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Speaker 1: podcast about dying from September nine, two. Uh. It is

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Speaker 1: My Stuff You Should Know. Select pick for the week

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Speaker 1: How Dying Works. This is a tough one, but necessary

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Speaker 1: and this may be as much or more so than

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Speaker 1: any other show we've ever done. We got a lot

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Speaker 1: of feedback on on just understanding the process of dying

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Speaker 1: literally physiologically. Has helped so many people over the years,

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Speaker 1: over the past five or six years, when their own

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Speaker 1: wrong word, but I hope you learned something today with

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Speaker 1: How Dying Works. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a

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Speaker 1: production of My Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles w

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Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant, How you do It? Hey, and Jerry's over there.

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Speaker 1: Jerry for the first time, just saw a meme that's

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Speaker 1: been out for a couple of years. Yeah, that's that happened.

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Speaker 1: That's like when you rec rolled me like two years

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Speaker 1: I was lying in Wait, yeah, I thought that happened. So,

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Speaker 1: And there's nothing more obnoxious than sending someone something and

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Speaker 1: be like sold it two years ago. Well, I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: I tried to show you something funny, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, Jerry just saw the do we even say

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Speaker 1: happened to her. Well, we didn't laugh. We very solemnly

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Speaker 1: I've got one for you. I've got a bit of

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Speaker 1: up all right. Um? Have you ever heard of the

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Speaker 1: Population Reference Bureau? No? You have, big because I've mentioned

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Speaker 1: it before. I've mentioned this this article before. It's on

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Speaker 1: and maybe the population episode or something. But it's a

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Speaker 1: he was going with. But hobb Um he reckons that

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Speaker 1: Really um showed up about fifty thou years ago. So

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Speaker 1: a Charles Man. You thinking of the great psychologist Ernest Becker.

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Speaker 1: the Becker Now, Ernest, Ernest, Ernest, you're thinking of Max Ernest. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Ernest Becker um wrote the Denial of Death seminal work

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Speaker 1: the body. Your cells are gonna die exactly, um, And

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00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,719
Speaker 1: so as the cells die at different speeds, different systems

424
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: are going to shut down. But just from watching frail

425
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: people die of old age, um, they kind of have

426
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: like this, the the order in which it happens kind

427
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: of downpad. So there's the UM, there's the pre active

428
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: dying phase, which can take about three weeks, starts about

429
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: three weeks before death, two or three weeks. And then

430
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: there's the active dying phase, which can take a few days.

431
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: And obviously that's not set in stone. None of this

432
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: is set in stone, but this is all just um

433
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 1: kind of cumulative knowledge from observations of people dying in

434
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: like hospice and things like that. So you've got the

435
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: pre active phase of dying UM, and like I said,

436
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: it starts a couple of weeks ahead of the actual

437
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: death because we have this is a big deal right now,

438
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 1: what we're talking about, Like it's becoming very clear, um,

439
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: in our modern age, that death is not an instant,

440
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: it's not a moment. There's a process. Yeah, well unless

441
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: it isn't an instant. But yeah, old age die, yes,

442
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: or like other kinds of dying. But how about non

443
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,239
Speaker 1: accidental dying. Okay, we'll call it that, because that's like

444
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: the instantaneous thing, right, and even sometimes in a very

445
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: short scale that can follow some of these you know,

446
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I forgot it's audio, yes, nodding my head.

447
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: So the preactive phase of dying, Chuck, what do we got? Well, Um,

448
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna start sleep, You're gonna get sleepy, You're not

449
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: gonna have much energy. You're gonna start sleeping more and more. Uh,

450
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: your skin might become cooler to the touch, might turn

451
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: a little bluish gray. Yeah, cyanosis. So what that's called

452
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: I was with us, it's just becoming oxygen deprived. Like

453
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,959
Speaker 1: apparently your body's like, Okay, don't really need to use

454
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: the legs anymore because we're bedridden. So I'm gonna start

455
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: focusing more of the circulation on the inner organs. That

456
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, well that probably causes the modeling too,

457
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: which is, uh, your your skin can become sort of

458
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: reddish like splotchy, with reddish blue splotches as well. Right,

459
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna, um, you're gonna be a little restless probably, Yeah,

460
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna possibly come off as confused. Um, You're you're

461
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: not gonna be hungry. No, you're gonna probably withdraw from um,

462
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: social activities. You're gonna become a little a little withdrawn. Um.

463
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: You might wanna settle unfinished business with family. You might

464
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: request family come visit you for that kind of thing.

465
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: Oh sure, the non physical parts. That's definitely something you'd

466
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: be interested in doing. Right, But that's like, um, apparently

467
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: something that that people intuitively know like they need to.

468
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: Apparently patients know when they're dying. I've seen that happen.

469
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: And one of the one of the signs from UM

470
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: that's mentioned in hospice care palliative care UM is that

471
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: the patient may even state I'm dying, like I started,

472
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: it's coming. That's pretty common. Um. Yeah, and that's sad

473
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: that when you realize like, all right, this is this

474
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: is it, Like I feel myself, I'm gonna be gone soon.

475
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: But that's neat though, especially if you yeah, if you're like, okay,

476
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put everything in order then die happy or peacefully. Yeah,

477
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: that's neat that you have that that time to to

478
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: take care of that. Yeah, if you're fortunate enough to

479
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: go that way for sure. Back to physically, UM, you

480
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: you won't be able to heal from a wound or

481
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 1: and infection any longer. Yeah, you might um lose control

482
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: of your bladder and your bowels over the course of

483
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: some time. Um, you might be in pain, but chances

484
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 1: are here in the modern world they're gonna take care

485
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: of you in that respect, right. And again that's called

486
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: palliative care, where at some point it's very obvious that

487
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: you're going to die, um, and a lot of it

488
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: can be based on what you want, even even um,

489
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: without your wishes. There's probably a point in time where

490
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: medical science says, there's nothing we can do for you. Um,

491
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: we just want to make you comfortable, exactly, so we're

492
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: gonna give you pain meds. We're gonna like your your

493
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: care is being transferred over from a physician to who's

494
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: you know, wants to save your life and keep you

495
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: going to hospice workers, health care professionals who are trained

496
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: to just keep you as comfortable as possible for the

497
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: for the duration of your life. Right, Man, hats off

498
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: to those people. Yeah, like all health care professionals, of course,

499
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 1: but man, hospice nurses as tough stuff. You've got to be, like,

500
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 1: you've got to be made of the right qualities as

501
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: a human to be able to tackle something like that

502
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: and still get up and go to work every day

503
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: like they're literally in the business of dying. I mean,

504
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: very valuable, valuable service people provide. So that's the Um,

505
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: that's the preactive phase. That's the I'm getting ready to die.

506
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: I got a couple of weeks and all of my

507
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: systems are starting to wind down. In the active phase,

508
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: the systems are starting to shut down. Um, you may

509
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: not have consciousness, and if you do, you may. Uh.

510
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: If you are able to be aroused from conscious from unconsciousness,

511
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna slip right back into it again. Possibly. Um,

512
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: you are probably and apparently families find this very disconcerting.

513
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: You're probably going to talk about people who are dead

514
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: as if they're in the room or you can see

515
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: them or hear them. Yeah, it's just just the mind slipping.

516
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: They don't know. Um. Hospice workers, from what I can tell,

517
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: tend to just treat it like it's real, treated on

518
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: its own terms. They're not saying it's real or it's

519
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: a hallucination or something like that, And they advise families

520
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: not to treat it like a hallucination, just to not

521
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: to correct them. Yeah, that makes sense, because you're there

522
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: to provide comfort, not say no, Grandpa, grandma has been

523
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: gone for years. Exactly why would you want to do that.

524
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: There is an exception to that. You would want to

525
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: do that if they're fearful from their visions, then you

526
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: can say that's it's not real. It's just you your brain,

527
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: that's not real or whatever. Again, all about comfort, yes,

528
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: but you don't want to contradict them if they're happy

529
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: or even saying it in a neutral tone. It's only

530
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: if they're they're fearful that you want to say that.

531
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: But apparently families are kind of like, oh god, they're

532
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: gone crazy, you know. But it's a it's a natural

533
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: part of the active dying process. Breathings can to become

534
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: really weird. Um, the patient's gonna stop breathing for disconcertingly

535
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: long periods of time. Yeah, that's just called Cheney strokes

536
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: respiration stokes sorry, Cheney Stokes name for John Cheney and

537
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: William Stokes obviously the first dudes who described it. Let's

538
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: get all the press quick. Deep breaths, sometimes very slow ones,

539
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: like you said, sometimes stopping altogether. Uh, And that is

540
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: caused by receptors in the heart and brain stem basically

541
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: being too sluggish to respond two different amounts of oxygen

542
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: and CEO two, and it's just kind of lagging behind. Again,

543
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: think of it as a machine that's just slowing down

544
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: and those receptors can't pick up on it in times,

545
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: so it's it doesn't know how to tell you to

546
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: breathe basically like at a steady rate. Um, we should

547
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: say that there isn't evidence that that is physically painful again,

548
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: like awful for the healthy person in the room. Yeah, yeah,

549
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: for the family watching it, you think that the person

550
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: is suffering. There's not evidence that they are in fact suffering,

551
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: but it seems like it. And that from what I

552
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: understand with palliative care, UM, not only making the patient

553
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: comfortable is one of the priorities. Making the family comfortable

554
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: as a priority as well, because how you die has

555
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: a very lasting impact on the people who are there

556
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: to witness your death for family, so UM, explaining that

557
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: they're not suffering, uh is helpful, but not necessarily enough. Yeah.

558
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: And I think actually this podcast itself could help like

559
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: some people, because I don't think a lot of people

560
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: do this sort of research. When they go into a

561
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: hospital room in the last hours of a loved one's life. Yeah,

562
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: and they may not be told. They may even if

563
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: it is explained to it might not sink in what

564
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: they're being told because you know, seeing somebody gasping for

565
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: breath and then being told that they're not really suffering,

566
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: those two things might not jibe. Well, yeah, you're you're

567
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: instinct that's probably trying to help. Yeah, Like they can't

568
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: breathe clearly, let's get a nurse in here. And the

569
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: nurse is like, no, that's that's that's part of it. Yeah.

570
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: Another one that's very disconcerting. Another sign of active dying

571
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: is the death rattle. And uh, I did a I

572
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: guess it. Don't be dumb on death rattles. And basically

573
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: either you have fluid in the lungs or like you know,

574
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: when you clear your throat like I just did. That's

575
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: a normal ability you have until you start dying. You

576
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: can't clear your throat anymore. Those are your laryngeal muscles, right,

577
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: basically spasm NG what clearing your throat? No, the death rattle. No,

578
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: the death rattle is just breathing through the mire. It's

579
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: both it's it's either liquid or it's the muscle spasms. Yeah, Okay,

580
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: so did you find that that's painful, because I found

581
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: that it's it doesn't cause pain, it's just it sounds

582
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: terrible again to the people in the room exactly. And

583
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: this is uh, I don't think we pointed out this

584
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: is the egonal phase of death and it's Greek for

585
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: struggle and agony. Yeah, that's sort of just encapsulates it.

586
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: I think that's probably why they call it the active

587
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: phase of death now rather than agonal. Oh do they

588
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: don't even call it that anymore. I mean, I think

589
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: some people do, but I think the active and agonol

590
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: are the same one and the same. It's just you know,

591
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: they're in the agony phase, right or they're in the

592
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: active phase. Uh. Your muscles, aside from your vocal cords,

593
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: um might start convulsive and spasm ng. Um. You can

594
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: get all you know, herky jerky and two things that

595
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't seem like you should be able to do in

596
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: your state, like um, card tricks. I don't know if

597
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: you could do cards shuffling card tricks from one hand

598
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: to the other, and Grandpa never could. Before I knew

599
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: we could get some humor in here somehow. Um what else? Uh, well,

600
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: let's see, your blood pressure is gonna up, your jaw

601
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: is gonna drop, you might end up in a really

602
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: weird rigid position. Um and uh you're I think we

603
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: said your extremities are going to be cold to the touch. Yeah. Actually,

604
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: the the death rattle as a result of the spasming

605
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 1: of your laryngeal muscles that can also produce um. What

606
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: was described in what I read as a barking sound.

607
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, And I've never I didn't search that

608
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: out to see if that was recorded anywhere, but I'm

609
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: curious what that sounds like. I've heard everything from gurgling

610
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: like gurgle to it sounds like there's marbles in your throat. Uh, barking.

611
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: That's a new one. But it makes I think everybody

612
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: has their own signature death rattle, you know. But they

613
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: rule of thumb, apparently among hospice workers is once the

614
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: death rattle comes, it's a sign that they got about

615
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: forty eight hours or less left to live. Yeah, and

616
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: all of these are tells, really, and all of them.

617
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about what happens after the body is

618
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: dead too, and that helps finding out, you know, in forensics,

619
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: I think we put it out plenty of times at

620
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: the time of death, depending on the various things that happen,

621
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, when they find you. But all all of

622
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: these are almost like like markers on a clock. Yeah,

623
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: and if you're in hospice care, you know these things

624
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: like oh this is this means this? Well, there there

625
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: are signs and symptoms of the system shut down that

626
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: the person's body is going through, you know. Yeah. So, Um,

627
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: the senses apparently also are lost in a healthy person

628
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: or a person who has all five senses. Um, they're

629
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: lost in a certain order, and touch and hearing are

630
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: the last to go. And another that's kind of nice.

631
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: Another very important point that hospice workers make is never

632
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: ever talk about the patient like they're not there, because

633
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: they can hear you up until the end. Like hearing

634
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: is kept so long as the person could hear before

635
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: then there's not any damage from you know, during the

636
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: act dying period. Um, they can hear you until the

637
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: moment they die, and you need to be careful what

638
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: you say. Yeah, and I think that's a really nice

639
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: thing that the last things that you can experience are

640
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: the touch of a loved one or the voice of

641
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: a loved one. Needs to see him. You may not

642
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: even be able to respond to that, but you can

643
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 1: still hear that's true. I would definitely pick that over sight.

644
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: I'd rather hear someone's words as I pass rather than

645
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: having silence and just seeing their faces staring at me,

646
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: so long as the words aren't. Wait, one more thing,

647
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: I think it would be almost cruel to be able

648
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: to see and not here at the end. You know,

649
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: like he wants to see your family upset. You want

650
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: to hear feel them hold your hand and say everything's

651
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: gonna be right. So you so you raise a good

652
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: issue like there's if you have a dying family member,

653
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: especially if they're dying a frailty or they're just dying,

654
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: like they're in the dying process, so they're about to

655
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: enter the dying process. Um, you could do worse things

656
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: than to go online and educate yourself on how to

657
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 1: be around them. I think people don't intuitively know how

658
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: to be around a dying person, and there's certain things

659
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: that you should do, certain things you shouldn't do, like,

660
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: for example, um, they say that you should talk to

661
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: the person, not the condition, So don't treat them like

662
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: they're frail or dying, like treat them like they're your

663
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: old friend who they are. Um, it's extremely important to

664
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: make sure that they're in a peaceful, calm environment. Um. So,

665
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: like maybe yelling at somebody over the will is a

666
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: really bad idea. They seem like no brainers. But I

667
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: guess some people need to be told this stuff. Yeah,

668
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: but I mean think about it, like it can put

669
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: you on edge being around a dying person, like do

670
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: you mention the fact that they're gonna die or do

671
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: you you know? I mean like do you dance around

672
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: it if they make a joke or something like can

673
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: you laugh or do you laugh too hard? Do you

674
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: not laugh enough? Like there's I think it's not necessarily

675
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: like yeah, I think it's it's just put you on edge.

676
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: Not everyone is as sensitive to So you're going to

677
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: add one. Don't bring your laptop in there and watch

678
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: reruns of the Office. No, yeah, are you speaking from experience?

679
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: I'm just going to add that. Okay, that's all my list. Okay,

680
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: get off your cell phone. Yeah, pay attention to them. Sure, yeah,

681
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: I mean that's what you're there for. That, as hospice

682
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: workers put it, you're giving them a very heartfelt gift

683
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: by being there with them while they're dying and maybe

684
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: receiving a gift, you know, and many religions and cultures,

685
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: it's very uh much an honor to be a part

686
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: of this whole thing. And even if you're not religious,

687
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: that you could just feel that way spiritually is a

688
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: human you know. Okay, uh, well, let's pause here because Chuck,

689
00:40:47,239 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: it's time for a message break and we're back. Okay,

690
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: So are we dead yet? Are we at that point? Yeah?

691
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: The the person has passed. It just sounded very cheery.

692
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well, I mean like we've rattled off

693
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: some pretty what seems like suffering, but now the suffering

694
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: is over. If there was any other person is dead.

695
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: So once you immediately immediately after you die, your pupils

696
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: are going to dilate because the muscles controlling the iris

697
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: or you know, gonna have their final rest. So your

698
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: pupils are going to dilate. And then have you heard

699
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: of the terminal tier or the lachrima mortis? No, this

700
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: is a usually in the right eye, and there's no

701
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: real explanation for it, but um, it is a final

702
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: tier that you shed. Wow, And um it doesn't always

703
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: happen right after you die, although it can. They did

704
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: a study in the early nineties in New Zealand and

705
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: out of a hundred deaths, fourteen of them right at

706
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: the time of death had the lacrymamortists here and uh

707
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: thirteen of them in the final ten hours. And they

708
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: say uh to to look out for that if you're

709
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: the family, because it can be a sign. And also

710
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: they try to talk you into the fact that it's

711
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: a comforting thing to see that tier being shed. Yeah.

712
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: And since we're on eyes, you know the old thing

713
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: where you close someone's eyes after they die, Oh yeah,

714
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: or you put silver dollars on if it's it's the

715
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: old West. Um. I guess people do that too. So

716
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: you're not having someone a dead body staring at you, right,

717
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: because if they're looking dead forward, straight forward there like

718
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: following you all through out there. Yeah, and it's definitely

719
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,959
Speaker 1: a movie trope. But if you don't close the eyes.

720
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: And I never knew this um something called t a

721
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: c h E. Noir. I don't know if it's tash

722
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: or taste more as a black a dark reddish brown

723
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: strip that forms horizontally over your eyeball. And I guess

724
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: it's just you know, your eyeballs dry out and has

725
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: the air. So if you don't close your eyes, and

726
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: I looked it up, you're gonna see this weird horizontal

727
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: stripe across your eye. There's a plus the effect that

728
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: has in the living, the difference between seeing a dead

729
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: body with their eyes closed and a dead body with

730
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: their eyes open, And it's just it's like a galaxy

731
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: between the two as far as discomfort goes. Yeah, somebody

732
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: should edit together the like every time that's ever been

733
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: done in a movie. Yeah, there like super fast alright,

734
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: So that's all I got on the eyes. Um, so Chuck,

735
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: I want to alarm you right now. Boy, you have

736
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: living in your guts right now, the very organisms that

737
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: are going to decompose your body when you die, they're

738
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: just sitting around waiting, waiting for action, waiting for the

739
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: signal yep um. When you die, there's a lot of

740
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: stuff that's still alive, that's still going on even though

741
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: your brain dead, whole brain, higher, brain, heart dead, your

742
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: heart stopped dead. That's another definition of death. I don't

743
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: know if we mentioned heart. Your heart is not beating anymore.

744
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: You're dead, yes, Um, there's no bringing you back. You've

745
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: been in your heart hasn't your brain hasn't had oxygen

746
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: for a while. You died of hypothermia, uh, and they

747
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: warmed you up. So now you're officially dead. You're gone, right,

748
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 1: But there's still a lot of stuff. Remember the Poop

749
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: Shake episode we can forget, we talked about the microbio

750
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: and we have this whole other, like part of our

751
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: life are living organism that's still around, that's still operating,

752
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: and a lot of stuff living within us, including part

753
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: of our microbiome. They're still carrying on processes like apparently

754
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: you can harvest skin cells for twenty four hours and

755
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: and there's still alive. Just use them, yeah, for all

756
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: sorts of stuff. Yeah, you can harvest them. And then

757
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: of course inside your intestines there's a little tiny organisms

758
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: that are still living and are gonna help do the

759
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: work that comes next, starting a couple of days after death.

760
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: Like if you just fell over in the woods and

761
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: no one was around. I always loved the setting, right, um,

762
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 1: and you're just left there. Within about three days, these

763
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: organisms of micro flora is going to go to work

764
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: on you, starting in your intestines. Yeah, and this is

765
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: after the various mortises correct, Yes, which I guess we

766
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: should kind of go over it. But I would recommend everybody,

767
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: um go listen to what causes rigor mortis? Yeah, for sure,

768
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: it's on the website. You can go to stuff you

769
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: should know dot com, slash podcasts, uh slash what hyphen

770
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: causes hyphen rigor hyphen mortis. Um, we'll just run through

771
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: the mortis is real quick. Then um, algor mortis, or

772
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 1: the death chill, that's the first first thing that's gonna happen.

773
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: That's where your body starts dropping in temperature about a

774
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: degree and a half fahrenheit per hour, until you are

775
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: just like a nice red wine at room temperature. Yeah,

776
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: actually that's not quite true. Red wines like sixty four

777
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: degrees from you. I guess it dep into what kind

778
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: of room you're in. Yeah, if you're in a sixty

779
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: four degree it's perfect, all right. What else? Well, after

780
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: alger mortis, um, you get rigor mortis a couple of

781
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: hours after death where the body um settles into a

782
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: stiff state. Uh. And that lasts for what like twenty

783
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: four hours? I don't remember. We talked about it. Uh yeah, yeah,

784
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: I think so. Um, And then between those you have

785
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: live remortis or subdulation. That's where like all the blood

786
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: coagulates at the Yeah, basically that your red blood cells

787
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: are pretty heavy and they just sink and Um it's

788
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: about twenty minutes to three hours after death is when

789
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: you're going to be in live remortis, and then after

790
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: that is rigor. That's right, Okay, so not back to

791
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: putrification right, Well, that's the best thing to talk about. Yeah,

792
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: that's that's basically like cure. These organisms going to work

793
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: breaking down your body, and they do it pretty quick. Um.

794
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: The pancreas apparently has so many in there that it

795
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: just itself eats itself. The pancreas consumes itself. It's pretty efficient. Um,

796
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: your other organs are gonna eventually eventually be consumed in

797
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: turned into liquid. You're liquefied from the inside out. Yeah,

798
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna turn colors in this order green than purple,

799
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: than black, which is just like a like a black eye,

800
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, in that the same stage. Yeah, except

801
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: it never fully heals explodes. Um you uh, within a

802
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, you're going to be liquid inside. Uh.

803
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: The organisms that are eating you produce a gas as

804
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: a byproduct from their consumption. So you're going to be bloated.

805
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: Your tongue is going to stick out, it's gonna turn

806
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: dark to your tongue. Yeah, and that gas really stinks.

807
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: Your eyes are going to protrude. Yeah. Um. There's something

808
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: called purge fluid that is a putrid, reddish brown fluid

809
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: that can be expelled through just everywhere you've got an opening. Right,

810
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: you can come out of your mouth, your nose, your vagina. Uh,

811
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: it can be mixed with feces and come out of

812
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: your rectum. Another. Um, there's something else I can come

813
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: out of your vagina too. Yeah, this is maybe the

814
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: worst thing I've ever heard. I just I had no idea. Yeah,

815
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: I had no idea. You know, I know all about

816
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: death and all that, and it's like interests me. I

817
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: had never heard of this before. I don't even want

818
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: to talk about it. You don't either. Maybe we should

819
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: type it into the computer and make the computer say it.

820
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: Do we have that ability? Oh wow, that's pretty good, Chuck.

821
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: That's a good computer impression. So wait, that's what you

822
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: do when you don't want to say something yourself. You

823
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: pretend you're a computer. Yeah, that Emily and I. Most

824
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: of our fights are like that. Really, Yeah, it's pretty cute.

825
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: I go into a war games mode. What was it again, computer? Uh?

826
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: Cof coffin birth. So basically those gases that, um, this

827
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: is a real thing. We're not making this up. Yeah,

828
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: but post mortal fetal extrusion is another name for it.

829
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: So the gases that build up in the body before

830
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: the body ruptures um, which comes a little later, can

831
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: become so pressurized that a pregnant woman who has died

832
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: with the fet is still in utero can actually the

833
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 1: gases can push the fetus out of the vagina um,

834
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: which is coffin birth. Yeah. And this doesn't happen much anymore, thankfully,

835
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: because we take care of dead bodies pretty quickly. Um.

836
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: Although they did find evidence of it in a case

837
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: in two thousand eight where this woman was found like

838
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: in the woods, but um, it was described a lot

839
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: in like six to eighteenth century medical literature. Oh you know,

840
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: it just drove them crazy. To she was obviously alive

841
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: for weeks afterward. Yeah, And archaeologist apparently to or are

842
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: have to rethink sometimes when they find because sometimes you

843
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: would die during childbirth. But the um they would buried

844
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: the the baby with the mother, and so you would

845
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: find the bones like cradling each other almost. But then

846
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: they go back, they've had to go back and look

847
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: at somewhere they find the you know, between the legs,

848
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: the bones of the baby, and they think that might

849
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: be the case, like of a coffin birth. So there's

850
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: the worst thing in the world. Yeah, Um, there's probably

851
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: death metal band with that name. If there's not, there

852
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: is now. Um. So the gases ultimately, eventually, once they start,

853
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: once they really get down to business, and they're no

854
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: longer just what's the call where they're the fluids coming

855
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: out a little orifices here, they're purge fluid. Okay. So

856
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: once it's like enough with the purge fluid, the we're

857
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: just gonna tear the sucker open. Your body ultimately ruptures. Yeah,

858
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: and this is you know, your skin is already blistered

859
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: at this point. Um, your hair, nails, and teeth have

860
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: fallen out. They don't keep growing. No, it's your skin

861
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: receding from drawing out from desiccating. So pass that around

862
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: in school kids. When someone says that your fingernails keep

863
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: going after death, you set him straight. Tell him Josh saying,

864
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: oh god, I just realized there's kids listening to this. Yeah. Um.

865
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: And then the old d gloving, which we've talked about before.

866
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forgot about that, remember that? Yeah? Where

867
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: the that can happen to you? If you drive at

868
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: ten and two and you have an air bag, the

869
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: gases that expand the air bag out of your steering

870
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: wheel are very hot. And if you're not driving at

871
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: nine and three and you have your hands at like

872
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: ten and two or something like, you're going to be

873
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: de gloved alive. Yeah, but your skin is just burned

874
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: right off your hands, or it's burned and separated and

875
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: then eventually comes off. So ten and two is not

876
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: how you should drive it on. Really, That's what I've learned. Yeah.

877
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: I drive it either just a straight up six o'clock

878
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: with one hand or a nooner, just a straight up

879
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: noon nude. I rarely have two hands on the wheel.

880
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: You don't drive with like your knees, with your hands

881
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: behind your head relaxing occasionally if i'm you know, relaxing, Yeah,

882
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: we're playing the guitar or something. Yeah, de gloving is

883
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: I know we talked about this in the probably rigor mortis.

884
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: But that's when your body farms. Maybe yeah, that's when

885
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: basically your skin is removed, still attached to things like

886
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: fingernails and things like that. And it's they call it

887
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: de gloving for a reason. I don't think we need

888
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: to explain it makes perfect sense. Or de socking sometimes,

889
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, can happen to your feet. And I hadn't

890
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: heard of that one. Did you just make that up? Well,

891
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: they said gloves or socks if it's your feet, But

892
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: I did make up the socking. Well, I don't have

893
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: to use that from now on. That might be a

894
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: new thing. Um. So the body once it, once it ruptures,

895
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: your organs are already liquid um and all that's left

896
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: is a skeleton, which will eventually turn to dust too.

897
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: Can we be done? No, wait, we can't be done,

898
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: because we do need to talk a little bit about

899
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: UM assisted suicide. Yeah, I just eat that up for you.

900
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: You should. Um, that's quite a controversial subject, like we said, um,

901
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if I said or not, Like this

902
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: has just been such a huge whirlwind of input of

903
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: information in my head in the last like thirty six

904
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: hours studying for this UM that I don't know what

905
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: I've said yet or not, or what we talked about

906
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: in another podcast, but so we talked about dying of

907
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: frailty of old age and that it's increasing. Supposedly five

908
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: out of ten people in the United States will die

909
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: in the intensive care unit. And I saw this Ted

910
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: talk from Newcastle, Australia with this guy I can't remember

911
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: what his name is, but it's it's about dying. I

912
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: think it's called it can we talk about dying or something,

913
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: And his point was, you're going to die in the

914
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: I see you, whether you want to or not, if

915
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: you die of a degenera, nrative disease or frailty, unless

916
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: you say you don't want to die there, because the

917
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: way medical science is currently set up, you are going

918
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: to be treated most of the time up until a

919
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: bitter end with life saving measures, and you're going to

920
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 1: die in the i c U with tubes hooked up

921
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: and things beeping, and like other people having crash carts

922
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: taken in and out of their room and people making

923
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: a big rucus up until the point you die, unless

924
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: they give you palliative care or or you say I

925
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: don't want to be sustained like that. I don't want

926
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: to go to the i c U. And this point was,

927
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: if half of Americans are going to die in the

928
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: i c U, you have to assume that maybe not

929
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: all of them would want to die in the i

930
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: c U. And therefore they need to think of things

931
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: like I wanted an advanced directive, a living will, I

932
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: want a living power of attorney to somebody to say no, no,

933
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: do not put them on a ventilator, do not put

934
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: them on feeding tubes. Like they don't want that. They

935
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: just want to die, or they want to go to hospice.

936
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: They want to go back home. That's another big one,

937
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: like they don't let you go back home, especially if

938
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: you can't speak for yourself. Like to medical science these days,

939
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: that's crazy. You don't leave the hospital when you know

940
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: you're dying. You stay in the hospital and and we

941
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: keep doing stuff until you die. That's not the way

942
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: it jobs with a lot of people. But if you

943
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: don't stop and think about it and then write it

944
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: down or tell somebody who can speak for you, that's

945
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: you're not going to go home, you're not going to

946
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: get to hospice. You have to do this ahead of time.

947
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: And part of that that's kind of come out of

948
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: this idea is okay, Well, if we have autonomy to

949
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: say I don't want you to intibate me, why don't

950
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: we have the autonomy to say, I want you to

951
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: give me some stuff that's going to painlessly end by life,

952
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: because it's either that or facing a tremendous amount of

953
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: pain and suffering through this degenerative disease. Basically saying I'm Eddie,

954
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: I am ready, it is my life. It's like the

955
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: Richard Dryfist movie from the eighties. Uh, covertis whose life

956
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: is anyway? I think I have no idea what you're

957
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, I think so. It was a movie

958
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: about assisted suicide and do you should you have the

959
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: right to be able to You know, it's a hot

960
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: button issue for sure, but apparently most Americans or the

961
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,439
Speaker 1: majority of Americans actually support it until you start using

962
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: a word like suicide. Right when you pull them and

963
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 1: say do you are you in favor of doctors helping

964
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: someone painlessly in their life or something at the end

965
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: of life? They yeah, And then they're like, okay, so

966
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: you're in favorite physician assisted suicide? No? No, no, h um,

967
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: what's that word? You know? And and the doctors who

968
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: are in favor of youuthan Asia is another term for it. Um, say,

969
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: look at palliative care, it's like half of a step

970
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: away from physician assisted suicide. Like you're keeping somebody if

971
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: they requested and knockdown on morphine of the rest of

972
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: their life so they're never gonna regain consciousness. Um. There's

973
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: this you you dug up this one article by a

974
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: British physician who argues that, um, that agonal um gasping reflex. Apparently,

975
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: when part of the apnea is that your body has

976
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: a reflex where you gasp for air and it's really

977
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: disconcerting to family members. Even though they don't think that

978
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: you're suffering, it looks like you're suffering. And this doctor argued, well,

979
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: we have drugs that can block this response so that

980
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: the person can't gasp for air, and what it's going

981
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: to cost them their last couple of breaths. But these

982
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: last couple of breaths make it appear like they're suffering,

983
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: and the family remembers that their kids suffered. Um, so

984
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: why wouldn't we do that? And there's this conversation that's

985
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: taking place more and more and more that ultimately it's

986
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: kind of like, who is somebody to say that somebody

987
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: can't choose to end their own life painlessly through the

988
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: use of like drugs or like Hunter Thompson didn't. Well,

989
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: I mean that's another way to go, and you anybody

990
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: can do that, sure, but there are some people out

991
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: there who don't want to die violently. They want for

992
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: their family. Like that's the part that I was upset

993
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: about with that was his wife, like finding him and stuff. Yeah,

994
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: his wife and his son. And it was like, not

995
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: only that he did it in his own basement, which

996
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: I can understand doing it at home, but he left

997
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: quite a mess in his own basement for his family

998
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: to clean up. But if he had other options these days,

999
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: like doctor assisted suicide, he might not have had to

1000
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: make a mess in his basement for his families. Yeah,

1001
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 1: and chuck, uh, we know that Hunter Thompson is far

1002
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: from the only person to make his own exit his

1003
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: own way. Another very famous person, uh, Sigmund Freud did too.

1004
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: Huh oh yeah, yeah, you know that assisted suicide. Yeah, literally,

1005
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: physician assisted suicide. He was um diagnosed with cancer of

1006
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: the palette because he smoked tons of cigars, which were

1007
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: some times just a cigar and uh. For sixteen years

1008
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: he lived with that diagnosis and finally, towards the end,

1009
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: he asked his surgeon, his physician, go ahead and hit

1010
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: me up with I think five grams of morphine, like

1011
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: just a ton of morphine. And he died three hours

1012
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: after the injection of it, but which was more than

1013
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: his usual two grams of morphine right or cocaine he

1014
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: loved cocaine um, but he had um developed what was

1015
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: called todden angst totin angst as German, which is a

1016
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: dread of death. So and so he lived with that

1017
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: for sixteen years. But he finally he decided along the way,

1018
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: like I fear this, but I'm going to take it

1019
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: into my own hands. Physician assisted suicide. And there's definitely

1020
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: more than one side to this coin. There's a lot

1021
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: of people. There's very strong opinions on either side. But

1022
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: I think it's a at the very least, even if

1023
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: you remove a motion from it's an extremely interesting conversation

1024
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: and that it reveals so much about our attitudes toward

1025
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: death total and autonomy, and like who's who has the

1026
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: right to decide whether they're going to die or who

1027
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: has the right to tell somebody that they can't do that.

1028
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: Whose life is it anyway, Richard Dreyfuss, Uh, and then

1029
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: chuck one. One other thing that we want to hit

1030
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: on is um regret. Yeah. I actually saw this a

1031
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, just by chance, and then you sent

1032
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: it to me. Um. I think it was in England

1033
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: hospice nurse spent a lot of time researching life regrets

1034
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: over the course of a certain amount of time and

1035
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: came up with the five most common life regrets. And uh,

1036
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: I think this is like a good way to end it,

1037
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: you know. Number one, I wish I had the courage

1038
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: to live a life true to myself and not the

1039
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: life others expected of me. That was the number one regret.

1040
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: Number two was I wish I didn't work so hard.

1041
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: That doesn't surprise me at all. Number three I wish

1042
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: I had the courage to express my feelings. Number four

1043
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: I wish I had stayed in touch with my friends.

1044
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: It's very sad. Had one and I wish I'd let

1045
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: myself be happier. There's number five. Yeah, like that. She

1046
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: was saying that they didn't realize towards until the end

1047
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: of their life that happiness is a choice that you make.

1048
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: It's not something that happens to you. It's something you

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Speaker 1: go search out. It's a state of mind that you

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Speaker 1: strive for and to figure that out like at the

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Speaker 1: end that that's a regret. Yeah, so call to action people, Yeah, really,

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Speaker 1: like you think about the stuff. You don't have to

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Speaker 1: wish these things on your deathbed if you start doing

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Speaker 1: something about it. Now, dying, Chuck, you know what we

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Speaker 1: might have just done. We might have just finished the

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Speaker 1: death of the Death Suite. I bet there's something else. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: only time can tell. But I don't know how much

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Speaker 1: more aspects of death we can cover. And I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what. I'm gonna put all of them together in

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Speaker 1: a blog post the Death Suite, so everybody can go

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Speaker 1: listen to all things death via stuff you should know.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, if you want to look up more

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Speaker 1: about dying, just type dying into the search bar. How

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Speaker 1: stuff works. I think it has its own channel. Um,

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Speaker 1: there's so much to it. Uh. And since I said

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Speaker 1: search bar, it's time for a listener mail. This is

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Speaker 1: a nice one. Um. We don't normally do shout outs,

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Speaker 1: but this was a nice one, and I thought, what

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Speaker 1: better way to end such a depressing show. Uh. Hey guys,

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Speaker 1: and Jerry loved the podcast. Josh, I have to thank

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Speaker 1: you for teaching my fiance, Danny and me about the

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Speaker 1: flashlight trick to see spiderizer. Yeah. I still haven't done it, man,

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Speaker 1: I never think about it at night. Jerry, you said

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Speaker 1: you tried it right and it worked. Yeah, okay, I

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Speaker 1: need to do it. I need to set a reminder.

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Speaker 1: And my my response to people who have been like,

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Speaker 1: can you can you explain it again? Practice That's my explanation.

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Speaker 1: Just practice, Just try it from a different angle. Just practice.

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Speaker 1: It's a real thing. It's not a trick. It is

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Speaker 1: completely amazing. And this is from Peache by the way. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And it's wonderful and frightening at the same time. But

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Speaker 1: the problem now is that whenever we walk our dogs

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Speaker 1: at night, I just can't have my normal fiance. I

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Speaker 1: have this dude with the flashlight stuck to his forehead

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Speaker 1: stopping at every field to let me know just how

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Speaker 1: many spiders are dogs are stepping on and how we

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Speaker 1: are always surrounded. Thanks for the show, and now for

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Speaker 1: a shameless request. I know you don't often give shout outs,

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Speaker 1: but it would be the most amazing thing ever, if

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Speaker 1: you could give a shout out to Danny on the

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Speaker 1: podcast The Airs sometime before our wedding on oct let

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Speaker 1: him know that I love him more than anything, and

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Speaker 1: then I'm excited to share my life with him, even

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Speaker 1: if he does have a flashlight stuff to his forehead,

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Speaker 1: with the rest of our lives walking our dogs together.

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Speaker 1: I know this is totally blown away. And I would

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Speaker 1: even let him listen to that podcast first. So thanks

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Speaker 1: to Jerry. Thanks guys. That is from Peachy in Thousand Oaks, California.

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Speaker 1: I think Peachy just expressed it very nicely. Yeah, so Danny, Peachy, congratulations, Uh,

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Speaker 1: best of luck, best witches from us. I told her

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Speaker 1: listen up for it on that Dying podcast and he

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Speaker 1: thought that was kind of funny, and it's like great, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Danny, um, maybe put down with five slight once

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Speaker 1: in a while, yeah, wife, Uh and Peg, don't use

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Speaker 1: the word fiance so much. Okay, that's a life lesson

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Speaker 1: from Chuck right there. No would likes to hear that. Um.

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Speaker 1: If you want to see if you can talk Chuck

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Speaker 1: into a shout out, take your best shot. You can

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Speaker 1: tweet to us at s y S k podcast. You

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Speaker 1: can talk to him directly on Facebook dot com slash

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Speaker 1: Stuff Podcast at how stuff Works dot com and you

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