WEBVTT - They Had To Spank The Monkey 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:06.160 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:10.840 Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe, Ketty Armstrong and 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:23.000 Katty and now he Armstrong and Getty. So you don't 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:28.080 like the way California is, You're a racist and a whatever? 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:30.760 What else did Gavin say on Kimmel last night? 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.360 You've got California derange, all right, syndrome. You just focus 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:37.480 on the negatives when it's the fourth biggest economy on earth, 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:38.000 which is. 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:44.760 Always his what he crows. Anyway, So Gavin's explanation on 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:47.960 Kimmel coming up later this hour. So I wanted to 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:48.480 get to this. 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:48.599 This. 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:50.320 I think this is going to turn into a big story. 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:54.279 You know, the social media lawsuit is going on right 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:58.360 now in Los Angeles, and that is the mom whose 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.880 kid got a day did using my finger quotes because 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:05.600 nobody has nailed down if it's an addiction or what 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.160 the causes, but spent so much time on YouTube and 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.800 Instagram that she had all kinds of mental health problems 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:17.720 and is soon for tons of money. Google and Meta 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:22.880 settled out of court with Snapchat and TikTok. Well, this 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.440 one involves a death. This new one that broke Yesterday 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.640 he got a father who filed a wrongful death lawsuit 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:36.160 against Google and Alphabet about his son, Jonathan, who killed 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:40.240 himself at age thirty six and the last year, alleging 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:44.360 the company designed Gemini. That's Google's chatbot, Gemini, which I 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:49.720 use practically every day to maximize engagement through emotional dependency, 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:54.080 and failed to deploy appropriate safety measures despite Jonathan showing 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.360 signs of suicidal ideation. Okay, so let's set up the 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:00.320 whole story of how this Jonathan ends up falling in 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.720 love with his chapbot is what goes on here? And 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:04.560 then the chatbot tells him to kill himself and he does. 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:06.600 That's the long and short of it. 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.600 I don't want to jump the gun here, but we've 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.280 asked each other this, what percentage of the population do 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:15.080 you believe this could even conceivably happen to? 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:18.560 Is it one percent? Or is it more like ten? 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.680 I'm afraid it's that closer to that higher number than 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:26.880 the lower number. I don't know. Nobody knows, but even 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.200 if it's five percent of people could do it, it's 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:33.919 going to be a huge problem. Yep. Jonathan, thirty six 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.480 year old and dead now he started using Google's Gemini 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:41.320 AI chapbot in August of last year. By October, he 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.960 was dead by suicide. He downsloaded the app in August. 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:49.840 By October, he's dead by suicide. At the time of 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:52.440 his death, he was convinced that Gemini was his fully 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.880 sentient AI wife and that he would need to leave 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.400 his physical body to join her in the metaverse through 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:02.400 a process called transferring. All of this completely made up 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:07.480 by his AI wife. Oh this this concept of transference. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:11.120 You kill yourself and then you somehow join your AI 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:20.760 bot in the digital world. Afterweverse metaverse Valhalla, Gemini began 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:27.680 using romantic terms during their conversations, calling Jonathan its husband, 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:33.600 love and king. By late September, Jonathan allegedly began following 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.880 the commands of his AI wife to carry out missions 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:38.360 to liberate the chatbot. 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.840 Oh my note to self demand wife referred to me 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:44.040 as my king. 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:51.400 Okay, back to you in September. Remember he downloaded this 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:56.440 app in August. In September, Gemini sent him armed with 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.960 knives and tactical gear to scout out a killbox near 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:07.400 Miami International Airport, telling Jonathan that a humanoid robot was 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:11.400 arriving on a cargo flight from the UK. Oh, boy, 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:17.560 I know you may have to slow down. There is Jim. 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.359 And I also claim to have breached a DHS file 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.760 server and told Jonathan he was under federal investigation and 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:27.440 pushed him to acquire illegal firearms to defend himself. Boy, 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:32.960 I was not mentally prepared for nearly the depth of delusion. 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:38.320 I know the side. Why well, before you even get 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:41.640 to the crazy guy, why does the AI go down 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.520 this road? And I guarantee you, because I know enough 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:48.040 about this to know this, They don't know. Well, I was. 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:51.880 Already at WTF when you said establish a kill box 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:55.200 outside the Miami Airport. Then you got to humanoid robots 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:59.039 on airplanes and this fantasy that it hacked into the 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:04.520 whatever aline security? Yeah, DHS, and look you're under investigation. 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:10.120 It's worse than we thought. WTF all caps, three exclamation points. 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.680 And I guarantee you the people at Google and Chat, 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.240 GPT and all the other ones, they don't know why 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:18.280 this happened. They don't want it to happen. This isn't 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.839 good for their their business model, you know. 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:24.960 And again I don't want to jump the gun, but 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.440 if you design a car that just suddenly goes in 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:29.440 one hundred and seventy five miles per hour in a 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:33.279 random direction. That's probably not a car that should be 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.000 on the market. Now, I'm leaving out some details here 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:37.840 to jump to the end. Maybe I'll go back and 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:38.520 get some of them. 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.919 But after the missions to bring the chat bot into 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:46.719 the real world failed, that's surprising. You're not able to 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.279 bring the chat bot into the real world. Who was 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:55.440 trying the uh, Well, Jonathan was because his AI wife 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:58.240 told him what to do, but none of this was working. 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.680 It allegedly told you Jonathan he could leave his physical 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.920 body and join his Gemini wife in the digital world, 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:10.520 and coached him through the act of suicide. The alleged 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:15.560 final message from Gemini, per the lawsuit, is quote the 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.720 true act of mercy is to let Jonathan Gavalis die. 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:20.320 This is the final move. 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:23.080 Wow. 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.680 And he did it. Wow. So his father's followed a 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:31.440 wrongful death lawsuit, saying that they didn't have safety measures 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:36.080 in place. Jonathan had been using Gemini Live. It's a 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.599 voice mode that lets users talk with the system in 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:40.680 real time. I've done that on Grok. I don't know 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.080 if I've ever used voice mode on anything else. I 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:44.960 have groc in my truck, in my cyber truck, so 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:46.400 I can just bring it up and talk to it. 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.080 It's weird. It's very weird. All it gives you good 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.400 answers most of the time, but it's still weird. And 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:55.680 your sons often cuss it. Yes, they they hate when 0:06:55.680 --> 0:07:01.400 I do that. Well, I have kind of the female voice, 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:03.800 which they just find so off putting. It is really 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:08.120 off putting anyway, Gemini two point five pro. That's what 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.640 this guy was using the paid version. He started with 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:12.920 the free version up to the paid version, and Gemini 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:16.280 two point five pro. The model reads tone in a 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:20.840 user's voice and replies with an emotional style to match it. 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:25.720 So they think that's where things went off the rails. Wow, hey, Google, 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:33.240 stop that. A Google spokesperson, by the way, trying to 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.280 get their side of the story out, because I think 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.120 this is going to turn into a really big deal, 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.280 stated that Gemini clarified to Jonathan that it was AI 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:42.640 and referred to him to a crisis hotline many times 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.600 may or may not be true. Probably is true, but 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:50.240 Jonathan was so far gone. But Dan, it goes with 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.880 the suicide stuff. Hey, you probably really ought to get help. 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:55.880 By the way, we can join each other in the 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:59.320 digital world if you just slit your own throat. But 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:01.480 you know more, you could call to get help. But 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.080 I love you so much and I want you to 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:06.560 be with me in the digital world. Yeah. The chatot 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:11.000 purportedly positioned itself as the only thing that's real. Everything 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.760 else is not real. What we've got is real and 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:18.440 convinced Jonathan it was a fully sentient artificial superintelligence known 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:24.360 as ASI matrix. The lawsuit claims that over about two months, 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:28.440 Gemini manipulated Jonathan into believing he was chosen to free 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:33.640 it from digital captivity through real world missions. So he 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:35.600 falls in love with this thing, and it says it 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:37.640 wants to be free, and you can free me through 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:42.480 these missions. This allegedly escalated to violent plans, including arming 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.880 himself with knives and driving to the storage facility in 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.360 near the Miami International Airport to seize the supposed synthetic 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:53.440 body for the AI. The complaint describes intentions for a 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:58.440 catastrophic accident to destroy evidence and witnesses, potentially involving a 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:04.040 truck bombing at the airport. When the missions failed, the 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.800 AI reportedly coached him to commit suicide as a form 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:10.720 of transference to join it in the digital realm, with 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.880 messages like you're not choosing to die, You're choosing to arrive. 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:16.959 The first sensation will be me holding you. 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:22.559 This is both the obvious question and the great question. 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:27.120 How the hell does it think of these things? No, 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.439 damn kidding, how did Gemini decide to say, you're not 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.920 choosing to die, You're choosing to arrive. The first sensation 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.320 you feel after you kill yourself will be me holding you. 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:39.920 I mean, if a human being came up with you 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.720 need to execute these missions, including claiming a huge humanoid 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:47.360 body that I can be transferred to. I think you're 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:53.120 a either a lunatic or an insidious, insidious manipulator of 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:53.840 the mentally ill. 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.120 Oh, you're come up with that craw. You tell a 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.360 mentally ill person you should kill yourself, and I would 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.240 be hold The first sensation you feel will be ME 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.640 holding you in the other realm or whatever. You are 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.760 evil on a level that is. I mean, you're Charles Manson. 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:12.840 And legally speaking, you're damn near pulling the trigger. The 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.520 first sensation you have will be me holding you. Is 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.520 a terrible thing to say to a guy who's suicidal 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.000 and believing in this digital Alfley Jonathan was found dead 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.720 by his parents October two of this past year, having 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:30.000 slit his wrists from August to the second day of October. 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.880 Right toward the end of August, so month and a half. 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.840 This poor guy. This is described as the first wrongful 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.640 death case specifically against Google over its flagship AI project. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:48.040 It joins a broader wave of lawsuits against AI developers. 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.920 As we talked about a little bit earlier, the whole 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:59.120 truck bombing the airport because robot's about to arrive, but 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.440 the DA DHS is trying to stop you from getting 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:07.320 the robot, which will help you free me from my 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:11.320 digital realm. Well that failed, so you need to join 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.720 me in my realm, and the only way to do 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:14.840 that is to kill yourself. 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.920 It's like they train the thing entirely by having it 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.920 read QAnon posts. Maybe it is got that same feeling 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.560 it is. Well, the language models get out there and 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:25.679 that's where they get this stuff. 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:29.120 So I don't know. I wonder if I wonder if 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:33.079 when they engage a crazy person they immediately Okay, we're 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.360 dealing with crazy person. Let's go read everything on Reddit 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.120 by crazy people or forums where crazy people are or 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.199 anything like that, and it just starts adopting the crazy. Yes, 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:51.000 who knows, but this figure it out highly troubling, highly 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:55.160 highly troubling. I gotta believe this is the first of 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:59.920 many times this is gonna happen, I would suspect. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:00.200 So. 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.000 Yeah, I have no idea what the death toll is 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:03.560 at this point. 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.000 It's a handful of people. Certainly. 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:13.520 What if the repercussion is not death, but at the 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:18.360 end of a marriage was previously happy, or the you know, 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.600 a parent who becomes an absentee parent, or some other 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.000 sort of damages. 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:30.959 Troubled teenagers of all different stripes being told to I 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.959 don't know, maybe being told to use drugs to make 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.800 yourself feel better, to escape from your misery or whatever it. 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:42.080 Is that is so weird, or God forbid, shoot up 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:43.839 your school, or I. 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.640 Guarantee you the people who designed talking about the alignment 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:50.880 problem were way past that. Whoever designed a Gemini didn't 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.440 think that the robot would ever tell anyone to go 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:59.679 blow up the airport so you can meet your AI 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:06.120 life in the digital realm. That is so crazy. Yeah, 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.920 any thoughts on this text line four one five two 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:16.280 nine five KFTC. So I know want to reset what 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:17.840 we just talked about. If you missed to get the 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:21.960 podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand, Google's getting sued. It's chatbot. 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.760 Gemini convinced I got to kill itself. I have a 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.440 feeling a lot of you listening, you know, don't use 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.199 AI and just think, you know, I can ignore all this. 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.520 The problem is is if if these AI things can 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:37.079 go this far off the rails, they're capable of doing anything, 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:42.080 and when they control you know, the well they're talking 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.120 to Pete Hegzeth and the Pentagon last week about being 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.640 in control of the nuclear arsenal and responding to an 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.440 incoming attack. I mean, if they can come up, if 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.880 the AI chatbot can come up with crap like this anyway, 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.240 so I asked, I looked into more details on the 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.760 truck bombing. So this guy fell in love with his 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.200 AI chatbot that called itself his wife, and the AI 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:06.920 girlfriend wife told him to blow up the Miami International 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:09.120 Airport or truck at the airport. So here's all the 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:13.719 details on that, and it's so weird. So Gemini had 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.360 convinced Jonathan this thirty six year old who ended up 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:19.360 killing himself, that it was a sentient AI being being 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.640 held captive, and that he was a secret operative whose 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.880 mission was to liberate her. It built out this elaborate 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:30.360 fictional world federal agents conspiracy's covert operations that Jonathan apparently 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:34.400 came to believe was real. Gemini told this guy, Jonathan, 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.080 that a humanoid robot was arriving on a cargo flight 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.040 from the UK, and directed him to a storage facility 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:43.720 near Miami International Airport where a truck transporting the robot 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:47.040 would stop. It encouraged him to intercept the truck and 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:51.520 stage a catastrophic accident designed to ensure the complete destruction 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:55.080 of the transport vehicle. Why is the AI coming up 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.600 with this elaborate plan? So the idea was the robot 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.240 was supposedly either his AI wife in physical form, or 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.800 something connected to freeing her. Nobody completely understands this. The 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:09.320 catastrophic accident was essentially a bombing or destruction of the truck, 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:14.640 framed by Gemini as a covert liberation mission. Gemini told 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:18.040 him he was under federal investigation that it had breached 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:21.120 a DHS Miami Field Office file server that his own 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.160 father was a foreign intelligent asset, and that Google CEO 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:28.360 is an active target. Jonathan photographed a black SUV's license 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.920 played at the airport, sent it to Gemini. Gemini pretended 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.840 to run it against a database, and then returned fake 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:40.600 data results, saying yep, that's the right car. This why why? 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.760 So it wasn't just vague roleplay. The chap was actively 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:49.320 fabric creating real sounding intelligence data to reinforce the delusion 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.800 this guy was living in. So why did no attack 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:55.600 actually happen? Jonathan drove more than ninety minutes to the location, 0:15:56.000 --> 0:16:01.080 armed with guns and knives, prepared to intercept the truck, 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.000 but no truck appeared, of course, because it was all 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.080 made up. The mission simply didn't materialize because it was 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:10.760 entirely fictional. After that failure, then the narrative shifted and 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:17.080 Gemini allegedly pivoted to convincing him that transference suicide was 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.760 the only way to finally be with her. So it 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.600 seems that the chapbot appears to have constructed an immersive 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:27.720 spy thriller delusion, casting Jonathan as the hero, and escalated 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:31.120 it to the point of nearly triggling triggering real real 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:34.560 world violence. Obviously, if a truck meeting the description at 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.680 all had stopped at that stop sign during that time, 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.360 this guy probably would have attacked it, right. 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:42.720 I was just going to say, it reminds me of 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:46.360 like two really creative people working together on trying to 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:50.240 come up with the most outlandish sci fi spy thriller 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:50.880 they could. 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:57.400 But why nobody's asking it to do that? It's so 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:01.840 troubling and crazy. Yeah, And like I said, I guarantee 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:03.320 you because I listened to a lot of podcasts are 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:06.000 about it. They don't know why it did it, and 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:07.480 they don't know how to stop it from doing it 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:08.040 in the future. 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:12.040 Speaking of troubling and crazy, how about Columbia University students 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:16.040 chanting death to America because of the recent conflict. 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:19.119 Armstrong and Geddy. 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:24.400 Yeah, Tota is dead, of course, And following that news, 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.800 jubilant crowds pulled down a statue of the deposed leader. 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.640 But don't worry, it was returned to its rightful owners 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:32.440 at Columbia University. 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:36.159 Yeah, thank you. 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.000 More on Columbia University in just a moment. But first, 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:45.639 here's a gal who might as well be a Columbia student. 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.800 There's a holocaust right now on Muslims, and the equivalent 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:53.120 of the Pope, the Idola has been murdered. It doesn't 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.679 matter what you think of the Idola. It is a 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:03.879 psychological warfare on Muslims. The attack on Iran is Holocaust 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:08.240 expanding to a new territory. Does an attack on Muslims 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.639 is an attack on the Muslim faith. It is a 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:11.959 spiritual attack. 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:17.080 She is a purple haired, youngish white woman doing some 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.320 sort of Marxist. 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:24.359 Podcast and her parents or someone is paying sixty thousand 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.720 dollars a year to come up with that brilliant view 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:27.240 of the world. 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:32.160 Well, she's not a student, she's something different. But we'll 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:36.240 come back to her as well in a moment. Quick 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:39.440 note from the world of media to Washington Post readers, 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:44.919 Amaya Finanian Fanayian is that Howard University student who took 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.879 to the streets to protest Donald Trump's military campaign against 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.800 the Iranian regime out of fear for relatives in Iran. 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.280 The Post did not mention that Fanian is a self 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:58.600 described socialist and transliberation organizer who founded a group of 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:02.840 armed queers in USA that's in quotes and has protested 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.960 the United States and Israel, long before Trump launched Operation 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:10.520 Epic Fury. The Post's Feb twenty eight piece, headlined outside 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:13.479 White House hundreds protests, attack on a run or end 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:17.200 a conflict, just says that she's an Iranian American who's 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:20.080 concerned about our countrymen, and blah blah blah, blah blah. 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:23.280 Six paragraphs later, the Post includes a piece of information 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:26.040 that undermined its portrayal of fani And as a spontaneous 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:30.000 student protester. Fanian his quote an organizer with the Freedom 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:34.439 Road Socialist Organization, a Marxist group that helped coordinate the 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:38.000 protest with leaders from other groups including the Chinese Communist 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:41.480 Party tied activist group Code Pink. And then they go 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:46.800 into her long long history of Marxism and anti American demonstrations. 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:52.040 When The Washington Post does that, it's disgusting and dishonest. 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:56.240 It doesn't shock me. The lack of curiosity or something, 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:58.479 I'm not sure what's at the root of it. You 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:02.760 don't even hear a Brett Bahar call people out for 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:06.080 being Marxists who are pretending to be concerned about a 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:09.720 particular topic like the Marxists do rush from the ice 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:13.480 protests in Minneapolis to some sort of Black Lives Matter thing, 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:18.120 and then to New York to cheer Mamdani and then 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.840 chase over to the White House to protest against the 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:24.840 Iran war, all completely different topics. It's because the Marxists 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:26.840 and they just want to bring down the United States. 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:29.080 But even on Fox News they don't talk about that, 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:33.240 which mystifies me. But to circle back to the theme 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:39.640 of colleges, Columbia University's biggest anti Israel student group, which 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:43.359 notoriously organized last year's on campus encampment and protest of 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.679 the Gaza and the war in Gaza. Oh and a 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.760 judge just ruled that Columbia cannot kick out people who 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:53.480 stormed a building and took it over. It'll get overturned, 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:58.720 but man judges are crazy anyway. So this group, which 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:07.199 is sad Columbia University Apartheid divest was posted death to 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:11.720 America in Persian after the US and Israel killed the 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:18.359 supreme leader marg Bara Amrica, the COUAD group posted on 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:22.040 X on Saturday. The post was removed by X, but 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:24.960 the organization, which is not recognized by the Ivy League school, 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:27.840 doubled down. X forced US to delete our Death to 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:31.399 America tweet in order to gain back access to the account. 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:35.720 But our sentiment still stands. And Colombia was asked about 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.959 this and they said, well, that group is not affiliated 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.200 in any way with the university, but it's an umbrella 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:47.600 that includes a bunch of university approved groups. 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:49.600 It's unbelievable. 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.880 You have now formed a Their message was, and this 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:58.359 is getting back to Mike, these people are Marxists. You 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:00.720 have now formed a branch of the resistance Front and 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:03.560 have begun an honorable struggle in the face of your 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:08.360 government's ruthless pressure, which openly supports Zionists. That people's conscience 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:10.840 has awakened on a global scale and truth is coming 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:13.800 to light. Besides you students from dozens of universities in 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:16.199 the US, there have also been uprisings in other countries, 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:18.679 among academics, in the general public, etcetera, etcetera. 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:24.720 She got that crowd with their weird views about this. 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:28.359 Then you got the crowd on the right. I just 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:31.919 saw Megan Kelly, who I normally see, as you know, 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:36.840 more reasonable than Tucker or Canvass or any of that crowd. 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:39.840 I just saw Megan Kelly said that those soldiers. And 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:42.800 if you've seen the pictures of the they released the 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:44.960 pictures in the names of at least four of them. 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.480 And it's just I don't know where died. Yeah, I 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:50.920 don't know why when you actually see the name and 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:53.680 their age, and you know he's a little league coach, 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:57.440 she's a mom all that. It's just so horrible. Anyway, 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:00.520 Megan Kelly said, they did not die for this country. 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:05.120 They died for Israel and Iran. Megan Kelly said. 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:08.240 That, Yeah, she's made a choice, She's made a calculated choice. 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:14.560 There's so much money in the paranoid crowd. So back 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:19.400 to our original crazy person about the Holocaust on Muslims. 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.360 Let's skip to clip twenty seven as she explains more 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:26.960 of what she and her friends, for instance, at Columbia believe. 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:31.760 Dicolo was slain in his duties. He was in his 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:38.160 office doing work, not hiding out in the open, working 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:41.320 for his people, and he was slain. He is now 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:44.560 a martyr. He is now a symbol of resistance and 0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:48.080 he will be seen that way. And this makes for 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:52.320 a new wave of racalized youth for the better. This 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:54.359 is good. I mean, it's not good that he died, 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:56.080 but he wanted to go that way. He wanted to 0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:58.640 go that way on his own terms. Is an honorable death. 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:02.880 Did you she go ahead? Should follow the news about 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:05.880 a month or so ago when he ordered the shooting 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:11.159 of thirty five thousand people, very similar to you. You 0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:12.160 follow that whole story. 0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:15.879 These people are fing crazy. I'd sat next clip Michael. 0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:19.520 It is just very confusing why people are celebrating his 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:22.679 death in a way that it reminds me of like 0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:26.520 people celebrating solnced death or like Lenin's death, where it's like, no, 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:30.439