Speaker 1: My name is Clay and Nukeleman. This is a production
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Speaker 1: There's there's three things that I check my phone for
Speaker 1: emergencies at work, and there's only a handful of people
Speaker 1: that consume me. Those our kids, you know, getting stitches
Speaker 1: from work, which I don't think they knows how much
Speaker 1: of my life is devoted to chaper chauffeuring and organizing
Speaker 1: show first for our children. Um. And then the third
Speaker 1: thing that would be an I'd look at my phone
Speaker 1: for would be to fact check. Clay feel like your
Speaker 1: job here is to fact check, not to fact check you.
Speaker 1: But sometimes you'll be like, I don't know, look that
Speaker 1: up and I'll just do it right then and then
Speaker 1: I'll come back on the podcast. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: I'm a valuable as really diplomatic way to say that.
Speaker 1: And then in that way, hey, let me let me
Speaker 1: tell you all a story. Okay, this actually happened this
Speaker 1: very day. Story, this happened this very and this this
Speaker 1: is going to set up other stories inside this podcast. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's important that you pay attention. You may not
Speaker 1: be able to tell. But I've kind of been the
Speaker 1: fitness um and I was running this morning and I
Speaker 1: run a very long stretch. I won't tell you how
Speaker 1: far I run, but was running down the highway and
Speaker 1: I had actually I stopped to walk a section because
Speaker 1: I was running so far that I was walking down
Speaker 1: the highway, lonely stretched two lane highway. I've done this
Speaker 1: for years, decades. One other time, one time someone stopped
Speaker 1: and asked me if I needed a ride. He was
Speaker 1: driving like probably a nineteen eighties late model work truck.
Speaker 1: Rough guy, no A A C. And he was like
Speaker 1: you need and I was like, no, I'm good, I'm exercising.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, guy. Today years later, hundreds of cars passed
Speaker 1: me every day. A guy slows down and I feel
Speaker 1: him slowing down, and he stops and he goes. He
Speaker 1: leaves his window up, but he points at me and
Speaker 1: he points in the seat like the passenger seat, like
Speaker 1: like you you you want to ride right here? And
Speaker 1: I smiled real big, and I go no, and I
Speaker 1: do my arms like I'm running, like because I can't
Speaker 1: talk to him, He's gotta win it up. Is it
Speaker 1: not obvious that I'm covered in sweat and I just
Speaker 1: look like a dirty guy walking down the road. And
Speaker 1: he stops to pick up this dirty guy walking down
Speaker 1: the road, and it's like, you want to get in
Speaker 1: my truck and ride with me? And I do arms
Speaker 1: like I'm running, and I say I'm running, I'm exercising,
Speaker 1: and he goes oh. He does like a big like
Speaker 1: old face, and then he does the running thing. He
Speaker 1: does his arms up and down and I go yeah,
Speaker 1: and then he pumps his fists like yeah, good job, fitness.
Speaker 1: Way to go, and then he drives off. And the
Speaker 1: man was wearing a pair of overalls. He hadn't been
Speaker 1: in his early seventies, gray headed, nice beard glasses. Here's
Speaker 1: the hook of the story. He had a pair of decals,
Speaker 1: big decals on the back side of his truck of
Speaker 1: a man riding a mule, beautiful like a silhouette. You
Speaker 1: know how guys will have pictures on tavin. Do you
Speaker 1: know about that? I know my pictures. I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit of an artist. Yeah, I draw things. Huh yeah,
Speaker 1: you give me a pen and pad, buddy, holl go
Speaker 1: to town all day long. It was like someone like
Speaker 1: you had done that, and the and and there were
Speaker 1: these huge exaggerated ears. So it was a mule This
Speaker 1: was a mule man. And as soon as he went
Speaker 1: around the corner, I was like wanting to wave him down.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to talk to the guy. But that,
Speaker 1: to me displayed the the internal character of you know,
Speaker 1: a mule man. I thought you were gonna say it
Speaker 1: was the same feller that stopped years ago. I thought
Speaker 1: that was the hook man. That would have been a
Speaker 1: good story because you're like, now he's got a beard
Speaker 1: and he's all old kind of thing, and he only
Speaker 1: do sign language because you don't like to row to
Speaker 1: window down. He would have had a nicer truck. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the Bargaras Podcast. Everyone. We've got a We've got
Speaker 1: a fantastic uh line up for you today. Um. I'd
Speaker 1: like to introduce the people here. As usual, I will
Speaker 1: get introduce our guest. At the end. We're gonna go counterclockwise,
Speaker 1: which usually is is it's different than usual. I would
Speaker 1: like to introduce my dad, Gary Newcomb. Gary Black Panther
Speaker 1: Knwcombe sitting over in the corner with the mannequin of
Speaker 1: the with a black panther head right there in the
Speaker 1: believer head, yeah, and the believer hat. How you doing, man,
Speaker 1: A real good, real good. You've been playing golf a
Speaker 1: little bit, a little bit. Do you hear my comments
Speaker 1: about I did? How did that make you feel? Well?
Speaker 1: I think that's one. You're a loser man. Uh no,
Speaker 1: no really, Uh, you weren't cut out for it. But
Speaker 1: but you did the same thing. I mean, you had
Speaker 1: a lot of diversity. Yeah, that's all I was saying exactly.
Speaker 1: I felt like I hat tipped to exactly what you
Speaker 1: wanted to see. But also you were a specialist. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, your your diversity was fishing, canoeing, hunting, redneck looks,
Speaker 1: good looking women, I mean, and I'll fit in there. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, No,
Speaker 1: I had to bring you up in that because that
Speaker 1: was a good question. Okay, that was just the intro. Man,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hot today. To Gary's right overpassing our
Speaker 1: guest is Missy KNEWKEM welcome, ms nukemb the only good
Speaker 1: looking woman right. That's exactly right. The rest of them.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. So there's something we got to talk
Speaker 1: about later. Um, I'm gonna wait. There's a campaign going
Speaker 1: on in the world that I would like for Misty
Speaker 1: to introduce. But first of all, Brent Reeves, great to
Speaker 1: see you. We're in a good overalls. Bring Whalen Jennings hat.
Speaker 1: That's whaleon hat since generic when your coon dogs names
Speaker 1: Whalen and he's named after the one of the icons
Speaker 1: of outlaw country music, real country. Using it doesn't it
Speaker 1: doesn't hurt. It's just a it's a happy coincidence. So
Speaker 1: but I like both of them. Okay, Well let's see
Speaker 1: a bran back to the middle we have today. Tavin Dillard.
Speaker 1: How are you doing, man, I'm good. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you as a guest. Hey, it's
Speaker 1: good to be here. I'm glad you have to air
Speaker 1: on it here. It's hotter than the wolfstock futtle baked
Speaker 1: beans out there. I'm glad I found my way in here. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: it's got a cool down in the office. Well you
Speaker 1: called us the office, Well I call it the Global
Speaker 1: Headquarters of former Global Headquarters of the Bear Hunting magazine.
Speaker 1: There's an acronym for it, um f are. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a lot of spelling. That's a
Speaker 1: lot of words you're thrown out. But I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to be here, and I hope I can
Speaker 1: be a help. I'm not sure what we're doing today.
Speaker 1: If we taxidermy and animals were we're just talking about them.
Speaker 1: But I'm game. What do you think of the office, man?
Speaker 1: I love it. This is the first time in here.
Speaker 1: I got my feet on a bear. That's right, that's
Speaker 1: rights antlers. I don't want to lean into this thing.
Speaker 1: These things are sharp over here. Yeah, what beel? You
Speaker 1: aren't that one? Didn't you? And who's that behind me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Big bear right behind you? How did he get here?
Speaker 1: Did you do that? I mean in the space. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say I did that, that's not the words at
Speaker 1: a full mount uh full body, But I would say
Speaker 1: this is a bear that I that I harvested, that
Speaker 1: I killed, ate his meat. Yeah, that's what I meant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just thought I did was a quicker way to
Speaker 1: say that. Where are you from from? Kansas Chancellor Park? Really? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that where you grew up. Yeah, and I got
Speaker 1: here on my back today. Yeah, it's not that far
Speaker 1: from a global headquarters. Well not too bad. And I've
Speaker 1: seen that you know, the door was unlocked, so yeah,
Speaker 1: we had an extra spot. So appreciate you, Tavin. I
Speaker 1: know your mem all. She she called me on the
Speaker 1: land line and she said that in about thirty minutes,
Speaker 1: you gotta roll. I know, I know. She wanted me
Speaker 1: to fetch the mellow yellow for and she got her
Speaker 1: on a bag of hot Price and and I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna give her those because they had one back left,
Speaker 1: and I'll bring her support Ryn's She's gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: But she do like to stick to a schedule, and
Speaker 1: for some reason things she thinks I gotta stick to
Speaker 1: her schedule too. And it's gonna be with us for
Speaker 1: like just for a little bit, just enough to say, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's great to have you here. Man, it's good to
Speaker 1: be here. I appreciate you man. Miss Newcomb. Would you
Speaker 1: like to introduce the new campaign that's been started on
Speaker 1: your behalf and explain what it is. If you don't,
Speaker 1: I would be glad to explain it. I would like
Speaker 1: to have my representative introduce it. But if you want
Speaker 1: to explain it. That's fine. Well if I introduced it,
Speaker 1: would it would it would make the point exactly. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm following you. Go ahead, Brent. Hashtag let Misty talk.
Speaker 1: And it's time. It's way, it's past time for this.
Speaker 1: I read the review. We get a five star review.
Speaker 1: Now that's what this guy is. He's indeed, he's indeed,
Speaker 1: but he says quote, I love everything about the podcast,
Speaker 1: but it drives me crazy. Every time Missy tries to
Speaker 1: tell a story, Clay just cuts her off. I feel
Speaker 1: so bad for that woman. I think my mom wrote that.
Speaker 1: She just wrote down what. I'm zipping my lips thoughts.
Speaker 1: I guess you let her talk, buddy. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's not even like a subtle you know, like wink wink.
Speaker 1: Maybe don't do that. Just let Missy go. You got
Speaker 1: a story today, Missy, you got something you want to talk?
Speaker 1: I got lots. I need a shirt. I need a shirt.
Speaker 1: Hashtag let Missy talk. We're just gonna take the next
Speaker 1: few minutes and Missy, you just you just take us
Speaker 1: where you want to go and I'll try to talk.
Speaker 1: On the second. Let me let me say something on that.
Speaker 1: It is true though. Clay always he likes to he
Speaker 1: likes to be the one. And we've got one of
Speaker 1: our kids is like this too. They always like to
Speaker 1: be the one that drops the punchline. And he always
Speaker 1: he always thinks that he drops the punchline better than me,
Speaker 1: and he definitely gets there faster. But it's he likes to.
Speaker 1: Uh well, actually he doesn't. Did y'all hear how long
Speaker 1: we had? He he's struggling, biting his tongue. What don't
Speaker 1: you tell that story? What happened? He's so excited and
Speaker 1: then you start telling and he's like, she's doing that
Speaker 1: when he really wants his missy team me up so
Speaker 1: I could tell And that's what he always does, like
Speaker 1: do you want me to tell it? It's like, well,
Speaker 1: I was kind of enjoying telling it. Okay, let me
Speaker 1: let me this is the way this goes, Tavin. Yeah, buddy,
Speaker 1: you'd let me know if your memal I retreated you
Speaker 1: like this? Uh same. So there will be this incredible
Speaker 1: story that should take five to seven minutes and have
Speaker 1: some enthralling content inside of that, and the punch line
Speaker 1: is and then the turkey flew off this example punch line, Um,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna he's looking right at There are people
Speaker 1: that sometimes will tell this incredible story. It's this moment
Speaker 1: that you have with this people, and they might be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they went hunting and then the turkey flew off pause
Speaker 1: and then no. No, I'm always rushing to get to
Speaker 1: the to the punch line because i know I'm going
Speaker 1: to be interrupted. If i don't get there, I'm not
Speaker 1: getting it. So I've got to get there pretty fast,
Speaker 1: just just on a podcast or just suppers. And there's
Speaker 1: there's certain contexts that it comes out more and and
Speaker 1: I appreciate Clays trying to keep things on, you know,
Speaker 1: in a row in the podcast. So so I'll allow it.
Speaker 1: But but also I've noticed that when we are when
Speaker 1: we're with my family going often I'm not kidding, my
Speaker 1: family is like a high interruption. There's a lot of learned.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna talk about it, you better get it in.
Speaker 1: If they've been around people like that. I've heard people
Speaker 1: that tell the fol stories like out a way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I guess what you're saying is you don't want
Speaker 1: to start the story like, hey, you want to hear
Speaker 1: about the time the turkey flew off, and then you
Speaker 1: go into your story and you're done told everything like,
Speaker 1: you gotta build it up. You gotta keep people caring
Speaker 1: about what you're doing. I do that all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did that all the time. Whether I can buy ramping,
Speaker 1: doing cannonballs at the city pool, trying to catch a
Speaker 1: turkey salmon, I mean, all those kind of things. You
Speaker 1: gotta figure out how you're going to let people know
Speaker 1: that they wish they should have been there, you know
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, hey, I know. Do you
Speaker 1: have I heard a story one time you told about crow? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean there's a hundred scarlies about crows in my
Speaker 1: trailer park. Uh when first of all, they like to
Speaker 1: eat food. Everybody knows that, just like any animal, they
Speaker 1: eat food. That's how that go. You know, they ain't
Speaker 1: made out of play though, they animal, so that's how.
Speaker 1: So anyway, it's Candy Roy. She little girl on the
Speaker 1: trailer park. She knocked on my door. I don't know
Speaker 1: how she had a full adult grow growed crow adult
Speaker 1: Uh like gets away both little hands. I don't know
Speaker 1: how she knocked and she caught that thing. I asked
Speaker 1: her why, and she said this because they're easy to catch,
Speaker 1: which that really ain't a good reason to do stuff
Speaker 1: in life, you know, just because you can do it.
Speaker 1: And then uh, she wanted to make a house out
Speaker 1: of there's a cardboard box underneed my trailer. She wanted
Speaker 1: to build like a house and put a prairie dress
Speaker 1: on it. And but all of this was news to
Speaker 1: the crow, Like he was looking at me like, bank bank,
Speaker 1: can you help me start? Like I don't fake crow,
Speaker 1: but like looking at his little bank banks, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he don't want to be here. So
Speaker 1: I came up with an idea. But the thing about
Speaker 1: it is dim crows. They you know, like I'm a
Speaker 1: good cannonballer at the city poo and people's like, how
Speaker 1: in the world's having you get so good? It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, how does the crow know to die
Speaker 1: bomb open bag of onions? They just born with it,
Speaker 1: you know, like out of way. So the thing about
Speaker 1: it is dim crow's being after my snacks in the
Speaker 1: trailer park. After Candy Delroy caught it and said, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put a bonnet on you in feririe dress. You're
Speaker 1: gonna live in that box? Uh, I said, Candy, if
Speaker 1: you you love that crow. She goes, oh, yeah, I do,
Speaker 1: And I said, why did you let that go? And
Speaker 1: if it fly back, you know it's meant to bake
Speaker 1: County crow. The crow thought that was a good idea,
Speaker 1: like he ain't got dumb because you know about crows,
Speaker 1: they got wings. But when he flowed up, he was
Speaker 1: like bank Bengalo, thumbs up, like over shoulder, like yes,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have shoulders. Yeah, that's kind
Speaker 1: of what he did. That's what I felt like he did.
Speaker 1: I don't know where a crow's shoulders start, if they
Speaker 1: even have. Him kind of chroologist. But he blowed away happy,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Candy might have done the trailer
Speaker 1: parker favor. Because they don't want to. They're gonna tell
Speaker 1: their friends, hey, don't go back over there, and that's
Speaker 1: then I can leave my funnions out, hot prize out,
Speaker 1: powdered doughnuts. Uh. They like dr Pepper Two didn't know
Speaker 1: doubt about crows. Really yeah, how did they drink a
Speaker 1: dr pepper straw straw? They love the straw. I didn't
Speaker 1: think they'd have the suction capacity. You and me both
Speaker 1: Clay give and me both funny. But it interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're wearing a pretty cool shirt. Uh. Yes. The
Speaker 1: turkey salmon, they're pretty elusive, very rare. Talk to. Well,
Speaker 1: you know how to call it turkey? Yeah, okay, Well
Speaker 1: I know how to call it turkey salmon because it's
Speaker 1: two two parts with a turkey salmon, because one is
Speaker 1: a call. But you gotta get up, you know you
Speaker 1: you know how the salmon swim out the water like
Speaker 1: that a way and then they're hard to find. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm like a salmon. Imagine your mind's eye if you're
Speaker 1: a listener at home, because the podcast for your ears,
Speaker 1: so they're listening. Uh, the sam going out to water.
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta give it to shake if you're
Speaker 1: gonna try to catch the elusive turkey sam. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's a two thing. Like somebody you can call
Speaker 1: a turkey. All you need your voice, you call turkey salmon.
Speaker 1: You're gonna need the body too. Is there turkey in here? Oh?
Speaker 1: That was clay? Yeah that was good. Interesting, You got
Speaker 1: me interesting. So that's good. So I mean, if you
Speaker 1: ever catch one, I hope you get it mounted in
Speaker 1: here with these other animals, because I ain't been able
Speaker 1: to catch the turkeys. Uh, I've never seen one tavern,
Speaker 1: but I'll be looking out for him. Yeah. Hey, uh,
Speaker 1: let me know if you have any insight into this.
Speaker 1: This is a this is a a real, a live
Speaker 1: deal that do you remember the radio show back in
Speaker 1: back in our hometown where every morning they would just
Speaker 1: sell stuff. People would call in and sell stuff like
Speaker 1: a swap shop dilla trade, Like it's pretty common. We're
Speaker 1: gonna start a new section on the Burgrease render of
Speaker 1: like a Dillar trade essentially, and I'm gonna be the
Speaker 1: first guy. I have something that I legitimately want to sell. Okay,
Speaker 1: And this may be a little bit of a whip
Speaker 1: lash from maybe what you've heard me talk about from
Speaker 1: last week. Um, do you remember I talked about the
Speaker 1: mule banjo last week? That last render I went into
Speaker 1: detail of all he's done. So it's a long, complicated story.
Speaker 1: And for people that don't have mules or equon animals,
Speaker 1: don't even pretend to have, think that you have an
Speaker 1: appropriate level of empathy for a man in my position? Okay?
Speaker 1: Is that fair? I mean, like, if you don't have
Speaker 1: a mule, oh, you don't know what I'm going through.
Speaker 1: You're just guessing. You're doing that's it, You're just guessing. Well,
Speaker 1: my friend Ty Evans T. S. Mules answered on his
Speaker 1: podcast T. S Mules podcast about what I should do
Speaker 1: to fix Banjo, and he gave a great answer, and
Speaker 1: it was I mean, it's like as good answer as
Speaker 1: could have been given, you know, and uh, I, I
Speaker 1: just don't know. Did I can do it? And Dad,
Speaker 1: last time, when I told Banjo's bucked me off twice,
Speaker 1: he's kicked me once. I came across a picture and
Speaker 1: I can't show it because it shows some delicate parts
Speaker 1: of a man's body high on the outside right thigh, okay,
Speaker 1: and there was a big black spot about as big
Speaker 1: as a baseball right there on on my leg where
Speaker 1: he kicked me. So Dad said, last time, you were like,
Speaker 1: answer is easy, sell it. And then I was like, nah, man,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a good mule. This is gonna
Speaker 1: work out. I can work through this. And then this
Speaker 1: week I go to meet a man that was on
Speaker 1: the former Barony Magazine podcast named Lloyd Holly. Lloyd is
Speaker 1: an older gentleman in his seventies and basically made a
Speaker 1: living for thirty five years in the Mule Business had
Speaker 1: a mule farm called Hollywood Mule Farm. Oh yeah, you
Speaker 1: did a podcast podcast with Lloyd Holly. I was with
Speaker 1: Lloyd Holly this week. We were looking at my friend
Speaker 1: Michael Lanier, who's considered buying a mule. Me and Mr
Speaker 1: Lloyd Holly are sitting there watching Michael Lanier ride this
Speaker 1: really nice mule around, and I begin to tell Lloyd
Speaker 1: Holly about my situation. And there's something I like about
Speaker 1: people when and it's not always right, and you can't
Speaker 1: always trust this type of advice, but I like the
Speaker 1: certainty of it. And sometimes this type of certainty just
Speaker 1: captures you and you're just like, yeah, that's the right answer.
Speaker 1: I like. Given the extended version of Banjo's progress, and
Speaker 1: I go, what do I do? Mr Lloyd And I
Speaker 1: expected him to go, well, Clay, you're probably gonna need
Speaker 1: to do this. You're gonna need to do this this
Speaker 1: He said, sell it. Wow, that's what your dad? What
Speaker 1: do you think think about that mule? I mean, once
Speaker 1: I get kicked in the upper thigh with a big
Speaker 1: old bone bruise and your pet probably had deep bone bruise,
Speaker 1: I'd be I'd probably be done trying to write that thing,
Speaker 1: especially that ain't the first time, right, yeah, yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean if it was one of your children, you
Speaker 1: hang on to him a little while, or maybe they're
Speaker 1: getting close to being raised and out the house. I
Speaker 1: don't know. You can't set up mule free like that,
Speaker 1: like go to college kind of thing. So oh, I
Speaker 1: thought you were saying if it had kicked one of
Speaker 1: my kids. You know, I'm saying, like, if you got
Speaker 1: a child that's giving you trouble. You don't quit on
Speaker 1: a child, but you might quit on the mule. Boy,
Speaker 1: I see it. I don't know, though I ain't met
Speaker 1: this band Jim speak, so that that's reflection of a
Speaker 1: man's internal character. I don't think. So, well, what do
Speaker 1: you need that mule for? For? Lots of stuff? Taba?
Speaker 1: Does it do that stuff you need it for? No,
Speaker 1: So you say, so it ain't old. This is a
Speaker 1: juvenile he's going through Okay, he's going through a rebellious
Speaker 1: stage exactly. Well, you just hope he comes out on
Speaker 1: the other side, because if he get into some of
Speaker 1: them extracurricular things teenagers get into, he may be no
Speaker 1: good for you later down the road. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what mules get into when they rebellious.
Speaker 1: But if they're kicking me like that, they're powerful. I
Speaker 1: know that that could have broke your leg. But that
Speaker 1: being said, uh, this is a nice mule. Um, so
Speaker 1: he is now officially for sale, like for real for sale.
Speaker 1: And uh, I don't know how you can contact me
Speaker 1: if you'd like to purchase this mule, but I want
Speaker 1: to say he's for sale, not on sale. And uh,
Speaker 1: he's actually a very very beautiful mule. He's uh, it's
Speaker 1: kind of a sort a light sorrel. He has white socks,
Speaker 1: which it makes him a flashy mule. He's right at
Speaker 1: fifteen maybe a little bit over fifteen hands. He's been
Speaker 1: packed on quite a bit, Like you could take this
Speaker 1: animal and use this pack mule today. And I've written
Speaker 1: him twelve or fifteen times. It sounds like Brent wants
Speaker 1: to buy him. No, Brent's a mule poor right now.
Speaker 1: I'm good. So it's a beautiful animal. I just don't
Speaker 1: know that I can get him over the hump. So
Speaker 1: the mules for sale, and uh, you know, make me
Speaker 1: an offer. You know what dollar trade though that you
Speaker 1: could trade like if somebody offers you something else? Would
Speaker 1: you trade him when you just want money for that? Oh,
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I guess it matters what they had.
Speaker 1: Let's let's just think about that for a second. What
Speaker 1: trade would would be worth Banjo a new Chevy Chevy
Speaker 1: Silverado'll pick up? Maybe Okay, somebody mow your yard for you. Well,
Speaker 1: the meals for sale. So that's that's all I got
Speaker 1: to say about that. I got to contact you to
Speaker 1: get the price. Yeah, and I'm not always that accessible.
Speaker 1: They exactly how to sell things, right, he gets things
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm gonna sell it. And then he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm putting the mulet for sale, makes a public announcement.
Speaker 1: There's no way to reach me to get that mule.
Speaker 1: We gotta keep him exactly exactly. And this is and
Speaker 1: I'm not putting Clay up to sell the last coon
Speaker 1: dog that I had. I had him sold two times. Now,
Speaker 1: you tell me if you think this is a reflection
Speaker 1: of internal character in a negative positive way. But a
Speaker 1: guy was coming to my house like the next day
Speaker 1: to buy this dog. But I told him before he came.
Speaker 1: I said, buddy, I'm taking this dog coon hunting tonight.
Speaker 1: And if he does good tonight. That may affect your
Speaker 1: trip tomorrow, because I may tell you he's not for
Speaker 1: sell anymore. But I'll see you tomorrow at ten am.
Speaker 1: A scooter, wasn't it. Yeah? And then I go hunting,
Speaker 1: and what do you think Scooter did? He did a
Speaker 1: good job, He did a great job. And so at
Speaker 1: midnight I text the guy and be like, you should
Speaker 1: have bought him white had the chance. And then I
Speaker 1: did it to the same guy twice, and then finally
Speaker 1: the third time, when I really wanted to sell the dog,
Speaker 1: like for sure, I was a little embarrassed to even
Speaker 1: contact the guy, and so I didn't, And so I
Speaker 1: ended up giving him to a kid over in Oklahoma
Speaker 1: who's hunting him to this day, and Scooters doing real good.
Speaker 1: How many times I tell you you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: give him, you gotta give him a shot. Hashtag save Scooter.
Speaker 1: I ain't even put that out there. Yeah yeah, and
Speaker 1: put that on Instagram, Yeah yeah. If you ever Coo
Speaker 1: nutted a tavern, no never. I mean, I've chased him,
Speaker 1: but I ain't been out going a dog and in
Speaker 1: a un you know kind of thing. We could go tonight,
Speaker 1: pretty swift footed really, I could get a raccoon in
Speaker 1: the headlock, but I don't know if I could take
Speaker 1: them all the way down, you know kind of thing. Now,
Speaker 1: I'll go with you, take me out. Now. I've heard
Speaker 1: you talk about peacocks. No, but I've seen him. They
Speaker 1: tear you up. They ain't friendly. I ain't friends. But
Speaker 1: but I drawed a picture of a fully mature peacock
Speaker 1: that had a squirrel in a headlock. And the squirrel
Speaker 1: was so ribarrassed because I mean, uh, they're getting people's gardens.
Speaker 1: Folks can't catch them all day long. And here comes
Speaker 1: up fully mature peacock with no thumbs. You don't know
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, they just got wings locked him up boom,
Speaker 1: And that squirrel was so sad kind of thing. And
Speaker 1: so I drawed that picture once because I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit of an artist, you know, like we talked about that.
Speaker 1: But no, when I was a little kid, I've seen
Speaker 1: one get ahold of a five year old like cousin
Speaker 1: of mine, scratched up the back of her a little back,
Speaker 1: you know kind of thing. Uh, they don't want to
Speaker 1: be your friends. I don't know. Have you been friends
Speaker 1: with a peacock? The only time I've ever communicated with
Speaker 1: one was I remember once I've been down the road
Speaker 1: and had my windows down. We're coming back from a
Speaker 1: turkey hunt in Madison County Wildife Management Area over in.
Speaker 1: Uh what Madison County? Have you been there? Yeah? I've
Speaker 1: been there? And uh, I remember a peacock sounded off
Speaker 1: right at an opportune time for me to hear it
Speaker 1: while I was driving. Can you do the same? Corresponded
Speaker 1: with the turkey hunting story, and so, uh I yelled
Speaker 1: at the peacock as we drove by. What does that
Speaker 1: sound like when the peacock yell okay? And then what
Speaker 1: did you do? I just went okay like that? And
Speaker 1: then you guys were friends or what? Okay? You might
Speaker 1: have made him mad, kind of like that guy you
Speaker 1: tried to sell the dog too. Dad. Do you have
Speaker 1: any questions about Tavern? Tavern's background or anything. He's got
Speaker 1: a good looking bicycle out there. I mean it looks
Speaker 1: like it was probably it's got some miles on the
Speaker 1: swin in the nineteen fifty nine. I I got a
Speaker 1: question for you. Gary said, okay, that's good man. Hit me,
Speaker 1: So I I the turkey salmon clay just said he
Speaker 1: ain't never seen one, and I don't doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: to be a person because you gotta believe he had
Speaker 1: on and people say you ain't never seen one of them?
Speaker 1: How do you handle that kind of I don't know, faidback,
Speaker 1: the cynicism, Yeah, the the pushback or the criticism. You
Speaker 1: sort of had to look at the i Q of
Speaker 1: the person, you know, So does that consider where it's
Speaker 1: coming from? Yeah, there you go. That's a better way now.
Speaker 1: On the interwebs, I don't know. I don't know them.
Speaker 1: You know, they'll just wing out comments like when you're
Speaker 1: gonna get a turkey salmon. It's like when you're gonna
Speaker 1: get one. You know, That's what I'm thinking in my head.
Speaker 1: I don't say that out loud. If you don't talk
Speaker 1: out loud on the interwebt p P people type it out.
Speaker 1: But so consider the source. Yeah, yeah, keep your consider
Speaker 1: the source, you know, keep your hair up, keep your
Speaker 1: head up. Brother. Okay, I appreciated Gary. Hey, I've found
Speaker 1: a relevant Black Panther pop culture data point. This week.
Speaker 1: I was with my friend Lee and Hatty Walt down
Speaker 1: in down where they live, and uh, Lee points to
Speaker 1: an oar a boat or I'll give you a prize
Speaker 1: of some sort, okay if you know the answer to
Speaker 1: this question. It's a trivia question. Boat or and on
Speaker 1: the boat? Or is a black panther straight up black
Speaker 1: panther on the wide part of the boat? Or? And
Speaker 1: uh Lee clicks on the television and a movie comes
Speaker 1: on and he says, I want to show you a
Speaker 1: movie clip because I asked him about the boat, or like,
Speaker 1: tell me about the black panther on the ore? And
Speaker 1: there is a movie and it's a scene where these
Speaker 1: two guys, these two old guys, are in like a
Speaker 1: public place inside of a building, and this one old
Speaker 1: guy is trying to prove that this other old guy
Speaker 1: doesn't know his stuff, you know. And so the one
Speaker 1: old guy goes, well, I bet you I can stump you.
Speaker 1: What is that? What does that mean? And he points
Speaker 1: to an oar with a black panther and he goes
Speaker 1: he the question is what is on the other side
Speaker 1: of the ore? And the man goes a rabbit smoking
Speaker 1: a pipe with me, do you know what movie this is? Okay?
Speaker 1: He takes the oar off the wall. There's a black
Speaker 1: panther on one side. He flips it and sure enough
Speaker 1: it's a rabbit smoking a pipe. And the guy that
Speaker 1: didn't think the guy would know it was like, oh really,
Speaker 1: but do you know why the rabbit smoking the pipe?
Speaker 1: And the guy says, the rabbit is at ease because
Speaker 1: he knows he's smarter than the panther. Punchline and it
Speaker 1: was a native It was some type of indigenous or
Speaker 1: Native American like thing. A black panther and a rabbit
Speaker 1: smoking a pipe National treasure? Wrong? Was this a cartoon?
Speaker 1: Is a real, real, live action live action? The movie
Speaker 1: is called The Edge with Anthon Hopkins. I've never seen it.
Speaker 1: We actually were considered watching it. Yeah it's about a bear.
Speaker 1: Considered watching it yesterday, but we didn't. Yeah. Black total,
Speaker 1: black panther reference, black panther, rabbit smoking a pipe. Just
Speaker 1: why is the rabbit smoking a pipe? It's just more
Speaker 1: proof that the black panthers. Exactly. I got even more
Speaker 1: proof this this very week. What a better specialist that
Speaker 1: you brought in here on the bicycle about what black black?
Speaker 1: What do you think about you? Ever? If you have
Speaker 1: you seen a black panther? I've never known your dad
Speaker 1: to lie, so you trust him? I mean, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know that's I mean, I've seen things that I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, make out the you know, in the distance
Speaker 1: and the shutters. Um, I ain't seen Bigfoot. I ain't
Speaker 1: never seen him. I got some friends to have, but
Speaker 1: I ain't never seen him. But the black panther, uh,
Speaker 1: I might have? Is it a mountain line? I don't know.
Speaker 1: When when you get towards us. What about her? Where
Speaker 1: was she? Oh, I'm not trying to. I mean, we
Speaker 1: could take this outside. You look pretty word, you know,
Speaker 1: I am a little worm scrappy too. Did your mama
Speaker 1: ever see a black panther? No mema memo. I don't
Speaker 1: even like to talk about animals. Yeah, you know. I
Speaker 1: think it's because she had a pet raccoon years ago
Speaker 1: and she don't know what happened to it, and she
Speaker 1: you know, you get attached to something and then it disappears.
Speaker 1: Although she do have a great score right now. She
Speaker 1: wants to build a kennel four and she don't know
Speaker 1: how to be like, I'm in charge of that, and
Speaker 1: she wanted she she want to make that thing at home,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's a squirrel mema. But she got
Speaker 1: her own plans. So but she Ain't never told anything
Speaker 1: about seeing a black panther. Really, no, she never seen that. See,
Speaker 1: I would say sixty five of women over the age
Speaker 1: of seventy that live in certain parts of the country,
Speaker 1: we'll just say I have seen a black panther. Those
Speaker 1: are hard hitting statistics that she throw it out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm surprised that your mama doesn't fit in that
Speaker 1: based on what I know about static. Yeah, six a
Speaker 1: seventy year old women in a certain region have seen Okay,
Speaker 1: I got it. Yeah, you didn't talk to me while
Speaker 1: about black panthers, did I guarantee? Is she's holding out
Speaker 1: on you? She might be. She she liked to save
Speaker 1: that for parties and stuff. I guess. Yeah. So the
Speaker 1: rabbit the panther, pretty cool. Okay. The second black panther
Speaker 1: data point was this very weak. A man sent me
Speaker 1: a a an actual flag of an of a a
Speaker 1: Native American tribe. It was the national flag. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're sovereign nations of indigenous people inside
Speaker 1: this country, and they have flags. It's like an American flag.
Speaker 1: They have this kind of flag, and uh, there is
Speaker 1: a flag that has a black panther on it. Straight
Speaker 1: up black panther. But the more I dug into it,
Speaker 1: the more I realized that they weren't necessarily saying that
Speaker 1: they were black panthers. Just the graphic of it had
Speaker 1: to be black, m because it couldn't be. It's their
Speaker 1: favorite color maybe, uh, And so it was. It was
Speaker 1: supposed to be a cougar, not necessarily a black one,
Speaker 1: but it was black. You're with me? Okay? Great? Well, um,
Speaker 1: Tavin do you need to Yeah, all, let's talk about me.
Speaker 1: Mom made me remember I gotta get get some stuff
Speaker 1: over to her on the bike. So, man, thanks for coming. Hey,
Speaker 1: it was good to see you all. Thanks for letting
Speaker 1: me cool off in here. Yeah. Man, the out take
Speaker 1: it to appreciate that. Oh yeah, she'll like that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just don't want to drop it on the way home.
Speaker 1: Newn Glass bottles. Boy, they do a number on the pavement,
Speaker 1: don't they. I'll see what I can do, all right, y'all.
Speaker 1: We'll see you later, all right, See Tavini, This is
Speaker 1: kind of an odd, odd podcast because I've got a
Speaker 1: second guest that's gonna come in. So Tavin has gone,
Speaker 1: but I would like to introduce you guys too, to
Speaker 1: my friend Joel Barry, Hey, Clay, Joel's going. Good to
Speaker 1: meet you. Man, is good to be here, Misty, Dad,
Speaker 1: If y'all met Joel, I just I just met Joel
Speaker 1: for the first time just today, but we've we've been
Speaker 1: following each other for a while on on the social
Speaker 1: media is such there's real people behind the social media
Speaker 1: is it turns out? Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. I have
Speaker 1: a character actually on social media with a newcomb really
Speaker 1: underscore newcomb, total character, like when you're around like me,
Speaker 1: like totally different than the guy on the screen, right, Misty,
Speaker 1: Uh no, Joel, So so you are Tavin Dialer. Yeah, character,
Speaker 1: I do tell us just a little bit about like
Speaker 1: like the the character and I don't know, just give
Speaker 1: us a little spiel. Yeah. I started in two thousand
Speaker 1: six on YouTube um and kind of built an audience
Speaker 1: that plateaued for about a decade until TikTok and Instagram
Speaker 1: and then it kind of found an audience in the
Speaker 1: last two years, the last three months on Instagram. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I've been building uh other things on
Speaker 1: social media as far as film and video production stuff,
Speaker 1: but tabing is definitely one of my favorites. So Tavin
Speaker 1: has like four and fifty something thousand people that follow
Speaker 1: him on TikTok thirty don't want to oversell it, okay,
Speaker 1: people to go there and be like, oh I thought
Speaker 1: it was worth twenty people stop following now. Um so
Speaker 1: so yeah, I was. I started seeing this tavern. I
Speaker 1: remember the first time that I saw Tavin on Instagram.
Speaker 1: It was one of those ones where you were sitting perpendicut,
Speaker 1: you weren't facing the camera, you were sitting sideways to
Speaker 1: the camera, and you turned your head and looked at
Speaker 1: the camera, had a p you can probably poetry, yes,
Speaker 1: and uh and and then this guy started talking and
Speaker 1: I was just like what It took me like a
Speaker 1: couple of watches to be like, is this like what
Speaker 1: is happening here? But it was such a familiar voice,
Speaker 1: not that I knew you, but the voice being I
Speaker 1: was like, this guy literally could be my neighbor. Yea, yes.
Speaker 1: And then I started watching it and I was like, uh,
Speaker 1: I just I was just like, this is pretty funny.
Speaker 1: And then I sent you what I sent you a
Speaker 1: message about if you remember I was. I think I
Speaker 1: was the first one and or I instigated our friendship
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, I appreciate that you have a
Speaker 1: comedy channel that isn't crass. Remember that, just like because
Speaker 1: I watched a bunch of stuff and I never, like,
Speaker 1: I kept waiting for it to be just like really crass.
Speaker 1: Like I just thought that was gonna happen because that's
Speaker 1: what comedy does. That's like that, that's what comedy does.
Speaker 1: And you didn't. And I just thought, Man, this guy,
Speaker 1: I want to throw him a bone. And so I
Speaker 1: reached out to you and then turns out you're not
Speaker 1: Tavin Dialer at all. No, I'm not Joel Berry. And
Speaker 1: that can be very disappointed to some people. That can
Speaker 1: make some people angry. Most people are pretty cool about it.
Speaker 1: Have you ever run into someone who thought who is
Speaker 1: happy to see Tavin and then found out you mean
Speaker 1: in person or online? No? Online, Um, it's happened where
Speaker 1: there's there's sincere disappointment. I ran into a lady last
Speaker 1: year in a restaurant in Arkansas and she saw me,
Speaker 1: and for some reason in my head, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't look like having So I go into a play
Speaker 1: and she's like, you're you're you're Tavin and but she
Speaker 1: was okay that I didn't, you know, I wasn't really
Speaker 1: like I was a character. Was a little disappointed when
Speaker 1: I met you, just a little bit. I could tell.
Speaker 1: I could tell when you made me riding the bed
Speaker 1: of your truck. And when I saw what what white
Speaker 1: straight teeth you have? I was like, come on, I
Speaker 1: mean because Tavin, that's Tavin's signature, is like the rough,
Speaker 1: the rough teeth. And that's one thing Tavin never talks
Speaker 1: about his teeth because it's too obvious that he never
Speaker 1: really talks about the dentist or brushing teeth because it
Speaker 1: seems like too obvious of a joke to make. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just a little fun fact. I kept getting. I
Speaker 1: was getting text messages the day when he premiered the
Speaker 1: Bargeries hadn't I'm watching always like who is this clown
Speaker 1: wearing a Bargeries here? Yeah? Yeah, And I just started
Speaker 1: doing the deep that I was watching everything And then yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you called me that day or so, Man,
Speaker 1: you got said who is this guy? Like? You gotta
Speaker 1: check this out? Yeah it was funny. I didn't know Brent.
Speaker 1: You never you never comment. Do you like him? You
Speaker 1: just keep scrolling? No, Man, I like him absolutely, Bank Bank.
Speaker 1: There you go. And so our kids watched Tavin. Our
Speaker 1: kids are big Tavan pants. They're really really big. And
Speaker 1: the day he wore a bear grease hat, bear sending
Speaker 1: out to the family thread. He's like, hey, y'all, bear
Speaker 1: like he's not real expressive, Like you say something to
Speaker 1: you and be like, hey, bear, we're gonna go, you know,
Speaker 1: like do something incredibly fun and he'll be like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, I said, uh said, Tavin Dillard's coming to
Speaker 1: our house next week. And I kind of got a
Speaker 1: little bit of a rise out of him. And he
Speaker 1: turned his head and looked at me and he said
Speaker 1: what And I said, Tavin Dillard's coming here. That sounds
Speaker 1: like a window. It was a big big that's basically yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah. Yeah. Well, I hope t having made it
Speaker 1: back to his me mall oh, he knows the way. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Bradleyville Dynasty basketball. This was this one
Speaker 1: out of the box for you guys. Here's here's the
Speaker 1: truth of the Burglary Podcast is that most of the
Speaker 1: people that are here every week don't It's not like
Speaker 1: I'm telling you always what I'm gonna do, Like y'all
Speaker 1: don't know. So you are kind of y'all kind of
Speaker 1: ingest this just like everybody, just like everybody else. So,
Speaker 1: so did did the title? Did did any of it?
Speaker 1: Were you like, oh wow, where's this going? It was exciting?
Speaker 1: It was like, oh no, it's sports. What do you think?
Speaker 1: The only reason it I loved it. The only reason
Speaker 1: I wasn't surprised because I know, I know y'all. I
Speaker 1: know you're all crazy about basketball. A matter of fact,
Speaker 1: when Alexis and I came up a couple of months
Speaker 1: or so ago, You're like, hey, y'all, come up, stay,
Speaker 1: but we're watching the basketball game. You come watch it,
Speaker 1: or you can go off and do your own thing.
Speaker 1: And you know it worked out good. You know, we
Speaker 1: all went out because the basketball thing was over early.
Speaker 1: But but I've known you guys like basketball and the ship.
Speaker 1: Would you anticipate by my looks that I'm as as
Speaker 1: good a baller as I am? I would not. I wouldn't. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I wish Tavin was here. I'd ask him. It's kind
Speaker 1: of funny because Clay, we'll go to that a joke.
Speaker 1: You mean to not say what I'm gonna say, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're gonna say. I'm just can
Speaker 1: we just I'm not not for every podcast, but just
Speaker 1: for this one. Let's just every time Clay cuts me off,
Speaker 1: let's remember that. But Clay actually will go and play basketball,
Speaker 1: and he's he is. He does run and stuff, and
Speaker 1: so he can. He's got stamina. And it's kind of
Speaker 1: funny because you could tell he chef loves pick up basketball,
Speaker 1: and so sometimes we'll go places and do pick up
Speaker 1: basketball with him, and Clay will go out there and play.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a you know, scrappy. That might be
Speaker 1: a nice way to say. He does not look like
Speaker 1: a basketball uh champion, but but he gets out there
Speaker 1: and he can. He can, he can stay with people
Speaker 1: and he can. He's real. Uh, it's kind of fun
Speaker 1: that I played pick up ball. I don't know you
Speaker 1: should tell this story. Yeah, let's just say I was
Speaker 1: the old guy and there was a group of young
Speaker 1: men playing ball, and I was in jeans and boots,
Speaker 1: not cowboy boots, but like hiking boots, and and let's
Speaker 1: just say some things didn't go so well for them
Speaker 1: for the and and they got mad. He got mad
Speaker 1: at me, and I later came and apologized to him.
Speaker 1: A young guy when that afternoon and we realized claim
Speaker 1: smoke to thirteen year old and was at it true?
Speaker 1: You talk to him? I did not talk about but
Speaker 1: he wasn't humble. I mean he was. It was like,
Speaker 1: if you're going to be the old guy and you're
Speaker 1: gonna take these true little young teenage very humble. I
Speaker 1: just didn't give him any slap and he got mad
Speaker 1: at me for playing defense too tough. I did not.
Speaker 1: I never breached my value system of what you apologize for.
Speaker 1: Then well, actually I can't really remember the details. I
Speaker 1: just think you were a little bit content with yourself
Speaker 1: and you kind of felt I'm sorry everybody, do you
Speaker 1: like point to the sky and after the store in
Speaker 1: your face, not to him, but you know, like that.
Speaker 1: But it was it was it was the defense was
Speaker 1: just a little bit sassy. I mean it was like,
Speaker 1: come on, these are teenage So now the whole world
Speaker 1: knows all of my basketball highlights that one time and
Speaker 1: that one time at Clarksville. That's all. That's all there is.
Speaker 1: There's nothing more. So like, what did you think of
Speaker 1: about Bradleyville podcast? That was good. I grew up in Dardnell,
Speaker 1: so Clarksville is not too far from there. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right right over there. Yeah, it's good. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean it didn't surprise me because you dig into history
Speaker 1: on this podcast, so I wasn't surprising. The sports thing
Speaker 1: I thought was cool because you can think about how
Speaker 1: many games are played every year, year after year after year,
Speaker 1: and people have records and teams and scores and whatever,
Speaker 1: but they kind of get glossed over after a while
Speaker 1: because it's like current teams usually only care about what
Speaker 1: they're accomplishing. I mean I would know when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, it's like, what have I done? So to
Speaker 1: to spend time on the story, I thought it was
Speaker 1: valuable and interesting. Well, it's it's of note that some
Speaker 1: of those records still stand to this day, like the
Speaker 1: sixty four game winning streak in Missouri high school basketball.
Speaker 1: You know, leon Comb said it's tied. There was a
Speaker 1: school that tied it and I don't know that story,
Speaker 1: but that still stands. Um dad, what do you think?
Speaker 1: You know? I thought the Hoosiers. I just thought, you know,
Speaker 1: we love a good sports story. I don't care if
Speaker 1: you're an athlete or not. I mean just everything is
Speaker 1: entwined in that thing. I mean, life, just whatever, you
Speaker 1: want to dig out of it. The story was awesome,
Speaker 1: but all of the like hidden truths in in character
Speaker 1: stuff was really really amazing. You know how uh these
Speaker 1: kids were coachable. You know, you gave the list of
Speaker 1: three things, you know, I mean that that they were
Speaker 1: they were coachable. They were ready. Uh they you know,
Speaker 1: they did what it takes to be successful, but they
Speaker 1: had to have some direction. They couldn't do it in
Speaker 1: the fifties because they had no jim. They had no direction.
Speaker 1: They get a little direction, get some backing from adults,
Speaker 1: and I mean they just go crazy and that you know,
Speaker 1: it was beyond basketball to me. Well, there were so
Speaker 1: many stories. It was kind of like pick your story,
Speaker 1: Like this book is full. Mr leon Komb's book is
Speaker 1: just full of history. It's almost like brad Leeville High
Speaker 1: School yearbook. You know, there's just all these pictures. He
Speaker 1: actually has pictures of the Howardville team that they beat stage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he went and interviewed those guys and he did
Speaker 1: a great job in in in this book. But the
Speaker 1: picture story thing I chose Leon Boyd to kind of
Speaker 1: highlight is the one character from the team that I
Speaker 1: just had access to. He was just up there still
Speaker 1: on Bradleyville. A bunch of those guys are still alive.
Speaker 1: And David Combs was the hero of the nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: eight team, which is Leon comes cousin. Um he's one
Speaker 1: that passed away. No, that was Darryl Paul that passed
Speaker 1: away when but David Combs, like, there's a whole another
Speaker 1: story in him. David Combs was a big time coon hunter,
Speaker 1: just like uh Leon Boyd and the story of him
Speaker 1: going down to Arkansas Tech because the coach was a
Speaker 1: coon hunter, and there's pictures in the book of of
Speaker 1: his coon dogs and him with his coon dogs, and
Speaker 1: there's so many things. I actually I'm now kicking myself
Speaker 1: because I didn't put this in the in the podcast,
Speaker 1: But there was a quote in the book about Leon Boyd.
Speaker 1: It said when he went down a hill in the
Speaker 1: Ozarks going to his dogs, it looked like a falling
Speaker 1: star shooting down off the mountain because he was so
Speaker 1: fast going to his dogs. He was And that's the
Speaker 1: old man that we hunted with me and Shepherd and
Speaker 1: uh Man, I just I just can't get enough of
Speaker 1: these older guys. Man Leon Boyd, the last person on
Speaker 1: the planet that he expected to show up to his house.
Speaker 1: Was somebody wanting to put him on a podcast. I mean,
Speaker 1: like literally, this guy, I mean he has a flip phone,
Speaker 1: he doesn't like I don't know if he's ever listened
Speaker 1: to a podcast, and he his humility. I said it,
Speaker 1: and I hope, I hope it made sense. But it's
Speaker 1: like it protruded from him with great force. That's the
Speaker 1: way I described it. It's just like you're around him
Speaker 1: and you're just like, this guy, it's just so humble,
Speaker 1: He's so uh. I don't you know, you meet some
Speaker 1: people that like, that's not the way you describe him,
Speaker 1: and it's not necessarily bad, but you would say, man,
Speaker 1: he was charismatic or he was had this or did this.
Speaker 1: It's like Leo Boyd was just like that's what came
Speaker 1: off of him. And a lot of folks that you've
Speaker 1: talked to that that you that have been highlighted on
Speaker 1: this thing, especially from that generation or like that, you know,
Speaker 1: they take and I don't know if it's they take
Speaker 1: solace in like the basketball. They enjoyed that so much,
Speaker 1: but they were they were playing on a dirt floor,
Speaker 1: you know, on the ground. They were shooting hoops that
Speaker 1: the blacksmith made. But it it wasn't picking cotton, it
Speaker 1: wasn't moving rocks. It was something other than that that
Speaker 1: they could focus on. And to this day where he's
Speaker 1: seventy eight, Yeah, he's happy and content to talk to
Speaker 1: you about that and to go coo nothing, because it
Speaker 1: ain't picking cotton, it ain't moving rocks, it ain't you know.
Speaker 1: Just they're satisfied and happy to be where they are
Speaker 1: in life. And it's there's a lot in that to
Speaker 1: be in in in my world. So in my way
Speaker 1: of thinking, I'm being happy where you are. And if
Speaker 1: you're not happy to do something about it, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm happy. Oh. I thought it was so entertaining. I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. And I listened to all but the
Speaker 1: last five minutes of it with ship and so what
Speaker 1: he thinks. He really enjoyed it, and he we would
Speaker 1: pause and talk about it and it was it was
Speaker 1: really good. And I would saying, now, which one was this?
Speaker 1: So I kind of heard some of the stories leading
Speaker 1: up to this, so I kind of knew, I knew
Speaker 1: what what was coming, but I thought it was great.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to tell this one story
Speaker 1: that I want to come back to specialization verse being
Speaker 1: a generalist and kind of qualify that statement, but I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you this story, and it just didn't fit
Speaker 1: into the podcast. But so Leon Combs eight seven years old.
Speaker 1: He's like he was the main guy that carried us
Speaker 1: through the podcast, and he was as sharp as attack.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of times I've interviewed a lot of
Speaker 1: older people and sometimes like they don't they've never listened
Speaker 1: to podcasts mode, they don't understand the medium, and and
Speaker 1: and and man, he was just like he sit down
Speaker 1: with me, and he was just like, tell me what
Speaker 1: you need. And I said, well, I'm gonna do a
Speaker 1: podcast on this this okay? And he and and he
Speaker 1: he was just like so on point and like he
Speaker 1: would say, now would this story be relevant for you?
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, well not really, and He's like okay.
Speaker 1: And he he was just really good. But he did
Speaker 1: tell me one story that I wasn't able to use.
Speaker 1: But and I mean he told it for me to
Speaker 1: put on the podcast if I wanted to, so I
Speaker 1: don't he wouldn't mind me telling it. But he when
Speaker 1: he was a toddler, his father murdered his mother a
Speaker 1: murder suicide and his so his mother and father passed away.
Speaker 1: They ship him out to California for for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: I don't know the details, but he went to California
Speaker 1: as a two year old. And then his I wanted
Speaker 1: some family member back in Bradleyville, Missouri. Communicates with them
Speaker 1: and this is uh in the would have been in
Speaker 1: the thirties, I think when he would have been born
Speaker 1: eighty seven years from right now. Um, And they the
Speaker 1: family member says, will take the boy. So they send
Speaker 1: him back and the mail man, the Bradleyville mail man,
Speaker 1: delivers Leon Boyd to his to the man and woman
Speaker 1: that were related to him but would become his father
Speaker 1: and mother. And and he never knew until he was
Speaker 1: older what happened. He just it was his dad. And
Speaker 1: he had like this wonderful, great childhood and and and
Speaker 1: and a really stable home. They were very poor, but
Speaker 1: they were it was a very stable home. And then
Speaker 1: Leon Combs goes on to become like extremely financially successful.
Speaker 1: I don't know this man well, but I cannot. He's
Speaker 1: been very let's just say he's been very, very financially
Speaker 1: successful coming out of Bradleyville and he said he was
Speaker 1: the first kid out of Bradleyville schools that went to college,
Speaker 1: and he was in the military and he hitch hiked
Speaker 1: out west and he he just had his wild story.
Speaker 1: It's actually in this book right here. He gave me
Speaker 1: a book. I forgot about it. Um, Okay, this isn't
Speaker 1: all about his life, but it's called Bradleyville, My Hometown,
Speaker 1: a collection of short stories and memoirs. But anyway, Leon
Speaker 1: Leon Combs, what a guy. Yeah, and so you know,
Speaker 1: these are stories that you can't even tell. I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a part of the basketball thing, but couldn't be.
Speaker 1: Two part series, could have been? Could have been? I
Speaker 1: have a basketball question. Is it common to tile a jim?
Speaker 1: Maybe during that time? I don't know, because it seemed like, man,
Speaker 1: they had to finish a halftime because they couldn't. We're slipping.
Speaker 1: I was like, tile that sounds yeah back there in
Speaker 1: that time, that's what they did. I don't know. Probably
Speaker 1: a financial deal. Hardwood would have been too expensive. They
Speaker 1: only had fifteen hundred dollars plus donations. Yeah. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: So the general idea, like basically this story introduced us
Speaker 1: to another story that has more to do with life,
Speaker 1: which was so when when I first told Misty this story,
Speaker 1: this is where Misty's fingerprints on Barry Grease in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways. I told her about Bradleyville and these
Speaker 1: guys being coon hunters, and she said, hey, you ought
Speaker 1: to talk about David Epstein's book about specialists and generalist
Speaker 1: And I said, great idea. And uh, we actually tried
Speaker 1: to get David Epstein on the podcast. We had a
Speaker 1: very short time window. So perhaps he would, I'm certain
Speaker 1: he would. He would probably come to the render with Tavin.
Speaker 1: Probably we had. It was a very short time window.
Speaker 1: We couldn't make it happen, so I brought in the expert. Misty. Um,
Speaker 1: after you heard that conversation, how did do you think
Speaker 1: it came out the way we wanted to? I think it.
Speaker 1: I think it came out. I thought it came out great.
Speaker 1: Um Sheep and I were. You know, when we listen
Speaker 1: to podcasts together, we often stop him and give our
Speaker 1: own little sub commentary. And on that part, you know,
Speaker 1: because he would like to be a specialist, he I
Speaker 1: think he would prefer to be, Yeah, just a mono
Speaker 1: focused persona. It'd be easier for him to do that
Speaker 1: that's that's an appealing proposition. It's just do the thing
Speaker 1: you love and nothing else. Yeah, right right, I mean
Speaker 1: that's a that's an appealing proposition. Yeah. So so we
Speaker 1: were talking in sp Um. He actually went and brought
Speaker 1: out another book when we started talking about this that
Speaker 1: he was reading back in is that someone gave him
Speaker 1: about skill development in basketball. And he said, y'all should
Speaker 1: talk about this, and he talked about this guy was
Speaker 1: saying everybody should be It was like the pro specialist
Speaker 1: argument that these guys make seventeen million dollars a year
Speaker 1: because when people throw them the ball, they can get
Speaker 1: a shot off fast and always make it. And he
Speaker 1: said this this isn't And this was a book that
Speaker 1: Chef was reading. I don't even know where he got
Speaker 1: it from. And I was like, well, because I didn't
Speaker 1: like the the the argument. I was like, well, I said,
Speaker 1: you know, that's a pretty narrow You know, they've been
Speaker 1: you know what I always tell the kids, they've been
Speaker 1: in three thousand people who played in the NBA their
Speaker 1: whole life. Get a plan B. You don't have any
Speaker 1: any need to think that that's genetics are against you
Speaker 1: on this one. We don't. We don't have the height
Speaker 1: to play in the NBA. So anyways, so Hip, that's
Speaker 1: not what oh boys homeless now so so anyway, so Chip,
Speaker 1: but Chip said, well, he said, I don't agree with that.
Speaker 1: He said the counter and he just volunteered this. He said,
Speaker 1: the counter argument on that is Lebron James gets paid,
Speaker 1: and he somehow new Lebron James salary off the top
Speaker 1: of his head because he can get shots off. He
Speaker 1: could do this, he could do that, he could and
Speaker 1: he named all the things that Lebron James does on
Speaker 1: and off the court, and it's like a good thing
Speaker 1: in Chip, I mean, at least, I don't think that
Speaker 1: success is really should be quantified in terms of the
Speaker 1: millions of dollars that you make. But I was, I
Speaker 1: was grateful. He was thinking, yeah, well, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to If if I can go back and redo
Speaker 1: the podcast, I would probably say that I think specializing
Speaker 1: is great. I mean, we need experts. There are things
Speaker 1: that I have specialized in that have you know, made
Speaker 1: me an expert in the same quote unquote at some level.
Speaker 1: And all. The only point I was making is that
Speaker 1: sometimes these other things can make you even better then
Speaker 1: if you had just specialized in it. Do you see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, I think yeah. I think
Speaker 1: what we would say is that it's okay to have
Speaker 1: a thing you're really good at like it's and and
Speaker 1: probably there should be something in everyone's life that they
Speaker 1: spent ten thousand hours on and and learn and get
Speaker 1: to get to do. But we should all be complex
Speaker 1: people like That's I think that's the most important thing
Speaker 1: on our on our end, is that a lot of
Speaker 1: times you are a specialist at the cost of all
Speaker 1: these other things. Where specialization does it just speak to
Speaker 1: how you spend your time, but it speaks to who
Speaker 1: you are. You are this thing and what we want
Speaker 1: to communicate to our kids is you are not a
Speaker 1: basketball player. You are not a smart person. You are
Speaker 1: not a musician. You are first and foremost a human being,
Speaker 1: a spiritual being, and someone that has a lot of
Speaker 1: complexity to them. Put those as you like, on that backdrop.
Speaker 1: Don't let those things be the backdrop for everything else.
Speaker 1: I thought that was clear. That was a good one.
Speaker 1: It's not what your arts who you are. I noticed
Speaker 1: in uh in my career that you had several types
Speaker 1: of highly successful people far above where I ever accomplished.
Speaker 1: And some of them were great c p A s
Speaker 1: that a guy kind of like me that was a
Speaker 1: generalist could use. And you pull this guy in and
Speaker 1: you call him off to the side, and you go, hey, man,
Speaker 1: tell me what to do. You know, well, this guy
Speaker 1: is so good he ends up like owning the world.
Speaker 1: But the guy that is a generalist hires people like
Speaker 1: that and pulls them in. He's got he's got all
Speaker 1: these specialists around him, and in a couple of them
Speaker 1: are just so sharp that all of a sudden they
Speaker 1: get up here and they kind of become generalists. But
Speaker 1: it's a personality thing. The crazy kid in college ends
Speaker 1: up with that personality where where he can sell, he
Speaker 1: can communicate, and and so you know you need both kinds.
Speaker 1: Exactly what you said. Do you think I relayed your
Speaker 1: philosophy on bringing us up well on the podcast and
Speaker 1: a few sentence I talked about it, well, I thought so.
Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty clear. One thing that was
Speaker 1: real clear to me, though, was the spousal abuse. Still,
Speaker 1: you came up with a new way for this hashtag,
Speaker 1: let misty speak. It's almost in reverse. I could not
Speaker 1: believe you did this man? What did juju? Here's oh no,
Speaker 1: what did I do? Okay? Here, here's what you did.
Speaker 1: You're you're asking, You're asking Missy a question, and the
Speaker 1: question is why to why to rule communities like basketball
Speaker 1: so much? But before she had a chance to answer,
Speaker 1: you gave answer. You gave you gave like a tent
Speaker 1: page dissertation on it. So by the time Missy had it,
Speaker 1: I mean, she was real polite, and she you know,
Speaker 1: she took her ten seconds and tried to make not
Speaker 1: make you look like an abuser. And she didn't say,
Speaker 1: remember I'm the one that told you all that stuff
Speaker 1: you just said earlier. Yeah, yeah. And what made it
Speaker 1: even worse once she so politely repeated a few of
Speaker 1: the things that you had already said because there was
Speaker 1: nothing else to say, said that you totally hate hey, hey,
Speaker 1: you totally award her answer and immediately said, I wonder
Speaker 1: how many kids out there if killed bear and and
Speaker 1: shot a deer with But I mean, and I mean
Speaker 1: just totally this could be, this could be taken to court.
Speaker 1: I just feel vindicated today and this is we told
Speaker 1: you that on my shoulder. But it was good. You
Speaker 1: have an awesome spouse. You have an awesome spouse. Remember
Speaker 1: that crow Tabin was talking about has he taste? Yeah?
Speaker 1: My fit? Well I did it another time, and this
Speaker 1: was I mean, I'm aware of what's happening here. Um
Speaker 1: there was another time and it just was the in it.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask miss the question, but I had
Speaker 1: to put in something that that I had said. First.
Speaker 1: I talked for a real long time and then she
Speaker 1: got to talk. Do you know what part I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: I didn't. Maybe I could get away with that again.
Speaker 1: You know, the truth is we all do that all
Speaker 1: the time. I mean, it's just what we asked a question,
Speaker 1: we already know the answer, we want to tell him
Speaker 1: what we think about it, and you just kind of
Speaker 1: I don't know, but we all do exactly what you
Speaker 1: did at times. But anyway, I actually I did pick
Speaker 1: up on that while he's sticking about because I was
Speaker 1: there too. And I also what Clay cut out is
Speaker 1: when I looked at him when he asked me that question,
Speaker 1: I said, you just answered it. She actually did. And
Speaker 1: I'm not defending myself, but um, I did answer the
Speaker 1: question before she got a time to starry, and she said,
Speaker 1: what we just said it and then she went on,
Speaker 1: so I had to cut it out. When you're building
Speaker 1: and editing a podcast and the burger shrender is supposed
Speaker 1: to be behind the scenes of burgers, there's sometimes just
Speaker 1: a quantity of information that has to be there, and
Speaker 1: that was all I had. It was real hard to
Speaker 1: get that audio because we're sitting there with parents and
Speaker 1: people and they we're in a basketball game, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I just had this recorder and I pulled out and
Speaker 1: I just do it real quick, and I knew what
Speaker 1: I needed to be said, and I wanted to include
Speaker 1: Mr In because I had told him what needed to
Speaker 1: be said earlier, like on this exact topic, not on
Speaker 1: the whole thing, but I wish were here. It worked well,
Speaker 1: Um what was uh? I was gonna ask one of
Speaker 1: you what what was the most Well, Okay, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what my favorite part was. Every single time that
Speaker 1: I have listened to that basketball game, I don't even
Speaker 1: I don't like, I really wouldn't think that, like the
Speaker 1: recording of an old basketball game, would the four overtimes? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would like get me emotionally stirred. I was listening
Speaker 1: to it in my truck and like got cold chills,
Speaker 1: which is a rare thing for me. But I think
Speaker 1: just getting inside of this story and meeting these people
Speaker 1: and going to Bradleyville, you're kind of immersed into it.
Speaker 1: And you meet Leon Boyd and you just see his life,
Speaker 1: just the underdog nature of it. I mean, but when
Speaker 1: that old radio da DA here in Columbia, Missouri, the
Speaker 1: Bradley Bill Eagles is playing the Howard Bill Hawks, and
Speaker 1: then you know for overtimes true, I mean, it just
Speaker 1: was a neat It was so cool and and and
Speaker 1: I discovered that this this audio recording was even available
Speaker 1: by Leon comes I didn't realize it, but the CD
Speaker 1: was in the back cover of the book and he said,
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, you can use it, put it on there,
Speaker 1: and I just thought it was in neat. Did y'all
Speaker 1: think that was cool? You know? One thing I wanted
Speaker 1: to know was how tall is this Combs guy? And
Speaker 1: I mean, what did they have any big people on that?
Speaker 1: The three there was there were three six, three guys
Speaker 1: and then that's pretty good they but see they fouled
Speaker 1: out two guys that were six six and that was
Speaker 1: part of their strategy. So if they hadn't have done that,
Speaker 1: I mean their strategy worked, they're playing work and uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's pretty incredible, pretty incredible bradley
Speaker 1: Ville Eagles. So what was what was the most what
Speaker 1: was the favorite part of the podcast? Print Like, was
Speaker 1: there one spot that you're like that was cool? My
Speaker 1: favorite part was Ship ye at the end of course
Speaker 1: on known Ship the majority of his life. And I
Speaker 1: know when he asked you the question, are we are
Speaker 1: we gonna go back and see this guy? Are we
Speaker 1: going to be friends? You know, I think he took
Speaker 1: a lot of value and I know it a lot
Speaker 1: of it was just because of the basketball thing. I
Speaker 1: know that, But I know that kid, and I know
Speaker 1: he had a good time when y'all went hunting up there,
Speaker 1: and I and he's a he's a smart lad, And
Speaker 1: I think he was soaking up a lot of things
Speaker 1: and seeing a lot of potential and a lot of
Speaker 1: fun and good times that he could have being in
Speaker 1: the presence of that guy. So that my favorite part
Speaker 1: was it was old Ship soaking it in and really
Speaker 1: digging what was going on up there beyond basketball and
Speaker 1: something that happened before is dad it was even born.
Speaker 1: My chefs take on it there because It actually surprised me,
Speaker 1: and I tried to say it in a diplomatic way,
Speaker 1: like chef here that part, because I kind of knew
Speaker 1: it was coming. Ship. The chef is not pumped about
Speaker 1: coon hunting, like I've drugged a kid around his whole life.
Speaker 1: Like Misty sent a picture on our family tex saread
Speaker 1: to day of of a picture of all the kids
Speaker 1: with the dogs, and I mean hips like that tall,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's like it's not always fun to
Speaker 1: be the youngest child. I mean, no telling how many
Speaker 1: coon trees he's been to. Nope, telling how many coons
Speaker 1: he's carried out of the woods on his back, you know,
Speaker 1: carrying him by the hind leg, strode over his shoulder.
Speaker 1: It's just not his thing. Like he's now fourteen, and
Speaker 1: he will go with me occasionally just because I'm like,
Speaker 1: come on, Chip, let's go, and he'll he'll come. He's
Speaker 1: your clay. Yeah, he'll play golf. Actually I don't think
Speaker 1: he will. He's had the opportunity recently and he's he's
Speaker 1: just so he is truly very and I think that's
Speaker 1: part of what we've really challenged hip to be is
Speaker 1: that's like the you know, at different seasons of your
Speaker 1: kid's life, you kind of focus in on different aspects
Speaker 1: of their character that you you want to build. And
Speaker 1: that's our agreement with him because we actually we are
Speaker 1: letting hip specialize more than we've ever let him specialize before.
Speaker 1: And we've been real slow that I mean we have really,
Speaker 1: I mean, there are people who truly believe that we
Speaker 1: have made mistakes that we did not. They would be
Speaker 1: like athletic advisors type people like coaches and other people
Speaker 1: that we haven't done the like given him all the
Speaker 1: opportunities he needs to be developed at age fourteen, and
Speaker 1: and I'm our thing with him is that, hey, we
Speaker 1: actually do feel like this is a season where we
Speaker 1: can let you expand a little bit. You're going into
Speaker 1: high school. He does have good character, he has you know,
Speaker 1: he's outgrown the context that he's been in. I had
Speaker 1: somebody asked me what our philosophy was with our kids,
Speaker 1: because I didn't want the podcast to be all about Chap.
Speaker 1: I just thought it was a neat I just wanted
Speaker 1: some complexity to the story. And and that's why I
Speaker 1: was interested in the story because we love basketball, and
Speaker 1: but Shepherd has ever since he was two years old,
Speaker 1: love basketball and has really dedicated himself to it all
Speaker 1: these years. They went through the phase of you know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to play in the n b A and
Speaker 1: we're like, no, you're not. This is never gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And basically nothing like shooting the kids drinker okay quickly,
Speaker 1: the boys all, it's a joke in our family because
Speaker 1: we one time we watched the NBA draft Molik Monk
Speaker 1: was getting and by the way, the night that Malik
Speaker 1: Monk from Arkansas got drafted, the announcer on ESPN said, now,
Speaker 1: that guy shot more squirrels than anybody else on the
Speaker 1: square to night, and I was like, I was crying.
Speaker 1: I was so proud. That's right, Arkansas are but blake
Speaker 1: if you're hearing this brother, come on to the bar,
Speaker 1: because that's what he talked about, being out in the
Speaker 1: Delta with his grandpa shooting hunting squirrels. But anyway, so
Speaker 1: he uh, the night he got drafted, we were watching
Speaker 1: and the boys were just enjoying listen to all these
Speaker 1: little speeches that these guys were given about their mama
Speaker 1: and how you know she believed in when no one
Speaker 1: else did, and those about boys said man, if we
Speaker 1: ever get drafted, we're gonna stand up and say, our
Speaker 1: mom told us for a very young age, genetics are
Speaker 1: against you. There's whatever to this one. She faithfully took
Speaker 1: us to practices, faithfully cheered, and she did not believe.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I haven't. Shepherd was so wanted
Speaker 1: to be so focused on basketball that for years we
Speaker 1: just kind of I never emphasized it. I never validated
Speaker 1: him that much, just kind of just like, whatever, basketball
Speaker 1: is not that important, and we pushed him away from it,
Speaker 1: and he stuck with it. And then basically a year
Speaker 1: ago at the time when if they're really going to
Speaker 1: have a future in basketball, are gonna go for it,
Speaker 1: it's time to get behind him. And so we actually
Speaker 1: had a family meeting where we sat down and we said, Shepherd,
Speaker 1: you have all these years stayed dedicated to basketball. And
Speaker 1: I mean I could go through all the stuff he does.
Speaker 1: It's pretty incredible the amount of discipline that he has
Speaker 1: and how much he loves it. And I said, you
Speaker 1: have become what we wanted you to become, because the
Speaker 1: last thing we wanted Joel was to have a kid
Speaker 1: that was like a superstar ball hog, like like arrogant,
Speaker 1: little punk kid that's a star basketball player. We've all
Speaker 1: seen him. We didn't want that who was a star
Speaker 1: basketball player but had no moral character and get into
Speaker 1: some environment and he can't. Yeah, it's like we didn't
Speaker 1: want him. His identity to be I am a star
Speaker 1: basketball player who also has the age limit on when that,
Speaker 1: I mean that the identity only lasts so long. And
Speaker 1: so as I found out after my night and Clark
Speaker 1: stalls later, let's probably make a podcast about that one day.
Speaker 1: So the the so chep was just disciplined chips. The
Speaker 1: biggest thing we're working on Chip right now inside of
Speaker 1: basketball and the levels he's playing in is to shoot
Speaker 1: it rather than pass it like he we we taught
Speaker 1: him like, don't be a ball hog. If you score
Speaker 1: all the points and nobody else scores points, that's bad.
Speaker 1: Like we we we really trained him a certain way
Speaker 1: of thinking about sports, and it's become ingrained in him
Speaker 1: and it's become his default. And then this year we said, hey,
Speaker 1: you pass the test. Now we're gonna get behind you
Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about a formal declaration of intent
Speaker 1: and we're going to get behind you and say okay,
Speaker 1: now we're gonna let you specialize. So if I could
Speaker 1: say it that way, and and so we we he
Speaker 1: tried out for a team. He's on that team. I mean,
Speaker 1: we told him we're gonna get behind you, we're gonna
Speaker 1: support you, We're gonna let you try out for some
Speaker 1: some teams that were bigger than the context that he
Speaker 1: was in at that time. But our deal with him
Speaker 1: was that as a high schooler, he's got the internal
Speaker 1: maturity to now say I have to be responsible for
Speaker 1: my own character. And the phrase we gave him his
Speaker 1: pan optic management. We want him to be complex, not simple.
Speaker 1: And so he's got there's there's bargains, this is a deal,
Speaker 1: and and we don't want him to have one muscle
Speaker 1: that's really strong and the rest of his body that's
Speaker 1: weak and not able to do anything. So I want
Speaker 1: his room clean, I want him to do the tours.
Speaker 1: I want him to have good grades in school. Chep
Speaker 1: is real smart and he should he should have a
Speaker 1: plan B. I'm not sure where the high gene that
Speaker 1: he got is gonna take them. And even if it
Speaker 1: did take them to places, I would want him to
Speaker 1: have character when he got there and be able to
Speaker 1: be complex, be well read, be educated, do those things.
Speaker 1: And so that's what I meant on the podcast when
Speaker 1: I spent said, we do sports, but we do it
Speaker 1: on our terms. I don't want it to sound like
Speaker 1: we're trying to push our kids away from specialization. Because
Speaker 1: specialization can be good, but you just need more and
Speaker 1: it's helpful to have more. And so that's why, like
Speaker 1: I was talking about Shepard not liking coon hunting so much,
Speaker 1: That's why when we came away from Leon Boyd's house,
Speaker 1: Shepherd instigated that conversation. There was no Mike's going like
Speaker 1: the last thing he thought was I was gonna talk
Speaker 1: about what he was saying to me. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: pulling out of the driveway and he goes dead. Are
Speaker 1: you gonna be friends with Mr? Leon? Like you are? James?
Speaker 1: And I just looked at him and I was like
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what he was asking. And I
Speaker 1: just gave him a real practical answer. I said, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Chep, I just met Mr Leon. I don't
Speaker 1: you know. He's a very nice man. We had a
Speaker 1: great time with him. He lives in a long ways
Speaker 1: from us. I mean, I don't know that I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be able to come back over here that much. And
Speaker 1: he like, he said, Dad, I don't think it's right
Speaker 1: for you just to have him on your podcasts and
Speaker 1: us us never come back over here. And I said,
Speaker 1: do you want to come back over here? And this
Speaker 1: is a boy who's not pumped about coon hunting and
Speaker 1: he said yeah, and he I love that because Leon
Speaker 1: Boyd is just the kind of guy that you would
Speaker 1: want your son to look up to. And Chef liked
Speaker 1: it that he was a ball player. But it's just
Speaker 1: I could tell Chef just like this old man and
Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah. I liked it, like Leon Boyd has character.
Speaker 1: Did did you? I didn't hear it in the podcast,
Speaker 1: but Leon Boyd played basketball on organized basketball till he
Speaker 1: was seventy and he got a shoulder injury coon hunting
Speaker 1: and had to stop. That's pretty cool, pretty good way
Speaker 1: to go out and play the glory. Oh, talking about
Speaker 1: a kid specializing. I hired a guy one time to
Speaker 1: be a banker out of college for one reason. On
Speaker 1: his resume he was the top three point shooter at
Speaker 1: his college. And and really it may be I didn't
Speaker 1: have the original thought, but the guy and myself that
Speaker 1: we're hiring him the guy he pointed out, anybody that
Speaker 1: is the top three point shooter in their conference in college,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a top banker or whatever field they
Speaker 1: get into. And sure enough, this guy was a whiz
Speaker 1: bank And I mean he's just Scott rocketed. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: actually he actually got out of banking. And I would
Speaker 1: just bet that he's really really done well. I know
Speaker 1: when I checked on him ten fifteen years ago, he
Speaker 1: had done really well. Well. It's discipline. You know. If
Speaker 1: I'm a lucy goosey guy and I don't finish projects
Speaker 1: and I just monkey around, I won't be the same
Speaker 1: way when I go to work for you. But if
Speaker 1: if I'm I got my act together and I'm shooting
Speaker 1: a thousand shots a day, I'm going to shoot a
Speaker 1: thousand shots for you when I go to work for you. So,
Speaker 1: and I mean that there's a lot to be said. Now,
Speaker 1: if that's all he can do is shoot, I mean you,
Speaker 1: as you're moving through the shooting process, you've got to
Speaker 1: develop a personality where people like you. You can communicate,
Speaker 1: you can sell. Devin knows that. So I think what
Speaker 1: you're talking about two is drive and I think that's
Speaker 1: the thing about with sports, with hunting, with whatever you've
Speaker 1: got your kids interested in. I do think it's important
Speaker 1: to let them have things they're passionate about because it
Speaker 1: produces that that drive. You can't it's hard. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's some things, there's some subjects in school that we
Speaker 1: just have to make our kids work hard at when
Speaker 1: you're when your child is motivated towards something, I think,
Speaker 1: and that's what I love about sports is that it
Speaker 1: is a place to really develop character. And it's the
Speaker 1: same thing I like about hunting, like when Bear went
Speaker 1: hunting last year. To me, it doesn't really matter as
Speaker 1: long as it's you know, wholesome stuff, what they're into.
Speaker 1: It's good too. It's good to let kids have passions.
Speaker 1: It's good to let them care about something because that
Speaker 1: drive produces things in them because they want to do it.
Speaker 1: And so that drive helps them learn discipline, learns, how
Speaker 1: to take defeat, learn how to you learn how to
Speaker 1: take all the different challenges that come into stuff. So
Speaker 1: it's good to My concern with the current generation would
Speaker 1: be that there's a lot of kids out there that
Speaker 1: don't really have drive for much at all, and so
Speaker 1: it's it's good too. It's good to let them go
Speaker 1: find go find drive and to identify things that would
Speaker 1: distract you from finding things you're passionate about and limiting
Speaker 1: those things. And even in losing. Uh, Leon Combs want
Speaker 1: two games in four years. But but he went on
Speaker 1: to be successful because you know, he stayed with it
Speaker 1: for four years. And in my one of my favorite
Speaker 1: part was when he said, you know, we got beat
Speaker 1: sixty four to six, but he couldn't wait to get
Speaker 1: to the next game. And you ask, I wonder why
Speaker 1: it's so he could bounce a basketball on a hardwood floor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, it's like, you know, if you've been
Speaker 1: in a box your whole life and you get to
Speaker 1: look at every now, man, I mean that looking at Yeah,
Speaker 1: get slapped in the face when you look out, you
Speaker 1: look out, Yeah, yeah, I mean you know. So anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that was interesting. One thing, Leon Combs, this is
Speaker 1: totally off the off the topic of sports. Leon Combs,
Speaker 1: he told me when he went out into life, he
Speaker 1: lived this very isolated rural life in the Ozarks. And
Speaker 1: he said that old people, the old timers used to
Speaker 1: do what they call saucer coffee Yeah, have you ever
Speaker 1: heard of that? Yeah, Oscar Newcam did that. No way'll
Speaker 1: tell us what. Well, I don't know, I've never heard
Speaker 1: of it. Talked is like a but he would just
Speaker 1: take his coffee and plut it in a saucer and
Speaker 1: drink it. I have a saucer to cool it off.
Speaker 1: It's exactly Yeah, he's Mr. Leon Boyd said that when
Speaker 1: he went I think he went out to California when
Speaker 1: he was like nineteen or something and he saucered his
Speaker 1: coffee and he said that people made fun of him.
Speaker 1: And he was like, what we get made fun of coffee?
Speaker 1: And he said he said, yeah, you get a cup
Speaker 1: of coffee, hot coffee, and you pour it into a
Speaker 1: saucer so that it has the surface areas spread out
Speaker 1: and you can blow, blow and saucer saucer and blow,
Speaker 1: and then you drink it out of the saucer like
Speaker 1: a little plate. Hey Joel, Yeah, tell us, Uh, tell
Speaker 1: us just a little bit about sweet Tea. Films where
Speaker 1: people can find Tavin. I'm sure he's back with Meme
Speaker 1: all by now for Tavin Dillar podcast. They can find that,
Speaker 1: you know, wherever they listen to podcast. Uh. Sweet Tea
Speaker 1: Films or Tavin Dellar dot com both the same things. UM,
Speaker 1: And that's where you can find all the work I'm
Speaker 1: up to and the stuff that I'm doing. UM. I
Speaker 1: will say kind of what we've been talking about with
Speaker 1: I don't know, you gotta wrap up, but UM, I've
Speaker 1: talked to a lot of college students over the years
Speaker 1: about their craft because a lot of people want to
Speaker 1: make it in film. And one of the things I've repeated,
Speaker 1: which is true for anything in life. What we've been
Speaker 1: talking about is that one of the things I say
Speaker 1: often is you've got to Uh. First of all, you
Speaker 1: can't just have a paper resume. Your portfolio matters in
Speaker 1: the arts, which means if you say I directed a film,
Speaker 1: it could have been a horrible film. But if you
Speaker 1: show someone in your film, they can say, Okay, you've
Speaker 1: done it. I said, so, first of all, your portfolio
Speaker 1: needs to exist, like you need to be out there
Speaker 1: doing the work before you get hired anywhere. The other
Speaker 1: one is beyond time and be easy to work with,
Speaker 1: and that's true for anything, but that's those disciplines that
Speaker 1: show up over time. And then it really is how
Speaker 1: you relate to people. I think Gary mentioned the coach's
Speaker 1: approach and how the players like, no, he wasn't mean,
Speaker 1: he didn't yell, he didn't show up and screen, but
Speaker 1: he worked hard. But there's there's actually a way to communicate.
Speaker 1: And I think some people buy into well, uh, that's great,
Speaker 1: but I can get stuff done this way. But over
Speaker 1: the long haul, if we're mistreating people and getting good results.
Speaker 1: Over the long haul, you look back and there there's
Speaker 1: a lot of damage that's been done that could have
Speaker 1: been avoided. You actually could have had a bigger impact
Speaker 1: if you kind of done it kindly or more more more,
Speaker 1: I guess right in a way. So, um, that's something
Speaker 1: that I was thinking through about, you know, this this
Speaker 1: specific episode that you did, and then also just approaching
Speaker 1: kids and careers in general. It's like, it's true those
Speaker 1: things never got a style. Yeah, you know they work
Speaker 1: in every field. Be easy to work with. Yeah, any
Speaker 1: field you go in, that's going to be helpful. Yeah.
Speaker 1: To that point, we were well, I won't say I
Speaker 1: was going to slander Eyes an NBA player. Another another
Speaker 1: conversation that Ship and I had recently about probably one
Speaker 1: of the greatest NBA players that's alive today is basically
Speaker 1: untreatable because he's so stinking hard to work with. We
Speaker 1: won't mention his name. Yeah. Yeah, it's just been interesting
Speaker 1: that it's been interesting to watch this trade season because
Speaker 1: there's some pretty amazing players out there and no one
Speaker 1: wants them. You know, the the points that you're making there,
Speaker 1: you had these kids that were just hungry. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't see that anymore. You had a coach that
Speaker 1: that was that was complied and loving and kind, and
Speaker 1: the reason he could do that. You got all these
Speaker 1: players just going yes or yes or yes sir, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I get to run ten miles today, all right, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen. I mean, that was one time in
Speaker 1: the last fifty years that's probably happened. And they won
Speaker 1: state championships and and so it's just kind of proof
Speaker 1: that there's more to the recipe than just discipline. This.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a a bunch of stuff thrown into
Speaker 1: pot and it's tough to get it. And this day
Speaker 1: and time, these kids, you know that sometimes they're called
Speaker 1: snowflakes and things. You know, I think I'm probably an
Speaker 1: old snowflake, but I mean, you know, it's just our
Speaker 1: society were so impressionable. I mean, you can just tell
Speaker 1: a kid he's great, he thinks he's great, and telling
Speaker 1: him he's terrible, he thinks he's terrible. It's it's kind
Speaker 1: of dangerous really, And we're telling our kids a bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff today that you know, might not allow them
Speaker 1: to win a state championship. What if there was just
Speaker 1: no state What if they finally got down to the
Speaker 1: final game and they were just like, no, we can't
Speaker 1: do this. Everybody gets a trophy, yeah, or everybody gets
Speaker 1: a trophy. They're like, no state championship game, you don't
Speaker 1: deserve it. Um, get back into reality. Well, great podcast, Joel.
Speaker 1: Is that anything else you want to tell us before
Speaker 1: we leave? I think I've told you everything. I know.
Speaker 1: I know everything in my head right check out check
Speaker 1: out Tavin Tavin Dillard on TikTok and Instagram. All you
Speaker 1: cool young people like me that are on TikTok all
Speaker 1: these old other old people like everybody in this room,
Speaker 1: every everybody in this room except for me. Joel Berry
Speaker 1: is not on tiktoktok a correction, what you mean owned
Speaker 1: TikTok okay, but I got rid of it once I
Speaker 1: found out what the Chinese are doing to us. I mean, I,
Speaker 1: you know, first first thing on TikTok, first thing on TikTok,
Speaker 1: I had to go through and clean it up, you know,
Speaker 1: because it was terrible. And so I went through and said,
Speaker 1: I'm not interested, not interested, right right, you know, my
Speaker 1: cardinal side was going, what but you know, you see
Speaker 1: clean it up and it's really really good. But then
Speaker 1: I find out that they're checking on me, you know.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I don't know, I tend to be
Speaker 1: because we used to hear that three or four years
Speaker 1: ago and we just kind of blew it off, and
Speaker 1: now that's coming up again. Well, I think it, just
Speaker 1: to be fair, I think that TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, all
Speaker 1: of them are checking on us. I mean, everybody's going, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm so self righteous about it
Speaker 1: with TikTok, but it also it runs your battery China,
Speaker 1: battery management, yeah, battery management. I think that it's a
Speaker 1: real testament to how cool Clay is that he's on TikTok,
Speaker 1: because he refers to it as the talk. Wow, that's
Speaker 1: that's even cool. And I'm not even sure that anyone
Speaker 1: else refers to it as the talk but when you
Speaker 1: put the in front of it, yeah, the Walmarts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exam that our kids, our kids laugh at because he
Speaker 1: listens when he doesn't really spend a ton of time
Speaker 1: believe it or not on Instagram or TikTok or any thing.
Speaker 1: But when he does, he watches the rule reels all
Speaker 1: the way through at full volume. And apparently that's not
Speaker 1: cool because when he does it, all of our kids
Speaker 1: will look at each other and I mean he puts
Speaker 1: it at and Clay can't hear great, So I mean
Speaker 1: the volume is like super and so he's watching it
Speaker 1: and it's like blaring, and we're all just watching him
Speaker 1: like this is not how you watch, it's not how
Speaker 1: you do this. And he's just sitting over there laughing,
Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of funny. It's it's all the kids.
Speaker 1: It's pretty entertaining. Really, it's very entertaining. The one that
Speaker 1: you're in. The lady that goes down and opens up
Speaker 1: the rooster's cage every morning, she's got the robo and
Speaker 1: she's looking to see if the cameras going. It's really
Speaker 1: funny that I'm sure, Yeah it was me. Yeah, every day.
Speaker 1: It is like a battle, just you have to work
Speaker 1: yourself up to get in there. Mm hmm. Well, Gary
Speaker 1: and Misty has slide track at the end of the
Speaker 1: agrees for him to wrap up. It's great to see everyone, Joel,
Speaker 1: thank you for coming, thanks for having really appreciate it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad to be here. Tavin Dillard check him out
Speaker 1: Sweet Tea Films, and uh yeah, we'll see you next
Speaker 1: week on the Real Beargrease Podcast. I know I need
Speaker 1: to know what I ran to win.