1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: If y'all did not have a chance to listen to 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: last week's episode with Lisa Valentino, Alison Foye's sister, you 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: need to go back and listen because she lays the 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: groundwork beautifully for the victimology in this case. That's gonna 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: be imperative for you to listen to and kind of 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: catch up a little bit so that what we're listening 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: to today with Monica and Lisa both is gonna make 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: more sense to you. So in the last episode, we 9 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: talked about the case of Alison Foyd, who was last 10 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: seen alive on July two thousand and six at Junction 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: Pub on Carolina Beach Road in Wilmington, North Carolina. Her 12 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: remains were being discovered in a wooden area about three 13 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: miles away from the bar. In two thousand and eight, 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: she had been stabbed about forty times. There was only 15 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: one suspect in the case of Alice and foy the 16 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,839 Speaker 1: cab driver that picked her up from Junction Pub, Timothy 17 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: I and one. It is imperative when you are working 18 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 1: a cold case that you know what's already been done, 19 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: what's already been tried by somebody. You don't want to 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: just be on a conveyor belt, not going anywhere. You 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: want to make sure that you're not wasting anybody's time 22 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: or talents by doing something that's already been tried. In 23 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: this case, it was so important that I talked to 24 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: Monica Cason because Monica not only had insight on this case, 25 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: because she had her eyes and ears on the street hunting. 26 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: All right, y'all, I gotta tell you a little bit 27 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: more about this woman. It's not enough to say she 28 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: runs the Q Center. Y'all need to understand that the 29 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: Community United Effort see you E. The Q Center for 30 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: Missing Persons was found did by Monica Cason in Wilmington, 31 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: North Carolina, in nine Since then, she has advocated for 32 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: finding missing persons. She has helped over twelve thousand families 33 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: in the most difficult, confusing, and desperate times of their life. 34 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: Monica again was the founder. She started the whole thing, 35 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: and she decided that she would only have a volunteers 36 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: on her staff. Everybody volunteers their time and talent that 37 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: works for the Q Center. That's an amazing organization and 38 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: that is something that I think we can all applaud. 39 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: And the really unique thing and this is one of 40 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: those situations where time and matters and there's just no accidents. Sometimes, 41 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: I mean sometimes it's right in your face when a 42 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: miracle is just presented. So here Lisa is in Wilmington's. 43 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: She doesn't know anybody, her sister had just moved there, 44 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: and she's just desperate. She's staying at a hotel and 45 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: a person that works there finds out why they're staying 46 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: there and what they're in town to do, which is 47 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: find her missing sister. And the hotel worker says to Lisa, 48 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: you need to call this woman Monica Cason. She's local 49 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: and that's what she does, is search for missing people. 50 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: And in that small act of kindness started not only 51 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: the recovery of Alison, but it also started, and you 52 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: will hear it a bond of friendship between Lisa and Monica, 53 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: and Monica has been a part of Lisa's team from 54 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: almost the very beginning. In a day or two, Monica 55 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: was able to take them around town, show them the 56 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: layout of Wilmington's, make them understand what the police were 57 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: doing and what they were not doing, and why she 58 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: went with Lisa to the body disposal site. She went 59 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: with her to the police department, she went with her 60 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: on searches. She knows by name people that help others 61 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: because of their loss. So again, we need to hear 62 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: from Monica because she knows things on this case that 63 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: the d A doesn't that the police they're not aware of. 64 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: She's done things on her own. They can shed some 65 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: white on this investigation. Lisa, I think it is time 66 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: for you and I to bring Monica Cason into this conversation. 67 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: And Monica, before you even say one word, I've just 68 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: got a few things I need to say because I 69 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: want my listeners to know Monica is exactly who she 70 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: is all the time, no matter if she is at 71 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: a search with her dogs or if she's at the 72 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: governor's matching, She's the same person. And she doesn't need 73 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: a whole lot of fanfare. She doesn't need a whole 74 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: lot of praise. I can literally send this woman a 75 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: page thanking her for doing this and doing that, and 76 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: how much I appreciate her and all the good work 77 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: she's done. She's just extraordinary and I'll get back okay, 78 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: and I love her for that. But I just want 79 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: y'all to know that before she starts talking, because if 80 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: I try to really compliment her. She's not about that, 81 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: She's about the work that she does and that she's 82 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: been called to do. But Monica, welcome his own seven 83 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: and I just appreciate you being here. Tell us about 84 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,679 Speaker 1: the Q Center, how you started it, what's it all about, 85 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: and how can people find you to help you out 86 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: if they have some extra holiday money they want to 87 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: do something good with. Well. We were founded in nineteen 88 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: to basically be a liaison and between communities, family and 89 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: law enforcements when it concerns a missing person. In addition, 90 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: we advocate for the victims and the families that are 91 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: left behind to endure this horrible nightmare, whether it be 92 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: for two days, two years, or more, and we actively suffer. 93 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: So we we have networked and built resources over the 94 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: many years, and we try to show up, you know, 95 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: and we try to be there. Just not a post 96 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: or in a phone call kind of thing, but we 97 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: we try to be there, you know, until the end, 98 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: and even sometimes past that. I just felt there was 99 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: a need I saw firsthand, and I saw the need 100 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: of these families that go home, they're told to go 101 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: home and wait by the phone kind of thing, and 102 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: they were desperate to do something, but they didn't know 103 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: what to do. So we're that direction when we just 104 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: try to be there too, you know, answer to call 105 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: for help as many times as we come a year. 106 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: There are so many missing people, you know, over six 107 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: hundred thousand nationwide, and you know, I feel like ours 108 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: is just a small fraction. But we work candonand with 109 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: all of our victims, we know they're other extended family members, 110 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: we know the situations. We try to help wherever we can, 111 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: and you know, and that's pretty much just sums us 112 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: up in in a statement there. I mean, we just 113 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: try to advocate and search. Over the years, I have 114 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: found out no matter what you do for a family, 115 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: the one thing they all want is someone to search, 116 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: someone to get out there and look. And I don't 117 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: ever want a family to have to find their own 118 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: loved one, because they have and they get so desperate 119 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: for help. So we want to be that help. And 120 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: and even sometimes when we can't get there immediately and 121 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: we know that family is in desperate need, will even 122 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: send other people to get there quicker. So that's pretty 123 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: much who we are. We're a nonprofit. No one receives 124 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: a paycheck. I have tremendous dedicated, wonderful, sacrificing volunteers. Constantly, 125 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: My state directors are search volunteers, are regular volunteers, and 126 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: you know, we just constantly build on that so people 127 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: can always, you know, volunteer do something, even if it's 128 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: one time a year doing something that someone else won't 129 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: have to do. And you know, and that's pretty much it. 130 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: People like, oh, I don't want to commit I gotta 131 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: be everywhere. You don't have to be everywhere all the time. 132 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: You know, you just have to be there and show 133 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: up when it's needed and when you can, because that's 134 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: what volunteering is about, is when you can fit it 135 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: into your schedule. I just have this conversation the other 136 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: day with somebody. I have one girl that comes once 137 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: a month and gives me, you know, six full hours 138 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: of her time. But what she does in that six hours, 139 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: it takes away about four days of work, you know, 140 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: for the average volunteer that comes in. So I don't 141 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: care what your limitations are. There's something we can find 142 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: for you to do, and we just encourage you to volunteer. 143 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: And and you know, with the new year coming up, 144 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: that's when people are doing resolutions. You know, I encourage 145 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: you to get out and do something, even if it's 146 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: not with us, do something within your community, because everyone 147 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: is desperately in need of volunteers. Now you are no 148 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: stranger to searches and work in canines. Do you have 149 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: any idea how many searches you have been on anything? 150 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: Suh this month? No? I it was funny because I 151 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: was we were talking one day and I was like, 152 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: when I first started, I started a scrap book, you know, 153 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna you know, I probably six or seven 154 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: months into that scrap book that was aborted, and I 155 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: never looked back because it's just too much. I mean, 156 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: it's hard enough keeping up with your dog training records 157 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: and you're where your dogs are going and stuff. And 158 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: I probably could go back and even count that out. 159 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: But even before I had dogs, I mean, we were 160 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: on searches, you know, all the time. And and now 161 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: we've grown so much with our state outreach coordinators that 162 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,599 Speaker 1: we could have three or four searches going on in 163 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: in one day around the nation, you know. So no, 164 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: I can't. If I had time to count that, then 165 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: I would have too much time on my hands. Well, 166 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: it's it's the truth, I mean, because you know, we study, 167 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 1: you know, we just keep going forward and try to 168 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: do what we can. And you know, I don't. I 169 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: don't count the searches. You know, some people count per 170 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,359 Speaker 1: day of search and it would be in the millions, 171 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: but we count like I could be there sixteen days 172 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: digging a hole and that's one search for me, and 173 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, everybody else is like, oh, that would be 174 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: sixteen days of search, and I said, well, it is 175 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: sixteen days of searches, but I never wept, so it's 176 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: one search. So it's still that one search. So I 177 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: don't know. That's that's that's where we're at. No. I 178 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: feel the same way people ask me, you know, how 179 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: many cases have you worked? Don't? I have no idea. 180 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: I wouldn't even know how to seven start counting. But 181 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: let me ask you this, when you first met with Lisa, 182 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: did you have a plan in your head or were 183 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: you just let's get out there and go and start 184 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: where we need to start. Be truthful, Yes, I had 185 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: a plan in my hand, by had, and but I didn't. 186 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: I didn't like Lisa when I first met her. I 187 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: was like, oh boy, you know, we got this yankee 188 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: going on, you know, and she you know, we got 189 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: all the answers, but yet yet I'm the one called. 190 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: But in the first few days we were right around 191 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: and whatnot. It was like, I don't know how to say. 192 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: It was hard because I used to getting out on 193 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: the street and being able to stop and talk to prostuts. 194 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: They're like, oh, don't get out, and I just jumped 195 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: out of the car and leave them go out on 196 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: the block and pick me up. So it was kind of, 197 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 1: you know, it was tough, but you know, they needed 198 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: something to do, so it's like, okay, you can ride around, 199 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: but turn right here and just let me off at 200 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: the corner and go on and come back and get me. 201 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: And and it was a lot of that, but you know, 202 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: just trying to get out. And I determined in the 203 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: first few days of just riding around and doing that 204 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: and giving posters and going to like gangbanger's houses and 205 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 1: you know, drug dealer houses and all this, that the 206 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: shoe right out on that street. Monica herself has some 207 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: confidential informants that she goes to these street wise people 208 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: and says, hey, have you seen this woman and shows 209 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,239 Speaker 1: them a picture of Alice and Foy. She takes them 210 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: and shows them the layout of Wilmingtons. She takes them 211 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: to the rough parts the seed your side, and everybody 212 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: on the street says, we hadn't seen her. Well, that 213 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: tells Monica a lot about this case. It also tells 214 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: her a lot about where Alison might be and the 215 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: harm that potentially came to her. Monica takes leasing them 216 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: and helps them get missing person's posters not just made, 217 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: but put up everywhere She stays with the family, and 218 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: it's basically a liaison between them and law enforcement. Her 219 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: help was invaluable. So Monica, you're out your boots on 220 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: the ground, You've got your contact, your sea eyes, whatever, 221 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: You're working with your people. Yeah, I mean you have to. 222 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: You have to trust the streets. I trust the streets 223 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: because these people I've earned their trust over the years 224 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: looking for missing people. I even had one lady from 225 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 1: a balcony one time when I was walking through the hood, 226 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: you know, and I heard some guys say, what is 227 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: she doing here? You know, she's the police, and she goes, 228 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: you better lead that girl alone. She just here looking 229 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: for some missinsured. And I giggled him to myself, like, 230 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: you know, because that's the truth. You know, they know 231 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: I'm not there to worry about what I see or 232 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: what else is going on. I'm just there looking for 233 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: somebody and looking for information. And you know, I've just 234 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 1: been successful and the information people have told me has 235 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: pretty much always panned out to be correct or lead 236 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: me in the right direction to get the answers I need. 237 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: In Alison's case in particular, I remember that we had 238 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: pulled up in a really rough area and I told 239 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: Lisa then just let me out, and it was out 240 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: of car wash, but there was a curtain over the 241 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: car wash and when you go in, it's like a bar, 242 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: and you know, it's got stalls for prostitution and things 243 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: like that so forth. And I was like, just go 244 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: around the block and pick me up. And there was 245 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: this big, you know, African American dude with dreadlogs stand there, 246 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: and you know, he brought me on in and sat 247 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: down and I you know, offered me a drink. I 248 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm just here to you know, talk 249 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: about this girl. And I said, there's rumors that you know, 250 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: she's over here. Da da da da da, And you know, 251 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: we talked for a few minutes and he poured herself 252 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: a drink and sat there and looked at me. Goes, 253 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: she ain't here, and I believe that. He says, she 254 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: ain't here. She ain't been here, he said. Now, we 255 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: some new girls come in the other night, he said, 256 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: But I'm tell you i'd remember her. I remember that face. 257 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: He goes, She's way older. So you know, I walked 258 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: down there, got back in the car and I'm like, yes, 259 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: she here. And then I went by a few other 260 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: people's houses and the same thing. You know, you guys, 261 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: stay in the car. I'll be back and talk to them. 262 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: Because there are people in the community that they know 263 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: what's going on in their neighborhood. They know I'm not 264 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: there to to, you know, get anybody a towards or 265 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: anything else. I'm just looking for this girl. And that 266 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: was my main goal was the first week, was to 267 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: determine is she really out here? All these rumors true? 268 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: What's going on? And I told me send them right 269 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: off the bat. You know, in the first few days, 270 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: I said, you're historian out here on these streets, I mean, 271 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: these streets would talk and I don't care what what 272 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: anybody else is telling you. You know, these people have 273 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: no reason to lie to me, and you're not out 274 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: to hurt anybody. And that trust that you have built 275 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: that is unwavering. And when you talk about human trafficking 276 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: or you talk about putting somebody out on the track, 277 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: they're not gonna do it two miles from her house. 278 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: She wouldn't have been there anyway. Now, everything lined up 279 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: right away, you know, I kind of my gut feeling 280 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: was she was definitely in trouble, you know, like this 281 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: was not anything she did on her own. This was 282 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: not something that got away from her, you know, as 283 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: far as her going out and losing track of time 284 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: or any of this other stuff. And the one thing 285 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: I remembered, at least, he kept saying that she would 286 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: not do this to her kids. She would not leave 287 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: her kids. She would not leave her kids. And that 288 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: stuck with me. And you know it was within a 289 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: few days I believe that, and I still believed it today. 290 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: You know, no question, no question. And you got to 291 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: listen to the families. You know, we as advocates in 292 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: law enforcement, whomever you come into these cases, you don't 293 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: know any of the back story as far as the 294 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: family dynamics or whatever. And yeah, you can learn them 295 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: as you go or what have you. But no one 296 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: knows this person best then the people that love this 297 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: person and shared their life with them. So who are 298 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: we to cast any kind of judgment or opinions or 299 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: even come in and say, oh, well, we heard this 300 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: and we heard that. You know, the families are gonna 301 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: know nine times out of ten, the families you know, 302 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: are right. I mean when I have a mother that 303 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: looks at a pond for two months straight and tells me, 304 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: I know the police are having you search everywhere else, 305 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: please search this pond, and then I recover her son 306 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: from that pond. Um. You know, It's like I remember 307 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: out searching the woods and glancing over and seeing her 308 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: stand there glazing or gay, whatever you call it, looking 309 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: at this pond, and I remember running my dog and 310 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: kind of looking over to the left and just seeing 311 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: her like, mmm, we gotta do that pond. That mom 312 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: has got that gut feeling. You know, you gotta listen 313 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: to them. And so I don't know, I just I 314 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: have lived my life as far as missing people to 315 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: try to listen to the families to make sure that 316 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, I can relate to that missing person. Other words, 317 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: this could be my daughter, this could be my sister, 318 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: this could be my mom, my dad, my grandfather, you know, 319 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,959 Speaker 1: and I honor that situation when I look for them, 320 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,239 Speaker 1: you know, at all times. And and that's what a 321 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: lot of people don't get. You gotta put yourself in 322 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: those shoes. They always say, distance yourself. I'm the other 323 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: way around. I've got to be in that to feel 324 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: that anger and that pain and that loss and all 325 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: that to get out there and get that drive to 326 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,959 Speaker 1: keep searching one more time. And we have a saying 327 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: sometime when we get to the end of the day 328 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: with the searchers and they're like, you know, does anybody 329 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: got any more in them? Can we push past the pain? 330 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: And everybody's everybody's always on board. We'll we'll push past 331 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: the pain. And and that's it. Like when you're just 332 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: you've searched for hours and hours and it's hot, it's cold, raining, whatever. 333 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: You know, you do that one more time, and you 334 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: have to believe that one more time might find that person. 335 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: And you've got to believe that from the pain and 336 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: agony you feel from that's generated from the emily that 337 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: goes into you when you're on that case. I feel 338 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 1: like you just gave a masterclass on missing persons and 339 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: had to search. That's the way I do it. I mean, 340 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: you know, everybody else can have their own methods, but 341 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: I want to be affected. You know, when we have 342 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: our Candilite Visual every year, you know, people are like, well, 343 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: it's such a sadist says it needs to be a 344 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: sad job. We're not out here celebrating birthdays. We're out 345 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: here celebrating memories, honoring memories. So it needs we need 346 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: somebody in that audience to you know, be affected, and 347 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: maybe it will change their life and they'll go do 348 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: good somewhere to help someone. Maybe they'll remember this day 349 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: a year from now when there's a missing kid and 350 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: people are calling for volunteers, or you know, maybe they'll 351 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: remember when they're passing somebody at Walmart trying to you know, 352 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: sell a raffle ticket so they can raise money to 353 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: go out and search for a total stranger. Maybe they'll 354 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: be kind and stopped him by two instead of one. 355 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: You know, I remember the first time I came to 356 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: the Candilight Visual that y'all were hosting Beautiful Spot right 357 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: on the water. I mean, it just unbelievably gorgeous and 358 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: all the lights and the street lamps. I mean, it 359 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: was just compelling to even be in that moment, hearing 360 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: all the speakers and everything. But my daughter, Caroline and 361 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: my son Hugged. They were very young at the time, 362 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: and they knew from just being at the conference for 363 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: a few days there were like four families they had met. 364 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: But that night at the vigil, you had a huge 365 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: display with all of these faces. Both of them were 366 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: so affected. Caroline started crying immediately, and hug was like, 367 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: you know, Mama, there're so many and I think, you 368 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: know again, the empathy, the understanding, the gut wrenching reality 369 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: of what each of these families is experiencing is important. 370 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: And I worked the same way people say you're not 371 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: supposed to go to crime seeing not feel something and 372 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: not get terry at yep. I remember I was looking 373 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: on you know, social media, and I saw one of 374 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: my cases where the mom had went back out to 375 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: put rap balloons around a telephone pole on a dirt road, 376 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: dead in the woods and whatnot, and seeing them, you know, 377 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: the daughter growing up year after year after year, and 378 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: it's been you know, almost ten years, and I still 379 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: got upset like and mad, you know, because it's like, 380 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: how dare these people rob these people of their loved one, 381 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: her daughter, if you will, And and here's the next 382 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: generation going out being taught this is what you do 383 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: to honor her. When I'm gone, I still need you 384 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: to come out to this daygone pole, you know, in 385 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: the middle of the woods. And that's all they know 386 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: about their mom, you know, And she's left with the 387 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: packaging of all, you know, her life, trying to survive 388 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: through that, plus missing her daughter, and it's just it's 389 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: just so unfair like that, you know, that's all she 390 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: has is this one place where she knows her daughter 391 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: was at, and it just it's, you know, forgive me, 392 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: but it just sucks, you know, And it's it's she's 393 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: one out of thousands that are on bridges or out 394 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: on boats or dirt roads and in the woods that 395 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: they would never go to, or in a parking lot 396 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: at a grocery store where these loved ones last left 397 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: some kind of trace of their self, because that's all 398 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: they have until they're found. And then when they're found, 399 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, you see crosses up all along the roads 400 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: and things, and it's just not drunk drivers this is 401 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: where a body was found. This is where a worker 402 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,479 Speaker 1: on the highway found someone someone's loved one, you know, 403 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: And and it's just it's just an open graveyard of 404 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: our world that these bodies have been found and not 405 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: been found or just out here, and it's just it's 406 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: insane to me that people can just go about their 407 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: day and not be affected by that. But let it 408 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: happen to them, and then they'll realize, you know, they 409 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: understand the impact then and the desperation that comes along 410 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: with that, you know, waiting and hoping, and you know, 411 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: it's like how many times do you hope this will 412 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: be the tip, this will be the search, this will 413 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: be the answer, And to only walk out of those 414 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: woods and have to look in the mother's eyes yet again, 415 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: and I couldn't even find her a bone, you know, 416 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: because now she's even grappled down to that part, like 417 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: I just want you to find a bone. They start 418 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: out with I want you to find them alive. I 419 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: want you to you know, they have all this hope, 420 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: and then it goes then they start the bargaining process. Okay, God, 421 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: just let them be found and I'll change my life forever. 422 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: And and then it's like, can we just find a 423 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: bone for DNA? I mean, it just sucks, this whole system, 424 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: and it just doesn't end. I mean times change, you know, 425 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: and you see everything changing, but missing people don't change 426 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: the same suffering, the same messages going on. And you know, yes, 427 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: we get better technology to solve cases and stuff, but 428 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: there's still an aftermath. You know. It's kind of like 429 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: a war zone that nobody sees. It's that aftermath. And 430 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: and I can stand in a grocery store line and 431 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: tell you how many victims are in that line that 432 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: have been through a murder, or have been through a rape, 433 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: or have been through a missing person or suffering a 434 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: missing person. Like it's all in their face, it's in 435 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,959 Speaker 1: their eyes. And it's just crazy to me that. You know, 436 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: we got on an airplane one time, me and Mark 437 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: and I said, oh my god, look at that woman. 438 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: And he's like what And I said, she's crying. He 439 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 1: goes Monica. Now everybody, I said, no, she's going to 440 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: a plane. They either found her daughter or she just 441 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: found out she's missing. She's tore up. And he goes Monica, 442 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: and you don't know everything. And he was giving me 443 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: the grief. And then as we the plane starts to 444 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: take off, she reaches down in a bag and gets 445 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: eight by ten frame photo out sitting there looking at 446 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: her daughter while she's the plane's taken off and she's bawling, 447 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: and her husband's patent on the back and I looked 448 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: at him and he goes, all right, all right, I'll 449 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: give you that one. Oh yeah. The frame photograph is 450 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: like the international symbol. It's going on constantly all around us. 451 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: And you know, you guys know that I mean. And 452 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: thank god we have better photographs today and better places 453 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: to house them, because back in the day, you know, 454 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: I've got cases where we had to they were so 455 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: poor they you know, and the kid just started school 456 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: and couldn't even didn't even have a photograph, the family photograph, 457 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: like they didn't have access to cameras and whatnot so 458 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: many years ago. And to sit down for four days 459 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: with the family to generate just a image of this 460 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: child so we could age progression, you know. And that's 461 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: just one of the things you'll try. But that's one 462 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: thing I want people to know about you and Lisa. 463 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: On Allison's case. Some of the things that have been tried. 464 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: I mean, Nancy Grace took this case up and put 465 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: it out there on the national level. Y'all have made 466 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: please for witnesses to come forward. And then I remember 467 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: talking to Lisa and saying, hey, have you heard of 468 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: the INVAT And she goes, no, what is that? So 469 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: Lisa and Monica went to the police department to watch 470 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: the INVAT in action. So they attended that training and 471 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: what they learned is the end that is this small 472 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: little machine and if you think in your mind and 473 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: a mini carpet cleaner, that's the way it kind of looks, 474 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: and that's the way it kind of operates. It is 475 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: a sterile wet vacuum and the impact its sprays the 476 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: solution onto whatever surface you're trying to get evidence from, 477 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: and at the same time the solution is being jetted out, 478 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: it's simultaneously being vacuumed right back up off that surface. 479 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: The solution kind of loosens the DNA and then the 480 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: vacuum sucks it up into this sterile bottle and then 481 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: it's transferred onto this filter. It's magnificent to watch, and 482 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: they've had great luck, not just on clothing and rope 483 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: and things like that, but they've gotten DNA off rock, 484 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: off bricks, off some unusual items. It is literally transformed 485 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: how we get DNA off of potential evidence. And the 486 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: next thing I know, there stands you and Lisa with 487 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: the Wilmington Police getting tray on the in fact, with 488 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: Jared Bradley. And that's the kind of thing I want 489 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: people to understand. Y'all are not just okay, that's interesting, 490 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: maybe we can try that. Y'all are action oriented people 491 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: and sometimes that's what it takes. And I told Lisa, 492 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: I said, look, it's a long shot because they were 493 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: in the elements for so long, but it's a shot. 494 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: And I said this to her then I believe it 495 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 1: now and I'm gonna repeat it. I do not know 496 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: why this horrible thing happened to her sister, but here's 497 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: what I do know. Because of that, Allison is going 498 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: to be able to help thousands of victims because Wilmington's 499 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: got that in that and now it's going to be 500 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: used on rape cases, homicide cases, aggravated assault cases, missing 501 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: persons cases where things are recovered, and Allison is the 502 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: reason that happened. That is very true. And I've said 503 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: the same thing to Lese I said, because of her death. 504 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: I said, you know, things will happen differently in cases, 505 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: whether it's an affected an investigator like, well, I don't 506 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: want to make that mistake again, or to technology or 507 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: to whatever. I mean, you know, when Alison's case started, 508 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: I mean I was the first thing. I was like, 509 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: we got to get her DNA into CODIS, you know, 510 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: just in case there's any remains found and whatnot. The 511 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: worst thing you want to do is wait until there's 512 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: a body found and then go to a family saying, ay, 513 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: you know, we need your DNA like it traumatized them 514 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,959 Speaker 1: even further. And I try to always tell investigators, you know, 515 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: once you're a couple of months into your case, if 516 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: you think at all that this person could possibly be deceased, 517 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: you need to go ahead and do the DNA and 518 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: get that from the family and stuff. And you know, 519 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: you just learned along the way. I remember when CODIS 520 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: first came out take a missing person cases in the 521 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: mid nineties, everybody was like, oh, you know, I'm not 522 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: giving my DNA and stuff, and I don't know. We 523 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: we just advocated and we did public events and I 524 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: teamed up with numerous different FBI of ants and stuff, 525 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: and you know, because it's like, look, this is a 526 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: step into technology, this is a step in the place 527 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: we need it, and it's solved. It has solved so 528 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: many cases of unidentified people. And now you've got the 529 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: genealogy stuff coming up and all this other stuff that's 530 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's just you've got to keep up with 531 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: the times as far as technology. But a lot of 532 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: these cases have never even afforded to be looked at 533 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 1: to get caught up to today's day. You know, at 534 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: least it was important for me to have you and 535 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: Monica owned together. Y'all have teamed up. Y'all have been 536 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: partners on this thing from the start, the two of 537 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: y'all or the reason I got involved. You know, I 538 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: don't think it can be overstated that because of your 539 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: work and your tenacity and just not given up and 540 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: not being afraid to knock on every door and kick 541 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: some in sugar, there are tools that are available now, 542 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: not just in Wilmington's but in North Carolina because of 543 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: you and because of Allison Charlte. I just want to 544 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: say too that I think that's one of the things 545 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: that you know, this this tragedy that's occurred in the 546 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: life of my family and really in the life of 547 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: my nieces. Their mom is is gone. I am proud 548 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: every day that I am with you and Monica, like 549 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: Allison's case is going to solve other cases and maybe 550 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: her death isn't isn't in vain. It's you know what 551 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: I mean that if it helps other people along the way, 552 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: then you know that that means something to me. For sure. 553 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: I can flat tell you it's not in vain. I 554 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: can flat tell you what's going to come from it. 555 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: It already has. I mean, there's no question about it. 556 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: When I saw that one picture that you sent me 557 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: with you and Monica there with law enforcement from Wilmington's 558 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: and Jared, I thought, there you are, and then they're 559 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: gonna be able to go out and say, wait a minute, 560 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: look what we've done here. Now the surrounding cities and 561 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: counties of Wilmington's know about it. So now you've got 562 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: a whole state that's affected. I'm telling you she did that, 563 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: and you know, I appreciate one thing. He's not the 564 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: chief of police anymore in Wilmington has retired. Ralph Evangelist, 565 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: But one thing he always said to me and every 566 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: time I saw him. You know, don't you ever stop? 567 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: And Monica said this too. It's the squeaky wheel that 568 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: gets soiled. He goes, and you're you're doing what you're 569 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: supposed to be doing. Agreed. Well, I just want to 570 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: say one thing. On a personal note, Monica, I'm gonna 571 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: talk directly to you for a second. I got a 572 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: call from a high school friend in a complete panic 573 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: because her nephew had gone missing in Tennessee and I 574 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: was the only person that she knew connected to law enforcement, 575 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: and she was literally begging for help. And I thought, 576 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I know tons of canine folks in Georgia, 577 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: but I just I didn't know what to do. And 578 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: then I was like, yes I do, and I called 579 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: you and I told you the little that I knew. 580 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 1: You know, where his car was found and the time frame. 581 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: You immediately contacted your folks and got them where they 582 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: needed to be in Tennessee. And of course it didn't 583 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: have the outcome that we prayed for, but the family 584 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: got answers quickly and that was necessary. And so again, 585 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's not something you won't out there. You 586 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: didn't want any posting about it. Or praise about it, 587 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: and that's just you. But for me to have somebody 588 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: like you to call, it's such a godsend. And I 589 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: just want people to know you didn't want any money. 590 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: You didn't want any medals or awards or anything. I've 591 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,479 Speaker 1: said it privately, but again publicly, I appreciate you, and 592 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: I thank you Monica, well, I appreciate that. And you know, 593 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: as far as our donors and stuff, you know, I 594 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: know it's important to put out there what your successes 595 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: are and things like that and and what people don't 596 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: even understand. Sometimes my board gets on me all time 597 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: and other people like we need to do this and 598 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: we need to It's like I don't have time, you know, 599 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: because when you're out searching for missing people, are answering 600 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: the call to families and whatnot, you just you're not 601 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: in the office. It's not like you know, you can 602 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: you constantly be available, you know, to do all of 603 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: this stuff. And that's why we need so many volunteers 604 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: because the office stuff is important and what have you. 605 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: But that's not where I want to be. I always said, 606 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: if I ever became a millionaire or had you know, 607 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: a huge donation, like I would hire somebody do that job, 608 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: so it would free me up, so I could just 609 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: live in the woods and go out and find these 610 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: people and spend more time in these communities to work 611 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: on these cases and stuff. I just I'm blessed with 612 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: so many different people that care and that are willing 613 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: to go with me. Even my husband said one time 614 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: on his birthday, he was we were trying to organize 615 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: a pig picking and and and I how to search 616 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: that weekend too. He goes, well, now nobody's going to 617 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: come to the pig picking because they're all gonna be 618 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: with you. And I said, well running, he goes, you know, 619 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: I don't understand. I can't even get forty people to 620 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: come for free to eat my food. He says, but 621 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: you can get two hundred people on a Saturday morning, 622 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: I go through the woods with you for for nothing. 623 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: And I said, well, I can bring them all over 624 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: to your pig picking and feed them when we're done. 625 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: You know. But it's the truth. You know, like these people, 626 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: they you know, they give up their time, leave their families, 627 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: their grandkids, They put off appointments. I mean, I've seen 628 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: it firsthand. You know, where I got a daughter's appointment, 629 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: but let me see if I can put it off 630 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: or what have you, just so they can go and 631 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: be there and and try to help bring some kind 632 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: of resolve, because that's the one thing they'll say, Well, 633 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: if we can get him home by Christmas, it would 634 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: be a bless in that family, or if we can 635 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: get him home by the birthday, or you know, let's 636 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: let's try to get this done quickly. And sadly, there's 637 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: not enough people like us or programs like us that 638 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: this to help all of the people at one time, 639 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: you know, and that's why so many cases fall to 640 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: the wayside, and lack of education and lack of training 641 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: for law enforcement, and lack of pay for law enforcement 642 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: to take it up, you know, because a lot of 643 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: their cold cases and cases that linger on are mainly 644 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: missing people and homicide. That's not you know, the robberies 645 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: or things like that. They're solving those, but it's these 646 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: kind of complicated cases that just need a little bit 647 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: more time and they're not always afforded to give it 648 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: because they're thrown back on other cases or you know, 649 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: they have a protocol to keep up with to to 650 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: solve cases, and and it's just it's sad. It's sad 651 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: the whole way around. But you know, in our little 652 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: part that we do and our successes, we definitely celebrate, 653 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, even though they're sad moments and a lot 654 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: of their body recoveries. We know we answered the call 655 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: for help and we completed our mission was to bring 656 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,720 Speaker 1: resolution and bring that person home one way or another. 657 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: Were executing our mission daily and we just have to, 658 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, stay focused on it. Well, y'all. Y'all listening 659 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: to some of the best wisdom from the goat the 660 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: greatest of all times. I mean, that's that's wisdom. I mean, 661 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: just soak it up. It's all I can do. You. 662 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: If you have any information on who murdered Alison Foy 663 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: and Angela Nobles Rothan, there's a tipline nine one O 664 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: three three six zero zero. Contact the Wilmington's Police Department 665 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: and let them know what you know. It doesn't matter 666 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: if it's a little thing and you don't think it's significant, 667 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,919 Speaker 1: Let them decide whether or not it's significant. You may 668 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: have the information that could crack this case wide open, y'all. 669 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna end Zone seven like I do always with 670 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,800 Speaker 1: a quote from someone from my Zone seven. This quote 671 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: comes from Carrie Rawson, the daughter of the b t 672 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: K killer. You might meet somebody on the worst day 673 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: of their life, stop help them, take care of them 674 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: people first. I don't think that could be truer than 675 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: on Allison's case. I appreciate you coming here today and 676 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: Sharon Allison's story, sharing your story. It just means a 677 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,919 Speaker 1: lot to me and I admire everything that you have done. 678 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: Just I am so grateful that you are my friend. 679 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: I am grateful and honored to be a small part. 680 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: And I just want you to know anybody listening, this 681 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: is not an unsolved case, it's an unproven case. In 682 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: the next episode of Zone seven, we're going to continue 683 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: the series on Alison Foy and Angela Nobles Rothan with 684 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: the District Attorney himself, Ben David. So the d A 685 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,919 Speaker 1: is gonna join us and give us the rundown of 686 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: all that he has tried to do year after year 687 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: after year to get enough evidence to take Timothy I 688 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: Only to trial for murder. You do not want to 689 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: miss this episode.