WEBVTT - Qatar's 'HBJ'

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here with Shaikhammad bin Jasam Altani, who was the

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<v Speaker 1>former Prime Minister and Foreign Minister of Qatar, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>in his home in Doha. Thank you very much for

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<v Speaker 1>having us here. Pleasure, David. So, for twenty years you

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<v Speaker 1>were the Foreign Minister of Qatar and for another six

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<v Speaker 1>plus years you were simultaneously the Prime minister. So is

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<v Speaker 1>it a pleasant situation where you don't have to worry

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<v Speaker 1>about all those problems anymore you're retired from those jobs

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<v Speaker 1>or did you love those jobs so much you wish

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<v Speaker 1>I had them again? What wish them again? No? First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, the formilities and history doesn't go back. And

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<v Speaker 1>the second things that I think every part of your

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<v Speaker 1>life has if you know how to use it, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>be excited in it. And I use my life from

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning when I was junior in the governments until

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<v Speaker 1>I become Minister and Municipality, Minister of Electricity, Minister of

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<v Speaker 1>Foreign Affair, Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister, Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 1>It took me a journey of thirty years of working

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<v Speaker 1>in the government, thirty two years actually, and for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I think and I believe that's more than enough. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe now I have a new chapter. I don't believe

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<v Speaker 1>in retirement, but I believe that every age, every time

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<v Speaker 1>of your life, there is something you can do, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can do it and add value in your life

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<v Speaker 1>and around you. So now you're spending a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time with your investment activities, which are quite extensive around

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<v Speaker 1>the world. I am doing that and I have my

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<v Speaker 1>own my father and my own charity which we are

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<v Speaker 1>also I'm involved in it and I'm pleased with it

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<v Speaker 1>and I build it since my father died, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's also for me is a very important part

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<v Speaker 1>of my function all my life daily, especially with all

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<v Speaker 1>the situation around us now in Syria and in Turkey,

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<v Speaker 1>and you see this tragedy in other places. So it

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<v Speaker 1>gives me pleasure to work in that and to do

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<v Speaker 1>with my team. And yes, I'm doing business all over

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<v Speaker 1>the world. And this is not only to do business,

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<v Speaker 1>but as I told you, to make to be a

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<v Speaker 1>fellow which you can add value for yourself and your family.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about when you were Prime Minister and

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<v Speaker 1>Foreign Minister. I should add you also the chairman of

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<v Speaker 1>the QIA, the Qatar Investment Authority, so that can keep

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<v Speaker 1>you pretty busy with all those jobs. As the head

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<v Speaker 1>of Qatar Investment Authority, you made some very large investments

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<v Speaker 1>for Qatar. One of them is a Herridge with department

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<v Speaker 1>store in London, the famous Shard building in London, investments

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<v Speaker 1>in Volkswagen and Barclays and other things. So those investments

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<v Speaker 1>seemed that I've worked out okay, But how did you

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<v Speaker 1>manage being the Foreign Minister, the Prime Minister and the

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<v Speaker 1>head of QIA at the same time. Doesn't that take

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time. I think it was tough for

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<v Speaker 1>me because I was working with no weekend, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was working sincerely more than what I should do. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's if it's a candle, it will be burned

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<v Speaker 1>by now completely. I even in my vacation, I was

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<v Speaker 1>working and meeting people. You know, me and I for long.

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<v Speaker 1>We meet in my holiday and we see each others

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<v Speaker 1>and we discuss business. It was tough, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>a challenge because at that time we started QIA with

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<v Speaker 1>no money literally, and we started with nothing, aiming that

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<v Speaker 1>the gas will give us a flow of money. So

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<v Speaker 1>we started with loans. Actually, most of this transaction being

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<v Speaker 1>done by loans from the banks, and thanks God, the

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<v Speaker 1>plan work. We get a good revenue from the oil

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<v Speaker 1>and gas. From the gas, actually oil, we have very

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<v Speaker 1>little oil, but that revenue all went to the investment authority.

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<v Speaker 1>As we talk today, it's been rumored in the press

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<v Speaker 1>that Qia is looking to buy a team, very famous

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<v Speaker 1>team in the English Soccer League Premier League, called Manchester United.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know whether that will happen. But are

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<v Speaker 1>you surprised the interest in the Middle East about the

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<v Speaker 1>English Premier Soccer League where there's so much interest. Many

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<v Speaker 1>countries here seem to have investors who own teams there.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you a big football fan yourself, David, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that I am not football fan, And we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this a few times and for me, I don't believe

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<v Speaker 1>or I don't like this investment. Maybe it work well,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know some of my son like this and

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<v Speaker 1>always discuss with me why we don't invest in these

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<v Speaker 1>things well, and then they about pushing hard. For me,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, this is not my step specialties. Let let

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<v Speaker 1>me put it like this. I am an investor. If

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<v Speaker 1>it will be one day as an investment good investment,

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<v Speaker 1>I will think about it. But if not, I will

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<v Speaker 1>not look at look at it as something just for

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<v Speaker 1>an advertisement. I'm not at that category. The World Cup

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<v Speaker 1>when I was here, was an investment by your country,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess attracting people here and millions of people

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<v Speaker 1>came was at in the end, I think a good

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<v Speaker 1>investment or not. Clearia, let me put it this way.

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<v Speaker 1>You know me, I am always frank. If it was

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<v Speaker 1>my choice, it will not be done. At that time

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<v Speaker 1>when I was in the government and Prime minister, and

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<v Speaker 1>this idea come by His Highness Damer father and his

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<v Speaker 1>Crown Prince. At that time, she had temim. They know

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<v Speaker 1>that time against that idea because I think there is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of money and effort will be spent. We

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<v Speaker 1>can spend it in something else and it will be

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<v Speaker 1>good for the people in the country. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>ask me now, I will tell you there was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of outcome, positive outcome out of this. Look at

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<v Speaker 1>the people which they visit cat and I know most

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<v Speaker 1>of them from the business communities and people which they

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<v Speaker 1>are active and all over the world. They came some

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<v Speaker 1>of them first time and they are coming again. They

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<v Speaker 1>are bringing their family. So start working that people saying

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<v Speaker 1>there is a place we did not see it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>good place, and the outcome of that tournament was positive

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<v Speaker 1>from different way. Good organized, well organized organized. Despite all

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<v Speaker 1>the noise negative noise last ten years which we hear

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<v Speaker 1>it about it, it come the outcome when we said

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<v Speaker 1>alcohol or the government decide no alcohol. We find people thinking, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's good, I can take my child, my girl can

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<v Speaker 1>go alone. Nobody can talk to her, nobody can you

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<v Speaker 1>know there was no when incident happened. Organization was excellent

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<v Speaker 1>and I think this is the first and the last

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<v Speaker 1>one where you can see the matches in the same

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<v Speaker 1>day and you don't miss any matches because how close

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<v Speaker 1>is it? And so it was unique for the outcome

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<v Speaker 1>was good for the country. Let's talk about your country

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<v Speaker 1>for a moment. The country is a very wealthy country,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the wealthiest country in the world per capita. Where

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<v Speaker 1>does the wealth of the country come from. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>wealth of the country, as you know, came from oil

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<v Speaker 1>and gas and mainly gas now and I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, we cannot say that we contribute in

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<v Speaker 1>it a lot. We contribute to take it out maybe

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<v Speaker 1>and doing the right decision with the right partner, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's I don't think that's an innovation. You know when

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<v Speaker 1>when you say you are how you get your wealth.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are a country without any resources and you

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<v Speaker 1>do well, like Switzerland, like Japan, these countries they have

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<v Speaker 1>no resources and right now they are their GDP is

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<v Speaker 1>high and they are doing very well. But for us,

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<v Speaker 1>the challenge will be, Okay, with all this wealth, what

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<v Speaker 1>you are going to do with this wealth, how you

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<v Speaker 1>can preserve it for the future, That's the challenge. So

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<v Speaker 1>when you were growing up, this was not extremely wealthy city,

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<v Speaker 1>no country. It was not wealthy city, definitely. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a moderate you know, at that time. If you compare

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<v Speaker 1>the ten countries rich country, it's very very strange. In

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<v Speaker 1>the fifties or the sixties, one of them is living

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<v Speaker 1>on an Egypt, not you, the American not us, and

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<v Speaker 1>that list right, and you see now how things change.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I first came here more than thirty years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>there was only one building that was more than four

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<v Speaker 1>or five stories as a hotel. Now through how it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like Manhattan. Accept it's more modern than Manhattan in

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<v Speaker 1>many ways. So it's a stunning example of what you

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<v Speaker 1>can do with the wealth if you deploy it appropriately.

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<v Speaker 1>But all these buildings, who was occupying these buildings. Are

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<v Speaker 1>these local people or these oil companies who's occupying all

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<v Speaker 1>the buildings and the residences? I see now, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you know it's same when you go to New

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<v Speaker 1>York and now you find oversupplying office and in commercial.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we have oversupply now in the market because

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<v Speaker 1>this was a good business for everybody. So everybody was

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<v Speaker 1>doing a building, either office or residential or retail, aiming

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<v Speaker 1>that it will be rented by one of the companies

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<v Speaker 1>or because there was and still there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>work right now. I think the people have to study

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<v Speaker 1>what is surplus. And I think we have surplus in

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<v Speaker 1>the offices and the retail, not maybe the residents the

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<v Speaker 1>residential part, but it is it need carefully for any

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<v Speaker 1>investors to make his own calculation. I think now we

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<v Speaker 1>are an oversupply and we have surplus, which the effects

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<v Speaker 1>start to be felt in the financial market. Now, when

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<v Speaker 1>you were Foreign Minister, you were sharing around the world

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<v Speaker 1>affair a bit, trying to solve a lot of problems,

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<v Speaker 1>and you did solve a number of them. One that

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<v Speaker 1>has not yet been resolved is the one you've worked

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<v Speaker 1>on a lot, the Palestinian issue. You have a very

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<v Speaker 1>close relationship with many of the Palestinian leaders. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>see any way in your lifetime or my lifetime there'll

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<v Speaker 1>be a resolution of that issue. My dream is to

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<v Speaker 1>see this solved and see that we live with the Israelis,

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<v Speaker 1>the Palestini lived with Israeli in a piece full country

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<v Speaker 1>because they are both of them. They are talented people,

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<v Speaker 1>the Palestinian and the jew They are talented people and

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<v Speaker 1>one day I told them a job. If they become

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<v Speaker 1>united or work together, we should be scared from them,

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<v Speaker 1>both of them in my opinion. But when that's need

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<v Speaker 1>a leadership in both sides would like to take a step.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a leadership in America to push them. We

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<v Speaker 1>need a leader facilitator. Have to be United States the

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<v Speaker 1>facilitator for that. And the Arabs very important to be

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<v Speaker 1>part of this. But it needs two leaders and they

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<v Speaker 1>are not there at the moment. From the Palestinian side

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<v Speaker 1>and from the Israeli side. We need another rabine from

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<v Speaker 1>the Israeli side, from the Palestinian side. Abu Mazen, now

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<v Speaker 1>he did what he did and Oslo on things. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to evaluate the guy. You know his friend

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<v Speaker 1>and I know him, but I think we need to

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<v Speaker 1>see a new leadership which have commitment from the Palestinian side.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe to solve the problem to do Abraham

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<v Speaker 1>things or I think this is an and a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of I'm sorry to say this world, I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is childish because we are talking about normalization. We have

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<v Speaker 1>no problem with the Israelis to normalize the situation we have.

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<v Speaker 1>We talk with Israelis daily. When I was in my office,

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<v Speaker 1>there was having office here, even when we shut the office,

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<v Speaker 1>we was talking to them, from the intelligence to the

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<v Speaker 1>foreign ministers to the Prime minister. And we can talk

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<v Speaker 1>to them. But to do kind of build a new

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<v Speaker 1>idea with no vision or no target peace target, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean unreal, not just to talk. It's too early to

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<v Speaker 1>do all this unless you have planned what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Because what I'm worried that within ten years, if there

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<v Speaker 1>is nothing happened, then maybe before that we find ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>in another anti father in the Palestinian side, and we

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<v Speaker 1>will find the Arabs here in the street saying what

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<v Speaker 1>you are doing as a government. So the Abraham Accords

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<v Speaker 1>have not been signed by Katari yet, or maybe they won't.

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<v Speaker 1>You see, that's not likely because as you say it's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to solve the problems that you think are important,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe our government sign it one day. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not part of the governments, but in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is tell me what we'll gain from

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<v Speaker 1>this the relationship we have relationship. Everybody have relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>the Israelis. All these countries which they did the Abraham

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<v Speaker 1>they have a relations with Israel. We don't need that.

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<v Speaker 1>We need all of us to talk to the Israeli

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<v Speaker 1>and tell them, look, we will do normalized business, will

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<v Speaker 1>do embassies, will do like in the Arab Plan, which

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<v Speaker 1>King Abdalla said, even better than that. But let us

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<v Speaker 1>sit and try to find a solution in the ground. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>many people in the West were surprised when there was

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<v Speaker 1>a dispute between Saudi Arabia and UAE and Qatar a

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<v Speaker 1>few years ago. It's now resolved. The essence of that

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<v Speaker 1>dispute was never that clear to people. But you think

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<v Speaker 1>that's now way behind the countries and that it's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to come back again. It is way behind. Come

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<v Speaker 1>back or not come back, I don't know, but I

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<v Speaker 1>wish not. But I think everybody learned is part of

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<v Speaker 1>that conflicts. Everybody will learn and learn where is the

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<v Speaker 1>red line for each country. We know they know our

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<v Speaker 1>red line, we know their red line. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's important to know what is good now that there

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<v Speaker 1>is a good momentum, and I want this momentum to

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<v Speaker 1>be reflected in the GCC. The GCC is dead since

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<v Speaker 1>twelve thirteen even when we are when I was a

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<v Speaker 1>foreign minister, the GCC was dead last twelve thirteen years.

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<v Speaker 1>We only use the GCC when there is Christ military

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<v Speaker 1>Christ or we need to take a decision. You ask

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<v Speaker 1>us to take a decision in the region and need

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the name of the GCC. I want

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<v Speaker 1>the GCC to be more affected in the life of

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<v Speaker 1>the people so they feel that they have benefit from

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<v Speaker 1>this unity between the GCC. GCC is still it's not there.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you worried about Iran? Many countries in the Arab

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<v Speaker 1>world are worried about Iran. But Iran was somewhat fable

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<v Speaker 1>to you when you had your dispute with Saudi Arabia.

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<v Speaker 1>So is Iran not as big a concern for you

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<v Speaker 1>as it is for Saudi Arabia. The first fear for

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<v Speaker 1>me is not Iran. The first fear is us in

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<v Speaker 1>the region the way how we behave I'm in the leader,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not one of them. I think if we can

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<v Speaker 1>control our happiness and our frustration and when we are angry,

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<v Speaker 1>to put it as a statement in a box and say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we work. We have some difference with X country or that,

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<v Speaker 1>but this different have to be discussed in a civilized way.

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<v Speaker 1>And also to look, okay, if we have challenges, and

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<v Speaker 1>if we agree Iran is our first enemy, how we

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<v Speaker 1>can deal with this matter? Are we going to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with it through direct negotiation? Through war? Which is nobody

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<v Speaker 1>wants war because that's not in our benefit. The problem

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<v Speaker 1>that this decision is not with us because we are

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<v Speaker 1>not in the position at the moment because of what

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<v Speaker 1>I said about the JCCY to take that leadership for

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<v Speaker 1>our region and say, okay, we have problem with Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>we sit with them and discussed details frankly and reach

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<v Speaker 1>a solution. Because I believe we should live in the

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<v Speaker 1>Gulf Area in a harmony between Iran, Iraq and the

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<v Speaker 1>GCC countries. If we can do that, I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is a big achievement, not only for the peace, for

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<v Speaker 1>the trade, for the business, for the economy of that

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<v Speaker 1>all of this. They have over one hundred million people,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Iraq have like forty million people. We have

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<v Speaker 1>like fifty million people. You know, you are talking about

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred, two hundred and fifteen million people, rich country

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<v Speaker 1>with oil. When you were Foreign minister for twenty years

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<v Speaker 1>or so, you dealt with a lot of great leaders

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<v Speaker 1>I assume around the world where they're one or two

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<v Speaker 1>years were really memorable to you. You said, this person

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<v Speaker 1>really is an extraordinary leader. And I really learned a

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<v Speaker 1>lot from that person. There is many leaders I met

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<v Speaker 1>in my life, from Japan, China till the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>I see all of them, and I saw the head

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<v Speaker 1>of state of all of them. But to have a

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<v Speaker 1>person's there is a few guys which I met and

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<v Speaker 1>either you are impressed by how they are clever or

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<v Speaker 1>how they can manage. And I want to put it

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<v Speaker 1>in a manage position, and I think one of them

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<v Speaker 1>is King fat so he can manage the situation internally

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<v Speaker 1>and externally in a way. Good. Do I agree with

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<v Speaker 1>all his policy? No, he doesn't also agree with all

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<v Speaker 1>our policy. That's but I think he's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>leader and the leader which I respect or for his

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<v Speaker 1>country or what he's doing in term of far Fat,

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<v Speaker 1>and how he handled the situation with Israeli. That all

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<v Speaker 1>almost it's like a movie. It needs a big not

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<v Speaker 1>a series of movies. How he dealt with every problem

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<v Speaker 1>with the Israelians, because I was part of you know

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<v Speaker 1>of that with him, and how he you know, maneuver

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<v Speaker 1>through the things. I don't agree with all what he do,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was doing it. King of Morocco, King Hassan

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<v Speaker 1>is also a guy which I respect a lot as

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<v Speaker 1>a leader in the Arab world. So in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>you met with a number of presidents. Let's say, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess President Clinton, George Bush the Father until the last,

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<v Speaker 1>until I know Biden, and I know even Triumph, So

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<v Speaker 1>I know all of them. Didn't you ever have a

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<v Speaker 1>hard time getting a she or US president or I

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<v Speaker 1>think when you were in you were saying I'm coming over. Depends.

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<v Speaker 1>It depends. Sometimes if they are upset from us, it

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<v Speaker 1>is hard. And sometimes if they are not upset from us, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I see them in the White House, and that's always

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<v Speaker 1>it happens. When Al Jazeira is part of the problem,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say. The best relation we have at

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<v Speaker 1>that time with the President Clinton, and he's a great guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a great guy. How he can manage the situation.

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<v Speaker 1>When you were foreign minister and prime minister sometimes would

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<v Speaker 1>come to talk to you about investment matters, and I

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<v Speaker 1>would see other well known investment people coming over. Before

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<v Speaker 1>before I am, before I'm a prime minister, and before

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<v Speaker 1>I was for the investment we was doing private you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as as a private client. I was with you. You're right, so,

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<v Speaker 1>but how did you juggle? You have? You have a

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<v Speaker 1>prime minister coming to see you, a foreign minister, an

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<v Speaker 1>investment person. You have to change your brain for all

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<v Speaker 1>these different people coming in. It was your more have

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<v Speaker 1>been working seven days a week to do all that.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, it was not. It was tough, but I

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<v Speaker 1>was used to work for long hours, so it was not.

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<v Speaker 1>In the end the last two years I felt inside

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<v Speaker 1>deep me that I hit the job. I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to leave. And this is maybe I see it lately

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<v Speaker 1>in some programs that I was suggesting to the Emir

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<v Speaker 1>two years before we left together, that I want to

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<v Speaker 1>do you and the emiror both retirement more or less

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. Exactly. Very often it's hard to give

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<v Speaker 1>up power voluntarily. People lose elections, but here they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have elections, So you were voluntarily decided to step back

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<v Speaker 1>from that position with the emir? Was it hard to

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<v Speaker 1>give up that much power? And you're happier now than

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<v Speaker 1>you were then? I am happier, definitely. And if this

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<v Speaker 1>is sincere, if somebody go and take me back, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to do what I was doing. It's done,

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<v Speaker 1>It's enough. I did what I did right wrong. I

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<v Speaker 1>did it at that time. I think I did more

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<v Speaker 1>right things than wrong things. But also I did things

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<v Speaker 1>in space of time, very short time. I did a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of things achievement, I think, which I'm happy for me.

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<v Speaker 1>The world now so slow right and decision that I

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<v Speaker 1>will not be part I cannot see myself to go

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<v Speaker 1>and do that, all right. If somebody is watching and

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<v Speaker 1>they say I don't know much about Gatar, what would

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<v Speaker 1>you say? You would want people to know about your country?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think our culture is something need to be seen.

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<v Speaker 1>People what they know about us? They know about oil

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<v Speaker 1>and gas please rich people, or they know about our camel.

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<v Speaker 1>We are proud about our camel, and we are also

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<v Speaker 1>happy about the gas. But they have to see the

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<v Speaker 1>other this guy, which he owned the camel and own

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<v Speaker 1>the oil and gas? Is he capable? Is he did

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<v Speaker 1>well with what he have? And that's the proof you

0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:13.600
<v Speaker 1>can see it in front of you. You consider an

0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:18.080
<v Speaker 1>incredible career in business, investments, diplomacy. What would you like

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<v Speaker 1>to see your legacy by or is your legacy going

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<v Speaker 1>to be your children? First? I want to be seen

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<v Speaker 1>as a human being, Katie human. I am proud about

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<v Speaker 1>this country, about my country more than what anybody think.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm so attached even I'm traveling a lot now,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm attached to this thing. So I'm proud that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Katie. Second things, one of my legacy is my charity,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm building it very rapidly. That's something I need

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<v Speaker 1>to leave it for my children. The third things, I

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<v Speaker 1>need my children to work together and that's very difficult

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<v Speaker 1>and I need to set an example for the families

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<v Speaker 1>in Katar and other agents how the children, despite their

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<v Speaker 1>different education, different ideas, how they can work together as

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<v Speaker 1>one unity. That's a big challenge for me. Thanks for

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