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Speaker 1: in his home in Doha. Thank you very much for

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Speaker 1: having us here. Pleasure, David. So, for twenty years you

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Speaker 1: it a pleasant situation where you don't have to worry

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Speaker 1: or did you love those jobs so much you wish

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Speaker 1: I had them again? What wish them again? No? First

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Speaker 1: of all, the formilities and history doesn't go back. And

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Speaker 1: the second things that I think every part of your

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Speaker 1: the beginning when I was junior in the governments until

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Speaker 1: I become Minister and Municipality, Minister of Electricity, Minister of

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Speaker 1: It took me a journey of thirty years of working

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Speaker 1: I think and I believe that's more than enough. I

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Speaker 1: you can do it and add value in your life

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Speaker 1: and around you. So now you're spending a lot of

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about when you were Prime Minister and

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Speaker 1: you pretty busy with all those jobs. As the head

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Speaker 1: seemed that I've worked out okay, But how did you

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Speaker 1: by now completely. I even in my vacation, I was

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Speaker 1: As we talk today, it's been rumored in the press

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Speaker 1: So I don't know whether that will happen. But are

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Speaker 1: Are you a big football fan yourself, David, you know

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Speaker 1: was good for the country. Let's talk about your country

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Speaker 1: the challenge will be, Okay, with all this wealth, what

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Speaker 1: when you were growing up, this was not extremely wealthy city,

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Speaker 1: And when I first came here more than thirty years ago,

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Speaker 1: But all these buildings, who was occupying these buildings. Are

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Speaker 1: We talk with Israelis daily. When I was in my office,

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Speaker 1: you are doing as a government. So the Abraham Accords

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