1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: So it's Sunday, March seven, and it's about to be 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, eleven am. And right now I'm in Matamotos, Mexico. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: I'm in a small plaza that is right next to 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: where the migrantent encampment is. I recorded this audio earlier 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: this year, the day after a migrant camp just across 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: from Brownsow in South Texas was cleared out. For almost 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: two years, it was the home for hundreds of mostly 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: Central Americans and Mexicans seeking asylum in the US. Most 9 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: had finally been allowed into the US. Some were sent 10 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: to nearby shelter before they could be processed into the country. Others, however, 11 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: were left in limbo. 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 2: You know. 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: And I'm looking inside and it's really really quiet. I'm 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: used to, you know, hearing you know, kids, families, moms, dads, 15 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: talking to each other, running around playing. It's really really 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: quiet now. At one point, this now empty area held 17 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: more than three thousand asylum seekers forced to wait in 18 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: Mexico as their cases made their way through US immigration courts. Historically, 19 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: for decades, people had always been allowed to remain in 20 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: the US while seeking asylum. It's their right under US 21 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: law and international treaty. Obligations, but the Trump administration disregarded 22 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: all of that when it established the Remain in Mexico policy, 23 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: officially known as the Migrant Protection Protocols or MPP. The 24 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: policy first rolled out in January of twenty nineteen in 25 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: southern California and slowly spread across the entire southern border. 26 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: As I walk by, the tents are here, they're empty. 27 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: They see firewood branches, I see little tables. I see shoes, 28 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: you know, that have been left behind. It's kind of 29 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: crazy that it's like now closed. I met so many 30 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: families who had been living in this camp without much 31 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: help from either the Mexican or US governments. They endured 32 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: a hurricane, a freeze, debts in the Rio grand a pandemic, 33 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: scorching one hundred degree summers, extortion and violence from criminal organizations, 34 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: and so much more. And I would always wonder, you know, 35 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: when when would it be that this migrant camp, you know, 36 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: would close? Like when would there be a day that 37 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: when I crossed into Matamoros that this tent encampment you know, 38 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't exist? And almost two years later, that day has arrived. 39 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 3: From futuro media. It's let you know, USA I'm Maria 40 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 3: Nihosa today. Immigration policies under President Joe Biden, six months 41 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 3: into his administration. What's changed and what hasn't. On the 42 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 3: campaign trail, then candidate Joe Biden made a lot of 43 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: promises related to immigration. 44 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 4: Within one hundred days, I'm going to send to the 45 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 4: United States Congress a pathway to citizenship for over eleven 46 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 4: million undocumented people and all of those so called dreamers, 47 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 4: those DOAKA kids. They're going to be immediately certified again 48 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 4: to be able to stay in this country and put 49 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 4: on a path to citizenship. All those people are seeking asylum. 50 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: They deserve to be heard. 51 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 4: That's who we are, where a nation says if you 52 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 4: want to flee and you're feeling oppression, you should come. 53 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 3: A half year has gone by since Biden took office, 54 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: and some immigrant rights advocates are saying that things are 55 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 3: happening just too slowly. In fact, critics say that some 56 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 3: of the messaging coming from this White House actually contradicts 57 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: what Biden said during his campaign, and they say at 58 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: times it sounds all too similar to former President Donald 59 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: Trump's positioning. 60 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 4: I can say quite colarly, don't come, and what we're 61 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 4: in the process of getting set up, and it's not 62 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 4: going to take a whole long time is to be 63 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 4: able to apply for asylum in place, So don't leave 64 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 4: your town, our city, or community. 65 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 2: Now is not the time to come, and the vast 66 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 2: majority of people will be turned away. 67 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 5: Asylum processes that. 68 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 6: The border will not occur immediately will take time to implement. 69 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 6: The United States will continue to enforce our laws and 70 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 6: secure our border. So let's discourage our friends, our neighbors, 71 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 6: are family members from embarking on what is otherwise an 72 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 6: extremely dangerous journey. 73 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 3: On June first of this year, President Biden delivered on 74 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 3: his promise to officially end the Remain in Mexico policy. 75 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 3: His administration has also allowed several thousand migrants with active 76 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 3: cases into the US, including those from the Matamoros camp. Still, 77 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 3: while the Remain in Mexico policy is now dead on paper, 78 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: its long term impacts have survived. Under Joe Biden. The 79 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: president has also chosen to keep in place Title forty 80 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 3: two expulsions, which is another restriction imposed by his predecessor 81 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 3: Donald Trump. Our producer Renaldo Leanos Junior is based in 82 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 3: the Rio Grande Valley of South Texas on the US 83 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 3: Mexico border, and he's going to pick up the story 84 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 3: from here. 85 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 7: And compamentomotalque lingo, but a puketu mefua compamento that's Marivell. 86 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, she and Dianna, her partner of six years, 87 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: arrived in Matamoros, Mexico. They had embarked on a more 88 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: than one thousand mile journey from their home country of Cuba, 89 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: determined to cross into the US and request asylum. They 90 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: dreamed of a life in a country where they would 91 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: not be discriminated against because of their sexual orientation, but 92 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: when they arrived in Matamoros, they were prevented from entering 93 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 1: the US, forced to initiate their US asylum application while 94 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: in Mexico and wait in Mexico under the Migrant Protection Protocols. 95 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: We're not using Marievel's or Danna's real names because they 96 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: don't want their cases to be jeopardized. At the camp 97 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: in Matamos, marievelisas she and Vienna were constant targets of homophobia, harassment, 98 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: and threats. Just days before her final court date in 99 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,679 Speaker 1: February twenty twenty, and while Danna was at a hearing 100 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: in Brownsville Marivel says she received yet another threat. She 101 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,119 Speaker 1: was so shaken she decided it was best that they 102 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: both leave the border. They would end up in Mexico City, 103 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: about a twelve hour drive from the border, and Marivel 104 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: missed her court date. The audio you've been hearing from 105 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: her is from a conversation we had in March. A 106 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: day after the Matamoros camp was dismantled, Marivel Indianna had 107 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: heard that people in MPP were starting to be let in. 108 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: In fact, Dianna received a phone call from the United 109 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: Nations High Commissioner for Refugees saying that she would soon 110 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: be processed into the country and be allowed to continue 111 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: her asylum claim in the US the way it used 112 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: to be pre Trump. Unfortunately, the story was different for Marivel. 113 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: After leaving Matamos and missing her final hearing, Marivel was 114 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: ordered removed in absentia and she no longer had an 115 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: active MPP case. Unlike Diana, she wasn't being welcomed into 116 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: the US. 117 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 8: Is sin Juto Aktivoto bea comnsar is able? 118 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: Kenji Kazuka is the Associate Director of Research and Analysis 119 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: of Refugee Protection at human rights First, he explains exactly 120 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: how this first phase of the MPP wind down is working. 121 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 9: People who are in MPP are told to register through 122 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 9: an app called Connecta and that's operated by the un 123 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 9: Refugee Agency, and once they're registered, they should receive a 124 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 9: call from UNHCR, the Refugee Agency, and have a short 125 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 9: interview to confirm their information, and eventually they're given a 126 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 9: date and time in place to appear for processing. 127 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: The next steps are getting a COVID test and giving 128 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: an address in the US, which helps to assign applicants 129 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: to the nearest immigration court. 130 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 9: And then they're escorted to the port of entry and 131 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 9: very quickly, within a matter of minutes, usually CBP is 132 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 9: able to process people, hand them their documents and send 133 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 9: them on their way. 134 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: Again, this process is only for those who have active 135 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: MPP cases like Danna. The idea of remaining in Mexico 136 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: without Diana indefinitely caused so much stress in Marivelle that 137 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: her hair began to fall out. Still, her hope remained strong. 138 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: Their patients seem to be paying off. After hearing about 139 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: the administration change and the imminent end of MPP, they 140 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: decided to return to Matamoros. They were still afraid of 141 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: the dangers of the border, but they had to go back. 142 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: When I first met Marivel and Vienna back in the 143 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: summer of twenty nineteen, they were living in a small 144 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: tent right next to other LGBTQ asylum seekers. They had 145 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: formed this tight knit community to help and look out 146 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: after one another at the camp. Deanna described to me 147 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: some of the homophobia they had experienced. 148 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 10: Nothing marimasha la aladranskra a nightclub. 149 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 7: The second. 150 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: They called them derogatory terms. A man would expose himself 151 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: when they washed clothes or bathe in the river, and 152 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: a trans woman had been harassed to dance at a nightclub. 153 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: Her name is Mayela, a migrant from El Salvador. In 154 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: October twenty nineteen, Mayela crossed the border with the help 155 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: of an attorney. Their argument was that as part of 156 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: a vulnerable population, she deserved to be allowed into the 157 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: US and taken out of m p P, which allows 158 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 1: for exclusions on a case by case basis. Hours before 159 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: she left the camp, Maribel had some partying and encouraging 160 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: words for her. No no. Mayela and Marivel said to 161 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: each other that they would reunite on the other side 162 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: of the river. Mayela's successful crossing brought hope to the 163 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: group of LGBTQ asylum seekers, especially because help was on 164 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: their way. One day later, then presidential Democratic candidate Julian 165 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: Gastro stopped by the migrant camp with the goal of 166 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: crossing them into the US. Moran migrants had made plans 167 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: about what they wanted to do once they were on 168 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: the U s side. Some made calls to family members, friends, 169 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: telling them to expect their arrival pretty soon. What Secretary 170 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: Gastro was welcomed with cheers, and after spending some time 171 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: at the camp, he crossed the Gateway International Bridge with Marivel, Diana, 172 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: and the rest of the LGBTQ asylum seekers into the US. However, 173 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: their hope was short lived. A few hours later, the 174 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: entire group of migrants were sent back to Mexico. 175 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 7: Presente tiod Minta Timoni Squero. 176 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: Extremely discouraged, Marivel felt the government just wanted to wear 177 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: them down so they could give up and leave you. Both. 178 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: Marivel and Dienna would not give up. In February of 179 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: this year, they headed back to Matamotos. Three months later, 180 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,599 Speaker 1: Diana was finally allowed into the US as part of 181 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: President Biden's m PP widen down. Marivel stayed on the 182 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: other side of the border, but not for too long. 183 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: I learned from an activist that she couldn't bear to 184 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: be miles away from Vienna and that in May she 185 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: decided she would cross the river into the US. I 186 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: tried to get in contact with her, but I was 187 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: unable to. In June, Buzzfeet News reported that there would 188 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: be a Phase two of the MTP wind down. Here's 189 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: Kenji from Human Rights First again. 190 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 9: There are still many many people waiting in Mexico who 191 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 9: are now eligible for this next phase of the MPP 192 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 9: wind down. Those cases were either closed or denied in 193 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 9: absentia or in the absence of the person out there hearing. 194 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 9: So the immigration court case needs to be reopened, and 195 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 9: so that's going to take a little bit more time 196 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 9: for the government to get those cases reopened. 197 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: In addition to the people who are covered by both 198 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: Phase one and Phase two, Kenji says more needs to 199 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: be done. 200 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 9: There were many asylum seekers who were denied protection after 201 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 9: a hearing. They had an opportunity to present their claim. 202 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 9: But from our perspective, it wasn't a fair opportunity. Many 203 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 9: people had to go ahead in their cases without an attorney. 204 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 9: They had to prepare their asylum applications and supporting materials 205 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 9: while living in a shelter or in a camp, sleeping 206 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 9: in a tent outside. These weren't fair conditions for people 207 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 9: to be able to present claims for asylum. And so 208 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 9: we hope to see another phase of the wind down 209 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 9: of MPP that would include them as well. 210 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: And then there are the long term effects of the 211 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: people who went through MPP. 212 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 9: The people who were affected by MPP are going to 213 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 9: bear those scars, the emotional scars, the physical scars for 214 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 9: a lifetime. I think there's going to be just years 215 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 9: and years of trauma for those families and individuals to 216 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 9: sort out. And of course they're not in the clear 217 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 9: legally because they still need to continue with their asylum 218 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 9: claims in the US and find some permanent protection. So 219 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 9: it's a struggle that's not over and it won't be 220 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 9: for a long time for many of these folks. 221 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: During a debate last year against President Trump, Biden criticized 222 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: the remain in Mexico policy. 223 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 4: That's never happened before in America, that's never happened before 224 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 4: in America. You come to the United States and you 225 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 4: make your case that I seek asylum based on the 226 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 4: following on the following premise, why I deserve an under 227 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 4: American law, They're shedding a squalor on the other side 228 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 4: of the river. 229 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: Six months into his administration, Biden has kept in place 230 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: a Trump era policy that essentially does the same thing 231 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: as MPP. It forces migrants to remain in Mexico without 232 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: being able to access asylum in the US. 233 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 3: Coming up on Lettino, USA, we stopped by the Mexican 234 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 3: border town of Reinosa, where another migrant camp has popped up, 235 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: this time due to a different Trump era policy that 236 00:17:15,680 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 3: the Biden administration has kept in place. Stay with us, Yes, Hey, 237 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 3: we're back. Before the break, we heard about the impact 238 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 3: of MPP on asylum seekers, as well as the wind 239 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 3: down of that policy under President Biden. Renaldo Leaneos Junior 240 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 3: is going to pick up the rest of the story 241 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 3: from Renosa, Mexico, where there's a new migrant camp. 242 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 2: My name is Victor Cavasso's I'm one of the directors 243 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 2: of the Sidewalk School. We are mainly a school for 244 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: migrant children, but we give all kinds of resources. We 245 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: take people to the doctor, we pay for medicine, We 246 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: put people up in apartments. You have food, clothing. 247 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: The sidewalk school had been migrants at the camp in Matamoros. 248 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: Now their work is mostly concentrated in Renosa, about an 249 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: hour west were another migrant camp of about a thousand 250 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: people in counting has spread it up over the last 251 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: few months. Unlike the camp in Matamoros, it isn't the 252 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: Remain in Mexico program that is keeping migrants on this 253 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: side of the border. It's a so called Title forty 254 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: two expulsions, another legacy of the Trump administration. 255 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 9: In March twenty twenty, the Trump Administration Centers for Disease 256 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 9: Control and Prevention issued in order under Title forty two 257 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 9: of the US Code, which is a public health law. 258 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 9: And under one section of that law there was a 259 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 9: provision about preventing the introduction of people or goods that 260 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 9: could spread a communical disease. And that provision had never 261 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 9: before been used as an immigration provision to expel people. 262 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: That's kenji again, and it. 263 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 9: Certainly had never been used to block refugees from seeking 264 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 9: asylum protection in the United States. So the Department of 265 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 9: Homeland Security under the Trump administration started to use that 266 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 9: order to effectively eliminate asylum protections at the border, and 267 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 9: they began to expel people summarily without any legal process, 268 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 9: just taking essentially their photo and fingerprints and then pushing 269 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 9: them back across the border immediately. 270 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: Kenji has closely followed the implementation of Title forty two. 271 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 9: From the beginning. Public health experts and even the CDC's 272 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 9: own internal experts have said that there was no real 273 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 9: public health justification for the policy. 274 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: Last November, a court ordered that unaccompanied children not be expelled, 275 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: but the Trump administration continued to do so. This February, 276 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: the Biden administration said it would not expel unaccompanied children. However, 277 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: families with children and single adults continue to be expelled. 278 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 9: For the most part, it seems to depend on the 279 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 9: nationality of the family, but it could also be the 280 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 9: time or the day or the place that the family 281 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 9: arrived and tries to cross the border. It maybe depends 282 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 9: on how much capacity the border patrol has that day, 283 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 9: or just what mood they're in. It's really not clear 284 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 9: what rules or policies are being applied to decide who 285 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 9: gets expelled to Mexico and who is allowed to stay. 286 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: These expulsions mean migrants continue to be pushed back to 287 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: Mexico where they are at risk of violence. 288 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 9: Since January twenty twenty one, when the Biden administration took office, 289 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 9: we've been able to track over thirty two hundred incidents 290 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 9: of violent attacks on migrants and asylum seekers. 291 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: One place that has been pretty dangerous for migrants is Renosa. 292 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: That's where I met up with Victor, who you heard 293 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: from earlier. 294 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: It's necessary, and I just I don't have a choice. 295 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 2: That's it. I just don't have a choice. I know 296 00:21:54,560 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 2: if I don't do it, it's not going to get And. 297 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: It's mid June and I'm driving with Victor to a 298 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: plaza where many migrants are living. It's about a block 299 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: away from the McAllen I Renosa International Bridge that connects 300 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: this city to the US. 301 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 2: Right now, we're going to pick up a man from 302 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 2: the plasa here in Renosa who has COVID and his son. 303 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: Victor's going to move a Honduran father who has COVID 304 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: and his son out of the camp to help limit 305 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: the spread of the virus there. He wants to relocate 306 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,479 Speaker 1: them to nearby shelter named Senda de Vida, where they 307 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: have a special quarantine unit for migrants with COVID. It's 308 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: part of what he does identify vulnerable migrants and relocate 309 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 1: them to that shelter where they'll be safer than living 310 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: in the plaza. 311 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 2: We also work with a group of lawyers who look 312 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 2: for special cases, so here in Renosa we screen refugees 313 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 2: for those special cares. We look for people who have 314 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: serious medical conditions, if they're handicapped, pregnant women, families with 315 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 2: tender age children, and people of persecuted groups like LGBTQ, 316 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 2: or if they belong like if they're fleeing because they 317 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: belong to a certain political party. 318 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: Attorneys who take a vulnerable migrants case try to get 319 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: them some sort of humanitarian parole to be admitted and 320 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: processed into the country where they'll be able to seek 321 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: asylum or another form of protection. When we get to 322 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: the plaza, the father and son are ready to be 323 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: picked up, Victor gives them their masks, rolls the car 324 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 1: windows down, and then takes off. He calls someone from 325 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: the shelter to let them know that we're on our way. 326 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: Ola I think Monseignor is in in Covid. 327 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 3: Uh see Victoria. 328 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: Okay, that's that Jenna. They say they don't have space. 329 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: Victor needs a new plan. He's going to take them 330 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: to a nearby apartment where they will have to shelter 331 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: in place. Nonprofit immigrant friendly organizations pay for this and 332 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: other apartments when the shelter is not an option. He 333 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: says his job sometimes gets hard because he's not able 334 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: to help everyone. 335 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 2: We tell people, Okay, yeah we can't right now, you'll 336 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 2: need to wait for a little bit. But we're working 337 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 2: on it, and people understand. And it's hard to say no. 338 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 2: But it's never just no, it's it's no, but but 339 00:24:59,480 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 2: there's hope. 340 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: After driving around with Victor, I end up spending some 341 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: time at the migrant camp. It's around midday and the 342 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: temperature is near one hundred degrees. I meet a group 343 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,719 Speaker 1: of people, mostly from Honduras, who have been living at 344 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: the camp for more than two months. That's twenty one 345 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: year old Dennis. He says he fled on Duras because 346 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: of gang related violence and threats. Dennis says back home, 347 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: he was in the military and he and a few 348 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: others here have taken it upon themselves to help protect 349 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: the migrants at the camp. As a result, he says 350 00:25:44,040 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: they've been threatened by members of the Golf cartel. He amatara. 351 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: They've even interfered a few times when members of the 352 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: cartel have threatened or try to take migrants from their 353 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: tents at night. Mario Ahonduran, who is the unofficial leader 354 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 1: of this group, says people he suspects that are affiliated 355 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: with the cartel have come into the camp and recorded 356 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: video and taken photos of them. I believe him. While 357 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: walking around the camp, a man took out his phone, 358 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: followed me around and pointed his phone at me as 359 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: if he was recording or taking photos. Wendy, a migrant 360 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: from El Salvador, is also living at the camp with 361 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: her eleven year old son. She says she came here 362 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: because gangs were trying to recruit her son. She recently 363 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: tried to cross the border pro Jonas. 364 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 10: Document on the Quako. 365 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: Wendy and her son were quickly returned, but she plans 366 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: to wait here until the border reopens. While Inrinosa, I 367 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: also stopped by Cinda de Vida. The nearby shelter were 368 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: migrants like Wendy, Dennis and Mario would rather spend their 369 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: nights at than at the plaza. It's only about a 370 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,719 Speaker 1: mile away from the camp. So right now, what's happening 371 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: is that they have brought about ten people from the plaza, 372 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: you know, to get COVID tested because they are going 373 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: to be moving into the shelter here. But the people 374 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: that are here that were brought from the plaza, they 375 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: are people who are considered, you know, from vulnerable populations. 376 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: I say, a woman who is pregnant. There's also another 377 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: woman who has a very young, very young child. I 378 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't mean anywhere between I would say maybe two to 379 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: three months old. And there's also someone else who doesn't 380 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: look very well right now. So yeah, they're about to 381 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: get tested. These are migrants that Victor has identified as 382 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: vulnerable and has brought here. A nonprofit named Global Response 383 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: Management that provides medical care to migrants at this shelter 384 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: is doing COVID testing today. Brendan Tucker, is there no 385 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: SAP project coordinator? 386 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 11: I mean, yeah, what you got is people trying to 387 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 11: get out of the plaza getting to here, and they're 388 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 11: working as fast they can to double the size of it. 389 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 11: But you know, how long until this isn't enough space 390 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 11: and then there's nowhere else to double the space, you know, 391 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 11: if I don't see the plaza going anywhere anytime soon. 392 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: He also worked out of the migrant camp in Mata 393 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: Moros with GRM. 394 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 11: I mean when we were we showed up last month 395 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 11: to check it out to see what it would look like, 396 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 11: and there was maybe one hundred people in the gazebo 397 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 11: in the plaza, and that looked a little bit like 398 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 11: twenty eighteen in the summer when people first started arriving, 399 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 11: and then you know, a few weeks later it looked 400 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 11: like Matamoros did in twenty nineteen with everybody in the plaza. 401 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: Brendan says they also test migrants who are about to 402 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: leave the shell and be allowed into the US with 403 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: the help of an attorney. I asked Kenji about this process. 404 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 9: Those sort of spaces for these exemptions for humanitarian reasons 405 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 9: are available to a very small number of people each 406 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 9: day because CBP limits how many people they're willing to 407 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 9: process at the ports of entry, and that's not sufficient. 408 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: He also says it's not a public system, so not 409 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: every individual can sign up. 410 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 9: So asylum seekers who maybe don't speak Spanish, or who 411 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 9: aren't well connected to the network of NGOs or are 412 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 9: staying in a shelter, will not have any knowledge of 413 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 9: how to access this exception process. 414 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: Several news outlets have reported that the Biden administration plans 415 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: to wind down Title forty two expulsions. The goal is 416 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: reportedly to begin to allow families into the US by 417 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: the end of July, and then individual adults by the 418 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: end of the summer. 419 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 9: I hope that moving forward, things will will go a 420 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 9: bit quicker, because we're not just talking about, you know, 421 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 9: pieces of paper policies that need to be addressed. We're 422 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 9: talking about human beings who were waiting in danger were 423 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 9: being returned to danger actively by the same government. 424 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: The day after I visited Renosa, there was a massacre 425 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: of at least fourteen people in the city. Local officials 426 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: attribute it to the Gulf Cartel, the same Dennis and 427 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: Mario they have threatened them for protecting their fellow migrants. 428 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: Since June twenty third, the Biden administration has processed more 429 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: than twelve five hundred people into the country under the 430 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: MPP wind down. A DHS spokesperson told Latino USA that 431 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: at this time, the agency will continue to enforce the 432 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: CDC's Title forty two Public Health authority. As for Marivelle, 433 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: she made it to this side of the river safely, 434 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: but while both she and Deanna are now in the 435 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: United States, their faiths their future in this country are 436 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: still up in the air. 437 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 3: Since taking office, President Joe Biden has formed a task 438 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 3: force to reunite families that were separated under the Trump 439 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 3: administration's zero tolerance policy. Biden has also extended temporary protected 440 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 3: status to people from Yemen and from Haiti, and has 441 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 3: opened it up for Venezuelans. The Biden administration is also 442 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 3: pushing a plan to extend citizenship to more than eleven 443 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 3: million undocumented immigrants, though this would not be any time soon. Meanwhile, 444 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 3: immigrant rights activists continued to call on Biden to end 445 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 3: Title forty two for everyone and to end for profit 446 00:31:46,920 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 3: immigrant detention. This episode was produced by Rinaldo Leanos Junior 447 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 3: and edited by Andrea Lopez Crusado. It was mixed by 448 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 3: Julia Caruso. 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