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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. So what kind of training did you have

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Speaker 1: to undertake to become an exorcist? Well, let me tell

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Speaker 1: you how I became an exorcist. But I think I

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Speaker 1: find interesting, you know, as you said, I'm a licensed psychologist.

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Speaker 1: So about fifteen years ago, the cardinal called me and

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Speaker 1: said someone's requesting an exorcism and would like you, as

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Speaker 1: a psychologist to evaluate the person. So I said, fine,

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Speaker 1: so I evaluate the person. I said, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: not a psychological problem. I think you need an exorcist.

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Speaker 1: So the cardinal said okay. He asked three different priests

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Speaker 1: to do it, and none of them would and I said, well,

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Speaker 1: well give it to me. I said, I'll do. I said,

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Speaker 1: how hard can it be? That's kind of dominant naive,

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Speaker 1: but nonetheless that's how I started. And you basically the

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Speaker 1: best way is to learn from a senior exorcist, you know,

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Speaker 1: on the job training, where someone who has been doing

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Speaker 1: it for years, and a wise old priest to training,

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Speaker 1: which I had when I was very fortunate. There are

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Speaker 1: programs now, one in Chicago, one in Rome, and actually

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Speaker 1: we at our center and DC train exorcists too, so

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Speaker 1: there are places to go. But primarily in addition to this,

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Speaker 1: with a bookwork, you're training under a senior exorcist. Of

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Speaker 1: all the people that you have trained in the exorcists

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Speaker 1: you've performed, is there's something you have learned that you

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Speaker 1: didn't know when you started. Well, it reinforces the truths

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Speaker 1: of faith. One of the most important things I tell people,

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Speaker 1: because even new exercist they get frightened. They say, oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, what's going to happen to me? And am

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Speaker 1: I going to be protected? I said, yeah, you'll be protected. Mostly.

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Speaker 1: For example, in the midst of exorcism, it's not uncommon

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Speaker 1: that the person will manifest and just lunge at me

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Speaker 1: and throw the rhymes. I don't want to strangle me,

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Speaker 1: but they stop about six inches from my face, like

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Speaker 1: there's a wall there, which there is is a spiritual wall.

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Speaker 1: They can't strangle me. But I say that the most

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Speaker 1: important thing to learn is a trust in Jesus. I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, people, it's interesting people get frightened by Satan

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Speaker 1: because they have a kind of a dualistic notion of

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Speaker 1: the universe, like there's God and there's Satan. And they're

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Speaker 1: both equal. Nonsense, there is one God. Satan is a

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Speaker 1: creature and he can only do what God allows him

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Speaker 1: to do, so he's a chained beast. So don't you

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Speaker 1: don't be a frightened of Satan. You just trust in

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Speaker 1: the Lord, trust in Jesus and you'll you'll sleep just fine.

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Speaker 1: Are there other priests with you in the Exorcist setting

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Speaker 1: when it starts? Yes, we have two other priests who

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Speaker 1: work pretty much, you know, one works full time and

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Speaker 1: one part time. And then we have a whole group

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Speaker 1: of priests who are doing a lot of deliverance work

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Speaker 1: of cases. They're not fully possessed. So but yeah, we

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Speaker 1: work in teams. We don't work by ourselves. We have

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Speaker 1: another priest present, and we have a group of lay

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Speaker 1: people who are prayer warriors conspiratual directors restrain the person

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Speaker 1: if needed for their safety. So the lady are an

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Speaker 1: important part of our team. If you're Woodmont Senior kind

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Speaker 1: of described the scene to us when you walk into

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Speaker 1: the room, is it a bedroom as the person in

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Speaker 1: the bed they chained up? What's it like? No, we

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Speaker 1: we it's a chapel. We typically it's a chapel, a

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Speaker 1: quiet chapel though away from the public eye, and most

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Speaker 1: of the times the persons seated. But if if they're

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Speaker 1: going to really start thrashing bad, we'll sometimes start them

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Speaker 1: lying on a mat or they can't even be restrained

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Speaker 1: by some individuals from the beginning, and we'll start praying

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Speaker 1: over them and and the sessions take about one to

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Speaker 1: two hours, and there are all different degrees of possession

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Speaker 1: of the fully possessed. People really often and usually start

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Speaker 1: thrashing pretty badly. Yeah, lesser cases there'll be some demonic reaction,

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Speaker 1: but not quite as extreme the role sounds that we

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Speaker 1: heard in the movie The Exorcist. Does that happen? Um,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting basically, So yeah, sometimes and people will scream

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Speaker 1: mean you'll you'll hear a satanic voice coming forward. How

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Speaker 1: the movie though was a little bit to Hollywood, you know,

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Speaker 1: but you do end up that's one of the ways

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Speaker 1: we do discernment. As you see this personality come forward,

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Speaker 1: one of our There are other signs too, for exactly

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Speaker 1: we had one person who woke up in the morning

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Speaker 1: It looked like a huge beast took their claw and

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Speaker 1: And many times they possessed. Well, is there a common

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Speaker 1: have people lawyers and people with professional degrees. And many

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Speaker 1: times people come in and say, I never would have

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Speaker 1: or until they're exercised. Once they're possessed, is it like

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Speaker 1: full time? No? And that's why typically they'll they'll seem

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Speaker 1: they do something that demons don't like. So. Uh, here's

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Speaker 1: a typical question. I ask two questions. Uh, try to

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Speaker 1: sell these questions. People come to us why you? And why? Now?

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Speaker 1: I know it's why you? Why why might you have demons?

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Speaker 1: What was the open door? And then why now? Why

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Speaker 1: are you manifesting now? And typically why they're manifesting now

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Speaker 1: is they they convert, they go back to the church,

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Speaker 1: had this revulsion to it because the demons can't can't

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Speaker 1: stand it. Can they answer the question? Why them? Why

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Speaker 1: it happens to them? Do they know? Well, we sit

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Speaker 1: there and we work on that, we talked, well, let's

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Speaker 1: let's look at your history. What were you doing and

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Speaker 1: what have you done? And sometimes they'll have done things themselves,

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Speaker 1: maybe in their family for example, where someone was possessed

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Speaker 1: and her family was doing abortions. Well, you know, you

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Speaker 1: learn that sadly, that an abortion is a grave evil

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Speaker 1: and it invites indemons. Or her family was doing abortions

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Speaker 1: and she got massively possessed. Took five years to liberate her. Now,

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Speaker 1: when they get possessed, I had always heard too. Then

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Speaker 1: if you're an alcoholic, or you're on drugs or something

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Speaker 1: You know, they'll to be one guy was going to

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Speaker 1: sometimes it's pretty obvious. Well, we had a woman a

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Speaker 1: tough case recently, and I took about six months, by

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Speaker 1: looked bad, and it just it just when you pray over,

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Speaker 1: thing was ugly. She had scratches and the whole thing

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Speaker 1: and it was it was ugly. And now we pray over,

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Speaker 1: she just looked. There is that they're in smiles at you,

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Speaker 1: and she looks, you know, twenty years younger. And it

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Speaker 1: doesn't react to the prayers, and so her whole demeanor

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Speaker 1: is he looks great. I mean, she's got a life back.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the joys of this ministry, by the way,

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Speaker 1: is that people get their lives back. And it's a

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Speaker 1: joy to see that. And I find it very satisfying

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Speaker 1: a ministry to help people. In your opinion, tell us

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Speaker 1: about Satan. We know what the Bible has said, Who

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Speaker 1: the heck is this thing? Yeah, well, people, I'm very

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Speaker 1: concerned about people's perspective today. I wait, a young man

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Speaker 1: come to us who had a demonic problem, and and

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Speaker 1: And I said, well, why did you do that? Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: And he said, well, I thought it would make me

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Speaker 1: the new generation are not learning the basic truths of

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Speaker 1: the Christian faith. You know, God is God, There is

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Speaker 1: one God. God is good, God loves you, God cares,

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Speaker 1: God forgives, you know, hang on to us Son Jesus

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Speaker 1: and you'll be fine. And Satan is ugly, evil, bad,

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Speaker 1: had many people come to me and say they're Satanists,

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Speaker 1: you know, several and old practicing witchcraft or all that

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Speaker 1: don't really realize who Satan is. First of all, Satan

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Speaker 1: they grit their teeth, they say no, I said, does

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Speaker 1: Jesus love you. They grit their teeth, say yes, reluctantly,

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Speaker 1: me the truth. I did you make a bad choice?

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Speaker 1: They go yes. And then I say, I said would

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Speaker 1: would not. That's a mystery of evil. See. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: realize that they made a bad choice. They're suffering because

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Speaker 1: of that, but they still wouldn't change that. They hate

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Speaker 1: God and that's all there is in how his hatred.

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Speaker 1: Satan is a narcissist, doesn't care about you. He is

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Speaker 1: hate you. And one of the reasons why you do

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Speaker 1: not want to go to hell a variety of reasons,

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Speaker 1: but because he will and hell Satan is not changed anymore,

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Speaker 1: going to be ugly. Would you say, Mont Senior, that

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Speaker 1: of all the years you've been doing this, that evil

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Speaker 1: is on an uptick as opposed to going down, Well,

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Speaker 1: I see a lot of bad signs. The first of all,

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Speaker 1: I want you to know I'm a veteran. I love

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Speaker 1: this country in America. I think it's the best country

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Speaker 1: have a special a special calling to promote freedom, equality, justice, kindness,

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Speaker 1: and compac which I think we often, many times do.

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Speaker 1: But there are some signs today that that are troubling

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Speaker 1: in this country. And that's the rise of violence, a discord, hatred. Uh,

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Speaker 1: So typically we'll have them see therapists at the same

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