WEBVTT - The Best of the Week on The Dan Patrick Show 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.520 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:04.400 Sports Radio. 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:07.720 Matt Lafleur, the Packer's head coach who joins us on 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:10.319 the program, is seventh season there, come on in, coach. 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:16.600 The Packers went eleven and six the number two seed Eagles. 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:18.759 They lost to them. Hi, Bud, good to see you. 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:23.280 So sit down. We got a home field advantage here. 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.320 I know, nine o'clock in the morning, drinking some beer. 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:30.360 They only in Green Bay. They started showing up at 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:31.040 three point thirty in. 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.120 The morning for tomorrow night's draft. Yeah, a deal, I know. 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:38.200 So when it comes to draft week, are you any 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:41.440 different than you are in other weeks preparing for the draft? 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:43.400 Well, I mean you're juggling. 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.280 We have our first phase of the off season programs, 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:49.279 so right now we're doing it virtually because of just 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.919 all the people that are congregating to Green Bay, and 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:57.000 so you're just kind of juggling that schedule and doing 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.720 the last second setting. 0:00:59.440 --> 0:00:59.880 Of the board. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.480 But in dealing with the media, in what you say 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:05.880 and how you say, because you don't want to tip 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:10.240 your hand, are you like how good are you at lying? 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:16.280 Just depends who you're asking, So like, let me say 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:17.280 who are you drafting? 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:20.160 Well, that's a great question, you know. That's what I 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.840 usually say, who are we drafted? I'm sure you've done 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:26.080 a mock so no, no, no, I'm the only somebody here. 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:28.920 No, no, no, we do not. We are mock free. 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:30.560 We are mockless. 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.280 But some that I watch and I look at and 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:36.920 I'm like, I hope not. And then there's others that 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:38.199 I get really excited about. 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.360 So, but you have to it's almost like you're preparing 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:45.440 somebody for a deposition. You're just like, okay, let's create 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:47.960 a mock draft. Now how do we react to that? 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.480 So you would go through scenarios, probably in real time, 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.960 where somebody goes all right, cam Ward's off the board, 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:58.520 Travis off the board, Ashton genty off the board. So 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:00.480 then you get to where you got are. 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.320 Yeah, you know that's something that our scouting department does 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.280 more than what we do as a staff. 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.639 Oh So you wouldn't get together in a room and go, okay, 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:10.880 if this happens, then we do this. 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.600 No, but our scouting department does all that. Okay, So 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:17.639 we focus more our time. Like I said, it's it's 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.320 phase one of our off season programs. So the majority 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:23.480 of our time this week is dedicated to our players. 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:26.720 I was talking to Mel Kuyper about this, and he said, 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:32.120 why do coaches and gms put more faith or credence 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.360 in things that happen after a season is over? So 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:38.520 they haven't These guys haven't played any games, you know, 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.600 maybe the Senior Bowl. And Mel said, you know, you're 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.160 trying to get guys playing against guys who will play 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:46.520 in the NFL, because there are guys who are playing 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.320 against guys who won't be in the NFL and trying 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.800 to understand just how good somebody is. So how difficult 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.720 is that to go asking Genty? I see him and man, 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.960 he's dominating, But is he dominating against guys who will 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.760 play in the NFL? Or Shadoor Sanders playing against somebody 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:04.760 or a wide receiver? 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:06.440 So how do you. 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:09.760 Then kind of read between the lines of that guy 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:10.520 is legitimate? 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.400 Well, I think you always are looking for certain traits 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.680 at every position, and obviously there's a lot of testing, 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.040 and the guys are doing less and less of that, 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:23.520 but you're just looking for traits. I do think it 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.680 becomes more of a challenge when you're maybe at some 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:30.559 of the lower levels when guys just absolutely dominate the competition. 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.160 It's easier when you're looking at some guys that are 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.280 coming from some of these SEC programs where there's just 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:37.920 more NFL talent on the field. 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:39.520 What are red flags to you? 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:46.280 Well, it just depends. There's character issues that come up, 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:50.880 because I think if you get good people and that 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.000 love the game of football, and that's always the thing 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.040 that you're trying to find out throughout the draft process. 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.320 But if you get guys that love the game of 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.240 football and have high character, I feel like they have 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.920 a chance of reading their reaching their ceilings. 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:06.920 So that is something that we're always looking for. 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.560 Okay, but what could you ask me that is going 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:10.480 to reveal. 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.880 Well, I mean there's there's a lot of background that 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.120 goes into these guys and that that's where you rely 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:22.120 so heavily on the scouting department. And certainly there's relationships 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:26.279 that you have with people at schools, whether it's other 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.440 coaches or whoever, and you're always trying to get people 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:31.480 to give you the truth. 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.800 We're talking to Matt Luflor, the Packer's head coach. How 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.000 often have you gone out for a game and you 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:38.800 know it's going to be. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.240 Cold, and it's almost every week. 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:44.360 But but but you have to put on a good front. 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.720 You have to be tough, you know, right, you can't 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:49.040 be like all bundled up. 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:54.000 Yeah, you're right. So what I've learned is it doesn't matter. 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:59.480 It's all about layering. So I might have like seven 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.120 layers have clothed on. Now they might be very thin. 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.240 But I like to wear a vest usually out on 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:08.479 the field. But if I'm in a coat, full coat, 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:09.440 you know it's cold. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.200 Okay, but you have good hair. How important is it 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.080 to make sure that the hair is not covered up? 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.960 Well, you know, it just depends. I try not to 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:18.640 wear a hat, but sometimes I do. 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:19.000 Yeah. 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:21.200 If they make hats that I like, then I'm more 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.479 apt to wear them. Sometimes they don't always make the 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:24.039 hats I like. 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.680 Okay, but you got good hair. I appreciate that. Then 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:28.240 you know what, you've got great hairs? 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.880 Who I have great And I have gray hair too. 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.800 It's great and mine's coming in. It's starting to go. 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.160 Yeah. How long did it take you to get over 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:39.440 the loss to the Eagles? 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.280 I mean you got to flip the script pretty quickly. 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:47.359 Obviously, it's it's disappointing, but I think that when you 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:50.760 look at them, I think they were the best team 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:53.040 probably in the NFL, and they proved it. 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.080 You know, we start, we do get caught up on 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.840 quarterbacks and wide receivers and all of that, and really 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.280 it's offensive and defense of lines that's a. 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:03.279 Big, big player. 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:05.679 I mean, you look at they were dominant up front 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.520 on both sides of the ball. Certainly we had a 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:13.400 hard time blocking them and also conversely getting pressure on 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:14.120 the quarterbacks. 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.240 So they are built the right way. 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:22.200 The brotherly shove that the Packers came out Kins, would 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.120 you have liked that to have remained anonymous that there's 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:25.800 a team, that. 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:29.479 It is what it is. We might have had some 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.560 nudging towards that, but I'm not really going to get 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:32.960 into that. 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.240 Did the commissioner say we need somebody to speak up? 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:37.560 I wouldn't say that. 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:40.480 Because I don't think the commissioner wants this. No can 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.480 I can I say what I think happened. Sure, Okay, 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.440 I think the commissioner nudged you guys to say, look, 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.000 if you have a grievance, put your name to it. 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:52.599 I'll owe you one. And because I don't think he 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:54.520 wants that play to stay in the game. 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.599 Well, it's not a great football play. 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.479 And then certainly when you look at what happened in 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:04.359 the Washington Commander game where Frankie Louver was launching over. 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:06.960 The top, which I mean it's a tough play to stop. 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.360 We've actually had more success and we had some studies 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:15.200 ran We've had more success with a traditional quarterback sneak 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.040 than we have with you know, whatever you want to 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:19.600 call it, brotherly show. 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:21.840 I think Philadelphia is still going to be dominating with 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.000 the quarterback sneak. I agree because of that line in 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:25.040 that quarterback. 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.600 I mean they do a great job and I mean 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:30.800 Jalen Hurts can squat the house. 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.800 They do a good job of just you know, winn 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:35.720 in the line of scrimmage. 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.280 It all starts right there and they get really low 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.920 and they've they've perfected it. 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:44.520 Take me back to the Jordan Love Draft. How many 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.560 different players did you have penciled in for that draft? 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:47.840 Pick? 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:52.800 What picked were we? I can't remember what pick? Yeah, 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:53.960 I'd say twenty. 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:58.200 Yeah, how many How many players did you have on 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.680 the board that you were thinking of if the draft 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:02.200 played out? 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:02.880 How you thought of it? 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.680 Yeah, there was certainly a couple and I think, you know, 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.520 it's a credit to Goody and his staff just having 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:13.920 that vision of if you don't have a quarterback in 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:19.240 today's game, you're you're screwed, So let's just throw it 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:23.000 out there. It's just tough. So you need to have 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.520 that position solidified. And we're lucky we got him because 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.720 I think he's a He's not only a great player, 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.880 but I think he's an even better person. And I 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.000 just love the energy comes in with each and every 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.760 day and he works his tail off and he's continuing 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:39.959 to develop as a leader. 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:42.880 It's like taking a test, but you don't get your 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:46.960 grade till three years later because you draft him and 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:50.520 then you sit him and everybody is like, you know, 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.120 you wasted a two years with Rogers, or you don't 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:55.920 take a wide receive? Were you taking a wide receiver? 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:00.120 Yeah, potentially if the right guy was there, But who 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:01.079 who would that have been? 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:06.920 Well, I mean there was some good ones, so I 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:08.079 know I went. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.120 You went one before, Yeah, I believe, so I think 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:12.400 San Francisco traded up. 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:14.560 Would you have taken Ayuk if he was there? 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:15.880 I think potentially. 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.160 I mean I don't want to speak for everybody in 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:20.880 our organization, but I think that certainly would have been 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:21.720 in the discussion. 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.040 I think Jefferson. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:27.160 Went, yeah, Chase, we knew he was going to be gone, 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:31.120 so but yeah, Jefferson was right there in the wheelhouse. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:35.400 So I mean, there's always you better have a few 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:39.400 players that are kind of there for you. And I 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:42.400 think the controversy of that whole deal was that we 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:45.080 traded up to go get Jordans. If we would have 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.760 stayed there picked him, I don't I think it would 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.160 have been less. Obviously, it still would have been a 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.640 big story. But I think the fact that we went 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:57.480 up to go get him, But I do think obviously 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:58.760 it was the right decision. 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.760 Oh yeah, I understand that, and I thought you guys. 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:06.480 Were I love Yeah, I need I need that support 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:07.600 from my Packer fans. 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:12.280 I think you're good. I think you're good on that. 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:16.120 But you you have to place that call to Aaron. 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:21.160 Yeah, how was that interesting? I think he was shocked. 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:26.079 Okay, I'll play you call me okay, Yeah, oh hey, hey, coach, 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.199 what what what happened? 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:33.440 I don't think that that was like what the bleep? 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:35.720 I think there was more of that. 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.360 Yeah, Okay, so, so what the bleep just happened? I 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:43.120 will say, I mean, whether that was why or whatnot. 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:46.319 But he did go out and had two pretty damn 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:47.280 good years back and back. 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:51.880 Yeah you pissed him off? Yeah yeah. What memories do 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.920 you have playing for the Omaha Beef? Oh, the Omaha Beef. 0:10:55.720 --> 0:11:01.400 Probably the rump Roasters, which were these three hundred pound men, 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:03.800 three hundred plus pound men that would go out there 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:05.520 at halftime and perform for the crowd. 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.960 That's what you remember. No, not really, but I just 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.040 thought it was a good story. What kind of quarterback 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:14.040 were you for the omahak Beef? Probably not a very 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:14.520 good one. 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:17.760 No, I just I was kind of a run around 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.080 guy and can make some plays with my legs. 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.720 Do your players ever bring up your career? 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:24.000 Now? 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:25.520 Do you ever? 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.800 I'm sure they do behind my back, and it probably 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:29.959 make fun of me a little bit. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.520 But do you have your Omaha Beef jersey? I do not. 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.320 Damn I'd love to have that. I'd love to hang 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:38.600 that in the man cave. Yeah, that never found your 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:39.320 Omaha Beef. 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.920 I don't think they. I mean, I think the budget 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.760 was a little bit different. They probably were used it 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:45.920 for the next five years. 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:49.079 So sometimes we get caught up in oh, you never 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.839 played the game, but you played the game. You didn't play, 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.839 you know at the NFL level. Sure, how much does 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:59.600 that impact you? Do you think when you're especially when 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.200 you're called plays and trying to put yourself in the 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.600 position of Jordan or Aaron Well. 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:08.440 I think having the quarterback background certainly helps. I think 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:11.440 it allows you to kind of see the game and 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:13.720 feel the game through the lens of the quarterback, which 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.280 is I think most play callers are trying to do. 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:18.240 And how do you set that guy up for success 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.640 and ultimately scores as many points as you can. But 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:25.640 you know, I don't think it necessarily matters. You've seen 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.520 great coaches that have never played football that go on 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:32.520 and have great careers, and you know, but I was 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.800 fortunate for my time. I started out of Western Michigan 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.880 as a as a walk on and as a receiver, 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.160 and then when I transferred to sag in the Valley, 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.680 I didn't really know if I was going to play 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.640 quarterback or receiver, and it just it worked out that way, 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:49.599 and I started for three years and we had a 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:50.000 lot of fun. 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.320 Yeah, Dan, I got a couple of updates about coach 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.959 Lafora's time with Omaha Beef on befootball dot com as 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.880 always before you got. 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.319 Are they still rolling right now? Oh yeah, okay. 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.160 You went into the Hall of Fame in twenty twenty four, 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:04.880 the Beef Hall of Fame. 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:09.360 Yeah, wait a minute. 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:07.080 I was. 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:09.600 Around of a blog. 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:16.120 Probably my proudest accomplishment. And Dan also, if. 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.520 You go to their website you can get custom jerseys, 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.280 so you could have one made for yourself. 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.320 You know what, maybe my wife can do that for 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.960 me for my birthday or something Christmas. 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.600 That'd be nice, nice little beef gift there. It's great 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:30.760 to see you, Thank you for joining us, and good 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:31.640 luck with the draft. 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.160 Who are you taking it? Again? That's a great question. 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:36.960 A lot of unknowns in this draft, guys, a lot 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:37.640 of unknowns. 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:41.520 So wait there they are right there. It's who are taken? 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.079 I you guys, tell me I don't know you, I 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:49.040 don't know. Pick twenty three. You don't normally take a receiver. 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:51.600 Now you're going to take a wide receiver. 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.839 What do the fans want? I'm sure, I'm sure they 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:59.040 want some wide receivers. Yeah, yeah, I get it. So 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.560 I go to my kids back basketball events and certainly 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.040 somebody will just slip me a piece of paper with 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:05.760 their pick for us. 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.800 So yeah, yeah, and then you could go, oh, I 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.800 never thought about that. Thanks, I never would have known that. Man, 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:13.079 maybe you get a wide receiver. 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.800 We'll see. Okay, thanks for joining us. 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:23.760 He is Matt Lafleur, the Packer's head coach. Thanks an 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:24.920 thank you coach. 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.600 Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:32.000 the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:36.240 dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:40.200 listen live. This is crazy another draft night love you know, 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:45.720 you know we had it all the inside it the probs, 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:50.080 they picks. If you missed anything podcasted on your favorite 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:54.560 platform or just watch it on YouTube, just search FSR. 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:57.000 We are Fox Sports Radio. 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.880 He's Doug Gottlieb, the University of Wisconsin Bay head coach, 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:04.560 hosted The Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio as 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:08.760 well as We make way for the head coach of. 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:10.000 The Phoenix. 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.800 Product placement. You got everything that says Wisconsin Green Bay. 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:22.280 Yes, yeah, that's the job. 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:23.960 Don't need a wardrobe, you got it? 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:25.600 I actually don't. That's the weirdest thing. 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.720 It's like, you know, money wise, everybody says how further 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:30.840 the dollar goes in Green Bay, Wisconsin. 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:32.920 Then you throw in that you don't actually ever have 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:33.520 to buy clothes. 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.040 You just wear a DSGB gear and you're saving money 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:37.000 on a daily basis. 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.520 If I said two years ago you'd be sitting here 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:41.920 and we would be talking about your first year as 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.280 a head basketball coach, you would have said what. 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:45.880 I would have believed that. 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.120 I'm not sure I would have believed Green Bay or 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:54.760 how everything transpired, but yeah, I mean I felt more 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:59.880 and more prepared to take this on with every passing 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.520 because I invested more and more into not just the 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.680 craft of broadcasting. And you know this from It's no 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:08.880 different than a radio show or a TV show or 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:10.640 when you're calling games and you've done it. 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:12.520 There are people that do it and there are. 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.520 People that live it, right, And I felt like I 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:16.680 was a guy that really lived it and really kind 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.440 of invested in, Okay, what's this process actually like? How 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.600 do you put together as scouting? Import how you and 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.760 all the things that I had thought I had known 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:27.200 as a player and studied some as a broadcaster. I'd 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.600 gone to a deeper dive of because I just had 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.960 that burning desire every time a game would be done. 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.120 Every time you just left with this hollow feeling. There's 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:38.840 no win, there's no loss when you're broadcasting games. So 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.520 as much as there was a lot of pain this year, 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.480 there's still you're alive if you're feeling that pain and 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.160 you feel very much alive when you're coaching. 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:48.520 What did you not expect that happened? 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:49.680 Oh? 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:57.320 How long's the show? Honestly, the hardest part is at 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:58.960 the start I learned it and at the end I 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.760 learned it. I'm not great at saying no to people 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:06.320 I care about, and between when you're hiring people and 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:08.840 it's not going to work and you have to not 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:12.240 hire somebody, or not offer a scholarship to a player 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:16.160 that a dear friend has sworn by, or then at 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:20.240 the end when despite the fact that the kid is 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.960 a great kid, you got a part company because we 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.000 just have to get better. We still are in the 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.360 We want to form great men. We want them all 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.879 to graduate from gb We want to be productive members 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:32.520 of society. 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.119 We wanted to have jobs here. We got win some games, 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:35.600 and so. 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.040 You know, sometimes those guys shake your hand and walk 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:41.040 out the door and put themselves in the transfer portal, 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.440 and you're legitimately sad you're going to miss them because 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:45.480 they're good human beings. 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.720 They filled up your life with good energy. 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:52.600 You win four games, and I'm curious of you and 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:57.240 your radio show, your reputation, how much that impacted, how 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.679 much criticism you received by just winning four games? 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:04.840 Oh, I think it was ten to twentyfold what anybody 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:08.440 else at our level ever got. We say this around 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:10.800 the office, and I say, in recruiting, there's pretty much 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.919 eleven college basketball teams that people care about. There's the 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.840 ten best, and then there's us. Right, there's the ten best, 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:19.840 and it's it was wild. 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:23.399 I mean we had But do you think that it 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.080 felt like ESPN was going out of its ways? 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.480 Yeah? And others and others. 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:32.359 Yes, but yes, I mean it it was crazy, like yes, 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.280 like FanDuel was tweeting a wrect like I have no 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.240 relationship with FanDuel. I've never said anything critical of FanDuel. 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:42.360 You know, the companies that we work for work with 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.720 other companies other than FanDuel, But they were constantly posting 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.800 like our record on their social. 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.600 Media page, like what is the deal with ESPN. 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.919 I mean, I guess it's it's people defending Adam Schefter 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.240 for a tweet which was categorically false. 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.800 You know, so yeah, it did. 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:06.760 It felt personally the tweet, Well, Shafty had tweeted that 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:12.440 sach State had fifty million dollars in nil uh and 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.520 they were going after Mike Vick as their head coach. 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:18.240 And it's just laughable. It's just laughable. 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:23.040 And again my point, and I quote tweeted back replied 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:24.639 to him, and it was like a nothing, you know, 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:26.800 It's like it's one of those things where you tube bad, 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:29.479 like come on shifty, like you know, it's like one 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.199 of those check your sources. But I should have just 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.000 texted him or DMed him. 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.359 Can you not help yourself in situations like this? 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:37.119 I'm way better than I used to be. 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:39.639 Well, way have you ever seen you ever seen the 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:41.920 evolution of man poster? He has no the evolution of 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:45.160 man poster? Right where you go from like hunched over 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.320 to where we are now, I'm somewhere in the middle, Dan. 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:50.879 But you can't help yourself. 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:50.960 No. 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.440 When I was at when I left ESPN, that was bad, 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.680 you know, Like I just you know, that feeling because 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:58.639 you've done it, you did it before me where you 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:02.320 leave and you fear irrelevance, right because when you're there, 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:04.120 you're trained that this is the only. 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:06.320 Thing that's relevant. This is the only thing I'm in 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:07.280 sports that matters. 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.160 Right, So I would say, yeah, I was totally addicted 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:15.000 to social media when I left ESPN went to CBS 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:18.200 and it definitely ran me a foul there because their 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:22.320 perception of how real social media is, how much it matters, 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:25.359 I think skews in a direction which is not accurate. 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:27.520 I think they think that's like the end all be all. 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:29.440 They think the Richard Deitsch's of the world matter, and 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:36.919 they don't. Right, So I'm better now. But again, sometimes 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:40.880 it's just like he didn't need that one, right, didn't 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:44.720 need that one. But the point was that like Sacramento 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.600 State having fifty million dollars in an ell and never, Hey, 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.840 my bad, somebody told me something that is And I'm 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:53.679 the bad guy for pointing out that everyone in sports 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:57.879 that follows Adam Schefter knows that he just cut and 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:02.000 pasted a text from somebody connected to the university that's 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:02.640 not accurate. 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.040 And it again, this is where you get do you. 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:08.000 Think any publicity is good publicity. 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:12.840 Yeah, unless it's like your personal life, your sex life, 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:15.359 or some of the stuff that's going on with other people. 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:16.920 Let's talk about your sex life. 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:17.760 Let's not. 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:23.120 Doug Gottlid the University of Wisconsin Green Bay head coach. 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:25.400 But if you look. 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:27.879 So, I'm thinking of your word last night and so 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:29.120 now it's in my head. 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:33.080 I'm struggling. 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.360 Don't do that to me, Dad, But you get has 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:40.120 a secret word, esay the secret word, and he planted 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:42.200 it and everybody and do you guys know what. 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:42.879 An earworm is? 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:46.040 The earworm of a song, like I have an earworm 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.200 of that word, and like, just do not say that. 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:49.320 Do not say that. 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:51.600 You want to keep your jaz Okay, so you keep 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:54.480 you know you're going after Lebron or Lebron. 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:57.160 I didn't go after Lebron. Okay, I never went after. 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:03.119 You said Lebron's son wouldn't play for years you had guards. 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:06.040 I did not hold on. I didn't say he could 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:09.400 not play no team. 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:12.000 I didn't think he would start, okay, And yeah, in hindsight, 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:15.040 Yay probably would have started, not over Anthony Roy, Like, hey, 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:17.359 just see, you know Lebron. Anthony Roy averaged thirty a game. 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:19.480 He's leading the country and in effect a field goal percentage. 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:23.640 He's a walking bucket. He's an amazing, amazing young player. Okay, 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:27.639 so that's my comp My comp was, I don't I 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:32.439 never thought that he's a point guard, okay, and you 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:34.480 know that the he's not better than Anthony Roy. 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:37.440 And it was Jeremiah Johnson, who was a top one hundred. 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:40.240 And fifty kid who's the same age as Bronni and 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:42.440 like you're defending your guys as part of it. But yeah, 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:44.879 like I thought he would have to compete to start 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:46.560 at Green Bay. In hindsight, whuld he started? 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:46.960 Probably? 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:49.320 Yeah, he's a good player, Like at the mid major 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:51.680 level is where he should have gone. I stand by 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:53.400 that he should have gone to Dukuane for a year 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:57.960 and play for Lebron's like best friend, gotten his confidence 0:22:58.000 --> 0:22:59.400 and then if you want to start. This has been 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:01.920 such a dog and pony show, and Lebron's gone around 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:04.359 the country, you know, chastising Stephen A. 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:06.960 Smith and tweeting me for. 0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:11.520 No reason because all I've ever done is been honest, Like, sorry, 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:14.159 I saw your son play in the Mission League. He 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:16.280 was not one of the ten best high school players 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:17.680 in that league. He was the best high school league 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:20.320 in the country. But he wasn't. I didn't say he stinks. 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:21.960 I didn't say he can't play. I never said he 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:26.320 can't play at Green Bay. Just the evaluation was completely false. 0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:28.960 He wasn't a No one was fighting over him to 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:31.840 be a second round pick. JJ Reddick saying he earned 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:34.000 all of this, Like what are we even talking about? 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:37.560 So again, if he develops into an NBA player, great, 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:40.760 if this path makes him into something that we didn't 0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:44.360 see coming, awesome, But like, don't bs us and then 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:48.320 chastise us for giving honest basketball opinion, right, I don't 0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:50.679 think I made it personal. And then he quote to 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:52.520 me and here's the here's the. 0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:53.359 Crazy part about it. 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:54.040 Here's great. 0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:57.879 Did you know I signed Lebron? Did you guys know that? 0:23:57.920 --> 0:23:58.120 Yeah? 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:06.160 Last night sign we signed Lebron Thomas, who's first team 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:09.560 Junior College All American. Right, super talented kid. But you'll 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:14.040 love the story. So, in the process of recruiting Lebron, 0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:19.879 he's at Vincennes Junior College and his parents are in 0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:22.720 South Carolina. So the day before the dead period where 0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:24.840 you can't go out and see people. During the Final four, 0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:28.520 I flew down to South Carolina because, like, if you're 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:31.359 going to send your baby to green Bay, Wisconsin to 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:33.800 play for me for two years, like you're gonna want 0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:36.080 to face to face and meet the guy, right. So 0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:38.879 I go down and I meet his parents and they're lovely, 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:44.639 and we're walking out from a restaurant in Columbia and 0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:46.359 his dad grabs me and he's like, hey, coach, g 0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:47.240 one more thing. 0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:50.840 What's the deal with Lebron tweeted at you. 0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:55.000 I'm like, oh, is this gonna be a problem. He's like, no, no, no, 0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:57.240 I think it's great. We'll have Lebron play for you 0:24:57.280 --> 0:25:00.240 and Lebron tweeting at you. So the point is in 0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:03.760 the any publicity is good publicity. We use it in 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:08.359 recruiting where we're like, hey, if there's one hundred people 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:10.960 who are now tweeting and caring about green Bay basketball 0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:13.560 who never did before and really don't now they just 0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:16.560 want to tweak us when we're down. If seventy five 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:19.399 percent of them eat their words next year, that's seventy 0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:22.320 five more people than ever cared about green Bay basketball. 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:25.560 And my players come to my defense because they know 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:28.320 we're doing the best we possibly can buy them and 0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:29.720 we just fell short too often. 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:31.440 Do you want to set the over under, PAULI? 0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:33.400 For Wisconsin Green Bay wins next year? 0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:35.760 Let's go they had four. 0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:38.760 I'm going I'm going twelve and a half. 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:39.440 Twelve and a half. 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:40.520 That's aggressive. 0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:41.760 Twelve and a hookah. 0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:45.000 How about you? Seaton? I taking the over or under 0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:46.600 on that? You're going over under? 0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:47.320 I'm a believer. 0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:49.119 I'm going with the over. Dug Okay, I got you. 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:53.919 Dug probably like thirteen yeah, yeah, like a big believer, 0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:56.720 but like thirteenth, that's a massive improvement. 0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:59.199 Yeah, Tom, what about you? Yeah? I could see fourteen 0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:06.040 fourteen wins? Marvin also, yeh, twenty plus anybody I know? 0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:07.080 Dan's going. 0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:12.400 No, he did say that he would double his wind 0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:14.920 total though, Yeah, yeah, you did guarantee that. 0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:16.960 Yeah, we're going games next year. Yeah, We're going We're 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:17.480 going games. 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:18.560 How many games do you think? 0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:21.800 I don't what's the successful Just give me a successful number? 0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:25.119 I I never said that before, So why would I 0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:27.640 said now? Because I'm asking successful season for us is. 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:30.280 We want to have a bye in the Horizon League tournament. 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:32.640 We want to have a bye one of the that's 0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:34.639 one of the top five seeds in the horizon. 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:39.520 By the way, didn't you critique Caitlin Clark's shooting form? 0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:43.240 Yes, o, yes, but see. 0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:45.760 That that's where you're like, no, what do you know? 0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:47.000 No, what do you mean know? No? 0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:49.240 Hold on wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait 0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:50.680 I could critique her show. 0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:53.919 No no no, no, no, no no no. How many divisions 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:54.880 on men's v log. 0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:58.679 If you ever have a shooting car Oh, I have 0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:00.359 to play now to understand shooting. 0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:00.560 No. 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:04.919 Again, I haven't coached a game, correct, I probably can 0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:09.040 coach and win four games. Again, yes, I could probably 0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:09.600 win five. 0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:14.080 Okay, yeah, see just in the in the in the 0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:18.040 in the sake of fairness, what you are the guy 0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:19.760 Dan who told Ray. 0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:22.320 Allen he was shooting the ball wrong to his face. 0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:22.720 To his face? 0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:24.520 You did you did say you know you're. 0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:25.040 Doing that wrong? 0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:26.000 First to his face? 0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:30.919 First of all, what was the actual tweet? 0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:31.800 What was actually was? 0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:33.320 It was the tweet she can't. 0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:35.320 Shoot, no, or you talk about her form? 0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:38.880 She was shooting the ball from the less side. Kevin 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:41.359 Durant does, and it's a no he does not. The 0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:45.040 end well not in the end, right Okay, but she wasn't. 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:47.680 She has. 0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:50.720 She had a little Lonzo ball and she since adjusted it. 0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:53.239 And the point of the tweet was, it's amazing how 0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:56.879 much work she's put in to shoot through a shooting flaw. Okay, 0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:59.480 to shoot through a shooting flaw. Where like Klay Thompson like, 0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:01.399 that's how you're supposed to shoot a basketball. That looks 0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:03.399 like the picture of how every person is supposed to 0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:07.080 the basketball. There's no Reggie Aloisius Miller, you know shot 0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:07.960 the ball with two hands. 0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:10.200 It's not but he shot through a flaw. 0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:12.840 It actually shows he has greater work ethic and confidence 0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:14.959 because no matter what how you're supposed to do it, 0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:17.200 he did it so often and with so much confidence 0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:18.560 he can make it in. 0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:19.040 Spite of it. 0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:21.439 Okay, but if you watch Caitlin Clark's form, now, take 0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:23.560 a snapshot of it, take a snapshot of it last 0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:26.520 year when she was heading into the WNBA. She's changed 0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:28.520 and fixed her shot. People don't want to hear it 0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:30.600 because I was a bad shooter in college. My issue 0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:33.840 was one, I was a HEINZ fifty seven guy, so 0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:37.760 many people making suggestions that was constantly moving around, and 0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:40.800 two it became a self confidence thing. But if I 0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:43.200 couldn't physically shoot a basketball, I've been wouldn't have been 0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:45.720 recruited by the number of schools that was recruited by 0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:48.600 The shooting issues didn't stop us from winning. 0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:50.120 And oh yeah, by the. 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:53.360 Way, they didn't actually occur in terms of fundamental flaws. 0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:58.240 But look, if my c out there, that's my job. 0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:01.120 Oh it doesn't sho It wasn't. 0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:02.960 As the head coach. That was when I'm just a 0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:06.000 radio host and basketball analyst. Go check the time stamp 0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:06.280 on it. 0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:09.080 Give me the time stamp on that. Okay, that was 0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:09.520 That was. 0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:12.040 That was before I became the head basketball coach at 0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:14.440 Green Bay, And since I've become the head basketball coach, 0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:15.800 we talk about the same thing. 0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:16.640 We talked about. 0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:19.400 Do we do we fix a guy's shot and change 0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:21.760 his form, which you have to strip it back down 0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:24.120 and then build it back up. 0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:27.560 Yeah, I think may first, what day did I get 0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:27.840 the job? 0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:28.080 Dan? 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:29.640 Thank you? 0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:32.680 So what was my job at the time that I 0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:33.760 made the tweet? 0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:36.400 Your job was to be a radio host. 0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:39.400 And college basketball analyst? And oh yeah, by the way, 0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:42.160 like this is the amazing thing about me. Whether I 0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:44.560 like it or don't like it. The reality is that 0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:49.280 I do have this unique ability to draw reaction, to 0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:53.280 draw reaction. You do, Okay, you do, so, okay, I 0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:56.360 just I stand by my analysis of a shot. Okay, 0:29:56.480 --> 0:30:00.240 her three point numbers had gone down when she was 0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.760 at Iowa, and they were lower when she was in 0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.880 the WNBA, And by my assessment, it was because she 0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:08.160 was so good she was getting guard further and further 0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:12.440 out and she was shooting further and further out. Yet No, 0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:14.680 but you do know who her boyfriend is, right, Yeah, 0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:19.320 Connor McCaffrey. Okay, do you know Connor McCaffrey's dad is Okay, 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:21.160 you know he recruited me a Notre dame. He's like 0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:23.080 a second father to me, is a mentor to me. 0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:25.280 So yeah, like I'm, I'm. 0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:25.680 We're good. 0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:27.560 It's not like Kaitlin Clark's going around. She's not like 0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:29.920 Lebron James or she's so insecure that she wants to. 0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:33.640 Tweet at me, right that that should help you today. 0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:36.000 Well, it's the reality of it, Like, why are you 0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:37.560 tweeting about me on your day off? 0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:44.520 Right? He's Doug Gottlieb. He guarantees at least thirteen wins 0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:45.360 or something like that. 0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:48.920 Hold on, can I I know you got to go on? Yeah? 0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:53.440 Uh, you guys were awesome last night. I mean, let's 0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:55.280 be honest, Frank was really awesome last night. He carried, 0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:59.200 He carried the thing. But I truly appreciate not. 0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:01.480 Just she coming to in how to be stocked in 0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:02.240 to Malone. 0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:06.760 It's it's you should know this when you you assist somebody. 0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:07.280 That's what it was doing. 0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:09.360 You accompanied it was and you said he don't. 0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:10.800 He carried the show. That's worth. 0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:12.760 I was tweaking you the way that you always tweak me. 0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:15.480 He sometimes your words hurt dog. I was working your 0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:16.680 words hurt dog. 0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:20.080 I was working my way to make fun. I know 0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:21.000 you shots beautiful. 0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:23.720 Thank you couldn't guard a soul, but I never said 0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:24.120 I could. 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:26.280 That's right, you are who you can defend. 0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:29.720 Yes, But I mean, like, first of all, I think 0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:32.880 you see from the outpouring support from people you know 0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:36.400 here at the bar to when you're around town. It 0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:38.240 means a lot to people of Green Bay that you 0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:40.480 guys brought the show here by the show. 0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:42.400 And it means and. 0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:48.680 You know, Polly and Seaton and I we used to 0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:51.080 be right next to each other in a cubicle at ESPN, 0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.000 and I mean to go from there to where you 0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:57.320 guys are here and to still be honestly gracious with 0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:00.520 your time last night, I truly truly appreciate it. Look, 0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:02.880 I get it, like the numbers, the record wasn't good. 0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:04.600 We're gonna win, It's gonna be a lot of fun. 0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:08.320 But your just support of showing up is awesome, and 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:09.560 it's mentorship and friendship. 0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:10.400 I truly appreciate it. 0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:16.520 I appreciate that he's Doug Gottlieb feels like PAULI may 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:18.320 have written a little bit of what Doug. 0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:18.720 Just said there. 0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:20.080 I mean, I'm proud of myself. 0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:20.800 I was the feeling. 0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:23.920 I mean it had a tinge of sentiment there. 0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:27.080 He was amazing. Is the singing voice he brought down 0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:28.080 the hot No. 0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:31.920 He can't say Okay, I gotta go, Doug Gottlieb. 0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:34.720 Everybody be sure to catch the live edition of The 0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:38.080 Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am 0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:41.960 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAP. 0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:46.840 We did it. We made it to a Friday. Look 0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:50.560 at this crowd. They were here early this morning. I 0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:52.840 don't even know if they left Lambeau. I think they 0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:55.400 went right from the draft right over here, and we're 0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:58.040 glad to have him. By the way, it's a meat Friday, 0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:00.800 and yes we have Trager grills here with us. We 0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:04.880 got wings, flats, only cheese, kurds and brats. Who has 0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:10.160 it better than we do? No? Alright, I like it. 0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:13.800 Audience participation. We'll try that again. Who has it better 0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:14.320 than we do? 0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:17.800 I love it. 0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:22.360 So Out of the day brought to Bob Pennini America 0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:25.120 of the official trading cards of the program. Gang's here, 0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:28.200 Marvin's here, the king of comedy. Fritzie got a rhyme 0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:31.680 time coming up. Seaton's here, Paulie in the back room, guys, 0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:35.080 and we want to once again thank Miller Like drafts 0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.720 at the Draft, our friends at Miller like for fifty years, 0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:40.880 the top pick for beer lovers since nineteen seventy five. 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:43.920 It's the original light beer play the day, stat of 0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:46.880 the day, poll question, all of that forthcoming. We'll talk 0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:50.000 to Joe Thomas, Hall of Famer at Cleveland Browns. He'll 0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:53.000 join us coming up in about fifteen minutes. Lewis Riddick 0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:55.719 was working the draft for the Mothership. He'll stop by 0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:58.959 a little later on Rick Neuheisel, he'll join us as 0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:02.200 well on loan from CBE Sports, and maybe he'll bring 0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:05.160 his guitar to play a song for us eight seven 0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:07.120 to seven to three DP show. We say good morning. 0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:10.000 If you're watching on Peacock, thank you downloading the app. 0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:14.239 It's our streaming partner. A lot of things to dive into. Yesterday, 0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:17.440 late in the show, I'd gotten word that Jacksonville was 0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:19.560 going to make a move. I didn't know what the 0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:22.160 move was going to be, and I thought, if they're 0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:25.160 trading up, who are they trading up for, or if 0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:27.560 somebody is going to trade with them and they fall 0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:30.200 down a little bit in the draft, what's going to 0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:33.759 happen with Jacksonville. I thought the draft would start with Jacksonville. 0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:36.640 I guess you can say that the draft did start 0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:40.200 with Jacksonville because they went up and got the number 0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:43.200 two pick from the Cleveland Browns and they took Travis Hunter. 0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:47.080 Apparently they didn't have much contact with Travis Hunter prior 0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:50.480 to the draft, and I think he was surprised. But 0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:55.080 I give Jacksonville credit because you do have a quarterback, 0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:58.560 and now you've got a curiosity. They're a two way player. 0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:02.719 Your show, heyo, Tani of Ors. I'm still confused here 0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:06.560 because we had Daniel Jeremiah who worked the draft for 0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:08.919 NFL Network, and he joined us yesterday and he said 0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:12.280 it was one hundred percent, one hundred percent the Browns 0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:15.960 were taking Travis Hunter, and I'm thinking, okay, if they 0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:18.600 take Travis Hunter, and late in the show, I told 0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:21.440 you that I didn't think Shador Sanders was going in 0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:24.320 the first round. I had heard from somebody who said 0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:27.520 that they didn't think that. A scout said they didn't 0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:29.520 think that he was going in the first round. Now 0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:31.840 what I thought was, if he doesn't go in the 0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:35.560 first round, Cleveland has the first pick today, So you 0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:38.640 could take Shador Sanders today, You could have taken Travis 0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:42.879 Hunter yesterday, and then you reunite them. To me, that 0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:48.759 gives Cleveland some gravitas something umph you. I mean, Joe 0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:52.360 Flacco's my age and he's quarterbacking the Cleveland Browns. Actually 0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:53.279 he's a year younger than me. 0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:53.719 Got it. 0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:56.960 But you got Miles Garrett. I mean, what else do 0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:59.759 you have here? You could have had an identity overnight 0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:03.279 with Travis Hunter and then Shaudor Sanders and I think 0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:06.719 Cleveland's probably taking Shador Sanders with that first pick in 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:09.000 the second round. So there were a lot of things 0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:12.520 yesterday and I'm watching the draft, and you would never 0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:14.960 get the feeling that cam Ward was the number one 0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:20.640 overall pick because while he's being selected, the Mothership and 0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:23.839 NFL network went all in on the trade at number two. 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:26.600 So cam Ward was an he might be one of 0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:30.839 those five ten years from now will be like Travis Hunter. 0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:32.839 Did he go number one? No, he went number two? 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:34.120 Who went number one? 0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:39.719 Uh? No, cam War. That's right, cam Warn. 0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:43.279 Because it and it felt like the I guess the 0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:47.560 best player, most notable player was Travis Hunter. The second 0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:51.640 most notable player was Shaudor Sanders. Those were the two 0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:53.920 guys who were talked about the most. Shaudor for not 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:58.360 being drafted, got a lot of airtime, and he talked 0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:01.120 about not being selected in the first round. 0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:05.160 We all didn't expect this, of course, but I feel 0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:09.279 like with God, anything possible, everything possible. I don't feel 0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:13.279 that just happened, you know, for no reason. All this 0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:16.640 is is of course fields to the fire, and under 0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:19.480 no circumstance. We all know this sin that happened, but 0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:23.120 we understand we own the bigger and better things. Tomorrow's 0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:25.680 the day we're gonna be happy in regardless. 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:27.640 Doesn't there all right? 0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:28.480 All right? 0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:34.680 Did you see his draft room? He's got legendary like, 0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:38.799 he's got legendary all over. It's as if that's his wallpaper. 0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:43.960 It says legendary all over his room, all over everywhere. 0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:47.880 They got legendary wallpaper there. You know, he got humbled yesterday. 0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:48.640 He did. 0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:51.560 And if you'll go back to when we had Dion 0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:54.200 on when we were at the Super Bowl, it was like, 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:58.040 are you telling teams to not draft your your son? 0:37:58.160 --> 0:37:59.279 And I mean there was a. 0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:01.839 Whole big deal about he's not going to go play 0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:04.239 for those teams and is he going to pull an 0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:04.960 Eli Manning? 0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:06.720 But he got humbled. 0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:09.920 Although DraftKings just gave me the odds here, and the 0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:13.440 team that has the best odds to draft shudor Sanders 0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:18.040 is the Cleveland Browns. Now the Raiders are second, and 0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:23.040 then you have the Saints Steelers a distant fourth, tied 0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:24.720 with the Jets and the Rams. 0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:28.000 There, Yes, Todd, to what extent was that arrogance, brash 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:30.000 rumor thing you think a factor in him not going 0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:32.279 to pick in the first round versus that these teams just. 0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:34.759 Didn't want him in round one? What do you think. 0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:37.080 I think it did have a little bit of a factor. 0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:38.600 I think there were a few teams that were considering him, 0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:40.680 and that might have been the deciding factor. If they 0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:42.600 thought he had some kind of arrogance to him, that 0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:44.920 he might not be good in the locker room, then 0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:46.719 just you know what, let's move on to somebody else. 0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:48.440 I don't know, I haven't heard anything. 0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:51.160 I know that, you know, we've had these anonymous gms 0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:53.560 or you know, scouts who have said that about him. 0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:55.839 I was just told he didn't have a first round 0:38:55.840 --> 0:39:00.240 grade late yesterday in the show. Scout said I don't 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:03.439 have a first round grade and he didn't waiver off 0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:06.320 of this. This is also the same person who said 0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:08.839 that he thinks a lot of the guys who do 0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:12.680 mock drafts were worried about, in his words, the smoke 0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:15.880 from not putting Shador Sanders in the first round, getting 0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:19.920 that smoke from Dion And I think that maybe people 0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:22.680 put him in there because, well, it's going to drive 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:25.080 traffic to your mock draft if you don't have Shador 0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:25.880 in the first round. 0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:27.960 You know, we're in the entertainment business. 0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:30.440 Now, whether that's true or not, this is from a 0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:33.640 scout saying that he thinks a lot of the guys 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:36.160 who do mock drafts put him in there just out 0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:37.759 of respect for Dion Sanders. 0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:38.200 Now. 0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:40.839 I said this before on the show. I had him 0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:44.320 third on my Heisman ballot. I had ash him genty, 0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:46.920 I had Travis Hunter, and then I had Shador. I 0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:49.600 thought that much of him. The one thing that kept 0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:53.320 coming back that I kept hearing was when you play 0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:57.320 in the NFL, you process so much quicker. And that's 0:39:57.320 --> 0:39:59.520 going to be a challenge for him and cam Ward 0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:03.200 and Jack Dart, whoever it is. You know, a lot 0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:05.520 of these guys play in a system that is really 0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:09.080 catered to making a lot of plays, completing a lot 0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:13.000 of passes. Chadoor was taken a lot of punishment. But 0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:15.680 you know, my friend who's the scout, said he holds 0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:18.680 onto the ball too long. Caleb Williams held on to 0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:20.800 the ball too long, and you saw what happened to 0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:23.960 him in his rookie year. Can Shador play in the NFL? 0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:26.640 I believe that. Do I think he's a star? I don't, 0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:30.000 but I had great respect for what he did at Colorado. 0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:34.040 And if I'm Cleveland and I've got Joe Flacco as 0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:39.279 my quarterback and Deshaun Watson somewhere in the building, I 0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:42.440 probably would have gone all in on Travis Hunter. I've 0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:45.479 got something unique, I've got something that somebody will tune 0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:49.960 in to watch. We're relevant, You're not. Now you know 0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:54.080 it's hey, let's tune in to watch Miles Garrett. Okay, 0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:57.680 you start with a quarterback or a skilled position guy. 0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:00.239 And if I got Travis Hunter and I take sit door, 0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:03.800 Sanders all rolled the dice on Shador's the second second 0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:04.520 day draft pick. 0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:07.960 Yeah, Shadur has that thing where he's a star, but 0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:11.160 maybe not a star player at that level. Right, he 0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:14.000 gets the attention, he's got a certain amount of charisma 0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:16.520 and and all of those things that you want a little. 0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:20.239 Flash for a superstar. Just the question is will it 0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:21.359 be a star player? Right? 0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:24.440 Well, how many times do we say this, like somebody's 0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:26.919 famous but we don't know what they're famous for. 0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:28.920 Yeah, you're famous for being famous? 0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:33.120 Yeah yeah, yeah. Like Anna Kornikova, the tennis player good poll. Yeah, 0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:37.040 like she was famous, but she wasn't a great tennis player. 0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:40.319 So Shadur is the ann I don't know. I don't 0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:42.279 want to do it sounds like it does it sounds 0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:45.240 I'm going to retrack that. I don't want it taken 0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:47.239 out of contest. 0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:50.400 Yes, do you think what happened yesterday is that the 0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:53.520 Browns were all set and then someone got drunk and overpaid. 0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:58.320 Well, I don't I don't know if they actually got drunk, 0:41:58.440 --> 0:41:59.719 but they gave up. 0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:01.399 The fifth pick, the thirty six pick. 0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:03.640 Jacksonville they give it one hundred and thirty six pick 0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:06.160 and a first rounder next year, which should. 0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:07.560 Be in the top fifteen. 0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:10.520 It's a lot. 0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:13.120 If you're doing that, it feels like you're doing that 0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:15.520 because you're getting somebody who puts you over the top. 0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:18.839 I thought Jacksonville was going to win their division last year. 0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:22.239 I don't know if they have a star quarterback. I 0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:24.239 don't know if they have a franchise quarterback. He gets 0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:30.680 paid to be a franchise quarterback. But and plus, how 0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:34.799 am I using Travis Hunter? Can I use him the 0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:38.440 entire game? Is it going to be more offense than defense? 0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:42.239 And this is what Daniel Jeremiah said that you had 0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:45.279 Travis Hunter who was going to major in offense, in 0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:49.040 minor in defense, and it felt like, by all accounts, 0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:51.520 he could walk in day one and be a Pro 0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:56.640 Bowl cornerback and maybe not the same as a wide receiver. Seaton, 0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:58.800 what's the poll question for the first hour of the program? 0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:02.000 We might as well start with that story right there? 0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:04.800 Long term? Who made the better move? Jaguars or Browns? 0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:12.040 M okay, all right, what else do you have? Well? 0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:14.360 I don't know if this one is fair, so I 0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:17.240 guess I might as well ask it on air. Shador 0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:21.239 Sanders fell because ability or attitude. 0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:24.760 I'm gonna say ability. 0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:26.959 I could also throw in another option there that says 0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:32.280 his dad. But wow, all of these feels really unfair. 0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:34.240 Probably not getting Dion on today? 0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:35.640 Are we probably on? 0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:37.560 Did you reach out Todd to Dion? 0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:38.040 I had? 0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:44.680 Okay, yeah, probably not getting him on today. This is 0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:47.600 I'm waiting for a we're keeping receipts. I'm waiting for 0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:49.520 that from Dion. Yes, Paul, I. 0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:51.879 Can't remember a draft in the last ten years where 0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:54.719 the analysts were so different. Mel Kiper was pounding the 0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:57.719 table literally, going, this is a huge mistake by about 0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:01.200 six or seven teams. A couple of like serious analysts 0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:03.440 last night on the two different networks, we're saying, I 0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:07.600 have Shador as my top three picks overall, top quarterback. 0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:07.719 Hands down. 0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:11.520 He's risk free, he's a competitor, you know that. Don't 0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:14.320 worry about measurables. It's it's drastically different the opinions. 0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:17.520 That's what amazes me. And then to have somebody who 0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:20.399 I trust say that he didn't have a first round 0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:24.600 grade for Shador. You're watching the same player play in 0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:28.480 the same games against the same competition that everybody else is. 0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:30.799 But you come away and I always use it as 0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:33.279 when you go into a museum and you go look 0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:35.320 at that, and then somebody will. 0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:36.279 Say what is that? 0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:40.120 Or wow, look like if you've ever looked at a 0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:43.719 Jackson Paullock painting, and then you go, who spilled all 0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:48.040 this paint? Or it's man, that's a genius there, or 0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:52.080 a roth go where you go that couple of million dollars, 0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:54.960 you know, So that kind of the way you look 0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:59.600 at sometimes these quarterbacks. Ashton Genty, I think we attached 0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:01.920 him to the Raiders a couple of months ago. I 0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:04.640 like what they're doing, but you got to keep pace 0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:09.040 in the West Kansas City's good. Chargers got another running back. 0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:12.520 You know they're gonna be good. Denver was a playoff team. 0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:15.560 I like what the Raiders did. We said this with 0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:19.520 Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll's not there to build the Raiders. 0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:22.040 He's there to win with the Raiders. And that's why 0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:25.719 you get Gino, who can play. He's a good quarterback. 0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:29.440 I got Brock Bowers, who's awesome. Now I get a 0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:31.840 great running back, and I got Max Crosby. 0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:33.520 I at least have something. 0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:35.920 I always look at some of these teams and you go, 0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:40.120 you know, coming up on Sunday night football, and then 0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:41.960 all of a sudden, you know, you go to the 0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:44.719 Steelers and it's Cam Hayward and you go, oh, that's 0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:47.319 not a good thing. You have to have somebody that 0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:49.640 you go, oh, yeah, we're going to tune in and 0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:50.479 watch that guy. 0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:53.040 Well, the Raiders have those guys. Yeah. 0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:57.440 When you look at Travis Hunter, right, I keep seeing 0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:00.520 a lot of the question marks about him as a cornerback. 0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:04.040 Everybody seems to be like he's polished, he's ready to go. 0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:06.200 There seems to be way more questions of him as 0:46:06.239 --> 0:46:08.960 a wide receiver. But that almost all of the like 0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:10.960 you were just saying about Daniels Ermia. It's like, well, 0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:13.360 he's going to major in offense and minor and defense. 0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:14.560 Doesn't that feel reversed? 0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:18.359 Yes, yeah, I was surprised at that because I think 0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:21.759 he just and also, but look at the pay if 0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:24.799 you look at what receivers get and what dbs get. 0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:28.960 I mean, if I'm if I'm Travis Hunter, I'm going 0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:31.520 I think I'd like to play offense. I think they 0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:34.719 pay a little bit or over there. But he's a 0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:37.759 unicorn here. Is he going to get the Is he 0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:40.120 going to get numbers as a wide receiver if he's 0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:43.319 splitting time? And Drew Brees said this yesterday. He's like, 0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:46.879 I don't want my star receiver playing defense. I don't 0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:50.200 want that. Like the odds of getting injured. Everybody gets 0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:54.359 injured if I add an extra forty plays, so I've 0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:57.480 already increased the odds that my star player is going 0:46:57.520 --> 0:46:58.480 to eventually get hurt. 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:03.200 Yes, there's always that old saying that I heard once 0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:06.719 about or many times about if you have two quarterbacks, 0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:08.879 you don't have one. Kind of feel the same way 0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:11.480 about that about Travis Hunt. If you have two positions, 0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:15.160 then you probably don't have one which is the one 0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:16.560 that you're going to be great at, and then if 0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:18.560 you're going to start doing the other one, it's taking 0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:20.319 away from how good you could be at the other. 0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:24.799 Do you think the Cleveland Browns made a good decision yesterday? 0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:29.480 I feel like maybe, so you're on the clock. 0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:32.400 Cam Ward's gone. Now you're on the clock. Jacksonville calls 0:47:32.440 --> 0:47:35.879 and says, here you go. How would you have done? 0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:38.160 I think that by taking him you win the day. 0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:39.920 But I don't know that. I feel like it's a 0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:42.120 little bit of a trap. Okay, I do. I feel 0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:44.000 like it's a little I think he's a great kid. 0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:45.040 I hope he does really really well. 0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:46.440 I feel like it's a little bit of a trap 0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:50.240 because he's he's very clear about I'm playing both positions here, 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:53.480 and almost everybody universally is like, but you can't. 0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:55.120 Marvin, you're on the clock. 0:47:58.360 --> 0:47:59.719 If I'm Cleveland, I'm keeping my pick. 0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:03.959 So you're gonna you're gonna keep Travis Hunter. I am okay, Todd, 0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:05.480 you're on the clonk taking Travis Hunter. 0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:08.640 Paul, I'm trading. I don't want to be micromanaged and. 0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:11.239 Critiqued by how I use this player both sides of 0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:14.560 the ball. If you have an offensive set where he's 0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:16.319 not on the field for some reason and you thrown 0:48:16.320 --> 0:48:17.680 in completion, what are you doing? 0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:18.920 What are you doing? Every week? 0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:22.719 But I want to be talked about Cleveland's not gonna 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:23.360 be talked about. 0:48:24.120 --> 0:48:25.000 You're not relevant. 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:27.920 It's close with me, Like I if you take him 0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:31.080 man his first five years, he's probably gonna be awesome 0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:32.000 and play both ways. 0:48:32.040 --> 0:48:34.360 But my bet is in five years he's at one position. 0:48:34.480 --> 0:48:37.560 All I need him is for five years, yes, king contract, 0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:39.440 Like I need to be relevant. I gotta get out 0:48:39.480 --> 0:48:43.360 from underneath Deshaun Watson's deal. We eventually find our quarterback. 0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:45.800 I would have had Travis, I would have had Shudor 0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:48.400 And now all of a sudden we are relevant. 0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:50.720 Yeah see, but you also have to give him time 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:52.920 to get up to speed. Right, so you're gonna have 0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:55.759 to survive that first half of the season. Say where 0:48:55.800 --> 0:48:58.399 it's like, all right, is this working or isn't it right? 0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:01.279 Yeah, but you're not making the playoff, so you do 0:49:01.440 --> 0:49:05.480 have that leeway. It's like, okay, so what but people 0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:08.200 will tune in to watch the Browns, Yes, Martin. 0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:12.480 All right, So if he's just great at one position 0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:15.799 in margin with the other. Is he considered a bust 0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:20.120 because the thing about him was he's a unicorn he 0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:21.239 plays both sides of the ball. 0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:26.480 Well, Otani's not a great pitcher. He's a good pitcher. 0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:31.040 If he doesn't pitch again, nobody's going to say he's 0:49:31.080 --> 0:49:31.440 a bust. 0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:34.920 Yeah, pol I think the cop to Otani is exact. 0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:37.680 It's not even like forced. When Otani decided to come 0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:40.640 to American and play MLB, he told teams, I'm playing 0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:44.360 both ways. A number of teams passed on him. They passed, 0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:46.360 and one of the teams that said, will embrace it 0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:49.400 because the Angels needed relevancy and needed star power, and 0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:51.680 they said, yes, did they keep him? No, But they're 0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:53.200 one of the few teams that said, you can play 0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:53.960 both ways for us. 0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:56.680 Yes, Baseball as well also one of those games that 0:49:56.719 --> 0:50:00.680 you can go innings without having to do anything. You know, 0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:02.560 you might not see a single ball at right field, 0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:05.319 and you might not bat for this inning, next inning 0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:07.200 and the whatever, and so you actually do nothing. Playing 0:50:07.239 --> 0:50:10.399 both ways in baseball, or doing both positions is way 0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:12.400 easier than in the NFL. 0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:12.759 All right,