1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: And you're here. Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: to Ghost Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained ends here. 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: They invite you to enjoy all our shows we have 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: on this network, and right now, let's start with Chase 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife with Santra Channaplain. 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: to Coast am employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 11 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi, 13 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 15 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: Each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know that 16 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: our loved ones have survived physical debt and so will we. 17 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Today on our show, 18 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: I want you to learn about doctor Paraceti coming to 19 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: us from Scotland. He is a medical doctor and he 20 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 2: has several books on a topic that you and I 21 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: are both interested in. His latest book is called Step 22 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: into the Light. Transform your Fear of Death by Learning 23 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 2: about Life after Life. And I've asked him to share 24 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: a little bit about himself. 25 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 3: Okay, very good. So I am your run of the 26 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 3: mill Western educated medical doctor. And then what happened is 27 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 3: that I got interested in international humanitarian assistance and I 28 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 3: wanted to work for the Red Cross. So I got 29 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 3: a master's degree in public health and for a number 30 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 3: of years I did in did work internationally with the 31 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 3: International Red Cross for many years, and then shortly for 32 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 3: the United Nations. And then I went on from the 33 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 3: field to the classroom and for seventeen years I taught 34 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 3: management of human Italian operations, that's public health and emergencies, 35 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 3: but brother than that, the overall management of human Italian 36 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 3: operations to graduate and doctoral students to three major universities 37 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 3: in Europe. And that's what I've been doing. My wife 38 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 3: one day, we were living in Geneva and Switzerland at 39 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 3: the time. One day we were having tea and she 40 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 3: told me an anecdote, a ghostly story that happened to her. 41 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 3: She's from Glasgow, herself, and I started by saying that 42 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: I'm a Western educated medical doctor, and with that I 43 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 3: imply that at the time this was happening in two 44 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 3: thousand and eight, at the time, I was in a 45 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 3: frame of mind that every thing that can possibly exist 46 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 3: is matter, and if you cannot touch it or measure it, 47 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 3: simply does not exist. And therefore mind fell. What's mind? 48 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 3: Mind is simply the product of the electrochemical activity of 49 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 3: the brain, isn't it. And by logical consequence, when that 50 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 3: activity stops, well, that's the end of it. That's the 51 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 3: end of us. That's the end of mind, and that's 52 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 3: the end of life. And that little anecdote set in 53 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: motion a process which lasted, I mean a long time, 54 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 3: many years, and that set me on a path of discovering, 55 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: of discovery, sorry, and a path of suffering as well, 56 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 3: because I was discussing this with somebody else recently, and 57 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 3: I say that it is indeed an arguous, difficult path, 58 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: because moving from that critical acceptance of materialism to the 59 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: position where I am now as not alignier process. It's 60 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 3: not that you read a book or you understand something 61 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 3: and you're done. No changing worldview is a going and 62 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 3: coming back process. One moment you're convinced, and the next 63 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 3: moment you say, bloody hell, but that's not possible. I mean, 64 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: I reckon to this day. I read about thirty thousand 65 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 3: pages of literature on the broader subject of psychical research, 66 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: and I'm a member of several professional scientific organizations dedicated 67 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: to the study of these subjects, and I went to 68 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: conferences study is even trained personally with Raymond Moody, who 69 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 3: I think many of your listeners will remember, is that 70 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 3: you know, twenty five million copy seller of Life After Life, 71 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: if the first one we've really come out or spoken 72 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: about near death experiences in the seventies. Eventually they convince 73 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 3: that we don't die. The evidence is there, the facts 74 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 3: are there. Anybody who has considered the whole lot of 75 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 3: the evidence can only draw one conclusion. In a way, 76 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: we do not understand human personality survives the death of 77 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 3: the physical body, even amongst scientists, so to speak, or 78 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 3: people of a scientific disposition. If you ask them off 79 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 3: the record, they will say that they do entertain this possibility. 80 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 3: But then when they have to make a pronouncement officially, 81 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 3: they retract and they have to protect their career. The 82 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 3: status and everything. They have to take the skeptical attitude, 83 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 3: which is sadly still fashionable. Now what today, I am 84 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:06,679 Speaker 3: convinced that a mind cannot is related to but more 85 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 3: than the electrochemical activity of the brain. Anybody's looked at 86 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 3: the parapsychology research and after life studies can only draw 87 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 3: that conclusion. Yes, there is a correlation, but it's more 88 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 3: than it's not dependent on mind, is not dependent on mind, 89 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 3: can exist independently from a function in physical brain. Facts 90 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 3: say that, there's not wishful thinking. Facts say that. And secondly, 91 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 3: as we just said, and perhaps this is an extension 92 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 3: of the first truth, is that we do survive physical death. 93 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 3: When I say do, I mean our mind, our personality, 94 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 3: our memories. As we just say that, our affections do 95 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 3: survive the demise of the physical body. And people often 96 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 3: ask me, where's the proof of that? And if we 97 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 3: had a superficial conversation, I could point you to a 98 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 3: number of elements of pieces of evidence which in themselves 99 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: are so strong, so undeniable, that they would constitute proof 100 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 3: in themselves. But if we're having a truly serious conversation, 101 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 3: if I were to defend this in a court, of justice. 102 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 3: For instance, I would present I would make the argument 103 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 3: that survival is supported. Let's say, a rational belief in 104 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: life after life is supported by the collective weight of 105 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 3: the evidence. There are, as I said, individual pieces which 106 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 3: are very very strong, but still when you consider the 107 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 3: collective way of the evidence, about a dozen field of 108 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 3: investigation after life, communication, reincarnation studies, near their studies, deathbed visions. 109 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: There's about a dozen, and they are coherent and consistent. 110 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 3: They all point to the same truth, the unbelievable truth 111 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: that we don't die, as Sandra says, So I'm not 112 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 3: convinced by one thing. I've not been convinced, as I 113 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 3: said before, in one flash of insight or understanding. For me, 114 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 3: it's the accumulation of information. I like to say that 115 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 3: rational belief life after life is supported by the knowledge 116 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 3: and critical evaluation of facts. People have to know and 117 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 3: engage their own reason in say, as I do in 118 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 3: twenty one Days, as I do in both the workbook 119 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 3: That You Have Love Knows No Death and the new 120 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 3: book Step into the Light. I engage the reader's reason 121 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 3: because that's the only way to really make that step 122 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 3: that transforms the pain of a loss and transforms the 123 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 3: fear of death. So let me take another moment of 124 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 3: your time and your listeners time to explain a little 125 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: bit where I come from. In my applied psychical research 126 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: or yes, applied after life studies stands. I have studied 127 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 3: cognitive behavior therapy, which is an evidence the evidence based 128 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 3: form of psychotherapy which is now the standard treatment, particularly 129 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: for depression and also for anxiety disorders. And the premise 130 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: of cognitive therapy is very simple. It's evidence based. So again, 131 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 3: it's not a theory, a fancy theory like psychoanalysis is 132 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: again facts, an evidence based The fact and evidence say 133 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 3: is that the way we feel depends entirely on the 134 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 3: way we think. If we have a stimulus, the stimulus 135 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: does not lead directly to an emotion. Before the emotion 136 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 3: is felt, you have to pass through an interpretation of 137 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 3: the stimulus. I give you very simple example. You're asleep 138 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 3: at night and you're walken up by a noise in 139 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 3: the adjacent room. That's the stimulus. It's the same as 140 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 3: a noise there're something crashing there. Your first thought is 141 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 3: a burglar. As I entered the apartment. What's your emotion, dear, 142 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 3: thank you? Your first thought is the cat has knocked 143 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 3: over the flower vase. What's your reaction? What's your emotion? 144 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: Could be upset, but I'll go back to sleep. 145 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 3: There you go. So the stimulus is the same, the 146 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 3: interpretation of the stimulus is different. The emotion that we 147 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 3: feel so strongly is completely different. So thoughts are fundamentally 148 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: important in determining our emotions and our well being. In 149 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 3: the case of bereavement, in the case of a pain 150 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 3: of a loss, I am fond again I use this expression. 151 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: I am fond of saying that there's a part of 152 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 3: the pain which is quite simply unavoidable, Sanchra. That is 153 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 3: who we are as human beings, and there's no pill, 154 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: there's no theory, there's no nothing that will take that away. 155 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 3: We are humans, were bound to have this, which is 156 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 3: possibly the most commonly shared experience. We'll lose somebody we love. 157 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 3: We're in pain. There's nothing to do. That part is incompressible, 158 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 3: it cannot be compressed. But there's another part of the 159 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 3: pain which is avoidable and unnecessary. 160 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 2: Doctor Parasiti, I think this is a good time for 161 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 2: the break, because I know you have a lot more 162 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 2: to say on this. My friends who want to check 163 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 2: out his website. You can find out more about doctor 164 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 2: Piero Kelvi Parasti at d Rparasti dot com, d R 165 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: p A r I s E t TI dot com. 166 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: So let's go to the break and then we'll be back. 167 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: You're listening to Aids of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio 168 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: in Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back 169 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we 170 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 2: are with doctor Piero Parasetti, who had a great example 171 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: about our thoughts control our emotions. And doctor Paracetti, you 172 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: were just talking about grief. The pain is unavoidable, but 173 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 2: that there is a part that is avoidable. Could you 174 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: pick up where you left off. 175 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 3: There's another part of the pain which is avoidable and unnecessary. 176 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 3: That part of the pain comes from a thought. And 177 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: the thought is my loved one has vanished. My loved 178 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 3: one has disappeared into a black nothingness. It existed and 179 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 3: now it doesn't exist anymore. Has a very painful thought. 180 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 3: It generates an unspeakable really I mean pain and suffering 181 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 3: and it is simply not true. So like in cognitive therapy, 182 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 3: cognitive therapy. It teaches you to recognize these automatic negative 183 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 3: thoughts that supports depression, and not to go all the 184 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 3: way to positive thinking. Yeah I'm the best, because that's fake. 185 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 3: That's equally fake. It simply rebalances and reformulate the thought 186 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 3: in a more realistic way. The same thing can be 187 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 3: done with thoughts about death. Right. So this is very 188 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 3: helpful for people who have lost a loved one. And 189 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 3: here I come to the latest book. I am surprised, 190 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 3: pleasantly surprised at myself, I must say, because I've researched 191 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 3: and written a whole book during lockdown. You say, Aha, 192 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 3: easy enough, you've got nothing else to do. True, I 193 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 3: make no mystery. I had a relatively major depressive episode, 194 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 3: very strongly linked with the limitations and the fact of being, 195 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 3: you know, the lockdown and all these things. And you know, 196 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: we've all suffered in our own ways, and my way 197 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 3: of suffering was through depression, out of which I'm very 198 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 3: glad to say I'm out. But I suffered quite a 199 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 3: bit despite that. Since I'm a good soldier, I managed 200 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: to research and write a whole book. Is a very 201 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 3: serious book, and it's directed specifically at those in fear 202 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 3: of death, their own death, or the death of a 203 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 3: loved one. And here again I want you and our friends, 204 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 3: our listeners to put ourselves in. A situation is possibly 205 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 3: one of the worst situations we can think. We don't 206 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 3: really want to think of that possibility. Let's say that 207 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 3: will never happen to us. But if you were to happen, 208 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 3: if we were to find ourselves with a terminal disease, 209 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 3: or at least the diagnosis of a terminal disease, that 210 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 3: is bad enough a situation, isn't it. There is like 211 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 3: for the believed person. There's a part of the suffering 212 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 3: of that situation, which unfortunately is not me. Is not 213 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 3: nothing will take that away. It's the discomfort in certain cases, unfortunately, 214 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 3: is the actual pain. Really is a difficult situation made worse, 215 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 3: unnecessarily worse by the fear by the terror of an 216 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 3: a highlation, the fear of ceasing to exist. I exist now, 217 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 3: and I will not exist anymore. I have experiences now. 218 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 3: This is really what we treasure. I have experiences now, 219 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 3: and then it will be a black curtain and I 220 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 3: will not experience anything anymore. Well, that thought is false. 221 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 3: That thought is not supported to evidence. And this is 222 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 3: a beautiful truth. So unfortunately I cannot do anything for 223 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 3: the pain and the suffering of going through you know, 224 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 3: the serious a fatal degenerative disease or a cancer or 225 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 3: whatever it is. But I can't do a lot to 226 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 3: take away that unnecessary pain. And what I do is 227 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 3: that I explain, can I go on a moment because 228 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm really ah. 229 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 2: As much time as you like. 230 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 3: You're so kind, I mean my elements because I'm passionate 231 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 3: about these things. These things are not only intellectually interesting, 232 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 3: and that's what attracts me. They have such a transformative 233 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 3: potential for people, and that's why I'm so enthusiastic. So 234 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 3: what I'm doing in step into the light is that 235 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 3: instead people okay, people are scared of dying, are scared 236 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,959 Speaker 3: of not have a fear of not existing anymore, which is, 237 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 3: you know, a primordial fear we all have. People are 238 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 3: also curious to know what dying is like and if 239 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 3: indeed there is an afterlife that in itself is a 240 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: great is a great reason for hope and optimism. But 241 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 3: what is that afterlife like? So in order to answer 242 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 3: those questions, one could have reviewed, I don't know the 243 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 3: religious and beliefs around the world and what they say 244 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 3: about the afterlife or some philosophical stances on what an 245 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 3: afterlife might be. Well, I thought of taking a much 246 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 3: more pragmatic approach. Let's ask those who've been there, and 247 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 3: my sources of information are essentially three, one specific to 248 00:19:55,280 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 3: the process of dying, and those are deathbed visions, an 249 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 3: end of life phenomenon. Then on what the afterlife may 250 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:12,479 Speaker 3: or actually does look like. We have two other major 251 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 3: sources of information, which are near death experiencers and those 252 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 3: who have actually died and communicated to us from the 253 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 3: other side, the spirit communicators. So the first part of 254 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 3: the book is devoted to establishing the credibility of these sources. 255 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 3: Is it reasonable to trust the testimony from dbv's death 256 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 3: bad visions and the is near death experiences and spirit communication? 257 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 3: And I engage the reader in what I describe as 258 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 3: a bit of a detective work, like you know, a 259 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 3: forensic like csiess because we look at what death bed 260 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 3: visions and other end of life phenomena are, we look 261 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 3: at all the alternative explanations for these beautiful, beautiful experiences 262 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 3: that many people have let me open. Apparenthesis here because 263 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 3: many people don't know. Mind you, if you ask nurses 264 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 3: or people working in hospices, they say, oh, of course, 265 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 3: we see this all the time. But then let me 266 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 3: share this nippet of evidence. We know that about ten 267 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 3: percent of people are conscious at the moment of their passing. Okay, 268 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 3: of those two thirds, I mean a massive two birds 269 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 3: have deathbed visions. They are seen, They were semi comatoes, 270 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 3: and they lost all the faculties and they were just 271 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 3: laying in bed and twelve twenty four thirty six hours 272 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 3: before actually passing, they seem to wake up. Their demeanor 273 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 3: changes completely, and they talk to people nobody else's is 274 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 3: not always somebody. Sometimes they are also seen, and those 275 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 3: are the shared death experiences. But let's stay with DBVs 276 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 3: and they say, oh, here's here's my mom, here's my 277 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 3: brother his I mean diseased relatives who are constantly said 278 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 3: to have come to take them over to facilitate the passing. 279 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 3: And there's this is much more complex than that. And 280 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 3: just you know, big paint brushes, right, So deathbed visions 281 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 3: and other end of life phenomena paint a very rosy 282 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 3: picture of the moment of passing. Can we believe that 283 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 3: or are we fooling ourselves. I don't want to be 284 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 3: taken for it, right, I mean, as much as I'm 285 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 3: happy to have this rational belief, and really, I mean 286 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 3: for me, is a terror to be, you know, to 287 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 3: believe something that's false. Well, let's look at it. Let's 288 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 3: look at the phenomenon. Let's look at what explanations have 289 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 3: been attempted or tentatively proposed, and we see that none 290 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 3: of the normal explanations can actually account for the clinical facts. 291 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 3: So we establish the credibility of dbbs. Then we do 292 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 3: the same for near death experiences. To quite some extent, 293 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 3: step into the light is not daytime television. I'm sorry 294 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 3: to say. I know that I'm cutting off a part 295 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 3: of the potential readership. Here is not an academic text, 296 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 3: but it requires some commitment. You have to engage with 297 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 3: the evidence. If you want to arrive at a beautiful 298 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 3: belief that can take away your fear of death, you 299 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 3: have to engage with the evidence. So you have to 300 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 3: understand that deathbed visions are credible, near death experiences are credible, 301 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 3: and it is reasonable to trust what spirit communicators tell us. 302 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 3: It is reasonable to believe that they are who or 303 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 3: what they claim to be. And I mean it takes 304 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 3: quite a few pages to get to the understanding. Once 305 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 3: or I have, let's we together. Once we've established me 306 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 3: and the reader the door sources of information are credible, 307 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 3: then the second part of the book looks at what 308 00:24:54,960 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 3: they actually say and what it was. Again, so interesting 309 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 3: from the personal, the human point of view and from 310 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 3: the intellectual point of view is to see that people 311 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 3: from totally different traditions, backgrounds, cultures, previous religious beliefs or 312 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 3: non beliefs, they essentially say the same things. 313 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: Doctor Parasiti. Let's go to a quick break and then 314 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 2: you can pick up where you left off. You're listening 315 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 2: to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast 316 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 2: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades 317 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 2: of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we are here 318 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 2: with doctor Piero Parasiti Arthur. Step into the light. Transform 319 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 2: your fear of death by learning about life after life. 320 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 3: Let's continue, people from totally different traditions, backgrounds, cultures, previous 321 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 3: religious beliefs or non beliefs, they essentially say the same things. 322 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 3: We know that from near death experiences, but it's amazing 323 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 3: to see the same thing coming from deathbed visions and 324 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 3: from spirit communication. And even more intriguing, many of the 325 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 3: things they say concerning the afterlife and what happens to 326 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 3: us are in direct contrasts to what is said by 327 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 3: established religions, and that, for me is a further element 328 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 3: that indicates that their real sources, because they are relating 329 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 3: not what you would expect their belief, they are relating 330 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 3: an actual experience. So that's what Step into the Light 331 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 3: is all about. 332 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 2: And in the big picture, after reading it and not 333 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 2: just reading it, but I think everyone has to go 334 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 2: on this journey for themselves. And it's great to believe 335 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 2: what other people say, but we need to experience it 336 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 2: for ourselves to really get it, to really embrace the truth. 337 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 2: But what do you see possible? I mean, it's not 338 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 2: only just not having a fear of death, that's possible. 339 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 2: What's possible with how people live life? 340 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 3: Shorry, what's possible to say? 341 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 2: How can people live life differently with having this information? 342 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 3: Live in if live in a meter off the ground, 343 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 3: if you got sorry, this came out of somewhere, But really, 344 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 3: when you realize that this all important life that we 345 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 3: think is the only way. People say, oh, life is 346 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 3: too short, and it's the only one we have, et cetera. Well, actually, not, 347 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 3: actually not, Life is much grander than we can possibly think. 348 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 3: And I mean, if really you spoke about the greatest 349 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 3: scheme of things here, I'm really thinking of the greatest, greatest, 350 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 3: greatest scheme of things. And I mean, and we do 351 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 3: draw that conclusion. Funnily enough, at the beginning and at 352 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 3: the end of the book. Life exists at various different 353 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 3: levels Earth or whatever material world we happen to be living, 354 00:28:55,360 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 3: and at certain stages is one of those levels. There 355 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 3: are other levels which we visit, apparently reportedly in a 356 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 3: cyclical fashion. It seems, it appears we can conclude all 357 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 3: these expressions. We can conclude that life is formed, or 358 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 3: consists of, rather a series of cycles, including an earthly 359 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 3: or otherwise material incarnation, followed by sojourns in various levels 360 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 3: of the spiritual realms. There's not one afterlife. There are many, 361 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 3: and there are often even in traditional spiritual traditions that 362 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 3: you know they speak about the seven heavens and everything. 363 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 3: There are concentric spheres if you want, or different levels, 364 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 3: the material level being the what I say, look, it 365 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 3: is low, but it's not judgmental. It happens to be 366 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 3: the more solid, the more material, and then you move 367 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 3: when when you shed the physical body, you move into 368 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 3: or through progressively more refined, more spiritual, less material planes 369 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 3: of existence. But it is always existence. It's the same 370 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 3: existence we are experiencing. Now. We exist in a non 371 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 3: material world, and then we do reincarnate. That's the only 372 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 3: conclusion we can draw from testimony and from evidence. And 373 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 3: this happens how many times. I don't know how many 374 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,719 Speaker 3: angels can dance on a pin head, I don't know, 375 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 3: but I would say many times. And we go through 376 00:30:54,400 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 3: the cycle of earthly incarnation and life in the different spheres, 377 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 3: so to speak, of the spirit world. But this is 378 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 3: not like we're not on the same level. This is 379 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 3: not a flat process. This is an upward process. I 380 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 3: see it as a spiral going up. Because the meaning, 381 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 3: the final, the quintessential, the fundamental meaning of existence is 382 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 3: making experiences, is experiencing the very fact of experiences. And 383 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 3: these experiences accumulate, they contribute to wisdom, to the age 384 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 3: of our personality, of our soul, to the point that 385 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 3: at some stage when we've accumulated enough experiences through many 386 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 3: of these cycles. Then when it's time to go back 387 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 3: and drinkernate, well not anymore. Then we do finally merge 388 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 3: into this unity fundamental consciousness. Call it God if you 389 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 3: want to be religious, if you want to call it 390 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 3: with a religious term, I'd rather call it cosmic consciousness 391 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 3: or the ultimate nature of reality. And here I speak personally. 392 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 3: I'm not speaking about evidence or facts anymore. That's my 393 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 3: personal convictions. After studying these things for many years, after yeah, 394 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 3: reflecting and thinking, I became convinced that the ultimate nature 395 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 3: of reality is not matter, is consciousness. Consciousness creates matter, 396 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 3: and not all the way around. I know this is difficult, 397 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 3: but I love it. That's what I believe with you, 398 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 3: and there are and there are very very, very very 399 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 3: strong arguments that can be made for that, okay. And 400 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 3: if that is true, that is perfectly consistent with what 401 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 3: we are told by our sources of information. And therefore, 402 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 3: at the end of these many cycles and processes and everything, 403 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 3: we go back into being what we've always been consciousness. 404 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 3: We were consciousness to begin with. We manifested in earthly 405 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 3: incarnations and unearthly incarnations the same we manifest on earth 406 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 3: as material beings and in the spirit world as non 407 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 3: material beings, but we still manifest as beings. And then 408 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 3: at the end of the process, like a wave that 409 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 3: has formed from the ocean and goes back in the ocean, 410 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 3: but it was ocean all the time, and we've been 411 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 3: consciousness awareness all the time. Or that's all. 412 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 2: It's very well said. And there's an author named Mike 413 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 2: Dooley who always says thoughts become things, so choose the 414 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,280 Speaker 2: good ones. So I want to just remind everyone who's 415 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 2: listening right now about what you said about when things 416 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 2: happen and they go through the mind. Someone had said 417 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 2: the mind can make a heaven out of hell or 418 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 2: hell out of heaven. And so with concepts like say 419 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 2: reincarnation or merging into greater consciousness, there can be fear 420 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 2: that comes up about, well, what's going to happen, And 421 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 2: there's arguments on both sides for reincarnation and different things. 422 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 2: And I always tell people go with what feels right. 423 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 2: You don't believe in perfect we're all on our own journeys, 424 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 2: but be careful of what the mind says. Because even 425 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 2: when I was a five year old child, I wasn't 426 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 2: thinking so far into the future as to what's life 427 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 2: going to be like now? And the same thing happens 428 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 2: to be afraid right now for what could happen in 429 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 2: a thousand years merging into the consciousness. We have to 430 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 2: trust that we have made it this far in life. 431 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 2: We've made it through grief, We've made it through obstacles 432 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,919 Speaker 2: and struggles and even the terrible things people have made 433 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 2: it through. But the bottom line is we made it through. 434 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 2: So we will still be us in the afterlife, and yes, 435 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,479 Speaker 2: we will continue, but we won't have this negative self talk. 436 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 3: This is addressed again. Sorry for coming back to the book, 437 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 3: because these are crucial questions that needs addressing, and these 438 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 3: are addressed specifically with very specific quotes that again in 439 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 3: a way which we do not begin to understand that 440 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 3: merging in a thousand or a billion whatever you know, 441 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 3: time apparently is a very earthly concept that doesn't apply 442 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 3: to other parts of our existence. But let's say in 443 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 3: this distant future, when we will apparently reportedly merge back 444 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 3: into consciousness, we will not lose our individuality. And this 445 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 3: is mysterious and marvelous. So even now we've taken care 446 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 3: of your death, fear of death tomorrow or you know 447 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 3: in thirty forty fifty years now, don't have the fear. 448 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 3: Don't replace that with the fear of marging back into consciousness, 449 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 3: because that's not that's not really granted you. We do 450 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 3: somehow retain our individuality even as part of this cosmic hall. 451 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 3: Let me take a last stop, if I may, on 452 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 3: why it's important to know what happens when we die 453 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 3: and afterwards. 454 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 2: Let me interrupt just for a second, because I think 455 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 2: this would be a good time to go to the 456 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 2: break and then you can come back with your last stab. 457 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 2: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio 458 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 2: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back 459 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 2: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlaine. We are 460 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 2: with doctor Piero Parisetti, author of Step into the Light, 461 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 2: Transform your Fear of Death by learning about life after 462 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 2: life and actor you were just about to say, why 463 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 2: it's so important that we believe in life after death? 464 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,240 Speaker 3: We have been repeatedly told and you know, the second 465 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 3: part of the book is essentially made up of quotes. 466 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 3: They are organized quotes and systematized and introduction and commentary 467 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 3: to the quotes. But these are quotes from the sources. 468 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 3: We establish the credibility of the sources, now we want 469 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 3: to use them. Okay. On this particular subject, there is 470 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 3: really an insistence on the part of our deceased friends 471 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 3: on the other side, that being prepared, knowing what's going 472 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 3: to happen to you once you shed your physical body 473 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 3: is essential to avoid a period of confusion and bewilderment, 474 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 3: which can actually be unpleasant. And some people experience when 475 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 3: either they suffer a sudden death they were not prepared 476 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 3: of for, or they have not thought about this, they 477 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 3: don't know what to expect, or maybe the expect not 478 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 3: to exist anymore. That makes the initial period of the 479 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 3: afterlife a possibly unpleasant experience. Remember the medieval Christian prayer 480 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,919 Speaker 3: quoted by the late Professor David Fontana Bless his soul, 481 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 3: one of my really intellectual heroes, and he reminded of 482 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 3: this prayer that says, God save me from a sudden death. 483 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 3: Why it's the sudden element that's important, because a sudden 484 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 3: death is a death for which we're not prepared and 485 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 3: may lead, as I say, to this moment of yeah, disorientation, bewilderment, 486 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 3: and possibly negative experiences, which is temporary because at the 487 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,760 Speaker 3: end of the day, we all naturally like a bubble, 488 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 3: like a bubble of air from the bottom of the ocean. 489 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 3: We naturally soore up our discarnate selves, naturally soar towards 490 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 3: higher dimensions. So that moment of disorientation and negativity is temporary. 491 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 3: But if you can avoid it, so much the better. 492 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 3: How to avoid it, be prepared, as the Scouts would say, 493 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,840 Speaker 3: be prepared by knowing what life after life. 494 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,800 Speaker 2: Is like, and our loved ones will be there the greatest. 495 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,919 Speaker 2: I have full faith in. 496 00:40:53,840 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 3: That, indeed, absolutely absolutely. Amongst the many fears about death 497 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 3: is the fact that people are scared of dying alone. 498 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 3: We never die alone. We always die even at the 499 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 3: moment of death, we're surrounded by loved ones. And if 500 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 3: we don't have I don't know anybody who doesn't have 501 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 3: any this is loved one. But if we happen not 502 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:27,320 Speaker 3: to have, we have spiritual beings and spirit guides who 503 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 3: come and greet you and help you transition in over 504 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 3: so we do not die alone. And that's the first 505 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 3: beautiful truth about death, apart from the fact that we 506 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 3: don't die. 507 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 2: Oh it's wonderful. And I think even probably for you 508 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,240 Speaker 2: and for me, there are times that we question everything 509 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 2: that we've done and learned. It's like, is this really happening? 510 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I think for our human being, this we're 511 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,840 Speaker 2: not meant to remember twenty four hours a day the 512 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 2: bigger picture, because I don't know if there would be 513 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 2: the value in life. We still need some struggles to 514 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 2: have successes, and there's so many things. But I and 515 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 2: probably you live a different kind of life because we 516 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 2: can't be caught up in our humanity too long, because 517 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 2: all it takes is sharing or even some of our 518 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 2: listeners might watch a video on YouTube and you think, oh, yeah, 519 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 2: that's right. It is a much bigger picture. So I 520 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 2: don't think we tend to buy into negativity as long. 521 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 2: I think we can be more powerful in life as 522 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 2: opposed to being a victim. We might say, okay, maybe 523 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 2: this is in my life and I've got something to 524 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 2: learn from my soul. 525 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 3: Also, I'm with you entirely, and I think that we 526 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,799 Speaker 3: owe it to ourselves to try to improve ourselves, and 527 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 3: that's you know, to avoid suffering if possible, and to 528 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 3: create in our material lives the conditions as possible to 529 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 3: be happy. But remember what I said a moment ago. 530 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 3: We come to this earth or to other material worlds 531 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 3: as well as we exist here, and we exist in 532 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 3: the spiritual realm for one reason to have experiences. And 533 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 3: there are certain experiences we are clearly told which are 534 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:35,840 Speaker 3: only possible in the material plane. Not all these experiences 535 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 3: are positive. Unfortunately, we were not made or born to 536 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:48,240 Speaker 3: be happy all the time. We have to serenely admit 537 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 3: that when we're having unpleasant experiences, we don't like it. 538 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 3: I really was not well six or eight or ten 539 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,320 Speaker 3: months ago, and I hated it, and I was trying 540 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 3: to squirm out of it. And like anybody would if 541 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 3: you have a short tooth, you don't like it and 542 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,399 Speaker 3: you do anything you can to try to come out 543 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:16,319 Speaker 3: of that. However, from the greater, the far away perspective, 544 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 3: we've taken a moment ago that is an experience, that 545 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 3: is part of what we came to this earth for 546 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,120 Speaker 3: having experiences. 547 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,960 Speaker 2: And I think, like many of us know, whether it's 548 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 2: a tooth or whether it's a loved one who dies. 549 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,320 Speaker 2: Once we've had that experience, we can make a difference 550 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 2: with someone else whether it's you can make it through this, 551 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,800 Speaker 2: you learn how strong you are. 552 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 553 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 2: I had a friend of mine who ended up making 554 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,280 Speaker 2: a lot of money, so much money that he bought 555 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,959 Speaker 2: all the best things, traveled around the world, shared free 556 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 2: with his friends, and he was miserable because being happy 557 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 2: all the time you aren't happy all the time. 558 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 3: You can't. 559 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 2: So he gave it up and he's living. I mean, 560 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 2: he still has money, but he's working. He's contributing to society, 561 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 2: and that's where the true riches are. 562 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,360 Speaker 3: It's a he is a better human being. Did I say. 563 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 3: I don't want to be judgmental, but you know, I. 564 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 2: Mean, yeah, I agree. Well, anything else you'd like to share, 565 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 2: we're coming up to the. 566 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 3: Top of the I think that we've discussed a lot 567 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 3: of things, and I enjoyed a lot. That was always 568 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 3: an outlet for my enthusiasm, and I really thank you 569 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 3: for providing that. And I think the listeners who have 570 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,600 Speaker 3: endured by the blather, as we say in Glasgow, you 571 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 3: may listeners will be baffled because they hear Italian undertones 572 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,800 Speaker 3: and and scottishandertones in my speaking. Yes, I'm a Tally, 573 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:05,760 Speaker 3: I'm a Glaswegian Italian. 574 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:07,920 Speaker 2: That's a beautiful thing. 575 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 3: You're a beautiful Oh, you're so. 576 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 2: Thank you, doctor Parisetti. And to our listeners, don't forget 577 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,200 Speaker 2: to check out his book, Step into the Light, Transform 578 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 2: your Fear of Death by learning about life after Life. 579 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 2: Also you can find out more on his website Doctor 580 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,520 Speaker 2: Parasetti dot com, d R P A R I S 581 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:38,680 Speaker 2: E T t I dot com. This has been an 582 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 2: incredible conversation and I'm just reminded by a show my 583 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:50,799 Speaker 2: mom and I watched earlier today. The actor Chris Hemsworth, 584 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 2: who plays Thor in the Disney movies. He's got a 585 00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 2: six part series called Limitless where he learns all about 586 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,880 Speaker 2: the human body, the mind, how to live a life 587 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,719 Speaker 2: with longevity. It's an amazing show, and he does all 588 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:16,360 Speaker 2: kinds of crazy things like swimming in ice cold water 589 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,400 Speaker 2: and dangling one hundred feet from a cable car and 590 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,840 Speaker 2: having to rope climb all the way up to the top, 591 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,320 Speaker 2: and so many things really pushing his limits, but also, 592 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 2: like I said, to learn about longevity. The very last 593 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:38,920 Speaker 2: episode is about aging in the end of life. So 594 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,000 Speaker 2: they put him in a suit that was designed by 595 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:49,839 Speaker 2: MIT Massachusetts Institute of Technology that he is this completely 596 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,319 Speaker 2: fit man, but this suit makes him feel like he's 597 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 2: in his mid eighties, so it really restricts his movements. 598 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,360 Speaker 2: He's got to wear glass is that make his vision blurry. 599 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,480 Speaker 2: They block out thirty percent of his hearing. He's wobbly. 600 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,440 Speaker 2: He just is in a body that feels like what 601 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 2: many people do when they're older. And as a result, 602 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 2: they put him in a retirement community. And the lesson 603 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,759 Speaker 2: is to learn to accept that we're all going to 604 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,680 Speaker 2: age and death is on the horizon for all of us, 605 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 2: and how we can really live life when we accept 606 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,200 Speaker 2: aging and we accept death. There is a woman at 607 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,279 Speaker 2: the end who does a meditation with him. She is 608 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,360 Speaker 2: a death doula or a death midwife. But there is 609 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,960 Speaker 2: something that just didn't sit right with me with her words, 610 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,240 Speaker 2: because she was talking about it being the end, being 611 00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:00,319 Speaker 2: the end of him, and I thought, great, show, what 612 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 2: if these death doulas talk people through like on the exhale, 613 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,919 Speaker 2: you will open your eyes and you'll be surrounded by 614 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 2: your loved ones and you may see a bright light 615 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 2: and things like that. So it just left me thinking, 616 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,479 Speaker 2: maybe there's something to record there so that we can 617 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:29,320 Speaker 2: lose that fear of dying and then have that powerful life. 618 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,640 Speaker 2: I want to thank you for listening today. 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