Speaker 1: Welcome to Movie Crush, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey, everybody,
Speaker 1: welcome to Movie Crush. Winding out our Halloween are spo
Speaker 1: October here with one last round table if everyone wants
Speaker 1: to picture in their mind's eye, A zoom screen, A
Speaker 1: four four banger is what we call these. To my
Speaker 1: top left, as I look at the screen, we have
Speaker 1: the winsome, lovely and charming Annie Reese, medium brown ish
Speaker 1: blonde hair, friendly smile, Thank you. I feel like we're
Speaker 1: describing characters and horror movies like who are going to
Speaker 1: be killed off one by one? But thank you. You're
Speaker 1: the final girl, so you're in good shape. Uh. To
Speaker 1: the top right is me Um, I might as well
Speaker 1: describe myself. I'm wearing an Axl Rose bandana or a
Speaker 1: Rambo bandana or Joe said a little Steven from Sopranos
Speaker 1: bandana because I did a spinning class before this and
Speaker 1: was dripping sweat, so that's why I looked like a
Speaker 1: crazy person. Bottom left, I have former Movie Crush producer
Speaker 1: engineer Ramsey Junt. But Ramsey left me like a bad cold.
Speaker 1: Ramsey's got a nice full beard. Uh, he's got kind
Speaker 1: of puffy morning hair and he's a great T shirt
Speaker 1: that says Atlanta wouldn't be ship without black people, very
Speaker 1: much true. And then on the bottom right we have
Speaker 1: Mr Joseph McCormick. Joe always has bed hair, uh, which
Speaker 1: in the best possible way, and uh, sort of scraggly
Speaker 1: little beard and mustache. And what is your shirt, say Joe? Uh,
Speaker 1: it's much less profound. My shirt says tom Atkins rules.
Speaker 1: And who's tom Atkins? Tom Atkins is the hunk from
Speaker 1: Halloween three, Season of the Witch. He's the strawberry Burt Reynolds.
Speaker 1: That's right. So we're gonna be talking about Halloween three,
Speaker 1: Season of the Witch and Nightmare on Elm Street, three
Speaker 1: Dream Warriors. Uh. But I'm glad you're all here today
Speaker 1: because you know what today is, guys. Three more days
Speaker 1: to Hallo, Hallo Halloween. Three more days to Halloween. Everybody,
Speaker 1: did you sit bolt upright in bed in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night with that in your head? So? I
Speaker 1: had never seen that movie, you guys. We'll start with
Speaker 1: Halloween three, the um sort of the non sequel to
Speaker 1: the Halloween movies. And the story, well, someone else told
Speaker 1: the story. I talk all the time. Who wants to
Speaker 1: tell the story of why this is what it is. Oh, Joe,
Speaker 1: I think you should go. Yeah, Joe's sort of the
Speaker 1: one spread this virus in the office. I've never seen
Speaker 1: it until you were, like you pulled out. It's like
Speaker 1: fancy DVD copy. Maybe too soon for spreading virus jokes too,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sorry. Well, the Halloween three season of the
Speaker 1: which is the third entry, of course in the Halloween franchise,
Speaker 1: but it does not have Michael Myers in it, the
Speaker 1: killer from the first two movies. It was fast. That's
Speaker 1: true that they're put up at a different times where
Speaker 1: characters in the movie watch the first Halloween on a TV,
Speaker 1: which is just wonderful. But it's the third movie, and
Speaker 1: they decided, you know what, what if we just completely
Speaker 1: started a brand new plot that had nothing to do
Speaker 1: with the other movies. The idea was that they were
Speaker 1: going to try to create an anthology series that would
Speaker 1: come out every year and in October and there'd be
Speaker 1: a new Halloween themed movie. And you know, so, the
Speaker 1: director of Halloween three, Tommy Lee Wallace, was from the
Speaker 1: John Carpenter scene. He was I think the editor of
Speaker 1: the first Halloween movie. Uh, and there are a lot
Speaker 1: of Halloween people involved in Halloween three. One of the
Speaker 1: reasons it has. One of the reasons I think it
Speaker 1: really feels on brand for Halloween, even though it's a
Speaker 1: totally different story, is that it has the Halloween three
Speaker 1: or it has the Halloween sound and the Halloween look,
Speaker 1: and the Halloween sound comes from a score by John Carpenter,
Speaker 1: and I think Alan Howarth and the Halloween look is
Speaker 1: definitely due to cinematography by Dean Kundy, And we should
Speaker 1: definitely come back to that because I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the really great things about this ridiculous movie. Uh
Speaker 1: do we need to describe the plot? The plot is
Speaker 1: basically that an evil druid Warlock becomes a business tycoon
Speaker 1: who sells Halloween masks with the goal of distributing them
Speaker 1: across the country so that children put them on on
Speaker 1: Halloween Night while they watch a TV commercial that plays
Speaker 1: a jingle to the tune of London Bridge and when
Speaker 1: that happens, their head just turned into crickets and they
Speaker 1: die and this will appease the ancient Celtic gods, right,
Speaker 1: which is what you all feel like when you watch
Speaker 1: this movie, and he that, Yeah, it really has the
Speaker 1: desired effect. I think I think so because I uh
Speaker 1: spoil I'm not spoiler, but I've never seen either of
Speaker 1: these movies when I was like, let's do these, um,
Speaker 1: but I knew about them and that song like by
Speaker 1: the end, like not only was it annoying, but I
Speaker 1: was genuinely like tensing up, like please don't write that again,
Speaker 1: Please don't do it. So I think it. I think
Speaker 1: it had. I think they accomplished what they were going
Speaker 1: for with that song totally. Ramsey, what do you think
Speaker 1: about that song? Um? I mean it definitely makes you
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable, especially if you have kids that like to
Speaker 1: listen to Nursey rhymes repeat repeatedly all the time. And
Speaker 1: like Joe said, they was it was they were um
Speaker 1: strict on the budget, so they clebably couldn't afford to
Speaker 1: actually have someone right a jingle, so they looked into
Speaker 1: free licensing and hey, there's a you know, London bridges
Speaker 1: falling down and then you know that Tom Makins actually
Speaker 1: did the voice and they sped it up really yeah,
Speaker 1: and like that's how they got that song. They thought
Speaker 1: it was so hilarious and it hit the point like
Speaker 1: of just driving that monitory like that. You know that
Speaker 1: just the seizure inducing yes I was looking for, and
Speaker 1: it is paired with strobing visuals that that this is
Speaker 1: not a good movie for somebody with photosensitive epilepsy now absolutely. Um.
Speaker 1: But before we dive into the movie, just jumping back
Speaker 1: a second, Joe, I just want to say that I
Speaker 1: think it's a great idea to do. I mean, they
Speaker 1: were onto something with doing an anthologized Halloween thing. Just
Speaker 1: you could pump him out every single October with a
Speaker 1: new story. Um, a really good idea from John Carpenter
Speaker 1: and his producing and writing partner Debor Hill. Uh. I
Speaker 1: think some people feel like if this movie had not
Speaker 1: been called Halloween, it might have gotten a better shake.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not too sure. What do you think? I
Speaker 1: would say Almost all of the negative reviews you read
Speaker 1: from the time mentioned the fact that Michael Myers is
Speaker 1: not in it, So I think that clearly shows it
Speaker 1: was you know, the reception of the film was colored
Speaker 1: by its lack of congruity with the movies that came before.
Speaker 1: People weren't quite getting why the third movie in the
Speaker 1: series was the beginning of a new anthology series. On
Speaker 1: the other hand, I would say that I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if anybody would have paid
Speaker 1: attention to this movie if it was not uh, if
Speaker 1: it was not a part of the Halloween series. But
Speaker 1: then agame out of an a title, anyone got a
Speaker 1: good alternative title, let's come up with one. Well, they
Speaker 1: wanted to call it just Season of the Witch. I
Speaker 1: mean that that was the thing. Like they pushed, like,
Speaker 1: you know, after the first one, Carpenter won't want to
Speaker 1: make this in an anthology, but the studio was like, no,
Speaker 1: we greenlit the second Halloween, and they fought, and then
Speaker 1: they made a second sequel to Halloween with Michael Myers,
Speaker 1: and then the third one. They were like, no, we're
Speaker 1: not going to do it unless we do what we
Speaker 1: want to do, which is the anthology. And they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: it still has to be called Halloween though, and they
Speaker 1: wanted to remove that to separate it because they knew
Speaker 1: people are going to want to see Michael Myers. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that was the thing, is like, that's why
Speaker 1: they went to see the first one and then the
Speaker 1: second one, and then they kind of felt let down
Speaker 1: going into the third one. I think it would have
Speaker 1: been okay, just to call it season of which brought
Speaker 1: to you by the people that brought you Halloween. I
Speaker 1: mean it would have still been it's a long title, Ramsey,
Speaker 1: you know in the in the commercials and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I no, I agree, Season of the Witch.
Speaker 1: That's a good that's a good title. I'd say for
Speaker 1: all title. Maybe cyber Druids in the Mask of Doom
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Do you get one, Annie? Uh No?
Speaker 1: But I have thoughts, um so. I One of the
Speaker 1: things I find really interesting about both the movies we're
Speaker 1: talking about a day is I feel like they defined
Speaker 1: they went on to define the franchise, either for like
Speaker 1: failing or succeeding. Um. In this, like I didn't realize
Speaker 1: Michael Myers, these villains become so iconic, and like the
Speaker 1: first Halloween was an independent film that made seventy million dollars,
Speaker 1: and people, you know, we almost are so willing to
Speaker 1: suspend her belief, like, of course he's gonna survive. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get blown up, but he's gonna live anyway. Um.
Speaker 1: And so like when I was watching this, even I
Speaker 1: knowing he's not gonna show up, was waiting for him
Speaker 1: to show up, just on how it's kind of shot,
Speaker 1: like there's this sort of slasher vibe, but a slasher
Speaker 1: never really arrives. Um. But it's just interesting to me
Speaker 1: that after this and they're like, oh god, Michael Myers
Speaker 1: has to be and everyone now, and people were like
Speaker 1: maybe he's an and right. I like that theory that like,
Speaker 1: maybe that explains it. That that's the reason the third
Speaker 1: one exists, is they introduced androids and druids and perhaps
Speaker 1: that's why Michael Myers is what Michael Myers is. Well,
Speaker 1: have we ever seen him bleed? Is it yellow goop?
Speaker 1: Is it yellow slime? Hmm, that's a good question. I
Speaker 1: think we've seen him bleed and it looks like regular blood.
Speaker 1: You know how they did that? Yeah, it was frozen
Speaker 1: orange juice. So like when Dick Warlock, Yeah, Dick so
Speaker 1: the Great stunt coordinator. Dick Warlock is one of the
Speaker 1: main druid androids. His real name is Dick Warlock. Uh.
Speaker 1: He played Michael Myers. Yeah, in Halloween to he was Mike,
Speaker 1: he was the Shape and so in this movie he's
Speaker 1: one of the main androids. He's the one who looks
Speaker 1: kind of like a blonde Paul McCartney, and he's often
Speaker 1: shown kind of like from the shoulders down, pulling somebody's
Speaker 1: head off or squeezing somebody's eyes out. Ye yeah, yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: And there's a scene where Tom Atkins kills this android
Speaker 1: by like plunging is fist into the androids guts and
Speaker 1: pulling it wires out and all of that goop in
Speaker 1: in the commentary track, Tommy Lee Wallace as they did
Speaker 1: that with frozen orange juice, so it was all over
Speaker 1: Dick Warlock's face in multiple scenes. Well that's good for
Speaker 1: a change. Usually it's just some nasty, like, you know,
Speaker 1: concoction that you don't want anywhere near your face. I
Speaker 1: take a little frozen O j bath chuck. Do you
Speaker 1: know what does movie goop usually taste like? Oh? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I think usually it's just some
Speaker 1: sort of weird mixture that looks good on camera. But
Speaker 1: is you know, like part oatmeal, part doubt, tumacious Earth
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know. Uh. One thing I did
Speaker 1: want to mention is this this movie, regardless of what
Speaker 1: you think about it, And by the way, I really
Speaker 1: did enjoy it. Um it had one of the great
Speaker 1: movie posters. Um I think it was even nominated but
Speaker 1: lost whatever the movie poster Body is that gives that
Speaker 1: award out, but it was nominated for Best Poster and
Speaker 1: and really holds up. It's one of the great posters
Speaker 1: from that Um. Maybe one of the the most beautiful,
Speaker 1: if not the most beautiful shots in the movie, which
Speaker 1: is Phoenix at dusk with those silhouetted children. Really really
Speaker 1: gorgeous shot, maybe the only gorgeous shot in the movie.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like to sematography, but it it wasn't
Speaker 1: like beautiful or anything like that, you know. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that is a gorgeous shot, and it is. It
Speaker 1: is a gorgeous poster poster it it really it gets
Speaker 1: to the idea that they were trying to create something
Speaker 1: that was tied explicitly to the season of Halloween. Not
Speaker 1: just that happened to happen on on Halloween like the
Speaker 1: first movie did, but that it's all about you know,
Speaker 1: October and the autumn and or treating and everything well done.
Speaker 1: And they sold those masks for a while, um back
Speaker 1: in the day. Those those are pretty cool, Like the
Speaker 1: Witchy one or the Ghoul or whatever goblin that is.
Speaker 1: That's a really good mask. Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I
Speaker 1: love the idea that they took Halloween this holiday that
Speaker 1: we're all like, give me something scary, and they're like,
Speaker 1: let's make Halloween scary, like putting on your mask. Let's
Speaker 1: let's put in some capitalism is bad here and like
Speaker 1: sexual harassment, you know, black and nurses on the alcoholism
Speaker 1: apparent in the background had to do something. He had
Speaker 1: to have alcohol involved. Yes, in every scene. He's drinking
Speaker 1: in every scene, and it's great. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of scenes that start where you don't realize he's got
Speaker 1: alcohol because he's holding it off camera, and then at
Speaker 1: some point he like lifts it into the frame. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love weird. It was weird that they didn't pay
Speaker 1: that off or anything. It's just he's an alcoholic doctor
Speaker 1: and there was never any Usually when you introduced that,
Speaker 1: there's some arc the character goes through in regards to
Speaker 1: the alcoholism. But I guess maybe he was just like, hey,
Speaker 1: what if I was a drunk? Yeah, but never acted drunk.
Speaker 1: Are the female character just he shows up and he's
Speaker 1: at the bar and she's like, they told me I here.
Speaker 1: It's like the saddest bar you can imagine. It looks great.
Speaker 1: I want to go to that bar. Did you often
Speaker 1: get the sense that he was just having a few
Speaker 1: beers on set, and it's like he carried his beer from,
Speaker 1: you know, from off camera into He's like, you know, Tommy,
Speaker 1: I think I think my character would be having a
Speaker 1: beer in this scene. Okay, go with it. Anybody got
Speaker 1: a brown bag with a bottle of bog and perhaps
Speaker 1: that you'll share with the stranger who was then immediately
Speaker 1: announces his plan in front of the security cameras and
Speaker 1: he killed. Yeah, that was pretty great. There there were
Speaker 1: a lot of great scenes. I want to share a
Speaker 1: piece of trivia about those masks in the movie that
Speaker 1: I came across, which is that, uh, the masks were
Speaker 1: made by a famous Halloween maskmaker, Don Post Studios, who
Speaker 1: apparently made the William Shatner mask that was spray painted
Speaker 1: white and used for Michael Myers in the first movie. Interesting,
Speaker 1: the great Don Post. Yeah, I think that was part
Speaker 1: of it. Is like he retained the license for these
Speaker 1: masks and was able to sell them as a promotional
Speaker 1: type of thing, and that's kind of how they got
Speaker 1: him to do it um for this movie as well.
Speaker 1: You know, I have a few questions throughout that Joe
Speaker 1: could probably answer that I was just a little confused
Speaker 1: about and instead of rewinding over and over, I just
Speaker 1: figured I'd hold hold onto it. Um After near the beginning,
Speaker 1: after the slowest car smash into human in movie history,
Speaker 1: it's like it's coming. Don't get up and move, don't move,
Speaker 1: Stay there, stay there, stay there. It's like that scene
Speaker 1: in Austin Powers with the exactly what it's like. Um,
Speaker 1: the agent, you know, I say agent. They look like
Speaker 1: agents from the matrix the um. They come in and uh,
Speaker 1: I can't tell what they do to that guy. It
Speaker 1: looks like they do they put his did they gouge
Speaker 1: his eyes out? It looks like they pull his nose up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a mask. Like what's going on there? It looks
Speaker 1: like a brutal, blunt frontal lobotomy, like he reaches in
Speaker 1: through his eye sockets and then breaks off the front
Speaker 1: of his skull. Okay, all right, good, very extreme. I
Speaker 1: got your nose. Who's got your nose? I literally have
Speaker 1: your nose? Uh. And then that guy self emilates, which
Speaker 1: is which is a pretty cool scene. Um. But as
Speaker 1: far as the uh, the how, I didn't know that
Speaker 1: the Halloween universe existed within this movie, and it was
Speaker 1: a real delight. When you see the TV commercial come
Speaker 1: on referencing Michael Myers and the Halloween movie, that was
Speaker 1: kind of a nice little nod. I thought. I think
Speaker 1: they were trying really, really, really really hard to be like,
Speaker 1: this is not that it exists in the same universe,
Speaker 1: but it's not that thing, because see it's a movie here,
Speaker 1: Like that's what I I loved it they did that,
Speaker 1: but that's what I thought why I thought they did it.
Speaker 1: You're right, talk a little bit about that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think they were tied so much the Halloween I
Speaker 1: think for me, I mean, I enjoyed the movie. It
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, it's fun to watch, but like,
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing for me is they were
Speaker 1: tied so much to that, and they were trying to
Speaker 1: separate themselves from Michael Myers. And there's a lot of
Speaker 1: production issues. As far as the original screenwriter, he was
Speaker 1: a sci fi screenwriter, and he kind of made this
Speaker 1: Evasion of a Body Snatchers type movie centered and like
Speaker 1: the caveat was, he had to center it around Halloween
Speaker 1: or that universe that they wanted to to to continue
Speaker 1: and then eventually left and wanted his name removed from
Speaker 1: the film because of his frustrations. So I think like
Speaker 1: a lot of that kind of hurt the film and
Speaker 1: in regards it. And if they just you know, like
Speaker 1: Season of the witch they mentioned witchcraft like maybe once
Speaker 1: or twice towards the end, and you're like, where's the witches? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, that's kind of like if they had called
Speaker 1: it Season of the Druids, probably wouldn't have the same
Speaker 1: type of ring to it. So, I mean it would
Speaker 1: it was, it was there's a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: I could feel like there's like a lot of things
Speaker 1: that were rushed and felt like they didn't take the
Speaker 1: time that they needed to and they were kind of
Speaker 1: constrained around that barrier of Halloween. I mean, it would
Speaker 1: have been a great film, I think, even better if
Speaker 1: they had removed that aspect of it. But I understood
Speaker 1: what they were trying to do. Um with that. Joe
Speaker 1: was there behind the scenes frustration as the resident expert
Speaker 1: on Halloween dell Um. I mean, there was some I
Speaker 1: think there was some some of what Ramsey's talking about,
Speaker 1: like the disconnect between the expectation of of you know
Speaker 1: of how it would fit into the franchise versus what
Speaker 1: the creators wanted to do, but at least listening to
Speaker 1: like I've listened to Tommy Lee Wallace, the director's commentary
Speaker 1: track on the movie, and it makes it sound like
Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun to make. I mean
Speaker 1: it sounds like it was a very loose, freewheeling production
Speaker 1: process where everybody was just kind of like throwing ideas
Speaker 1: out there and having a good time. Well, that's great,
Speaker 1: and to guess Tom Atkins was drunk the whole time.
Speaker 1: My favorite when he's on the phone and six sitting
Speaker 1: on that behind his head, he moves and then you
Speaker 1: see it. I didn't notice that part was that early
Speaker 1: on he's on a pay phone with his with his
Speaker 1: ex wife and he's like explaining why he can't pick
Speaker 1: the kids up, and then he finally moves and and
Speaker 1: reveals there's a six pack of Miller. I think that
Speaker 1: was behind his head. At hotel was like, I gotta
Speaker 1: do doctor ship. You know, a bunch of doctors talking. Well,
Speaker 1: she did make that one reference. She was said something
Speaker 1: about a drunk doctor. Yeah, I mean it seems to
Speaker 1: be that he was. I like, I didn't even realize
Speaker 1: that was a thing, but I picked up on it
Speaker 1: pretty quick. So um, I also love the fully Irish
Speaker 1: community in northern California. You know, I get they came
Speaker 1: in through Ellis Island and then said let's travel you know,
Speaker 1: miles west and settle on the on the seaside north
Speaker 1: of San Francisco. That was extremely strange. Think like any
Speaker 1: and I actually watched this movie together a couple of
Speaker 1: nights ago, um, because I just wanted to experience it
Speaker 1: with her for the first time. And I think we said,
Speaker 1: like the first the movie we really wanted to see
Speaker 1: is how they got a piece of Stonehenge? Yea, why
Speaker 1: did they get it? How did they get it there?
Speaker 1: I want the heist movie where they stole that. It's
Speaker 1: gigantic rogue one version. It's the size of a shipping container.
Speaker 1: And you see there's a little uh can hint about
Speaker 1: it at the beginning where a gas station attendant is
Speaker 1: watching TV and there's a news story about how one
Speaker 1: of the stones from Stonehenge has been stolen in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night and nobody knows where it went.
Speaker 1: And then you see it later and of course Dan
Speaker 1: o'herla he is turning it into microchips, like cyber Druid
Speaker 1: magic microchips to melt people's heads that don't seem very
Speaker 1: well attached to these masks, like they kind of fall off.
Speaker 1: It looks like very easily removed. The final process, the
Speaker 1: final processing. You can't go in there. It's a great
Speaker 1: band name by the way. Processing. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: I kept trying to I kept questioning the actual plan
Speaker 1: here because they sold all these masks and I've seen
Speaker 1: they want everybody dad, mostly children. But then he's got
Speaker 1: his best salesman and he kills his like whole family,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's that's that's bullshit, man, I'll show
Speaker 1: you he's been out hawking your goods. That guy was great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was so like pitch perfect. Yeah. I think that's
Speaker 1: horror plot pressures. I mean there's always this need when
Speaker 1: you're making especially kind of a lower level horror movie,
Speaker 1: to you know, you get into the second act, You're like,
Speaker 1: I really need to be killing some people. So you've
Speaker 1: got to come up with some excuses to have characters die.
Speaker 1: Like one of the examples is do you remember the
Speaker 1: plot with the lab technician the lady who's looking into
Speaker 1: the car parts or the parts of the android to her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he keeps that. Tom Atkins keeps calling her on the phone.
Speaker 1: And then eventually she gets murdered out of nowhere with
Speaker 1: a drill, and it's like, why did that happen? Well,
Speaker 1: they just did that in the reshoot. They added that
Speaker 1: scene on where she gets murdered because they were like,
Speaker 1: not enough murders in the movie. We gotta we gotta
Speaker 1: fill this out a bit. Yeah, and like, what's how
Speaker 1: about a driller killer? Yeah? Why not androids use a
Speaker 1: drill to kill her? Uh. The other thing we can't
Speaker 1: look past two is the great Stacy Nelkin as Ellie
Speaker 1: and um the you know, the wonderful scene in the
Speaker 1: hotel room where they just started making out out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: There's no hint sexuality or tension or anything, and it's
Speaker 1: just on all of a sudden between like her and
Speaker 1: a guy who is old enough to be her father. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she does like, yeah, I was outraged at this, and
Speaker 1: yeah she's just like, oh, how old do you think
Speaker 1: I am? I old enough? And well, after they've had sex,
Speaker 1: he decides to check out. It's actually worse than out
Speaker 1: of nowhere, because I guess we actually didn't explain what
Speaker 1: was going on in the plot with the protagonists, which
Speaker 1: is Tom Atkins and Stacy Nelkin. Uh. He's a doctor.
Speaker 1: He becomes aware of this because somebody arrives at his
Speaker 1: hospital and gets killed by druid Android. And then she
Speaker 1: arrives to talk to him because she says, oh, because
Speaker 1: the guy was her father. So she is trying to
Speaker 1: investigate what happened to her father, like why did her
Speaker 1: father get killed by druid Android. So they end up
Speaker 1: going to this town to like solve the mystery, and
Speaker 1: that's where they get it on and it's it makes
Speaker 1: no sense at all. Yeah, he's like a drunk doctor
Speaker 1: and he's like, but I also dabbling private investigation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and her father, by the way, I owned a small
Speaker 1: toy store. I'm very intrigued by this like anti capitalist
Speaker 1: message and here, uh, I mean it's really in his
Speaker 1: po You've got the anti capitalists, You've got people like
Speaker 1: trying to put on masks and a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1: It's pretty timely to to where we are now. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: well except in this world the mask Elon Musk. Elon
Speaker 1: Musk is a novelty gag make and maskmaker. Like he's
Speaker 1: one of the richest men in the country with his
Speaker 1: his uh fake vomit and whoopee cushion fortune. It's like, really,
Speaker 1: that guy is the richest, Like that's who's making all
Speaker 1: the money in two or whatever. Well, I do think
Speaker 1: it's interesting that he's a tech tycoon and it is
Speaker 1: set in northern California. Santa Mira. The little town that
Speaker 1: it's in is supposed to be I don't know, somewhere
Speaker 1: outside of San Francisco. It actually San Francisco. It's in
Speaker 1: reality they shot it in a town called Lolita or
Speaker 1: Lolita it's spelled like Lolita but with an E, and
Speaker 1: it's uh somewhere in Humboldt County. I think the closest
Speaker 1: city of any size is Eureka, and I think that's
Speaker 1: where they filmed Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Really love
Speaker 1: that movie so much. Yeah, that's up in like Birds
Speaker 1: Alfred Hitchcock's Birds Zone to sort of that north of
Speaker 1: San Francisco, or maybe that was south, but all up there. Um.
Speaker 1: Another one of my favorite funny, great scenes is that
Speaker 1: I just classify as no one's ever done this before
Speaker 1: at all is when she gets out of the shower
Speaker 1: with this I guess too small of a towel and
Speaker 1: and with a fully wet body, just pulls the nasty
Speaker 1: top comforter off the motel bed that no one ever
Speaker 1: uses and just wraps herself in it. I guess she's
Speaker 1: freezing cold. It was weird. I saw that, and I
Speaker 1: was like, no one has ever done that? And who
Speaker 1: who has ever done that? Gotten out of the shower
Speaker 1: and been like, oh, let me wrap up in this
Speaker 1: top top comforter. Yeah. I mean the characters make a
Speaker 1: lot of choices where I was like, huh, Like when
Speaker 1: name first arrived at the hotel and the Irish owners
Speaker 1: like that to be a show your room, and he
Speaker 1: runs off like Tom Atkins runs off without like questioning
Speaker 1: anything immediately, just like investigating behind his desk. Like it's
Speaker 1: just they're an interesting team. Well. The other weird thing too,
Speaker 1: was like there they just decide to spend the night.
Speaker 1: Remember they didn't even have Luggae journeything. Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: has a nighty and lingerie. Where did that come from? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And she's like it would be weird if we didn't
Speaker 1: stay the night. I'm like I guess so many questions,
Speaker 1: you guys. Yeah, I mean this whole town in general,
Speaker 1: Like you come in and there's surveillance cameras and there's
Speaker 1: a curfew at six pm. And I do love that.
Speaker 1: Connal Cochrane apparently has cracked androids and is using it
Speaker 1: for this purpose, like to kill the children. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's figured out, like how does steal stone ende druid
Speaker 1: killing spell and microchips and androids and it's just keeping
Speaker 1: that to himself. And how to conjure snakes and bugs
Speaker 1: from from thin air? Where did they come from? No
Speaker 1: one knows. Joe, do you have an answer for that? No,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just Stonehenge, magic man, It's all Stonehenge.
Speaker 1: It was creepy though we didn't say this actually, but
Speaker 1: so or maybe we did anyway. Conal Cochrane, the evil
Speaker 1: warlock entrepreneur whatever, the guy who makes the masks and
Speaker 1: the androids, is played right, Yes he is. He is
Speaker 1: son of Cochrane Um. He is played by Dan O'Hurley.
Speaker 1: He who is the old Man from RoboCop, a guy
Speaker 1: in robo Cop who is like Ronnie Cox's boss who
Speaker 1: when when ed two oh nine shoots that guy until
Speaker 1: he is liquid. He says, very disappointed at you, dick. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's fantastic. Another one of my favorite lines is when
Speaker 1: they take the tour um with the family of the
Speaker 1: top salesman or whatever, and then they see the dad's
Speaker 1: car sort of covered up and they get back to
Speaker 1: the hotel. And I had to rewind this a couple
Speaker 1: of times to see if he said what I thought
Speaker 1: he said, But he said, I think it's time for
Speaker 1: the Marines. I think it's time to send in the Marines.
Speaker 1: And then he walks it back to police. I was like,
Speaker 1: did he say police? And I was like, no, he
Speaker 1: said Marines. It's an untentioned fact. He's also a marine colonel.
Speaker 1: Oh is it really no? Man? God, you just made
Speaker 1: my day for like half a second. You know, there
Speaker 1: could be that that that actor could have had a
Speaker 1: whole plot in his mind. We don't know. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: true his backstory. Who were we to say? But with
Speaker 1: the snakes though, I mean, this movie isn't super scary,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun to watch, but that, uh,
Speaker 1: the scene in the fake living room when they kill
Speaker 1: off the family was pretty chilling. And those snakes and
Speaker 1: bugs and combined with the the audio of that goddamn
Speaker 1: song and the lights. Like that was kind of the
Speaker 1: one part of the movie where I was like, like
Speaker 1: make this stop. Yeah. Um, Like I said, I feel
Speaker 1: like this is very eighties conspiracy thriller vibe more than
Speaker 1: horror slasher. But that was the one part where I
Speaker 1: was like that song it legitimately unsettled me. By the end,
Speaker 1: I was like, there were TV screens everywhere. You can't
Speaker 1: escape this. This song is gonna kill me, I was.
Speaker 1: I told Ramsey, I'm like, I'm afraid, I'm gonna wake
Speaker 1: up in the middle of night and I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: have that song and that's the end. Um. I also
Speaker 1: had the scene where the others toy store owner where
Speaker 1: her face like it's blown out by all. That was pretty.
Speaker 1: That was cruesome. I don't know if it was scary,
Speaker 1: but that was a good kill In these Yeah, excellent. Well,
Speaker 1: Tommy Lee Wall says, you know, when he's trying to
Speaker 1: explain what he was going for in the movie, he
Speaker 1: keeps saying, you know, I think the thing that's really
Speaker 1: the scariest of all is Big Brother and corporate bad guys.
Speaker 1: And he keeps talking about how these are the themes
Speaker 1: he was trying to bring out in the movie. It's
Speaker 1: the scarier than any monster is the corporation that's watching
Speaker 1: you with cameras and everything, and that is throughout the
Speaker 1: movie is constantly cameras zooming in on people. And uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much that would come through as
Speaker 1: the real theme of it. I did, Did you guys
Speaker 1: pick up on that? Yeah? I did, and he was
Speaker 1: all over it. Yeah, absolutely I was. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I did a terrible thing and researched it before I
Speaker 1: watched it, So I don't know if I would have
Speaker 1: if I hadn't known that was kind of a vibe
Speaker 1: of like capitalism, cameras everywhere watching you. I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: but I did going in with that mindset. I absolutely did.
Speaker 1: This movie was a lot of things, you know. It
Speaker 1: was that it had the sort of uh Wickerman CULTI
Speaker 1: vibe because of the town. It was also androids um
Speaker 1: and had like the sci fi bent it was. It
Speaker 1: was a mix a lot of things mixed in a
Speaker 1: big Halloween trick or treating bag. Yes, I mean, you
Speaker 1: look at like John Carpenter's work in general. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, with Escape from New York before this and
Speaker 1: all the other movies he did he has has done.
Speaker 1: I mean it has that that fear of corporations and
Speaker 1: taking over and totalitary police and that type of stuff.
Speaker 1: So I could easily see that when when you're watching
Speaker 1: this one, you can feel that in there as well.
Speaker 1: Did they did he in Debor Hill? Uh? They didn't
Speaker 1: write it, did they? Or did they? Oh? No, no,
Speaker 1: you said the other guy wrote it. Carpenter, he took
Speaker 1: some he did as well. He and um did pass.
Speaker 1: He did a pass on the script. Yep. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: then they brought in a third writer to kind of
Speaker 1: horrify it up a bit. And I think that's where
Speaker 1: the sci fi writer was like that, it's it's out
Speaker 1: of my wheelhouse now, guys, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: be a part of this anymore. It has the feel
Speaker 1: of something that eight people wrote. It does it does?
Speaker 1: Another one of my favorite parts, funny parts was on
Speaker 1: the elevator when the robot you know, basically goes chew,
Speaker 1: looks back and goes convincing a and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: not at all convincing. That was the most canned fake
Speaker 1: sneeze Robotic android sneeze I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 1: Actually I remember. I mean, there's some movies that people
Speaker 1: can warn you about and tell you what it's like
Speaker 1: and you just can't know until you watch it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta see it. And this was one and I
Speaker 1: that scene, I was like, what is happening here? We'll
Speaker 1: chuck since you brought up convincing. My favorite sequence was
Speaker 1: when Tom Atkins throws the mask onto the Cayes from
Speaker 1: his waist because his intertied. Yes, I mean, that's impressive,
Speaker 1: I say, I say. My theory is he's been to
Speaker 1: a lot of like tailgating events. He clearly drinks a lot,
Speaker 1: and he knows how to play some cord all. He
Speaker 1: knows how to play these types of games he's been.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the payoff. We just never really appreciated it.
Speaker 1: To the County fair Man, he's gonna be walking out
Speaker 1: with like the giant bear. Yes, it's amazing. That took
Speaker 1: him like fifty takes to to accomplish. That was one
Speaker 1: of my favorite shots in the movie. It was It
Speaker 1: was just fantastic. It looks like the way it looks
Speaker 1: like they shot it with the mask on and falling
Speaker 1: off and just ran it in reverse or something, because
Speaker 1: it just kind of went the director threw it on.
Speaker 1: It's like how hard can this be? And he got
Speaker 1: it the first time. Then they went to shoot it
Speaker 1: and like yeah they did like fifty times after that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh day, well spent. I say I have here. The
Speaker 1: mask throw over camera is the best thing in the
Speaker 1: whole movie. I mean it actually, I think is emblematic
Speaker 1: of what's so good about the movie, which is it's
Speaker 1: all texture. I mean, all the things that I love
Speaker 1: about Halloween three are not really the contents of the plot.
Speaker 1: I mean it is sort of pleasingly zaney and and disjointed,
Speaker 1: and in a way that's fun. But what really works
Speaker 1: about the movie is the look and feel of it.
Speaker 1: It's like it's almost like, you know, a video game
Speaker 1: that feels good to play. It's a movie that feels
Speaker 1: good to watch. And I think a lot of that,
Speaker 1: like I already said, is the sound. It's that texture
Speaker 1: of the U of the John Carpenter score, and it's
Speaker 1: the Dean Cundy look with those great you know, a
Speaker 1: really good use of the anamorphic wide screen, filling the
Speaker 1: whole shot with interesting stuff. A lot of those great
Speaker 1: still shots of environments and and all that, and and
Speaker 1: the fact that, I mean it's so texture driven. The
Speaker 1: movie is almost like rubbing a fur, you know, it's
Speaker 1: except it's a fur that's kind of like got orange
Speaker 1: juice goop in it. Or it's like a it's no,
Speaker 1: it's rubbing a mustache. It's rubbing Tom Atkins Ginger Burt
Speaker 1: Reynolds mustache. But I was like, is this real? Is
Speaker 1: this a fake must Right? It's dipped in vodka. Another
Speaker 1: couple of funny things. Uh, they have cameras like in
Speaker 1: every inch of this town. Yet somehow the doctor is
Speaker 1: able to sneak into the main control room and like
Speaker 1: reach his little hand up and start just typing a
Speaker 1: bunch of buttons. When they're walking, they have that little
Speaker 1: like I want to know, the rack of masks and
Speaker 1: they're trying across. It turned into a three Stooges episode.
Speaker 1: And then on the I don't know how he knew
Speaker 1: how to do all that or what effect dumping those
Speaker 1: things out would have, but it it had the exact
Speaker 1: right effect, such that Cochrane gives him a little golf
Speaker 1: clap like, well done, sir, you have foiled me alas
Speaker 1: my empire ruined so funny. Yes, uh, and then you
Speaker 1: know the end that this movie might break the record
Speaker 1: for the most times a dead body comes back to life. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, great horror trope. But Ellie, Ellie comes back
Speaker 1: to life. I think two or three times, maybe four
Speaker 1: including the hand I mean, you got to include all those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. So question I want to go around, actually,
Speaker 1: was she a robot the whole time? Or was she
Speaker 1: transformed into or replaced by a robot at some point?
Speaker 1: They don't you blade runner me pal. I think she
Speaker 1: was replaced. That's what she was doing on that operating table.
Speaker 1: That's what I think. Okay, I think so too. But
Speaker 1: it would be an interesting twist if, like the daughter
Speaker 1: of this independent toy store, it was taken and oh,
Speaker 1: it would be like the Wickerman, Like she's the Rowan
Speaker 1: Morrison that draws the police inspector to the town. She
Speaker 1: was just sent out as a cyborg to bring tom
Speaker 1: Atkins there, Except it wouldn't make sense because they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't burn him. He defeats them all. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, Well, we don't know, do it, Because it
Speaker 1: ends like there's still possibly one commercial that might play.
Speaker 1: I mean, it does have a dark ending. He you
Speaker 1: know it's playing out on TV. He gets on the phone.
Speaker 1: I guess with the CEO of television. He just speed
Speaker 1: dials it. It's like you run television, right, sure, get
Speaker 1: this commercial offensively? All right? Like it was that easy? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: so many things in this movie he seemed to accomplish
Speaker 1: that he should not have been able to accomplish. Whether
Speaker 1: it's a mask on the camera, I was like, how
Speaker 1: does he know what to type on this odd keyboard thing?
Speaker 1: He figured that out. Now he's got the number for
Speaker 1: whoever he needs to talk to you and convinces them
Speaker 1: to take off one two runs to the commercials, but
Speaker 1: maybe not the third. Just like I wasn't expecting that ending.
Speaker 1: I will say that I didn't know I was gonna
Speaker 1: end there. Yeah, I mean it's dark. The idea, I guess.
Speaker 1: The notion is that one of those commercials ran and
Speaker 1: whatever kids were watching that turn into snakeheads. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and that's an interesting thing too, is that, you know,
Speaker 1: that's of the cardinalals of hard movies, as you don't
Speaker 1: kill children, And this movie was like, man, let millions
Speaker 1: and millions of children are just crickets now, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's a good choice. In his review, Vincent Canby
Speaker 1: of The New York Times, I Think said that the
Speaker 1: movie was it simultaneously managed to be anti children, anti capitalism,
Speaker 1: anti television, and anti Irish. Yeah there's good old fashioned
Speaker 1: anti Irish movies. Yeah. Well, I also enjoyed, like Ramsey
Speaker 1: pointed out, you know stone Innges in England. I like
Speaker 1: how it was Irish, you know, like I don't know
Speaker 1: they went that way. That's a very good point, Ramsey.
Speaker 1: Why why is the stone hinge and Irish thing? I
Speaker 1: have no idea? Man payback? They were mad at the
Speaker 1: England take their stone nge to use it for killing
Speaker 1: people for reasons unknown. It's like the American American Children. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do it in California, right, Yeah, the Simpsons episode with
Speaker 1: the Lemon tree, you know, like England as Shelbyville. Oh yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you gotta have your rival rival country town. Whatever. Oh
Speaker 1: I love it. Uh? Can we move on to Dream Warriors?
Speaker 1: Are we ready? I'm ready? All right? So, so Nightmare
Speaker 1: on Elm Street three. Dream Warriors a movie that I
Speaker 1: also I don't think saw, although there were parts of
Speaker 1: it where I was like, wait a minute, have I
Speaker 1: seen this definitely like young Patricia Arquette definitely rang A
Speaker 1: bell Um the only good actor in the movie, which
Speaker 1: is I always wonder what happens like literally on set
Speaker 1: where you have like one really good actor and surrounded
Speaker 1: by a bunch of buffoons, Like, what is going on
Speaker 1: in Patricia Arquette said is. I mean, I know she
Speaker 1: was young and it was kind of a first movie,
Speaker 1: but she's good in this and and went on to
Speaker 1: be a really great actor, I think. But um, Laurence Fish,
Speaker 1: Laurence fishb oh, yeah, yeah, of course. And I feel
Speaker 1: like Robert England. Maybe I don't know if he's a
Speaker 1: good actor, but he's good at that. He's good away
Speaker 1: he does. You're also bringing back John Saxon as well,
Speaker 1: so I mean, who's he is that Nancy's dad? That's
Speaker 1: Nancy's dad. Yeah, Yeah, it's kind of nice to see
Speaker 1: him pop up and Nancy, God bless her. What's her name?
Speaker 1: Heather Langon Camp? Yeah, the epitome of likable on screen
Speaker 1: but not good at acting, not good at acting at all,
Speaker 1: but just somehow perfect for this. Still. Yeah, it's sort
Speaker 1: of a magic trick. I think I love that she
Speaker 1: showed up I again, I hadn't seen this Ramsey, and
Speaker 1: I watched this last night. Um, it's my first time.
Speaker 1: I love that she showed up and she was sort
Speaker 1: of like, you know, it doesn't really make sense that
Speaker 1: she's this hot shot nightmare expert, um, but I like
Speaker 1: that she did. And she was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be warriors and we're gonna fight this guy
Speaker 1: in audreams get it, Nancy. It's his final girl in
Speaker 1: the first one, and she's you know, come back, she
Speaker 1: didn't go away. I liked it. One thing I really
Speaker 1: love about all the nightmare movies that I've seen, which
Speaker 1: isn't that many, is uh, just the the dreamscapes always
Speaker 1: are so cool looking like uh, and they don't hold
Speaker 1: up in terms of like modern filmmaking, I guess, but
Speaker 1: they still have a great, like really creepy appeal and
Speaker 1: and the um, I just think it was a brilliant
Speaker 1: concept to have, uh, the the Devil be in your
Speaker 1: sleep because every movie it's like that. It's a really
Speaker 1: stressful thing to be fighting sleep like that, and you know,
Speaker 1: as soon as one of these kids goes asleep, all
Speaker 1: hell is going to break loose. And it just I
Speaker 1: don't know, it just holds up. It was a pretty
Speaker 1: brilliant concept from the beginning, I think absolutely. And I
Speaker 1: think that like there's that creepy thing too of it.
Speaker 1: Never really there's usually not a scene where like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're asleep. It's like, oh, okay, now there's no scene
Speaker 1: where like their eyes closed and yours there asleep and
Speaker 1: they keep guessing, which is a little you know, they
Speaker 1: go back to it over and over, but it works
Speaker 1: every time. Somehow, it does. I would say it also
Speaker 1: it works at a symbolic level. I mean not to
Speaker 1: get too cheesy or reading too much into Nightmare on
Speaker 1: elm Street movies, but I think it's significant in these
Speaker 1: movies that the adults and the institutions are always telling
Speaker 1: the young people to just go back to sleep, don't
Speaker 1: worry about it, don't think about it, just shut your
Speaker 1: eyes and lay down. And it's the kids who are
Speaker 1: trying to remain alert and remain aware. Something seemed kind
Speaker 1: of politically significant about that. Yeah, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: like it is definitely a great movie of its time.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at everything else that was
Speaker 1: happening and when movies were coming out, I mean you
Speaker 1: had Heathers. You had all the John Hughes movies and
Speaker 1: all these other things where there's all a lot of
Speaker 1: teen angst and you know, teen suicide was was you know,
Speaker 1: sorry to use this, but like a buzz as far
Speaker 1: as trying to prevent suicide within teens, and you know,
Speaker 1: that was like the focus of that. So they they
Speaker 1: filmmakers looked at what was going on and the movies
Speaker 1: that are coming out, and it's like, how can we
Speaker 1: capitalize on this and make an eighties movie where we
Speaker 1: can bring teenagers and and film you know, people that
Speaker 1: just love that, love what we're doing here. And then
Speaker 1: you know that's kind of how they focus this movie,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know it was their version of
Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club in a way, and so to speak.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's interesting too, like if you
Speaker 1: if you go deep and you look in horror movies,
Speaker 1: and I know we've talked about how they represent like
Speaker 1: our fears of society, but also like this whole concept
Speaker 1: of um, why didn't you believe somebody? Um? And I
Speaker 1: think a lot of times in horror movies, women aren't believed,
Speaker 1: are marginalized, people aren't believed, And in this movie, you
Speaker 1: have like the aspect of mental illness that they've all
Speaker 1: been by Freddie has pinned them all into this mental
Speaker 1: institution where people just don't believe them. And that's terrifying
Speaker 1: that you could be like, no, there, there really is
Speaker 1: somebody trying to kill me and nobody believes you. Nobody
Speaker 1: really cares. I totally agree. Uh, speaking of the dreamscapes,
Speaker 1: and another thing I love about the Nightmare movies is
Speaker 1: just how fucked up they are. I mean they really
Speaker 1: go for for mainstream movie making. These movies go to
Speaker 1: places that you only see usually in like you know,
Speaker 1: super b horror movies. Um, really disturbing imagery, whether it's
Speaker 1: the the vain poor little Joey, you know when he
Speaker 1: finally gets to make out with the nurse who was
Speaker 1: clearly like a playboy playmate and disguise and their their
Speaker 1: tongues yatch onto each other and then he's tied up
Speaker 1: with the tongues or the scene with the fucking needle
Speaker 1: fingers in those uh what what is that in her arm?
Speaker 1: Those little mouths. Oh my god, it's just so funked
Speaker 1: up for mainstream movie making. Yeah, Roger Eiebert actually wanted to,
Speaker 1: like he with with his review, he said this movie
Speaker 1: should be rated X. Like he was like, this is
Speaker 1: so fucked up, Like I don't know how they could
Speaker 1: give this rated R. Like he was just really adamant,
Speaker 1: is like this is one of the most scariest things
Speaker 1: and teenagers gonna watch it. And I actually saw this
Speaker 1: in the theater when it came out a friend of
Speaker 1: mine because I was like around ten years old or so,
Speaker 1: and we snuck in because like I had seen one
Speaker 1: and two and I was like, I was already obsessed by,
Speaker 1: like with horror films, and I like snuck in and
Speaker 1: it freaking scared the ship. I mean, and you know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean it's it's but yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 1: It's freaking frightening. All the stuff that came up with
Speaker 1: and you know, my favorite kill. One of them was
Speaker 1: the puppetry, the puppet thing, like such a such a
Speaker 1: freaking horrible scene. I mean, but it's and like the
Speaker 1: special effects though, I mean this they threw so money.
Speaker 1: All the budget basically went to the special effects, and
Speaker 1: there was a lot of it was all practical, um
Speaker 1: except for like the animatronic or the stop motion uh
Speaker 1: Ray Harry Housing type thing. With a skeleton. Yeah, that scene. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they just threw so much money at the special
Speaker 1: effects and they ran out clearly at a certain point.
Speaker 1: I like the Jason and the Argonaut style stop motion,
Speaker 1: but it looked like they shot it in front of
Speaker 1: a bed sheet, like projecting the movie. But they probably
Speaker 1: did actually both. Just like we were when we were
Speaker 1: watching The Last Night, I was like, why did they
Speaker 1: dig a sixty six foot grave for like bones? Like
Speaker 1: they could have just dug it all have saved them
Speaker 1: hours of digging a hole. It's definitely true. Been there,
Speaker 1: Where would the tension be with that racy? Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: very true. Joe. What's your history here with this movie?
Speaker 1: Have you? Are you a big Nightmare fan or uh?
Speaker 1: You know, I've seen all the Nightmare movies as a
Speaker 1: general horror fan. It's never in like my Key franchise.
Speaker 1: Uh I. I remember thinking this was one of the
Speaker 1: better ones in the series and going back on it now, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it has its ups and downs, but I really do
Speaker 1: love a lot. I mean, you're kind of knocking some
Speaker 1: of the sets and the effects, but I have great
Speaker 1: affection for the way this movie looks, the sets and
Speaker 1: the effects. I think are are a lot of what
Speaker 1: gives it its charm. I love the the the the
Speaker 1: Freddie snakehead puppet, and I mean even some of the
Speaker 1: grossest parts of Ramsey were mentioning the part with the
Speaker 1: vein puppet. You know, where the arteries are pulled out
Speaker 1: and there the strings. I mean, that's just one of
Speaker 1: the grossest images I've ever seen, but it is haunting.
Speaker 1: It's it's really quite astounding with what they accomplished there.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that I think is interesting
Speaker 1: is charting the evolution of Freddie along the course of
Speaker 1: the series, because in the first movie there are a
Speaker 1: couple of little moments where Freddie has some kind of
Speaker 1: fun or personality, but mostly he's just this nasty, uh frightening,
Speaker 1: obscure figure of darkness. And that's mostly true through the
Speaker 1: second one as well. There's a lot of interesting stuff
Speaker 1: going on in the second one. That's a whole other
Speaker 1: can of worms. But by the third movie, Freddie is
Speaker 1: starting to settle into what he would become for the
Speaker 1: rest of the series, which is more of a comedian
Speaker 1: like he's starting to have more personality to make jokes,
Speaker 1: to kind of mug for the camera and I think
Speaker 1: that with a character like Freddie, that kind of thing
Speaker 1: is sort of inevitable as the series progresses, because I
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, you see, like how what diminishing
Speaker 1: returns through are with Michael Myers in the later Halloween movies,
Speaker 1: whereas the killer who doesn't talk and just continues to
Speaker 1: walk around stabbing people in movies that are basically the
Speaker 1: same but worse over and over was Freddie. They change
Speaker 1: things by making him a comedian, and I don't know
Speaker 1: what else you could have really done with him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he he scared me when I was younger
Speaker 1: because for those reasons he ran at people. Uh. And
Speaker 1: you know, I think we were sort of conditioned to
Speaker 1: Michael Myers and Jason Vorhees stalking very slowly, not speaking.
Speaker 1: Freddie's running like a crazy person. Uh. They're always so
Speaker 1: creative with what he can do with his like the
Speaker 1: knives turning into different things like needles. Uh. He's he
Speaker 1: really It's it's sort of still really upsetting, and especially
Speaker 1: now that I have a daughter, when he's always calling
Speaker 1: girls the B word. Um, it's like, yeah, it really
Speaker 1: doesn't sit well with me to like hear him screaming
Speaker 1: that at these like high school girls. It's really effective
Speaker 1: and how disturbing it is. I think, yeah, I brought
Speaker 1: I think I brought it up last year when we
Speaker 1: we did one of these round tables. Like I saw
Speaker 1: Robert England do a talk at Dragon Con and he
Speaker 1: he um said that he would go into this one
Speaker 1: um as everything like his kill lines were mainly improv
Speaker 1: like you know, are you ready for prime time bitch?
Speaker 1: Like that was all improv um in there. But he
Speaker 1: would do a straight one where he would just kill
Speaker 1: them and talk like no talking, no puns, nothing like that,
Speaker 1: and then he's like, hey, let me try this, and
Speaker 1: then he would do his pun and they love that
Speaker 1: and they're like, Okay, how can we expand this character?
Speaker 1: And that's why you saw like the introduction of his
Speaker 1: back story. They started to fluff it out a little
Speaker 1: bit and then you know, how can we connect people?
Speaker 1: And I think like for me, Freddie was always he
Speaker 1: stood out differently, um because I had nightmares as a kid,
Speaker 1: so that like I could connect to that, Like I
Speaker 1: not necessarily had nightmares about Freddy Krueger, but I had
Speaker 1: things that haunted me in my dreams. So you were
Speaker 1: seeing these movies at ten years old. Well you know,
Speaker 1: I mean no like with that. My my my folks
Speaker 1: were just like you know whatever, you know, we're gonna
Speaker 1: watch whatever you want to watch. And they tried to
Speaker 1: hide something. Well they were interested into it. To my parents,
Speaker 1: like they didn't watch Night Rare elm Street, but they
Speaker 1: watched you know. I remember sneaking into my parents room
Speaker 1: when they were watching Jaws, like I hit underneath like
Speaker 1: a couch or something or to just to watch it.
Speaker 1: It was just that the fascination so I and I
Speaker 1: was afraid to go in the water anyway, but like um,
Speaker 1: but anyway, like I was saying, it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I was always afraid of Freddy, but like Robert England
Speaker 1: was like he would add those puns and then him
Speaker 1: being able to talk to his victims and have that
Speaker 1: interaction was different and not something that we we saw
Speaker 1: and slasher flicks um like your Michael Myers and you
Speaker 1: know even like Texas chainsaw masker and stuff like that
Speaker 1: outside of you know that you know with leather face
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah. The other thing that's so scary about
Speaker 1: Freddie is that uh and it ties back into the
Speaker 1: he comes in your dreams is um, that means there
Speaker 1: is no safe space, like you can be the cops
Speaker 1: can get you and like put you in a jail
Speaker 1: cell and and it surrounds you with cops with guns,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter, like there is no safe space, uh,
Speaker 1: because you're eventually gonna fall asleep. And that this is
Speaker 1: really just sort of been gives the whole franchise an
Speaker 1: unsettling feeling. I think. Yeah. Yeah, when they like sedated
Speaker 1: uh Patrici Arquette's character, I was like outrage, Like she can't.
Speaker 1: She don't want to be sedated. They're like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we're gonna sitate her and like just taking away that
Speaker 1: agency and putting her in like very dangerous, frightening situation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no good, even though when she finally got her Jim Cotta,
Speaker 1: I love that scene where they all have their superpowers
Speaker 1: and who's the one Roland when Roland is just just
Speaker 1: like I could bend these chair legs and then we'll
Speaker 1: stop doing that. Stop doing that. There's a wizard. I
Speaker 1: love the Wizard. They apparently there's a video game and
Speaker 1: like you can choose what superpower you want to fight
Speaker 1: Freddy in your dreams, So I take that. I'm into it.
Speaker 1: Where is the have it written down here? Um? Oh? Shoot?
Speaker 1: I had the best line in the movie from Roland
Speaker 1: when he calls him up, Oh here it is here.
Speaker 1: It is, yo, Freddy, where you had that you burnt
Speaker 1: face pussy cuss? Great, It's time to stop guessing and
Speaker 1: start messing. You know. Freddy's like up to the antie
Speaker 1: with these puns. You've gotta you've gotta bring it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was pretty great when he just busts through that wall. Wait,
Speaker 1: did y'all get the meme I made and sent you
Speaker 1: the other day when I found out that the director
Speaker 1: Chuck Russell, who made this movie also made Jim Carrey's
Speaker 1: The Mask. Yeah. Yeah, And as soon as I found
Speaker 1: as I found that out, I was like, whoa the similarities.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jim Carrey as The Mask is very Freddy
Speaker 1: Krueger in a way. He's like a you know, a
Speaker 1: non murdering Freddy Krueger. Now I was thinking, because he's
Speaker 1: all burned, you know, smoking. Yeah, for me, like you
Speaker 1: when you bring up Chuck Russell, like a lot of
Speaker 1: these early horror movies, is like you have John Silles
Speaker 1: that wrote like Piranha and you have other other filmmakers
Speaker 1: like Frank dare Bond was the writer on this and
Speaker 1: they obviously didn't like did Yeah, and you got Angelo Um,
Speaker 1: sorry if I mispronounced this battletle Min Minty who did
Speaker 1: like the the score for Twin Peaks and a lot
Speaker 1: of David Lynch films. I mean these were people getting
Speaker 1: their start and so they they would look at they
Speaker 1: would go into a production and be like, who's hot
Speaker 1: right now? Who do we like, who do we think
Speaker 1: can make a good movie? And then for our budget,
Speaker 1: and they basically brought them all together and like a
Speaker 1: lot of the you know, the puns and developing Freddie
Speaker 1: as a as a character came from these talented filmmakers
Speaker 1: and where they you know, where they got their start from.
Speaker 1: I mean pulling no punches, you know for this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this movie did really well. It kind of
Speaker 1: breathe new life into the franchise after I think Nightmare
Speaker 1: two was I think a bit of a disappointment. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then Dream War Years came back in seven with
Speaker 1: that great metal soundtrack and it it had all the
Speaker 1: elements you know, it was funny, it was really gruesome
Speaker 1: and fucked up. Uh, some some good cheesy acting, good soundtrack.
Speaker 1: It really had all the pieces. Yeah, this was a
Speaker 1: make or break movie for for New Line. I mean
Speaker 1: they just threw everything they had at this just to
Speaker 1: see if they could get it to work, and and
Speaker 1: it obviously did. I mean this, and then um, a
Speaker 1: couple of years later they did uh Teenage Mustan Ninja Turtles,
Speaker 1: which was also an independent film that made over two
Speaker 1: million UM with a shoestring budget as well. So I
Speaker 1: mean they were really talented um at the beginning to
Speaker 1: getting these things going and making them profitable for independent filmmakers. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Theirline is called The House that Freddie Built, UM. And
Speaker 1: I do think the similarities between uh, these two movies,
Speaker 1: it's interesting because they are they were movies that decided
Speaker 1: where these franchises would go. If Freddie became kind of
Speaker 1: what Freddie is in this one, UM and having these
Speaker 1: iconic villains that people just go back for more and more.
Speaker 1: But Freddie is different and that he does talk and
Speaker 1: he does make puns, and um, he moves quickly and
Speaker 1: he's in your dreams. Uh. I think it's interesting to
Speaker 1: compare also, like we've got this sort of mediocre doctor
Speaker 1: and both of them as like, is it very memorable? Sorry?
Speaker 1: Treg wess On. What I know him from is the
Speaker 1: great Brian to Palmer film Body Double, but he's he's
Speaker 1: quite an overactor. He has one of the better lines
Speaker 1: in the movie when he refuses to give them the
Speaker 1: drug to keep them from dreaming, and he says dream
Speaker 1: deprivation is a serious thing, and I'm like, is it
Speaker 1: to be fair? I think maybe that's not known like
Speaker 1: it could there could be bad medical effects to not dreaming.
Speaker 1: I think maybe we don't fully understand that. I want
Speaker 1: to be fair to this film, alright, Joe. I also
Speaker 1: like how he has like a serious pivot where he
Speaker 1: goes from like you're you're not making sense, Nancy, to
Speaker 1: oh my god, Nancy, I care about you. Let me
Speaker 1: talk to your dad. I can convince him to do
Speaker 1: this thing that you couldn't do, like I was. It
Speaker 1: was a very there's some whiplash for me in that
Speaker 1: in that ark for him. And then also like you know,
Speaker 1: the whole nun thing and now there's like a religious
Speaker 1: element to Freddy and like a crucifix, Like I get
Speaker 1: why they did it, but it was kind of weird.
Speaker 1: I feel like Freddy is above religion. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it implies he's a demon if holy water works on him,
Speaker 1: right right? Yeah, well, I mean that's the whole thing
Speaker 1: is like, what is it? He's a rape like thou
Speaker 1: hundred people. I don't know, interesting twist Freddy Krueger did not. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. And she was a great one of
Speaker 1: the great creepy nuns. You gotta have a great creepy dune.
Speaker 1: That's yeah. I mean that was kind of cool. Uh.
Speaker 1: And you know Nancy coming back to save the day
Speaker 1: as as a sort of a class c Ripley or
Speaker 1: Sarah connor Um Class D. But she kind of played
Speaker 1: that role. But you know, if you're a fan of
Speaker 1: the franchise to see her and her dad come back.
Speaker 1: And I guess her dad is he was a cop
Speaker 1: in the first one and he's been downgraded to security guard. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: he's also an alcoholic. I suppose he's at the bar
Speaker 1: that opened up in that great mullet head playing pool.
Speaker 1: Tell me you didn't notice that guy right away, just focusing,
Speaker 1: just squared up in the frame like immediately, and they're like,
Speaker 1: is he gonna say action? Is he gonna say action?
Speaker 1: Both of these movies have great depressing wood panel bars.
Speaker 1: I thought it was the same bar. Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: those kind of bars. That these two movies exist in
Speaker 1: the same universe. Oh and then I mean there's Freddie
Speaker 1: versus Jason, So I guess night Mare on Elm Street
Speaker 1: and Friday. I haven't seen any of those later movies,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I don't know if remember last
Speaker 1: year when we did round Tables. My horror stuff was
Speaker 1: fairly limited because I just I was sort of into it,
Speaker 1: but not really. And I never had like the good
Speaker 1: because I was a little church boy. I never had
Speaker 1: a friend like Ramsey who was like, you've got to
Speaker 1: see this stuff, man crazy, So no one was like
Speaker 1: feeding me these movies. So I saw the big, big ones,
Speaker 1: but like, I don't think I saw Passed Friday three
Speaker 1: even let us be your bad friend, yes please, I pitched.
Speaker 1: I pitched that you should have a segment where we
Speaker 1: do bad movies. Fun bad movies come Joe three to
Speaker 1: one on. Oh well, I mean there are a lot
Speaker 1: of So I actually prefer watching the later movies in
Speaker 1: the Friday the Thirteenth series. Obviously, if if you're looking
Speaker 1: for one that's actually a good movie. I think the
Speaker 1: first one is the best, but but later in the
Speaker 1: series they get very bad but very fun and just
Speaker 1: like the most watchable kind of bad slasher movie is
Speaker 1: like the whole run of five through eight is just glorious.
Speaker 1: When is Crispin Glover dancing? Which one is that one? Oh?
Speaker 1: That's four? Actually four is relord to Yeah, Crispin Glover
Speaker 1: does this amazing was sued by the City of New
Speaker 1: York because Yeah, I love that they put it into
Speaker 1: the promotion When Jason takes Manhattan. Yeah, that's a movie check.
Speaker 1: Jason takes Manhattan and there's a scene where he's in
Speaker 1: front of a T T I Friday's and next yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll get the same group together next year for a
Speaker 1: round table and maybe we'll just like do the best
Speaker 1: bad Friday movies. Oh man, I will say to bring
Speaker 1: it back to Nightmare on Elm Street. There's a big
Speaker 1: difference between Jason and Freddie, which is that Jason murders people,
Speaker 1: but he does not come off as a bad person.
Speaker 1: He comes off as kind of a force of nature
Speaker 1: or almost like a machine without a mind that's just
Speaker 1: sort of making the murders happen. Freddy Krueger comes off
Speaker 1: as a bad person, and that's that's a big difference.
Speaker 1: He comes off as aggressive and evil. That's that's a
Speaker 1: good point because we were talking about this last night
Speaker 1: where I'm like, you know, in the in the new one,
Speaker 1: the twist is he actually did do the thing that
Speaker 1: they burned him for, but in this like originally he
Speaker 1: didn't do it, but was burned killed empathy for him, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but because he does take such seeming pleasure out of
Speaker 1: killing instead of I don't know, being more of a
Speaker 1: force of ature, just like this is vengeance. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's like vengeance, but like vengeance with super relish on
Speaker 1: these children who didn't have anything to do with it. Um,
Speaker 1: and I it's been so long since I've seen the
Speaker 1: following movies, Like, does he's just start killing people who
Speaker 1: aren't connected to what happens in the first one? Well,
Speaker 1: so sorry, guys. He so you see the scene where
Speaker 1: he's like grabs the souls, like he takes his shirt
Speaker 1: off and you see all the faces on his chest.
Speaker 1: So basically he's collecting the souls of all the children.
Speaker 1: And so where the series goes after this is, you know,
Speaker 1: Nancy dies, and um, you know, protect character. She's now
Speaker 1: the hero that we follow. And then the next movie,
Speaker 1: they basically within the first five minutes kill off all
Speaker 1: the all the Elm Street kids, which are the kids
Speaker 1: whose parents killed Freddy Krueger. And in that process she
Speaker 1: transfers her knowledge and power to another Alice, to another person,
Speaker 1: and then you follow her for another couple of the movies,
Speaker 1: and then I think they just run out of material.
Speaker 1: And basically I don't I think she survives. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know the movies that well,
Speaker 1: but like, so it follows her so once that in
Speaker 1: the one after this, No, she did not, she was
Speaker 1: one and done. Um and she dies immediately. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: her her replacement dies immediately along with Kincaid and then
Speaker 1: Joey Um. They you know, like Kincaid's if you want
Speaker 1: to go see my movie, don't go any grab popcorn
Speaker 1: because I die. In the first five minutes. A dog
Speaker 1: comes named Jason and pisces on Freddie's skeleton and it
Speaker 1: comes back to life and kills Kincaid. Is that true?
Speaker 1: Like how to bring him back? And basically a dog
Speaker 1: watches his leg and pisces on it, and like the
Speaker 1: flesh comes back onto the bones and comes back and
Speaker 1: kills Kincaid and then you know, then they go kills
Speaker 1: Joey and then you know, you know. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: where the progression goes, um with with the how they're
Speaker 1: able to to continue the kills. And then the next two,
Speaker 1: like the next four and five five, you start to
Speaker 1: see the wane of of the special effects. But like
Speaker 1: they pushed that special effects into the fourth one, So
Speaker 1: it's worth of the watch because it's all practicals not
Speaker 1: digital and c g I and stuff like that, which
Speaker 1: I think kind of killed the series as far as
Speaker 1: an enjoyability and stuff like that. Um, just for me,
Speaker 1: you know, just growing up. We have to talk about
Speaker 1: Dockin Yeah yeah, uh, I mean the record with platinum
Speaker 1: that that song went platinum? I mean did it really? Yeah? Like,
Speaker 1: does anybody want to do a do a little chorus?
Speaker 1: I think we'd all have to do it together, wouldn't we?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no no no no no no no no,
Speaker 1: we're the dream. Wait are we going to get ni cheese? For? That?
Speaker 1: Is the cant that out? And and Freddy comes It's
Speaker 1: like bloody Mary for Freddy. Now you guys are haunted
Speaker 1: I didn't do it, so I'm good. Well, who we
Speaker 1: need to get in here is Joey because apparently he
Speaker 1: has super voice and is that his superpower? He yells no,
Speaker 1: and that's what does it. He's like a little anti climactic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really like banshee. Yeah. Well, I feel like the
Speaker 1: thing was, you know, all all there, the reasons why
Speaker 1: they were in the mental institution became their superpowers, which
Speaker 1: was sort of an interesting message. Yeah, I think so
Speaker 1: he was too traumatized to speak, and so at the
Speaker 1: and he finds his voice, it's loud enough to scare
Speaker 1: Freddy away. Yeah, I get it. Annie. Let me explain
Speaker 1: it more to you, Chuck, how you should have interpreted
Speaker 1: this film. It's excellent film, but we can't. We can't
Speaker 1: not mention fairy Dad at the end. It's amazing. Nancy's
Speaker 1: like immediately buys it. I would I was, you know,
Speaker 1: this is obviously Freddy. But she's like, oh, Dad is
Speaker 1: passing over. I've loved you always, and then it's it's
Speaker 1: ready but her dad is actually dead. Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: think before we go, guys, if you've got another like
Speaker 1: ten minutes, maybe we can each mention one other thing
Speaker 1: that we've watched this Halloween that maybe you've never seen before.
Speaker 1: If that has happened. Um, I'll go first. While you're thinking,
Speaker 1: I've watched a couple of movies last week. Watch one
Speaker 1: called Let's Scare Jessica to Death, which is this very
Speaker 1: kind of cult classic from the early seventies that is
Speaker 1: really really pretty good. Um. I recommended it's streaming on
Speaker 1: Criterion app if you've got that, but very much a
Speaker 1: cult classic, not a huge movie, very creepy and and
Speaker 1: in the perfect sort of early seventies horror way. And
Speaker 1: then last night, after watching Dream Warriors, I watched the
Speaker 1: remake of Maniac with Elijah Wood. Have you guys seen
Speaker 1: that movie? Yeah, yeah, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Did
Speaker 1: not like it. I mean it was, it was effective,
Speaker 1: but it was really disturbing in like not good ways,
Speaker 1: not like, oh but that was good. It was disturbing.
Speaker 1: And how they treated mental illness disturbing and how they
Speaker 1: you know, it's the first person perspective. Uh, and the
Speaker 1: in the scenes where he's stalking these women from the
Speaker 1: first person was really fucking disturbing. Uh. Some of the
Speaker 1: grossest should have seen. It was just I don't know,
Speaker 1: it might be some people's cup of tea, but I
Speaker 1: was very turned off, Like I had this face, you know,
Speaker 1: like throughout the entire movie, my face was just twisted
Speaker 1: and screwed up because I was like, why, why so
Speaker 1: do not recommend? Messed me up? Like I Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had the same feeling like I will never watch that
Speaker 1: movie again. Um yeah, yeah, because the original, like it
Speaker 1: is also messed up, but it wasn't it doesn't go
Speaker 1: that far. Yeah, it was pretty pretty bad. I mean
Speaker 1: not bad, as it was well made and I see
Speaker 1: what they were doing, but just not not for me. Joe,
Speaker 1: have you seen anything new this October? I was trying
Speaker 1: to think of you've been diving into the classics. I've
Speaker 1: been watching a lot of the classics in terms of
Speaker 1: something I saw that was new, that was kind of
Speaker 1: bad and good in an interesting way. It's an early
Speaker 1: two thousands movie came out, maybe like two thousand three
Speaker 1: or four called Cursed or Cursed that I think was
Speaker 1: directed by Wes Craven since we're on Craven right now,
Speaker 1: written by Kevin Williamson, the guy did Scream and Dawson's
Speaker 1: Creek and I know what you did last summer, and
Speaker 1: uh it is. I can't say it's a good movie.
Speaker 1: It is definitely bad, but it's it's an imminently watchable
Speaker 1: bad movie. I would say I was never once board though.
Speaker 1: It really does not make any sense. And for people
Speaker 1: who are interested in how movies get made, it's a
Speaker 1: notorious case of studio interference, studio creative interference that just
Speaker 1: kept coming in and requiring rewrites and reshoots. I think
Speaker 1: they made the movie basically three times, and what you
Speaker 1: ended up with is not a coherent product at all,
Speaker 1: but is also very interesting and entertaining. All right, cursed Annie,
Speaker 1: what about you? Well? First, I want to give one
Speaker 1: last nightmare in elm Street. Fact that I owe Ramsey
Speaker 1: for is that Robert England was roommates with s Mark
Speaker 1: Campbell and helped him get Star Wars. Yes, uh, okay,
Speaker 1: that's a st worry. I want to see um for
Speaker 1: new Mark and Bob like what roommates Like Mark Campbell
Speaker 1: is sleeping on his couch or something and he's like,
Speaker 1: I got this audition. I don't know what if I
Speaker 1: want to do it or not. I'm in my soap
Speaker 1: propers is some space movies like no, do it? Go
Speaker 1: do it? Do it? Are you ready for prime time
Speaker 1: with you? Oh? God? I want Freddie Star Wars puns
Speaker 1: so badly. Um. I recently watched The Other Lamb, which
Speaker 1: was touted as like a more feminist version of Midsummer,
Speaker 1: which is kind of a heavy label like going In,
Speaker 1: but I really liked it. And it's about, um, a
Speaker 1: cult where the leader is like sexy Jesus and but
Speaker 1: everyone else's women, and he has sex with the women
Speaker 1: but not on their periods because, like I said last time,
Speaker 1: I'm all about ministry and supernatural horror right now. Um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and so it follows their little journey of realizing
Speaker 1: maybe this guy is not so good, maybe we should
Speaker 1: like kill him. Um. And then I watched this movie.
Speaker 1: I can't really remember what it was called. It was
Speaker 1: like tell Me a Story or something. It was on
Speaker 1: a m C. But that I I enjoyed it. It's
Speaker 1: basically about like two writers, one of the young woman
Speaker 1: who's really successful, one was like a middle aged man
Speaker 1: who's like super not successful, and they get trapped in
Speaker 1: a cabin together and they tell each other stories. And
Speaker 1: the interesting thing about that movie, it's one of it's
Speaker 1: one of those movies where I couldn't tell if the
Speaker 1: writer got it or not, because the whole message at
Speaker 1: the end was like, I mean spoiler, but he's a
Speaker 1: really bad dude and he's like, I'll tell you a
Speaker 1: very scary story. Um. It's about a man who was
Speaker 1: a failure and a woman who just has everything. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't tell if you're making a commentary
Speaker 1: or like actually mad about like a woman who's been
Speaker 1: more successful than you. I don't know, but I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: That's worth I watched, right. Um, I haven't really watched
Speaker 1: anything new, Um I did. I have been watching horror movies,
Speaker 1: but I haven't watched like, oh, let me give that
Speaker 1: a shot. Um, But I would like to say, like
Speaker 1: I did. I went back and revisited the I Guess
Speaker 1: the Newest Thing movie, um, and it was pretty good.
Speaker 1: It wasn't It wasn't as good as the John Carpenter version,
Speaker 1: um and so like, but it was still enjoyable. And
Speaker 1: then I went right into John Carpenters saying, and it
Speaker 1: was actually it's pretty almost seamless how they how they
Speaker 1: did that. It still has the same feel um as
Speaker 1: Carpenters and all that, and they bring a lot of
Speaker 1: that elements in there, and you know, I was kind
Speaker 1: of disappointed when I heard it was coming out, just like,
Speaker 1: come on, guys, let's do something new that type stuff.
Speaker 1: It was a good surprise. Um. And another surprise UM
Speaker 1: was a movie called Ready or Not UM, which I
Speaker 1: think is streaming now on HBO Max. UM. So that
Speaker 1: one was actually, you know, was was was pretty good
Speaker 1: as well. It's kind of like a campy, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, cheesy horror type of elements and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: A lot of fun stuff in there. Um. But I
Speaker 1: think those are the two that I really have stood out,
Speaker 1: you know, um, and I mean I recommend that both
Speaker 1: of those. I mean, there's definitely a break from from
Speaker 1: the news cycle and all that type of stuff going on. Nice. Well, Uh,
Speaker 1: this was a lot of fun everybody. This is going
Speaker 1: to come out Friday, Uh, one more day to Halloween,
Speaker 1: so everyone has a safe Halloween. It was good to
Speaker 1: see Annie a lot, but a good seeing you Ramsey,
Speaker 1: good seeing you Joe. Everyone loves these round tables. It's
Speaker 1: maybe we should stretch these into November at some point.
Speaker 1: I don't know that's that just seems wrong. But these
Speaker 1: Halloween shows are a lot of fun for us. I
Speaker 1: think there's a Thanksgiving horror movie. Oh yeah, thanks Killing,
Speaker 1: Thanks Killing. You haven't seen Thanks Killing? Oh goodness me,
Speaker 1: Annie Reese. I've seen a lot of bad horror movies,
Speaker 1: you guys. That's great. And they're one with the Killer
Speaker 1: Turkey too. Yeah. Okay, obviously all right, everyone out there
Speaker 1: in podcast land have a great Hallow weekend. Uh, stay
Speaker 1: safe and um check out Halloween three season of the
Speaker 1: Witch and Nightmare on Elm Street three Dream Warriors, both
Speaker 1: very very fun movies, one a little scarier than the other,
Speaker 1: but don't Halloween threees is pretty great. Highly recommended. Right
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