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Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur, the Packer's head coach who joins us on
Speaker 2: the program, is seventh season there, come on in, coach.
Speaker 2: The Packers went eleven and six the number two seed Eagles.
Speaker 2: They lost to them. Hi, Bud, good to see you.
Speaker 2: So sit down. We got a home field advantage here.
Speaker 3: I know, nine o'clock in the morning, drinking some beer.
Speaker 2: They only in Green Bay. They started showing up at
Speaker 2: three point thirty in.
Speaker 3: The morning for tomorrow night's draft. Yeah, a deal, I know.
Speaker 2: So when it comes to draft week, are you any
Speaker 2: different than you are in other weeks preparing for the draft?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you're juggling.
Speaker 4: We have our first phase of the off season programs,
Speaker 4: so right now we're doing it virtually because of just
Speaker 4: all the people that are congregating to Green Bay, and
Speaker 4: so you're just kind of juggling that schedule and doing
Speaker 4: the last second setting.
Speaker 3: Of the board.
Speaker 2: But in dealing with the media, in what you say
Speaker 2: and how you say, because you don't want to tip
Speaker 2: your hand, are you like how good are you at lying?
Speaker 2: Just depends who you're asking, So like, let me say
Speaker 2: who are you drafting?
Speaker 4: Well, that's a great question, you know. That's what I
Speaker 4: usually say, who are we drafted? I'm sure you've done
Speaker 4: a mock so no, no, no, I'm the only somebody here.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, we do not. We are mock free.
Speaker 2: We are mockless.
Speaker 4: But some that I watch and I look at and
Speaker 4: I'm like, I hope not. And then there's others that
Speaker 4: I get really excited about.
Speaker 2: So, but you have to it's almost like you're preparing
Speaker 2: somebody for a deposition. You're just like, okay, let's create
Speaker 2: a mock draft. Now how do we react to that?
Speaker 2: So you would go through scenarios, probably in real time,
Speaker 2: where somebody goes all right, cam Ward's off the board,
Speaker 2: Travis off the board, Ashton genty off the board. So
Speaker 2: then you get to where you got are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know that's something that our scouting department does
Speaker 4: more than what we do as a staff.
Speaker 2: Oh So you wouldn't get together in a room and go, okay,
Speaker 2: if this happens, then we do this.
Speaker 4: No, but our scouting department does all that. Okay, So
Speaker 4: we focus more our time. Like I said, it's it's
Speaker 4: phase one of our off season programs. So the majority
Speaker 4: of our time this week is dedicated to our players.
Speaker 2: I was talking to Mel Kuyper about this, and he said,
Speaker 2: why do coaches and gms put more faith or credence
Speaker 2: in things that happen after a season is over? So
Speaker 2: they haven't These guys haven't played any games, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe the Senior Bowl. And Mel said, you know, you're
Speaker 2: trying to get guys playing against guys who will play
Speaker 2: in the NFL, because there are guys who are playing
Speaker 2: against guys who won't be in the NFL and trying
Speaker 2: to understand just how good somebody is. So how difficult
Speaker 2: is that to go asking Genty? I see him and man,
Speaker 2: he's dominating, But is he dominating against guys who will
Speaker 2: play in the NFL? Or Shadoor Sanders playing against somebody
Speaker 2: or a wide receiver?
Speaker 3: So how do you.
Speaker 2: Then kind of read between the lines of that guy
Speaker 2: is legitimate?
Speaker 4: Well, I think you always are looking for certain traits
Speaker 4: at every position, and obviously there's a lot of testing,
Speaker 4: and the guys are doing less and less of that,
Speaker 4: but you're just looking for traits. I do think it
Speaker 4: becomes more of a challenge when you're maybe at some
Speaker 4: of the lower levels when guys just absolutely dominate the competition.
Speaker 4: It's easier when you're looking at some guys that are
Speaker 4: coming from some of these SEC programs where there's just
Speaker 4: more NFL talent on the field.
Speaker 3: What are red flags to you?
Speaker 4: Well, it just depends. There's character issues that come up,
Speaker 4: because I think if you get good people and that
Speaker 4: love the game of football, and that's always the thing
Speaker 4: that you're trying to find out throughout the draft process.
Speaker 4: But if you get guys that love the game of
Speaker 4: football and have high character, I feel like they have
Speaker 4: a chance of reading their reaching their ceilings.
Speaker 3: So that is something that we're always looking for.
Speaker 2: Okay, but what could you ask me that is going
Speaker 2: to reveal.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean there's there's a lot of background that
Speaker 4: goes into these guys and that that's where you rely
Speaker 4: so heavily on the scouting department. And certainly there's relationships
Speaker 4: that you have with people at schools, whether it's other
Speaker 4: coaches or whoever, and you're always trying to get people
Speaker 4: to give you the truth.
Speaker 2: We're talking to Matt Luflor, the Packer's head coach. How
Speaker 2: often have you gone out for a game and you
Speaker 2: know it's going to be.
Speaker 3: Cold, and it's almost every week.
Speaker 2: But but but you have to put on a good front.
Speaker 2: You have to be tough, you know, right, you can't
Speaker 2: be like all bundled up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right. So what I've learned is it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: It's all about layering. So I might have like seven
Speaker 4: layers have clothed on. Now they might be very thin.
Speaker 4: But I like to wear a vest usually out on
Speaker 4: the field. But if I'm in a coat, full coat,
Speaker 4: you know it's cold.
Speaker 2: Okay, but you have good hair. How important is it
Speaker 2: to make sure that the hair is not covered up?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it just depends. I try not to
Speaker 4: wear a hat, but sometimes I do.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: If they make hats that I like, then I'm more
Speaker 4: apt to wear them. Sometimes they don't always make the
Speaker 4: hats I like.
Speaker 3: Okay, but you got good hair. I appreciate that. Then
Speaker 3: you know what, you've got great hairs?
Speaker 2: Who I have great And I have gray hair too.
Speaker 3: It's great and mine's coming in. It's starting to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah. How long did it take you to get over
Speaker 2: the loss to the Eagles?
Speaker 3: I mean you got to flip the script pretty quickly.
Speaker 4: Obviously, it's it's disappointing, but I think that when you
Speaker 4: look at them, I think they were the best team
Speaker 4: probably in the NFL, and they proved it.
Speaker 2: You know, we start, we do get caught up on
Speaker 2: quarterbacks and wide receivers and all of that, and really
Speaker 2: it's offensive and defense of lines that's a.
Speaker 3: Big, big player.
Speaker 4: I mean, you look at they were dominant up front
Speaker 4: on both sides of the ball. Certainly we had a
Speaker 4: hard time blocking them and also conversely getting pressure on
Speaker 4: the quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: So they are built the right way.
Speaker 2: The brotherly shove that the Packers came out Kins, would
Speaker 2: you have liked that to have remained anonymous that there's
Speaker 2: a team, that.
Speaker 4: It is what it is. We might have had some
Speaker 4: nudging towards that, but I'm not really going to get
Speaker 4: into that.
Speaker 2: Did the commissioner say we need somebody to speak up?
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 2: Because I don't think the commissioner wants this. No can
Speaker 2: I can I say what I think happened. Sure, Okay,
Speaker 2: I think the commissioner nudged you guys to say, look,
Speaker 2: if you have a grievance, put your name to it.
Speaker 2: I'll owe you one. And because I don't think he
Speaker 2: wants that play to stay in the game.
Speaker 3: Well, it's not a great football play.
Speaker 4: And then certainly when you look at what happened in
Speaker 4: the Washington Commander game where Frankie Louver was launching over.
Speaker 3: The top, which I mean it's a tough play to stop.
Speaker 4: We've actually had more success and we had some studies
Speaker 4: ran We've had more success with a traditional quarterback sneak
Speaker 4: than we have with you know, whatever you want to
Speaker 4: call it, brotherly show.
Speaker 2: I think Philadelphia is still going to be dominating with
Speaker 2: the quarterback sneak. I agree because of that line in
Speaker 2: that quarterback.
Speaker 4: I mean they do a great job and I mean
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts can squat the house.
Speaker 3: They do a good job of just you know, winn
Speaker 3: in the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4: It all starts right there and they get really low
Speaker 4: and they've they've perfected it.
Speaker 2: Take me back to the Jordan Love Draft. How many
Speaker 2: different players did you have penciled in for that draft?
Speaker 3: Pick?
Speaker 4: What picked were we? I can't remember what pick? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'd say twenty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how many How many players did you have on
Speaker 2: the board that you were thinking of if the draft
Speaker 2: played out?
Speaker 3: How you thought of it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was certainly a couple and I think, you know,
Speaker 4: it's a credit to Goody and his staff just having
Speaker 4: that vision of if you don't have a quarterback in
Speaker 4: today's game, you're you're screwed, So let's just throw it
Speaker 4: out there. It's just tough. So you need to have
Speaker 4: that position solidified. And we're lucky we got him because
Speaker 4: I think he's a He's not only a great player,
Speaker 4: but I think he's an even better person. And I
Speaker 4: just love the energy comes in with each and every
Speaker 4: day and he works his tail off and he's continuing
Speaker 4: to develop as a leader.
Speaker 2: It's like taking a test, but you don't get your
Speaker 2: grade till three years later because you draft him and
Speaker 2: then you sit him and everybody is like, you know,
Speaker 2: you wasted a two years with Rogers, or you don't
Speaker 2: take a wide receive? Were you taking a wide receiver?
Speaker 4: Yeah, potentially if the right guy was there, But who
Speaker 4: who would that have been?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean there was some good ones, so I
Speaker 3: know I went.
Speaker 4: You went one before, Yeah, I believe, so I think
Speaker 4: San Francisco traded up.
Speaker 2: Would you have taken Ayuk if he was there?
Speaker 3: I think potentially.
Speaker 4: I mean I don't want to speak for everybody in
Speaker 4: our organization, but I think that certainly would have been
Speaker 4: in the discussion.
Speaker 3: I think Jefferson.
Speaker 4: Went, yeah, Chase, we knew he was going to be gone,
Speaker 4: so but yeah, Jefferson was right there in the wheelhouse.
Speaker 4: So I mean, there's always you better have a few
Speaker 4: players that are kind of there for you. And I
Speaker 4: think the controversy of that whole deal was that we
Speaker 4: traded up to go get Jordans. If we would have
Speaker 4: stayed there picked him, I don't I think it would
Speaker 4: have been less. Obviously, it still would have been a
Speaker 4: big story. But I think the fact that we went
Speaker 4: up to go get him, But I do think obviously
Speaker 4: it was the right decision.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I understand that, and I thought you guys.
Speaker 4: Were I love Yeah, I need I need that support
Speaker 4: from my Packer fans.
Speaker 3: I think you're good. I think you're good on that.
Speaker 2: But you you have to place that call to Aaron.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how was that interesting? I think he was shocked.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll play you call me okay, Yeah, oh hey, hey, coach,
Speaker 2: what what what happened?
Speaker 3: I don't think that that was like what the bleep?
Speaker 3: I think there was more of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, so, so what the bleep just happened? I
Speaker 4: will say, I mean, whether that was why or whatnot.
Speaker 4: But he did go out and had two pretty damn
Speaker 4: good years back and back.
Speaker 2: Yeah you pissed him off? Yeah yeah. What memories do
Speaker 2: you have playing for the Omaha Beef? Oh, the Omaha Beef.
Speaker 4: Probably the rump Roasters, which were these three hundred pound men,
Speaker 4: three hundred plus pound men that would go out there
Speaker 4: at halftime and perform for the crowd.
Speaker 3: That's what you remember. No, not really, but I just
Speaker 3: thought it was a good story. What kind of quarterback
Speaker 3: were you for the omahak Beef? Probably not a very
Speaker 3: good one.
Speaker 4: No, I just I was kind of a run around
Speaker 4: guy and can make some plays with my legs.
Speaker 2: Do your players ever bring up your career?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: Do you ever?
Speaker 4: I'm sure they do behind my back, and it probably
Speaker 4: make fun of me a little bit.
Speaker 3: But do you have your Omaha Beef jersey? I do not.
Speaker 2: Damn I'd love to have that. I'd love to hang
Speaker 2: that in the man cave. Yeah, that never found your
Speaker 2: Omaha Beef.
Speaker 4: I don't think they. I mean, I think the budget
Speaker 4: was a little bit different. They probably were used it
Speaker 4: for the next five years.
Speaker 2: So sometimes we get caught up in oh, you never
Speaker 2: played the game, but you played the game. You didn't play,
Speaker 2: you know at the NFL level. Sure, how much does
Speaker 2: that impact you? Do you think when you're especially when
Speaker 2: you're called plays and trying to put yourself in the
Speaker 2: position of Jordan or Aaron Well.
Speaker 4: I think having the quarterback background certainly helps. I think
Speaker 4: it allows you to kind of see the game and
Speaker 4: feel the game through the lens of the quarterback, which
Speaker 4: is I think most play callers are trying to do.
Speaker 4: And how do you set that guy up for success
Speaker 4: and ultimately scores as many points as you can. But
Speaker 4: you know, I don't think it necessarily matters. You've seen
Speaker 4: great coaches that have never played football that go on
Speaker 4: and have great careers, and you know, but I was
Speaker 4: fortunate for my time. I started out of Western Michigan
Speaker 4: as a as a walk on and as a receiver,
Speaker 4: and then when I transferred to sag in the Valley,
Speaker 4: I didn't really know if I was going to play
Speaker 4: quarterback or receiver, and it just it worked out that way,
Speaker 4: and I started for three years and we had a
Speaker 4: lot of fun.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Dan, I got a couple of updates about coach
Speaker 5: Lafora's time with Omaha Beef on befootball dot com as
Speaker 5: always before you got.
Speaker 3: Are they still rolling right now? Oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 5: You went into the Hall of Fame in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 5: the Beef Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wait a minute.
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 2: Around of a blog.
Speaker 4: Probably my proudest accomplishment. And Dan also, if.
Speaker 5: You go to their website you can get custom jerseys,
Speaker 5: so you could have one made for yourself.
Speaker 4: You know what, maybe my wife can do that for
Speaker 4: me for my birthday or something Christmas.
Speaker 2: That'd be nice, nice little beef gift there. It's great
Speaker 2: to see you, Thank you for joining us, and good
Speaker 2: luck with the draft.
Speaker 3: Who are you taking it? Again? That's a great question.
Speaker 4: A lot of unknowns in this draft, guys, a lot
Speaker 4: of unknowns.
Speaker 3: So wait there they are right there. It's who are taken?
Speaker 2: I you guys, tell me I don't know you, I
Speaker 2: don't know. Pick twenty three. You don't normally take a receiver.
Speaker 2: Now you're going to take a wide receiver.
Speaker 4: What do the fans want? I'm sure, I'm sure they
Speaker 4: want some wide receivers. Yeah, yeah, I get it. So
Speaker 4: I go to my kids back basketball events and certainly
Speaker 4: somebody will just slip me a piece of paper with
Speaker 4: their pick for us.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, and then you could go, oh, I
Speaker 2: never thought about that. Thanks, I never would have known that. Man,
Speaker 2: maybe you get a wide receiver.
Speaker 3: We'll see. Okay, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: He is Matt Lafleur, the Packer's head coach. Thanks an
Speaker 2: thank you coach.
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Speaker 2: He's Doug Gottlieb, the University of Wisconsin Bay head coach,
Speaker 2: hosted The Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio as
Speaker 2: well as We make way for the head coach of.
Speaker 3: The Phoenix.
Speaker 2: Product placement. You got everything that says Wisconsin Green Bay.
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, that's the job.
Speaker 3: Don't need a wardrobe, you got it?
Speaker 7: I actually don't. That's the weirdest thing.
Speaker 8: It's like, you know, money wise, everybody says how further
Speaker 8: the dollar goes in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 7: Then you throw in that you don't actually ever have
Speaker 7: to buy clothes.
Speaker 8: You just wear a DSGB gear and you're saving money
Speaker 8: on a daily basis.
Speaker 2: If I said two years ago you'd be sitting here
Speaker 2: and we would be talking about your first year as
Speaker 2: a head basketball coach, you would have said what.
Speaker 7: I would have believed that.
Speaker 8: I'm not sure I would have believed Green Bay or
Speaker 8: how everything transpired, but yeah, I mean I felt more
Speaker 8: and more prepared to take this on with every passing
Speaker 8: because I invested more and more into not just the
Speaker 8: craft of broadcasting. And you know this from It's no
Speaker 8: different than a radio show or a TV show or
Speaker 8: when you're calling games and you've done it.
Speaker 7: There are people that do it and there are.
Speaker 8: People that live it, right, And I felt like I
Speaker 8: was a guy that really lived it and really kind
Speaker 8: of invested in, Okay, what's this process actually like? How
Speaker 8: do you put together as scouting? Import how you and
Speaker 8: all the things that I had thought I had known
Speaker 8: as a player and studied some as a broadcaster. I'd
Speaker 8: gone to a deeper dive of because I just had
Speaker 8: that burning desire every time a game would be done.
Speaker 8: Every time you just left with this hollow feeling. There's
Speaker 8: no win, there's no loss when you're broadcasting games. So
Speaker 8: as much as there was a lot of pain this year,
Speaker 8: there's still you're alive if you're feeling that pain and
Speaker 8: you feel very much alive when you're coaching.
Speaker 2: What did you not expect that happened?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 8: How long's the show? Honestly, the hardest part is at
Speaker 8: the start I learned it and at the end I
Speaker 8: learned it. I'm not great at saying no to people
Speaker 8: I care about, and between when you're hiring people and
Speaker 8: it's not going to work and you have to not
Speaker 8: hire somebody, or not offer a scholarship to a player
Speaker 8: that a dear friend has sworn by, or then at
Speaker 8: the end when despite the fact that the kid is
Speaker 8: a great kid, you got a part company because we
Speaker 8: just have to get better. We still are in the
Speaker 8: We want to form great men. We want them all
Speaker 8: to graduate from gb We want to be productive members
Speaker 8: of society.
Speaker 7: We wanted to have jobs here. We got win some games,
Speaker 7: and so.
Speaker 8: You know, sometimes those guys shake your hand and walk
Speaker 8: out the door and put themselves in the transfer portal,
Speaker 8: and you're legitimately sad you're going to miss them because
Speaker 8: they're good human beings.
Speaker 7: They filled up your life with good energy.
Speaker 2: You win four games, and I'm curious of you and
Speaker 2: your radio show, your reputation, how much that impacted, how
Speaker 2: much criticism you received by just winning four games?
Speaker 8: Oh, I think it was ten to twentyfold what anybody
Speaker 8: else at our level ever got. We say this around
Speaker 8: the office, and I say, in recruiting, there's pretty much
Speaker 8: eleven college basketball teams that people care about. There's the
Speaker 8: ten best, and then there's us. Right, there's the ten best,
Speaker 8: and it's it was wild.
Speaker 2: I mean we had But do you think that it
Speaker 2: felt like ESPN was going out of its ways?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And others and others.
Speaker 8: Yes, but yes, I mean it it was crazy, like yes,
Speaker 8: like FanDuel was tweeting a wrect like I have no
Speaker 8: relationship with FanDuel. I've never said anything critical of FanDuel.
Speaker 8: You know, the companies that we work for work with
Speaker 8: other companies other than FanDuel, But they were constantly posting
Speaker 8: like our record on their social.
Speaker 7: Media page, like what is the deal with ESPN.
Speaker 8: I mean, I guess it's it's people defending Adam Schefter
Speaker 8: for a tweet which was categorically false.
Speaker 7: You know, so yeah, it did.
Speaker 8: It felt personally the tweet, Well, Shafty had tweeted that
Speaker 8: sach State had fifty million dollars in nil uh and
Speaker 8: they were going after Mike Vick as their head coach.
Speaker 7: And it's just laughable. It's just laughable.
Speaker 8: And again my point, and I quote tweeted back replied
Speaker 8: to him, and it was like a nothing, you know,
Speaker 8: It's like it's one of those things where you tube bad,
Speaker 8: like come on shifty, like you know, it's like one
Speaker 8: of those check your sources. But I should have just
Speaker 8: texted him or DMed him.
Speaker 3: Can you not help yourself in situations like this?
Speaker 7: I'm way better than I used to be.
Speaker 8: Well, way have you ever seen you ever seen the
Speaker 8: evolution of man poster? He has no the evolution of
Speaker 8: man poster? Right where you go from like hunched over
Speaker 8: to where we are now, I'm somewhere in the middle, Dan.
Speaker 2: But you can't help yourself.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 8: When I was at when I left ESPN, that was bad,
Speaker 8: you know, Like I just you know, that feeling because
Speaker 8: you've done it, you did it before me where you
Speaker 8: leave and you fear irrelevance, right because when you're there,
Speaker 8: you're trained that this is the only.
Speaker 7: Thing that's relevant. This is the only thing I'm in
Speaker 7: sports that matters.
Speaker 8: Right, So I would say, yeah, I was totally addicted
Speaker 8: to social media when I left ESPN went to CBS
Speaker 8: and it definitely ran me a foul there because their
Speaker 8: perception of how real social media is, how much it matters,
Speaker 8: I think skews in a direction which is not accurate.
Speaker 8: I think they think that's like the end all be all.
Speaker 8: They think the Richard Deitsch's of the world matter, and
Speaker 8: they don't. Right, So I'm better now. But again, sometimes
Speaker 8: it's just like he didn't need that one, right, didn't
Speaker 8: need that one. But the point was that like Sacramento
Speaker 8: State having fifty million dollars in an ell and never, Hey,
Speaker 8: my bad, somebody told me something that is And I'm
Speaker 8: the bad guy for pointing out that everyone in sports
Speaker 8: that follows Adam Schefter knows that he just cut and
Speaker 8: pasted a text from somebody connected to the university that's
Speaker 8: not accurate.
Speaker 7: And it again, this is where you get do you.
Speaker 2: Think any publicity is good publicity.
Speaker 8: Yeah, unless it's like your personal life, your sex life,
Speaker 8: or some of the stuff that's going on with other people.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about your sex life.
Speaker 7: Let's not.
Speaker 2: Doug Gottlid the University of Wisconsin Green Bay head coach.
Speaker 3: But if you look.
Speaker 7: So, I'm thinking of your word last night and so
Speaker 7: now it's in my head.
Speaker 3: I'm struggling.
Speaker 8: Don't do that to me, Dad, But you get has
Speaker 8: a secret word, esay the secret word, and he planted
Speaker 8: it and everybody and do you guys know what.
Speaker 3: An earworm is?
Speaker 7: The earworm of a song, like I have an earworm
Speaker 7: of that word, and like, just do not say that.
Speaker 7: Do not say that.
Speaker 2: You want to keep your jaz Okay, so you keep
Speaker 2: you know you're going after Lebron or Lebron.
Speaker 3: I didn't go after Lebron. Okay, I never went after.
Speaker 2: You said Lebron's son wouldn't play for years you had guards.
Speaker 3: I did not hold on. I didn't say he could
Speaker 3: not play no team.
Speaker 8: I didn't think he would start, okay, And yeah, in hindsight,
Speaker 8: Yay probably would have started, not over Anthony Roy, Like, hey,
Speaker 8: just see, you know Lebron. Anthony Roy averaged thirty a game.
Speaker 8: He's leading the country and in effect a field goal percentage.
Speaker 8: He's a walking bucket. He's an amazing, amazing young player. Okay,
Speaker 8: so that's my comp My comp was, I don't I
Speaker 8: never thought that he's a point guard, okay, and you
Speaker 8: know that the he's not better than Anthony Roy.
Speaker 7: And it was Jeremiah Johnson, who was a top one hundred.
Speaker 8: And fifty kid who's the same age as Bronni and
Speaker 8: like you're defending your guys as part of it. But yeah,
Speaker 8: like I thought he would have to compete to start
Speaker 8: at Green Bay. In hindsight, whuld he started?
Speaker 3: Probably?
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's a good player, Like at the mid major
Speaker 8: level is where he should have gone. I stand by
Speaker 8: that he should have gone to Dukuane for a year
Speaker 8: and play for Lebron's like best friend, gotten his confidence
Speaker 8: and then if you want to start. This has been
Speaker 8: such a dog and pony show, and Lebron's gone around
Speaker 8: the country, you know, chastising Stephen A.
Speaker 7: Smith and tweeting me for.
Speaker 8: No reason because all I've ever done is been honest, Like, sorry,
Speaker 8: I saw your son play in the Mission League. He
Speaker 8: was not one of the ten best high school players
Speaker 8: in that league. He was the best high school league
Speaker 8: in the country. But he wasn't. I didn't say he stinks.
Speaker 8: I didn't say he can't play. I never said he
Speaker 8: can't play at Green Bay. Just the evaluation was completely false.
Speaker 8: He wasn't a No one was fighting over him to
Speaker 8: be a second round pick. JJ Reddick saying he earned
Speaker 8: all of this, Like what are we even talking about?
Speaker 8: So again, if he develops into an NBA player, great,
Speaker 8: if this path makes him into something that we didn't
Speaker 8: see coming, awesome, But like, don't bs us and then
Speaker 8: chastise us for giving honest basketball opinion, right, I don't
Speaker 8: think I made it personal. And then he quote to
Speaker 8: me and here's the here's the.
Speaker 7: Crazy part about it.
Speaker 3: Here's great.
Speaker 7: Did you know I signed Lebron? Did you guys know that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Last night sign we signed Lebron Thomas, who's first team
Speaker 8: Junior College All American. Right, super talented kid. But you'll
Speaker 8: love the story. So, in the process of recruiting Lebron,
Speaker 8: he's at Vincennes Junior College and his parents are in
Speaker 8: South Carolina. So the day before the dead period where
Speaker 8: you can't go out and see people. During the Final four,
Speaker 8: I flew down to South Carolina because, like, if you're
Speaker 8: going to send your baby to green Bay, Wisconsin to
Speaker 8: play for me for two years, like you're gonna want
Speaker 8: to face to face and meet the guy, right. So
Speaker 8: I go down and I meet his parents and they're lovely,
Speaker 8: and we're walking out from a restaurant in Columbia and
Speaker 8: his dad grabs me and he's like, hey, coach, g
Speaker 8: one more thing.
Speaker 7: What's the deal with Lebron tweeted at you.
Speaker 8: I'm like, oh, is this gonna be a problem. He's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 8: I think it's great. We'll have Lebron play for you
Speaker 8: and Lebron tweeting at you. So the point is in
Speaker 8: the any publicity is good publicity. We use it in
Speaker 8: recruiting where we're like, hey, if there's one hundred people
Speaker 8: who are now tweeting and caring about green Bay basketball
Speaker 8: who never did before and really don't now they just
Speaker 8: want to tweak us when we're down. If seventy five
Speaker 8: percent of them eat their words next year, that's seventy
Speaker 8: five more people than ever cared about green Bay basketball.
Speaker 8: And my players come to my defense because they know
Speaker 8: we're doing the best we possibly can buy them and
Speaker 8: we just fell short too often.
Speaker 3: Do you want to set the over under, PAULI?
Speaker 2: For Wisconsin Green Bay wins next year?
Speaker 3: Let's go they had four.
Speaker 9: I'm going I'm going twelve and a half.
Speaker 3: Twelve and a half.
Speaker 9: That's aggressive.
Speaker 2: Twelve and a hookah.
Speaker 3: How about you? Seaton? I taking the over or under
Speaker 3: on that? You're going over under?
Speaker 2: I'm a believer.
Speaker 3: I'm going with the over. Dug Okay, I got you.
Speaker 2: Dug probably like thirteen yeah, yeah, like a big believer,
Speaker 2: but like thirteenth, that's a massive improvement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tom, what about you? Yeah? I could see fourteen
Speaker 3: fourteen wins? Marvin also, yeh, twenty plus anybody I know?
Speaker 7: Dan's going.
Speaker 2: No, he did say that he would double his wind
Speaker 2: total though, Yeah, yeah, you did guarantee that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're going games next year. Yeah, We're going We're
Speaker 7: going games.
Speaker 3: How many games do you think?
Speaker 2: I don't what's the successful Just give me a successful number?
Speaker 7: I I never said that before, So why would I
Speaker 7: said now? Because I'm asking successful season for us is.
Speaker 8: We want to have a bye in the Horizon League tournament.
Speaker 8: We want to have a bye one of the that's
Speaker 8: one of the top five seeds in the horizon.
Speaker 2: By the way, didn't you critique Caitlin Clark's shooting form?
Speaker 3: Yes, o, yes, but see.
Speaker 2: That that's where you're like, no, what do you know?
Speaker 3: No, what do you mean know? No?
Speaker 8: Hold on wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
Speaker 8: I could critique her show.
Speaker 7: No no no, no, no, no no no. How many divisions
Speaker 7: on men's v log.
Speaker 2: If you ever have a shooting car Oh, I have
Speaker 2: to play now to understand shooting.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: Again, I haven't coached a game, correct, I probably can
Speaker 2: coach and win four games. Again, yes, I could probably
Speaker 2: win five.
Speaker 10: Okay, yeah, see just in the in the in the
Speaker 10: in the sake of fairness, what you are the guy
Speaker 10: Dan who told Ray.
Speaker 3: Allen he was shooting the ball wrong to his face.
Speaker 2: To his face?
Speaker 3: You did you did say you know you're.
Speaker 7: Doing that wrong?
Speaker 3: First to his face?
Speaker 7: First of all, what was the actual tweet?
Speaker 3: What was actually was?
Speaker 7: It was the tweet she can't.
Speaker 2: Shoot, no, or you talk about her form?
Speaker 8: She was shooting the ball from the less side. Kevin
Speaker 8: Durant does, and it's a no he does not. The
Speaker 8: end well not in the end, right Okay, but she wasn't.
Speaker 7: She has.
Speaker 8: She had a little Lonzo ball and she since adjusted it.
Speaker 8: And the point of the tweet was, it's amazing how
Speaker 8: much work she's put in to shoot through a shooting flaw. Okay,
Speaker 8: to shoot through a shooting flaw. Where like Klay Thompson like,
Speaker 8: that's how you're supposed to shoot a basketball. That looks
Speaker 8: like the picture of how every person is supposed to
Speaker 8: the basketball. There's no Reggie Aloisius Miller, you know shot
Speaker 8: the ball with two hands.
Speaker 3: It's not but he shot through a flaw.
Speaker 8: It actually shows he has greater work ethic and confidence
Speaker 8: because no matter what how you're supposed to do it,
Speaker 8: he did it so often and with so much confidence
Speaker 8: he can make it in.
Speaker 3: Spite of it.
Speaker 8: Okay, but if you watch Caitlin Clark's form, now, take
Speaker 8: a snapshot of it, take a snapshot of it last
Speaker 8: year when she was heading into the WNBA. She's changed
Speaker 8: and fixed her shot. People don't want to hear it
Speaker 8: because I was a bad shooter in college. My issue
Speaker 8: was one, I was a HEINZ fifty seven guy, so
Speaker 8: many people making suggestions that was constantly moving around, and
Speaker 8: two it became a self confidence thing. But if I
Speaker 8: couldn't physically shoot a basketball, I've been wouldn't have been
Speaker 8: recruited by the number of schools that was recruited by
Speaker 8: The shooting issues didn't stop us from winning.
Speaker 7: And oh yeah, by the.
Speaker 8: Way, they didn't actually occur in terms of fundamental flaws.
Speaker 8: But look, if my c out there, that's my job.
Speaker 2: Oh it doesn't sho It wasn't.
Speaker 8: As the head coach. That was when I'm just a
Speaker 8: radio host and basketball analyst. Go check the time stamp
Speaker 8: on it.
Speaker 3: Give me the time stamp on that. Okay, that was
Speaker 3: That was.
Speaker 8: That was before I became the head basketball coach at
Speaker 8: Green Bay, And since I've become the head basketball coach,
Speaker 8: we talk about the same thing.
Speaker 7: We talked about.
Speaker 8: Do we do we fix a guy's shot and change
Speaker 8: his form, which you have to strip it back down
Speaker 8: and then build it back up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think may first, what day did I get
Speaker 5: the job?
Speaker 2: Dan?
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 7: So what was my job at the time that I
Speaker 7: made the tweet?
Speaker 3: Your job was to be a radio host.
Speaker 8: And college basketball analyst? And oh yeah, by the way,
Speaker 8: like this is the amazing thing about me. Whether I
Speaker 8: like it or don't like it. The reality is that
Speaker 8: I do have this unique ability to draw reaction, to
Speaker 8: draw reaction. You do, Okay, you do, so, okay, I
Speaker 8: just I stand by my analysis of a shot. Okay,
Speaker 8: her three point numbers had gone down when she was
Speaker 8: at Iowa, and they were lower when she was in
Speaker 8: the WNBA, And by my assessment, it was because she
Speaker 8: was so good she was getting guard further and further
Speaker 8: out and she was shooting further and further out. Yet No,
Speaker 8: but you do know who her boyfriend is, right, Yeah,
Speaker 8: Connor McCaffrey. Okay, do you know Connor McCaffrey's dad is Okay,
Speaker 8: you know he recruited me a Notre dame. He's like
Speaker 8: a second father to me, is a mentor to me.
Speaker 8: So yeah, like I'm, I'm.
Speaker 3: We're good.
Speaker 8: It's not like Kaitlin Clark's going around. She's not like
Speaker 8: Lebron James or she's so insecure that she wants to.
Speaker 2: Tweet at me, right that that should help you today.
Speaker 8: Well, it's the reality of it, Like, why are you
Speaker 8: tweeting about me on your day off?
Speaker 2: Right? He's Doug Gottlieb. He guarantees at least thirteen wins
Speaker 2: or something like that.
Speaker 3: Hold on, can I I know you got to go on? Yeah?
Speaker 8: Uh, you guys were awesome last night. I mean, let's
Speaker 8: be honest, Frank was really awesome last night. He carried,
Speaker 8: He carried the thing. But I truly appreciate not.
Speaker 3: Just she coming to in how to be stocked in
Speaker 3: to Malone.
Speaker 2: It's it's you should know this when you you assist somebody.
Speaker 3: That's what it was doing.
Speaker 2: You accompanied it was and you said he don't.
Speaker 3: He carried the show. That's worth.
Speaker 7: I was tweaking you the way that you always tweak me.
Speaker 2: He sometimes your words hurt dog. I was working your
Speaker 2: words hurt dog.
Speaker 3: I was working my way to make fun. I know
Speaker 3: you shots beautiful.
Speaker 2: Thank you couldn't guard a soul, but I never said
Speaker 2: I could.
Speaker 3: That's right, you are who you can defend.
Speaker 8: Yes, But I mean, like, first of all, I think
Speaker 8: you see from the outpouring support from people you know
Speaker 8: here at the bar to when you're around town. It
Speaker 8: means a lot to people of Green Bay that you
Speaker 8: guys brought the show here by the show.
Speaker 7: And it means and.
Speaker 8: You know, Polly and Seaton and I we used to
Speaker 8: be right next to each other in a cubicle at ESPN,
Speaker 8: and I mean to go from there to where you
Speaker 8: guys are here and to still be honestly gracious with
Speaker 8: your time last night, I truly truly appreciate it. Look,
Speaker 8: I get it, like the numbers, the record wasn't good.
Speaker 8: We're gonna win, It's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 8: But your just support of showing up is awesome, and
Speaker 8: it's mentorship and friendship.
Speaker 7: I truly appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that he's Doug Gottlieb feels like PAULI may
Speaker 2: have written a little bit of what Doug.
Speaker 3: Just said there.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm proud of myself.
Speaker 3: I was the feeling.
Speaker 2: I mean it had a tinge of sentiment there.
Speaker 7: He was amazing. Is the singing voice he brought down
Speaker 7: the hot No.
Speaker 2: He can't say Okay, I gotta go, Doug Gottlieb.
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Speaker 2: We did it. We made it to a Friday. Look
Speaker 2: at this crowd. They were here early this morning. I
Speaker 2: don't even know if they left Lambeau. I think they
Speaker 2: went right from the draft right over here, and we're
Speaker 2: glad to have him. By the way, it's a meat Friday,
Speaker 2: and yes we have Trager grills here with us. We
Speaker 2: got wings, flats, only cheese, kurds and brats. Who has
Speaker 2: it better than we do? No? Alright, I like it.
Speaker 2: Audience participation. We'll try that again. Who has it better
Speaker 2: than we do?
Speaker 3: I love it.
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Speaker 2: to seven to three DP show. We say good morning.
Speaker 2: If you're watching on Peacock, thank you downloading the app.
Speaker 2: It's our streaming partner. A lot of things to dive into. Yesterday,
Speaker 2: late in the show, I'd gotten word that Jacksonville was
Speaker 2: going to make a move. I didn't know what the
Speaker 2: move was going to be, and I thought, if they're
Speaker 2: trading up, who are they trading up for, or if
Speaker 2: somebody is going to trade with them and they fall
Speaker 2: down a little bit in the draft, what's going to
Speaker 2: happen with Jacksonville. I thought the draft would start with Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: I guess you can say that the draft did start
Speaker 2: with Jacksonville because they went up and got the number
Speaker 2: two pick from the Cleveland Browns and they took Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2: Apparently they didn't have much contact with Travis Hunter prior
Speaker 2: to the draft, and I think he was surprised. But
Speaker 2: I give Jacksonville credit because you do have a quarterback,
Speaker 2: and now you've got a curiosity. They're a two way player.
Speaker 2: Your show, heyo, Tani of Ors. I'm still confused here
Speaker 2: because we had Daniel Jeremiah who worked the draft for
Speaker 2: NFL Network, and he joined us yesterday and he said
Speaker 2: it was one hundred percent, one hundred percent the Browns
Speaker 2: were taking Travis Hunter, and I'm thinking, okay, if they
Speaker 2: take Travis Hunter, and late in the show, I told
Speaker 2: you that I didn't think Shador Sanders was going in
Speaker 2: the first round. I had heard from somebody who said
Speaker 2: that they didn't think that. A scout said they didn't
Speaker 2: think that he was going in the first round. Now
Speaker 2: what I thought was, if he doesn't go in the
Speaker 2: first round, Cleveland has the first pick today, So you
Speaker 2: could take Shador Sanders today, You could have taken Travis
Speaker 2: Hunter yesterday, and then you reunite them. To me, that
Speaker 2: gives Cleveland some gravitas something umph you. I mean, Joe
Speaker 2: Flacco's my age and he's quarterbacking the Cleveland Browns. Actually
Speaker 2: he's a year younger than me.
Speaker 3: Got it.
Speaker 2: But you got Miles Garrett. I mean, what else do
Speaker 2: you have here? You could have had an identity overnight
Speaker 2: with Travis Hunter and then Shaudor Sanders and I think
Speaker 2: Cleveland's probably taking Shador Sanders with that first pick in
Speaker 2: the second round. So there were a lot of things
Speaker 2: yesterday and I'm watching the draft, and you would never
Speaker 2: get the feeling that cam Ward was the number one
Speaker 2: overall pick because while he's being selected, the Mothership and
Speaker 2: NFL network went all in on the trade at number two.
Speaker 2: So cam Ward was an he might be one of
Speaker 2: those five ten years from now will be like Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2: Did he go number one? No, he went number two?
Speaker 2: Who went number one?
Speaker 3: Uh? No, cam War. That's right, cam Warn.
Speaker 2: Because it and it felt like the I guess the
Speaker 2: best player, most notable player was Travis Hunter. The second
Speaker 2: most notable player was Shaudor Sanders. Those were the two
Speaker 2: guys who were talked about the most. Shaudor for not
Speaker 2: being drafted, got a lot of airtime, and he talked
Speaker 2: about not being selected in the first round.
Speaker 11: We all didn't expect this, of course, but I feel
Speaker 11: like with God, anything possible, everything possible. I don't feel
Speaker 11: that just happened, you know, for no reason. All this
Speaker 11: is is of course fields to the fire, and under
Speaker 11: no circumstance. We all know this sin that happened, but
Speaker 11: we understand we own the bigger and better things. Tomorrow's
Speaker 11: the day we're gonna be happy in regardless.
Speaker 9: Doesn't there all right?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Did you see his draft room? He's got legendary like,
Speaker 2: he's got legendary all over. It's as if that's his wallpaper.
Speaker 2: It says legendary all over his room, all over everywhere.
Speaker 2: They got legendary wallpaper there. You know, he got humbled yesterday.
Speaker 3: He did.
Speaker 2: And if you'll go back to when we had Dion
Speaker 2: on when we were at the Super Bowl, it was like,
Speaker 2: are you telling teams to not draft your your son?
Speaker 3: And I mean there was a.
Speaker 2: Whole big deal about he's not going to go play
Speaker 2: for those teams and is he going to pull an
Speaker 2: Eli Manning?
Speaker 3: But he got humbled.
Speaker 2: Although DraftKings just gave me the odds here, and the
Speaker 2: team that has the best odds to draft shudor Sanders
Speaker 2: is the Cleveland Browns. Now the Raiders are second, and
Speaker 2: then you have the Saints Steelers a distant fourth, tied
Speaker 2: with the Jets and the Rams.
Speaker 5: There, Yes, Todd, to what extent was that arrogance, brash
Speaker 5: rumor thing you think a factor in him not going
Speaker 5: to pick in the first round versus that these teams just.
Speaker 3: Didn't want him in round one? What do you think.
Speaker 3: I think it did have a little bit of a factor.
Speaker 6: I think there were a few teams that were considering him,
Speaker 6: and that might have been the deciding factor. If they
Speaker 6: thought he had some kind of arrogance to him, that
Speaker 6: he might not be good in the locker room, then
Speaker 6: just you know what, let's move on to somebody else.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I haven't heard anything.
Speaker 2: I know that, you know, we've had these anonymous gms
Speaker 2: or you know, scouts who have said that about him.
Speaker 2: I was just told he didn't have a first round
Speaker 2: grade late yesterday in the show. Scout said I don't
Speaker 2: have a first round grade and he didn't waiver off
Speaker 2: of this. This is also the same person who said
Speaker 2: that he thinks a lot of the guys who do
Speaker 2: mock drafts were worried about, in his words, the smoke
Speaker 2: from not putting Shador Sanders in the first round, getting
Speaker 2: that smoke from Dion And I think that maybe people
Speaker 2: put him in there because, well, it's going to drive
Speaker 2: traffic to your mock draft if you don't have Shador
Speaker 2: in the first round.
Speaker 3: You know, we're in the entertainment business.
Speaker 2: Now, whether that's true or not, this is from a
Speaker 2: scout saying that he thinks a lot of the guys
Speaker 2: who do mock drafts put him in there just out
Speaker 2: of respect for Dion Sanders.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I said this before on the show. I had him
Speaker 2: third on my Heisman ballot. I had ash him genty,
Speaker 2: I had Travis Hunter, and then I had Shador. I
Speaker 2: thought that much of him. The one thing that kept
Speaker 2: coming back that I kept hearing was when you play
Speaker 2: in the NFL, you process so much quicker. And that's
Speaker 2: going to be a challenge for him and cam Ward
Speaker 2: and Jack Dart, whoever it is. You know, a lot
Speaker 2: of these guys play in a system that is really
Speaker 2: catered to making a lot of plays, completing a lot
Speaker 2: of passes. Chadoor was taken a lot of punishment. But
Speaker 2: you know, my friend who's the scout, said he holds
Speaker 2: onto the ball too long. Caleb Williams held on to
Speaker 2: the ball too long, and you saw what happened to
Speaker 2: him in his rookie year. Can Shador play in the NFL?
Speaker 2: I believe that. Do I think he's a star? I don't,
Speaker 2: but I had great respect for what he did at Colorado.
Speaker 2: And if I'm Cleveland and I've got Joe Flacco as
Speaker 2: my quarterback and Deshaun Watson somewhere in the building, I
Speaker 2: probably would have gone all in on Travis Hunter. I've
Speaker 2: got something unique, I've got something that somebody will tune
Speaker 2: in to watch. We're relevant, You're not. Now you know
Speaker 2: it's hey, let's tune in to watch Miles Garrett. Okay,
Speaker 2: you start with a quarterback or a skilled position guy.
Speaker 2: And if I got Travis Hunter and I take sit door,
Speaker 2: Sanders all rolled the dice on Shador's the second second
Speaker 2: day draft pick.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Shadur has that thing where he's a star, but
Speaker 10: maybe not a star player at that level. Right, he
Speaker 10: gets the attention, he's got a certain amount of charisma
Speaker 10: and and all of those things that you want a little.
Speaker 3: Flash for a superstar. Just the question is will it
Speaker 3: be a star player? Right?
Speaker 2: Well, how many times do we say this, like somebody's
Speaker 2: famous but we don't know what they're famous for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're famous for being famous?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. Like Anna Kornikova, the tennis player good poll. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like she was famous, but she wasn't a great tennis player.
Speaker 2: So Shadur is the ann I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: want to do it sounds like it does it sounds
Speaker 2: I'm going to retrack that. I don't want it taken
Speaker 2: out of contest.
Speaker 5: Yes, do you think what happened yesterday is that the
Speaker 5: Browns were all set and then someone got drunk and overpaid.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't I don't know if they actually got drunk,
Speaker 2: but they gave up.
Speaker 9: The fifth pick, the thirty six pick.
Speaker 5: Jacksonville they give it one hundred and thirty six pick
Speaker 5: and a first rounder next year, which should.
Speaker 9: Be in the top fifteen.
Speaker 3: It's a lot.
Speaker 2: If you're doing that, it feels like you're doing that
Speaker 2: because you're getting somebody who puts you over the top.
Speaker 2: I thought Jacksonville was going to win their division last year.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they have a star quarterback. I
Speaker 2: don't know if they have a franchise quarterback. He gets
Speaker 2: paid to be a franchise quarterback. But and plus, how
Speaker 2: am I using Travis Hunter? Can I use him the
Speaker 2: entire game? Is it going to be more offense than defense?
Speaker 2: And this is what Daniel Jeremiah said that you had
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter who was going to major in offense, in
Speaker 2: minor in defense, and it felt like, by all accounts,
Speaker 2: he could walk in day one and be a Pro
Speaker 2: Bowl cornerback and maybe not the same as a wide receiver. Seaton,
Speaker 2: what's the poll question for the first hour of the program?
Speaker 2: We might as well start with that story right there?
Speaker 2: Long term? Who made the better move? Jaguars or Browns?
Speaker 3: M okay, all right, what else do you have? Well?
Speaker 10: I don't know if this one is fair, so I
Speaker 10: guess I might as well ask it on air. Shador
Speaker 10: Sanders fell because ability or attitude.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say ability.
Speaker 3: I could also throw in another option there that says
Speaker 3: his dad. But wow, all of these feels really unfair.
Speaker 2: Probably not getting Dion on today?
Speaker 3: Are we probably on?
Speaker 2: Did you reach out Todd to Dion?
Speaker 5: I had?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, probably not getting him on today. This is
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for a we're keeping receipts. I'm waiting for
Speaker 2: that from Dion. Yes, Paul, I.
Speaker 5: Can't remember a draft in the last ten years where
Speaker 5: the analysts were so different. Mel Kiper was pounding the
Speaker 5: table literally, going, this is a huge mistake by about
Speaker 5: six or seven teams. A couple of like serious analysts
Speaker 5: last night on the two different networks, we're saying, I
Speaker 5: have Shador as my top three picks overall, top quarterback.
Speaker 9: Hands down.
Speaker 5: He's risk free, he's a competitor, you know that. Don't
Speaker 5: worry about measurables. It's it's drastically different the opinions.
Speaker 2: That's what amazes me. And then to have somebody who
Speaker 2: I trust say that he didn't have a first round
Speaker 2: grade for Shador. You're watching the same player play in
Speaker 2: the same games against the same competition that everybody else is.
Speaker 2: But you come away and I always use it as
Speaker 2: when you go into a museum and you go look
Speaker 2: at that, and then somebody will.
Speaker 3: Say what is that?
Speaker 2: Or wow, look like if you've ever looked at a
Speaker 2: Jackson Paullock painting, and then you go, who spilled all
Speaker 2: this paint? Or it's man, that's a genius there, or
Speaker 2: a roth go where you go that couple of million dollars,
Speaker 2: you know, So that kind of the way you look
Speaker 2: at sometimes these quarterbacks. Ashton Genty, I think we attached
Speaker 2: him to the Raiders a couple of months ago. I
Speaker 2: like what they're doing, but you got to keep pace
Speaker 2: in the West Kansas City's good. Chargers got another running back.
Speaker 2: You know they're gonna be good. Denver was a playoff team.
Speaker 2: I like what the Raiders did. We said this with
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll's not there to build the Raiders.
Speaker 2: He's there to win with the Raiders. And that's why
Speaker 2: you get Gino, who can play. He's a good quarterback.
Speaker 2: I got Brock Bowers, who's awesome. Now I get a
Speaker 2: great running back, and I got Max Crosby.
Speaker 3: I at least have something.
Speaker 2: I always look at some of these teams and you go,
Speaker 2: you know, coming up on Sunday night football, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you know, you go to the
Speaker 2: Steelers and it's Cam Hayward and you go, oh, that's
Speaker 2: not a good thing. You have to have somebody that
Speaker 2: you go, oh, yeah, we're going to tune in and
Speaker 2: watch that guy.
Speaker 3: Well, the Raiders have those guys. Yeah.
Speaker 10: When you look at Travis Hunter, right, I keep seeing
Speaker 10: a lot of the question marks about him as a cornerback.
Speaker 10: Everybody seems to be like he's polished, he's ready to go.
Speaker 10: There seems to be way more questions of him as
Speaker 10: a wide receiver. But that almost all of the like
Speaker 10: you were just saying about Daniels Ermia. It's like, well,
Speaker 10: he's going to major in offense and minor and defense.
Speaker 10: Doesn't that feel reversed?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I was surprised at that because I think
Speaker 2: he just and also, but look at the pay if
Speaker 2: you look at what receivers get and what dbs get.
Speaker 2: I mean, if I'm if I'm Travis Hunter, I'm going
Speaker 2: I think I'd like to play offense. I think they
Speaker 2: pay a little bit or over there. But he's a
Speaker 2: unicorn here. Is he going to get the Is he
Speaker 2: going to get numbers as a wide receiver if he's
Speaker 2: splitting time? And Drew Brees said this yesterday. He's like,
Speaker 2: I don't want my star receiver playing defense. I don't
Speaker 2: want that. Like the odds of getting injured. Everybody gets
Speaker 2: injured if I add an extra forty plays, so I've
Speaker 2: already increased the odds that my star player is going
Speaker 2: to eventually get hurt.
Speaker 10: Yes, there's always that old saying that I heard once
Speaker 10: about or many times about if you have two quarterbacks,
Speaker 10: you don't have one. Kind of feel the same way
Speaker 10: about that about Travis Hunt. If you have two positions,
Speaker 10: then you probably don't have one which is the one
Speaker 10: that you're going to be great at, and then if
Speaker 10: you're going to start doing the other one, it's taking
Speaker 10: away from how good you could be at the other.
Speaker 2: Do you think the Cleveland Browns made a good decision yesterday?
Speaker 3: I feel like maybe, so you're on the clock.
Speaker 2: Cam Ward's gone. Now you're on the clock. Jacksonville calls
Speaker 2: and says, here you go. How would you have done?
Speaker 3: I think that by taking him you win the day.
Speaker 3: But I don't know that. I feel like it's a
Speaker 3: little bit of a trap. Okay, I do. I feel
Speaker 3: like it's a little I think he's a great kid.
Speaker 3: I hope he does really really well.
Speaker 10: I feel like it's a little bit of a trap
Speaker 10: because he's he's very clear about I'm playing both positions here,
Speaker 10: and almost everybody universally is like, but you can't.
Speaker 2: Marvin, you're on the clock.
Speaker 3: If I'm Cleveland, I'm keeping my pick.
Speaker 2: So you're gonna you're gonna keep Travis Hunter. I am okay, Todd,
Speaker 2: you're on the clonk taking Travis Hunter.
Speaker 9: Paul, I'm trading. I don't want to be micromanaged and.
Speaker 5: Critiqued by how I use this player both sides of
Speaker 5: the ball. If you have an offensive set where he's
Speaker 5: not on the field for some reason and you thrown
Speaker 5: in completion, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: What are you doing? Every week?
Speaker 2: But I want to be talked about Cleveland's not gonna
Speaker 2: be talked about.
Speaker 3: You're not relevant.
Speaker 5: It's close with me, Like I if you take him
Speaker 5: man his first five years, he's probably gonna be awesome
Speaker 5: and play both ways.
Speaker 9: But my bet is in five years he's at one position.
Speaker 2: All I need him is for five years, yes, king contract,
Speaker 2: Like I need to be relevant. I gotta get out
Speaker 2: from underneath Deshaun Watson's deal. We eventually find our quarterback.
Speaker 2: I would have had Travis, I would have had Shudor
Speaker 2: And now all of a sudden we are relevant.
Speaker 10: Yeah see, but you also have to give him time
Speaker 10: to get up to speed. Right, so you're gonna have
Speaker 10: to survive that first half of the season. Say where
Speaker 10: it's like, all right, is this working or isn't it right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're not making the playoff, so you do
Speaker 2: have that leeway. It's like, okay, so what but people
Speaker 2: will tune in to watch the Browns, Yes, Martin.
Speaker 6: All right, So if he's just great at one position
Speaker 6: in margin with the other. Is he considered a bust
Speaker 6: because the thing about him was he's a unicorn he
Speaker 6: plays both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2: Well, Otani's not a great pitcher. He's a good pitcher.
Speaker 2: If he doesn't pitch again, nobody's going to say he's
Speaker 2: a bust.
Speaker 5: Yeah, pol I think the cop to Otani is exact.
Speaker 5: It's not even like forced. When Otani decided to come
Speaker 5: to American and play MLB, he told teams, I'm playing
Speaker 5: both ways. A number of teams passed on him. They passed,
Speaker 5: and one of the teams that said, will embrace it
Speaker 5: because the Angels needed relevancy and needed star power, and
Speaker 5: they said, yes, did they keep him? No, But they're
Speaker 5: one of the few teams that said, you can play
Speaker 5: both ways for us.
Speaker 10: Yes, Baseball as well also one of those games that
Speaker 10: you can go innings without having to do anything. You know,
Speaker 10: you might not see a single ball at right field,
Speaker 10: and you might not bat for this inning, next inning
Speaker 10: and the whatever, and so you actually do nothing. Playing
Speaker 10: both ways in baseball, or doing both positions is way
Speaker 10: easier than in the NFL.
Speaker 3: All right,