1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show. 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 2: Degree free dot Com. This woman helps folks get jobs 3 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 2: without buying college degree tech to trades, she describes it. 4 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: She's based in Montgomery, Texas, and that gives me occasion 5 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: to pay tribute to I believe the late Great I 6 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: think he passed because I never got to meet him, 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 2: and I was bummed about this relatively recently. Right, Oh, 8 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: it's just not right. Francis Rodney Zambone, I believe it 9 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 2: was his name. Francis Rodney Zambone was from Montgomery. He 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 2: wrote under the name Mark James. I wish he'd kept 11 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 2: Zambone because I think that's a I mean, Frank Zambone. 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: I like that better than Mark Jane. Mark James is 13 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: just anyway. He wrote always on my Mind that Elvis 14 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 2: made famous Moody Blue Suspicious Minds the only Elvis song 15 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: that I ever know of being covered with with any facility, 16 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: with any success, and that was Dwight Yoakum's version. And 17 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: that's because he kind of he took it to punk country, 18 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: and so that changed the style, and I think that's 19 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: the only reason I tolerated. He wrote, uh hooked on 20 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: a feeling for uh what's his name? For bj Thomas. Anyway. 21 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: He was from Montgomery, She's from what that's all he wrote, 22 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 2: just a few of what he wrote. Her name is 23 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: Hannah or Hannah? Before we ask her, what do you 24 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: think it is? You're gonna go Hannah? Okay, Hannah Mario 25 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: Maru Yama, Maru Yama probably a good Japanese name. The 26 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: website is degree Free. This is the kind of thing 27 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: that I think could help a lot of folks. So 28 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: Hannah or Hannah, which is it? 29 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: It's Hannah, It's Hannah. Thank you so much for having 30 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: me on. 31 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: Michael, Now tell me you reached out to me with 32 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: a kind of here's what I do or your PR 33 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: person did or whatever. Did you know this is something 34 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: that don't lie? Did you know this is something that 35 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: I talk about often? Or were you just scattershotting out 36 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: there to everybody that might put you on. 37 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: No, sir, I had a list and you were on it, 38 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: and I did. I did do a little bit of 39 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: research prior before I gave I gave instructions to my 40 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: guy to reach out. 41 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: Okay, your site degree free dot com. The book you 42 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: can get wherever you buy books. It's called Degree Free, 43 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 2: Way Workbook, Parent what is your purpose here? What are 44 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 2: you trying to accomplish? 45 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: What I am trying to do is I am trying 46 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: to keep the next generation of Americans out of unnecessary 47 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: student loan debt, and I am trying to save them 48 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars in years of their lives 49 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: that they do not have to spend on a college 50 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: campus learning from people who have never done the things 51 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: that they are teaching them how to do. 52 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: And what got you interested? Did you have experience with 53 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: your in your own life or with your children with this? 54 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: I do so. I personally just finished working in AI 55 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: and machine learning for the past three and a half 56 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: almost four years, and I built a fairly successful tech 57 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: career where I out earned the media and PhD by 58 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: I would say probably about two hundred and fifty percent. 59 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: And I did that without buying a college degree myself. 60 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: And seeing what I saw when I was doing that 61 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: really helped me to understand how employers are hiring. And 62 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: then the disconnect and the amount of misinformation there is 63 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: around what parents think their kids have to do to 64 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: get the jobs that are actually going to help them 65 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: live the way they want to. 66 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, you're a redhead. Did you know she's 67 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: a redhead. She doesn't sound like a redhead. What is 68 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: your maiden name? O'Shaughnessy or. 69 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: It's it's Shattck. But yes, I am very Irish. My 70 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: husband's the Hawaiian Japanese one. 71 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: Well, Hawaiian japan is our executive producer, Chad Nakanishi. So 72 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: you're in good company here. I'm looking at your at 73 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: your house. Yeah, he's he's thicker than Chad, but I 74 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: think Chad could take him because Chad fights every day. 75 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 2: And what what is mister? What is mister? He's a boxer? 76 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 1: No, no, no, I was asking if Chad was a boxer. 77 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 2: No, he's really more a ground game guy. Although if 78 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: I bragging on him at this point, he says, I'm 79 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 2: not any good anymore. But he's got the cauliflower ears. 80 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: He trains every day, but he can't strike anymore because 81 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: his shoulder is destroyed and he doesn't want to have 82 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: another surgery on it. He he uh, he has absolutely 83 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 2: ruined his body by fighting so much, so long. He 84 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 2: came back the other day and he had a big 85 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 2: old scrape across his leg and he leaves in the 86 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: middle of the day, so we work like two shit. 87 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: He gets in insanely early. He gets up and works 88 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 2: out at two thirty he gets in it I think 89 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: four or four thirty, who knows, nobody's here yet. And 90 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: he preps all the way up till eleven thirty, leaves, 91 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: goes and trains, and then comes back at two and 92 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 2: then he's here for who knows however many hours, like 93 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 2: he works a graveyard shift compared to the rest of us, 94 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: because it's all he has to get his training in. 95 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: So what does mister Maru Yama do. 96 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: Mister Mariyama runs all of the other side of the business, 97 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: so that all I get to do is talk about 98 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: the problems that I see, the solutions that we can make, 99 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: and then work with the young adults. And so he 100 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: does all the boring back of the house stuff for 101 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: the business so I can do all the fun stuff. 102 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: So I looked y'all up, and it says, I don't 103 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: know how old you are now, but y'all were twenty 104 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: nine and twenty six at the time, and you were 105 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,679 Speaker 2: living in Honolulu. I'm assuming that's where he's from. Chad's 106 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 2: from the Big Island by the way. And then and 107 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: you're from Montgomery, y'all decided to come back here. 108 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: So I'm actually not from Montgomery myself, my husband, and 109 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: my husband is from Hawaii. He his entire family is 110 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: from there. I lived there when my dad was in 111 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: the military, and that's actually how we ended up meeting. 112 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: But we moved to Montgomery during COVID because why, I 113 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: got pretty crazy during the lockdowns, and so we decided 114 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: that that was not a fit for our family and 115 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: the things that we wanted to the way we wanted 116 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: to live our lives, and so we came here. We 117 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: picked it off a spreadsheet, We did a bunch of 118 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: research about places that were good to live, and this 119 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: is the place that we ended up and we've been 120 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: here for four years and we love it. 121 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: That's crazy. Nobody's in Montgomery from Hawaii because they found 122 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: people were in Montgomery because they got a job, their 123 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: family lived there, and they they're there and they like it. 124 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: But nobody looks at a mountain says, well, I guess 125 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: we'll end up in Montgomery, Texas. That is nuts. 126 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: We did, Okay, it was top of the list. It 127 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: was top of the Excel sheet. 128 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: Did you go to college? 129 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: I did not I'm degree free, so I guess technically 130 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: I did. 131 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: Like, how make it sound like it's a disease. I'm 132 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: degree free, I'm safe. 133 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: Well have you have you? If you've met a recent 134 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: college graduate, you know it is a little bit, but 135 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: you know, I I went for about I actually got 136 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: into a university when I was sixteen. I do well 137 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: enrolled where I grew up in Savannah, Georgia, because my 138 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: dad was stationed there in between me moving back to Hooi, 139 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: and I ended up fully due enrolled. And then my 140 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: experience in college was that I did not do well 141 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: because I ask why too often, and my professors were 142 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: not interested in people that ask why and don't adhere 143 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: to the orthodoxy that's present on campus. And because of that, 144 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: I wasn't. I think that the way that I thought, 145 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: or the questions that I asked were more of an inconvenience, 146 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: which kind of shocked me because I wasn't expecting it 147 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: to be so anti intellectual when I went on a 148 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: college campus. 149 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 2: Hold on just a moment. Our guest is Hannah Mariyama. 150 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: The website is degree free. I was poking around on 151 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 2: it during the break. There's a lot there and you 152 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: can learn a lot about her and then she's got books. 153 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: There's a one on one you can do with her. 154 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: And yes, it will cost money. I know people nobody 155 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: has a problem paying for some things, but they don't 156 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: want to pay for other things. It's the craziest thing 157 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: that legal work is the funniest one for me, Hannah. People, Hey, 158 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: you have a lawyer who just looked this over me 159 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: real quick. Yeah, before I do that, what's your budget 160 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: of what you're willing to pay. Well, I don't need 161 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: to hire me, and I just wanted to look it over. 162 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: But you understand they're looking it over because they spend 163 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: all this money to go to law school. Lawyering is 164 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,119 Speaker 2: the one thing people think they ought to get for free, 165 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: Like they want to walk right up to the edge 166 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: of when they'll ever have to spend a dollar and 167 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: then pull back so they get enough legal advice but 168 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: never have to pay for it. Nobody says I'm gonna 169 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: go to the dentist. He can clean about half my teeth, 170 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 2: but don't give me the floor, eyde rans or any 171 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: of that. Just half it. And when it's not free anymore, 172 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: let me know and I'll get up and run out. 173 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: It's the weirdest thing. Anyway. I like what you're doing here, Hannah. 174 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 2: What are some the ten cool careers teams can land 175 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 2: without a degree. Let's talk about what kind of careers 176 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: we're talking about. It's not all digging ditches. 177 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: No, it's definitely not, Michael. And that's actually one of 178 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: the things that while I do appreciate a lot of 179 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: the a lot of the people who do talk about this, 180 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: people who have done a lot of work raising awareness 181 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: about the trades, people like micro and that comes to 182 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: mind where he frequently talks about this. But the thing 183 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: for me that stands out is a lot of kids 184 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: already know about the trades. They can see the trades, 185 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: they already know about jobs, they can see. One of 186 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: the things that we found when we work with young 187 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: adults a degree free is that they are very limited. 188 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: They only really can name about six to eight jobs, 189 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: sometimes twelve on the high end, but they're all jobs 190 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: you can see. There's a reason they all want to 191 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: be cops, firefighters, teachers, doctors, nurses. And then every girl 192 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: you meet right now, every teenage girl wants to be 193 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: a psychologist. And I think it's because a lot of 194 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: the teachers just wish they had become psychologists. 195 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 2: Well, and because these they're all going to therapy. 196 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, So it's it's something they can see. 197 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: And so one of the things that's such a rub 198 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: for me is that people a lot of these kids 199 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: know about the trades. The problem is that now everybody 200 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: wants to go into the trades. And there's nothing wrong 201 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: with that. Then. So Ryan, my husband, was a firefighter. 202 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: Actually he has an economics degree that he didn't use, 203 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: and then he became a firefighter later in life. My 204 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: own youngest sister is actually a structural welder at a 205 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: steel company. She currently works on rocket chips. She makes 206 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: more than a master's degree. Holders it's very she's the 207 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: only it is hot, and she's also the only girl 208 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: at the whole steel company. 209 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean in terms of you know, it's 210 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 2: really you can sweat a lot at that job. 211 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: Oh no, she she does. She gets burned all the time, too, 212 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: But she she think that's. 213 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 2: Cool and I do think it's hard. So let's talk 214 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: about some more of these show. Let's talk about some 215 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 2: more of these coolers. 216 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: One that I really think people need to know about 217 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: that doesn't fall into I'm going to give you a bunch. 218 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: All of them are going to out earn the average 219 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: master's degree holder. None of them require college degrees. You 220 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: do not, your child does not to buy a college 221 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: degree to do these things, and none of them are 222 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 1: actually trade. So the first one is a pilot. Right now, 223 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: there's not a single US airline that still requires a 224 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: college degree to become a pilot. Delta was the last 225 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: one to remove it in twenty twenty two, so it's 226 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: old news, which is probably surprisingly is awesome. I think 227 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know that because people tend 228 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: to be pretty surprised when I say it. Also, there 229 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: are flight schools. Your average flight school right now, with 230 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: a guaranteed pipeline into one of these airlines is going 231 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: to cost you less than the average bachelor's degree, which 232 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: is going to run you about one hundred and four 233 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: to one hundred by six k. And so if you 234 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: want your child to have a high earning skill that's 235 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: tied to a legal license, then pilot. A pilot's license 236 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: is definitely a good one. The next in Houston specifically, too, 237 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: is going to be cloud computing specialist, which is a 238 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: type of it's a type of data tech certification, and 239 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: Houston is getting an inflow of data centers. There's a 240 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: ton of work in those. It's a little bit of software, 241 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: a little bit of hardware, a little bit of electrical work. 242 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: But it's not a trade necessarily. It also crosses into cybersecurity, 243 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: high paying, high demand. A lot of people will train 244 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: on the job for that. Surgical technologists also high demand. 245 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: That's very medical. You assist in operating rooms and it's 246 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: a start program QE shortage of fire alarm installation texts 247 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: so nice at certifications where they go in and train 248 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: them how to actually uh you know, do low voltage 249 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: low voltage installation and that leads directly into business ownership 250 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: for a lot of kids too. 251 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: Can I interrupt you, Hannah. I have a friend, ye 252 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 2: athlete has a company called Platinum Environmental, and they've got 253 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: you said Nicis or Nisis, however you want to pronounce it. 254 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: He got certified for environmental remediation and environmental consulting. They're 255 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 2: working on the border wall. He's doing city, county, state work, federal. 256 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: It's amazing. Hold on singly degree free, dot Com, stay tuned, lifeless, 257 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: black Eyes, It's take a dous Hannah Maruyama is our 258 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 2: guest degree free dot Com. I want to go back 259 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 2: to those careers you talked about, but I want to 260 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 2: talk about what the one on one sessions look like. 261 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: Sure, so the do you want me to do the 262 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: careers first and finish up that list? 263 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 2: How many more did you have? 264 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: I got five more? 265 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: Okay, why don't you do one career and then like 266 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 2: a minute on the one on one and then one career. 267 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: I'm just shitting finish the careers, go ahead. 268 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: Gotcha my next one. I have a young lady pursuing 269 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: this right now. Actually she's in Louisiana is court reporting 270 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: and stenography, which is a really really good, great job, 271 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: a lot of flexibility. She wants to be a mom 272 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: long term, so that's something that really fit into what 273 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: she wants in the futures for as flexible work. Actuary 274 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: is one that people are often surprised does not require 275 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: a college degree. It's a series of very difficult tests, 276 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: but it is. In fact, there is no degree that 277 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: is legally required for that job. Just persistence and heavy math, 278 00:13:55,840 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: heavy math, heavy stats. Another one that people are overlooked, 279 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of retirement in is construction and 280 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: oil field scheduling, and that's something that's a little bit 281 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: like project management, but you can get assistant in junior roles. 282 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: There a ton of people retiring a great opportunity, great 283 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: industry often that pays over one hundred thousand dollars as well, 284 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: so great six figure job audio engineering which is big 285 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: as you know, broadcasting, film, podcast production. And then digital marketing, 286 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: which is one that can often often be got through 287 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: very inexpensive, very very accessible certifications online. And then it's 288 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: just a matter of you know, applying to enough jobs. 289 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: Well and then we take for granted. And I think 290 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 2: people get burned on this when I talk about sales jobs, 291 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 2: which I know salesmen make a lot of money, a 292 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: lot hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars that may 293 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 2: or may not have college degrees and certainly weren't required 294 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: to have one. Is everybody that wants to get into 295 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 2: sales sees a sign while the drive down the road 296 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: it says, you know, you can make up to x 297 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 2: amount of money. They never going to and it ends 298 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: up being telemarketing, and nobody wants to do that. They've 299 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: all seen Glengarry, Glenn Ross and they don't want to 300 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: end up Jack Lemon's character. But there are lots of 301 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: small companies and mid sized companies that are looking for 302 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: people that are presentable and that can present, that can communicate, 303 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: that can show up to work every day. As you know, Hannah, 304 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: half the battle and being successful is showing up, not 305 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 2: being drunk, not being under the influence, not having a 306 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: bad attitude, looking people in the eyes, delivering on what 307 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 2: you're told to do, and managing to show up to work. 308 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 2: That is so hard for people to do, especially early 309 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: in their careers. And if you can do that consistently, 310 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 2: especially small owner operated, you can end up rising through 311 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: the ranks. But who am I telling? Tell me about 312 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: the one on one sessions. 313 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: Sure, so, I'm very proud of the process that we've 314 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: created both, mostly because we've done it through just trial 315 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: and error. Put hundreds of kids through this process at 316 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: this point, and basically the way we cheat young adults 317 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: to pick careers now is kind of insane. We've completely 318 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: disregarded Masso's Higer group needs. We don't think about what 319 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: they actually need to make, where they want to live, 320 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: how much you know, what kind of schedule they want 321 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: to have, and so instead we do the opposite because 322 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: right now in high schools, high schools are just college pipelines. 323 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: All they do is cell degrees. All they do is 324 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: sell paper, and all they do is push. They push 325 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: one hundred percent of these kids into college. If they 326 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: don't want to do that, they ignore them, They let 327 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: them fall through the cracks. And then if the only 328 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: o the tool they have is the military, now they're 329 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: kind of using trade schools a little bit. But instead 330 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: we go, oh, like follow your heart, Oh your test 331 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: scores are this, so you can be an engineer or 332 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: you know, here's some random personality tests. You like to 333 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: work with your hands, so go be an electrician. That's 334 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: a terrible crazy way to have seventeen and eighteen year 335 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: olds choose what they're going to do first after they graduate. 336 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: And so instead we've done the opposite. So it's a 337 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: complete one to eighty, which is what do you want 338 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: your life to look like? Where do you want to live? 339 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: Do you want to stay in your hometown? Do you 340 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: want to move somewhere? You know if and this is 341 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: a huge one, but schedule you know, long term? Do 342 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: you have a family, do you want to be home 343 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: with your kids? And this is for for boys and girls. 344 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: But one thing that's completely under addressed to women for sure, 345 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: is is that a priority for you? If so, we're 346 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: looking at a different set of skills, different set of 347 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: work that's going to help you to accomplish that in 348 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: your life, because that's what's going to make them actually 349 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: fulfilled by their job, because their jobs not their life. 350 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: And then after that we talked about, you know, how 351 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: much money do you want to make to do the 352 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: things that you want the right A good example is 353 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: is Chad You're you're you know, you're you're in your 354 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: you're in house Hawaiian. Uh he you know, he trains 355 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: and it costs money to train. And so I worked 356 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: with the young man who really wanted to spend a 357 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: lot of time training in jiu jitsu, but that's expensive. 358 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: You know, as he moves out of his parents' house, 359 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,719 Speaker 1: he's responsible for his own bills. He's got to make 360 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: enough money that he can pay to train, you know, 361 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: and that's something that he cares about. And so we 362 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: were looking at jobs that will fulfill that so you 363 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: can pay you know, pay for his rent, pay for 364 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: his food, a lot of protein, and then you know, 365 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: go train, and then we also think about the type 366 00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: of schedule that they want to have. You know, do 367 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: they they want to work you know, they want to 368 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: work swingshifts, they want to work oil field work. Do 369 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: they want to work four days a week? You know, 370 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: because that's going to give you a different set of jobs, 371 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: and what's the priority to them. And once we put 372 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: those things in order, then our team goes out and 373 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: we just research. We just go out to the whole internet. 374 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: There's three thousands, six thousand different jobs out there. We 375 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: add hundreds more every single month, and we go through 376 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: and we find where they live or where they want 377 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: to live, what jobs are going to fit those things, 378 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: and then what skills employers actually need them to learn, 379 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: and then we give them options to learn those things. 380 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: All of them are faster and cheaper than a college degree, 381 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: because a college degree really just slows you down nowadays, 382 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: and it costs way too much for what they're going 383 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: to teach you, and they're actually not going to teach 384 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: you anything employable, So you're going to get out and 385 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: have to do the exact same process that we do 386 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: a degree free. You know what, eighteen year olds, what. 387 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: You're talking about there and this is very important that 388 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: people here is that you have agency over your life. 389 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 2: I know so many people, and I've known since I 390 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 2: graduated high school, that they get out of school and 391 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 2: they're like being blown about like a leaf because they 392 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: don't know. Nobody told them. And where did you go 393 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 2: to work? Well, so and so was hiring. What did 394 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 2: you do well? They put me over here doing this. 395 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: What were your hours, Well, they had me working overnights. 396 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 2: When you create, we live in a glorious time for this. 397 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,239 Speaker 2: When you create that skill set, that ideal life for you, 398 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 2: and you consider your skill set and passions and all 399 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: those sorts of things and you go looking for it, 400 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: it's amazing. And it might be a dog rumor, it 401 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: might be a karate instructor. It might be a oilfield 402 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 2: scheduling or actuary or court reporter or any number of 403 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: other things. That's what I love is the idea of 404 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 2: planning the life you want and then going to find 405 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 2: it rather than who's hiring. Well, that's not a long 406 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: term that's not a long term success goal. I love 407 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 2: your approach here, and I absolutely love it. I think 408 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: this is fantastic. It's degree free dot Com, degree free 409 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 2: dot com coming up. I'm going to ask Hannah Maryama. 410 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to ask her the however many minutes we 411 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 2: have available most the things that most people don't know 412 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 2: that would make the biggest difference. So the low hanging fruit, 413 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 2: the things that come up the most that she helps 414 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: people with, and how you can get started today as 415 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 2: a parent or as a young person. I'm a person 416 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 2: a big one forgetting your kids involved in this process. Mommy, 417 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: don't do it all for them, Okay, Hannah Maruyama, the 418 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 2: redhead married to the Honolulu Native, I want to know 419 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 2: what are the issues that come up the most when 420 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 2: people start their one on one training. By the way, 421 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: you can have one on one training with her, or 422 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 2: you can buy the book, or there are workshops and 423 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: workbooks and all sorts of stuff. It's all at degree 424 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 2: free dot com. And I'm not saying don't go to college, folks. 425 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 2: I'm saying, just explore your options, plan your life. Don't 426 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 2: be blown about by the winds. Okay, what are the 427 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 2: low hanging fruit, Hannah. 428 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: So low hanging fruit? Well, there's a few things that 429 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: parents need to know, I think, and that's parents are 430 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: the biggest of whether or not they're kids buy college degrees, 431 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: but a lot of parents just don't have the right information. 432 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: They think their kids can only get good jobs if 433 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: they go to college. But really that's just not the 434 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: reality of it anymore. The market right now shows that 435 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: a zippercruiter's quarterly reports came out fourteen point five percent 436 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: of job listings mentioned college degrees at all, and then 437 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: on indeed it's eighteen percent, so it's a less than 438 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: one in five that even say a college degree is preferred. 439 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: We actually went through the Bureau of Labor Statistics and 440 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: we counted and found that only seven point seven percent 441 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: of jobs in our entire country actually legally require the 442 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: purchase of a college degree to get. Interestingly, Josh Shapiro, 443 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: Governor of Pennsylvania, he removed degree requirements from all state 444 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: jobs that weren't necessary. There's i think twenty four states 445 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: that have done this so far in the last two years. 446 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: But when he did that, it mirrored our data and 447 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: it freed up ninety two percent of the state jobs 448 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. So almost a direct you know, directly related 449 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: to our data WOUILD is ninety two point three percent 450 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: of jobs don't require degrees so it's just staggering. A 451 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: lot of parents just think, oh, this is the only 452 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: way for my child to be successful. It's the only 453 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: way for them to get a spouse. I'm sure you've 454 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: heard that. Actually, Michael, how how many people do you 455 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: think meet their spouse on a college campus these days? 456 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: I have a good one for you. 457 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 2: For people who go to If you don't go to college, 458 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 2: you can't meet your spouse there. But let's say for 459 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 2: people who go to college, I'll best fifty eight percent 460 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 2: meet the person while they're at college. 461 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: Point seven four percent of people meet their spouse on 462 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: a college campus. 463 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, so even just going to just god, wow, 464 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 2: that is very interesting, very you know, there's so much. 465 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: I have so many friends that are big UT families, 466 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: or big Texas A and M families, or big Alabama 467 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 2: family I've talked to one of my dogs yesterday and 468 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 2: his daughter's graduating from Auburn, so I sent him war 469 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 2: Eagle and they're so proud. And families invest in the image, 470 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 2: you know. I know people that the most important thing 471 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: they want you to know about them is they went 472 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 2: to UT or they went to A and M. And 473 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,239 Speaker 2: they they're seventy five, right, and it's their identity the 474 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 2: way somebody's a Vietnam Vet, that's their identity. I'm an 475 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: aggie and you go, okay, that's great. But I think 476 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: that people see that and they take from it the 477 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 2: wrong thing. 478 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: I would agree with that, and I completely see why 479 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 1: people do. It's because it's such an emotional purchase for them. Right, 480 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: they're spending so much money so early in their life, 481 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: or their families are and nowadays, I mean, the goal, 482 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: and this is the thing we all should be asking, 483 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: is why is there so much pressure on high schoolers 484 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: to do this? This is the only kind of debt 485 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: that is bankruptcy exempt, and it is bankruptcy exempt specifically 486 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 1: for seventeen and eighteen year old kids whose parents are 487 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: co signing on these loans. Why in the world is 488 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: there so much pressure on these kids to do this 489 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: so young. College is not going anywhere. Colleges are businesses, 490 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: they're hedge funds. They're always going to take your money. 491 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: They're aways going to take your kids money because it's bankruptcy. 492 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: As in debt, it's six figures on average, Like, why 493 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: don't you wait until your child's twenty five because you 494 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: might be able to cover the whole cost of their 495 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: degree if they actually need it at that point, because 496 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: no longer will your income be determining how much your 497 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: child's getting charged, because they're not trying to reach through 498 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: your child to get you. The largest group right now 499 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: that's taken out student loans is actually grandparents because they've 500 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: tapped the parents out. The parents have their own student loans, 501 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: and now they're going to the grandparents to get them 502 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: to take out loans. And now you're threatening homes, you know, pensions, 503 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: all kinds of different things because of the amount of 504 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 1: debt pan and they're not questioning value. 505 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 2: How's your kid going to be a sigma co if 506 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 2: they're not in college? 507 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: You know what? You know what, Michael, I'll say you 508 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: my middle sister, she was actually in the military, because 509 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: there's no my family didn't have the money to pay 510 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: for four kids to go to college. You know, I 511 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: was paying my my own way when I did go 512 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: before I broke out. But my youngest, my middle sister, 513 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: not the welder, but the other one, was actually an 514 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: officer in the military. She still has student loans she's 515 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: paying off even though she had rot you know, she 516 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: went ROTC but just you know, taking on loans to 517 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: live the life, to live the college life that you 518 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: haven't earned yet. And so many kids get caught up 519 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 1: in that and parents are the ones that are on 520 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: the hook for it. But the parents are the ones 521 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: that told them they had to go in the first place, 522 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: and so they can avoid that. And it's not you 523 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 1: don't go, just don't go until you actually need to 524 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: or until you're sure what you're doing, because so many 525 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: of these kids have no idea what's out there. And 526 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: that's that's the biggest thing we found. But in the meantime, 527 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of sales. I think that all 528 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: kids should go into into sales. I think that if 529 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: you're looking for how can you equip your child now 530 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: for the future of work. And because I just came 531 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: from AI, one thing I tell parents is there's three 532 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: big things you can do. One thing is Toastmasters or 533 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: local small business Chamber of Commerce. Amazing everybody has access 534 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: to those things. Find those groups. It doesn't matter how 535 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: small of the town that you live in. I know 536 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: there's one in Montgomery. I know it's a small town, 537 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: but there's Toastmasters. Go take your kids and teach them 538 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: how to public speak if you want them to be 539 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: able to conquer the world, because these kids cannot a 540 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: lot of them. They can't look people in the eye, 541 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: you know, you know, just they can't look people in 542 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: the eye. They can't speak. And all your child has 543 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: to be able to do is do that and let 544 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: them use AI tools heavily, because colleges are punishing them 545 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: for doing that right now. And it's like watching somebody 546 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: pay somebody one hundred thousand dollars to kick them in 547 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: the knees before they have to go run a marathon. 548 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 2: Okay, glad, I didn't think you were going to say knees. 549 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 2: And I love what you've done. 550 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: You know, I'm from Savannah, so I love what you've done. 551 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: Thank you. 552 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 2: And in the midst of it, not lost on me 553 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 2: is you have done exactly what you're teaching other people 554 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 2: to do. You have You and Ryan have created a business, 555 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: right and you've you've used technology. You're obviously the face 556 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: of the company. You're a great commune cator, you're you're 557 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: you're good at this, You're good online. And so in 558 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 2: the midst of all this, here is yet another business 559 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 2: that is being created, and some people are uncomfortable with that, 560 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 2: you know. I like to talk about making money and 561 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: how we make money and how much money you want 562 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,479 Speaker 2: to make and how you want to live and what 563 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 2: you want to do with that money and all the 564 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: fun you can have and things you But I love. 565 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: I love that you have set this up, that y'all 566 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 2: have created this life, that you you find a spot 567 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 2: on the map based on all the factors you want. 568 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 2: You know, uh, low cost of living close to an airport, 569 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 2: and you know all the things that probably went for you, 570 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: low crime rate. It's it's it's how you want to live. 571 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 2: And it's even beyond your career. It's a question of 572 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 2: what kind of life do you want to live? What 573 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 2: kind of person do you want to marry? Whoever shows 574 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 2: up next to you at the bar and you sleep 575 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 2: with and you wake up the next morning why not? 576 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 2: Or somebody that shares your values that you would want 577 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 2: to go on a road trip with what you want 578 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 2: to do for a career, where you want to live? 579 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 2: I love it, Hannah. We should have you back. You're wonderful. 580 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 2: Tell Ryan thanks for sharing you with us for or 581 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 2: is it been an hour? Wow? 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