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Speaker 1: This is Chase Utley and this is the Philly Show. Hi, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Philly Show. Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury,

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Speaker 1: Todd's Lucky Wednesday, August twenty eighth, twenty twenty four. Guys,

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Speaker 1: how are we doing, Ruben? You're showing a uh I'm

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Speaker 1: teasing your tea knockoff. You're talking.

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Speaker 2: We got him coming. It's a knockoff.

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Speaker 3: That's the uhmer is coming. It's the bullpen cart that

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Speaker 3: used to meet tug At when you give you his.

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Speaker 2: Jacket, that's all right, that's right.

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Speaker 1: I wish they had the bullpen carts still, just to

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Speaker 1: just to roll it out for old times sake.

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Speaker 2: You know, I do love that cart. I think it's

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Speaker 2: the coolest thing. I think they might have one in

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Speaker 2: the ballpark somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dig that. They gotta dig that thing out, especially

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Speaker 1: on Thursday nights when they were in the record.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: For those listening in their car, Ruben's got a Phillies

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Speaker 1: Show bullpen cart t shirt on to knockoff without us

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Speaker 1: in it. Without us, And it's always better when we're

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Speaker 1: in the cart driving at great point, Jimmy, are you

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Speaker 1: driving that cart? You're on the left hand side.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm driving with my foot.

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Speaker 2: I do like the fact that you're hanging out to

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Speaker 2: the side though, j Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I've been there before, hanging out of a golf cart.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, guys. The last couple of games for

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Speaker 1: the Phillies pretty pretty good. Bryce Harper hits that walk

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Speaker 1: off hit on Monday night. Aaron Nola just dials it

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Speaker 1: up on Tuesday night. Last night, Nick Castianis hits a

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Speaker 1: big home run, three run home run on Tuesday. Are

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Speaker 1: we feeling about how they've been playing the last four game,

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Speaker 1: they won four in a row. They can sweep tonight,

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Speaker 1: get the first five game winning streak since May, seems

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Speaker 1: like again, Jim, we talked about this the other day, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of doom and gloom last week,

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Speaker 1: but a little bit different vibe going on right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a lot of doom and gloom, and

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Speaker 3: some people scoffed at me when I said my panic

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Speaker 3: meter was at one point five when I take my pulse.

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Speaker 1: But they did kill you for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, no panic that. I just looked

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Speaker 3: at the standings. Guess what, They're tied for the best

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Speaker 3: record in baseball again. They've won four in a row.

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Speaker 3: The offenses awakened just enough, just enough. The starting pitching

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Speaker 3: has been very good the last turn through, maybe the

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Speaker 3: last two turns turn plus, they've hit some bombs. They

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Speaker 3: are much better team when the ball ends over the fence.

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Speaker 3: And you can say that about pretty much every team

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Speaker 3: because home runs are big, and that's a lot of

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Speaker 3: the way that the game has played today. But getting

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Speaker 3: on base a little bit more, you still gotta take

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Speaker 3: care of those advantage of those opportunities that call for

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Speaker 3: some good situational hitting. But good teams will do that.

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Speaker 3: But you know, they're bashing the ball just enough. Here.

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Speaker 3: They had a couple of eleven run games in Kansas

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Speaker 3: City last night. You mentioned Castianus with that three run

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Speaker 3: home run, very very clutched, very timely. He sniffed out

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Speaker 3: that breaking ball. It was a twelve sixer. It didn't

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Speaker 3: break off the plate to kind of gives him trouble.

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Speaker 3: He sniffed it out and he drove it into the seats.

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Speaker 3: So and Aaron Nola just made it all stand up.

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Speaker 3: He he has been brilliant, you know his last three

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Speaker 3: or four, you know, last like twenty four innings. I

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Speaker 3: think he's given up like four in runs. I feel

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Speaker 3: like a lot of things are coming together at the

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Speaker 3: right time. Now with thirty games left, we're constantly asked,

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Speaker 3: are they back. I'm not going there. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 3: say they're back to me. They're back when they're when

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Speaker 3: they're on the parade, you know, float down Broad Street,

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Speaker 3: That's when they're back, because that's what this is all about.

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Speaker 3: But you know what, they're playing bad at a good time.

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Speaker 3: They've won two series in a row. That's been a

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Speaker 3: magic recipe for them winning series, and they've they've taken

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Speaker 3: care of the Houston Astros here taking the first two.

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Speaker 3: And wouldn't it be something if Taiwan Walker went out

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Speaker 3: there later on today and had one of had it,

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Speaker 3: had his best start of the season and helped them

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Speaker 3: lock down a sweep going into the final month, that

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Speaker 3: would be that would be something to see. I think

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Speaker 3: this is actually a fascinating day, you know, this Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: going for the sweep against Houston with your weak link

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Speaker 3: on the mound, a guy who's really struggled, the guy

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Speaker 3: everybody's clamoring to, you know, bounce him out of here,

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Speaker 3: and let's let's see what happens. I think it has

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Speaker 3: a chance to be some very interesting theater ninety seven degrees.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing that's back. Summer's back ninety seven today

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Speaker 3: Taiwan Walker on the mound, Ruben Tomorrow, sweat and bullets

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Speaker 3: in that beautiful jacket last night, Ruber. I loved that jacket.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That was a great jacket.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the love. You will make great points. I

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Speaker 2: think back right now to a couple of different things. One,

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Speaker 2: I think back to what Chase Utley said when I

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Speaker 2: was in La Listen, this team's got to go through

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Speaker 2: a tough time and they got to go through some

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Speaker 2: adversity and they got to bounce back and be playing

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Speaker 2: well when it's time to play well. And he may

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Speaker 2: be a soothsayer, because it looks like that sort of

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Speaker 2: thing is happening right now. I couldn't for the life

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Speaker 2: of me. People were asking me the same thing, like,

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Speaker 2: what is going on with the Phillies? What is going on? Well,

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Speaker 2: I think and as I think about it now, I

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Speaker 2: think it's about the starting pitching, and it's about and

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Speaker 2: that's where it starts, and for me, that's where it ends.

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Speaker 2: When the starting pitching is going well, which was and

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Speaker 2: it was the best in all of baseball in the

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Speaker 2: first two months of the season. All of baseball. Maybe

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Speaker 2: Seattle was the only other team that was as good

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Speaker 2: or maybe to touch better. But Seattle had no offense

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Speaker 2: at all, and they still don't have any offense, but

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Speaker 2: they still have pretty good pitching. So they're sort of

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Speaker 2: in the race. The Phillies. They're pitching rotation. Suarez going down,

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Speaker 2: that was huge, and I back now about Suarez coming

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Speaker 2: back and pitching in Kansas City and pitching the way

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Speaker 2: he did, and that was the start of this role

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Speaker 2: they got going. And I think that that in a

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Speaker 2: lot of ways, it's just weird. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it's mental. I don't know if it's physical. It could

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Speaker 2: be a combination of the two. I think that's one

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Speaker 2: of the things that sort of picked this team back up.

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Speaker 2: He came out and pitched his ass off, and it

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Speaker 2: was ranger Suarez of old and it started that turn

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Speaker 2: in the rotation that made it. You know, then you

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Speaker 2: got Suarez and Wheeler and Nola, and you know, Christopher

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Speaker 2: Sanchez is pitching his tail off as well. Obviously, Taiwan

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Speaker 2: Walker struggling and not pitching all that well, but having

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Speaker 2: and this is what Rob Thomas has been talking about

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Speaker 2: all season long. Get those guys healthy, make sure I

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Speaker 2: take care of give him an extra day when they

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Speaker 2: need it, you know, kind of you know, take a

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Speaker 2: long time to get Suarez back after those back spasms

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Speaker 2: took their time. Hopefully he's going to be fine and healthy.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's one of the biggest reasons why

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Speaker 2: these guys are short of back on track.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Jim, like you said, you have a

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Speaker 1: guy pop on every once in a while and that helps.

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Speaker 1: Nick Cassianis last night you mentioned him. He gets a

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Speaker 1: first pitch fastball and he takes it, and after the

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Speaker 1: game he goes, yeah, I was kind of kicking myself

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Speaker 1: because I don't see any fastballs. In fact, he sees

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Speaker 1: fewer fastballs than any any hitter in baseball, you know, Nick,

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Speaker 1: It's just breaking balls and off speed stuff. So then

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Speaker 1: he is going, Okay, now, I'm that's probably the only

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Speaker 1: fastball I'm going to get in this at bat. So

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Speaker 1: he sits breaking ball and Justin Verlander throws him an No.

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Speaker 1: he was sitting spin. So I threw him a first

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Speaker 1: have thrown him another fastball, but I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: He's like, and I just had to basically said, I

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Speaker 1: kind of had a bad feeling about him. Looking back,

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Speaker 1: I wish I could go back, because there's no doubt

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Speaker 1: in my mind. He's like, you'll have to go ask Nick,

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Speaker 1: but I bet you he is sitting something soft on

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Speaker 1: that old one pitch, And sure enough he was, because

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Speaker 1: he said, I knew I was going to get something

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Speaker 1: with some spin on it. But he's been We talked

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Speaker 1: a lot about him. He's been really good over the

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Speaker 1: last really since mid May. I think he's forty first

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Speaker 1: in OPS and baseball out of like one hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty three failures, so he's top thirty percent in baseball

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Speaker 1: in terms of OPS. He's really been putting together. He's

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Speaker 1: now hitting fifth. He talked, we talked about us, remember

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Speaker 1: this earlier in the season, he was kind of complaining

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Speaker 1: said last night, He's like, I love I'm basically a

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Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of the lineup. Rob Thomas said,

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Speaker 1: you got to earn that spot, though, and he's earned it.

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Speaker 1: He's earned a spot. You know, you don't just get

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Speaker 1: and he's produced lately. So now he's been hitting fourth

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Speaker 1: fifth the last twelve thirteen games.

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Speaker 2: Jim, I got to give it. I gotta get some

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Speaker 2: love for them, because you talked about it from the

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Speaker 2: beginning about how the back of the baseball football card matters,

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Speaker 2: and you talked about you know, you talked about Nick

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Speaker 2: Castianos a lot during the early part of the season

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Speaker 2: if everybody wanted a Cana guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just felt like, you don't put up all

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Speaker 3: those good seasons and all those doubles and all that

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Speaker 3: slug by accident. And he's not old, but he is streaky,

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Speaker 3: and I just thought he was going through a bad streak,

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Speaker 3: and I thought we were going to see it almost

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Speaker 3: like an equally good streak at some point. We have

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Speaker 3: been very very important player throughout that you know, two

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Speaker 3: and a half month scuffle that this team has had,

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Speaker 3: helping them stay afloat with those occasional bolts, you know,

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Speaker 3: bolts of lightning to the gap here and there. So

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Speaker 3: that breaking ball and he hit from Verland, it was

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Speaker 3: the perfect shape for him. If it was something off

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Speaker 3: the plate, those are the ones that give him trouble,

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Speaker 3: but just a great piece of reaction reaction hitting, and

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Speaker 3: it was it was a difference maker in that game.

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Speaker 3: Fascinating to hear, you know, how Verlander's mind was working there.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, really, he's a he's he's a he's a

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Speaker 3: cerebral picture, he's a veteran picture. He's not afraid to,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, let you in on what he's thinking.

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Speaker 3: And that creates a really interesting storyline for people who

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Speaker 3: between the hitter and the picture of what they're thinking.

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Speaker 3: So I really enjoyed reading about that today and your

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Speaker 3: story Todd.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was you kind of hear those things that

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Speaker 1: you kind of nerd out as a as a baseball fan,

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Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, he's like, you know, he talked about

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Speaker 1: Active and we are back, gentlemen. We put out a

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Elizabeth, Elizabeth?

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Speaker 3: I see him. He's an emotional guy. You know. I

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Speaker 3: I'd be careful to squeal shit because I think that's

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Speaker 3: You're good hitter. We're here. A lot of the reason

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Speaker 3: we're here is because of you. Don't get too frustrated.

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Speaker 3: It's going to happen for you.

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Speaker 1: Stop breaking helmets.

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Speaker 3: You ever heard a story about at Lee was a serial, quiet,

434
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Speaker 3: stealthy helmet breaker, and nobody knows like because he never

435
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Speaker 3: would do it out in public, out on the field.

436
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Speaker 2: He's smart, he's smart about it.

437
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 3: Snaps he would snap up up up up in the

438
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Speaker 3: tunnel where nobody could see it. And I feel comfortable

439
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 3: telling this because I wrote the story years ago. But

440
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 3: there was one season he broke like seven helmets and

441
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Speaker 3: Phil Sheridan, the equipment man, great equipment man with the

442
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Speaker 3: Philly's been there forever and does great job. Phil Sheridan

443
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Speaker 3: went up to him and said, like in September, said,

444
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Speaker 3: hey man, you got to cool it. This is my

445
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Speaker 3: last helmet. This is the last helmet I got for

446
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 3: you in your your size or whatever, and so you

447
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 3: gotta control your snaps. A little bit, so guys care

448
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 3: they blow off steam. I just think people are like,

449
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 3: oh my god, is he is he burying himself? Is

450
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 3: he quitting on himself when it happens out on the field.

451
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 3: But so just bring it inside where nobody can see it,

452
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 3: and then when you retire, we'll tell all the stories

453
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Speaker 3: about the helmet you broke.

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Speaker 1: Just keep in mind, you know, like I wonder, do

455
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Speaker 1: you does a player finally start getting charged like and

456
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Speaker 1: that at one point is day they go all right, Chase,

457
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Speaker 1: we gotta start charging you for these helmets. I mean,

458
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Speaker 1: this is getting ridiculous, you know what I mean. I

459
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Speaker 1: don't know what a helmet costs, but it's over one

460
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars, I bet for sure.

461
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Speaker 2: When I played. When I played, they probably would charge,

462
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Speaker 2: would have charged. Yeah, I think it broke a couple,

463
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Speaker 2: but they didn't give me very couple of them. I

464
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 2: had reason to break a lot of them because I

465
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: made a ton of outs.

466
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Speaker 3: But they don't. They don't charge for anything anymore. When

467
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 3: I started coming, when I started covering baseball, Todd, I

468
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 3: remember covering Triple A baseball and guy in Patucket where

469
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 3: it was cold in April, and guys were like beg

470
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Speaker 3: borrowing and stealing to get sleeves, you know, cold weather sleeves.

471
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Speaker 3: They had to buy their own undershirts. Do you remember

472
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Speaker 3: those days, Ribbon?

473
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Speaker 2: Oh? Do I remember those days? Come on, dude, I

474
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Speaker 2: mean we were making like three dollars an hour. I

475
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 2: worked it out to like fifty cents an hour with

476
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Speaker 2: all the hours we put in, and.

477
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Speaker 3: Now they get everything they need, tons.

478
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Speaker 2: Of It's a different world now, man. These guys are

479
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 2: living a life of luxury now in the Minor Lakes.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy.

481
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Speaker 1: Jose Alvarado question, is there any news on Jose Alvarado?

482
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Speaker 1: Do you think whatever issue is he is he has

483
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Speaker 1: is affecting his pitching. That's from bow ninety two to

484
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Speaker 1: ninety two on Instagram. The only thing I can say

485
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Speaker 1: is that, you know. Rob Thompson says he does not

486
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Speaker 1: know when he will be back. For those who don't know,

487
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Speaker 1: Jose Jose Alvarad has been placed on the restricted list

488
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Speaker 1: left the team for personal matter. Rob Thompson says he

489
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Speaker 1: does not know when he will be back, but he

490
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Speaker 1: does expect him back this season. I spoke to somebody

491
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Speaker 1: else yesterday saying they're trying to you know, take care.

492
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Speaker 1: You know, they're they're they're they're expecting that he will

493
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Speaker 1: be back this season, hopefully sooner rather than later. But

494
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Speaker 1: there's only thirty some games left. So to me, I'm

495
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Speaker 1: do you guys have any thoughts on how they're going

496
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Speaker 1: to handle his absence. I know he's been super inconsistent,

497
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Speaker 1: but he's been their best pitcher against left handed hitting

498
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Speaker 1: like left these are hitting one thirty four hundred ohps

499
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Speaker 1: against them against him, how do they handle that? Rob

500
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Speaker 1: Thompson said, Tanner Banks and Ryan Kirkering. But Ryan Kirkering

501
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Speaker 1: has been it's been okay against left these. He hasn't

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Speaker 1: been great, but that's a loss.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, to me, it's to me, it's really

504
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 2: about guys just stepping up, stepping forward. I mean, he

505
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: had been struggling. My biggest concern is for the guy.

506
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what's going on with him. I have

507
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 2: no idea. I tried to poke around to find out,

508
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: but the reality of it is, I have no idea

509
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Speaker 2: what it is. I just hope he's fine, and I

510
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Speaker 2: just hope the man's okay because I have a great

511
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Speaker 2: deal of respect and I love the guy. He's a

512
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Speaker 2: fantastic teammate. He's important in that bullpen, if not just

513
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Speaker 2: for his presence, and he's an outstanding pitcher when he's on.

514
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Speaker 2: I mean he's really really good, and I just hope

515
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Speaker 2: he's okay.

516
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Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, really good man, good hearted guy, good

517
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Speaker 3: in the clubhouse, big smile, loves everybody, so you know,

518
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Speaker 3: all the best to him. The recipe might be what

519
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 3: they got last night, try to get seven good ones

520
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: from the I mean, you've rested the rotation periodically throughout

521
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Speaker 3: the season because you know you want to play big

522
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Speaker 3: games in September and October. If you could get seven

523
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: and shorten the from your starter, shortened the billpen a

524
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Speaker 3: little bit, I think that might be a really good

525
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Speaker 3: recipe going forward. We see a lot of times in

526
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Speaker 3: the postseason bullpen's rain, bullpen's rule the day, But like

527
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 3: pitching backward a little bit, I think starting pitching could

528
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Speaker 3: rule this day for the Phillies down to stretch and

529
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Speaker 3: into October, trying to get seven, shorten up your bullpen

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Speaker 3: and see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Hey, let's just say, well, do you guys see that

532
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Speaker 2: stack that they have won thirty in a row? Thirty

533
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Speaker 2: games in a row, when the pitchers could go on

534
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Speaker 2: seven seven innings in the very first I think it

535
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Speaker 2: was the very first game of the season. They didn't

536
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Speaker 2: win the first game of the season. I think somebody

537
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Speaker 2: won seven innings. Since then, thirty straight games of wins,

538
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Speaker 2: thirty and one. It's insane. Yeah, that's how important going

539
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: seven innings is. I mean, look at that. I mean

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Speaker 2: it's insane. Thirty and one. That's that. That is a

541
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Speaker 2: big number. That's why it's so important to get length

542
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Speaker 2: out of your starters. People have to remember that. Somebody

543
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: and some executive has to understand that number because it

544
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: doesn't lie.

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Speaker 1: Dave Debrowski likes that. I know that. Damn he's about they.

546
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Speaker 2: Get because you know baseball.

547
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Dave does like the old school nature of this

548
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: rotation and throwing guys out there for six seven innings,

549
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: seven innings. I've preferred a couple questions on September call ups.

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Speaker 1: September call ups question mark. That's from weight man Stats

551
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Speaker 1: on Instagram. Is there anyone at Lehigh Valley that could

552
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Speaker 1: not be on the average fans radar that could get

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00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: a call up in September? That's from Dave Hyms on

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Speaker 1: x I don't know if there's anybody that's not on

555
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: the radar that could possibly get called up. I don't

556
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Speaker 1: think there's an O Ryan Kirkering down there that that's

557
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: going to come up in September and help. I think

558
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Speaker 1: it might be Cody Clemens. Cody Clemens I think probably

559
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: should come up. I guess you could go third catcher.

560
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you need it. I don't know

561
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Speaker 1: if you need a third catcher with only two now,

562
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Speaker 1: there's only two rosters, two spots that get added to

563
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Speaker 1: the roster in September. So maybe Cody Clemens, he's deserved,

564
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: he's earned it, and then you have Tyler Phillips could

565
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: come up, Michael Rutgers on the forty men roster. Tyler

566
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 1: Gilbert who is just up here, could come up at

567
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: some point. I don't know what they're going to do

568
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: with the pitching, if they're going to go for a

569
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Speaker 1: real length guy or a shorter, you know, more short

570
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: reliever type of guy. But but nothing really super exciting

571
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: for the fans. I don't think, you know, there's not

572
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: Justin Crawford's not coming up in September.

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Speaker 3: I think you might want a little bit of length

574
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Speaker 3: in the picture capability of giving you a little length,

575
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 3: because you still might have to nurse this Taiwan Walker

576
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: thing through the final I mean a month of the season.

577
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: He'll start on Wednesday, and then after that what he'll

578
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 3: have five or six that spot will have five or six.

579
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Speaker 3: So you might have to do a lot of Nixon

580
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 3: and Match to get through that. So that might you

581
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,719
Speaker 3: might want to prioritize multi innings. As far as the catcher,

582
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: that's an interesting one. We all love Marshan. I think

583
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: it was a little banged up recently, but you know,

584
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Speaker 3: I don't know that you have to carry its third

585
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 3: catcher because you can still make moves. If somebody goes down,

586
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 3: you can get them on the roster the next day, right.

587
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Speaker 2: Yeah. See, that's the beauty of what MLB has done.

588
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: You know, I started thinking about the limitations that they

589
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: put on. Now just two guys brought up, So now

590
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Speaker 2: you have a roster of twenty eight that you can maneuver.

591
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: But you can maneuver it because if you have flexibility

592
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: and options for your players. The teams now are playing

593
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Speaker 2: like the Triple A season is now being pushed all

594
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Speaker 2: the way down to almost lined up to the major

595
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Speaker 2: league season now so that those guys continue to play.

596
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Speaker 2: And if you want to make like as if you

597
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Speaker 2: were in the normal season, you want to make roster

598
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Speaker 2: moves now back in the day, that season ended on

599
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Speaker 2: September second or third, and now you had to have

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Speaker 2: certain guys like we would take guys and send them

601
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Speaker 2: to Clearwater and say, okay, here's ten guys that might

602
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: get a chance to play at some point if you

603
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: don't get brought up to the big leagues and just

604
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: be ready, and then you can expand your roster to

605
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: as many as you wanted, but you can still have

606
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: more guys ready. Now you can have guys actually playing

607
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: in baseball games in Triple A and Double A and

608
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: allow them to and and you know, if you have

609
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: roster flexibility, that's why it's important to have that and

610
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: move guys back and forth. Like a pitcher can throw

611
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 2: one day, he can get sent down and you know,

612
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: get sent down and be replaced. So I think it

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00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: it's just a gain again, it's a it's a way

614
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: to maneuver. I think a lot of it will depend

615
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: on what's going on with Alvarado two, whether you want

616
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: another left hander in there, or whether you know, but

617
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: you can you have some flexibility of maneuver around if

618
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: you have options on these guys.

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Speaker 1: Jim, you mentioned Taiwan Walker question. Of course, it's got

620
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Speaker 1: to have a question about timeline Walker. Where the realistic

621
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: options for Walker DFA trade that's from anonymous us on Instagram.

622
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Speaker 1: What do we think it's gonna Taiwan Walker tonight? He

623
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: pitches Wednesday night, they can go for the sweep. It's

624
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: going to be a crazy atmosphere because fans are starting

625
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: to get excited again. So if Taiwan Walker goes out

626
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: and he lays an egg in their first couple innings,

627
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: the booze are going to rain down upon him with

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Speaker 1: oh yes, with great fury. Uh I might I have

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Speaker 1: my Phillies Beat newsletter is going to come out later today.

630
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: I had somebody break down a lot of the stats

631
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Speaker 1: on Taiwan Walker because the Phillies keeps saying they're encouraged.

632
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: Taiwan keeps saying it's going to be coming. But the

633
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: facts are the facts, and he'll probably pitch well tonight

634
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: now that I'm writing this. Chase rate on his splitter

635
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: by season is dropped each year over the past three years.

636
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: It's way down the whiff rate, so that's swing and

637
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 1: miss on his splitter way down. It's twenty nine sixteen

638
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: point eight percent this season. Uh So, now when he's

639
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: fallen behind the count, he's getting Now when he comes

640
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: in the zone, you guys know it, he's getting absolutely crushed.

641
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: He's last in baseball in barrel percentage. That's his balls,

642
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, hit certain exsit velocity, line drives last, and

643
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: average exivelosity ninety two point one last, and hard hit

644
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: percentage fifty. When he's when he's hitters are ahead in

645
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: the counter batting three point fifty three with a one

646
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: point I ops against him. So not a lot of

647
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: there's not really any signs. There's not a lot of positivity.

648
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of signs of these boy he

649
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: could just this is just coming along and you know

650
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: he's all he's just right there. I mean, he's really

651
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: just getting pulverized out there. So I don't know what

652
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: the answer is. I do you guys think he's gonna

653
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: get dfaide this season? Do you think he could get

654
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: dfaid this season? That's a lot of money to eat, right,

655
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: I don't know.

656
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 3: It's a desperate for the roster spot. But I would

657
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: be surprised to see him back next year. Next year,

658
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: but I don't know how they're gonna handle it in

659
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: the short term. Ruben, You've had to make these decisions.

660
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: It's a tough one man. Third eight million dollars is

661
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: a big, big nut. I mean, that's a lot of money.

662
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: And so I know that Middleton doesn't I mean he

663
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 2: cares about money. I mean everybody cares about the money.

664
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 2: I mean when especially when you're when you're having to

665
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: dole out those types of dollars for an unproductive player.

666
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: But I mean in the past, you know, we've we've

667
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: had to make some tough decisions. You know, he's providing

668
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: some depth right now because he is a starting pitcher

669
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 2: and they need somebody to eat some innings.

670
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 5: Uh.

671
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: I know, Alert has pitched pretty darn well at times,

672
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: and Phillips can fill mix in, and there might be

673
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: some other guys that you can throw in the mix,

674
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: but right now, he is a starting pitcher and they

675
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: need some innings to be eaten up, and he needs

676
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 2: somebody to protect the other four guys in that rotation

677
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: and and the bullpen. Now, if he can't, if the

678
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: man is throwing two or three and that's it. They

679
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: may end up going to like a piggyback situation. Who

680
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: knows where they say, Listen, I'm going to get him

681
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: for two or three innings and I'm going to bring

682
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: you know, a long guy in and go from there.

683
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if you can necessarily do

684
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: that when you're going to a six man rotation right now.

685
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure about all the plans that are

686
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: going to be happening over the course of September, but

687
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: he certainly put them in a tough position. If he

688
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 2: was pitching, better to be a much easy position to say, man,

689
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: we're just going to give you the baseball, but you

690
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: just cannot continue to get hammered and get knocked out

691
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: after three innings, because it's just the domino effect on

692
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: the on the bullpen and the rest of the U

693
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: and the rest of the club is just too great.

694
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: Start by start basis. Right now, you know, he's gonna

695
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 3: have to earn his innings, you know, five days later

696
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 3: every time he goes out there, and you know, I

697
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 3: don't know if they can go through another season of

698
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: this unless there's some dramatic improvement and I'm not sure

699
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: that's in the cards at this age, and he's apparently

700
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: pitching healthy, so it's a it's a tough call. I mean,

701
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: all that really matters, though, is right now, in the

702
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: next thirty days, and he's going to get the ball

703
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 3: on Wednesday, and he needs to give them just take

704
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 3: five innings, you know, give me five innings and and

705
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,439
Speaker 3: we'll deal with the five days later, five days later.

706
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: And I just I just don't know if he can

707
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 2: throw it with people ask can throw out of the pen.

708
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: I don't think this guy, I don't think so. I

709
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: don't think he's going to elevate his fastball. I don't

710
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: think that, you know. I think he's giving it all

711
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: he's got right now, and and I think this is

712
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: where he's maxed out.

713
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that.

714
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 3: I don't think you have any trade value in the

715
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 3: off season if you ate a whole bunch. I think

716
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 3: that's iffy.

717
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: I think I think it's possible, but you have to

718
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: eat like almost the entire contract, I mean everybody's I

719
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: mean Todd gave the numbers. I mean, if you're looking

720
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 2: at the numbers, you're just hoping that the guy bounces back.

721
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: In some way, shape or form, and you don't really

722
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: want to pay much for the guy.

723
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 3: And if if there's a chance they're going to let

724
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: him go and you can get him from the minimum,

725
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: why would to give up a player?

726
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: Right, No doubt exactly.

727
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: Uh see, when I don't know, if there's ruben, you

728
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: might have a good story on this all. I'll ask

729
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: you this one. When trading a player for cash considerations,

730
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: what is the lowest amount that a player has been

731
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: traded for? This is from your Phillies educator on X.

732
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: You remember one dollar and.

733
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: I think I think the max is one hundred grand.

734
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, it has to be approved or yet,

735
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: although you can you can send the player and you know,

736
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: pay down. I mean it also has to be approved

737
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: by by the commissioner's office. Sure, so you can move

738
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: a player and pay him down, but I think I

739
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: think the minimum. I think I may have traded a

740
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: guy for a buck or something like that.

741
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 3: Okay, I remember a trade for zero dollars.

742
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: Who's that.

743
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: They had a minor league pitcher and they traded him

744
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: to the Anaheim Angels for zero.

745
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: That gave well the minor leagues.

746
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: Sort of transferred his contract okay, okay, today is Jim

747
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: Tomey's birthday. I guess this is maybe sent yesterday, and

748
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: Big Jim is known for being one of the nicest

749
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 1: players in MLB history. Who are some of the nicest

750
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: guys you have dealt with? Also, any jerks you wish

751
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: to dump dirt on? That's some steampunk Philly Uh you

752
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: know what. So I'm sure you guys get this too, right,

753
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: I mean, other than like the day to day questions

754
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 1: of why is this guy struggling? Why is that guy's?

755
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: The thing I get asked the most is who's what

756
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: are guys like in the clubhouse? Who do you like?

757
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: Who do who don't you like? Who's the biggest jerk

758
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: in the clubhouse? I'm not going to say who the

759
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: biggest jerks are, but uh, there's been a lot of

760
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: really great guys.

761
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: Because that's because you'll lose them. You can't I mean, yeah, professionally,

762
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: you can't really name those guys. Yeah, for your sake

763
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: and for my sake. I mean, uh, the ones in

764
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: the past, you can, you can toss them out there

765
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: a little bit, but but typically, you know, it's very

766
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: difficult for writers to have to dump on guys, because

767
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: then they don't have any respect from from the guy

768
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: when they want to have a conversation and want to

769
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: do a story about them or talk to them. And

770
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 2: that's a difficult position to put you guys in. But

771
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: you know some great guys, and most of them are

772
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: great guys really honestly, ninety seven percent or ninety nine

773
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: percent of them are pretty darn good guys. Do you

774
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: guys not agree? And then you know you have a

775
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: couple of apples that are you know that that will

776
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: upse up the car.

777
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: The way I always tell people is it's just like

778
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: wherever you work at, you know, if you work in

779
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: an office building, or if you work at a you know,

780
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: car dealership, or wherever you work, right like, most of

781
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: the people you work with are pretty good people. And

782
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: then there might be one or two people are like, man,

783
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: that guy, Oh my god, what an a hole. But

784
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: I will say on this roster, this current roster, and

785
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm not just saying this because these guys are playing

786
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: right now. Most I think I can't think of a

787
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: guy in there that I'm like, Ah, this guy just

788
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: gives me a hard time every single time I go

789
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: up and talk to him. Or this guy causes so

790
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 1: many problems in the clubhouse or whatever. It is a

791
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: really good clubhouse from top to bottom. But I mean

792
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: favorite players, I mean, nicest guys have ever covered me.

793
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: Jim Tolmy obviously there. Love Jeff frank Core we had

794
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: him on the show. He might be my favorite, my

795
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: all time good guy. Just you know, you only play

796
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: with the Phillies for one season. But there's chooch. You know,

797
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: there's all the backup catchers you could talk about, you know,

798
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: from Hoskins, Andrew Knapp, you know, Tommy Joseph we just

799
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: saw him in se Alley's the assistant hitting coach for

800
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: the Mariners. Great guy, you know, but you know, and

801
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: then the star players. To Ryan Howard was always tremendous.

802
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: I always liked talking to Jason where Shane Victorino, I mean,

803
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: the list could go on and on and on.

804
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 3: Shane Victorya was HILARI You know, I love covering Jimmy

805
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: Rollins because he did exciting things on the field and

806
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: he said provocative things after the game. Same with Shilling.

807
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 3: He did exciting things between the lines and he said

808
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 3: interesting things after the game. Yeah, you know, I liked

809
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: all those you know, Jim told me, just gentleman, Jim,

810
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 3: and you mentioned Tommy, Joseph, Michael Franco was a great kid,

811
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 3: remember Michael. Oh, just you know Rico, Bronia, Rex Humbler,

812
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 3: you could just I mean, just Billy Wagner. Just there's

813
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 3: so many good guys. And Brad Lidge.

814
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: I mean, Brad, what a quality human being.

815
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, has this storybook season in two thousand

816
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 3: and eight, and he's more than willing to take you

817
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 3: along for the ride and share it with you as

818
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: a writer so you can write about it, very accommodating.

819
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: The next year is the Season from Hell, and he's

820
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: the same guy. He's very accommodating, you know, it's not

821
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 3: your fault, and just a gentleman. So I could I

822
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 3: could go on for an hour about all the good

823
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 3: people you know, I've met in the game.

824
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's the same here. But the guys that

825
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: come to mind, Jim Tomy was my teammate and then

826
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: I signed him a couple of times, had to trade

827
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: him once or twice. Just just saw to the earth

828
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: man just a wonderful, wonderful human being, almost to the

829
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 2: point where it's just real and it is the other guy.

830
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 2: The other guy that was like that a little bit

831
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: was Mike Sweeney. We didn't him for very long, but

832
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: what a tremendous human being he was. And you mentioned

833
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 2: the other guy, Rex Hadler. I just saw Rex. He's

834
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: doing the TV over there in Kansas City. Man, he

835
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 2: is just an absolute treat man. I just I love him.

836
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: He's so positive, he's such a I mean, there's so

837
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 2: many different characters in the game. I have some great

838
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 2: friends in the game. Gary DiSarcina who was a teammate

839
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: and a coachmate of mine, Paul Sorrento, same thing. I mean,

840
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: just there's so many millions of guys that I could

841
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: sit here and name that are just sweet, sweet people

842
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: and great people to be around. Dave Hollins, I mean,

843
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: oh my god, one of the one of my great

844
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: great friends in the game. Just super human beings that

845
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: you that you're in a lot of ways. I'm a

846
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: better person for knowing a lot of them.

847
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, it was a really good guy.

848
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: He just popped into my head. Is Markleter Junior, who

849
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 3: just came through with the Yankees. He was here briefly,

850
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 3: just a kid who was you know, from Jersey Shore,

851
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: you know, appreciated being a major leaguer, worked really hard,

852
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 3: just a good guy. I mean, it's just there's so

853
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 3: many of them.

854
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: You know. I I gotta mention Kevin Jordan because he

855
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: was an unlivable teammate. What a superhuman being he is.

856
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 2: We see him in San Francisco all the time, and

857
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: it's great to get a chance to see him my benchmate.

858
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: Just the awesome, great peaks.

859
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 3: So today, you guys, I'll tell the story really quick.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Franzen loves this story. In ninety eight, so you

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Speaker 3: guys signed directs how the ninety seven ninety eight two

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Speaker 3: year deal. He showed up hurt because he blew out

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Speaker 3: his hamstring trying to run twenty miles an hour on

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Speaker 3: a treadmill two days before spring training and it was

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Speaker 3: never right. Har And so you guys released him towards

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Speaker 3: the end of ninety eight at the VET and he's

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Speaker 3: standing in the front of his locker and uh, there's

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Speaker 3: gaggle of reporters around him. I'm kind of off to

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Speaker 3: the side a little bit, and he's saying, you know,

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Speaker 3: I just wish I played better, and you know, I

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Speaker 3: was hurt, but I appreciate the opportunity and all the

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Speaker 3: right saying all the right stuff. Then he catches my eye.

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Speaker 3: And he used to call me Steak for obvious reasons,

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Speaker 3: and he catches my eye. He goes, Steak, I got

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Speaker 3: fired today. He busts out crying big tears, and he's

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Speaker 3: hugging me and on my shoulder crying his eyes out,

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Speaker 3: and I'm looking around saying, what am I supposed to

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Speaker 3: do here?

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Speaker 1: That must have made you feel very comfortable.

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Speaker 3: Today?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: He was just disappointed and he wasn't able to live

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Speaker 2: up to the contract because he was a pretty good

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Speaker 2: I mean prior to that. I think he was with

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Speaker 2: the Angels just prior to that, and he had been

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Speaker 2: playing some pretty good baseball as like a utility guy,

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Speaker 2: second maseman, little outfield, little listle that could run a

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Speaker 2: little bit, to do some things. And he was a

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Speaker 2: positive influence in the clubhouse.

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Speaker 3: But were you on the team, he probably are on

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Speaker 3: the team. When he stole the little leave from the

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Speaker 3: Wrigley Field ivy, he went out and took a piece

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Speaker 3: of ivy.

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Speaker 2: Sure I played with him, Yeah, he went out and

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Speaker 2: took a.

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Speaker 3: Piece of ivy off the Wriggley field long and he

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Speaker 3: was going to like root it, you know that home

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Speaker 3: to throw it, and the grounds crew got all over

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Speaker 3: his case.

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Speaker 1: Is that right? That I would love. I would love

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Speaker 1: to know if he actually did plant it, and if

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Speaker 1: it's still goes, that's that is fantastic. Let's see if

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Speaker 1: we got one or two more. Our good buddy John

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Speaker 1: Finger wants to know how does Jim get his tomatoes

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Speaker 1: so big?

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Speaker 3: Oh man. You know a lot of people ask me that,

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Speaker 3: and the analogy I give them is when when it's easy,

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Speaker 3: grown tomatoes is easy. So when Charlie manuelill manage Roy Holliday,

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Speaker 3: he used to take the ball and say, you know,

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Speaker 3: go get him soon, and so I stick him in

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Speaker 3: the ground. I look up on this guy and I said,

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Speaker 3: go get him some little, water him a little bit, and.

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Speaker 2: That's perfect.

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Speaker 3: Before you know it, you know, you're talking tomato sandwiches

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Speaker 3: on sour dough. Oh my god, nothing.

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Speaker 2: I wish I could eat him. I can't do it anymore.

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Speaker 2: Digestion problems, Oh my gosh, you bumps me out. Man.

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Speaker 2: I love tomatoes too, and yours are great.

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Speaker 1: Jim, Jim's got yeah, Jim does a great job. With

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Speaker 1: his with his produce and let's let's see, let's wrap

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Speaker 1: this up. This is from a teamnt ten on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: He asked a few questions. Favorite ballpark other than Citizens

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Speaker 1: Bank Park and then he said, any Phillies merch show

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Speaker 1: show merch coming, any Phillies show meetups soon. Let's start.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the ballpark. Favorite ballpark other than Citizens

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Speaker 1: Bank Park? If you had to send somebody on a plane,

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Speaker 1: all expenses paid, front row seat behind the visitors, dugout

928
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Speaker 1: watching Phillies game, where are you sending them? And don't

929
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Speaker 1: give me one answer, don't don't start real. Rattle off

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Speaker 1: seven eight Your favorite ballpark I'm.

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Speaker 3: Sending I'm sending him to San Francisco when the Giants

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Speaker 3: are good and it's a big game.

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Speaker 2: That's a good one. I'll say PNC Park because it's

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Speaker 2: it's at night, twilight, when the bridges and the lights

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Speaker 2: are going on in the city, purple lights, skyline. I'll

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Speaker 2: say panc.

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Speaker 1: That's a great one. That's a great one. I was

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Speaker 1: going to say eighteen t as well. I love I

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Speaker 1: love that ballpark in San Francisco, the location, the just

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Speaker 1: the view from behind behind home plate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Uh The atmosphere there is just fantastic, like you said, Jim,

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Speaker 1: when they're good, when the Giants are good, it's a

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Speaker 1: great atmosphere. And and it's a great ballpark food ballpark,

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Speaker 1: good lot of great, a lot of great, a lot

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Speaker 1: of great food at that ballpark. You get the garlic fries,

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Speaker 1: which you'll be feeling and tasting and smelling for the

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Speaker 1: next six days, no matter.

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Speaker 2: How pouring out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right. But that is a great ballpark to go.

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Speaker 1: I love walking up there in the afternoon before the game.

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Speaker 1: It's just a great view the outside of the ballpark.

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Speaker 1: And then leaving is great because they have all the

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Speaker 1: palm trees out front like wrapped in these led lights,

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Speaker 1: these orange led lights. So you walk out, the ballpark

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Speaker 1: is really lit up beautifully. You have the Willie May

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Speaker 1: statue out front. It's just a great, totally great vibe.

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Speaker 2: Let me just say this one thing as a coach,

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Speaker 2: I remember John Farrell telling me this, said, Reuben, when

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Speaker 2: you go out on the Lions and you have a

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Speaker 2: good team, and they had a good we had a

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Speaker 2: very good team in sixteen and seventeen, there'll be nothing

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Speaker 2: like being a first base or third base coach at

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Speaker 2: Brickley at Fenway. It was spectacle. I walked out and

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Speaker 2: the club and the dugout and the first base coaching

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Speaker 2: box is like six feet I walked out there, man,

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Speaker 2: and felt like, Wow, this is heavenly. That's gotta be

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Speaker 2: It was so badass, it was fantastic.

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Speaker 1: That's gotta be cool.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna be really cool.

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Speaker 1: So and then answers other questions. Any Phillies show merch

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Speaker 1: in the works, any Philly show media. We would love

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Speaker 1: to do a meet up. We have to figure that out.

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Speaker 1: We have to fear about to do that. Yeah, figure

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Speaker 1: out something. We have to figure out a day to

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Speaker 1: do it when we're all off, when there's no Phillies game.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then we can do like.

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Speaker 3: An Eagles watch party.

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Speaker 2: Funny.

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Speaker 1: Chit chat, little chit chat Phillies in between.

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Speaker 2: Uh, we do have some fun interesting We have some

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Speaker 2: interesting guests coming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we do have some stay tuned to that. And

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Speaker 1: then right, yeah, we've got some merch on the way,

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Speaker 1: I think, so hopefully we'll be introducing that at some point.

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Speaker 1: We're excited about that. It's been a long time coming.

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Speaker 1: But we've got to tease that's a little bit a tease.

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Speaker 1: That's a little bit of a teas. It'll be a

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Speaker 1: little bit different than that. But yeah, it'll be good.

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Speaker 1: It'll be good.

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Speaker 3: So we went. We went really long today. I feel

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Speaker 3: like we pitched deep into the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we did. We might have gone to eight innings,

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Speaker 2: Aaron in.

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Speaker 7: So let's wrap this up exactly. We'll be back later

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Speaker 7: this week. But then, yeah, we answered answer a lot

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Speaker 7: of listener questions. We get we didn't even I didn't

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Speaker 7: even get to half the questions I wrote down on

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Speaker 7: my on my list here.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll do it. Maybe we'll do it on Friday. Whenever, Friday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll come back on Friday.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, hey guys, I'll uh, I was gonna

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Speaker 1: sell smellia. Am I allowed to say?

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Speaker 6: Smell you later?

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Speaker 3: For sure? You guys?

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll smell you guys later.

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Speaker 3: We'll smell you too. Have a great one.

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Speaker 2: Smell it.

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