast on sex Side with

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<v Speaker 2>dB where we talked about how teens are choking each

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<v Speaker 2>other during sex, but they're not doing it in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that is that properly, and like, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>based off of this Peggy Rangstein New York Times article

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<v Speaker 2>about this, where there's research being done and that essentially

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<v Speaker 2>shows that when you're choking someone, they there is research

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<v Speaker 2>that essentially maps like brain damage, the same kind of

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<v Speaker 2>CT scan that like a football player with a concussion

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<v Speaker 2>potentially has. Definitely, yeah, definitely we want to unpack this

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<v Speaker 2>article because the article says it way better than I do.

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<v Speaker 2>But essentially the idea here is that like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>something where boys in particular are doing to sist girls

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<v Speaker 2>and they are not getting their consent, and all of

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<v Speaker 2>these things are happening with this kink, but the BDSM

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<v Speaker 2>community actually says you can't actually choke anyone safely. It's

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<v Speaker 2>more about breath play. So it's like, how can we

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<v Speaker 2>listen to the BDSM community and to experts while also

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<v Speaker 2>recognizing that shows like Euphoria have millions and millions of

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<v Speaker 2>viewers and we need that middle ground, that conversation that

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<v Speaker 2>shows this is media and this is media's depiction, and

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<v Speaker 2>how do we reconcile that with reality of what needs

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<v Speaker 2>to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I think that that is. Wow, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, there's there's a lot there, but it's incredible

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<v Speaker 1>because I think it is it's specifically doing a show

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<v Speaker 1>like this. The obstacle that I feel like I'm always

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<v Speaker 1>coming up against and a lot of us in the

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<v Speaker 1>sex space are coming up against, which is there is

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<v Speaker 1>the depiction and there's a reality, and how do you

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<v Speaker 1>find the middle ground Because the depiction that most people

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<v Speaker 1>see is going to be on their TV shows or

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<v Speaker 1>their movies. And you know, as a TV writer, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you can do that really well or you can do

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<v Speaker 1>a really surface version of it and I and it

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<v Speaker 1>can either help or or be harmful because people are

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<v Speaker 1>not doing more research.

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<v Speaker 2>You know they're not.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, that's so anyways, that's very fascinating. But I like.

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<v Speaker 2>Toast put those toes in.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, smash or past temperature play.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh definitely smash, id be like cold hot?

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<v Speaker 1>What is your I'm kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of interested in both.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that, Like, I love sensuality and massage like

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<v Speaker 2>back to feet. I love my feet being rubbed. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that that feels so incredibly.

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<v Speaker 1>If you rub my feet. I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that consent piece there. That's hilarious. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I just think that you know, a hot waxy candle,

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<v Speaker 2>it can feel very sexy, and the idea of being

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<v Speaker 2>able to temper it so that it's hotter when it's

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<v Speaker 2>close to your body and it drips, but it's cool

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<v Speaker 2>like cooler if it's farther away from your body. I

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<v Speaker 2>love the idea of someone else like having an ice

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<v Speaker 2>cube in their mouth and then like transferring that all

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<v Speaker 2>over my body, the nipples, the vulva, like putting it

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<v Speaker 2>back back in our mouth. Like it just like feels

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<v Speaker 2>very sexy to me, and it just really like adds

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<v Speaker 2>a new dimension to play.

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<v Speaker 1>I would also add that because it also requires so

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<v Speaker 1>much more intimacy, because temperature play is not something you

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<v Speaker 1>just like start doing randomly, Like you have to have

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation about it. You gotta work to it. But

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<v Speaker 1>it also requires so much intimacy and care with the

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<v Speaker 1>pouring of the wax or with the ice cube. And

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<v Speaker 1>so there's there's a deepening of the sexual relationship that

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<v Speaker 1>I that I enjoy about temperature play.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the communication of like because and this should will

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<v Speaker 2>you know, of course we'll get into this, but like

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<v Speaker 2>we should be communicating with our partners no matter what

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing. Does this feel good? Can I look at

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<v Speaker 2>you you can, I kiss you, can I touch you?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you coming? Are you about to come? Like, there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many ways to talk through what's going on and

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<v Speaker 2>make sure both people feel good, and especially like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>for toys, for temperature play, for extra accessories, there has

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<v Speaker 2>to be that extra level of communication.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, agreed, Agreed. I went to h I talked with

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<v Speaker 1>this on the show. I went to a sex party,

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<v Speaker 1>however long ago, but they were there was a performance

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<v Speaker 1>to start the show, to start the party, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was this guy I who had his partner female bound

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<v Speaker 1>and was using like fireplay on her. Wow, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was the sexiest. My boyfriend was with me. He was like,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely not, I'll never do that. But I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>like tri it was the sexiest, uh, most beautiful use

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<v Speaker 1>of fire that I feel like I've seen. It felt

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<v Speaker 1>like like like high class, just like sexy act. So

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm gonna graduate from candle wax to dB. You

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<v Speaker 1>won the game I did, because you win, you win

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<v Speaker 1>my additional lah. Yeah, it was very very Yeah. If

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<v Speaker 1>you have any uh prompts or game ideas or you

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<v Speaker 1>want to tell me something messy, you can email tell

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<v Speaker 1>me something messy at gmail dot com. Speaking of which

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<v Speaker 1>dby you. Uh, can you tell me something, Merci, I have.

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<v Speaker 2>A little something for you today. So in general, I

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<v Speaker 2>would say I kind of keep my shit on luck.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>In general, I'm someone who loves to participate in other

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<v Speaker 2>people's kind of information. But I think because I've been

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<v Speaker 2>in a monogue relation for almost nine years. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>got married last year, there's there's not as much mess,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much. There's not as much mess as

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<v Speaker 2>some of my other gals you know, and people in

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<v Speaker 2>my life. But I did think back to a college

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<v Speaker 2>story that I do love to share with you. So

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<v Speaker 2>I yeah, like debatable on you know how great this is,

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<v Speaker 2>but for better or worse. I was part of a

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<v Speaker 2>sorority for all four years at UC Berkeley Goberts and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I did meet my best friends. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I lived in our sorority house. And this is a

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<v Speaker 2>gigantic house of like sixty five women live in this place. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and eventually we had.

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<v Speaker 1>You know rooms.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they were mostly doubles. There were a few triples,

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<v Speaker 2>one or two quads and one like five so it

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<v Speaker 2>was like double bunks sixty one. It's a huge house.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like three floors of like mostly rooms. It's crazy. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, And this is this is a thing like

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<v Speaker 2>on a lot of college campuses that have sorority houses,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there were one hundred and twenty five women in

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<v Speaker 2>the sorority at one time, and then there were yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>sixty five ish people eighty I don't know who lived there.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was a crazy experience. And it was a

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<v Speaker 2>dry sororities of it, like no drinking, no drugs like

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<v Speaker 2>inside of the sorority. Yeah, and no bringing men, no

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<v Speaker 2>bringing boys to the sorority was the rule.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it followed.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had met this guy who me and my

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<v Speaker 2>friends deemed as Grimy Grady.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just kind of a me dude. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was kind of attracted to the grime. We

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<v Speaker 2>understand this, Like, yeah, you can be attracted to somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who is very sexy and at the same time is

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<v Speaker 2>exhibiting sketchy ass red flag behavior. Yes, and Grimy Grady Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, Grimey Grady and I had met at

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<v Speaker 2>his frat one night. We had hooked up whatever we like,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't bone. He was kind of like one of those

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<v Speaker 2>douchey guys who like very much tried to like get

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<v Speaker 2>me to go down on him without communicating that I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, so.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly the head hush. We need to talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>head push just in general, because this is assault number one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it is non consensual. And I know so many women

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<v Speaker 2>and people and queer people who this has happened to

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<v Speaker 2>in their lives, and I just want to name like

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<v Speaker 2>this is a very common and not normal experience. It's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a fucked up thing that we all go through.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a really common thing. And it just feels like,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, let's speak speak your words.

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<v Speaker 2>We're twenty years old, like you could do it. And

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, hence Grimy Grady, right, And at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>I was kind of like, oh, he's hot. All these

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<v Speaker 2>guys kind of do this whatever, right, We listen and

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<v Speaker 2>we don't judge as we hear. And one day I

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<v Speaker 2>was particularly horny and I texted Grimy Grady and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, hey, you know, come over to the sorority house.

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<v Speaker 2>And my roommate was already asleep, and so I had

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out where in the sorority house we could

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<v Speaker 2>go that was indeed a public space in order for

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<v Speaker 2>me to get the D and so what we ended

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<v Speaker 2>up doing was going to my sorority date room, which

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<v Speaker 2>literally was like just an open like a room with

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<v Speaker 2>a door on it where people could go hang out.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're technically like this like little slit at the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of the door because like one hundred years ago

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted to see three legs on the ground, two

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<v Speaker 2>at least that were men, and one that was a

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<v Speaker 2>woman because her other leg had to be crossed over her.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like, wow, this is like horror story shit,

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<v Speaker 2>like ghost Town eighteen hundreds sorority behavior, I know. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's the that's the deal with the door. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if the door is like that anymore, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I heard when I was rushing. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>fucking yike, that is wild yikes on that fact. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So basically me and Grimy Grady hooked up on the

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<v Speaker 2>fucking carpet and of the date room, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like exhibition behavior. I think. I in college,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you have roommates, You're like, I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>have to hook up with this person. I definitely hooked

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<v Speaker 2>up with multiple people while roommates were asleep, as many

0:20:55.240 --> 0:21:01.000
<v Speaker 2>people in college did, of course. Yeah, but this particular instance,

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<v Speaker 2>anyone at any moment could have walked into the date

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<v Speaker 2>room and it was like very busy, very loud, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of outside, and I kind of got it in and

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<v Speaker 2>said bye bye and then went to my bed.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, good for you. But it's a little.

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<v Speaker 2>Messy of being like they are like sixty five other girls.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyone at any time could kind of be walking in.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a little it was a little kinky, public, formy grady,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, that's I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Know those rooms though we had in my dorm at NYU.

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<v Speaker 1>I forget I was at uh what dorm. There's twenty

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<v Speaker 1>fifth Street. I think it's the dorm. Uh, anyways, there was.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a smaller dorm, but there is like a wreck

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<v Speaker 1>room quote that's like a part of the building, but

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<v Speaker 1>like you have to go into a separate like entrance situation.

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<v Speaker 1>I've definitely got fucked a couple of times in that

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<v Speaker 1>room because.

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<v Speaker 2>My roommate was in the room sleeping where where else

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<v Speaker 2>where else.

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<v Speaker 1>This beautiful record.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not finished with my story because a few

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<v Speaker 2>years later, I after college, I was working at a

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<v Speaker 2>nonprofit in San Francisco doing like after school programming for

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<v Speaker 2>at risk youth and we were like a fundraising event

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<v Speaker 2>and who fucking walks up but Grimey Grady, and Grimey

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<v Speaker 2>Grady walks up. He goes, Hi, I'm Grady, and I

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<v Speaker 2>literally gave him a look like I was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, Danielle, you really don't remember, like you

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember. And then genuinely Britton, he did not remember me,

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<v Speaker 2>this fucking dick wad. And then a few hours later

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<v Speaker 2>I happened to get in the same circle of him.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh God, this is so uncomfortable. I

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<v Speaker 2>really don't want to be talking to this dude. And

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<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden we're chatting and I see

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<v Speaker 2>his eyes click that he remembers that boned in the

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<v Speaker 2>floor of the front day room of my sorority of

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<v Speaker 2>my sorority house, and he all of a sudden got

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<v Speaker 2>super embarrassed and he's like, oh, I know who you are,

0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:01.720
<v Speaker 2>and oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you know who I am. That's always funny

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<v Speaker 1>to me when people don't remember, Like, listen, there are

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of boys in Los Angeles, and so

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you'd be like you look familiar, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know why, but I've started to go. I assume that

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<v Speaker 1>we slept with each other.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just the baseline.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look familiar. I'm gonna assume that we had

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of thing until I decide that it's something else.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna I'm gonna approach this with love and

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<v Speaker 1>compassion and like, hey, oh my gosh clicks the other way.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's my advice. My advice is to assume that

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<v Speaker 1>you slept with them and treat them kindly, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you'll click and be like, oh, I don't actually know them.

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<v Speaker 2>Addle I think is that if you assume that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's even a little flirty and they're like, whoa do

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<v Speaker 2>they want to?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that would be actually operated like you, you do

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<v Speaker 1>the flirtiness and then you end up hooking up and

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<v Speaker 1>you think it's a second time, and then you discover no,

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<v Speaker 1>this is actually your first time hooking up, and you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I knew You're already know whatever it everyone

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's everyone still comes and that's all that matters, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how means it means it's time for messy mail.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you like to do some mess mail? Beautiful? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>As always, your submissions remain anonymous. One of your submissions

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<v Speaker 1>will be my messy pick for a messy key key,

0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:27.520
<v Speaker 1>which is a more in depth convo with d B.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, This first one says, oh sometimes I like

0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:35.919
<v Speaker 1>I picked these, but then I forget that. Then I

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<v Speaker 1>read them, I'm like, oh my god. This one says,

0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:43.520
<v Speaker 1>my partner tape my come soaked underwear in my mouth

0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:47.440
<v Speaker 1>and then fucked come into me. Praise hands emoji. Wow,

0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:50.320
<v Speaker 1>what do you feel? Have you one? Have you ever

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<v Speaker 1>had this happen to you?

0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:53.399
<v Speaker 2>That's I have.

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<v Speaker 1>Not personally experienced it, but it did sound very sexy.

0:24:56.680 --> 0:25:00.040
<v Speaker 1>But also, like, I don't know how you begin that conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Of you wanting to have your partner do that.

0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, like I'm gonna soak my underwear and come

0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:07.439
<v Speaker 1>and then you're going to grab tape and put it

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:09.679
<v Speaker 1>in my mouth and tape my mouth and gag then

0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:11.680
<v Speaker 1>with it, dag me with it, and then you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>fuck me. Like it's so creative to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of intrigue, right, I think, like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I think that there are definitely many people who

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<v Speaker 2>have done this. Soon You're not alone. Let's just say

0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:28.160
<v Speaker 2>that a lot of people are kinky and love come

0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:30.720
<v Speaker 2>soaked underwear. A lot of people buy it on the internet.

0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:31.639
<v Speaker 2>In fact, they do.

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<v Speaker 1>We've had I've had some people talk about people them

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<v Speaker 1>selling their come soaked underwear or socks or whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand. I think that fluids are very interesting to people.

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<v Speaker 2>So is the question how do we get someone to

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<v Speaker 2>be open to doing this?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean, it was just it was

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<v Speaker 1>a submission and more so like I'm curious one for me.

0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I'd want my come soaked underwear

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:57.800
<v Speaker 1>in my mouth, like I would rather it be my

0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:00.680
<v Speaker 1>partners come soaked underwear. They taped my mouth, Yeah, as

0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:03.879
<v Speaker 1>opposed to my own com Do your meds.

0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Feel more dirty to you than your partners?

0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Interesting? So my boyfriend, uh, he cannot stand his own

0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 1>com like oh not into it, like you know, like

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:17.359
<v Speaker 1>he'll shoot a big load and then it's like I

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:19.639
<v Speaker 1>immediately need to like clean off because he's like, uh

0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 1>he wants to throw up. He can't see his on

0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:23.000
<v Speaker 1>cop fine with my cum, but hiss come, He's like

0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:25.840
<v Speaker 1>I can't handle. For me, I don't mind my own

0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 1>com but I guess I'm like not trying to put

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 1>it in my mouth, but I'm not opposed to it.

0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 2>To me, the kind of issue here and doesn't lie

0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:38.479
<v Speaker 2>with the comm It's more of the undies. I think, like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh me, like, I don't know. I think because like

0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:46.840
<v Speaker 2>for for my vulva, thinking of like other discharge and

0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:49.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of other things that end up in the underwear

0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:53.639
<v Speaker 2>that I'm just not personally interested in having in my mouth.

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 2>But I do like the idea of yeah, coming inside

0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:01.119
<v Speaker 2>the mouth and then potentially maybe a little transfer. Maybe

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:04.440
<v Speaker 2>that's something that it has the same effect but maybe

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:07.280
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have the the other fluids on the undies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, either way. I what I like about this is

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:17.160
<v Speaker 1>how kind of primal it is, something still like sexy

0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:24.159
<v Speaker 1>and ravenous. Uh, they're hungry. Yeah, there's something also quite

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:28.320
<v Speaker 1>free about that, Like like like the couple or the

0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 1>partners who decide to tape comes to underwear in their

0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:33.400
<v Speaker 1>mouth and then like breed each other.

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:41.640
<v Speaker 2>That's a couple that like they're not afraid. They're Yeah,

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 2>we should learn we should learn from them. We should

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:46.639
<v Speaker 2>learn their excitement and their zest.

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:52.919
<v Speaker 1>Their de vive is Yeah, look at that. See how

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:56.880
<v Speaker 1>is classy? I don't care what y'all say.

0:27:56.520 --> 0:27:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:27:56.920 --> 0:28:00.600
<v Speaker 1>This one says around once a month, I block my

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 1>ex on IG and report all of his pictures and

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:05.800
<v Speaker 1>to be honest, healing, Oh.

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 2>My, okay, that is fucking hilarious. I support this wholeheartedly.

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:13.720
<v Speaker 1>I honestly support it as well. I mean, I I

0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:16.639
<v Speaker 1>just love how we are. You know, we're using mental

0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 1>health language a moment where it's like.

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:26.679
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but I mean, do we gotta do? I think, like,

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, we have to assume that you know, there's

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:31.439
<v Speaker 2>a lot of Grammy Grady's in this world, so I

0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 2>don't know what this X has done, potentially something not great,

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:38.640
<v Speaker 2>and so if you know, harmless, report to i G.

0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 2>Like usually i G doesn't give a shit about the.

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they don't really, you know, Yeah, it's kind of

0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:47.960
<v Speaker 1>to me, it's it's it's quite funny. I think we

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:51.120
<v Speaker 1>are assuming the ex is terrible, and you must we

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>must assume the ex is terrible, and so to me,

0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 1>it's quite a harmless and funny way to do it.

0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 1>Somebody said, I think we read this on the show

0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 1>where somebody had bought their boyfriend's like website domainers their

0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:08.400
<v Speaker 1>exits website domain and and did all things which I think.

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Is also you're thinking two steps ahead.

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 1>I love, I just I do what I appreciate about

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 1>things like this is like I out of sight, out

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 1>of mind kind of vibes like I'm a tourist. Like

0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:20.440
<v Speaker 1>once once you're dead to me, your dead to me.

0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 1>So I just don't have the wherewithal to remember, time

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 1>to unblock.

0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm booked and busy. I don't busy.

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 1>I want to the next. But I really respect the petty.

0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:36.120
<v Speaker 1>I listen, I respect the petty to block him and

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 1>and and report always. This one says, I like pushing

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:42.719
<v Speaker 1>out loads from my hole and smelling them on toilet paper.

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:45.760
<v Speaker 2>WHOA, I wonder what they I wish they said what

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 2>they smelled like.

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 1>I so, okay, so I can tell you it doesn't

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>really smell like anything, at least when I've done it,

0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 1>because it's not that I like to do this, but

0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 1>I am curious, so I've doubled. So I'm like, yeah,

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 1>if I'm pushing out a load, what what is it all?

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Small?

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 1>Like it's for science, it's just everyone. It's for researchers.

0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 1>For science. You gotta understand. And I don't think I'm

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, deb I'm gonna I'm gonna do this again

0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:16.160
<v Speaker 1>this week and then I'll report back. But I don't

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:19.600
<v Speaker 1>remember it smelling like much of anything, but it is

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of hot. I do think it is hot.

0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 2>To just engage with it. Do you touch it? Do

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:25.560
<v Speaker 2>you kind of treat it like a science experiment? What's

0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:26.240
<v Speaker 2>going on? Sure?

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean now for me, now, I just like I'll

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:29.480
<v Speaker 1>just push it out into the toilet and then I'll

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 1>text you know, whoever's load that is, like, Wow, that

0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 1>was such a big load, which I think is so hot.

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:35.480
<v Speaker 1>I love when I received that text, Wow, you came

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 1>so much. When somebody pushes out, So that's what I do.

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I like to see it floating in the toilet and then,

0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, flesh like.

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:43.959
<v Speaker 2>A competitive nature to who can kind of push out

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 2>the biggest load or what's the what's the feeling?

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that it's not competing who because the

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 1>load is as big as the person gives to you. Sure,

0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>So it's more so like, oh, I love how much

0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 1>you came in me. You read me because of you. Yes,

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm so full of you and your babies that will never,

0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:04.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'll never.

0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 2>They're gone down the drain.

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 1>They're going down the drain. Also, you put them in

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 1>the process there there's nothing happening there. So it's more

0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 1>so like that. It's more so like oh wow, like

0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 1>I I took that load, and like there's evidence that

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:16.440
<v Speaker 1>I took that load.

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 2>Right, It's kind of a kinky like power. There's something

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:23.840
<v Speaker 2>going on there of like I'm I am being not

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:27.240
<v Speaker 2>like you know, like influenced by you or some something.

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 2>We're sharing this thing.

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:32.000
<v Speaker 1>I like, I always talk about it as like Arsula

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 1>taking Ariel's voice. Oh, not in a bad because I

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:40.680
<v Speaker 1>realized that that Arsla was a villain. Sure, but just

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 1>like the power of like receiving someone's load or taking

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>that load and being like, oh I now have Like

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 1>sometimes I think that people will position bottoms as weak,

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 1>especially outside of the community. People talk about you know,

0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:57.960
<v Speaker 1>specifical let's talk about gay men taking or male body

0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 1>taking dick as like some kind of weakness. It's like, no,

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 1>it's really you know, it's really powerful to take a dick.

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Like you don't take a dick easily in a booty hall.

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:10.560
<v Speaker 1>So shout out to everyone who puts dick in their

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:10.959
<v Speaker 1>booty hall.

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 3>A lot of practice at a lot of breathing a

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 3>lot of preparation, and do you want to ride that

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 3>thing for you know, more than ten minutes, Which if

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 3>you can ride for ten minutes, power to you.

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:23.080
<v Speaker 1>But like those of us who are riding it for

0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 1>twenty thirty, forty fifty, you know, taking dick after dick.

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.240
<v Speaker 1>That that's baby.

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Deserve a prize.

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 1>I deserve a prize. Consider that load my gold medals.

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes it's me. You know, I will never be you know,

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Simone Biles or any of these gymnasts. But the closest

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:44.200
<v Speaker 1>I can get to it is.

0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:45.000
<v Speaker 2>It's like the drip.

0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm the drip kid that has happened where Okay,

0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 1>so this is something mes see I have Like I

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:02.240
<v Speaker 1>will sometimes go to will hook up without underwear, sure,

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:04.840
<v Speaker 1>because I don't like my dick to be constrained. But

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:08.520
<v Speaker 1>if I know that I'm bottoming, I will have underwear

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 1>in my bag to put on because I have had

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:13.880
<v Speaker 1>sometimes where you're like, oh, after you get sucked, you know,

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of air, so like you know, and

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I've had a moment where I've gone and I thought

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 1>it was just a simple like you know, air fart,

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 1>and it was my My sweats are covered in somebody's load, right,

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 1>and and so now I wear underwear.

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Can because you've learned learned.

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:33.880
<v Speaker 1>I've learned that after the hook up, put on some

0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 1>underwear or just don't. Don't let yourself let out that

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 1>air bubble because it might not be an air bubble.

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:42.120
<v Speaker 2>You're leveling up here in your experiences. You're making those

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 2>more fun, they're more fresh, they're feeling better for you.

0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 2>You're taking care of your body. This is all things

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 2>to be celebrated.

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. I think that you know knowing, knowing how your

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:56.360
<v Speaker 1>body operates and what you need to feel your sexiest,

0:33:56.560 --> 0:34:07.480
<v Speaker 1>both before, during, and especially after everything critical, all right,

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:10.360
<v Speaker 1>this one is my messy pick. So this one says,

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 1>my partner wants to introduce toys into sex and ask

0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:16.400
<v Speaker 1>what I might like. But I barely use toys on

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 1>my own. To be honest, I don't really even masturbate.

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:22.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure why. And I know you always talk

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 1>about exploring with yourself so you could know what you like,

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:29.520
<v Speaker 1>but I get so overwhelmed. How and where do I begin?

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:33.759
<v Speaker 2>I love this question so much, great question. I love it. Also, Yeah,

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 2>thank you for being vulnerable and sharing that you don't

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:40.680
<v Speaker 2>necessarily feel comfortable or confident with masturbation. I think this

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:44.840
<v Speaker 2>is a very common occurrence, especially in the US with

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:47.879
<v Speaker 2>our crap sex ed that we all had growing up,

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:51.080
<v Speaker 2>and so many people who grew up in religious households

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 2>definitely feel like masturbation is sinful. They've heard a lot

0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:57.080
<v Speaker 2>of things that aren't true about masturbation, and so I'm

0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:00.919
<v Speaker 2>here to say that masturbation is healthy and are health

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:03.799
<v Speaker 2>benefits for you, and it just feels fucking good, So

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:06.360
<v Speaker 2>that's why we should do it. It's kind of simple

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:10.040
<v Speaker 2>as that, depending on if you have a volva or

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 2>if you have a penis, or you're interested in anal toys, Like,

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 2>there's so many different kinds of toys. But I do

0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 2>think that there are kind of three major questions that I,

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:20.920
<v Speaker 2>as a sex educator, like to ask to make sure

0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:23.520
<v Speaker 2>people feel comfortable buying the toy that they want to buy.

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 2>One is like what is your price point? There are

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 2>like some twenty dollars like bullets out there that I

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:30.960
<v Speaker 2>could recommend versus like a two hundred and fifty dollars

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:33.799
<v Speaker 2>like state of the art kind of insertible that has

0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:36.319
<v Speaker 2>all these different settings, Like what are you looking for?

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Then the second question is what kind of material do

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 2>you like? Do you want it to vibrate? Do you

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 2>want medical grade silicone? Do you like glass? Like putting

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 2>it in the freezer and getting a cold before you start, right, Like, Yeah,

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 2>there are so many different kinds of materials and it

0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 2>really just depends on like what you like on your

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:56.239
<v Speaker 2>body or inside your body. And the third question is

0:35:56.560 --> 0:36:00.760
<v Speaker 2>do you like internal stimulation, extra external stimulation or both?

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:03.560
<v Speaker 2>Like are you looking for nipple clamps that specifically or

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:05.759
<v Speaker 2>for your nipples or do you want anal beads or

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:07.719
<v Speaker 2>are you specifically wanting you know, if you have a

0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:10.799
<v Speaker 2>volva something that inserts so you get g spot and

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:15.040
<v Speaker 2>like interior clitteral stimulation as well as exterior clitteral stimulation.

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:17.959
<v Speaker 2>So like thinking through all those things.

0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Can I repeat all that? So you're saying price point

0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:23.520
<v Speaker 1>is the first thing, whether we want twenty dollars or

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:26.239
<v Speaker 1>two fifty. The second part is what do you want

0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:29.399
<v Speaker 1>it to feel? Like? Yeah, like material material, so whether

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:32.280
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about silicone or glass or something it feels fleshy.

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:34.399
<v Speaker 1>And then the last question.

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:37.439
<v Speaker 2>Is about what kind of stimulation you want?

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:40.799
<v Speaker 1>What kind of simulation external, internal, or both? Yes, I

0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:43.759
<v Speaker 1>love that breakdown. That's really that's really a way to

0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:46.240
<v Speaker 1>make this a little easier and less overwhelming.

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, And something that a really great educator once

0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:52.000
<v Speaker 2>said to me many years ago on my podcast. His

0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:54.520
<v Speaker 2>name is Andy Durant, and he was a director at

0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:56.759
<v Speaker 2>Good Vibrations in the Bay for a long time, a

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.520
<v Speaker 2>really well known sex stoor that is here since the

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 2>seventy He says, this isn't going to be your your

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:05.719
<v Speaker 2>last sex toy that you buy. This is going to

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:08.080
<v Speaker 2>be your first sex toy that you buy. Wow. Yes,

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:10.719
<v Speaker 2>very powerful to be able to think of, like take

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.480
<v Speaker 2>the pressure off. There are so many different things that

0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 2>you can buy to make yourself feel good, and this

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 2>won't be the last. Like, this is very much an

0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:22.520
<v Speaker 2>experiment and for you to be thinking through, Okay, what

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:25.000
<v Speaker 2>does feel good for me? How do I want to come?

0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:28.719
<v Speaker 2>What exactly do I want in order to experiment with

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 2>myself and with my part? Doesn't it doesn't have to

0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:33.799
<v Speaker 2>be perfect, It doesn't have to be perfect. Yes, so

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:37.800
<v Speaker 2>I think, like in order to figure out even backing

0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:41.080
<v Speaker 2>up before we continue with sex toys, this person is saying,

0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm not even really comfortable figuring out what

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 2>I like to masturbate, Yeah, and I think like really

0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 2>thinking about what turns you on and like getting in

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 2>touch with your body. You can literally just take like

0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:58.000
<v Speaker 2>a five minute session and lay on your bed and

0:37:58.040 --> 0:38:01.920
<v Speaker 2>like slowly just rub your finger over your body, slowly

0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 2>rub them over your genitals and see what thoughts come

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:08.360
<v Speaker 2>to mind as to like, yeah, movies that you've watched,

0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 2>or porn that you've watched, or you know, erotica that

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:14.000
<v Speaker 2>you've read, right, Like, there's so many different ways that

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:18.399
<v Speaker 2>we can turn ourselves on, and the chances are there

0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:22.480
<v Speaker 2>is something that you're intrigued about if you do feel

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:26.280
<v Speaker 2>that sexual sensation. Obviously it can be a different conversation

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:29.400
<v Speaker 2>if we're talking about folks who are on the asexual spectrum. Sure,

0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:31.799
<v Speaker 2>But if you're someone who's writing in who's saying, like,

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:34.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm interested in masturbation and I do get turned on,

0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:36.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm just not sure how to parse out what that is.

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 2>It has to start with you considering what potentially turns

0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:44.480
<v Speaker 2>me on, and how can I continue to think about

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:48.680
<v Speaker 2>that and match that experience with touching myself with my

0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:52.000
<v Speaker 2>hands or with a toy or having my partner help out.

0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:55.200
<v Speaker 1>I have two things one I would like to offer

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:58.080
<v Speaker 1>an addition as to what you just said, which is

0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:01.880
<v Speaker 1>I've been using this acronym. I'm working on my stage show,

0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:03.960
<v Speaker 1>which is which I'm doing in New York at the

0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:05.799
<v Speaker 1>end of the year called ho Church, and so I've

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:08.920
<v Speaker 1>been writing it's about my journey of sexual liberation. And

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<v Speaker 1>so one of the parts that I talk about is

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 1>how to identify your turn ons, because the most common

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 1>thing that I've come up against or experienced in doing

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:20.560
<v Speaker 1>the show and in talking about sex is people not

0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:23.800
<v Speaker 1>knowing what they're turn on beyond like I want and

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:28.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm like ah, and what else say more? And so

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 1>the acronym that I use is bema, which I believe

0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:34.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying that word right because that word also means

0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of like an orator, pulpit. We see it, I

0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 1>believe in synagogues as well. But body environment, mood accoutrements.

0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:44.600
<v Speaker 1>So like what parts of your body do you like?

0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:46.840
<v Speaker 1>As you said, like is it rubbing your fingers over

0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 1>your your arms or around your genitals, kiss on your lips?

0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Your environment like where are you having sex? Is the bedroom?

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Is it the kitchen? Is it? You know? For my

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:59.319
<v Speaker 1>gaze in the alleyway, what's the mood? Do you need

0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 1>a playlist, scented candle? And then your accouterments like do

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:05.879
<v Speaker 1>you want a toy? Do you want you know, blindfolds

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:08.839
<v Speaker 1>as a way to break it down. But then even

0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:11.680
<v Speaker 1>before that, and I would love to break this down

0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:14.719
<v Speaker 1>with you, I'm curious about how do I phrase this

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:21.560
<v Speaker 1>the person who maybe is wrapped in shame, yes, unconsciously perhaps,

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 1>And so that's what's stopping them from even being able

0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:29.960
<v Speaker 1>to identify what their turn ons are because they're still

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:34.560
<v Speaker 1>not sure it's okay to masturbate. And how do you

0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 1>begin to pull at the threads of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's such a great question, and I think there

0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:44.839
<v Speaker 2>are so many resources and professionals out there that can

0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 2>help people parse through what that feels like. Because if

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:50.640
<v Speaker 2>you think about how long I've been on this planet

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:53.200
<v Speaker 2>for thirty two years, right, So if I grew up

0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:56.040
<v Speaker 2>in a religious household and my sex ad was garbage,

0:40:56.080 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 2>and I was taught that masturbation was inappropriate for twenty

0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:03.400
<v Speaker 2>years of my life, right, for thirty years of my life,

0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 2>think about how long it would take to unlearn some

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:09.640
<v Speaker 2>of that shame, right, Like, hopefully it doesn't take thirty years.

0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:12.760
<v Speaker 2>But for many people, it's kind of this piece by piece,

0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 2>layer by layer pullback of like the little Wins, and like,

0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're not even talking about folks who have

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:22.440
<v Speaker 2>been you know, sexually harassed and sexually assaulted and have

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:26.200
<v Speaker 2>gone through trauma, Like trauma really impacts our ability to

0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:29.440
<v Speaker 2>feel comfortable with our sexuality and with our bodies and

0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:32.960
<v Speaker 2>with our partners. And so this is a multi layered thing.

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:36.320
<v Speaker 2>And so I want to say, number one, give yourself

0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:40.480
<v Speaker 2>patience and grace and time, because you are not alone.

0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:43.799
<v Speaker 2>Most people, especially most people in the US, have some

0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 2>sort of experience like this where they feel uncomfortable thinking

0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:50.399
<v Speaker 2>about masturbation, talking about it. You know, we don't talk

0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:52.360
<v Speaker 2>about this with our friends. We don't talk about it

0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:55.880
<v Speaker 2>with our partner. Usually, Like people who I've even spoken

0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:59.239
<v Speaker 2>with who are quote unquote sex positive have told me

0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:01.680
<v Speaker 2>that they still face orgasms with their partner because they

0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:03.319
<v Speaker 2>don't know how to talk to them about it. Right,

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:06.399
<v Speaker 2>It's just like it is so much more common than

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:10.880
<v Speaker 2>we think, And so patients grace and really understanding that,

0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:14.680
<v Speaker 2>like this is something that has to happen day by day.

0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:17.239
<v Speaker 2>And like the final piece here that I want to

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:19.919
<v Speaker 2>say is like there are experts out there who can help,

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Like you know Emily Nagoski, doctor Emily degaskis on your show.

0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:26.760
<v Speaker 2>I love her so much. Like she wrote a book

0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:29.480
<v Speaker 2>called Come as You Are and Come Together, and like

0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 2>there are so many other amazing researchers and sexologists and

0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:37.320
<v Speaker 2>doctors out there who you know, have interesting information to

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:40.640
<v Speaker 2>share about like what is going on with us psychologically

0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:43.279
<v Speaker 2>and how can we start to unlearn these things? And

0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:47.640
<v Speaker 2>therapists and sex therapists are amazing resources who we can

0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:50.400
<v Speaker 2>go to and say, this is an issue that I

0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:53.719
<v Speaker 2>actually want to work through and improve in order for

0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 2>you to get to that zone where then you're thinking

0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 2>about what's my environment looking like, what are my accessories?

0:42:59.600 --> 0:42:59.719
<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? It's kind of like it's a flowing kind

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.840
<v Speaker 2>of thing. It's not a step ladder, because there are

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 2>so many different ways that our journey can take us

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:12.359
<v Speaker 2>when we're thinking about our exploration with ourselves and with

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:12.880
<v Speaker 2>our pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I actually want You've said so many beautiful things,

0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:19.240
<v Speaker 1>and I want to I want to what's the word

0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:20.920
<v Speaker 1>I want to be on your I want to like

0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:24.880
<v Speaker 1>high five aspectually, use the sports anology and I was like, gro,

0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:28.040
<v Speaker 1>you don't play sports, but you know I want to.

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I want to do something, which is to say that

0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:32.880
<v Speaker 1>I think that when you're talking about therapists, especially like

0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:35.560
<v Speaker 1>a sex therapist or going to a therapist about you know,

0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:42.360
<v Speaker 1>masturbation or your sex, sometimes can feel perhaps like oh,

0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:43.880
<v Speaker 1>but there are better ways for me to spend my

0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:46.719
<v Speaker 1>money or my time. And I actually think that, you know,

0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:51.000
<v Speaker 1>learning about your body and your pleasure will free you

0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:53.720
<v Speaker 1>up in so many other ways, Like if you invest

0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:56.719
<v Speaker 1>in finding those resources, whether it's a sex therapist or

0:43:56.719 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 1>reading these books or finding somebody's podcast, that investment is

0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:04.400
<v Speaker 1>you will see that you're gonna start by talking about sex,

0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:07.760
<v Speaker 1>what you end up doing is liberating yourself as a whole.

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:10.879
<v Speaker 1>I always say, like from the dark room to the boardroom, right,

0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Like the person who understands how to show up for

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 1>themselves and advocate for themselves in their bedroom in the

0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:19.960
<v Speaker 1>dark room knows how to manage that boardroom as well,

0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:22.640
<v Speaker 1>because there is something about sex that I don't think

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:26.680
<v Speaker 1>we talk about enough mainstream wise, and like how it

0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:32.680
<v Speaker 1>is the perhaps the holder of all of your chains.

0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:35.879
<v Speaker 1>In some ways, I might argue, yeah, that a lot

0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:38.600
<v Speaker 1>of your because because it's about your identity, right, Like

0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:41.279
<v Speaker 1>I can't talk about sex without talking about your race,

0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:45.439
<v Speaker 1>your gender, your class, your religion, like all of those

0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:48.600
<v Speaker 1>things influence how you show up to the bedroom, which

0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:50.960
<v Speaker 1>is why this show centers around women and queer folks

0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:54.960
<v Speaker 1>because you know, of all the groups, our groups rarely

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:58.319
<v Speaker 1>ever are allowed to talk about sex with pleasure at

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:01.319
<v Speaker 1>the at the center of it. So all that to say,

0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:03.600
<v Speaker 1>I would encourage anyone who is trying to figure out

0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:06.200
<v Speaker 1>about their masturbation to invest the time. Yes, but it

0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:08.440
<v Speaker 1>is worth it to find that sex therapist or those

0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:11.640
<v Speaker 1>resources that it is worth it to say, oh, because

0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:13.120
<v Speaker 1>I think people it's easy for people to write off

0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 1>sex is like okay, yeah, like I don't know about that,

0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:18.839
<v Speaker 1>but like whatever, there are bigger, more pressing things, and

0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:22.279
<v Speaker 1>I think that if you can actually tackle that, it

0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 1>will unlock everything else that you're trying to tackle. Does

0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 1>that make sense.

0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:30.440
<v Speaker 2>You are speaking my language. Can I briefly tell you

0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:32.799
<v Speaker 2>about a masturbation experiment that I did?

0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Yeah, yeah, oh my god, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So one of my amazing sponsors is the Magic

0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:50.040
<v Speaker 2>wand the Classic Like most nicomic magic wond the Magic

0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Wand yes, I've been working with them for years because

0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:54.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, sex d with dB is very much all

0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:57.400
<v Speaker 2>about pleasure and very much all about making sure people

0:45:57.400 --> 0:45:59.399
<v Speaker 2>know about their bodies and their health. And I went

0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:02.480
<v Speaker 2>to them and I pose this three week masturbation experiment

0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:06.240
<v Speaker 2>where the first week was abstinence week, so no sexual

0:46:06.239 --> 0:46:09.480
<v Speaker 2>activity whatsoever. The second week was treatment week using the

0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Magic wand once a day every day for seven days.

0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:15.160
<v Speaker 2>And the third week was regular week where sex by

0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:17.360
<v Speaker 2>myself and or with my partner with and without the

0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Magic wand sex as usual. And I did this experiment

0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:23.120
<v Speaker 2>about a year and a half ago, and the results

0:46:23.239 --> 0:46:28.239
<v Speaker 2>were unbelievable, Like my confidence increased nineteen percent from abstinence

0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:32.719
<v Speaker 2>week through treatment week. I've reported better moods, less stress,

0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:36.040
<v Speaker 2>less anxiety during the Magic Wand week, i got hornier

0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:39.480
<v Speaker 2>over time instead of less horny. Like I hypothesized, Wow,

0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:42.640
<v Speaker 2>fascinating results that I had. And I went back to

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:45.239
<v Speaker 2>Magic Wand again and said, let's do this for real,

0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:49.200
<v Speaker 2>this time with a lead researcher. And we recruited doctor

0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Candice Nicole Hargin's an amazing black woman who is this

0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:57.840
<v Speaker 2>sexuality professor who has dozens of research studies under her belt,

0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:00.560
<v Speaker 2>and she and I co led a research study that

0:47:00.600 --> 0:47:03.520
<v Speaker 2>we are doing right now with a thousand people doing

0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:08.480
<v Speaker 2>similar a similar experiment to what I did with me

0:47:08.520 --> 0:47:11.279
<v Speaker 2>and my team designed and the results will be out

0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:14.920
<v Speaker 2>this summer and I'm so excited about it, and to

0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:17.600
<v Speaker 2>just finish really quickly on what you said when you

0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:21.200
<v Speaker 2>unlock the sexual pleasure piece, I also found this that

0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:24.919
<v Speaker 2>it unlocked everything else for me, Like once I got

0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:28.080
<v Speaker 2>my sleep in order, relationship connectivity with my partner, once

0:47:28.080 --> 0:47:30.799
<v Speaker 2>my stress was down, and once my sexual pleasure was there,

0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:34.400
<v Speaker 2>I was a happy whole person and it was incredible.

0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:38.319
<v Speaker 1>That is two. I have many questions that which is one.

0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that's because it is the sex, especially in

0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:46.160
<v Speaker 1>the US, is where we carry so much shame and

0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:51.200
<v Speaker 1>so much you know, guilt and hiding, and so if

0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:55.040
<v Speaker 1>you learn how to talk about that thing freely, then

0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:57.799
<v Speaker 1>everything else becomes less scary and you're like, okay, yeah,

0:47:57.880 --> 0:48:01.040
<v Speaker 1>let me do with this family ship right now, right.

0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:03.680
<v Speaker 1>But my question for you is what do you hYP

0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I know you'll get the research out and we'll definitely

0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:07.400
<v Speaker 1>have to do a follow up, but what do you

0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:11.719
<v Speaker 1>hypothesize is the reason for that increase and confidence and

0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:14.680
<v Speaker 1>horniness based off of the structure of we start with

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:18.880
<v Speaker 1>abstinence treatment regular, Yeah, like what is that doing psychologically

0:48:19.239 --> 0:48:20.680
<v Speaker 1>to allow the increase?

0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:24.239
<v Speaker 2>So my idea was that like, because treatment week was

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:26.399
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the three weeks, that there would

0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:30.560
<v Speaker 2>maybe be latent impact to regular week. And so I

0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:34.520
<v Speaker 2>think like for me, I kind of assumed that, oh,

0:48:34.600 --> 0:48:37.680
<v Speaker 2>like you know, there were many hypotheses that I had,

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 2>which one of them was like, oh, that I would

0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:43.400
<v Speaker 2>decrease in horniness over time because I would be forcing

0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:45.720
<v Speaker 2>myself every day to masturbate when I'm not in the mood.

0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:49.680
<v Speaker 2>And it really just showed that like excitement and feeling

0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:53.080
<v Speaker 2>like good in my body and like happy and getting

0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:56.600
<v Speaker 2>that the orgasm and having those endorphins, and that that

0:48:56.719 --> 0:49:00.000
<v Speaker 2>increase in those chemicals and those brain chemicals, those positive

0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:03.719
<v Speaker 2>of brain chemicals, that that kind of fell into me

0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:08.960
<v Speaker 2>being a more confident, less stressed, happier person and like

0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:12.839
<v Speaker 2>this horniness begets horniness thing of like people who write

0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:15.440
<v Speaker 2>into me and you saying how do I get my

0:49:15.520 --> 0:49:18.360
<v Speaker 2>libido back? And it's like, well, are you trying anything?

0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:21.320
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, you know, no, It's like Okay, let's

0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:23.120
<v Speaker 2>just get into a rhythm here.

0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's just turn the car on. Just turn the

0:49:26.400 --> 0:49:26.880
<v Speaker 1>car on.

0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:30.000
<v Speaker 2>And that's where sex toys can really be, like like

0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:34.600
<v Speaker 2>you said, liberating for people because they are like accessible

0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:37.440
<v Speaker 2>to people. They're inclusive, like for folks with disabilities, they

0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:40.080
<v Speaker 2>can use sex toys in order for them to have

0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:42.719
<v Speaker 2>pleasure and potentially reach orgasm. Like there are so many

0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:45.680
<v Speaker 2>great things about sex toys that we really don't talk

0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:48.960
<v Speaker 2>about because it's such a shameful thing for people, right,

0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:51.640
<v Speaker 2>But I really do see it as like a gateway

0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:53.080
<v Speaker 2>to happiness for people.

0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:57.840
<v Speaker 1>I love that. What do you uh for this person?

0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:01.400
<v Speaker 1>What's like Let's let me ask you like basics, like

0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:04.279
<v Speaker 1>for a penis owner and for a Volva owner, what

0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:08.120
<v Speaker 1>are like the basic like beginning, like would you say

0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:09.320
<v Speaker 1>start with the magic Wand.

0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Because I fucking love it. It's one of my favorite

0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:13.799
<v Speaker 2>toys of all time personally, I.

0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Mean it's it's it's one of the highest rated toys

0:50:17.760 --> 0:50:18.440
<v Speaker 1>for a reason.

0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:20.960
<v Speaker 2>It's been abound for over fifty years. Like it's kind

0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:24.160
<v Speaker 2>of synonymous with like the women's rights movement in the seventies,

0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:27.000
<v Speaker 2>and so yeah, I think, I do think, and it's

0:50:27.000 --> 0:50:29.239
<v Speaker 2>interesting because like I'm all up in Reddit and like

0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:31.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm checking out what people think of the Magic Wand

0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:33.440
<v Speaker 2>and read it and people assume that it's just for

0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:36.399
<v Speaker 2>people with volva's but a lot of penis owners love

0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:39.640
<v Speaker 2>the Magic Wand. Really, yes, I think like the because

0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:42.799
<v Speaker 2>the vibration of the Magic Wand is so different from

0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:45.560
<v Speaker 2>so many other sex toys. I think, yeah, is what

0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:47.879
<v Speaker 2>is exciting for penis owners. And I think that they

0:50:48.160 --> 0:50:50.319
<v Speaker 2>play with it on the head of the penis. There's

0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:52.799
<v Speaker 2>so many nerve endings obviously on the head. I think

0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:54.799
<v Speaker 2>they run it on the shaft. I think that they're

0:50:54.840 --> 0:50:56.960
<v Speaker 2>able to kind of also put it on other parts

0:50:56.960 --> 0:50:58.719
<v Speaker 2>of their body that want to.

0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:04.560
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was exclusively for vulva owners, so I'd

0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:06.200
<v Speaker 1>love to hear that you know, it can be used

0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:07.919
<v Speaker 1>for penis owners as well. I would love to try.

0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:11.479
<v Speaker 2>I'll definitely send you on don't worry and yeah, they're

0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:13.719
<v Speaker 2>just there are just so many things obviously that you

0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:16.040
<v Speaker 2>can you can do with it, Like you know, people

0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:20.279
<v Speaker 2>definitely legitimately use it for their like muscles, like their

0:51:20.320 --> 0:51:27.400
<v Speaker 2>leg muscles and back muscles as a back massager for that.

0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:30.759
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, for vulva owners too, like you know, you

0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:33.480
<v Speaker 2>don't have it's so large that you don't have to

0:51:33.560 --> 0:51:36.800
<v Speaker 2>press that hard, and so it covers a really large

0:51:36.840 --> 0:51:40.040
<v Speaker 2>surface area. And so yeah, I personally think the Magic

0:51:40.080 --> 0:51:44.319
<v Speaker 2>Wand is great for for all parts. But yeah, I

0:51:44.360 --> 0:51:47.239
<v Speaker 2>think I would recommend, especially if you do have a

0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:51.120
<v Speaker 2>vulva to start with, and if you like kind of

0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:56.520
<v Speaker 2>like broad stimulation that feels like you like the pressure,

0:51:56.800 --> 0:51:59.600
<v Speaker 2>definitely I would start with the Magic Wand. But if

0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:02.280
<v Speaker 2>you're some one who feels really intimidated by the Magic

0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:06.359
<v Speaker 2>Wand and you're someone who would rather start with a

0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:10.880
<v Speaker 2>smaller kind of accessory or toy, I do think that

0:52:11.360 --> 0:52:14.319
<v Speaker 2>something that fits in your palm, like Dame Products does.

0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Like the palm where like you can hump it, you

0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:19.560
<v Speaker 2>can kind of put it in different areas of your vulva.

0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:22.720
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a really good thing for vulva owners.

0:52:23.040 --> 0:52:26.359
<v Speaker 2>What do you have any like penis owner suggestions for toys?

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:30.400
<v Speaker 1>This is this is like I want to like partner

0:52:30.520 --> 0:52:33.960
<v Speaker 1>with a sex toy company because I have not found

0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:38.440
<v Speaker 1>a toy that I love for my penis. Right, yeah,

0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:41.440
<v Speaker 1>like a stroker or like a stroker or like the

0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:42.879
<v Speaker 1>flesh lights rights or.

0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:47.160
<v Speaker 2>None of them vibrating.

0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:50.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like it's none of that's your favorite thing. Nothing

0:52:50.800 --> 0:52:52.960
<v Speaker 1>has been my favorite. And listen, I you know, as

0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:54.560
<v Speaker 1>you can imagine, I get sent things I have like

0:52:54.719 --> 0:52:58.839
<v Speaker 1>a chest of toys and anything that I'm I'm inspired by,

0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I enjoy my. I enjoy my like anal stimulation kind

0:53:03.120 --> 0:53:05.400
<v Speaker 1>of thing, so my dildos or I really want a

0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:08.479
<v Speaker 1>fuck machine quite honestly love it. Well, I would die

0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:11.960
<v Speaker 1>for that. But I haven't found anything for my penis

0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:14.120
<v Speaker 1>per se that I'm like obsessed with, which is why

0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:16.359
<v Speaker 1>I would really be excited to try the magical wand

0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:19.320
<v Speaker 1>and see if that is a is a vibe.

0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:24.080
<v Speaker 2>But to I do? I agree with you. That's why

0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:26.120
<v Speaker 2>I kind of ask you because I've never really heard

0:53:26.120 --> 0:53:29.239
<v Speaker 2>a penis owner be like this is like exactly the

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:31.799
<v Speaker 2>kind of toy that I want, And I think, like, yeah, yeah,

0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:34.600
<v Speaker 2>toys are just more marketed, I think in gen other

0:53:34.680 --> 0:53:37.440
<v Speaker 2>than flashlights. I think toys are just more marketed to

0:53:37.520 --> 0:53:41.560
<v Speaker 2>people with volvas now like currently or it's kind of

0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:45.480
<v Speaker 2>like a yeah, like a sex doll or you know something, yes, yeah,

0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:49.319
<v Speaker 2>like a monster cock thing where those these kind of

0:53:49.320 --> 0:53:52.239
<v Speaker 2>interesting different toys. But yeah, We've already talked about this

0:53:52.239 --> 0:53:56.040
<v Speaker 2>a million times, like for all body parts, lube, lube, lube,

0:53:56.080 --> 0:53:58.680
<v Speaker 2>like lubel, you've got to use lube no matter what

0:53:58.719 --> 0:53:59.120
<v Speaker 2>you're doing.

0:53:59.440 --> 0:54:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Well. The last you say this, though, just so I

0:54:01.480 --> 0:54:03.719
<v Speaker 1>make sure we answer this is if you want to

0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:08.120
<v Speaker 1>include toys with your partner, how do you how do

0:54:08.200 --> 0:54:10.920
<v Speaker 1>you begin to talk about what that looks like? Yeah?

0:54:10.960 --> 0:54:14.400
<v Speaker 2>I think the key here is to use your word

0:54:14.440 --> 0:54:18.640
<v Speaker 2>as curiosity, So coming to a conversation to your partner,

0:54:19.239 --> 0:54:22.399
<v Speaker 2>not in the moment, saying like, hey, I would love

0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:25.440
<v Speaker 2>to talk to you about something sexy later tonight. Are

0:54:25.480 --> 0:54:29.120
<v Speaker 2>you down, so that they're prepared in a sense, or

0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:31.200
<v Speaker 2>you can even say like, hey, I want to if

0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:32.879
<v Speaker 2>you want to text them even if they're at work,

0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:35.080
<v Speaker 2>or you know what, have you like, Hey, I've been

0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:37.640
<v Speaker 2>like doing some research on sex toys and I want

0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:39.759
<v Speaker 2>to talk to you about it later tonight. Are you

0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:42.160
<v Speaker 2>are you free? You know, like, prepping them so that

0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:45.799
<v Speaker 2>if your partner is notoriously not interested in something like that,

0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:49.560
<v Speaker 2>or you've never had the conversation, they're able to process that,

0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:52.040
<v Speaker 2>not in real time, but prior to the conversation.

0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:53.839
<v Speaker 1>I love that, Yes, And then.

0:54:54.520 --> 0:54:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Say they say yes, right, Like, if they're your partner,

0:54:56.680 --> 0:55:02.239
<v Speaker 2>hopefully they're baller and they're like yeah, sure. And if

0:55:02.280 --> 0:55:05.240
<v Speaker 2>they say like, oh, you know, maybe they're like hmm, okay,

0:55:05.280 --> 0:55:07.520
<v Speaker 2>they might be nervous, right, which is totally okay. You

0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:09.880
<v Speaker 2>can even name that, like, hey, if this makes you nervous,

0:55:09.920 --> 0:55:11.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm a little nervous too, it's okay.

0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:12.000
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:16.160
<v Speaker 2>Communicating over communicating can always be great. Then when we

0:55:16.200 --> 0:55:18.920
<v Speaker 2>get in the moment, you know, maybe you're you're coming

0:55:18.920 --> 0:55:21.799
<v Speaker 2>with some ideas. You're not you're not just saying like, oh,

0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:24.279
<v Speaker 2>like in general, what do you think about sex? Boys,

0:55:24.280 --> 0:55:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you're like, hey, I love it when you when

0:55:26.480 --> 0:55:28.120
<v Speaker 2>you kiss me on my neck and then when you

0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:30.800
<v Speaker 2>play with my nipples. I found this thing that maybe

0:55:30.920 --> 0:55:34.440
<v Speaker 2>allows us to play in a different way. What do

0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:37.200
<v Speaker 2>you think about this? Like, you know, let them focus

0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:40.239
<v Speaker 2>in on one thing in particular, so that they're not

0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:44.480
<v Speaker 2>overthinking things and feeling overwhelmed. So if maybe it's like

0:55:44.600 --> 0:55:47.960
<v Speaker 2>you start with one toy, right, and then you kind

0:55:48.000 --> 0:55:51.040
<v Speaker 2>of see what they say. Now if they respond again,

0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:54.440
<v Speaker 2>if they're your partner, hopefully they say let's fucking do it. Actually,

0:55:54.520 --> 0:55:56.640
<v Speaker 2>one's already on the way, right, Like, maybe they have

0:55:56.719 --> 0:56:00.279
<v Speaker 2>the same idea as you. Hopefully they say like, I'm

0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:02.920
<v Speaker 2>down because your pleasure is my pleasure, right Like, we

0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:05.360
<v Speaker 2>want to be dating people and partnered with people where

0:56:05.520 --> 0:56:07.960
<v Speaker 2>our pleasure is their pleasure and vice versa. If that

0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:09.799
<v Speaker 2>is the dynamic that we have set up with them,

0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:13.800
<v Speaker 2>and if they say, you know, I'm not really interested

0:56:13.840 --> 0:56:16.080
<v Speaker 2>in that, right, Like, I don't want to do that.

0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I think it is important for the person to be

0:56:20.280 --> 0:56:23.799
<v Speaker 2>curious and say like, Okay, I respect that, I understand.

0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:27.080
<v Speaker 2>I'd love to figure out what's going on for you

0:56:27.400 --> 0:56:30.239
<v Speaker 2>on the back end here. I would love to hear

0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:34.239
<v Speaker 2>what you're thinking. Like, let's allow them to have their

0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:37.839
<v Speaker 2>moment of process and respect that and also for us

0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:40.880
<v Speaker 2>to dig a little bit into Is this because they

0:56:40.920 --> 0:56:45.440
<v Speaker 2>are ashamed? Is this because they, you know, are uncomfortable

0:56:45.520 --> 0:56:48.800
<v Speaker 2>with the idea of using a toy? Is this because

0:56:49.040 --> 0:56:53.080
<v Speaker 2>you know there's this horrible kind of idea where certainly

0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:56.160
<v Speaker 2>it can be all genders, but I feel like in general,

0:56:56.320 --> 0:56:59.239
<v Speaker 2>the stereotype is that men think that women using sex

0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:02.239
<v Speaker 2>toys is cheating on them, right Like, so like, is

0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:05.480
<v Speaker 2>that kind of myth that we need to be busted.

0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:08.799
<v Speaker 1>Why don't conscious right, those unconscious beliefs that we're indoctrinated

0:57:08.800 --> 0:57:10.160
<v Speaker 1>with that still playing.

0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Inside of the shame that we have about this, the

0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:14.880
<v Speaker 2>control that we want to have on other people. Yes,

0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:17.360
<v Speaker 2>and so what's going on for that person? And so

0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:20.840
<v Speaker 2>once they and maybe they don't know, listen, maybe they're

0:57:20.880 --> 0:57:21.360
<v Speaker 2>not sure.

0:57:22.040 --> 0:57:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And if.

0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:27.479
<v Speaker 2>They don't know, you can say that's totally okay. Let's

0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:29.680
<v Speaker 2>talk about this in a week, Like I want to

0:57:29.720 --> 0:57:31.800
<v Speaker 2>give you the time and the space to be able

0:57:31.840 --> 0:57:34.120
<v Speaker 2>to talk about this and think about it, and let's

0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:36.760
<v Speaker 2>revisit it because and you can say, why this is

0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:39.560
<v Speaker 2>really important to me. I'm really interested in exploring this

0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:41.560
<v Speaker 2>with you. I think this would be a lot of fun.

0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:44.360
<v Speaker 2>And if we don't like it, we can stop. And

0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:49.840
<v Speaker 2>so respectful, yeah, transparent, communicative, allowing them to process their feelings.

0:57:49.880 --> 0:57:51.320
<v Speaker 2>And then you see where that goes.

0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:54.200
<v Speaker 1>I love that because ultimately it goes back to everything

0:57:54.200 --> 0:57:56.480
<v Speaker 1>you've said, which is the patience of it. It's like,

0:57:56.640 --> 0:57:58.480
<v Speaker 1>we don't have to get to ten right now, right

0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:02.800
<v Speaker 1>to respect that there's a journey here and so giving

0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:05.480
<v Speaker 1>each other time and space to go on the journey.

0:58:05.480 --> 0:58:07.760
<v Speaker 1>And if we're partners we're going on this journey together,

0:58:08.280 --> 0:58:11.560
<v Speaker 1>and we're not always going to be aligned always. But

0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:13.480
<v Speaker 1>your partner might need a little bit more time to

0:58:13.520 --> 0:58:15.040
<v Speaker 1>catch up to you, or you might need more time

0:58:15.080 --> 0:58:17.480
<v Speaker 1>to catch up to them. And so this willingness to

0:58:17.520 --> 0:58:20.920
<v Speaker 1>come to each other curiously and compassionately, right, it's not

0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:26.120
<v Speaker 1>like well, it's just like no anger, It's curiosity. I

0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:27.960
<v Speaker 1>want to know more, and I want to give you

0:58:28.000 --> 0:58:30.080
<v Speaker 1>space to think about something you may and not have

0:58:30.120 --> 0:58:32.680
<v Speaker 1>spoken thought about before, exactly because I love.

0:58:32.560 --> 0:58:36.320
<v Speaker 2>That we're only human and we are only able to

0:58:37.240 --> 0:58:40.960
<v Speaker 2>understand things from the messages that we have received, right,

0:58:41.040 --> 0:58:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Like if we receive things that say sex toys are

0:58:43.920 --> 0:58:46.640
<v Speaker 2>weird and they are not appropriate, or I don't want

0:58:46.680 --> 0:58:48.200
<v Speaker 2>to use these kinds because of X, Y and Z,

0:58:48.400 --> 0:58:50.560
<v Speaker 2>or if you're homophobic and you're like, I don't want

0:58:50.560 --> 0:58:52.760
<v Speaker 2>to use an anal toy. Like, there's so many things

0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:56.480
<v Speaker 2>that we are having to unlearn that we need to

0:58:56.520 --> 0:58:58.560
<v Speaker 2>have patience with each other and with ourselves.

0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:01.840
<v Speaker 1>I love that dB, before we go, one of the

0:59:01.880 --> 0:59:03.520
<v Speaker 1>other things that we want to talk about was just

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<v Speaker 1>a little hokeeping about abortion pills versus plan B. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so will you because you know we are an educational

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<v Speaker 1>pod here, so I do and you have the knowledge,

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<v Speaker 1>so will you talk to us about that, especially in

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<v Speaker 1>the times that we're in. I feel like this information

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<v Speaker 1>is incredibly important and valuable, So will you break that

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<v Speaker 1>down for us.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for giving me the airtime on this,

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<v Speaker 2>because listen, I am up in my threads account and

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<v Speaker 2>people are in the comments very confused whenever I'm kind

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<v Speaker 2>of making, you know, threads or tweet whatever about Plan

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<v Speaker 2>B versus abortion, and people think that they are one

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<v Speaker 2>and the same. And I'm here to tell you Plan

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<v Speaker 2>B is not an abortion. I'll repeat that for the

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<v Speaker 2>folks in the back. Plan B is not an abortion.

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<v Speaker 2>And you might be wondering what's the difference.

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<v Speaker 1>What.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me get some information on these things. So Plan

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<v Speaker 2>B TLDR. Plan B prevents pregnancy before it starts. It

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<v Speaker 2>prevents a pregnancy, and abortion pills end a pregnancy after

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<v Speaker 2>it has begun. So Plan B is prevention and abortion

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<v Speaker 2>pills end an existing pregnancy. And so there are a

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<v Speaker 2>few pieces of information that I just wanted to share

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<v Speaker 2>about each of these things. And you know, Plan B

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of like the you know, the brand name essentially,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it works by stopping or delaying ovulation and

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<v Speaker 2>preventing fertilization. But if you're already pregnant, it won't work.

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<v Speaker 2>So it only prevents a pregnancy. And it's most effective

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<v Speaker 2>within seventy two hours. It can be taken up to

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<v Speaker 2>five days, and the effectiveness is very high. Within seventy

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<v Speaker 2>two hours, it's seventy five to eighty nine percent effective.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can buy it on at CBS. You can

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<v Speaker 2>buy it on Amazon one day delivery, like if you

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<v Speaker 2>are in need of it, highly recommend. If you're listening

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<v Speaker 2>to this episode and you have a partner who might

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<v Speaker 2>get pregnant or you might get pregnant, just stock it

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<v Speaker 2>in your mind in cabinet. Just have a Plan B

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<v Speaker 2>pill for when you need it, and you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to feel overwhelmed and you know, go crazy and feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you need to run to the you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>have it and then you're able to take it. And

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<v Speaker 2>some side effects are mild and temporary, like nausea, fatigue, headache, spotting,

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<v Speaker 2>changes in menstruation. But it is safe and reliable. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I want to say about Plan B and

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<v Speaker 2>abortion pills. As I said, end an existing pregnancy. They

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<v Speaker 2>use two medications, mif apristone, which stops the pregnancy from growing,

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<v Speaker 2>and mesa prostal, which expels the pregnancy from the uterus,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's typically effective within the first eleven weeks of pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredibly effective and safe ninety three to ninety eight percent

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<v Speaker 2>effective if used within the recommended timeframe, and it does

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<v Speaker 2>require a prescription and consultation with a healthcare provider. Some

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<v Speaker 2>side effects cramping, heavy bleeding, nausea, fever, chills. The symptoms

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<v Speaker 2>are similar to a miscarriage. So I think the reason

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<v Speaker 2>why this is so important for me to say on

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<v Speaker 2>the show is because, please, especially in the current political landscape,

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<v Speaker 2>like if we are not operating from the same medically accurate,

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<v Speaker 2>non judgmental information. Yeah, and we're making laws about these

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<v Speaker 2>things that prohibit women and queer people and people with

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<v Speaker 2>uterses from getting the care they need. We as a

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<v Speaker 2>community need to be informing each other of what the

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<v Speaker 2>facts are and where people can get the care that

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<v Speaker 2>they need. So yeah, again, really happy to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about this on this show. So thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for so much letting me have the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, thank you so much. Yeah, you know, we are

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<v Speaker 1>in this together. We are a community, and so this

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<v Speaker 1>type of information and education is vital and important. So

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for being able to be here and share

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<v Speaker 1>it with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well you know we're hose here, but hose with heart.

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<v Speaker 1>So before we go, I want to speak to yours.

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<v Speaker 1>I so enjoyed dB. We instantly vibed. We've like never

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<v Speaker 1>met in person. This is our first time getting to

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<v Speaker 1>meet and talk. And I did their podcast, which you

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<v Speaker 1>can check out. It's called sex Ed with dB. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's some of the things that really stuck out for me.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, picking a toy and the steps to

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<v Speaker 1>picking that toy, you know, considering what your price point is,

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<v Speaker 1>what you want the material to feel like, and what

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stimulation do you want internal or external. I

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<v Speaker 1>think those are such incredible checkpoints to begin because sex

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<v Speaker 1>toys and sex stores can be so overwhelming. I was

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<v Speaker 1>just in one a couple of weeks ago, and I

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<v Speaker 1>knew what I was looking for, but there was like

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<v Speaker 1>only it's like it's like a tune floor store, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was like maybe one or two people working, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, if this was my first time here,

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<v Speaker 1>I would be overwhelmed. I like Loki have a fantasy

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<v Speaker 1>of starting a sex toys store that's like an Apple

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<v Speaker 1>store or like a you know where there's just like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a bunch of a sexual geniuses walking around.

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<v Speaker 1>So then you're like welcomed in and they can help,

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<v Speaker 1>and it makes it very relatable, very you know, not

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<v Speaker 1>you know, over stimulating, But anyways, I think that the

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<v Speaker 1>price point, material, feeling, and you know what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stimulation are such great checkpoints and will help you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of start to whittle things down. Also like nose ask

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<v Speaker 1>your bestie, you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>one of the people in your life has a dope toy.

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<v Speaker 1>And so at the next brunch, you know, after a

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<v Speaker 1>little margarita or a little momssa, just be like, y'all

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<v Speaker 1>got toys? What toys y'all like it? What toys y'all

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<v Speaker 1>vibing with? What? Literally, what toys y'all vibing with? Also,

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<v Speaker 1>going to a sex toy store with your partner can

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<v Speaker 1>maybe feel overwhelming, but go with your best you. My

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<v Speaker 1>Besty and I went to called Rough Trade over in

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<v Speaker 1>Silver here in Los Angeles, uh, and it was so

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<v Speaker 1>much fun. We like trying all our different harnesses. We

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<v Speaker 1>know picked out a Nu dildo for me. You picked

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<v Speaker 1>out a new toy. It was it was the best,

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<v Speaker 1>So highly recommend a bestie trip to the Sex Storm. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about learning about your shame so that you

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<v Speaker 1>can be comfortable masturbating, because even before introducing toys with

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<v Speaker 1>your partner, you know, how comfortable are you playing with

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<v Speaker 1>yourself by yourself? There's so much to learn, Like, truly,

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<v Speaker 1>do not underestimate investing in learning about your body, investing

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<v Speaker 1>in investigating your body. There's there's so much there beyond

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, your turn ons. That's like the surface level.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think the curiosity that you can bring to

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<v Speaker 1>this really vulnerable space which is the bedroom and your body,

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<v Speaker 1>will then extend to other areas in your life and

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<v Speaker 1>you'll find other places where you're like, well, I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if I could be curious about how I approach work,

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<v Speaker 1>how I approach family, how I approach raising kids, how

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<v Speaker 1>I approach being in relationship with a romantic partner, how

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<v Speaker 1>I approach being in relationship with my friends. It just

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<v Speaker 1>gives you that muscle that you get to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>flex and build and get stronger. So I cannot recommend

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<v Speaker 1>enough that if you are uncomfortable with masturbation, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>talking to a therapist or finding a sex therapist, finding

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<v Speaker 1>a sex coach, you know, finding the books, these podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>the resources invest in it, invest in investigating what else. Well, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>your identity is tied to your sex so much of

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<v Speaker 1>who we are, you know. I said this to somebody

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<v Speaker 1>and they were surprised by it. I'm sure I've said

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<v Speaker 1>it on the shore already, but they were so surprised

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<v Speaker 1>by it that I was like, Oh, I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to say this more often, that your sex activates

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<v Speaker 1>all all of the labels of your identity. I do

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<v Speaker 1>not believe that you can talk about sex without talking

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<v Speaker 1>about your cultural background, without talking about your religious upbringing,

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<v Speaker 1>without talking about you know, your class, without talking about

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<v Speaker 1>your gender, you know, without talking of course, without talking

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<v Speaker 1>about your sexual orientation. All these things impact how you

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<v Speaker 1>do or don't show up for yourself in the bedroom.

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<v Speaker 1>All of those things sor right by the way, I'm recording,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in New York right now as I'm recording this,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm doing home church. So if you hear motherfucking

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<v Speaker 1>sirens and hawking horns in the background, as because it's

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<v Speaker 1>New York babe. Anyways, all of those things, all of

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<v Speaker 1>those pieces of our identity show up in sex, show

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<v Speaker 1>up in how we enjoy or don't enjoy sex, what

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<v Speaker 1>makes us curious or afraid of sex? All of all

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<v Speaker 1>of that stuff, the labels of our identity are impacted.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why I also say it's important to invest

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<v Speaker 1>in investigating, because you're gonna learn so much more than

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<v Speaker 1>just what toys you want or how to masturbate. You're

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<v Speaker 1>going to learn about who you are. Now. That three

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<v Speaker 1>week masturbation experiment was so fascinating and I can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>to follow up with dB the abstinence a week, the

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<v Speaker 1>treatment week with the magic wand once a day, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the regular week of sex with yourself or with

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<v Speaker 1>a partner as usual. I don't know, it's such a

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious about doing this for myself, and I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if y'all will do it for yourself. I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the magic wand yet, but you know, with whatever toy

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<v Speaker 1>that you like, that that idea that you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>order to get over that hump of fear or get

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<v Speaker 1>over that hump of not knowing, maybe build yourself a

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<v Speaker 1>little strategy, a little like intentional. Oh, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>intentionally abstain from any time of sexual play, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to intentionally engage daily for however long that is,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you give yourself five minutes or you give yourself

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<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes, you give yourself for an hour, whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 1>But to be intentional about you know, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>investigate this and then being intentional about you know, will

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<v Speaker 1>I now have sex with my partner or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>without the toy, with the toy, I think it's I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's so much to learn there and I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>excited to hear what dB learns from that research. Captflieve

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<v Speaker 1>You've got a thousand people to try this out. That's

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<v Speaker 1>so exciting because also I don't know how much you

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<v Speaker 1>know depending on how much you are plugged into the

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<v Speaker 1>sex space. Getting funding for any kind of sexual research

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<v Speaker 1>is really difficult because societally and culturally we don't value it.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's why a lot of the sex research

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<v Speaker 1>we have one skews towards penis owners and skews towards

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<v Speaker 1>white cisgender folks. Right, there's not when you start getting

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<v Speaker 1>into women trans folks on binary queerness, you know when

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<v Speaker 1>you start adding in race, religion, all these other things,

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<v Speaker 1>there isn't as much research out there because there isn't

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<v Speaker 1>as much research in general about sex. But it's certainly

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<v Speaker 1>not when we start adding the intersectionality of things, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why I'm telling you your sex is tied to

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<v Speaker 1>all of those things. And so you know, if if

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<v Speaker 1>you know our societies won't fund the research you research,

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<v Speaker 1>you find a way to do your own personal research. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That was yeah, I mean there were so many things,

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<v Speaker 1>but those really stuck out. I would love to hear

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<v Speaker 1>what suck out for you. So you can always email

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<v Speaker 1>me at tell Me Something Messy at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you so much. You can find dB on

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<v Speaker 1>ed with dB at gmail dot com. You can find

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<v Speaker 1>Until next time, ask about the politics of that dick

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<v Speaker 1>someone else you might like it. Tell Me Something Messy

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<v Speaker 1>was executive produced by Ali Perry, Gabrielle Collins, and Yours Truly.

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<v Speaker 1>Our producer and editor is Vince Dejohnny. For more podcasts

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