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Speaker 1: number seven.

436
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Speaker 3: Opera the second day. That's a good sign means we're

437
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 3: not thinking about the numbers. So what was that about

438
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 3: it though? Was it just that, like it was your

439
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 3: opportunity to direct, like I guess what is commonly known

440
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 3: as one of the modern great musicals, Like it's it's

441
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 3: it's an opportunity to take something to this screen. What

442
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 3: do you mean, my my wanting my direct I guess

443
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Speaker 3: when you talk about how that was like the peak,

444
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 3: like that was like a wonderful, incredible, like magical time

445
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 3: making that movie, I would imagine it was because it's

446
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 3: the opportunity to totally blow out like greats.

447
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: I had never made a movie with dancing really in it,

448
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: and dancing was my background. I come from theatre in

449
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: choreography and I'm dancer and whatever. Yeah, and so it

450
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: was sort of strange that it was my fifth movie

451
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: and that I had made the other four movies without

452
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: including any big dance. And it was sort of notable,

453
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: at least in my head, that I that my whole

454
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: life had been danced up until I started directing, and

455
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: then it was no dance and then. So so this

456
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: was kind of if I was going to do it.

457
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: It was that I had an emotional connection with it

458
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: because I when Mark Shaman and Scott Whitman were writing it,

459
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: I was I would be at their summer house and

460
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: I was around while they were writing it. I was

461
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: listening to Jennifer Lewis like singing, Yeah, I was aware

462
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: of it. I went to the opening night in Seattle

463
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: when it was out of town, tryout Marc scot or

464
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: two of my closest friends and when and so I

465
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: had a lot of hairspray in me. Plus I was

466
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: a crazy fan of John Waters version and I and

467
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,239
Speaker 1: so all of it was a perfect compotation of all

468
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: these things. So when I, oh, I have a story

469
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: you're going to like when I when it happened, it

470
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: took a long time, for them to actually end up

471
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: coming to me, and they had gone with some other

472
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: people and then those people didn't work out and some

473
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: stuff happened, and I'd been really hurt because I really

474
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: wanted to do it, and then they got I was

475
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: really really close and then I didn't And it was

476
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: the first movie I'd really fought for and it was

477
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: really hard because too my best friends had written it,

478
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: so it was there was it was emotionally fraud and

479
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: I and when I finally got it, I was in.

480
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: This was so crazy. I was in Baltimore shooting The

481
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Speaker 1: First Step Up, Wow, which was my best friend Ann Fletcher,

482
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: who directed The First Step Up. It was her first film,

483
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: and I was producing it yep, and it was it

484
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: the first movie I produced anyway. I can't even remember anyway,

485
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: So we were there, I'm in Baltimore and I get

486
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: a call saying like it's you. We want you to

487
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: direct Hairspray. And I sort of took it in and

488
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: I was like okay, and I said, can I have

489
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: John Watt? Can somebody get me John Waters email because

490
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: I want to send him an email that there wasn't

491
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: really I don't remember doing a lot of texting back

492
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: then whatever in the early aughts. But but so somebody

493
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: sent me John's thing and I wrote him an email,

494
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: and all the emails said was, dear mister Waters, my

495
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: name is Adam Shankman, and I've been hired to direct

496
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: the new version of the musical of Hairspray. I hope

497
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: you don't mind, best Adam Shankman. And he wrote me

498
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: back within three minutes and said this is so fabulous.

499
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: Where are you? And I said, well, weirdly, I'm in Baltimore.

500
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: This is all over email, and he said fabulous. Can

501
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: we have lunch tomorrow? And I froze. I was like panic, stritten, cricken,

502
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: but of course I was like in my freezing, my

503
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: fingers were at least unfrozen enough to write the word yeah.

504
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: And we had lunch the next day and I'm still

505
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: processing that I'm making the movie and I'm sitting with

506
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: John Waters and he's just telling me, oh, it's gotta

507
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: be fabulous and happens. And I was like, you know, look,

508
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: I'm really nervous because there's your version and the fans

509
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: of your version, and then there's the fans of the musical,

510
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: and it's a really like, those are really intense fan basis,

511
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: and they're they're going to be have a bulls eye

512
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: on me and or a target on me. And he said, oh,

513
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: fuck everybody, the whole tradition of hairspray. Do what you do.

514
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: You're fabulous, you just do you. And I really took

515
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: that in and then he said and I believe I'd

516
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: had a couple of glasses of wine because I was

517
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: very nervous, and he said, do you want to go

518
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: see where I shot the movie? And I went yeah,

519
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: And so we jumped in his giant, crazy boat of

520
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: a car at the time, which was convertible and it

521
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: was the summer, and he drove me around all the

522
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: locations where he shot the movie. And then he was like,

523
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: I want to see where the real people lived that

524
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: I based it on. And I said yeah, and he

525
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,719
Speaker 1: took me around to that and then he said it's

526
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: so cool, and then he said I want to come

527
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: over to my house. Wow, And I was like yeah.

528
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: And I had this full day with John steeped in

529
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, the legitimate lore of hairspray, and it all

530
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: felt very lovely. It was really like it was just

531
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: like he blessed me doing the movie, and so I

532
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: took it very very seriously, and I spent a lot,

533
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: and I was very very careful about like choreographing it

534
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: and how I was going to do everything, and I

535
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: was very very I was I was in that.

536
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

537
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: Can I say something about this that I think kind

538
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: of tries to connect all these things together. I think

539
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: John Waters is a director who does not really care

540
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: about the outcome, and I think that is a really

541
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: liberating thing that I don't think I'm trying to work towards.

542
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: I think because we are in a business that treats

543
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: accomplishment in a very specific way. You can look at

544
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: accomplishment either in an outcomes centered way or in a

545
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: skill and mastery centered way. And the outcome centered way

546
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,479
Speaker 2: means that you think, well, if this, depending on whatever outcome,

547
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: it will determine my worth as a person. And then

548
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: the sort of skills centered way to think about it is,

549
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: let me do this so that I can get better

550
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: at this thing, just to see. Well, that's an oversimplification, right,

551
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: It's not really an oversimplification. I think sometime over simplifications

552
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: are just the truth. Sure, you know, it's just the

553
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: basic totally, and that is true, hey, but on point

554
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: of order, it feels like nothing is what it says

555
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: it is anymore. Point of answer, it's because everything has

556
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: a catch, hey, or it turns out to be something

557
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: else entirely like a total catfish situation. Except for hotels

558
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: dot com. Yeah, that one's pretty literal because it's hotels

559
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: dot com. It's in the domain. You go there, you

560
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: book hotels, hundreds of thousands of them and hold up.

561
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: That's it. That's it.

562
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: And when stays are booked as a member, rewards are

563
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: earned every time, every stay, every stay, no tracking or managing,

564
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: just rewards that can be used like cash on future booking.

565
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: Which by the way, already feels nicer than most rewards programs.

566
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, members can also get up to twenty percent

567
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: off booking, so savings start right away.

568
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: Does that mean no weird restrictions and no blackout dates?

569
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: Book what works? When it works, it's actually really fitting

570
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: of travel. So the name is honest you're saying, and

571
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: the rewards are too exactly hotels dot com. It's all

572
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: in the name.

573
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: And I feel like John Waters is someone who I

574
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: feel like had this incredible development as a director where

575
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: he evolved so seamlessly from one thing into the next,

576
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: even though it's such a.

577
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: Wide breadth of work, like well, staying very him exactly,

578
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: and I feel like and like as you probably heard

579
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: in his interview with us, it's like he was just

580
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: like yeah, whatever, like the translated it you.

581
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: I think I would imagine that you. While you have

582
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: a hard time watching your own work, I think it's

583
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: because you are watching it from a skills even though

584
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: you're thinking about the outcomes. You're you know, Hairsport was

585
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: a huge success. Many of your movies are huge successes,

586
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: and I hope the same is true for Stop that Train.

587
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: But I feel like you should look back on your

588
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: work or just I don't know, talk about it with

589
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: us or with friends or fans whatever. Terms of you

590
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: sort of furthering your skill as a director. Well, that's

591
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: that's actually how thank you.

592
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: That's very kind, And that's how I feel because for

593
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: so it feels really nice to sitting with my friends

594
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: and talking. Yeah, but the I feel very strongly that

595
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten good enough of what I do, and

596
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: like I have so far to go, and I feel

597
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: like so many stories in me and I have, but

598
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with having like some drum

599
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: to beat. It's just like there's there's just a lot.

600
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: There's a lot to do, And yes, I can get

601
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: on a set and I definitely know how it works

602
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: and I know what I do well, which is actually

603
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: get us through a day.

604
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Speaker 3: And I was gonna say that was that was a

605
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 3: lot of my experience on Stop that Train too, because

606
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 3: you can imagine, and part of its charm is the

607
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: fact that it is very low budget.

608
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean, what was it twenty

609
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: two days nineteen.

610
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: Like with about proximallyven thousand cast members and you know,

611
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: like a lot of considerations that obviously most the vast

612
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: majority of the cast is getting into full drag, right.

613
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like.

614
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: Many locations quote unquote lots going on, and it really, honestly,

615
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: when we were shooting it, like you were just like, yep, great,

616
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 3: this is great, and you were just so.

617
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: Confident in moving on. I remember I turned to you

618
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: and I was like you feel you feel good? And

619
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: he was like, I wouldn't move on.

620
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: If I didn't, And I was like, you're right, I

621
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 3: shouldn't have even fucking asked. And I actually felt like

622
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: a dipshit for asking because I like, of course.

623
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: He knows to move on. I understand, but if you

624
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: have a feeling's valid.

625
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 3: I guess my thing is I just like I just wanted.

626
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 3: But it's probably the same thing, right, It's like, you

627
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: want to do a good job, you want to make

628
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 3: sure that you made the use of that time. But

629
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Speaker 3: I just like, really respect a director that knows exactly

630
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 3: what he wants and gets it and confidently moves on.

631
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: That is leadership. Well, thank you, that's kind. But you

632
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: were also everybody who was doing it ended up exceeding

633
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: what was like what was on the page was really good,

634
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: which is why y'all did it.

635
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, Connor and Christina they went to a dramatic writing

636
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: a Tish and I went back and did the commencement

637
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 3: speech and their whole department is so.

638
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: Proud of them. Oh, I was so happy that they

639
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: got to have that opportunity. Well, everybody, they did such

640
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: a great job, and everybody, Most people when they would

641
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: try to improv would end up being like, yeah, you

642
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: know the script, and so they everybody did it and

643
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: then brought whatever they brought into it and it elevated it.

644
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: And so most things I didn't have to do much

645
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: because everybody was swimming in the same direction on the

646
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: and and everybody knew what the drill was and how

647
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: fast we were going to go. And you know, people

648
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 1: bring people are starting to bring up the our steady

649
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: cam shot around the Oval and they're like, how many

650
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: times you do that? I was like seventeen and seventeen

651
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: We did it seventeen times. Still a low number, Still

652
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Speaker 1: a loon.

653
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 3: Really.

654
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: I was the choreographer on Book Nights and I think

655
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: we did that opening shot of Boogie Nights like eleven times.

656
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: I mean, but it was like an hour and a

657
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: half reset. I don't know. I'd have to call it

658
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: spoiler alert.

659
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 3: There is one really fun Warner of a tracking shot

660
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 3: that Ruin I do with a bunch of the extras

661
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 3: in the Oval office. Yes, and I remember when I

662
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: when you said the script that was I read it

663
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 3: that scene and I was like, oh, this is gonna

664
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 3: be legitimately really because.

665
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: It reminded me of Airplane. Yeah, it's Bowen. And I

666
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: went to go see The Naked Gun in theaters.

667
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 3: Actually, I saw it two days in a row because

668
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: I am so craving movies.

669
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: Like this with high joke density. It's a very this

670
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: is a very high joke every every every scene is

671
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 1: like a game that it's playing.

672
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 3: And I joke like Bostin powers, you know what I mean,

673
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: where you can kind of boil it down to like

674
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 3: every scene is like a sketch.

675
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: Check out the window and it's all of that. It's

676
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: it's that's what it's design is. And so you guys

677
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: were great at it. What I mean. The fun part

678
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: for me sitting in the audience and watching people watch

679
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: the movie and that scene is they're laughing through so

680
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: much of it. They miss they miss all the jokes.

681
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: Yeah there, and so they're going to be compelled to

682
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: watch it again. And I think it's going to be

683
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: like really well.

684
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,479
Speaker 3: First of all, I have to say, I I don't

685
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: you never really know because like algorithmically, the bubble of

686
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 3: it all, like you don't know if just the people.

687
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: I remember I thought Bros. Was going to make a

688
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: hundred million the first weekend, I can't know.

689
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 3: And I'm always like a little surprised sometimes when something

690
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: is either a hit or not so successful, but it

691
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: feels really good.

692
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: I just had the gayest moment ever when I was

693
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 1: listening to you said, that's key. You should. They really

694
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: are so much gay there, God the shoes are you?

695
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: It was so well, let me show you something. This

696
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: one we call n F y C shoe finger clapping,

697
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: finger clapping clap, so it is so cut.

698
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 2: But no, this is but this is what we're talking about.

699
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: It's like, uh, it's like it's like the just I

700
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: like that things aren't as like box office, or maybe

701
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: they still are and I'm just choosing to ignore it.

702
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: But it's like it seems like the outcome of the

703
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: box office gross, like determining the worth of something.

704
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm just like, we never bought into that. Dude. Dude

705
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: background making eighty one million dollars this weekend. It's like

706
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: I've never heard people. It's like kind of obsession is

707
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: like things like that. It's like it's it's it's not

708
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: like people aren't going and paying money to go to

709
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: the readers. I mean, look the outsized there's something for me,

710
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,479
Speaker 1: particularly because of what I do obviously, which is sad

711
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: to me that that you know, there are a third

712
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: of the comedies being released than there are of the

713
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 1: horror now when I my favorite words to say when

714
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: I produced the Oscars. I did a tribute to Horror

715
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: in there. I remember that the Academy was actually they

716
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: were not pleased, of course, with that, because they it

717
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: felt a little I think at the time it felt

718
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: like low to them in some way, and we were

719
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: not that at that point, they were not courting younger viewers.

720
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: And I remember also like during that thing, they were

721
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: not thrilled that I brought out all of the It

722
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: was there that John Hughes died and I brought out

723
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: all the cast members from the John Hughes movies Low Culture. No,

724
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: it was like, well, you're pulling him out of the

725
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: end memoriam and you're making a thing about him, and

726
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: there was and I was like, he is the reason

727
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: why half this room is doing what they do when

728
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: they do, so everybody needs to just pump the brakes. Yeah,

729
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: And we got to see them all standing on stage together.

730
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: Which yeah, but you're saying like Horror like has this

731
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: new appreciation. It's appreciated in value, right, It's appreciated value.

732
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: And you don't need stars, So you don't you don't

733
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: need stars to sell at the concepts sell themselves and

734
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 1: and you have imagery matched with a score and music

735
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: that can do like a very very desired dopamine hit

736
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: by the audiences, and the dopamine hits that you get

737
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: in comedy generally, because comedies are much softer now, they

738
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: used to be much more outrageous, much more thing. I mean,

739
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: when you go back to the early Mail Brooks and

740
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: you go back to the airplanes and you do all

741
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: that you were getting open means because you could not

742
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: believe what the fuck was coming out of anybody's mouth

743
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: was shocked. It was so much that so you could

744
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: get that same kind of feeling, And we're so numbed

745
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: out now that when we have these movies that are

746
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: giving us the promise of those dopamine hits, then that's

747
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: going to be when you don't have star salaries to do.

748
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: My thesis was that like comedy is undervalued right now.

749
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: It is in a way in a literal sense of

750
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: like it is a very necessary thing that people are

751
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 2: not appreciating in the way that I feel like they should,

752
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: which is that common comedy is inherently optimistic and that

753
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 2: is short supply.

754
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: That makes it soft. That makes it soft.

755
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: But I think with movies like Naked Gun Remake and

756
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: with Stop that train. Now, it's like, this is actually

757
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 2: hugely important in the same way that you go to

758
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: a horror movie to you go to the theater for

759
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: a horror movie to scream and be surprised with an

760
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: audience and have this communal experience. Yeah, Like Matt and

761
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: I loved going to Naked Gun and laughing along with

762
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: with a room full of people because I was like,

763
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: and then we were a little stone. But I was like, oh,

764
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 2: this feels so foreign.

765
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 3: Well, so, by the way, we were in a fight

766
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 3: that day and we we actually were actually reaching the

767
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: apex of the conflict as we were going up the

768
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: escalators at Alamo Drafts House to see the movie.

769
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: And then we watched it and it did help. It helped,

770
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: and we were like, we have to put our feelings aside.

771
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: We're about to watch Naked Gun. And then it was

772
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: like we were that thing. We love this so much.

773
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: That's the whole thing is it's relief. It's literally and

774
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: it's relief.

775
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: And this is why I'm saying, like, yes, I think

776
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: like people don't want to make risk, but also people

777
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 3: are it's it's it's they're just too afraid to because

778
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 3: comedy is like there's a hit percentage with it, right,

779
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: like it's and then so there's risk.

780
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: In making it in terms of making the movie funny

781
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: funny exactly, and.

782
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: I feel like because you can't like plan for what's

783
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: exactly gonna happen audience wise, it's the.

784
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: First to go. That's why Stop that Train actually is

785
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: is why I jumped at it so much, is because

786
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: Stop that Train's brand of humor is universal. It's like

787
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: it's slapstick. Yeah, it's it's it's smart, stupid. You can

788
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: laugh with stupid.

789
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: Smart, you can laugh with it. Mute, did a thousand joke?

790
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 3: Wait three seconds? Wait, you forget about that joke and

791
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: you're gonna.

792
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: Like the next one is three seconds after that, Which

793
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: is why the comparison to horrors, and because in a

794
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 2: horror film, it's like a screamer. Scare can can be

795
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: spaced out pretty far. Yeah right, It's like you don't

796
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: like you are thinking comedies in like a laughs per

797
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: minute way.

798
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: Unless it's like a very heavily plotted out comedy. If

799
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: it's a plot heavy comedy. I mean, look scary movies

800
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: coming out. That's gonna scary movie.

801
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 3: And drew twelfth for them, to be two of those

802
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: movies just a week apart, is I think a big victory.

803
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's there's a there's a good joke density there. Yes, yeah,

804
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: and so I feel I feel good about being a

805
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: part of it. I've never as queer coded as all

806
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: my movies are, because I'm the one who made them.

807
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: I you know, this is for sure. This is straight down,

808
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: the straight down. Thank you for casting Shane West. Little

809
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: Gamy was so happy about that. I mean, want I

810
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: know the funny.

811
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 3: I just.

812
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: I just recently found their chemistry read.

813
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 3: Just by the way, one of the things one of

814
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 3: the biggest compliments I'll give about that movie, the incredible

815
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: chemistry they found together.

816
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: And he first film, No she had made Diaries, Well,

817
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: you know, she was playing a stock type there, she

818
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 1: was leading, she was yeah, she was. She was playing

819
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: in a weird way, like the bitchy version of her candy,

820
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: of her pop star person.

821
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that probably was an easy self to like, Oh,

822
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 3: there's Mandy Moore. She's going to play like the mean

823
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 3: girl who's and she's blonde. She's going to pick on

824
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 3: Anne with her brown, curly hair, et cetera.

825
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: But then to see her.

826
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 3: Just all that vulnerability and all that kindness and goodness

827
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: that is so inherent in.

828
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 1: Her besides the chemistry. Read okay, So the studio wanted

829
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: Jessica Simpson, so they wanted Wanton because they wanted her. Well,

830
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: it was a it was a very that was a

831
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: low budget.

832
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 6: Oh.

833
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: She was also super Christian and she was very Christian famously,

834
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: and Andrew Lloyd Webber this is the tea that we got.

835
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: Andrew Weber was interested in her for Christine and Phantom,

836
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: and they wanted to use Walk to Remember to kind

837
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: of audition that and C so and so, I and

838
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: so we had lunch and that was its own thing

839
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: with her and her dad and there were yeah, the

840
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: Warmer Warner Brothers cafeteria. But I was driving home and

841
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: on the radio, a little voice came over the radio

842
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: singing a little song called I Want to Be with

843
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: You but I guess seemed and anything, and it had

844
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: just all that breathiness to it, and I love her.

845
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: I went, God, that that's like that would be like

846
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: how I pictured Jamie singing. And then I went and

847
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: I looked up what the album cover looked like. Do

848
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: you remember what that album cover? The white with her

849
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: like blowing out, and I was like, that's her, that's yeh,

850
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: that's Jamie. I went, Oh my God, Please God, let

851
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: her be able to act, Please, thank God. And this

852
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: is what happened. So I met with her. She came

853
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: to lunch at the IVY for a meeting with me,

854
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: holding her copy of Walk to Remember the Book, the

855
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: book when she was sixteen, fifteen sixteen, and our first

856
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: day of shooting was her seventeenth birthday, I remember, and

857
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: she she came and she was so mandy, Like what

858
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: you get now is like just the more mature conversion

859
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: of what it was. But that that sweetness, that innocence,

860
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: that little laugh, that the big dough, I think that

861
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: was all there then. And I just was like in

862
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: my head the whole time, I was like, God, please,

863
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: letter be able to please, Letter to be able to act.

864
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: And so I read her and she was good, and

865
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: then I had her do the chemistry read with Shane,

866
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: who was pretty popular on his TV show at that time.

867
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: And I will tell you this, neither of them were

868
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: particularly good in the reading in terms like they didn't

869
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: have their characters down, but the way they listened to

870
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: each other and the chemistry they had, I was like,

871
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: I can't teach that, I can't direct that, so that

872
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: became them and it was that's how that went down.

873
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: Okay, Adam Fankman, it's time to ask you the question,

874
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: what is the culture that made you say culture is

875
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: for me?

876
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: It's funny because all roads lead back to both culture

877
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: and also well being gay. Yes, and I really I

878
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: really fought between two subjects because they were both very

879
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: impactful for me. But I would say the culture made

880
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: culture was for me would have to be seeing the

881
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: sound of music for the first time. And why I

882
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: say that also relates to my because I was very

883
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: very young movie was made like they used to re

884
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: release movies very quickly and back then into the theaters

885
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: like I was born in nineteen sixty four, and which

886
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: I believe is when it was made and or came out,

887
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: and so I think I was probably about three or

888
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: four when I saw it for the first time. Because

889
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: my parents were really into playing musical My mom loved

890
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: them and and they exposed me to musical thing. I

891
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: was very drawn to it very early. And some inappropriate

892
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: stuff by the way, like Chicago and but you know,

893
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: the sexual stuff all flew over my head whatever. I

894
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: was really into, just looking at the costumes and listening

895
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: to music and watching the women, watching Anita put on

896
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: her nine and steang Anita's gonna get a kick and

897
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 1: I are putting on perfume and anyway, So I saw

898
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: that that opening shot with those flutes, and coming down

899
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: and finding Julie Andrews spinning in a circle skirt on

900
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: the top of that mountain. I think my head fell

901
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: off its body like I are, like I suddenly was born.

902
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: And then to track this story of this person who

903
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: has so much good and so much love in her,

904
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: who is also naughty and kind of a rule breaker,

905
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: and then lives this insane fantasy life in wealth, surrounded,

906
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 1: never giving up being who she is, and then gets

907
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: the fallen in love with by this stud and finding

908
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: love and all that. I was just like, I this,

909
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: I want that, This is me, I am this, This

910
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: is everything I dream of in my entire life. It

911
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: was like every even at that age, all of it

912
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: was fulfilled. And that's how old I was when I

913
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: saw it. And I have an unfortunately good memory. For

914
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,479
Speaker 1: fortunate for us, well, I have got plenty of planning

915
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: to go around. And that to me was everything because

916
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: it also tethers into gay to the gay and I

917
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: had sort of and what's interesting about and I want

918
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: to talk about the cultural significance of sound of music,

919
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: if you'd like. But also it tethers into what I

920
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: had pre told you about, which is you know, which

921
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: is that that kind of fantasist living and my relating

922
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: to Maria and wanting to be Maria and to have

923
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: that experience was I started to say to my parents like,

924
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: I want to I want to be a girl. I

925
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: want to be a girl. And nineteen sixty seven was

926
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: sixty eight. My parents were My mom and dad were

927
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: twenty two and twenty three when I was born, and

928
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: it was not okay, and they were very concerned about me,

929
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: and they wanted to know the best way to parent me.

930
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: And they're very liberal. My parents were very liberal, and

931
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: they were so they sought some help. And there was

932
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: a program at UCLA for kids with gender dysmorphia, and

933
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: so they talked to the doctor and they felt like

934
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: he said, I can help them, and you know, we'll

935
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: figure this out. And they and my mom drove me

936
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: to these so I'd see him twice a week privately,

937
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: and then twice sorry, twice a month privately, and twice

938
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: a month studied with a group. And what my mother

939
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: sitting in the thing, didn't know is she had inadvertently

940
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: put me in conversion therapy at four years old. And

941
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: what that man did and said was soul can will

942
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: never be undone. I will be fighting with that inner

943
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: narrative of what like I'm bad, like my existence is bad.

944
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: And I was told in you know, in so many words,

945
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: that if I was if I said I was a girl,

946
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: if I said I wanted to be a girl, or

947
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: any of these things which had to do with fabric

948
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: and like a prince charming taking care of me, that

949
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: my parents would discard me. I would perish, i would starve,

950
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: I'd have no friends, I'd never know any love. I

951
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: was four years old, and this man said it to

952
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: me over and over and over again and in different ways.

953
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: And the way my mother describes what was happening was

954
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 1: at a certain point she started to get very concerned

955
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,439
Speaker 1: because she said she saw my light go out. Yeah,

956
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: and I stopped being the singing, dancy, happy kid that

957
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: you see at equinox, and and that I was becoming quiet.

958
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: And one day I just said to her, I don't

959
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: want to go back and see doctor Green. And she

960
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: was like, no problem, and they took me out. And

961
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: when did it stop? How far in?

962
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know. I want to text my mom.

963
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 5: But like, you know, at least six months, I mean, so.

964
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: You were that young when you were able to vocalize

965
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: like and the real And what I want to be

966
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: very clear about was I wanted to be a girl.

967
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: I did not feel like a girl. It was I

968
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: was not trained. I think everyone understands I said the

969
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: same I said the same. I said the same thing.

970
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: You know.

971
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 3: I want to put a towel in in in the

972
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 3: back of me so that I feel like I had

973
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 3: long hair. I wanted to be teen.

974
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was about it was about dress up, and

975
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: it was about but it really was a lot about

976
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: like wanting to be taken care of and protected.

977
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 2: Of course, it's the difference between you know, this is

978
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: an oversimplification.

979
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: Another one.

980
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 2: It's the difference between drag and being and feeling like

981
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: you are in the wrong body. Yes, but yes, so

982
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: of course, and yet and how does your like because

983
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 2: my mom, having gone through a similar thing at a

984
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: very different age for a much shorter amount of time,

985
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 2: like my parents now are still like, we are so

986
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: sorry that.

987
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: We put you. My parents feel like it's the most

988
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: harm they've ever done. They cannot they cannot cope with it.

989
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: In some ways we've come to they didn't know they

990
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: were lied to. Yes, they were lied to, and because

991
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: they were trying. It was because they were trying to

992
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: figure out the best way to their beloved baby son

993
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: feel safe and okay, and unfortunately they were lied to

994
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: and put me in the hands of a monster and

995
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: who And the worst thing that I realized when I

996
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: had to obviously a ton of therapy and all of that,

997
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 1: that I realized that happened was because I think to myself,

998
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 1: you know that ended at a certain point, Why is

999
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: this still haunting me? And I realized it's because I

1000
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: made his voice mind. Yes, that's exactly it. I was

1001
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: gonna say, I made his voice mind. But I was

1002
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: too young to know any different. And it became like

1003
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: this life narrative where it's all been about like pleasing

1004
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: and shame and this and that and the next thing,

1005
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: and and and and not feeling safe a lot of

1006
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: the time. And that's why set is so important to me.

1007
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: Because I feel so safe at work. I know exactly

1008
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 1: what I'm supposed to be doing there. I feel appreciated,

1009
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: I feel you know, you get me. Offset I'm a

1010
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: fucking disaster. I don't know how to walk around in

1011
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: the world like a normal person. It was after a

1012
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: while I was on So you Think you can Dance?

1013
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: And I was for that period of time kind of

1014
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: like TV famous and on air. It was like an

1015
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: on air personality, and people would come up to it.

1016
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: I was like, and you want to know, you want

1017
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 1: to be set up for a drug and alcohol problem.

1018
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: That shit sets you up for a drug and alcohol problem.

1019
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: That happened to me when I was a kid, and

1020
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: and it was the only way I could cope. And

1021
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 1: so anyway, all that is to say, yes, my parents

1022
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: are We'll never be able to express there. On the

1023
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: other hand, when they then outed me when I was

1024
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: graduating high school because like I had girlfriends and I like,

1025
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: I was like, they were like, just we want you

1026
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: to know, oh, X, Y, and Z. They took me

1027
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: on separatis. They were divorced at that point, and they

1028
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: took me on separate trips and basically told me that

1029
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: they either knew or felt good about me gay, which.

1030
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 5: Was the worst possible thing that they could have said

1031
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 5: to me.

1032
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we know, well I wasn't out to me exactly,

1033
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: so I was like, what the fuck is happening? And

1034
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: I would be like, I am not and there is

1035
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: this and they're like, well, just in case. And then

1036
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: my mom's sending me books called now that we know

1037
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm like, oh my god that I like,

1038
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm losing my mind because coming out took me so long,

1039
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: and I was like every time I would say to

1040
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: one of my friends like, I'm like, I'm gay, and

1041
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: they'd be like, yeah, this is like and I was like, what,

1042
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: how does everybody know this thing?

1043
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 3: That I'm so frustrating that was souse. They're using so

1044
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 3: much energy to convince everyone else. But I was just

1045
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 3: so lucky to come out into love. Yeah you know

1046
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 3: what I mean That that I know is a blessing

1047
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 3: that not everybody gets.

1048
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: But the thing that happened when I was young will

1049
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: never fucking go away, and it drives me crazy. Yeah,

1050
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: it will never go away.

1051
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 2: But you've already done the work, which is to like

1052
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 2: name it, externalize it. It is not a part of you,

1053
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: it's bouncing around. But it's it's as long as you

1054
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: can be like that soft green. Yeah, that's what he's dad.

1055
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: He he lived a sad life where he was causing

1056
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: harm at the end and guess what he was gay,

1057
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: Well that I would imagine that's that's yeah, that was

1058
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: like my you know, there was some talk about him,

1059
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: like my suspecting that, like my parents felt like he

1060
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: hit all my dad kind of thing like there was

1061
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: of course my dad was hot when he was young.

1062
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, anyways, lucky anyway, that having to do.

1063
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 3: With the sound of music, it all, it's it's a

1064
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 3: it's a first of all, thank you for sharing that.

1065
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 3: And I think that unfortunately a lot of times, like

1066
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 3: it's those things that bring us into the light, which

1067
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 3: also makes us kind of expose ourselves. And sometimes it

1068
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 3: happens a little earlier than we're ready, or you know,

1069
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 3: we sort of you know, we become bigger, more expressive

1070
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 3: versions of ourselves when and then all of a sudden

1071
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 3: we've revealed too much and the world is mean, and.

1072
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: The world is mean. And it's very interesting because during

1073
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: this sort of press run and for stop that train,

1074
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm constantly being asked what pride means to me because

1075
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: we're coming out into gay pride, and you know, as

1076
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: silly as a question that that mean, because it's so like,

1077
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, you want the Wikipedia? Do you want that? Wait?

1078
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: What are we talking about?

1079
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 3: You know?

1080
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: For me, the gratitude that I have and need to

1081
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: express more rather than the complaint, because we actually live

1082
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: in a place where being us is legal, and even

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01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: though they want to take away rights and stuff like

1084
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: a lot of them these days, it's still legal and

1085
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: we're allowed to exist, whereas there's places in this earth

1086
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: where people are stoned to death and that are jailed

1087
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: for being simply who they are. And so to not

1088
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: acknowledge that we get to have that as we fight

1089
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: for ourselves right now, which we have to, it felt

1090
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: strange too. And then to see that there was like

1091
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: some talk about reversing the conversion ban, I was like,

1092
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: what the fuck like that that is? I have firsthand experiences,

1093
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: do you?

1094
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,479
Speaker 3: And and well it's kind of they are now trying

1095
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 3: to frame it or they're trying to make us believe

1096
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 3: that actually conversion therapy.

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01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: Would be limiting. Like I guess like crespe and I

1098
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: guess like some sort of like religious practice, you know

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01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: what I.

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01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 3: Mean, because it's like it's it's it's almost as if

1101
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 3: saying no, you can't pray the gay away is like

1102
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 3: anti God, when meanwhile, we're just stating a fact. You

1103
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 3: are not able to pray the gay away. It's not sacrilegious,

1104
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 3: it's just truth.

1105
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: Well, it's also you're trying to inflict your beliefs on

1106
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: someone else, which you like, and make somebody else's truth

1107
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: and reality yours involuntarily. Yeah, that's what, that's what. That's what.

1108
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: And and to say that it's a parent's des I

1109
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: mean to if a child express it like it is

1110
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: expressed themselves, that the parents are upset with what they

1111
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: have in front of them, their child, you know, to

1112
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: potentially put them in extraordinary mental and emotional dress and

1113
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: harm to make them more how they would like them

1114
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,919
Speaker 1: to be is patently wrong.

1115
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 2: While these people are saying it's to protect the children,

1116
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 2: it's like this, it's it's tale as old as time.

1117
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 2: It's like it's parody on the Simpsons at this point, Yeah,

1118
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 2: what about the children? Woman, It's like, well, that that's what,

1119
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,959
Speaker 2: that's what, you know, that's the That's been the best

1120
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 2: way to campaign oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah to the children,

1121
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 2: the children, but you are the children, but you are

1122
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 2: endangering the children.

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Speaker 1: It's like, it's crazy, how dissonant that which brings us

1124
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: back to the sound of music when the Nazis children.

1125
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: By the way, you know that I did make a

1126
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: movie with a Nazi subplot that has the sound of music,

1127
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: which is the pacifier, which is which pretty snow film.

1128
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: My first Brittany and There Max the Area has a

1129
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: plot where Vin Diesel discovered he's dyed his hair blonde,

1130
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: bleached his hair blonde, and finds a swastika armband in

1131
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: his dressing room and thinks that the kid is a

1132
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: not Nazi and follows him to one of his meetings,

1133
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: where he meets up in an alley with other blonde

1134
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: guys wearing Nazi armbands, and then when he follows him in,

1135
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: they're just rehearsing a production a music perfect, perfect. So

1136
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: I got to make the Disney movie with the Nazi

1137
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: sub fu although I would say, I guess bed Offs

1138
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: and Broomsticks has a nice war you know time thing

1139
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: going on in there too. Yeah, sure, but it's not

1140
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: Nazis specific. But it's beautiful.

1141
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 2: You're talking about sound of music this way where it's

1142
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 2: like it's Marie, you can your your surrogate is Maria,

1143
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 2: and it's the children, right Like as a kid, you're like,

1144
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 2: I want to I just want to be one of

1145
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 2: them on trap kids. Yeah, But then as you grow

1146
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 2: up you're like, oh, right, I identify with her because

1147
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 2: it's like she's a good heart, but she's misunderstood and

1148
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 2: she just needs to like find the right place.

1149
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: And that's how I continue to feel yes in you know,

1150
01:03:55,680 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: and which is which is fine? Like it's I'm not

1151
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: mad at who I am and how I am. I'm like,

1152
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: it's it's way I am. And I've had like a

1153
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: freaking amazing life. I've had opportunities and experiences that when

1154
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: I lay it out, I can't even fathom that person.

1155
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: And yet here I am, and all I want to

1156
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: do is just get another job and work. You know.

1157
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 2: Of course we identify with this completely. And I also

1158
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 2: just want to say I feel compelled to say, And

1159
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 2: I know you're like, why does this kid keep talking

1160
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 2: about the DVD commentary of A Walk to Remember?

1161
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: You know? What happened? Because of that DVD commentary? What happened? Well,

1162
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: first of all, it did become a thing, and there

1163
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: was like a whole like fan site devoted to it,

1164
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: like there was like a whole thing. But I said

1165
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: something on the commentary about one of the cast members

1166
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: screwing everybody in all the girls in North Carolina during

1167
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 1: the thing, and I didn't know he was in gauged

1168
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: at the time, and they found and that the girl

1169
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: heard it and broke off.

1170
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 3: The better for her, better for him, I guess, Yeah, Yeah,

1171
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 3: it doesn't seem like someone that wanted to be.

1172
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: I believe on the commentary. I may have said I

1173
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: could be totally wrong about this, but I remember saying,

1174
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: that's that's what I do. Watch, that's my commentary. No,

1175
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: I believe that. I said, like that kid was paid

1176
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: to get laid. And I and Mandy and Shane were

1177
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: sitting across the desk from me going like no, don't, don't, don't, don't.

1178
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: Real well, they were like, don't let this out because

1179
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: of his girlfriend. Sure, and I did, And I couldn't

1180
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: know what the fun they were talking about. You know

1181
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: who is my Do you remember Danny from the Real World? Yeah,

1182
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: like because he had Paul. It was New Orleans and

1183
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: Paul the fuzzy face out his face. It was like that.

1184
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: They It was right after their season aired that we

1185
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: shot that, and they lived across the street from me

1186
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: in Wilmington. Yeah, but Wrightsville Beach. I was at right

1187
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: till Beach where my place was, and I'd see him

1188
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: out on the street like washing his car, and I

1189
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 1: felt like I had to look away because he was

1190
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: such a big star. Back then, the real world kids

1191
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: were like you. And when I saw Paul for the

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01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: first time, I was like, I looked away because I

1193
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: felt like, I'm not supposed to sposed to I looked like.

1194
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Speaker 1: I thought you said it was proven by science. I

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Speaker 1: never said that. I just said it was good.

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Speaker 2: I want to say on the note of the commentary,

1224
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 2: it's like I just want you to receive this, and

1225
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 2: I think like you will believe me. Like, and I

1226
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 2: think I've told you it's like that. That commentary. It

1227
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 2: just I would just rewatch it over and over again

1228
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 2: because I was like, oh my god, it's like such

1229
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 2: a sad movie, but they're being so funny on it,

1230
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 2: especially Adam Shankman, And it was like the first time,

1231
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:35,560
Speaker 2: now that we're on a podcast, it's like it was

1232
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 2: the first time that I had like heard like a

1233
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 2: gay man's voice just like lead this conversation in such

1234
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 2: a fun, funny direction.

1235
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: The way you were cracking jokes.

1236
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 2: I was like, I want to be friends with this.

1237
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 2: This guy seems so great. I was like, and this

1238
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 2: is it's representation is I guess the best word for it.

1239
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: But I was just like it was.

1240
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 2: It was a very important early moment for me to

1241
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 2: be like, Wow, you can direct a movie like this

1242
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: as a gay man. You can like have this rapport

1243
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 2: where you're like nurturing this talent and really bonding with them,

1244
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 2: and you're on there, You're at their level, You're you're

1245
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 2: you're just cracking wise and I was like, this seems great.

1246
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 2: I was like, you, I consider you and have always

1247
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 2: considered you an incredible role.

1248
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 1: Model in that way. Wow, I'm I watched I don't

1249
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: you have no idea? And am I like you? You

1250
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: are very you you you you feel you're Why is

1251
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 1: this episode sad? It's not sad, it's a little I

1252
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm okay. It's happy. It is happy. No,

1253
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: it's happy, and it's remember it's said.

1254
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 3: That.

1255
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: No, it's hopeful. I can't see. Thank you. I'm so happy.

1256
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 2: I forced us to be friends, didn't forced us to film.

1257
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 2: And for me, I was like, oh my god, this

1258
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 2: man that I've always loved, like it's it's it's so cool.

1259
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: Well this is you're doing this now for other kids?

1260
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 3: You know that you know what you know what you're

1261
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:11,440
Speaker 3: describing as like a parasocial Yes, exactly exactly.

1262
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 1: I think that that is.

1263
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 3: I was thinking about the DVD commentary of it all

1264
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 3: and how much I enjoyed it as well.

1265
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 1: Everything I can only pay attention to. It wasn't that.

1266
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: But really I was like, really, what they were was podcasts.

1267
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 2: You were listening to a podcast the movie exactly, and

1268
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 2: like that's what those were.

1269
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 1: And you know, I never did hear the Fire Island.

1270
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:39,679
Speaker 1: Oh no, yes I did. I did watch the Fire

1271
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:40,839
Speaker 1: Island DVD commentary.

1272
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 3: I guess that's the only movie I've ever been in

1273
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 3: that had the coary. And I was like, oh, what

1274
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 3: a nice thing that I hope people don't stop doing

1275
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 3: because it.

1276
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: Was first off that train. Yeah me, Christina and Connor.

1277
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: Oh great, that's great. I'm listening. It was. It was

1278
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 1: it was rough to keep on target, you know, talking

1279
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: about the movie. But it's just fun to hear. It's

1280
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: fun to hear. I like bts.

1281
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 3: I like hearing, Oh, that was a fun thing that

1282
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 3: happened this day, et cetera. Like I don't know, like,

1283
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 3: I just I'm into that, Like it's funny.

1284
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: Did they got sketch? No, Oh my god, that's so funny.

1285
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: I was just I didn't think you could possibly remember it.

1286
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 2: Matt to sketch when we were in college. Wasn't mean

1287
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 2: suit Citi rod a sketch when we were in college.

1288
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 2: It was Doubt, the DVD commentary of Doubt, and then

1289
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 2: one of one of them, it was you know whatever

1290
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 2: it was.

1291
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 3: It was literally it was Philip Seymour Hoffman, Meryl Streep,

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Speaker 3: and then the one woman who rank.

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Speaker 2: Crevices their drive by process and then Study comes in

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01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 2: and chimes in with her voice and on that day

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Speaker 2: there was a cobb salad for.

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Speaker 1: This was it was really tough because this was a

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01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 1: hot day. On said this was a cop salad and

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Speaker 1: that I ended up being it was a short one.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 2: This is the DVD commentary out now, like I missed it,

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01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 2: Like you just didn't have that anymore.

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01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: But what were we gonna say? I think I forget.

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01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 3: I was just I was just saying, like I just oh,

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01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 3: I was watching I just like bts of movies and

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01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 3: I like movie history, et cetera.

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01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: And I was watching.

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01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 3: Epic Ride, which is on Peacock and it's a three

1308
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 3: episode docuseriies like a little tiny thing about like the

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01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,640
Speaker 3: making of Epic Universe. And but but but when you

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01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 3: when you zoom out, it's also about like Universal Studios.

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01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 3: Actually Carl Lemley in the beginning of the Universal Studios,

1312
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 3: you know, production company, and how he bought Universal City

1313
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 3: and it literally the tram Tour actually started as people

1314
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 3: could just gather around and watch silent films get shot,

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01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 3: and they could make noise and they could yell and

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01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,719
Speaker 3: they could you know, laugh and hoot and holler because

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01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 3: it was a silent film, and they would stand around

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01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 3: and just watch it, and that became the Tram Tour,

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01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 3: which gave birth to Universal Studios as we know it.

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Speaker 3: And I was just like, really fascinated by that history,

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01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 3: and so I just like to hear bts about anything

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01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 3: that I love, and just so I am motivated now

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01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 3: to go watch the DVD commentary because I haven't seen

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01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 3: that movie in a long time. I am curious how

1325
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 3: hard I could cry now today, I wonder if I

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01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 3: can match myself at eleven.

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Speaker 1: I can't figure out how you guys can even stand

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01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,680
Speaker 1: given the fact that you have the schedules that you have,

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01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 1: not just with the podcast, with everything else, with the

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01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: awards that you just did with and with the press

1331
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:37,560
Speaker 1: obligations that you have, with working your other jobs, with

1332
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: acting like that, and then being such loyal good friends

1333
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 1: to your friends, spending time with all the friends, and

1334
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 1: trying to consume culture, which I don't understand. How you

1335
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: make time to see all these things. I don't have that.

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01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 1: I don't have that capacity, and it's extraordinary. And I

1337
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 1: brought this up to you on set. I was like,

1338
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:57,759
Speaker 1: how do you do it all? I don't.

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01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 2: The thing that suffers most for me is consuming more culture.

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01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 2: It's the thing that and I'm unqualified to host this

1341
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 2: podcast or where I'm like, I've always said that, But.

1342
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 3: Here's the thing though, like everything we do is fun,

1343
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 3: Like we have fun doing all the things that we're

1344
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 3: fun and fun and uh, Storm of.

1345
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: Gonza so amazing. I love I love that that line

1346
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: gets used in the Trails a lot, which there's a

1347
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 1: Glamazonian Express. It's one of the great trailers in recent memory.

1348
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: I was if you y'all best to be playing this

1349
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 1: as a drama.

1350
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 3: Now, being like because you don't know, Like I was like,

1351
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 3: am I doing this completely? Traady goes oh dead ass.

1352
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 1: It's just all you do is go kick up to

1353
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: soap opera. That's it.

1354
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 3: But because everything is so absurd, there's in particular, there's

1355
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 3: one joke where we're in the press room just bleep this.

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01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just I'll just tell you. It's like I

1357
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 1: maybe I won't tell you, I don't tell me, but

1358
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: that he's a great scene. Absurd, Like it's so insane. Well,

1359
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 1: especially what happened with like that was like, yeah, that

1360
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: was like the dumbest thing that I was like, that's

1361
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It was so dumb thing upon dumb

1362
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 1: thing upon dumb thing. Adam did cut me. Yeah, it's all.

1363
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 3: He cut me swallowing a sword. And I think it's

1364
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 3: because I couldn't say swallow a sword. It's that I

1365
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 3: took out a sword and I swallowed it and it

1366
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,719
Speaker 3: wasn't in the Maybe that'll be in the bonus feature.

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01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: Sure, No, I wanted to end on Rubing's trust me

1368
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: you did the right. Movie didn't need me swallowing a sword.

1369
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 1: It did, and that people want to other movies do though. Yeah,

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01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: it just ask Adam for the b roll. Yeah, yeah,

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01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: for sure, Yeah that's happening. I am. This is thrilling

1372
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:06,639
Speaker 1: that that this is all coming in as a boop

1373
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: of real. We are always saying bring back the blooper

1374
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 1: real always. There was no way I was not doing

1375
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: a blooper reel. This second I saw the first cut,

1376
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 1: I was like, let's start putting and rue and I

1377
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 1: made the bloop of real.

1378
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 3: I was so happy about it. I was very very

1379
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:24,600
Speaker 3: thrilled about that. That that see, and that is I

1380
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 3: guess the message I would. I would imparton everyone.

1381
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: Like it's the movie. It's like the movies, you remember, Yes,

1382
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying it's like, it's like, it's.

1383
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 3: Just fun and it's so it's it's for you if

1384
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 3: you're watching it at home and it's coming out such

1385
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 3: a fun time. I'm also so happy that it comes

1386
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 3: out right before the Cultural Awards airs, because we were

1387
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 3: so excited to welcome so many of the cast of

1388
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 3: Stop That Train on the Cultural Who was there it

1389
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 3: was Rachel Bloom, who, by the way, is the lead

1390
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 3: of the film. Something that's kind of Simone Simon Reue

1391
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:04,480
Speaker 3: you he of course, money money.

1392
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was there was, there was, there

1393
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:11,600
Speaker 1: was crawling would stop that train before it was underfoot.

1394
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 1: Everywhere you look there was a stop that. Yes, she

1395
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 1: has one of the stupidest lines in the movie that

1396
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: she delivers so blankly that it's it's it's it's absolutely insane.

1397
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 1: It's it's she can do it all. She's so blegend

1398
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: she's na, she's just and boy did she work that

1399
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 1: fucking Culture Award.

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01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 2: God, Oh my god, let's manifest and put something out

1401
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:49,560
Speaker 2: into the through because I feel like your breadth is

1402
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 2: so wonderful and expansive as a director.

1403
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 1: But what what what do you still want to do?

1404
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: I want to do thriller I want to do. I

1405
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:57,719
Speaker 1: want to I want to bring back to the Ashley

1406
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 1: Judd like the Jeopardy like a double Jeopardy kind of thing. Yeah,

1407
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 1: all that. I want that. That is a genre that

1408
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 1: I miss. It's the woman in peril who wins. Yeah,

1409
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 1: and I love that. Jayla was doing a lot of that. Yeah,

1410
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 1: yeah you did.

1411
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 3: You also directed on my favorite Jlo's Wedding Planner, my

1412
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 3: first movie.

1413
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: That's so crazy. That is something I can't it's shocking

1414
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: to you. Can I ask you a question in song? Please?

1415
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 1: How can I plan on for when I have a

1416
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 1: lot of stories, the stories about that movie.

1417
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 3: That song, well, it's like a scene where Jayla has

1418
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 3: been dejected and tossed away.

1419
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 1: How could I plan on forever? He's the wedding planner

1420
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 1: when I never planned on you? Can you tell a

1421
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 1: Jayla story? Can I tell you your podcast? She was

1422
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: one of the few after that didn't mention me on

1423
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 1: your podcast, so I said, no, I love I love

1424
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 1: Jennifer she. I will tell you this. She was rapidly

1425
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: on the rise when we made that movie. Do you

1426
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 1: remember who she was dating at the time? No, Diddy? Correct?

1427
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 1: Oh yes, correct? Now? At the time. Also, that was

1428
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 1: crazy because Bridget Everett was dating before she married Pete Sampress, Jay,

1429
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:33,719
Speaker 1: Jennifer was with Diddy. You said, Bridget Bridget Wilson, Bridget Wilson.

1430
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: Sorry Wilson, Sorry, Bridget Everett. Oh sorry, So Bridget Wilson,

1431
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 1: bridge Bridget Ever number thirty, Bridget evert Bridget Everett just

1432
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: texted me baby. So that's why I was thinking for So,

1433
01:19:52,960 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: Bridget Wilson married was pre Mary, Pete Sampress, Matthew McConaughey

1434
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 1: was loosely linked to Sandra Bullock, and Jennifer was with Diddy,

1435
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: and all of them were visiting on my first movie,

1436
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 1: Sandy Diddy and Pete Sanders. Honestly though, at the time

1437
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: that's where all the money in Hollywood was sports music

1438
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 1: and it was and I was like just trying to

1439
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 1: get my first Jennifer who Jennifer and I at that

1440
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 1: time were very, very locked intoge we were we were

1441
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: brothers sister down during the making of that movie and

1442
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 1: like I remember when we were this was actually really funny.

1443
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: We went to we went to uh we were that

1444
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 1: place flowly in up by San Francisco where they did

1445
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 1: the Spa retreat that those scenes where they went to

1446
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 1: the spa and we were there. It's like an hour

1447
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,640
Speaker 1: outside of San Francisco, and we were there and it

1448
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 1: was the day that the No Strings Attached was coming out,

1449
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 1: the in Sync album, and we sent a pa into

1450
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 1: San Francisco to go get the DVD the CD, to

1451
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 1: go get wow this because you wanted it. We wanted it.

1452
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: We wanted to hear it. We hadn't heard anything of

1453
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 1: it and it was getting released and Jennifer and I

1454
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,560
Speaker 1: were super yanked to hear it. And I have a

1455
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 1: picture of us sitting on the lawn outside of fillowly

1456
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 1: her her hair and makeup people. One is brushing her hair,

1457
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 1: one is touching up her lips. I'm laying on her lap,

1458
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 1: and we're listening to the first thing that Jennifer turned

1459
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 1: to me and she goes, there are no Backstreet Boys anymore.

1460
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:53,679
Speaker 1: I was just like, damn girl, Like she she knew

1461
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 1: that that album was about to just wipe that that.

1462
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 1: Remember how huge that album? Major? It was mad?

1463
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it kind of because there had been Millennium and

1464
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,680
Speaker 3: that felt like the biggest deal and then in Sync just.

1465
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 2: No Attached huge, Yeah, And and jen Digital Digital, get down,

1466
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:14,520
Speaker 2: just do any.

1467
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 4: So.

1468
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 1: But I remember like that was also very traumatic though,

1469
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 1: because when that movie came out, basically I think it

1470
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 1: was number one for three weeks. Huge, but the reviews,

1471
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:34,640
Speaker 1: somebody texted me and said, Mark Sheman actually texted me

1472
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: and he said, how does it feel to be the

1473
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 1: most hated man in America? They literally like called me

1474
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 1: the Jeffrey Dahmer of the DGA. It was like they

1475
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 1: were like it was like the headlines were so mean,

1476
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:54,679
Speaker 1: and anything she was attached to and anything he needed

1477
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 1: to have a strong reaction to it. Yeah. I was

1478
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:00,759
Speaker 1: warned that people don't you know, rom coms general unless

1479
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 1: they are like Julia Robertson got unfavorable reviews. They still

1480
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: know that, and so well, good news. You killed them.

1481
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: So thanks, thanks everyone out there. You killed them. It

1482
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: was right, I feel Yeah, but that was that was wild.

1483
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 1: That was wild. Yeah, but yeah, I got I got

1484
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 1: a lot of so oh I'll tell you another good Jennifer. Sorry,

1485
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 1: So we were outside doing the horseback riding thing where

1486
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 1: she's on the runaway horse. Do you remember that's up

1487
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 1: on a runaway horse. This is after she was almost

1488
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: hit by the by the trash chairs. You saved my shoes,

1489
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 1: you said my shoe. Yeah. The two of them together

1490
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 1: was that was comedy. The two of them together was

1491
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 1: the most I do too. I love that man. There's

1492
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 1: nothing but goodness in his that part that is that

1493
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:51,600
Speaker 1: that is just kindness and goodness that runs through that

1494
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: man's fans. Anyway, so Jennifer, the day we were supposed

1495
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 1: to be out there, Sony shut us down for a

1496
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 1: day so that Jennifer could go to the Grammys. And

1497
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 1: at that Grammys, the dress and I saw the big

1498
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 1: but Sony, who is making the wedding planner, shut us down.

1499
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:11,519
Speaker 1: They paid for us to shut down for the day

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01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:12,799
Speaker 1: so she could go to the Grammy.

1501
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 3: Wow.

1502
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 1: And and then she came the next day and walked in,

1503
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 1: and I walked in. I was like, and she she

1504
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 1: just looked at me and and I just was shaking mind.

1505
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm a fucked it up. And I was like,

1506
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, girl was born, and at Google

1507
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 1: image was born. But on that day then it ended

1508
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: up being Jennifer Famously. Obviously, were's a lot of clip closs.

1509
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 1: I mean, she always has that beautiful shine on her lip,

1510
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 1: that glass lip and on this beautiful day the temperature

1511
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: dropped to like zero, and we were doing the part

1512
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,719
Speaker 1: where they were like and we were in that Disney

1513
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 1: back lot like ranch at Disney Ranch, and Matthew's walking

1514
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 1: her down the house and her call Froze FROs and like,

1515
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: while we were talking, I noticed that she was suddenly

1516
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 1: having troubles, like she was like at any day I was.

1517
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 1: I was like, this is the greatest thing that I've

1518
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 1: ever seen the entire life.

1519
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 2: But it was.

1520
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 1: God. We had so much fun making that movie though,

1521
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 1: the two of us, Like, I really to watch It's

1522
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 1: so fun to watch. I love that movie. That is

1523
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 1: a silly, silly movie, like the like her apartment would

1524
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 1: be like four and a half million dollars back then,

1525
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 1: and her hair is absurd. It's like, it's so done.

1526
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 1: I neede that movie to be like an old nineteen

1527
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: forties movie. Yeah, that's what I wanted it to be.

1528
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 1: Everything's a little too big, everything's a little to pretty.

1529
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 1: Of course, the Flower budget on that thing was practically

1530
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 1: a budget, Like it was crazy, but you picked the

1531
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 1: important stuff. Again, it has to be like aesthetically something

1532
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 1: like that thing. I mean, that's what John I honestly

1533
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:00,679
Speaker 1: love you. I love this song. What do you think?

1534
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 5: I think it's perfect?

1535
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:08,640
Speaker 1: First see me shot? Wow? Fact that was that car?

1536
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 1: That was that was that was a tough day day one,

1537
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 1: no day one was there. The opening moments were stressful,

1538
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 1: but for another time. Many of stories there. But uh yeah,

1539
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 1: so I can't remember what I did earlier today, But

1540
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 1: I can literally remember everything. Isn't that always? Always like

1541
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:35,719
Speaker 1: it's always how it is? Do you have that about

1542
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: Wicked where like you just can you? I? Yes, absolutely

1543
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 1: Wicked was.

1544
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 2: There's there's like different moments of it where I'm like, yes,

1545
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 2: I remember this vividly, and then there are other moments

1546
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 2: of it where I'm like I was on a plane

1547
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 2: like like like I was that was a really tough

1548
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 2: time you.

1549
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 1: I I was going through it with you on the podcast.

1550
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: I felt everything. I think I even texted you a

1551
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:01,680
Speaker 1: couple of times, but I I was concerned about you,

1552
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 1: and I was concerned about you when you broke up

1553
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: with the guy like I like I thought, I was like,

1554
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 1: this is the weird thing about podcast friendships. Like I

1555
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 1: was like, it's strange knowing you when I have you

1556
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 1: with me so much of the time. It's just a

1557
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 1: flavor of it's a it's a different like, it's a

1558
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 1: new flavor of friendship. Yeah, you know this is all fake.

1559
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 1: This is this is you know, this is a fake.

1560
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 1: It's been hugely success standard. No, I know, I don't

1561
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 1: even know you guys figured out you pulled that woolf

1562
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: so far. Guys. My wife's name is Terry, kind of

1563
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 1: a gay name. I have two kids.

1564
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 2: I legit want to write a play that is like

1565
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 2: a director of great renown and success. I gotta I

1566
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 2: basically have to option your life. I want to write

1567
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 2: the movie no like I like to play, but just

1568
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 2: one one one one set on stage of just the

1569
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 2: what you're what you described of like watching your movie

1570
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 2: but like trying like not really well.

1571
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like, you know, because you've had so many

1572
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 1: varied I've worn a lot of hats between the dancer, choreographer,

1573
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 1: TV personality director or all the other ship, you know,

1574
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 1: all the stuff that I've done. I have garnered a

1575
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 1: lot of stories, and I've been in a lot of

1576
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 1: rooms and not as the featured player in many of them,

1577
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 1: and so there's been a lot of fly on the

1578
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 1: wall stuff that I've seen and and then there's some

1579
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 1: stuff where I have been sort of the featured player

1580
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 1: where and it's been fairly extraordinary, and and I you know,

1581
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 1: sometimes people are like, are you going to write a book?

1582
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, absolutely not. There's no freaking way, because

1583
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 1: it would there's no way for it to not end

1584
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 1: up taking down some people. And I would never. I

1585
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:53,759
Speaker 1: would never, because you can't have a story without conflict.

1586
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: There's no good story that happens without coming well, you have.

1587
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 3: To either be willing to say I guess for me,

1588
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 3: I think about that too, like whether or not down

1589
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 3: the road, I would write like some sort of you know.

1590
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 1: I've witnessed people being really terrible. Yeah, that's the thing is.

1591
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 1: It's like I would do it if I but only

1592
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 1: if it was all was a story I was trying

1593
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 1: to tell, like if there was something of.

1594
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 3: Value to be learned from things, and that would but

1595
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 3: that would be the only way that I think it

1596
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:24,719
Speaker 3: will be worth it. In a in a voyeuristic world

1597
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 3: like the one that we live in, where people just

1598
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 3: get off on knowing anything or being privy to information

1599
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 3: that they shouldn't, there is gaining from it, were.

1600
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 1: Exact from it, I just like there's nothing. There's nothing

1601
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 1: my what I my legacy hopefully is going to be

1602
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:45,639
Speaker 1: when I'm gone. But my good relationships were with people

1603
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 1: and the way that I treated people and the and

1604
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 1: hopefully you know, like it's not like I've always been

1605
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 1: great to everybody, but I try really really hard, and

1606
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 1: I'm also and I want I want to be known

1607
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 1: as nice, you know. I mean again, it sounds you wouldn't.

1608
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 3: Necessarily be known as not nice if you told your

1609
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 3: story and the characters in it are ones that we know,

1610
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 3: it would just be you being I guess pick and

1611
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 3: choosy about like what you share. There's such a thing

1612
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 3: called a fake name, sir.

1613
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 2: This is the thing because people like grill us all

1614
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 2: the time, ever since Tina fe was like authenticity just expensive,

1615
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:29,640
Speaker 2: Like you guys aren't as authentic anymore, are you. It's like,

1616
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 2: it's not about us being authentic or inauthentic to ourselves.

1617
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:39,680
Speaker 2: It's that we know that if we say it out

1618
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 2: loud on a microphone, it will be interpreted and likely

1619
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 2: misinterpreted by people. Yeah, it will be like there will

1620
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 2: be a game of telephone that happens where I don't know.

1621
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:53,760
Speaker 2: It's like the context doesn't really matter anymore. People just

1622
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 2: want like bax or tig or something along the lines

1623
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 2: of like, but which is fine, totally valid. But to

1624
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 2: equate that with like being inauthentic is always confusing to me.

1625
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 2: It's like, well, it's I don't know.

1626
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 1: It's like when when an act of kindness is interpreted

1627
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:14,320
Speaker 1: as manipulation, you know what I mean, Like you know, like, ah,

1628
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: but would you have really done like is that self

1629
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 1: serving in some way? And I was like, well, I mean,

1630
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 1: I guess I get the hit of like I did

1631
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 1: a nice thing, but I didn't do it for that hit, right,

1632
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 1: And And that's what I mean.

1633
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 3: Though, if you want, if you ever had the desire

1634
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 3: to tell your story, you should tell it because you

1635
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:36,559
Speaker 3: have so many You have a story to tell. Of course,

1636
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 3: you have stories to tell and to share, but you

1637
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 3: also have a story to tell, and you are such

1638
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 3: an amazing storyteller. But who knows, maybe one day you

1639
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 3: will want to do your little fableman's.

1640
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:48,599
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like, who knows, there's well

1641
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 1: there you would be well, Like, for example, somebody got

1642
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:54,600
Speaker 1: ahead of me and my sister and they made the

1643
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:58,640
Speaker 1: movie of my childhood, which was sex education. I had

1644
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 1: a sex therapist mother and an attorney dad. But we

1645
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 1: grew up here and my sister and I always were like,

1646
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:06,880
Speaker 1: we've got to put together because my sister gave me

1647
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 1: my first job, my my first directing job. My sister

1648
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 1: produced wedding Planner. Wow and.

1649
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 5: Nebotism.

1650
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:16,800
Speaker 1: She couldn't. Actually she couldn't. Actually I'm such a baby. No,

1651
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 1: she no. She I was about to direct my first

1652
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 1: my short film which I made, and she sent me

1653
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 1: the script and I read it and I was like, oh, well,

1654
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 1: you're my thoughts on She said, would you eman meet

1655
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:29,680
Speaker 1: with the studio. I met with the studio. They hired me,

1656
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 1: and that's how that went. But they didn't hire me

1657
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 1: because of that anyway, that's cool. Yeah, and she and

1658
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 1: I had a deal at Disney for over a decade

1659
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 1: and she's great. You guys would love her.

1660
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:49,720
Speaker 2: And uh or your good storytellers is what Matt's saying.

1661
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 2: Like you you you you should feel compelled to tell

1662
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 2: your story.

1663
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 1: If not, Yeah, and I have like and there's like

1664
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:57,680
Speaker 1: dark days that I would make very funny about, you know,

1665
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 1: during like the ship that I got into during my

1666
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:03,679
Speaker 1: heavy using and all that was like it's it's dark

1667
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 1: as it usually is. Yeah, if it hadn't gotten dark,

1668
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 1: I'd still be doing it. Well, we veered into I

1669
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, territory, So why don't we just

1670
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: do that?

1671
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 3: Do it? This is our sixty second segment where we

1672
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 3: pop off. Actually we've never we haven't really really said it.

1673
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 3: And I don't think Sonny is just popping off.

1674
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 1: That's really all it is.

1675
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 2: And you get down to it and I have one. Okay,

1676
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:29,599
Speaker 2: this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many time

1677
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 2: starts now, I don't think.

1678
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 1: So, honey.

1679
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 3: Steven Spielberg, Oh do you think you're gonna own June twelfth? Bitch,

1680
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 3: We're gonna see you there. Disclosure day more like stop

1681
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 3: that train day. Yeah, Steven Spielberg is doing a movie

1682
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 3: about aliens. Yeah, I saw that back in the seventies.

1683
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 3: You know what, I haven't seen drag Queen's on a train.

1684
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 3: I haven't seen a drag Queen president. I haven't seen

1685
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 3: Rue Paul as President Judy Gagwell, well I may have

1686
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 3: seen it because I was in the Oval office with her,

1687
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:58,560
Speaker 3: the fake one, which guess what isn't as much despair

1688
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:05,040
Speaker 3: in this film any room is in disclosure day. Oh

1689
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 3: what the alien's gonna come get us? Well, guess what,

1690
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:11,679
Speaker 3: guess who's gonna come get us? And stop that train? Hm,

1691
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 3: I kind of forget the plot. Actually, storm a Ganza

1692
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 3: to me, Aliens, you could never handle a storm agonza.

1693
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 1: This is really good stuff.

1694
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 3: Hey, mister Spielberg, mister director, take a seat and take

1695
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 3: a hike.

1696
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 1: And that's one minute.

1697
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 2: Dude.

1698
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 1: This is harder than I thought, just because in real

1699
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:38,799
Speaker 1: time one minute is long. It is, so you always

1700
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 1: have like twenty seconds of gas and then you're like, yeah,

1701
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:47,640
Speaker 1: just just just paste it out. But you know you

1702
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:51,439
Speaker 1: posted this. They're calling, they're calling the barb STD stop

1703
01:34:51,520 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 1: that disclosure day. Yeah. I think you guys will be

1704
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 1: just fine. I think we're gonna do great. It would

1705
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 1: be nice. I know we're gonna do okay, I think

1706
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:08,080
Speaker 1: or I don't know anything, but they like, okay, here's

1707
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:10,760
Speaker 1: the priest whatever, and so I don't. I don't know.

1708
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:13,040
Speaker 1: It's like when there's the studio machine behind it, I

1709
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 1: really know what's going on all of that. But I've

1710
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 1: also I've also like I've just I've just given over

1711
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 1: to the gods on this one because we're also existing

1712
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 1: in a time where there is so much homophobia, Like

1713
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 1: I don't know who's gonna rise up. I mean, there's

1714
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 1: the heated rivalry of it all, and there's it's gonna

1715
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:34,599
Speaker 1: do amazing, it's gonna do. It be great if people

1716
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:36,720
Speaker 1: will allow themselves to go and drag there straight from

1717
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:38,640
Speaker 1: because by the way, straight people are laughing harder than

1718
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 1: the gay people because it's just funny. Because it's funny.

1719
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't punch at anyone particularly. And then, okay, are

1720
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:49,840
Speaker 1: you ready to do your things? Honey? I do, And

1721
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 1: I think this will cause a huge debate. Okay, okay,

1722
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 1: this is bowen yangs. I don't think so, honey. Time

1723
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so, honey.

1724
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 2: Apparently you're not supposed to talk to people when they

1725
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:01,920
Speaker 2: have wet hair. I was talking to a friend and

1726
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:03,640
Speaker 2: he was like, well, I saw this woman, but she

1727
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 2: was in the elevator but her hair was wet, so I.

1728
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 1: Couldn't talk to her.

1729
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 2: I was like, is this a rule that, like, especially

1730
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:13,360
Speaker 2: with longer haired people, if their hair is wet, the

1731
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:18,960
Speaker 2: etiquette is you don't engage in conversation with them. I'm

1732
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 2: losing my mind at the notion that there's an unspoken

1733
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:25,639
Speaker 2: rule that I now have the bravery to say out

1734
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 2: loud that you're not supposed to someone when the hair

1735
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 2: is if our hairs, if our hairs were wet.

1736
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 1: We'd be like, oh, sure, Adam's hair is wet, Man's

1737
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:35,559
Speaker 1: hair is wet, bones hair is wet.

1738
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 2: But let's say, like if Anna's hair was wet, we're

1739
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:41,479
Speaker 2: not supposed to like ask her why it's wet. It's like, well, clear,

1740
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:43,160
Speaker 2: she came out of the shower, but it's like, but

1741
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 2: apparently it's like disrespectful to engage in conversation with someone

1742
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 2: if the hair is wet. Like to back, I don't

1743
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:55,600
Speaker 2: don't try to invent these new rules. Etiquette is for squares.

1744
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:56,800
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about this.

1745
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. You are so brave. Why did

1746
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:01,439
Speaker 1: they say it?

1747
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:05,639
Speaker 2: And what was then my friend, the great my friend

1748
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:10,000
Speaker 2: named Jesse over dinner, he was just like, yeah, it

1749
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:13,800
Speaker 2: was just this woman was wanted film about this woman

1750
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 2: in film festival. I'd seen like, you know, the night

1751
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:16,680
Speaker 2: before and then and then we were staying at the

1752
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 2: same hotel and then the the elevator doors are but

1753
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 2: her hair was wet.

1754
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:21,200
Speaker 1: So I didn't want to say Hi. Well, maybe.

1755
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a thing where like it's like, oh,

1756
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 3: you can't talk to a woman with wet hair.

1757
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 1: I think he just felt I don't. I don't want

1758
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 1: to know because because I think that her did the

1759
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:37,639
Speaker 1: wetness of her hair create a thing that felt inappropriately intimate?

1760
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 1: Heard of this, I think we're about to the people

1761
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:50,479
Speaker 1: will come out from the shadows after this. Don't you

1762
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 1: know what the problem is? He just let the genie

1763
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:55,479
Speaker 1: out of the bottle. Yeah, I know it's are going

1764
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:57,800
Speaker 1: to be like I don't want to be spoken to

1765
01:37:58,080 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 1: my hair.

1766
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 2: I'm telling them below, I'm telling you it's a thing

1767
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 2: apparently like if someone has their hair wet, it's like

1768
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 2: you can't engage, you.

1769
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 1: Can't ask them. Pools and features are gonna be a

1770
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 1: night with no talking to any of the women hang

1771
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:23,639
Speaker 1: out with anyway. Okay, Adam, do you have one?

1772
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 2: I do?

1773
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 1: I do. Hold on, let me just say, because I've

1774
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:31,120
Speaker 1: done a couple, Okay, I'll just meld. I'm gonna I'm

1775
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 1: gonna free ball it. I'm gonna I'm this this is

1776
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:38,680
Speaker 1: commando a little bit. Okay, this is Adam Shakman's I

1777
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:40,679
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I don't

1778
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 1: think so honey. People who give me side I or

1779
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 1: puff out their chest when they see me living my

1780
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 1: life at the gym, dancing around. I am listening to

1781
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 1: Doja Cat. Yes, I am listening to do I am

1782
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 1: listening to New Madonna. I am like I'm having the

1783
01:38:56,360 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 1: time of my life. I was once dancer who danced

1784
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 1: for like Paul Abduel and Jim A Jack Procession. I

1785
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:06,120
Speaker 1: lived my life back then, and that was the happiest

1786
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:09,040
Speaker 1: I've ever been. I had no responsibilities and when, and

1787
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:12,680
Speaker 1: it is a signifier of how fat, how happy I am.

1788
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 1: So if I'm in the gym and I have them

1789
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:18,720
Speaker 1: bitches in my ear, yes, giving me life and I

1790
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 1: am popping, do not give me like the ill or

1791
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 1: like what's that gay doing? Or things like that. First

1792
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:28,680
Speaker 1: of all, I don't really dance gay. I don't even

1793
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 1: know what dancing gay. Well, I kind of know what

1794
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:33,479
Speaker 1: dancing gay is. But I'm in there. I'm in there living,

1795
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 1: and you know what, maybe I am partographing some new

1796
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,439
Speaker 1: piece of entertainment that you're about to consume. Please, I

1797
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 1: don't think so honey, you're saying, so, honey, you giving

1798
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 1: me side at the gym while I live my life.

1799
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:47,560
Speaker 1: By the way, nothing I've ever done is side. I

1800
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:50,880
Speaker 1: am always in a There is a lot of peacocking

1801
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:54,720
Speaker 1: and preening, and there is a lot of a very

1802
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:58,439
Speaker 1: specific kind of influencer like body pride, right, and and

1803
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 1: there is and it does feel replete with judgment, like horrible,

1804
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 1: like it's so.

1805
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:07,600
Speaker 2: First thought of course, like I want this male peacocking

1806
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:11,960
Speaker 2: body fashism at like the grove, and I want to

1807
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:14,839
Speaker 2: where you least expected. By the way, what about those.

1808
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 1: Guys who are are like straight, but they're like into

1809
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:20,880
Speaker 1: yoga and they're doing handstands and walking across the floor

1810
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:23,919
Speaker 1: on their hands, and I don't I give them their flowers?

1811
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 2: Like you do you?

1812
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:29,559
Speaker 1: You do you? Baby? Like I'm like, I like, I'm

1813
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:32,720
Speaker 1: just standing right by my little smith machine and I'm

1814
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 1: just bumping away. I'm just like, you know, you're not

1815
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:38,360
Speaker 1: taking up a lot of space. No, you were, you were,

1816
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 1: I'm like across the floor. You're not a stormgonza.

1817
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:46,800
Speaker 2: You can use your body in whatever way you wish,

1818
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:50,080
Speaker 2: as long as it's like like within.

1819
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 1: God, this got so hot it was sad, then it

1820
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:59,000
Speaker 1: was hot. This is the best podcast ever in a

1821
01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:00,800
Speaker 1: sad hot episode. Yeah.

1822
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 3: Well, honestly, I hope to see your creations on drag Race.

1823
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:08,960
Speaker 3: Well they will you go back and do more?

1824
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 1: I feel like you just have me, but I don't know.

1825
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 1: I told him that I wanted speaking of a full

1826
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:16,839
Speaker 1: circle moment. The last thing I did was Star Booty Ruzical,

1827
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:20,280
Speaker 1: and I felt not happy with that one for me,

1828
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:24,680
Speaker 1: and so I want to I need a redemption. You

1829
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:27,680
Speaker 1: need a redemption. You're gonna get a redemption. Way, just

1830
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 1: close up on that.

1831
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 3: They never did make that Starboody movie, but it was

1832
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:33,760
Speaker 3: offered to me that weekend and then I found out

1833
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:37,640
Speaker 3: on Monday. Never mind, because they wanted they wanted to

1834
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 3: be someone they wanted to it was. So they asked

1835
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:42,400
Speaker 3: me to write it as like an Austin Powers movie,

1836
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 3: and I did, and then they were go, never mind,

1837
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,000
Speaker 3: Rue wants to do like it to be more like

1838
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:51,360
Speaker 3: Black Exploitation, and and then they go, but he still

1839
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:52,840
Speaker 3: would love for you to write it, And I was like,

1840
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:54,519
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm the person that.

1841
01:41:57,439 --> 01:42:01,599
Speaker 1: Would be tricky. Yeah, that's that. That was twenty nineteen,

1842
01:42:02,479 --> 01:42:03,240
Speaker 1: isn't they're crazy.

1843
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:07,320
Speaker 2: It's sitting somewhere, someone's working on it. I just said, geez, Louise,

1844
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:11,920
Speaker 2: that's how old I am, Louise. You do Yeah, exactly

1845
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:12,719
Speaker 2: is Louise.

1846
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:16,360
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Sing out Louise. That's who she is.

1847
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 2: So it's another right back to gay pride. No, it

1848
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 2: should be someone named Louis christ. I think it's Jesus's cousin.

1849
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:28,559
Speaker 1: Louisa Riis Jesus Louise.

1850
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:32,640
Speaker 3: Louisa's Jesus had a Luigi, just like Mario Louis' Louis's.

1851
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:35,559
Speaker 1: Let's right, let's pitch that animated show. I'm in for.

1852
01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:41,040
Speaker 2: A network or whatever. I have some really fun ideas

1853
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:44,559
Speaker 2: I think we should do. We would rock Christian cartoon show.

1854
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:48,240
Speaker 1: I made when okay, so how about this after Walker?

1855
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 1: Remember they buried me. I never did one lick of

1856
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:53,240
Speaker 1: press for Walk to remember because I was a gay

1857
01:42:53,360 --> 01:43:01,160
Speaker 1: Jew and there and they I didn't do any that's

1858
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 1: crazy and so they. But when the movie came out

1859
01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:10,320
Speaker 1: and was a success, I got a letter from the

1860
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:14,720
Speaker 1: head of the Crystal Cathedral and he like, there was

1861
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 1: in the letter it has something to do thank you

1862
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:21,439
Speaker 1: being for the new voice of Christianity. I was like, girl, girl,

1863
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:23,000
Speaker 1: this is like when I got a scholarship from the

1864
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:27,320
Speaker 1: Mormon church in suburban Colorado. It was I was looking

1865
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:32,000
Speaker 1: around going like, this is comedy. I've never seen anyone

1866
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:33,840
Speaker 1: more Christian and more Mormon than you.

1867
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:40,120
Speaker 2: Me yay, yay, look, well stop that train is out.

1868
01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:44,000
Speaker 2: June twelfth is there is time in my life with Adam,

1869
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:47,559
Speaker 2: my first parasocial bestie. Wow.

1870
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:52,760
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm really really grateful for all that you

1871
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:58,240
Speaker 1: have given me in terms of like you're just being

1872
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:00,920
Speaker 1: authentic and doing what you're doing and having these conversations

1873
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:03,599
Speaker 1: with people. And it's funny now because I can tell

1874
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:05,200
Speaker 1: when they're going well now and when they're not going

1875
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:06,639
Speaker 1: as well as you want them to be. But it's

1876
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 1: a bit because I don't.

1877
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:11,600
Speaker 3: Wait, I'm actually curious, and I'm not going to cut it.

1878
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 3: I'm not, but we're not going to respond. What's the

1879
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:14,720
Speaker 3: time you didn't think it went well?

1880
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:16,720
Speaker 1: And you can be honest where I felt like where

1881
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:18,920
Speaker 1: I felt it's not that it didn't go well, I'm sorry,

1882
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:22,679
Speaker 1: it's where you guys were felt more tense, less free. Sure, yeah,

1883
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 1: I'll have to go back and remember, but no, no, no,

1884
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:28,160
Speaker 1: I will have to go back and remember, because did

1885
01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:29,280
Speaker 1: you think we were with Jennifer?

1886
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:34,840
Speaker 2: I thought you were fine, But we ended up having

1887
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:36,720
Speaker 2: a great time because we were like it was like

1888
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,800
Speaker 2: a Sunday, it was like after it, she is.

1889
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:45,160
Speaker 1: Jennifer is is a big present and she turns into

1890
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:47,719
Speaker 1: super like a girl.

1891
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:48,920
Speaker 2: She did.

1892
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:52,280
Speaker 1: I thought we immediately got her liking us and on

1893
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:54,680
Speaker 1: our side, and she had She had an amazing time

1894
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:57,120
Speaker 1: and she even DMed me after great.

1895
01:44:57,240 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 2: I mean, no one ever m and she was generally

1896
01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:01,720
Speaker 2: after the after the mix ruptures like that was so

1897
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:02,240
Speaker 2: much fun.

1898
01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:02,639
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1899
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just that it's just about with Jennifer. There

1900
01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:10,360
Speaker 1: is so much authenticity, but there's also there's been so

1901
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:12,680
Speaker 1: much pain and so much protector and she and she's

1902
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 1: so and she's very and it's important that she protect

1903
01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:18,160
Speaker 1: herself and she always has. I liked listening to you

1904
01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:20,800
Speaker 1: guys talk to Nicole. That was fun. I love that

1905
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:25,639
Speaker 1: John Waters was fun, but it's it felt like very

1906
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:31,439
Speaker 1: There was nothing it's all good, like it's all great,

1907
01:45:31,479 --> 01:45:35,040
Speaker 1: but like with John, he's just like an older guy.

1908
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:37,519
Speaker 2: Can I tell you that was the first episode in

1909
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:40,200
Speaker 2: a lot in years where I was like, well, I

1910
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:43,920
Speaker 2: was very, very nervous throughout the entire time. I didn't

1911
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 2: feel like with Nicole Kidman, didn't feel like like more

1912
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:48,800
Speaker 2: like our other like a listers. But John wanted that

1913
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:49,960
Speaker 2: he's just someone who's so important.

1914
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:52,640
Speaker 1: There's just like certain people like by the way, I

1915
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:55,200
Speaker 1: would have the same fucking thing like the It's not

1916
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:58,360
Speaker 1: like like I think it took me a while to

1917
01:45:58,439 --> 01:46:02,600
Speaker 1: get there today. I was like, no, it's like I'm like,

1918
01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:03,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what am I going to say? What

1919
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:05,840
Speaker 1: are we going to talk about? I'm generally I thought

1920
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:09,240
Speaker 1: this is uncomfortable episode. I'm very I'm generally pretty uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: talking about myself. So it's like, you know, it's like

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Speaker 1: it's the same thing as like walking watching I don't

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Speaker 1: tell anything about my personal life ever, So that's why

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Speaker 1: was sort of a thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're really happy that you shared that story because

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Speaker 3: I think so many more people have a version of it.

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Speaker 1: Then then people you know, it's one of those things

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Speaker 1: that it's just to talk about, like being a sex worker,

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Speaker 1: because more of us are sex workers than media. But

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Speaker 1: would like to be no, but there's but like you know,

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Speaker 1: I'd heard you talk about it, and I was like

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Speaker 1: I was like, it's time. It's time, and I don't

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Speaker 1: feel like I don't feel like I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: like have to wear like I'm a poster boy for

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Speaker 1: like conversion therapy like that, because there was a version

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Speaker 1: for a long time there was I couldn't figure out

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Speaker 1: how to tell the story without indicting my parents.

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Speaker 3: And.

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Speaker 2: And that it took me a while to realize that

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Speaker 2: that is just another wave of pain that was caused

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Speaker 2: and wrought by by the person sort of reading the harm.

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Speaker 2: Our parents were just collateral damage.

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Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, I didn't get over that until I actually

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Speaker 1: had a long sit down with my mom. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: takes that recently, it needs Yeah, and where I was like,

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Speaker 1: can you tell me exactly what you were doing during

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Speaker 1: this period, because I've never gotten into what you actually

1948
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Speaker 1: thought was happening in your experience and your experience of it.

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Speaker 1: And she was lied to, and she was lied to

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Speaker 1: and she was very unhappy about that. So anyway, thank

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Speaker 1: you guys, love this has been amazing. Stop that train

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Speaker 1: this Friday, and we end every episode with a song.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, always remember it was late afternoon, yay, lasted forever.

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Speaker 3: And so soon.

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Speaker 1: You were run by yourself staring out at a dark grace. Guy.

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Speaker 1: I was changed.

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Speaker 6: In places no one Well, Vine, Oh, you're feeling.

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Speaker 1: So deep inside it.

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Speaker 6: Deep was there realize that forever was iis the moment.

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Speaker 3: Of so you c.

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Speaker 1: So fucking much. You can't say you can feel it,

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Speaker 1: you can you can feel it. I remember when they

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Speaker 1: shot the video. I went to the video shoot and

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Speaker 1: I was like, what is it? Because it was for Walker, remember,

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Speaker 1: and they had her like black ass and I was

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Speaker 1: like serving to heaven. And then I was like, heaven't

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Speaker 1: She's like it's like she's a slot, like she was

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Speaker 1: a dut a slot in heaven. Jane. He was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we are gonna use all this too, by the way.

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Speaker 2: By by.

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Speaker 1: Lost Culture.

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Speaker 2: Reastis is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players

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Speaker 2: in iHeartRadio podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, executive

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Speaker 3: produced by Anna hasby A and produced by Becka.

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Speaker 1: Ramos, edited by hot Dog Sandwich, and our music is

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Speaker 1: by Henry Komerski. You heard it, Now see it.

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