1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: It's now time for Cannabis Talk one oh one with Blue, 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Joe Grande and Mark and Craig Wasserman, the Pot Brothers 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: at Law. We're the world's number one podcast for everything cannabis. 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: Ha ha. 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 3: Welcome to Cannabis Talk one on one. 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 4: My name is Blue. Alongside of me is the world 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 4: famous Pot Brothers at Law and mister Joe Gronde and 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 4: we have an amazing show for you today. Joe tell 9 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 4: them what's going on. 10 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 5: But well, first off, thank you everyone for listening to 11 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 5: our podcast, Cannabis Talk one on one on the iHeartRadio app, 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 5: Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts, and make 13 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 5: sure you check out our Instagram pages for daily news, 14 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 5: learn the script, learn the slam poem, all the good 15 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 5: stuff on there, and of course a bunch of the 16 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 5: great things on our personal lives. It's at Cannabis Talk 17 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 5: one on one at. 18 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 3: Pot Underscore Brothers Underscore at Underscore Law. At Wastlaw is 19 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 3: little brother Mark Wasserman. At Washlaw Dog is big brother Craig, and. 20 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 5: At one Christopher Wright is Blue and at Joe Gronde 21 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 5: fifty two is myself And as I said, your name Craig. 22 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 5: The first thing that popped into my mind is how 23 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 5: many laps are you at right now? Because and not 24 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 5: only as we do the show, but when I go 25 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 5: back and listen to the podcast, I'm like the dudes 26 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 5: at like twenty some laps in his pool as we're 27 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 5: all still at home doing this show together. 28 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna lie Craig when I just see 29 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 3: your name. 30 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 5: The first thing that popped in my head is and 31 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 5: I'm sure the listeners out there they're wondering as well. 32 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 3: So we started. 33 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 5: Off with you doing three laps, and this quarantine, we 34 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 5: got up to twenty. 35 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 3: Has it jumped up since then? 36 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, A thirty five, thirty five, I'm actually up to 37 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 6: seventeen laps. 38 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 2: To go in thirty five and went down then you 39 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 2: know I was fifth, I was in. 40 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 6: I never said twenty. 41 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 3: Roll back to the tape. 42 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 6: I never said twenty. 43 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: Fifteen turnovers, not laps back and forth. 44 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 6: No, fifteen is one way, is two ways back and 45 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 6: forth because my poll is about twenty five feet long, 46 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 6: so it's one lap is out both ways. 47 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 5: Well, today we have a special guest with us on 48 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 5: the show, Bonnie Johnson. Now Bonnie Johnson is a registered dietitian, nutritionists, 49 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 5: food industry consultant. She's a speaker, a certified cannabis consultant. 50 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 5: She spends much of her volunteer time educating a variety 51 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 5: of audiences about the benefits and potential risk of using 52 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 5: cannabis to treat chronic pain, anxiety, and zomnia, and other ailments. 53 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 5: As a consultant, she works with food and cannabis industries 54 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 5: to bring science based education to healthcare professionals and category 55 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 5: changing products to the market. Now, Bonnie has a new 56 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 5: article in the spring edition of CRX magazine about anxiety 57 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 5: and cannabis. 58 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 3: We love the magazine. 59 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 5: Everything they represent and put out has been great articles 60 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 5: so far, and they put an amazing article out with 61 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 5: this one as well. And you did tons of research. 62 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 5: You have seven misconceptions about using cannabis for anxiety. We 63 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 5: can't wait to hear all about out them. 64 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 3: Welcome to the show, Bonnie, Thanks Joe, I'm glad to 65 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 3: be here. 66 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 5: Well, it's so good to have you on. Man Before 67 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 5: we get to you and talk about this, you guys. 68 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 5: ESPN had its highest rated show ever with Michael Jordan's 69 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 5: series The Last Dance in My Home. 70 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 3: It's must see TV. 71 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 5: Right, I'm wondering if you guys, even Bonnie yourself have 72 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 5: watched these episodes yet. 73 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 7: Absolutely, I've been watching it religiously with my wife. 74 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: Actually, she's been totally into it. 75 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 3: My wife's in it too, which is great. 76 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's amazing. 77 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 7: Just this the way this uh, this guy operates in 78 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 7: his whole modality of mentality winning at all costs. 79 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 3: Oh, he's he's awesome. What about you, Blue? 80 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 4: You know, I don't see any Chicago Bulls in the 81 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 4: background over there, buddy, All I see is Lakers in 82 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 4: the back. So I'm not sure you're really even a 83 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 4: Jordan fan of mister Grande. 84 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: That's funny. 85 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 5: I actually did an interview with Jordan at the Staples Center, 86 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 5: and it. 87 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 3: Doesn't make you a fan. Hey, greatest of all times? 88 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: What about you, Craig? Have you watched it? 89 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 8: Oh? 90 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 4: You got cut by me like that? Hold on, I'm 91 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 4: not done. I didn't get to see it, But I 92 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 4: do believe Jordan has a work ethic that that a 93 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 4: lot of people didn't recognize. As a young entrepreneur. That 94 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 4: guy he used to say that I look forward to 95 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 4: where the ball is gonna go, not where I'm gonna 96 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 4: throw it or where I'm going to be at. So 97 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 4: I remember those times growing up with them, and I 98 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 4: do remember the three peats and all that stuff when 99 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 4: the Lakers and the Chicago Bulls were going at it. 100 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 3: So, Craig, what about you. 101 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 6: I have not watched it yet. I plan on watching it, 102 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 6: but I have not watched it yet. 103 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 5: You guys, I promise you won't miss out. And you, Bonnie, 104 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 5: have you got a chance to check it out? I 105 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 5: know you're a sports fanatic, as I call you, and 106 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 5: you're on the golf course. 107 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 8: I have seen the first four episodes. I missed this 108 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 8: week's run because it was Mother's Day and I have 109 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 8: five kids to take care of and day. Yes, but 110 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 8: we have, we have watched it religiously. Huge Jordan fan. 111 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 8: I spent eight years in Chicago, and I love the 112 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 8: sport much bigger college basketball fan than the NBA, but 113 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 8: big follower. 114 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 6: Wife, Miss mar missed March Madness. 115 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: That is the best March Madness. 116 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 6: My god, thirty years I've been watching March Madness in Vegas, 117 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 6: actually in Vegas. 118 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 7: Yeah, you know what I took what I'm taking away 119 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 7: from this last dance, Joe, I think about you a lot, 120 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 7: Joe when they show these clips, they show these clips 121 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 7: of Jordan just cussing out his teammates and they and 122 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 7: they really didn't even do anything that bad. 123 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: They maybe they dropped a ball or something. Was it 124 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: was an accident, it was it was. 125 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 7: No, it was just and he just lays into him, 126 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 7: kind of like you laying into my brother and Blue 127 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 7: and we make a little mistake. 128 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: Man, Joe, I don't know, I don't know. 129 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 3: What do you think the cost of winning? It's tough? Yeah, 130 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 3: I agree. 131 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 5: Actually I look at that and go, you know what, 132 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 5: I'm like that too sometimes going off on people. 133 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 3: Why do I want to win so bad? Jeez? Is 134 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 3: that a bad? Is that bad to have? Is that 135 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 3: a not? Absolutely not No. 136 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 5: By the reason I mentioned that show is because in 137 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 5: his rookie year he went into a hotel room and 138 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 5: see some guys doing lines and partying and he didn't partake. 139 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 3: He kind of got out of there real quick. 140 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 5: But it got me thinking, who do you guys think 141 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 5: is the most famous athlete to come out of the 142 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 5: green closet. I'm not talking about doing lines clauset. I'm 143 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 5: talking about the green clauset smoking cannabis. And uh, Mark, 144 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 5: let's start with you, because there's so many athletes that 145 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 5: are out there that have come out are that have 146 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 5: just been caught. And I'm not just talking strictly advocates 147 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 5: that have you know, that are pre like you know, 148 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 5: we just had Kyle Turley onto one of the podcasts 149 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 5: and he says a secure for all and which and 150 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 5: he's a huge advocate. And I believe Matt Barnes is 151 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 5: like the face for cannabis right now as of x 152 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 5: NFL or me ex athletes that is, he's an NBA player. 153 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 5: But in your opinion, who do you see as your 154 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 5: biggest athlete to come out of the green closet. 155 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 7: I gotta go with Ricky Williams. I gotta go with 156 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 7: Ricky Williams. What I think it was, yes, twenty sixteen, 157 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 7: I think it was. And he he he walked away 158 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 7: left ten million dollars on the table something like that 159 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 7: because of his belief in cannabis and using it. And 160 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 7: I mean that that's a huge statement walking away from 161 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 7: that much money. And he's been an advocate ever since. 162 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 7: And I think he has his own CBD line and 163 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 7: I think he's he's probably, if not the biggest, one 164 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 7: of the biggest. 165 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: That's what I think. 166 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 3: I don't think there's right or wrong Blue, Who's yours? 167 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 4: You know, I'm gonna go with Nick and Nate Diaz 168 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 4: and uh you know they they've had such a controversial 169 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 4: come out in the industry, meaning that you know, they 170 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 4: just decided, we're gonna smoke in front of everybody. 171 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 3: We don't care. This is what we do. 172 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 4: Possibly losing their UFC titles and all kinds of different 173 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 4: you know, things that have came against them, but they 174 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 4: continued to do it and they've been forefront on it. 175 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 3: So I believe it's so funny. These are great ones. 176 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: And what about you, Craig. 177 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 6: I gotta go right now with Big Mike Tyson. Yes, 178 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 6: the best thing lately that they've had him on film. 179 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 6: I don't know if you've seen his Instagram post where 180 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 6: he's boxing, Uh yeahs training with the hands and oh 181 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 6: my god, he smokes that much wet every day and 182 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 6: he's doing that kind of workout. It just shows what 183 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 6: we've been preaching everybody, change the stigma. We does not 184 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 6: slow you down. 185 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: And it's like you he laps in the pool. 186 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 5: I mean, you can do it before you know you're 187 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 5: gonna be doing your nine am workouts like you mother 188 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 5: does his seven thirty workouts. 189 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 6: I'm gonna be like Michael Phelps. That's another one, Michael. 190 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 6: Although he got and Bonnie, who is your athlete? 191 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 8: Well, I don't know if he's the most famous, but 192 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 8: he's for sure my favorite. And that's Bill Walton, the. 193 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 3: Whole Walton family. I love them. 194 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 5: As matter of fact, one of his sons, his son 195 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 5: lives right by here. My son plays baseball with one 196 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 5: of his grandsons. 197 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: So I have a little time. Oh did you out 198 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 3: in Arizona? 199 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 8: I did? 200 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 3: Oh cool? How fun is that? Well, you guys, I 201 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 3: think we just said. 202 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 5: The name Michael Phelps, in my opinion, has to be 203 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 5: one of the biggest, well known. I mean, he's the 204 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 5: most awarded Olympian swimmer ever. So when I think of 205 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 5: biggest athletes, I definitely thought of Ricky Williams, Nate Die 206 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 5: everyone everyone said of I actually didn't think of mister Walton. 207 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 3: But all of are great. 208 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 5: But I think, in my opinion, Michael Phelps is just 209 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 5: one of those guys that you go, wait a minute, 210 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 5: that swimmer smokes weed like that he's taking pictures with 211 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 5: the bongs he's got, he's at parties. 212 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 3: Hey smoking it blew the world away. They weren't ready 213 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 3: for it, you know what I mean. It was like, Yeah, 214 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 3: this guy smoked swede. 215 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 5: He eats a lot of pancakes and a huge breakfast, 216 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 5: huge lunch, and huge dinner and he goes out there 217 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 5: and he kicks ass and. 218 00:09:58,559 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: He was like a gold medals. 219 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 220 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 5: So it's like, you know, the stereotypes about it should 221 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 5: have been broken many moons ago, but it's still funny 222 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 5: how we still have to fight it. Well, let's break 223 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 5: real quick, you guys, come back with Bonnie Johnson and 224 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 5: talk about her article in the CRX magazine coming out 225 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 5: about anxiety and cannabis. It's Cannabis Talk one oh one. 226 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 5: Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one oh one. On the show, 227 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 5: we have a special guest with us, Bonnie Johnson. Now 228 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 5: she holds a masterss of Science degree and nutrition and 229 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 5: as a registered dietitian nutritionist. Bonnie, as a writer, has 230 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 5: a new article in the spring edition of CRX magazine 231 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 5: about anxiety and cannabis. 232 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 3: Welcome to the show, Bonnie, How are you? 233 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 8: Thanks Joe so much. I'm glad to be here. 234 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 3: Well, it's so good. 235 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 5: We all got a chance to read your article as 236 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 5: it's about to come out in the spring edition of 237 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 5: the CRX magazine, and I personally thought it was so 238 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 5: well put together. You had so much information in there, 239 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 5: You did so much research. How long did it take 240 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 5: you to put this article together? 241 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 8: This probably took me a couple of months worth of research, 242 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 8: asking a lot of questions, looking for some really good 243 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 8: science behind it. I think it's really interesting to bring 244 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 8: up Michael Phelps being a cannabis user and such a 245 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 8: great athlete. A lot of that has to do with 246 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 8: anxiety that they really need to be able to control 247 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 8: that anxiety, and sometimes there are pharmaceuticals that won't do it, 248 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 8: and it can really help them improve their performance by 249 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 8: decreasing those pre and post competition anxieties. 250 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 3: And you talked about the story. 251 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 5: The article headline is anxiety and Cannabis. 252 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: What are some of the anxiety symptoms out there? 253 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 5: Somebody's that going I feel this, I feel that what 254 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 5: if this is anxiety? 255 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 8: Right? And I think that the symptoms can really change 256 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 8: from person to person. But you feel all sorts of things. 257 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 8: It's a nervousness, it can be that when you're you know, 258 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 8: you feel that pit in the bottom of your stomach. 259 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 8: It can even be it can be massive headaches, it 260 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 8: can be shaky hands, it can and it can be 261 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 8: really just a feeling of dread and depression. So anxiety 262 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 8: and depression tend to go hand in hand, and sometimes 263 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 8: we try to put those things off as just normal feelings, 264 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 8: but they really aren't. It means something's out of balance 265 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 8: in your body. 266 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 6: Let me ask you this, Bonnie, performance enhancing drugs. You 267 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 6: made a comment a second ago about how this can 268 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 6: help performance because it leaves their anxiety. 269 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 3: Before or after or both. 270 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 6: And tell me how that's different from performance enhancing drugs 271 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 6: that are banned in all these sports. 272 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 8: Well, I'm not an expert in performance enhancing drugs, but 273 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 8: I believe that those are actually compounds that will improve 274 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 8: things like blood flow, decreased muscle fatigue, actually the improve 275 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 8: physical parameters around performance, where something like cannabis wouldn't be 276 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 8: considered a performance enhancing necessarily. It's something that can put 277 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 8: you in the right mental state to compete better, not 278 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 8: necessarily a physical state to compete. 279 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 7: Betterie, I got a question just about your background, a 280 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 7: little bit about your background. 281 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: Where did you study. 282 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 8: I went to the University of Arizona got my degree 283 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 8: in nutrition, and then I got my master's degree at 284 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 8: Colorado State. I was born and raised here in Colorado, 285 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 8: so I came home, you. 286 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 4: Know, so Bonnie somebody, oh, sorry, sometimes I get anxiety, 287 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 4: but when I smoke, you know, and and so I 288 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 4: think it's just different for a lot of people. I mean, 289 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 4: you know, I don't smoke as much as I used to, 290 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 4: and I purposely don't because for a while I was 291 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 4: smoking so much that it didn't I didn't really know 292 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 4: whether you know, it was the cannabis or if it 293 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 4: was just myself. But then I realized, once I, you know, 294 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 4: got away from it completely, you know, that it was 295 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 4: when I smoke, or if I smoke too much, and 296 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 4: I was smoking with tobacco like rolled in blunts and 297 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 4: different kinds of so. 298 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 3: It also got probably helped helped. 299 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 4: You know, with my anxiety, but it would add a 300 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 4: lot of anxiety. But I realized when I if I 301 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 4: ate a small dose of edibles, that I didn't have 302 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 4: that anxiety as well. So I think it's a you know, 303 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 4: a tip for chat. What do you think about people 304 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 4: that do get it for when they do smoke as 305 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 4: well well. 306 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 8: I think it's really important to understand that cannabis has 307 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 8: kind of a dual nature that a little bit can 308 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 8: help control anxiety and too much can actually cause anxiety. 309 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 8: So it's really a matter of figuring out that perfect 310 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 8: dose and timing for yourself that doesn't push you over 311 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 8: that edge into the anxious feelings. But for a lot 312 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 8: of people, really low doses or microdosing of cannabis can 313 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 8: help control that anxiety all day long. So just taking 314 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 8: you know, a little bit at a time, and that's 315 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 8: where edibles really can come in or even tinctures come 316 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 8: in to help titrate those dosages. So that's a small 317 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 8: amount controlling that anxiety over a long period of time. 318 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 7: And we always talk about dosing up, starting small, dosing up, 319 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 7: And one of the things Joe is always saying now 320 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 7: he uses CBD and he likes to refer to like, 321 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 7: I know, if I have to take an advil, did 322 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 7: you direction say take two for my weight and my 323 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 7: this and my that. There really isn't anything yet for cannabis. 324 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 7: What are your thoughts and comments on getting to that 325 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 7: point you think it'll ever happen? 326 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: How close are we? What do you think? 327 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 8: Well, I think it's really difficult to come to that 328 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 8: point with any kind of natural product that's derived from plants. 329 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 8: There's a lot of standardization that has to go on 330 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 8: before you can actually start putting out specific dosage for 331 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 8: weights or for genders or for age groups and stuff 332 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 8: like that. What I think is even more important is 333 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 8: to work with somebody like a cannabis consultant to really 334 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 8: figure out and tight trate those doses up. So when 335 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 8: I work with patients, I have them keep a pretty 336 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 8: detailed diary about how they feel before they take it, 337 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 8: how much they take, when, how they feel within fifteen minutes, 338 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 8: a half an hour, two hours, and then we can 339 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 8: really balance that out so that people find that perfect 340 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 8: sweet spot and don't go over it then and don't 341 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 8: waste their time going under it either. If it's not 342 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 8: making you feel better, there's no reason to do it. 343 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 8: So you do have to add a little bit at 344 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 8: a time. But I think that that's one of those 345 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 8: common misconceptions is we should all know how to take 346 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 8: this and just wing it, But there are actually people 347 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 8: out there who can really help you figure that out 348 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 8: for yourself. 349 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 7: When did you start studying and researching cannabis as part 350 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 7: of your practice. 351 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: When did you bring that into the game for you? 352 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: So? 353 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 8: I brought cannabis into my practice about six or seven 354 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 8: years ago. We had been living in Chicago. I had 355 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 8: a really high level executive job, and I was struggling really, 356 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 8: really bad with anxiety, and I had tried some prescription 357 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 8: medications that made me feel weird and awful. The anxiety 358 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 8: had gotten bad enough that I decided to give up 359 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 8: that job and move home to Colorado. And on our 360 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:51,479 Speaker 8: move back here, my husband begged me to try cannabis 361 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 8: for my headaches, and it worked within fifteen minutes. And 362 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 8: I have been an advocate and educator ever since. 363 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: Was your husband a user as well? 364 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 8: No, my husband is actually a pilot. 365 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 3: At all. 366 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 6: That's great. 367 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 3: Let me ask you this body. 368 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 6: I'm looking at some pre notes that we made here, 369 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 6: and you've got I think you say something to the 370 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 6: effect of CBD slows the breakdown of natural and then 371 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 6: quote unquote bliss molecules in your brain which may help 372 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 6: keep anxiety symptoms away. What is that sounds like a 373 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 6: beautiful word, bliss. 374 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 8: What is so your brain actually produces a molecule called nandamide, 375 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 8: which is almost identical to THHC, but it produces it 376 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 8: in small amounts and it's broken down really really quickly 377 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 8: to try to maintain balance in your brain. When you 378 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 8: take CBD, it actually slows down the breakdown of that 379 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 8: natural nandamide so that you have a little bit longer 380 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 8: lasting effects of that bliss molecule that actually makes you 381 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 8: feel calm, makes and take away some of those anxiety symptoms. 382 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 3: Well that's the. 383 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 6: Same for THC. If you don't do too much well. 384 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 8: THHC actually will stimulate all those good feelings too, because 385 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 8: it looks exactly like a nandamide. It's just comes from 386 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 8: an external source that comes from an outside source. So 387 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 8: THCHC looks like that bliss molecule to your brain and 388 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 8: it uses it the same way. THCHC is not broken 389 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 8: down as quickly. It actually hangs around in your system 390 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 8: quite a bit longer. And that's why taking a little bit, 391 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 8: taking too much, or taking a lot will give you 392 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 8: that high feeling, where when your brain naturally releases a nandamide, 393 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 8: you won't ever get high from that. 394 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 3: We're talking to Bonnie Johnson right now. 395 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 5: She has a new article in the CRX magazine about 396 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 5: anxiety and cannabis, And we've. 397 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 3: Mentioned on here. 398 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 5: As you and Blue are talking and going back and forth, 399 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 5: you said, too much THC can also cause some type 400 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 5: of anxiety. And I'm just wondering to the pot brothers 401 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 5: at law, I've never seen anybody smoke as much as you, 402 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 5: Mark and Craig. You try to hold on there too. 403 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 5: But when you guys, you guys ever smoked too much 404 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 5: that you guys feel some anxiety because I've never seen 405 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,239 Speaker 5: it happen between you two, and we've been around each 406 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 5: other for quite a few years. 407 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 3: Now, I've seen it on him. 408 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 5: Never you should them get anxiety. 409 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 3: I mean, i've seen them smoke tons. I've seen a 410 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 3: little brother. 411 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 4: I've seen little brother take zabs and and and and be. 412 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 3: A little bit uncomfortable. 413 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 4: I don't know what he's holding under there, what it's 414 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 4: you know, how to how to you. 415 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 2: Know, uncomfortable? I don't know what you're talking about. 416 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 6: He's just he's just pinging off the walls. He's he's 417 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 6: a binger. That's what we keeps the same anxiety. 418 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 3: Level headed. 419 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 6: But you guys never never, never, Okay, Well, you guys 420 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 6: smoke a lot of weeds. 421 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 2: I have friends that have. Though, I mean it does, 422 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 2: it can cause. 423 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 3: We've seen a lot of people. I mean, I'm sure 424 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 3: everyone has. Yeah, a lot of people go through it. 425 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 7: I will say that in reading, in reading the article, 426 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 7: in Bonnie's article mentioning uh one of the symptoms anxiety 427 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 7: disorders O c D. 428 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 3: Oh, you have a lot of them. When I was reading, 429 00:19:58,520 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 3: I was thinking of you. 430 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 2: But no, big brother has a lot of OCD. Smokes 431 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 2: so much cannabis. How come it doesn't help his OCD? 432 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 6: What are you talking about? 433 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 2: Wait? 434 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 6: I got, wait, I got, I got to straight my computer. 435 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 3: It's crooked shots? 436 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 5: Why sue correctly Bonnie and the article, More than one 437 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 5: in six Americans take some type of antidepressant for the 438 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 5: psychiatric drugs. I mean, how crazy is that to think of? 439 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 5: And why is it cannabis being used more? When you 440 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 5: look at a statistic like that, Well, I think that. 441 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 8: There's two things that contribute to not being used more. 442 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 8: Number one, like we already said, is the standardization and 443 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 8: not being able to write a prescription for dose and 444 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 8: timing for somebody and just walk out of the office. 445 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 8: And that's unfortunately, as Western medicine is consumers of Western medicine. 446 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 8: That's what we're used too, and that's what we feel 447 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 8: comfortable with. So when somebody says to you, hey, you 448 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 8: could try cannabis. We don't know how much, or or 449 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 8: when to take it, or what kind of take, but 450 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 8: you could experiment on yourself. We tend to shy away 451 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 8: from those kinds of things. But I do think we're 452 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 8: seeing the population grow that they are taking a little 453 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 8: bit more responsibility for their health and they're willing to 454 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 8: try cannabis. But I think the second, the second kind 455 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 8: of scary part is is that when you do take 456 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 8: it and maybe get too much, or you do it 457 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 8: in the wrong way without keeping track, it can cause 458 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 8: that paranoia, that anxiety feeling, and then they think that 459 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 8: they're doing the wrong thing. So, you know, like there's 460 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 8: kind of two sides to this. One is you have 461 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 8: to be willing to experiment with yourself, and two is 462 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 8: you need to be working with somebody who knows what 463 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 8: they're doing so that they can help you along the way. 464 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's why MICRODOCE is probably so important for 465 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 5: everybody out there who's going to try to use this 466 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 5: as a you know, drug that you're going to take 467 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,239 Speaker 5: you you know, whatever you as a medicine you're going 468 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 5: to use, and explain a little bit more, and you've 469 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 5: touched on it a little bit what microdos is and 470 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 5: how it should be looked at and how so much 471 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 5: would go at. 472 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 8: It well, So microdosing is consuming really small amounts of 473 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 8: cannabis over a longer period of time. So when I 474 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 8: work with my patients, I will recommend either using a 475 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 8: tincture because that's pretty easy to dose correctly, so it'll 476 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 8: be maybe maybe seventy five milligrams I'm sorry, zero point 477 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 8: seventy five milligrams of a THHC cbd blend every two 478 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 8: hours to see if that controls anxiety, keeping in mind 479 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 8: that those tincsures take fifteen to twenty minutes to work. 480 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 8: If I have a really adventurous client, I do work 481 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 8: with a veight pen. I think that those are among 482 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 8: the safer ways to do it again because you can 483 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 8: dose so easily and it's basically one puff every two 484 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 8: hours of a one to one cbd THCHC blend and 485 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 8: people really can control that much better. And if you 486 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 8: can do that over the course of about fourteen days, 487 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 8: I have some patients who do that maybe once every 488 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 8: three months, and it puts their anxiety on track and 489 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 8: they can be off of it for a while, and 490 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 8: then they just have to go back they start to 491 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 8: feel anxious again. They'll start that titration again, that microdosing 492 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 8: for about two weeks, feel much better and that will 493 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 8: hold them off for a couple of months. So it's not. 494 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 4: Why do you feel it's taken so long for the 495 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 4: medical community to kind of hop on board with the 496 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 4: cannabis industry. 497 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 8: Oh, I think that there's a gigantic political discussion behind that. 498 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 2: Right, we don't have enough time for that. 499 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 3: But what I have enough time. 500 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 6: But what we do have time for. What we do 501 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 6: have time for, though, is I would like you to 502 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 6: explain to our listeners is as in late terms as 503 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 6: you can, the endocannabinoid system and how that works along 504 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 6: with the anxiety. 505 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 8: Okay, so your body has a system called the endocannabinoid system. 506 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 8: It's kind of like your digestive system or your nervous system, 507 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 8: but it's a system that helps keep your body in 508 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 8: balance in a lot of different ways. And one of 509 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 8: the ways that we see endocannabinoid deficiencies or when your 510 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 8: body is not in balance, your endocannabinoid system is not 511 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 8: in balance, is with this anxiety and depression symptoms, and 512 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 8: that is because you may not have enough of the 513 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 8: natural molecules being released from your brain that keep your 514 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 8: endocannabinoid system in balance. One of those is a nandamide 515 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 8: that I just talked about that looks a lot like THHC, 516 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 8: and if your body's not producing enough nandamide, you're not 517 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 8: going to have that sense of calmness, and you actually 518 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 8: can see increasing anxiety symptoms. And that can be for 519 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 8: a number of reasons. It can be because of too 520 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 8: much stress, it can be genetic that your body doesn't 521 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 8: produce enough of it in the first place. There's a 522 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 8: number of reasons why that may happen. But you can 523 00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 8: do things from an outside perspective to help balance your 524 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 8: endocannabinoid system back, and those things are THHC and CBD. 525 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 8: So cannabis does help balance that endocannabinoid system, but there's 526 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 8: some research that shows that even exercise and eating healthy 527 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 8: can actually help bring that into balance because it can 528 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 8: increase your body's ability to produce those natural the endocannabinoids, 529 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 8: those cannabinoids that your brain makes to make you feel calm. 530 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: There you go. 531 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 7: We are here with Bonnie Johnson, writer for CRX Magazine, 532 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 7: Masters of Science degree and nutrition registered dietitian. Thank you 533 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 7: so much for joining us on Cannabis Talk one on one. 534 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 7: One of the things I saw in your article transcranial 535 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 7: magnetic stimulation. 536 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 2: WHOA, isn't that shock treatment? 537 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 8: It mark, It's a very new It's a much much 538 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 8: more more sound version of shock treatment. Yes, and it 539 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 8: is only used in extreme cases of anxiety and depression. 540 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 8: But it can put your brain back into balance when 541 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 8: it's been unbalanced for so long. 542 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: Isn't that what they did? And one flew over the 543 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 2: cuckoo's nest. 544 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 8: Like I said, technology has advanced quite a bit. 545 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 3: They also used the pillow too. 546 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,959 Speaker 2: I'll stick with the cannabis. I think that sounds safer 547 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: to me. 548 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you. 549 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 8: Know. 550 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 5: You did ties of research and the seven misconceptions about 551 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 5: using cannabis for anxiety. 552 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 3: Speak on those a little bit. 553 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 8: Well. I think that people, for my number one is 554 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 8: always people think that natural is better than synthetic, or 555 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 8: natural is better than pharmaceutical, which is a misconception. And 556 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 8: while I do believe that cannabis is a really great 557 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 8: treatment for anxiety and natural treatment for anxiety. Sometimes it 558 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 8: needs to be used in conjunction with pharmaceuticals, so there's 559 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 8: not always a one one or the other. Things can 560 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 8: be used in tandem if they're used correctly. Like I 561 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 8: said before, continuous use may not be necessary. You may 562 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 8: be able to use cannabis for seven to fourteen days, 563 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 8: put your body back in balance, and then be and 564 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 8: take a break for a couple of months, and then 565 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 8: when those anxiety symptoms start to return, use it on 566 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 8: and off, so it's not something that you have to 567 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 8: do all the time to keep your body in balance. 568 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 8: And then again we talked about that idea that high 569 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 8: doses of cannabis can be harmful and can cause the 570 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 8: opposite effects. So you need to hit that sweet spot 571 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 8: between too little and too much so that you do 572 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 8: have something that can control those anxiety symptoms. 573 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 7: When talking about hold on, hold on, I'm sorry I 574 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 7: got to mention this because you're talking about harmful effects. 575 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 7: What can you say tell us about cannabinoid hypermesis syndrome. 576 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 8: Well, that's in the next that's in the summer issue 577 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 8: of CRX magazine. 578 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 2: I'm ahead of my time. I'm usually ahead of my time. 579 00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 7: Of it. 580 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 8: It's rare, and it's not only high, it's not only 581 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 8: using high amounts of cannabis, but very very long term 582 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 8: at that very high level, and there is a syndrome. 583 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 8: It's a real thing, and you can control it by 584 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 8: taking a cannabis break. It's as simple as that. And 585 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 8: that's really the one way that they can diagnose it 586 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 8: is if they stop using cannabis and all your nausea 587 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 8: and vomiting goes away. That's probably what it was. 588 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 7: And that's CHS is reoccurrent nausea, vomiting, cramping, abdominal pain 589 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 7: due to cannabis. 590 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 8: Use, long long term, high doses of cannabis use. 591 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 4: So I'm at risk, Yeah, probably so Mark, Well there, well, 592 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 4: there it is guys. It's Cannabis Talk one on one. 593 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 4: We'll be right back after this break. 594 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one on one. 595 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 7: I'm Mark Washerman, little Brother the Pop Brothers at Law 596 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 7: with my big brother Craig, Joe Grande and Big Blue 597 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 7: and we want to give our very special thanks to 598 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 7: our producer Elvis, our social media director Jennifer Beth, Ann 599 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 7: Sophia and David Wasserman at iHeart for helping us get 600 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 7: this podcast up and out to the world, and a 601 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 7: very special shout out to Big Boy because he deserves it, 602 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 7: and everyone who has supported Cannabis Talk one oh one. 603 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 2: We truly appreciate all of you. 604 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,479 Speaker 7: And now the time of the show to get to 605 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 7: the High five with Cannabis Talk one oh one and 606 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 7: our guest Bonnie Johnson. 607 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 2: Joe, take it away. 608 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 5: Try it's the High five with Bonnie Johnson, who has 609 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 5: an article in the spring issue of CRX magazine Anxiety 610 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 5: and Cannabis, and we've got to hear a lot of 611 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 5: great things about it. But Bonnie, now it's your time 612 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 5: to open up. How old you How old were you first? 613 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 3: Yeah? 614 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 5: How old was La la la? How old were you 615 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 5: the first time you smoked weed? And where'd you get 616 00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 5: it from? 617 00:29:59,000 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 3: Canne? 618 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 8: This is a judgment free zone. 619 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 2: Right absolutely? 620 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 8: Yeah I was. I was forty two and I went 621 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 8: down dispensary in downtown Denver and bought it myself. 622 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 3: That's great. Craig has kids that are forty two and 623 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 3: forty nine. 624 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 625 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 6: No, So what is your favorite way to use cannabis? 626 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 8: I do use a eight pen with a variety of 627 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 8: different cartridges. 628 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 6: Very nice. 629 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 4: Well, this is the High Five with Bonnie Johnson on 630 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 4: High Heart Radio. Yes, what is the craziest place you've 631 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 4: ever used or smoked cannabis? 632 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 8: Well, so I have to say again, judgment free zone 633 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 8: at this point, it's probably my parents' house, just right 634 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 8: in front of my right in front of my mom 635 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,479 Speaker 8: and dad. They know that I use it medically and 636 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 8: it has become a totally judgment free way. Just like 637 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 8: take popping a couple of ad film and you get 638 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 8: a headache. 639 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 3: Did they partake with you? 640 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 8: No, my parents do not. 641 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 3: Well, Mark and Craig's parents, they'll roll you up a 642 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 3: joint in a heartbeat. 643 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 2: Oh, yes we do. 644 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 7: And it's the Cannabis Talk one oh one High Five 645 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 7: with Bonnie Johnson of CRX magazine writer. Question number four, 646 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 7: what is your go to munchies when you get high? 647 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 8: Well, because I do, I really practice microdosing. I don't 648 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 8: ever really get high, But my go to munchie regardless 649 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 8: of time is nacho cheese Doritos. Even though I'm a dire. 650 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 3: But just a little. We're gonna judge that. We're gonna 651 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 3: judge that alone. 652 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 5: I've seen your pictures you know it doesn't matter. You 653 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 5: can eat a whole bag question number five with a 654 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 5: high five. If you could smoke cannabis with anyone dead 655 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 5: or alive, who would it be? 656 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 8: Again, I'm gonna have to go with my husband, hopefully 657 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 8: by sixty five he'll retire from the industry, from the 658 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 8: airline industry, and we will meet on the jetway with 659 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 8: a gigantic degree and just sit in the gate area 660 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 8: and get. 661 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: I want buddy. 662 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 5: It's so funny, Bonnie. I have my kids friend's parents whatever. 663 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 5: His dad as a pilot, and he said that. The 664 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 5: wife said the same thing, like, I can't wait to 665 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 5: smoke with my husband once he's not a pilot. Where 666 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 5: did I hear this from? 667 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 3: Before? That is so interesting? 668 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 5: And before we end, I got to ask, you've done 669 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 5: so much research on this, You've done so much research period. 670 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 5: What do you find that works best for treating this 671 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 5: as far as cannabis, smoking, tinsters. 672 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 3: And edible dabbing. 673 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 5: What have you noticed will help the most with the 674 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 5: anxiety and the quickest In terms. 675 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 8: Of anxiety, I think that smoking actually helps the quickest 676 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 8: and can be the most long term, easily controllable way 677 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 8: to treat it. Tinctures are probably my second choice. They're 678 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 8: my second choice because they're a little bit harder to 679 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 8: come by and you can't always guarantee the quality that 680 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 8: you're getting or the mix that you're getting. So I 681 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 8: really like the cartridges and you just get such a 682 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 8: quicker experience with that. The one thing I always say 683 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 8: no to when it comes to treating anxiety with cannabis 684 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 8: is dabbing. You want to talk about the fastest way 685 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 8: to cause a panic attack or an anxiety attack, Dabbing 686 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 8: will do it. 687 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I got I gotta admit. 688 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 2: I gotta admit. 689 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 6: Seven years ago, when I first dabbed, I had to 690 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 6: ground myself for riding my motorcycle for about six alleys. 691 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 6: I was stuck where I was and I don't know 692 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 6: if it was so much anxiety, but I never got 693 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 6: that high. Now i've dabbed subsequently, haven't been that bad. 694 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 6: But that first experience of dabbing was like, oh my god, 695 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 6: if I had anxiety, i'd have been it had been 696 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 6: off the charts. Joe, what do you think, what do 697 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 6: you think? 698 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 4: Well, well, there it is, guys. You know, we want 699 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 4: to thank you Bonnie for being on the show. Make 700 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 4: sure you check out Bonnie Johnson and CRX Magazine. You know, 701 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 4: is any fine final words from you, Bonnie before we 702 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 4: check out of here. 703 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 8: I think that the most important thing is that CRX 704 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 8: mag is a free subscription. Go to crxmag dot com 705 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 8: subscribe yourself. It's a great resource for healthcare professionals, doctors, nurses, 706 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,280 Speaker 8: dieticians who are interested in the cannabis space. 707 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 4: Well there it is, guys, It's Cannabis Talk one on one. 708 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,439 Speaker 3: Remember this. If no one else loves you, we do. 709 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Cannabis Talk one oh one 710 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get 711 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: your podcasts.