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Speaker 1: welcome to the Freedom Hunt. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: being here with me. Uh, not much of a surprise.

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Speaker 1: they like their own senator, or they like their own

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Speaker 1: congressman or congresswomen, and and that's that's part of the

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Speaker 1: problem is that they can always blame the party, or

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Speaker 1: blame DC, the system, whatever it may be. There's so

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Speaker 1: much deflection, and these politicians are all masters of it.

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Speaker 1: They're they're good at at seeming like they understand the

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Speaker 1: plight of of average foe. You know, this is this

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Speaker 1: is the the oldest trick in the book for politicians.

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Speaker 1: I mean that they were doing this in ancient Rome,

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Speaker 1: they're doing this in ancient Greece. You know, for as

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Speaker 1: long as people have been voting for people, they there

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Speaker 1: have been politicians standing up there saying, hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: I understand what your problems are, and most of the

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Speaker 1: time they're lying. Uh. And as as two members of

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Speaker 1: Congress who are you know, conservative. Part of the issue

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Speaker 1: here is look, I I mean, I'll say, a part

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Speaker 1: of the issues the American people, or or more specifically

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Speaker 1: people who are Republicans. Uh, I don't think they I

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Speaker 1: don't think enough of them really want what they think

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Speaker 1: they want when it comes to healthcare, which is a

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Speaker 1: system that isn't heavily government regulated and subsidized. Because we've

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Speaker 1: become so used to this now, I mean, what would

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Speaker 1: look at you know, you've got the biggest bulge in

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Speaker 1: spending comes at the end of life, at end of life,

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Speaker 1: and there you've got Medicare and Medicaid, by the way,

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Speaker 1: covering a huge portion of the cost. That's government, that's

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Speaker 1: government money going into that. No one wants touch Medicare,

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Speaker 1: that's you know, that's political third rail. Now you've got

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Speaker 1: seventy million people on Medicaid, which a third of the population.

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Speaker 1: Uh So the government's are already in control of a

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Speaker 1: lot of that, a lot of healthcare spending, a big

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Speaker 1: chunk of it. So people and we're not really you know,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna try to change a little bit of Medicaid.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the Democrats are fighting like like crazy against that. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we're so far from a free market healthcare system. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's almost becomes laughable to talk about a free market

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Speaker 1: healthcare system because it's been a little bit oh no,

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Speaker 1: but interrupt away, go ahead. It's done a little bit

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Speaker 1: of research also into why I met U healthcare prices

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Speaker 1: are so high. And it has to do because a

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Speaker 1: lot of times when the hospital wants to buy an

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Speaker 1: m R m R I machine, for example, there really

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Speaker 1: can just go to a website to g dot com

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Speaker 1: or whatever and just have a list listed price of

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Speaker 1: what the what these machines cost. I mean, I even

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Speaker 1: I worked in the laboratory in the company that we

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Speaker 1: buy a still from. They kind of just gave they

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Speaker 1: give us the price based on what they think we

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Speaker 1: can afford to pay. And so a lot of that

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Speaker 1: has trickles down also to the consumer. There really is

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Speaker 1: no open market because there's no open market on on

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Speaker 1: the tools, the items that need that go into healthcare too,

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Speaker 1: and so I think that that has a lot to

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Speaker 1: deal with it also. Alright, Stephen California, thank you, sir,

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Speaker 1: Shield Tai Guy in Mississippi also w j d X,

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Speaker 1: Hey guy, hello Buck, thanks for talking about call. Of

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Speaker 1: course the healthcare situation. I'm really you know, the Missficonnell

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Speaker 1: Paul Ryan tech team, they are really letting conservatives down. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They passed a repeal of Obamacare and totality back when

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Speaker 1: Obama's present, So I've been discussed before. They knew when

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Speaker 1: they put on this desk who was gonna be to it.

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Speaker 1: Now they have control, I think they just need to

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Speaker 1: just repeal it and totality and and then go and

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Speaker 1: start putting band aids on the Obama disaster because they're

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Speaker 1: they're great, they're making it better, but still they're not

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Speaker 1: killing it. It's like Obama Light. That's why Republicans and

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Speaker 1: Congress Rampaul and others are opposed to it because it

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Speaker 1: does not do away with Obamacare. It actually puts band

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Speaker 1: aids on it. And that just I think it'd be

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Speaker 1: better just you know, if there's a cancer, cut it

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Speaker 1: out and move forward, kill it and create a better

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Speaker 1: health care plan. But instead of put band aids on something. Guy,

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Speaker 1: what you're seeing here is there are Republicans. They were

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Speaker 1: talking tough for a long time on this, and our

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Speaker 1: Republicans are scared. Uh, you know, they're scared for their jobs.

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Speaker 1: I mean they're not. They're not, you know, individually scared

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Speaker 1: as the result of Obamacare, but they're scared for their

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Speaker 1: reelection prospects that they don't want to be the ones

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Speaker 1: who are seen as as taking away healthcare from people.

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Speaker 1: Because once people get it, they don't care if it's

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Speaker 1: right or if it's constitutional, or a government should or

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Speaker 1: should not have given it to them. Once you give

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Speaker 1: people stuff, taking it away, it's very hard, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: once the government has said you were legally entitled to

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Speaker 1: X to say actually, sorry, you're not entitled to that

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Speaker 1: is a very difficult thing to pull off politically, and

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Speaker 1: that's that's where the Republicans are right now. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: then but why why were they able to do it

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Speaker 1: when Obama was president and they had no problem with it?

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Speaker 1: But now they well, now we're told that's all about

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Speaker 1: the supermajority and all they had the supermajority. But you

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Speaker 1: know that's Uh. First of all, we weren't told that

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Speaker 1: all along, that that we need a supermajority to get

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Speaker 1: rid of this. I mean, I've I've heard people make

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Speaker 1: the argument that you, through a simple majority and the

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Speaker 1: reconciliation process can get rid of whatever parts of this

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Speaker 1: of Obamacare you want to. Uh. And and if now

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Speaker 1: that if the new rule is they can't do anything

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Speaker 1: worth Republicans can't do anything worthwhile without a supermajority, I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're just moving the goal posts on us once again.

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Speaker 1: So I know, I find it. I find it frustrating too.

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Speaker 1: And and why that that it's unthinkable now to do

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Speaker 1: a full repeal and and have a new bill just

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Speaker 1: goes to show you that those who are warning that

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Speaker 1: Obamacare is here to stay always and forever once it's

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Speaker 1: past those those people, UM, and I think I was

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Speaker 1: one of them, memory serves. But those people were right. Um.

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Speaker 1: This is this is something that's very hard to get

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Speaker 1: rid of for reasons of politics, not for reasons of

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Speaker 1: economics or or healthcare delivery. I should know, guy, thank

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Speaker 1: you for calling in. Um. That's another part of this too.

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Speaker 1: It's healthcare hasn't been getting better. Everybody. You've noticed that, right.

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Speaker 1: This is the un the much underdiscussed part of this

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Speaker 1: whole situation. It's not like healthcare has gotten a lot better.

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Speaker 1: It's not like things have gotten a lot cheaper. Things

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Speaker 1: are getting more expensive. Okay, So what exactly is the

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Speaker 1: benefit here? Okay, there are more people that are getting

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Speaker 1: free healthcare from the government that's not very good, that

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Speaker 1: doesn't generally keep them healthier. Uh and and give them

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Speaker 1: better health outcomes. And if they didn't have it, that's

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Speaker 1: through medicaid. Uh. Do did you find that you have

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Speaker 1: a better Do you have a better variety of plans?

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Speaker 1: I've been on uh three healthcare plans in the last

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Speaker 1: twelve months to everybody, so you know I've I've been

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Speaker 1: dealing with this myself three different plans, and you know,

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Speaker 1: your every every healthcare plan you get on, You're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: So that's what I'm dealing with here, A very frustrating,

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Speaker 1: very frustrating. Um, we're gonna talk about this by all means, uh,

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Speaker 1: throw throw more questions our way here in the in

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Speaker 1: the in the hut. But I do want to move

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Speaker 1: on to the both the press briefing, the the White

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Speaker 1: House Press briefing battles, and then the reality of the

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Speaker 1: Russia collusion narrative and all this other stuff that's going

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Speaker 1: on here in the last twenty four hours with specifically CNN.

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Speaker 1: Is it's been it's been well, I think unless you're

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Speaker 1: just a die hard CNN fan, it's been a rough

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours for CNN. And we'll get into y

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Speaker 1: and uh that and much more and just a few

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Speaker 1: r right back spicy in the White House briefing today,

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Speaker 1: But Spicer wasn't in fact at the podium. It was

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Speaker 1: just feisty, if you will. It was a spirited exchange

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Speaker 1: between Sarah Huckabee Sanders and some well one reporter in

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Speaker 1: in particular. She started off with joking with the press,

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Speaker 1: asked if they wanted to, uh, well, skip questions. I

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Speaker 1: know you guys are probably a little bit tired since

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Speaker 1: we've been here a while, So do you want to

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Speaker 1: skip on the questions? I figured it was worth it,

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Speaker 1: figured it was worth a shot. She then went on

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Speaker 1: to talk about CNN's barrage, as she calls it, of

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Speaker 1: fake news UM and said the following, I think it's

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Speaker 1: the constant barrage of fake news directed at this president

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Speaker 1: probably that has garnered a lot of his frustration. UM,

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Speaker 1: you point to that report, there are multiple other instances

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Speaker 1: where that out it that you referenced has been repeatedly

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Speaker 1: wrong and had to point that out or be corrected.

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Speaker 1: Now this is where I have to disagree with um,

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Speaker 1: with some of my my fellow I guess they're conservative

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Speaker 1: or just on the right, or some of them are

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Speaker 1: just maybe centrists who are at more conservative leaning Uh

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Speaker 1: institutions or networks or platforms, whatever, whatever the case may be. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there there seems to be this sense of Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: CNN on the Scaramucci Russia fund story, which was the

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Speaker 1: one that led to three of its reporters resigning, I

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Speaker 1: think forced out, so you know, gently fired. CNN corrected itself.

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Speaker 1: I saw what was at Shepherd Smith over at Fox

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Speaker 1: News saying that he viewed this as journalism. This is journalism.

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Speaker 1: One oh one I think was the headline. But there

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Speaker 1: are but there are others who are taking a similar position,

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Speaker 1: the position being hey, we shouldn't be so hard on

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Speaker 1: on CNN because well, CNN is doing is doing the

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Speaker 1: right thing here by disciplining it's its own people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: chef Chef Smith defends handling of CNNs handling a rush report.

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Speaker 1: Here's the problem with that line of argument. And we're

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Speaker 1: going to get into also the Project Very Toss video

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Speaker 1: that Sarah Huckabee Sanders mentioned um on in this press conference.

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Speaker 1: And I thought we had the like part where it, oh, no,

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Speaker 1: we do it. Wait wait before I get into Very

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Speaker 1: Toss and and all that stuff I wanted. This is

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Speaker 1: where things get inflammatory. Here's a reporter challenging Sarah Huckaby

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Speaker 1: Sanders people in this room. But news outlets get to

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Speaker 1: go on day after day and site unnamed sources, use

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Speaker 1: stories without sources. Have uh you know you mentioned the

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Speaker 1: Scaramouchi story where they had to have her reporters resigned.

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Speaker 1: Come on, you're inflaming everybody. Why do here right now

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Speaker 1: with those words. This administration has done that as well.

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Speaker 1: Why in the name of happens any one of us

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Speaker 1: right are replaceable? And any one of us if we

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Speaker 1: don't get it right, the audience has the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: turn the channel or not read us. I think you

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Speaker 1: have been elected to serve for four years at least,

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Speaker 1: there's no option other than that where I think to

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Speaker 1: ask you questions. I'm here to provide the answers. And

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Speaker 1: what you just did is inflammatory. Two people all over

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Speaker 1: the country who look at and say, see, once again,

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Speaker 1: the president is right, and everybody else out here is

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Speaker 1: fake media, and everybody in this room is only trying

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Speaker 1: to do their job. But I just I disagree completely.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I think if anything has been inflamed, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's the dishonesty that often takes place by the news media.

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Speaker 1: And I think it is outrageous for you to accuse

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Speaker 1: me of inflaming a story when I was simply trying

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Speaker 1: to respond to his question. Sara Argaby Sanders doesn't doesn't

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Speaker 1: back down. Gotta gotta give her credit, uh, and and

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Speaker 1: handles handles it handles the heat well, I think, But

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Speaker 1: this is so, by the way, there you have a

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Speaker 1: you have a reporter being sanctimonious and going for his

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Speaker 1: viral moment talking about how this isn't about the reporters,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is about getting getting answers for the

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Speaker 1: American people. Yet, yeah, right, okay, sure. And I've been

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Speaker 1: watching these press conferences and that the tone and the

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Speaker 1: approach on both sides, granted, but the tone from the

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Speaker 1: media as well as from the administration is one of

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Speaker 1: of casual derision, of hostility, of constantly trying to undermine

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Speaker 1: and challenge everything that's coming out of this White House.

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Speaker 1: So they're not they're not fools. They understand it, and

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Speaker 1: we'll both sides understand it. But you know, now, I

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Speaker 1: want to get into CNN that you have two big

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Speaker 1: CNN stories that that tie into the whole fake news

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Speaker 1: narrative thing. In the last twenty four hours, you have,

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Speaker 1: on the one side, the Scaramucci Russia completely retracted, completely

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Speaker 1: false CNN story. Three reporters lost their jobs. Are people saying, oh, look,

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Speaker 1: that is an example of CNN doing the right thing?

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Speaker 1: M hmm, okay, well, let me let's put a pin

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Speaker 1: in that. I I will come back to a CNN

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Speaker 1: doing the right thing here or something else at work.

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Speaker 1: And then you also have an undercover video of a

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Speaker 1: CNN employee from Project Veritas. And I will say to you, um,

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Speaker 1: as somebody who was formerly a CNN employee, I think

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Speaker 1: I have a slightly different take on the Veritas video. No,

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Speaker 1: a pretty different take on the Veritas videos than a

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Speaker 1: lot of other conservatives, because yet there there's the content

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Speaker 1: of what is said, and there's also the way in

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Speaker 1: which the content was, the way that the content is

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Speaker 1: being treated, and and how it was obtained. And I have,

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Speaker 1: let's just say, I have some thoughts on these things.

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Speaker 1: I see we have a lot of lines lit up,

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Speaker 1: and I have very much appreciate that. I want to

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Speaker 1: hear your voice here too in the Freedom Hunt. So

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Speaker 1: if you're on Hole, please do stay with us if

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Speaker 1: you want to join in the fun. Eight four four

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Speaker 1: nine hundred Buck eight four four nine hundred to eight

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Speaker 1: to five the Media's War with the White House and

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Speaker 1: the white Houses War with the Media that coming up.

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Speaker 1: The Freedom Hunt rocks online too. You can hang out

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Speaker 1: with Team Buck any time. Plus get bucks the latest

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Speaker 1: news and analysis. Go to buck Sexton dot com. That's

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Speaker 1: buck Sexton dot com. The Buck is back. Whenever one

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Speaker 1: wants to make a claim of bias, whether it's bias

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Speaker 1: in reporting in the media or bias within an organization,

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Speaker 1: you usually look for a pattern, right, because an incident

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Speaker 1: in isolation, unless it's extreme or it's at the very top,

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Speaker 1: an incident in isolation is not often enough for there

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Speaker 1: to be a clear indication of a narrative. What I

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Speaker 1: mean by this is, you know, if a media organization,

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Speaker 1: if they have one reporter who runs a story out

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Speaker 1: of you know, out of nowhere with fake news, and

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Speaker 1: you know, the New York Times years ago, I had

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Speaker 1: a guy who was just making up stories. The New Republic, uh,

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Speaker 1: which sort of started as America's socialist town hall, um

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Speaker 1: or communist town hall whatever, close enough, uh, Marxist town hall.

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Speaker 1: There we go. Uh had a guy years decades, a

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Speaker 1: few decades ago who also was just making up stories.

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Speaker 1: So that's that can happen. Right, One reporter goes rogue,

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Speaker 1: makes up stories, Okay, fine, and one retracted story does

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Speaker 1: not mean that an organization is necessarily uh systematically systemically

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Speaker 1: uh corrupted with a political agenda. Of course, right, people

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Speaker 1: make mistakes. Every new site, every newspaper, everyone makes mistakes.

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Speaker 1: A full retraction on a story is unusual, Um, but

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Speaker 1: it happens. But a retraction that falls into a much

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Speaker 1: broader pattern of suspect reporting that then changes, right, this

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Speaker 1: then this, this is the the context of it. This

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Speaker 1: is is this, like I said, an incident in isolation

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Speaker 1: or is it an incident that illustrates a much larger trend?

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Speaker 1: Can you distill? Can you take away from this and

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Speaker 1: much bigger narrative? And this is where we now have

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Speaker 1: to look at what happened, what's happened with CNN? Where

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Speaker 1: with with that in mind, because the immediate defense that

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Speaker 1: you'll hear is that this is not that this is

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Speaker 1: not indicative of broader practices. And I'm even hearing people

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Speaker 1: say that CNN did the right thing here, as though

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Speaker 1: this is just comes out of nowhere. You had a

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal associate editor speaking to you, Shepherd Smith

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Speaker 1: over at Fox, and this is what you want to

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Speaker 1: have happened, right, Bucy said, you want to have a

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Speaker 1: news organization when they finally got something wrong that didn't

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Speaker 1: go through their process properly to attract it and publicly

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Speaker 1: state we made a mistake. Smith agreed. Quote It's like

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Speaker 1: as Shepherd Smith. It's like an example of how to

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Speaker 1: do it. If you make a mistake, journalism one O

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Speaker 1: one says, you admit your mistake, you correct it immediately,

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Speaker 1: and you take corrective action. This is very this is

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Speaker 1: really poor analysis of the situation. Okay, let me explain why.

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Speaker 1: Uh this is really borderline nonsense. First of all, they're

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Speaker 1: they're talking about this as though it was an issue

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Speaker 1: of an issue of factual error, when it was a

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Speaker 1: discarding of basic journalistic practices. Okay, so start with that.

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Speaker 1: Also add to it that this was it wasn't enough

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Speaker 1: to just correct or even retract the story. People got

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Speaker 1: fired because of this. So it was clearly egregious violation

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Speaker 1: of protocol. But why was it so egregious? I think

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Speaker 1: the real sin of these journalists who got the boot

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Speaker 1: from CNN was not so much that they cast off

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Speaker 1: their journalistic practices. I think it's that they gave up

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Speaker 1: the game here they shore that now people can point

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Speaker 1: and see see those of us who are paying attention

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Speaker 1: to being honest can point at this as we are

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Speaker 1: doing right now and say, see they are just going

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Speaker 1: with anything they can to hurt the administration. And that's

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Speaker 1: where the sloppiness comes from That's why they were so sloppy.

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Speaker 1: And so that's the the betrayal that these journalists and

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Speaker 1: in the eyes of their employers CNN, if there's any betrayal,

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Speaker 1: it's that they betrayed the reality of what's going on

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Speaker 1: inside the organization day and day out, so egregiously that

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Speaker 1: no one can deny it because the story was so

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Speaker 1: flimsy and so false, And that makes it now harder

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Speaker 1: to do the whole continued questions about these about the

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Speaker 1: Trump Russia collusion situation, More questions being asked about Trump

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Speaker 1: Russia collusion situation. This is the question becomes the headlining

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Speaker 1: story somehow every night, right, you know, and and by

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Speaker 1: the way, look at what they get wrong. Look at

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Speaker 1: the retractions recently from the CNN, the Washington Post, the

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Speaker 1: New York Times. They somehow are only having to attract

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Speaker 1: major stories on this issue. They are only sloppy and

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Speaker 1: heedless of journalistic standards, it would seem on this issue.

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Speaker 1: Why is that? At what point does that sloppiness does

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Speaker 1: that does that record of of continued and and frequent,

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Speaker 1: comparatively speaking, failure begin to tell us something about a

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Speaker 1: broader mentality that is at work at the network. I

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Speaker 1: think we're already there, right, But what was the more

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Speaker 1: recently or or right before this happened with with a

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Speaker 1: story about Scaramucci in the Russian fund that was complete nonsense,

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Speaker 1: and Scaramucci was a class act about him, just that

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Speaker 1: he'll move on. But you know, the rest of us

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Speaker 1: don't have to ignore this. We're allowed to take lessons

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Speaker 1: from this. He's moving on personally, which is fine, and

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Speaker 1: and and that's you know, he's a he's a good dude.

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Speaker 1: But you you look at what was before this, there

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Speaker 1: were these There was the CNN story as a whole night,

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Speaker 1: The major story on the on the prime time shows

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Speaker 1: was how Comy was going to testify that Trump that

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Speaker 1: he did not tell Trump three times he was not

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Speaker 1: an investigation. That was completely false. He did testify he was.

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Speaker 1: He did end up testifying the Trump he told Trump

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Speaker 1: three times he was not an investigation. And and then

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Speaker 1: go before that, look at stories about Russia and Trump,

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, whether it is reporters saying that

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Speaker 1: Trump removed the bust of Martin Luther King to stories

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Speaker 1: about a Russian hacking of the Vermont power grid that

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Speaker 1: never occurred, to a two stories about the influence of

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Speaker 1: Russian bots on the election based on unsourced and even

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Speaker 1: anonymous analysis done by a firm that nobody even did

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Speaker 1: any backstory and looking up who they were as their

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Speaker 1: main source for Washington Post piece. I mean, they're making

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Speaker 1: all these mistakes in this area. Why do we think

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Speaker 1: that is healthcare is complicated and not doing a lot

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Speaker 1: of healthcare attractions, Immigration is contentious and complicated, not not

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Speaker 1: a lot of retractions there. Why have there been completely

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Speaker 1: false fake stories on these issues which are all interconnected.

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Speaker 1: You can say, oh, buck, it's just a it's just

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Speaker 1: a a velocity and frequency issue, meaning that there's so

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Speaker 1: much of a push to get these stories out and

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Speaker 1: there's so many of these stories that there will be

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Speaker 1: more mistakes. I think you're giving a lot of credit

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Speaker 1: to the media organizations with that. And then you'd also

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Speaker 1: have to ask, well, if the if the facts aren't

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Speaker 1: are you know, are the facts aren't pushing that meaning

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Speaker 1: that you know, if they are having to conjure up

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Speaker 1: sources that are not so good, why are they telling

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Speaker 1: these stories right? What's why is there that velocity? To

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Speaker 1: use the term that I just put forward a second ago, here,

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Speaker 1: Why is there that need to run these stories? And

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Speaker 1: that's where we get into this Project Very Toss video.

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Speaker 1: This was an undercover video from Project Very Toss, which

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Speaker 1: is James O'Keefe's outfit, where they did undercover video of

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Speaker 1: a CNN producer. And we will play some of that

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Speaker 1: audio for you right now. I mean it's mostly right now,

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Speaker 1: like we don't have any giant proof. I just feel

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Speaker 1: like they don't really have it, but they want to

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Speaker 1: keep doing it. And so I think the President is

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Speaker 1: probably right to say, like, look, you are witch hunting,

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Speaker 1: like you have no smoking guy, we have no real proof.

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Speaker 1: In the CEO of CNN said in our internal meeting,

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Speaker 1: he said, good job everybody cover in the climate accord.

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Speaker 1: But we're done with him. Let's get back to Rush.

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Speaker 1: Now here's my sense of this. This individual um it

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Speaker 1: was speaking um about his own feelings about what's going

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Speaker 1: on there, and now I think that what he says

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Speaker 1: is much more widely held in terms of belief within

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Speaker 1: the newsroom at CNN and elsewhere. I think that that's

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Speaker 1: that's very clear. Um. And I know of I know

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Speaker 1: of people who said, you know that there were tears

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Speaker 1: shed and clapping when when Obama, you know, won the

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Speaker 1: election and then one re election right in the CNN newsroom.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so, so this is not any same at MSNBC.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure, right, I mean, no, no surprise. Come on,

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Speaker 1: let's let's all we're gonna be big boys and big

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Speaker 1: girls about this. And we all know this. You know this,

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Speaker 1: I know this. Okay, So this guy is articulating on camera,

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Speaker 1: not knowing he's on camera what what we believe to be.

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Speaker 1: And I think I would I would challenge and anyone

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Speaker 1: who would want to say otherwise is an operating assumption

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Speaker 1: among a lot of people at CNN. UM. But this

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Speaker 1: guy is actually being honest about it, which I think

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Speaker 1: is interesting. I mean, he's he's saying that, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think there's not that much there, but they're running

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Speaker 1: with it. He's the only part about this that I

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Speaker 1: start to have a little bit of trepidation, a little

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Speaker 1: bit of you know, do we really want This isn't

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Speaker 1: some big This isn't some big big cheese over at CNN. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is not some person who's making huge decisions about coverage.

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Speaker 1: This isn't you know, this isn't Anderson Cooper. This isn't

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Speaker 1: Jeff Zucker, This isn't a major figure in what is

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Speaker 1: a vast organization. I mean, CNN is huge, a lot

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Speaker 1: of employees. So okay, he's one person. He's sharing his

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Speaker 1: opinion and it reflects what I think we all believe

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Speaker 1: to be broader opinion inside CNN. But you know this,

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Speaker 1: for me, this is a little it's a little more

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Speaker 1: borderline than some folks are saying in the sense that

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Speaker 1: I think it's yeah, it's it's it's bad. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's saying is what we believe and it's bad. But

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Speaker 1: this is just one guy. Now we can start to say, well,

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Speaker 1: is this in isolation or is this broader? I think

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Speaker 1: that the the narrative. We already know what the feeling

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Speaker 1: is based on the news coverage night in the Night Out,

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Speaker 1: one of the anchors are saying how they treat pro

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Speaker 1: Trump gats. I mean, you know, the whole story is

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Speaker 1: already there, this one guy saying it. Okay, it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a data point. I'm not just I'm not discounting it.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's It's not like he's got Jeff

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Speaker 1: by the way, his statement about Zucker who's the CEO

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Speaker 1: of CNN, that he said, Okay, a great job on that.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to Russia. Well maybe there, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe there was a Russia story that day. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know that that's that's not as And I know

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Speaker 1: people and I know no one ever wants to hear

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Speaker 1: what I'm like, not on board the you know, raw

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Speaker 1: conservative radio yelling about they're terrible. I mean, I've been

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Speaker 1: doing a lot of that already this hour. But I

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Speaker 1: try to bring some nuance to the game, folks. I

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Speaker 1: try to tell you what I really think and not

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Speaker 1: just what I think people always want to hear all

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Speaker 1: the time. Uh, and I think you'll you'll also someone

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Speaker 1: you at least agree with me that you know this

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Speaker 1: I don't really like the I mean, think about this

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Speaker 1: another way. Do we really want pretty a low level

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Speaker 1: employee or lower level employee at at you know, at

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Speaker 1: another news organization. Think of one you like to be

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Speaker 1: asked in an off camera moment something about, you know,

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Speaker 1: what they think of the network's cover. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: guy might lose his job now, you know there there

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Speaker 1: are consequences for this, and he he was speaking good

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Speaker 1: faith to someone. I'm just not comfortable with the I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna start recording people in private conversations unless there's really

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Speaker 1: good reason. And for me, this is this is yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a little borderline. Yeah, and I know some of

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Speaker 1: you wouldsagree with me on that. That's fine, But this

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Speaker 1: isn't a senior executive at CNN. This isn't a major anchor,

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Speaker 1: not a major reporter. There's just a guy as a

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Speaker 1: producer who uh, and I think he's saying when a

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Speaker 1: lot of them believe there don't. Don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 1: but you know, there's there's a consequence here. This guy's

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Speaker 1: probably I mean, I don't know, maybe he won't, but

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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's certainly embarrassing for me. He might

892
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Speaker 1: get fired. And he's like speaking the truth off camera

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Speaker 1: here about what he thinks is going on. So you

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Speaker 1: know what, why why does he get to be the uh,

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Speaker 1: the sacrificial lamb here? Right? I mean? Why is he

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Speaker 1: the one that's you know, telling us really what we

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Speaker 1: already know? So I I feel bad for this guy,

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Speaker 1: I guess, is what I'm trying to say. I mean, now, look,

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Speaker 1: I've only watched the clip. I haven't watched the whole documentary.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he says more, you know, inflammatory bad stuff, but

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Speaker 1: just based on the clip that I played for you,

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Speaker 1: which is what I've heard so far and what everyone's

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Speaker 1: focusing so much attention on about the coverage, Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you could say that he's representative of

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Speaker 1: the whole news organizations the bottom line. And uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I also am just and I should and now as

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that's out loud, I should listen to the

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Speaker 1: entirety of the exchange. And I am now apologizing in

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Speaker 1: real times. I say this to you because I listened

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Speaker 1: to the clip and not the whole thing. Um. But

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Speaker 1: you know, going in and taping somebody for their political

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Speaker 1: opinions inside a news organization and then broadcasting it out there,

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Speaker 1: that's that's kind of rough. I've been in a lot

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Speaker 1: of green rooms with a lot of folks, and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, if if he started just pulling out the microphone,

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Speaker 1: you catch people saying things that might get them fired,

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Speaker 1: and it might be interesting. But I would never do that.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's a it's you know, that's just

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Speaker 1: a thought to keep in mind. That's all I'm saying there.

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Speaker 1: But on the other thing about the news story, I

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Speaker 1: mean that, for me is the much bigger issue here,

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Speaker 1: The much bigger piece of this whole situation is the

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Speaker 1: um the new story that had to be retracted, because

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Speaker 1: that's where you see, that's where you already have that.

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Speaker 1: What this guy's telling you, you already know from that,

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Speaker 1: what he says in that clip, you're already aware of

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Speaker 1: from what's been going on. So I don't know how

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Speaker 1: much it really adds to the discussion. It's another data point. Okay, fine,

929
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Speaker 1: I know we've got every line that's lead. People might

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Speaker 1: want to disagree with you on this, well, at least

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Speaker 1: part of it. I understand. Let's hit a break and

932
00:52:51,560 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: we'll come my back team. Uh, stay with me. Go

933
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Speaker 1: to some callers here. Uh Roger Ian Uh delaware, what's up?

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Speaker 1: Roger I buck h Well, it just went away in

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Speaker 1: um you know, the hypocrisy of John McCain and his

936
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Speaker 1: other buddy there from Carolina's uh uh some years ago.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about a cross in the aisle, you know, cross, Oh,

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Speaker 1: we gotta cross, gotta get along. You know, I don't

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Speaker 1: see any of his buddy's Democrats cross in the aisle,

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Speaker 1: help out with the healthcare Democo. You'll notice Democrats do

941
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Speaker 1: not defect. Republicans should pay more attention and learn a

942
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Speaker 1: lesson here. Democrats do not, So you can. You gotta

943
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Speaker 1: give him credit for that. And I think maybe uh

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Speaker 1: uh McCain and and the other guy I ought to

945
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Speaker 1: at to have that pail pinned on the donkey, you

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Speaker 1: know at this particular time. You know, there's such a

947
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Speaker 1: big advocates of a crossing the aisle, but they're a

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Speaker 1: crossing the aisle? Is us one way? Is I see it?

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Speaker 1: All right? Well, Roger up on w I l M.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for calling in, and we have uh Michael and

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Speaker 1: North Carolina on w g n C. What's up Michael?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I tell you to him, like I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to say, thank you, sir, and a good job

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Speaker 1: that you're doing for us. Thank you. I just want

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Speaker 1: to make a quick statement. Fake news is fake news.

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00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: We all know what when we see if we see

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Speaker 1: what's going on the bias with the media against my president,

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Speaker 1: Mr Trump. And a quick note, I think people have

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Speaker 1: forgotten to Medicaid as a well found our program that

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Speaker 1: were never meant to serve as many people that as

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Speaker 1: its servant, and it was meant for the needius or

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Speaker 1: the needius and the poets of the poet and me

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00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: being an old person, I'm not stupid. I have to

964
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Speaker 1: realize that preexisting conditions, that's on me. We can't afford

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Speaker 1: to come up or people with preexisting conditions. I feel

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Speaker 1: for kids, I feel for baby if I feel for

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Speaker 1: old people, but I have to work to live it.

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Speaker 1: Us taxpayers have to pay this. You can't bind mercey

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Speaker 1: to me. And that totally called and she would have

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Speaker 1: come to tell them I got a brand new Mersey

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Speaker 1: to be and and you're gonna cover it. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, I told it about five minutes ago. Okay,

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Speaker 1: no problem. Almost we am we go. Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you on the Mercedes Benz point and

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Speaker 1: that we we don't really have insurance now. We just

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Speaker 1: have people that want increasingly uh increasing levels of government

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Speaker 1: subsidy for healthcare at at really at most levels um

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Speaker 1: And on the point about previousing conditions, we actually could

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Speaker 1: handle prexisting conditions as a separate category in the market

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Speaker 1: in states, but previousing conditions have been used as an

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Speaker 1: emotional tool when dealing with the public to force everyone

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Speaker 1: into these you know, to force everyone to be in

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Speaker 1: the same exchanges in the individual market, and that has

984
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Speaker 1: tremendous costs. I mean to your point about the taxpayer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the taxpayers are on the hook for all this, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I guess we we just still don't have

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Speaker 1: any discussions about the debt and deficit really, or at

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Speaker 1: least not any meaningful ones um and eventually we're gonna

989
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have spend too much money. I don't know

990
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Speaker 1: when we're there. We're a twenty trillion, maybe it's a

991
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Speaker 1: thirty trillion, but you know, we're we're heading there. It's

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Speaker 1: it's not insurance. It's it's it's it's subsidized care. It's

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Speaker 1: it's taxpayer funded care. Michael, thank you for calling in.

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Speaker 1: Lisa in California. I heart app. What's up, Lisa? Hi,

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Speaker 1: go team back. How are you good? Thanks? Lisa? What's up? Good? Well,

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Speaker 1: you've been all over the place since I called in,

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Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna make one comment in another comment. First,

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Speaker 1: I like Sarah Huckabee Sanders because she's the most professional.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't get down into the emotional weeds and she's

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Speaker 1: the most professional person we've had in the White House

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Speaker 1: since Tony Snow. Okay, I just think that secondly, on

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Speaker 1: the healthcare debate, Um, we got sixty seconds, Lisa, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Under Queen Victoria, they had something called the deserving, poor

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Speaker 1: and undeserving part. If you were a widow with six

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Speaker 1: kids and your husband died in the war, you were

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Speaker 1: deserving poor and you've got free benefits from the government.

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Speaker 1: If you were somebody who had six kids from six

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Speaker 1: di from fathers, didn't you had to get it from

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Speaker 1: from private industry. We need more private industry stepping up

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Speaker 1: to pay for the free healthcare. Well, we need people

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00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: who work in private industry to be paying for their

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Speaker 1: paying for healthcare. But absolutely, yeah, no, I hear at

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Speaker 1: least thanks for thanks for calling in. Um. I'm yeah,

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Speaker 1: like I think Ron Johnson was hitting on it before

1015
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: with we we need to be honest and courageous when

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Speaker 1: talking about healthcare. If not, we're not even going to

1017
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Speaker 1: diagnose the shortcomings of our effort to improve on Obamacare,

1018
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Speaker 1: UM properly. So that's that's where we are on all this.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to a friend of mine about the

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Speaker 1: healthcare bill and expert, and we're gonna talk about national

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00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: security in Syria, and then third hour whole bunch of

1022
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Speaker 1: other stuff. So stay with the Freedom Hunt Rocks online too.

1023
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Speaker 1: You can hang out with Team Buck anytime. Plus get

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Speaker 1: plus the latest news and analysis. Go to buck Sexton

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Speaker 1: dot com, buck Sexton dot com. That's buck Sexton dot com.

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Speaker 1: Shields high. All right, everybody, let's talk healthcare with a

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Speaker 1: policy walk. We've got Lonnie Chen on the line. He's

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Speaker 1: a research fellow at the Hoover Institution and a lecturer

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Speaker 1: at Stanford University. He was an advisor to Senator Mark

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Speaker 1: Rubio's presidential campaign. Great to have you, Lonnie. Hey, bucktivity

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Speaker 1: back to all right, we know that the Senate's not

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Speaker 1: going to be voting on this until after the fourth

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Speaker 1: of July recess, but we have the broad strokes of

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Speaker 1: where the Senate build the Senate Healthcare Bill is right now,

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Speaker 1: what do you what interest your your overall thoughts about

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Speaker 1: this based on expect stations, what we've been told in

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Speaker 1: the past, and where we're supposed to go go ahead? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm I'm obviously disappointed that we're not

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Speaker 1: going to get to a vote this week. I actually

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Speaker 1: think that the Senate building a lot of distidings. UH

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Speaker 1: definitely expands the amount of assistance available as a low

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Speaker 1: income people to help them portas health insurance. That does

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Speaker 1: the market view regulation, gives states more power and ultimately,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's the big thing I think it does.

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Speaker 1: It really reforms an entitlement program UH in the form

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Speaker 1: of Medicaid, which needs to be reforms. But you know,

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Speaker 1: the vote with the votes weren't there, the support was

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Speaker 1: there to to get this done now, so UH we

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Speaker 1: also lived the side another day and hopefully over the

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Speaker 1: next couple of weeks, Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader,

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Speaker 1: can work with others and his UH chamber to improve

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Speaker 1: the legislation. And that's the best alcome we can hope

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Speaker 1: for now. To those on the conservative side, and and

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Speaker 1: obviously there are some senators who are voicing this UH

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Speaker 1: Rand Paul Ted Cruiz, Mike Lee, UH Johnson out of Wisconsin. UM,

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Speaker 1: those who were saying this is not a repeal do

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Speaker 1: we just need to all accept that repeal is not

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Speaker 1: going to not going to happen at this phase and

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Speaker 1: this is this is the best that we can expect

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Speaker 1: or is repeal eventually supposed to happen. I mean, where

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Speaker 1: where should the the voters within the Republican Party, where

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Speaker 1: should they be on this or what should rather, what

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Speaker 1: should they be told at this point by their by

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Speaker 1: their leadership? Well, I you know, I hate to be

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Speaker 1: semantic about it, but it depends on what the definition

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Speaker 1: of repeal is, you know, because here's the thing. We

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Speaker 1: would all love to be able to write a bill

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Speaker 1: that just says Obamacare is repealed, and and you know,

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Speaker 1: that would be the easy way to do it. Unfortunately, Uh,

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Speaker 1: that's not possible because of the fact that there are

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Speaker 1: only fifty two Republican senators, uh, and they don't have

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Speaker 1: enough to make up a supermajority. And so as a result,

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Speaker 1: we've got to go to a different method. They're using

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Speaker 1: this legislative next method known as budget reconciliation. Kind of

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Speaker 1: complicated in our cave, but basically what it Boil twenty

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Speaker 1: is they can advance a piece of legislation with budget

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Speaker 1: related it has to meet certain rules and they any

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Speaker 1: So that's what they're trying to do. But that also

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Speaker 1: means that they're limited in terms of how much of

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Speaker 1: Obamacare they can do. Rid of So the argument I've

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Speaker 1: made is, I think miss McConnell and Senate Republicans are

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Speaker 1: doing everything they can to repeal as much of Obamacare

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Speaker 1: if they can. We need to give them the benefit

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Speaker 1: of the dat on that. So going forward, it's going

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Speaker 1: to be important for conservatives to really say, look, if

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Speaker 1: we all like to Obamacare, what's the alternative we do like?

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Speaker 1: Because we've got to get to yes here, that status

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Speaker 1: quo is unacceptable. And so you're saying that, really, we

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Speaker 1: should have been told all along that if you really

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Speaker 1: if we wanted a full on repeal, and I know

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Speaker 1: you said it depends on what repeal means, but if

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Speaker 1: it was gonna go back to the healthcare system anti Obamacare,

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Speaker 1: right before Obamacare had ever happened, then we would have

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Speaker 1: needed a supermajority. So I think some folks feel like

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Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a bait and switch, right

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Speaker 1: That wasn't we were told, well, you know, we'll get

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Speaker 1: to a supermajority and then you'll be you'll have repeal.

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Speaker 1: We had all those repeal votes to say. But I

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Speaker 1: get it people will argue that that was necessary to

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Speaker 1: keep the base. I don't know energized and politics is

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Speaker 1: the art of the possible. Okay, on which and by

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Speaker 1: the way, everyone, we're speaking to Lonnie Chen he's a

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Speaker 1: research fellow at the Hoover Institution Lecture at Stanford University. Lonnie,

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Speaker 1: what is it for those listening who are like, look,

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Speaker 1: my my premiums have been going up. Access to healthcare

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Speaker 1: is not getting better. Forget about coverage, The actual access

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Speaker 1: to healthcare is not getting better. Everything's getting more expensive,

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Speaker 1: and it just feels like there's more regulations and red tape.

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Speaker 1: What is there to be happy about in this for

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know we can talk about the budgets

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Speaker 1: and Medicaid and long term projections of that, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: for somebody, if the Senate bill were to pass, get signed,

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Speaker 1: and become law within a month, what would people have

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Speaker 1: to look forward to within a matter of months. Not well,

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Speaker 1: in we're gonna have some real medicaid savings. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is one of the challenges that a lot of

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Speaker 1: what dependent bill does that the benefits of it don't

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Speaker 1: really come to pass for you know, five seven, ten years,

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Speaker 1: so you know, it came out and that's part of

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Speaker 1: the reason why they're having a tough time selling it,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the the report that came out from

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Speaker 1: this office called the Congressional Budget Office that looks so

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Speaker 1: legislate sation and try to determine Oh no, we know

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Speaker 1: all about the CBO. You know, depending on the day,

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Speaker 1: the CBO, the media says the CBO is brilliant or

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Speaker 1: the CBO is worthless. It depends on what they say. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: and and I think that's that's you know, essentially the

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Speaker 1: assessment of most people as well. But if you look

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Speaker 1: at what CBO has said about this thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: they said, well, planiums will come down, but it's gonna

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Speaker 1: take a few years. In the short run, we're going

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Speaker 1: to see more market into the laity. Now why is that?

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Speaker 1: Because Obamacare caused a lot of it. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: very difficult to unwind that mess. But one thing I

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Speaker 1: will say is in the short run, what you are

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Speaker 1: going to see is you are going to see hopefully

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Speaker 1: some stakes taking the lead in crafting some healthcare solutions

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Speaker 1: that work for their sakes. You gotta state like Alaska

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Speaker 1: for example, that was suffering under huge Obamacare premium increases,

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Speaker 1: and they came up with some great ideas and really

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Speaker 1: thoughtful ways to reduce premiums. And that's the kind of

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Speaker 1: activity that I do think the Senate bill will set

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Speaker 1: about it, and I think we'll start to see some

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Speaker 1: of the results from that very very quickly. Alright, Lonnie

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Speaker 1: Chen research fell at the Hoover Institute and lecture at

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Speaker 1: Sanfordiversity Line, thanks so much for making the time. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us. Thank you Buck oh Man. I

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Speaker 1: was I was really hoping that, um good, that Lonny

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Speaker 1: was gonna give me something short term impact. You see

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Speaker 1: that this is part of the problem if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: look at a projection of what is going to be

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Speaker 1: good about this in ten years. Uh. You notice how

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Speaker 1: the Democrats did it. And I don't like to be

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Speaker 1: the guy who's pointing out what the Democrats do and say, see,

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Speaker 1: see they're smart about how they pushed this stuff through. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they had a super majority, I get that to understand.

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Speaker 1: But the sweets, the goodies, the stuff to get excited

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Speaker 1: about for Obamacare came right away. In fact, that was

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Speaker 1: all they talked about, really right. Yeah, there was the

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Speaker 1: broad stroke stuff about more coverage, better care, cheaper care,

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Speaker 1: but that was all, you know, that was all the

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Speaker 1: the generalized speaking of generalized discussion about what was going

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Speaker 1: on with Obamacare, Uh, the stand your parents insurance to

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Speaker 1: twenty six and the prexisting conditions provisions, those were immediate

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Speaker 1: and also by the way, already for mental health issues.

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Speaker 1: Uh that those were immediate parts of Obamacare once it

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Speaker 1: was passed or you know when I say media, I

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Speaker 1: mean that was all gonna be having very very quickly,

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Speaker 1: and so people saw the good side of it. The

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Speaker 1: bad stuff was all back back ended, right the bad

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Speaker 1: the bad stuff was all um pushed towards the push

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Speaker 1: towards the back of the timetable, so that by the

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Speaker 1: time we figure out that you're gonna have failing exchanges

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Speaker 1: and you know, your death spirals for the exchanges, all

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Speaker 1: those problems because just monetarily speaking, this was gonna be

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Speaker 1: much more expensive, much more inefficient, and just worse than

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Speaker 1: we were promised it would already be enacted and more

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Speaker 1: difficult to extricate ourselves from this. Yeah, So I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is this is what we're dealing in. The Republicans

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Speaker 1: are trying to sell us on medicaid savings from and

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Speaker 1: you know, okay, states might have some slightly better ideas

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Speaker 1: than what we've seen in recent years from the federal

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Speaker 1: government side of under Obamacare. But I'm not sure you

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Speaker 1: could argue this is the most compelling stuff for the

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Speaker 1: Republicans to be selling this bill right now. And I'm look,

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Speaker 1: I want to be a believer, everybody, you know, I

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Speaker 1: want to I want to be thrown on a Maga

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Speaker 1: hat on this one too. I want to be high

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Speaker 1: fiving Mitch McConnell. But I gotta feel it and I

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Speaker 1: can't fake it. So we'll we'll see how this goes.

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Speaker 1: We've got a few more days talk about it because

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Speaker 1: they're not gonna vote on it right now. Hit and

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Speaker 1: a break. Your team will be back in a few

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Speaker 1: Stay with me, okay, all right, everybody, let's talk some

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Speaker 1: national security here. We are joined by our friend Tom Rogan.

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Speaker 1: He is a columnist at the Washington Examiner. His latest

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Speaker 1: is the Trump administration is right to threaten Assad against

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Speaker 1: using chemical weapons. Again, Tom, great to have you Trump,

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Speaker 1: It's good to be with you, but thanks having me on.

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Speaker 1: So tell me about the latest here with the administration

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Speaker 1: and these possible preparations for a Syrian chemical attack. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so what we heard was kind of out of the

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Speaker 1: blue as the White House suggesting that they had received

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Speaker 1: intelligence indicating that the Syrians were moving people and equipment

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Speaker 1: in preparation for a possible chemical weapons attack, and so

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Speaker 1: some of the possibilities there behind the details that we

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Speaker 1: would have been able to expect based on what was

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Speaker 1: clearly and intelligence reporting, would be either the mixing of

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Speaker 1: precursor chemicals. They don't do that until later on so

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Speaker 1: as to avoid the notion that they have stockpiled chemical

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Speaker 1: weapons it's harder to detect, but also the staging of

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Speaker 1: aircraft alongside the delivery of those chemicals. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that the key point here would be that

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Speaker 1: they probably saw things coming together towards, you know, an

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Speaker 1: airfield that that suggested to them that an attack was

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Speaker 1: very likely in the coming days. What do you think

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Speaker 1: about the reaction and response now that we've had some

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Speaker 1: time pass between the last chemical weapons attack and the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration firing off a salvo of of missiles in

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Speaker 1: response to that, following through on the red line that

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Speaker 1: had been previously established by President Obama, which he did

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Speaker 1: not follow through on. Do you but do you think

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Speaker 1: the consequences of that have been Do you think it

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Speaker 1: has changed much? Do you think it has changed the

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Speaker 1: Assad regimes actions in Syria? Well, look, I mean it's

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Speaker 1: certainly they haven't done it since, and they were doing

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Speaker 1: it with quite a lot of regularity. And I think though,

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Speaker 1: and I said it at the time, that it was

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Speaker 1: very likely there would be a follow up attack, because

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Speaker 1: especially President Putin but asked as well, wanting to see

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Speaker 1: the US commitment, was this just a one off? And

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Speaker 1: that could they, as they did with President Obama, consistently

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Speaker 1: out escalate the United States, Which is to say, could

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Speaker 1: they have that one attack that Trump would respond in

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Speaker 1: a limited fashion as he did, but then when it

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Speaker 1: came to a second attack and the you know, the

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Speaker 1: anti raised would would Trump back down? And so I

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Speaker 1: always thought this was likely. But at the moment, I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, Trump has done a very good job in

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Speaker 1: terms of effectively deterring their activity. And I thought this

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Speaker 1: response by the White House very public considered through diplomatic

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Speaker 1: back channels, and very unequivocal in the sense of you

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Speaker 1: know that you will pay the price if you do this, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, a heavy price quote that is the right

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Speaker 1: thing to do. And I think it. You know, we

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Speaker 1: we shall see what happens. What do you think about

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Speaker 1: the campaign right now to defeat ISIS using proxies on

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Speaker 1: the ground in Syria. What's the latest with that? How

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Speaker 1: close are they taking rock Hour beginning the main hostilities

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Speaker 1: to take the city, the capital city of the Islamic

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Speaker 1: State away from it. How is that effort going. Well,

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Speaker 1: they've they've made a lot of progress, and I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you look at where they are, they're already in

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Speaker 1: the outer suburbs of the city. The city is basically

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Speaker 1: now totally surrounded, and so it will be taken. But

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Speaker 1: the important point to remember, I think is that Isis

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Speaker 1: has removed a lot of its top fighters in terms

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Speaker 1: of commanders, operational planners for European Western operations down the

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Speaker 1: Euphrates River valley towards our client Mayadi, and they're still

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Speaker 1: mostly on the on the Syrian side of the border

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Speaker 1: because they have greater security there. But the threat is

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Speaker 1: not going away. But but but the operation in terms

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Speaker 1: of retaking Raki, yeah, it's making a lot of progress.

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Speaker 1: I think that the secondary point there though, is that

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Speaker 1: we are heavily relying on Kurdish forces and you know,

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Speaker 1: when Raki is retaken, there will be unless the United States,

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Speaker 1: you know, plays a balancing role, a lot of sectary

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Speaker 1: intensions between the Kurds who have their own territorial interests

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Speaker 1: and the serting our population that lives in that area.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's a it's it's a complicated one. And

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Speaker 1: even if in the moment um it's positive that we're

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Speaker 1: seeing you forward momentum towards the city falling out of

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Speaker 1: Vice's hand. We're speaking to Tom Rogan. He is a columnist,

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Speaker 1: a columist at the Washington Examiner. He's got a piece there.

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Speaker 1: The Trump administration is right to threaten ASSAD against using

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Speaker 1: chemical weapons again, Tom, I want to switch gears to Afghanistan. Uh,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about the administration's current movements and

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Speaker 1: what looked like preparations for enhancing the US military presence.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that I know we're supposed to hear

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Speaker 1: in the weeks ahead about a change or at least

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Speaker 1: whatever the administration strategy is officially, but what are your

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on where all that it's going

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Speaker 1: right now? Well, I think what we're seeing, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Secretary Matters, Defense Secretary said at leave last week or

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Speaker 1: the week before in congressional testimony that President Trump had

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Speaker 1: deferred troop deployment levels to him. I think that's a

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Speaker 1: positive thing. We had an editorial at The Examiner suggesting

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Speaker 1: that why we thought it was positive, but that the

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Speaker 1: main point is that Matters is a realist who I

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Speaker 1: think is cognizant of the failings in our strategy up

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Speaker 1: until now, the limitations in what we can do unless

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Speaker 1: we're willing, which I don't think we are and which

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Speaker 1: we should not be, to put tens of thousands more

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Speaker 1: troops back in there. But but but also recognizes that

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Speaker 1: the Obama administration's approach of sort of withdraws on a

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Speaker 1: political timetable to please move on dot Org in his

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Speaker 1: museum exhibits, was not a good way to wage effective

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Speaker 1: counterinsurgency in Afghanistan. So that the critical issue is having

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Speaker 1: enough forces there, which we don't at the moment to

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Speaker 1: be able to provide the intelligence, logistics, aviation support to

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Speaker 1: the Afghan security forces, but also the force presence that

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Speaker 1: they would need over the longer term to maintain control

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Speaker 1: of the major cities and build in that sort of

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Speaker 1: old ink ink blot. Do you think it's a fair

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Speaker 1: criticism though that's effectively a holding pattern with what the

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Speaker 1: strategy has already been for the last oh many years.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where we would even peg the the

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Speaker 1: start of that strategy, but creating durable Afghan institutions military

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Speaker 1: and and police and governance, letting them stand up and

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Speaker 1: fight on their own, training them, assisting them, helping them

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Speaker 1: on the way to that. That's been the strategy for

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Speaker 1: a long time. So do you see any real change

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Speaker 1: or you just you think that the idea here is

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Speaker 1: to just do it a little better and give it

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Speaker 1: a little more time. Well, I think the change is

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Speaker 1: that that we are not for example, I think it

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Speaker 1: would be very unlikely that we would see, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: a massive redeployment of ground forces into places like Kalman

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Speaker 1: Province or some of the provinces in eastern Afghanistan. I

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Speaker 1: think there is a recognition that those areas will essentially

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Speaker 1: be you know, controlled by the Taliban to some degree.

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Speaker 1: In that you act in a way that seeks to

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Speaker 1: get the Afghans ability to retake a major population centers.

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Speaker 1: But broadly, look, I mean, yes, there is this. You know,

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Speaker 1: it takes a long time to get a function in

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Speaker 1: government up and running in incredible institutions. And I think

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Speaker 1: if we look at the perspective of history in Afghanistan,

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Speaker 1: actually as much as a lot of people might think

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Speaker 1: more should have been done by now, and quite frankly

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Speaker 1: it could have been um sixteen years since the two

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Speaker 1: thousand one when we first went in, is not that

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Speaker 1: much time when you think about the absence of institutions

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Speaker 1: uh and and institutional culture, and so hopefully with this,

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Speaker 1: it's that idea that by having this this it's not

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Speaker 1: simply about that having a few more forces there that

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Speaker 1: enable you to do things better. It's also about the

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Speaker 1: ability of those forces to give confidence to Afghan politicians

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Speaker 1: that the United States is not going any time soon,

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Speaker 1: that we are there in some fashion for the long term.

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Speaker 1: And so, you know, the counter the countervailing perspective to

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Speaker 1: to what President Obama did and withdrawing US forces from

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Speaker 1: Iraq in late two thousand and eleven, and then the

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Speaker 1: problems that that created in terms of saying to the

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Speaker 1: Iraqi politicians, well, the Americans are gone, so we better

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Speaker 1: just do whatever the Iranians want, because otherwise they're going

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Speaker 1: to blow us up. Um and and so that those

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Speaker 1: political dynamics matter greatly in terms of what a formative

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Speaker 1: military presence does. Just one more for you till before

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Speaker 1: we got to go into a break here. Do you

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Speaker 1: think that a negotiated peace agreement with the Taliban, some

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Speaker 1: kind of power sharing agreement with the Taliban is an acceptable,

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Speaker 1: acceptable way to end this conflict, Yes, to some degree

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Speaker 1: in it will have to be that, But but it

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Speaker 1: will have to be that on the basis that the

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Speaker 1: Taliban do not believe it can come to the understanding

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Speaker 1: that they're not going to be able to destroy Afghan

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Speaker 1: democracy or hold power in um you know, again in

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Speaker 1: major population centers. What you will see, though, I think

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Speaker 1: is a recognition You've already seen this in places like

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Speaker 1: Musa Kala in Hellman, that the Taliban have to appreciate

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Speaker 1: the fact that Afghans have become accustomed to even the

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Speaker 1: pasttoon areas um to you know, having schools and stuff,

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Speaker 1: and so there is a it's about separating those elements

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Speaker 1: of the Taliban that are realistic can be brought to

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Speaker 1: the table from the hardliners and unfortunately to somebody where

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Speaker 1: if you can say that isis arrival in Afghanistan has

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Speaker 1: actually sucked away that some of those hardline elements. But yes,

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Speaker 1: you know, diplomacy I think is practical, but we can

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Speaker 1: we have to do it from a position of strength.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Tom Rogan of the Washington Examiner, thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for great to have you as always. Thanks today,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hit a quick break. We'll be back in

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Speaker 1: a few Stay with me. Buck is back, everybody Bucks back.

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Speaker 1: It's more of America. Now throw in your two cents

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Speaker 1: one eight four four nine hundred buck. That's one eight

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Speaker 1: four four nine hundred two A two five former presidents Obama,

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Speaker 1: the ultra elitiist globetrotter. Not surprising to any of you

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Speaker 1: who have been of watching and and reading the news recently,

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Speaker 1: you've been treated to a steady stream of Obama kite surfing,

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Speaker 1: Obama hanging with Richard Branson, Obama on hundred million dollar yachts. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Now this is continuing on. It's going for going for

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Speaker 1: for six months here. Uh. And I know that immediately

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Speaker 1: from the press because they still are very defensive of

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Speaker 1: Obama and his legacy. They say, you know, what, what

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Speaker 1: difference does it make to anyone about what the former

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Speaker 1: president does in terms of his vacations. A couple of things.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Obama is going to be around and

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Speaker 1: in and intruding, involving, depending on how you want to

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Speaker 1: see it, on the political debate, involving himself in it

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Speaker 1: for decades to come. The president, he no longer has

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Speaker 1: the title of president, he's former President Obama, but he

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Speaker 1: still commands tremendous cloud the Democratic Party. And I think

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Speaker 1: you could argue, in fact that because Hillary Clinton and

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Speaker 1: the Clinton brand is so tarnished, that at a minimum,

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Speaker 1: the Obama brand has to be a placeholder in the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party, and maybe he's even kingmaker in the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party until they're able to bring someone else up. And

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Speaker 1: I know people say Elizabeth Warren or maybe Bernie Sanders again,

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Speaker 1: but they I don't think that's gonna I think Sanders

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Speaker 1: will be too old. Plus he's got a problem with

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Speaker 1: the FBI investigation right now. Who knows where that will go.

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Speaker 1: Warren just doesn't have the charisma, is just not a

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Speaker 1: national level figure. She's plagued by many of the same

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Speaker 1: problems that Hillary had as a candidate. So that they

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Speaker 1: need to bring up a a celebrity Democrat. Now that's

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Speaker 1: either someone like Obama, who is a celebrity before having

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Speaker 1: a you know, creates a famous political last name, and

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Speaker 1: look you they got credit for that at least, you know,

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Speaker 1: you can say lot about Obama. But he was the

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Speaker 1: first Obama. I mean, he wasn't oh I'm a Kennedy

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Speaker 1: vote for me, or oh m, a Clinton vote for me.

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of that, a lot of a

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Speaker 1: lot of dynasty upholding and dynasty coddling within the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party and yes, within the Republican Party to Jeb but

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Speaker 1: I think it's less pronounced. Although this is this is

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Speaker 1: an area of bipartisan criticism that I will love a lot.

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Speaker 1: I do not like. I do not like political dynasties,

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Speaker 1: and I also do not like nepotism, which is a

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Speaker 1: problem for the current administration. But I digress. But they

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Speaker 1: are looking at Obama right now. I think as the

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Speaker 1: figurehead of the Democratic Party, he's almost a president in

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Speaker 1: exile in a sense. You know, he weighed in on

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Speaker 1: the healthcare debate, which I assume is also particularly personal

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Speaker 1: for the former president, given that the health care law

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Speaker 1: that Republicans are seeking to change right now bears his name,

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Speaker 1: at least in common parlor. To know people say it's

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Speaker 1: the Affordable Care Act. Well, okay, yeah, everyone calls everyone

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Speaker 1: calls it obamacare. I mean, you can be the one

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Speaker 1: person who calls it the Affordable Care Act among your friends,

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Speaker 1: but everyone calls it Obamacare. But he weighed in very

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Speaker 1: very clearly on that one, I mean very explicitly. He

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Speaker 1: wrote that our politics are divided. They have been for

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Speaker 1: a long time. And while I know that division makes

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Speaker 1: it difficult to listen to Americans with whom we disagree,

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Speaker 1: that's what we needed you today. By the way, that

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Speaker 1: was what he wrote on Facebook about the healthcare about

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Speaker 1: the health care bill, that the Republicans are trying to

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Speaker 1: get on the same page. And I mean, I know

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Speaker 1: they've delayed now, the Senators have delayed to laughter. I

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Speaker 1: knew they would to laughter. Fourth of July. UM. But

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Speaker 1: that's the classic Obama ism. You know, I'm I'm above politics,

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Speaker 1: I'm post I'm postpartisan. Uh, and now let me bash

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Speaker 1: the political opposition. This is it was one of the

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Speaker 1: most common and unfortunately most effective, UH methods of Obama's

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Speaker 1: debate and and Obama's rhetoric wasn't really debate more rhetoric,

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Speaker 1: but in his speeches it would always be some purple

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Speaker 1: Um aren't about coming together. I'm not about working together,

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Speaker 1: and they're not about being by parson um. We should

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Speaker 1: all be bipartisan. That's why Republicans are terrible. And it

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Speaker 1: was something along those lines, right. That was a simplification,

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Speaker 1: but not really that much of a simplification because it

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Speaker 1: would usually go along those lines. But Obama is still

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Speaker 1: very much a figure in national politics in this country.

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Speaker 1: He is given tremendous deference and respect by the press. Um.

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Speaker 1: And when he weighs in on a subject, there's it's

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Speaker 1: it makes immediate news. And you have this former president

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Speaker 1: who is living this this lifestyle right now of just

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Speaker 1: incredible jets setting literally jet setting, right, I mean he

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Speaker 1: traveling everywhere on private jets and on super yachts and

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Speaker 1: hang out with celebrities of all of all kinds from

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Speaker 1: you know, the most including the most wealthy and connected

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Speaker 1: people in the world. Uh. And you know, of course

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Speaker 1: Fox News is pulled together a list of some of

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Speaker 1: what he's done Obama. This is from their site. Obama

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Speaker 1: has visited late actor Marlon Brando's private island, The Four

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Speaker 1: Seasons in Bali or rooms costs upward of two thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars a night, a Palm Springs estate, Sir Richard Branson's

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Speaker 1: Necker Island, the exclusive Mid Pacific country club in Oahu,

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Speaker 1: the Century Borgo Finocchieta and Tuscany, and the Rising Sun

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Speaker 1: Hollywood Studio mogul David Geffen's private yacht. So Obama is

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Speaker 1: obviously enjoying his time out of office, and look, the

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Speaker 1: guy was present for eight years. Clearly it's a stressful job.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't begrudge anybody there free time and

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Speaker 1: what the what the free market will bear in terms

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Speaker 1: of where they want to spend their money, and that's

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Speaker 1: all fine. But I do think that this is a reminder,

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Speaker 1: uh and really further evidence of the thesis that some

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Speaker 1: of us were sharing and expounding on and and uh

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01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: well putting forward for a number of years, and that

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01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 1: is that Obama is truly a celebrity president. And now

1482
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: obviously Donald Trump is as well. So let's just get

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01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 1: that out there right away. But there was always this

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01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 1: pretense that Obama was the brilliant philosopher, professor president, and

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01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: I never saw any real evidence of that based on

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01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 1: his time in office. The guy can give a good

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01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 1: prepared speech. I think he was very, you know, mediocre

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01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:43,719
Speaker 1: to weak in debate, not particularly good on his feet,

1489
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 1: not an impressive extemporaneous speaker, good at giving a prepared speech,

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01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 1: does have a personal charisma, but that reminds me much

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01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 1: more of Hollywood actor than it does of what we

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01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: think of generally speaking as a statesman. Now, again, you

1493
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:03,640
Speaker 1: can say very similar things about Trump, but I'm not

1494
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm not going to pretend that Trump is not also

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01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 1: a celebrity. I mean, the guy ran a show called

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01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: The Celebrity Apprentice for for heck's sake, you know, I mean,

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01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 1: I get it. But uh, the differences with Obama. We

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01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: were led to believe there was this this make believe

1499
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 1: game with the media, that he was all substance and

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01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:26,599
Speaker 1: it wasn't about style, And I think the opposite is true.

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01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 1: He was a lot of style and and and really

1502
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 1: very little on the substance as a commander in chief

1503
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 1: and as a statesman, or at least, he was well

1504
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: below the the stories and the assessments we would hear

1505
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 1: from the media in terms of his acumen and his

1506
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 1: ability to lead and his his skill in office. So, uh,

1507
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: what we see here with this traveling all over the

1508
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,640
Speaker 1: world is a reminder to a lot of us that

1509
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 1: this is really the individual who was president for eight years.

1510
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 1: It's a guy who has an incredibly high opinion of himself,

1511
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: has always been I think, just so glaringly lacking in humility. Uh.

1512
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 1: And unlike Trump. I mean, I think Trump's brand is

1513
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:14,600
Speaker 1: that he's brash and he's talks about how awesome he is. Uh.

1514
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 1: And no one pretends otherwise. With Obama. You'll notice no

1515
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 1: one ever said that that he well, I shouldn't say

1516
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 1: no one, but that the press never ran overall with

1517
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 1: the storyline that this is a really arrogant guy who

1518
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,679
Speaker 1: is out of touch with people, with with normal people,

1519
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 1: with everyday people, and he would talk about the folks

1520
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 1: and the folks I like the folks and help the

1521
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:39,879
Speaker 1: folks in the middle class. And Obama doesn't seem particularly

1522
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,759
Speaker 1: in touch with or even comfortable around middle class folks.

1523
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: In fact, all we see him doing is the really

1524
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 1: the the the coastal elitist dream of a post presidential life,

1525
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 1: which is just hanging out with the richest of the rich,

1526
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 1: the most connected people possible in traveling in incredible and

1527
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: I should not it's still taxpayer assisted in the sense

1528
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 1: that he's got a security detail of secret Service and

1529
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 1: all that, uh, traveling an incredible luxury and extravagance, and

1530
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 1: he is, for I think a lot of Democrats viewed

1531
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 1: as a sort of president, not an exile, but a president,

1532
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 1: an alternative presidency without the powers, but still with the

1533
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, the moral force or something. I mean, however

1534
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 1: you want to want to phrase it. But looking at

1535
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: the choices that he makes and and the way that

1536
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 1: he conducts himself in a post presidential environment, post presidency environment, uh,

1537
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 1: it's quite clear to me that Obama really is a

1538
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 1: an elitist and isn't comfortable dealing with the problems of

1539
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 1: just your everyday average American and has really found himself

1540
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 1: to be distanced from distance from that for a long time.

1541
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 1: You know, community He was a community organizer right now,

1542
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: and people say, well, doesn't he have uh connectivity to

1543
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 1: the common common people from that, you know, to the

1544
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 1: common folks in the realities, I think that was always

1545
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 1: just a vehicle for his own advancement. Uh. You know,

1546
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 1: he left that whole community organizer thing behind really quickly

1547
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 1: to chase personal political power. So there are a lot

1548
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 1: of ways. You can see this, I know, and I'm

1549
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: clearly not favorably disposed towards Obama, but I think we

1550
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 1: are getting a sense now that he doesn't have to

1551
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 1: go through the go through the pretense anymore of being

1552
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: a man of the people, which all politicians do on

1553
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:28,000
Speaker 1: one level or another. There's a lot, a lot of

1554
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 1: them pretending that they're all just a guy you want to,

1555
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 1: you know, have a have a sandwich and a beer

1556
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 1: with um. But with Obama, I mean, this guy is

1557
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 1: a He's a super elitist. Uh. He is an elitist

1558
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 1: in a way that I could see, you know, him

1559
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:45,799
Speaker 1: teaming up with Gwyneth Paltrow on some kind of project

1560
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 1: in the future, you know. I mean, that wouldn't surprise

1561
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:50,919
Speaker 1: me all that much. And meanwhile, he's the most respected

1562
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 1: man in the Democrat Party. Still no question. Alright, team,

1563
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit a break here, We'll be back. Uh,

1564
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 1: stay with me. Trump Care would send her to Mexico

1565
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 1: for birth control. That is the title of a CNN

1566
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 1: piece I know CNN once again, a CNN piece that

1567
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 1: has gotten some attention from those who are watching this

1568
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 1: whole healthcare debate. Very closely and it's it's what you

1569
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: would expect at this point in time from the media.

1570
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 1: You will see many stories of people that are sympathetic

1571
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 1: who have had health problems, and of course the hero

1572
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: and the story is going to be planned parenthood. And

1573
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 1: in this case, this story is about a woman named

1574
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 1: Arianna Gonzalez and how she and her husband want birth

1575
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 1: want birth control, and she says that if Obamacare becomes law,

1576
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 1: she will drive to Mexico. She lives in California, in

1577
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 1: southern California. If Obamacare becomes lost, she will have to

1578
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 1: drive to Mexico for birth control. Now, as you no

1579
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 1: doubt no, birth control is in its simplest form, of course,

1580
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 1: available not just in any drug store, but in any

1581
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:18,640
Speaker 1: number of places across the country that sell I mean

1582
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:22,679
Speaker 1: it's not just drug stores, but even in tobacco shops

1583
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 1: will carry not the pill, but will carry a form

1584
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 1: of birth control. But usually for birth control you go

1585
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 1: to you know, Walgreens or CVS or one of the

1586
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:37,679
Speaker 1: whatever pharmacy is near you. Uh, it's not necessary beyond

1587
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 1: getting the initial prescription, uh, to go see a doctor.

1588
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 1: So she's claiming here or rather, this story gives you

1589
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:48,680
Speaker 1: a lot of background on this, on this woman. Uh,

1590
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 1: And as I said, she there's sympathetic much that to

1591
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 1: her story that you'd be sympathetic to. Um, she was

1592
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: told by a doctor she was pregnant at fifteen, She

1593
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:00,040
Speaker 1: was told by doctor she could have an abor, and

1594
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 1: she chose not to which I have to say I

1595
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 1: applaud her for making the right decision as a very

1596
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 1: young person who I'm sure it was quite scared and

1597
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 1: had regret over some decision making in that process leading

1598
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 1: up to the decision to choose life, of course, but

1599
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 1: I mean before that, um. But they talk about how

1600
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 1: she then had a number of problems with their pregnancy

1601
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 1: and and planned parent who keeps coming up in the

1602
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:34,560
Speaker 1: context in the story of providing necessary medical services for

1603
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 1: a woman. And as I read the story, I just

1604
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: kept thinking to myself, it doesn't make the core case

1605
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 1: here about what planned parenthood really does and what it

1606
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 1: refuses to stop doing and that has performed abortions, And

1607
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 1: if we're going to have people making this case in

1608
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 1: the media, And of course the media is pro choice,

1609
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 1: maybe even more maybe maybe ninety eight I don't know,

1610
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:02,760
Speaker 1: but the media is more more pro choice, I would

1611
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: arg unit is even uh democrat in the sense that

1612
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:12,919
Speaker 1: they are absolutely unified in being pro pro planned parenthood,

1613
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 1: pro uh pro choice. And this is also, by the way,

1614
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 1: the reason that you see very little coverage of the

1615
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:25,320
Speaker 1: clearly politicized chargers that have been filed against a journalist

1616
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 1: for doing undercover journalism against planned parenthood in California David

1617
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 1: delayed in UM. They're refiling those charges now after the

1618
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 1: charges were rescinded, so they're still going after them. That's

1619
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:39,879
Speaker 1: obviously political persecution, but the media usually would be defending

1620
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 1: undercover journalists or undercover journalists. In this case, though, they're

1621
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 1: leaving him high and dry because of course he went

1622
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:51,560
Speaker 1: after the sacred planned parenthood. Uh So. But back to

1623
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 1: this CNN story. Uh, it is on its face ridiculous

1624
01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 1: that somebody would choose to go to Mexico for birth

1625
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 1: control when they live in the United States and there

1626
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 1: are obviously providers as well as health care I'm sorry,

1627
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 1: health care centers, and also of course drug stores, which

1628
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 1: is all you need for birth control unless you plan

1629
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 1: on getting a new prosecutor. You have to get a

1630
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 1: a new prescription and visit with the doctor every time.

1631
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 1: But usually they just renew a prescription if you need

1632
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 1: them to so UH, and the prescription is not for

1633
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,879
Speaker 1: every month. So I'm I'm confused as to the urgency

1634
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 1: of the need to see a doctor for birth control here.

1635
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 1: But once again, notice how we're talking about UH birth

1636
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 1: control and not abortions, which is what Planned Parenthood is

1637
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:44,639
Speaker 1: most concerned with. And there are some very interesting numbers

1638
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:46,680
Speaker 1: that came up in the course of this piece that

1639
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 1: I don't think will necessarily have the impact. Will depends

1640
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 1: on the reader, but it doesn't strengthen the case that

1641
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 1: Planned Parenthood should be funded by the federal government UM

1642
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 1: A D. According to cnnps of patients who go to

1643
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 1: Planned Parenthood in California are on Medicaid. So almost nine

1644
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,600
Speaker 1: out of ten people who go to Planned parent And

1645
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 1: in California are UH qualify for health care welfare, which

1646
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 1: is what Medicaid is. And they we know that the

1647
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:23,280
Speaker 1: primary business of Planned Parenthood is in fact, abortions, and

1648
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 1: so why why are we to think anything other than

1649
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 1: your tax dollars are going to fund this procedure. UM

1650
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 1: that that is just the reality, and that Planned Parenthood

1651
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 1: and other organizations pretend that anything else is true is

1652
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 1: just a really vile and obvious lie. UM. But this

1653
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 1: is a central, a central foundational aspect of the Democratic

1654
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:53,479
Speaker 1: Party UM, to be to be making abortion legal, uh,

1655
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 1: and to be really pro abortion. I mean this is

1656
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 1: in order to to justify organization. Is like Planned parent

1657
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 1: You do have organizations that pretend to be feminist or

1658
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 1: are progressive feminist organizations in some capacity, and they'll even

1659
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 1: celebrate abortion, which is truly one of the most evil

1660
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 1: and uh discussing things one I think could ever come

1661
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 1: up with. But there are those who have even gone

1662
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 1: that far. Now that's not mainstream, but that does happen UM.

1663
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 1: But it's just such an it's such an exercise and

1664
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 1: propaganda to read. To see an npiece about a woman

1665
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 1: who's saying she's going to go to Mexico for healthcare

1666
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 1: because Planned parents whould be would be defunded. There are

1667
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 1: many times the number of community health centers that don't

1668
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 1: perform abortions as there are planned parenthoods. The money that

1669
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 1: Planned Parenthood does not get, assuming that this Republican bill

1670
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:49,599
Speaker 1: goes through UM, could easily be transferred to those health

1671
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 1: organizations so that they have more resources and greater staffing UM.

1672
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 1: But more to the point. Plan Parents could just say

1673
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 1: we're not going to perform abortions anymore, and then the

1674
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 1: whole debate goes away and they could leave this to

1675
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:03,640
Speaker 1: be a private service. But no, the Democratic Party and

1676
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 1: Planned parent would insist on you paying for abortions. Um.

1677
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 1: They make us all complicit in this because our tax

1678
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 1: dollars are going to it. And you know what, one

1679
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:16,560
Speaker 1: day we're told, oh, Planned Parenthood is self sustaining, it

1680
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 1: doesn't really need government funds, especially for abortions. And the

1681
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:21,599
Speaker 1: next day we're told, well, if they pull government funds,

1682
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:24,400
Speaker 1: the whole thing shuts down. Well, which is it? They

1683
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:27,600
Speaker 1: just lie and change the story and are in this

1684
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 1: constant game of of hiding the truth from us. Because

1685
01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 1: I think there is somewhere deep down, at least in

1686
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 1: the minds of some left is some Democrats are recognition

1687
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:40,320
Speaker 1: that the day will come when the American people will

1688
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:42,719
Speaker 1: look around and said it themselves. How did we allow

1689
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 1: this to continue for as long as we did? How

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01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,000
Speaker 1: was this the law of the land post Roe v.

1691
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 1: Wade Uh not changed by the courts and funded by

1692
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 1: our tax dollars for decades? This mass slaughter of the unborn,

1693
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 1: it's true, it's truly horrifying. Um, but they're telling stories

1694
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 1: about it like there's nothing wrong with planned parent at all,

1695
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1698
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Speaker 1: including a prion. I want to tell you about that

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Speaker 1: Shields high chronic wasting disease. It's a terrifying sounding condition

1704
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 1: for something that we don't really know very much about.

1705
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 1: Largely affects animals, but we have concerns about how it

1706
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 1: could perhaps become a greater problem for human beings, and

1707
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 1: it has properties that for many of you will sound

1708
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:04,600
Speaker 1: similar to the plot of a zombie movie. It is

1709
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:10,360
Speaker 1: incredibly difficult to prevent transmission of it among animals, It

1710
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:14,880
Speaker 1: is untreatable, it is fatal, and it is even hard

1711
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:21,680
Speaker 1: to kill with fire. Uh. This is a a scientific

1712
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 1: monster that we are just beginning to learn more about. Now,

1713
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 1: let me talk to you, let me tell you about

1714
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 1: where this all comes from. So, chronic wasting disease is

1715
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:35,519
Speaker 1: the condition, and currently the National Park Service UH is

1716
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:40,560
Speaker 1: watching how it plays out in Arkansas and Colorado with

1717
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 1: herds of elk, and they are trying to figure out

1718
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 1: a way to prevent the further spread of this because

1719
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 1: chronic wasting disease and animals causes them to slowly have

1720
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 1: a not that slowly, but it's a progressive UH neuro

1721
01:37:56,280 --> 01:38:01,040
Speaker 1: neuro neurological disease that is degenerative, and so they lose

1722
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:04,400
Speaker 1: all neurological function. The animals have a droopy head, glassy eyes,

1723
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 1: frothy at the mouth, and then they just eventually die UH.

1724
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:12,160
Speaker 1: And it's a it's a slow and painful and terrible death.

1725
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 1: And once the animal dies, further infection as possible, even

1726
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:22,760
Speaker 1: from the decomposing body. Because chronic wasting disease does not

1727
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 1: come from a bacteria or a virus, although it has

1728
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 1: it's similar in its transmission in some ways and its

1729
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:36,599
Speaker 1: replication to a virus. It comes from something called a prion. Now,

1730
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:40,160
Speaker 1: if you've never heard of a priyon before, I promise

1731
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:42,680
Speaker 1: you you're you're not alone. I just learned about it

1732
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 1: myself this week, and the more I read about it,

1733
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:47,800
Speaker 1: the more I just found it to be fascinating and

1734
01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 1: really unsettling. A prion is a malformed or deformed protein.

1735
01:38:54,960 --> 01:39:00,800
Speaker 1: Now it's a portmanteau between protein and in affection. So

1736
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 1: that's where you get pry on. It's put puts pro

1737
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:07,200
Speaker 1: protein and infection together into into pray on and is

1738
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 1: also short for a pro proteinaceous infectious particle. So it's

1739
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 1: able to propagate itself. But like I said, it is

1740
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 1: not a It is not technically speaking, a virus or

1741
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 1: a bacteria. It's not a living organism. It is a protein, uh.

1742
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 1: And what it does is it formed. It forces it

1743
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 1: forces other proteins to become similarly uh deformed, and it

1744
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 1: has a an effect on the central nervous system, essentially

1745
01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:44,679
Speaker 1: infects essential nervous system. And I'm sure you've you've heard

1746
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:50,519
Speaker 1: of this before, this process before, most famously in what

1747
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 1: is called mad cow disease, which is one of what

1748
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:58,759
Speaker 1: are called t s e S or transmissible sponge aform

1749
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:03,600
Speaker 1: and set poelopathyse t S E S now all t

1750
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:07,600
Speaker 1: s S in human beings. These transmissible sponge ofform and

1751
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:12,800
Speaker 1: sep and cephalopathys are completely impossible to treat so far,

1752
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 1: and they are fatal, and this is why there was

1753
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:22,160
Speaker 1: such fear over the possibility of transmission from cows to

1754
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:24,799
Speaker 1: human beings. And you've seen efforts to try and prevent

1755
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:31,280
Speaker 1: this UH from spreading within livestock populations, but it exists

1756
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:34,400
Speaker 1: right now in in wild populations as well. The National

1757
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 1: Park Service in this country is trying to look at

1758
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 1: ways to stop this. You see that this spread which

1759
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:46,479
Speaker 1: was initially thought to just result from close contact perhaps

1760
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 1: in the in the waste matter, and other means of

1761
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 1: the same way the lot of diseases are spread. Remember,

1762
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:57,160
Speaker 1: this is from a protein, not a a a living

1763
01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:01,439
Speaker 1: organism like a virus or a bacteria. In a sense,

1764
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:06,800
Speaker 1: this is just it's it's like a very advanced form

1765
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 1: of a poisoning. But the cadaver itself can spread a

1766
01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 1: prion because when the body dies, prion particles or prion

1767
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 1: proteins are incredibly durable, which is part of why it

1768
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:26,760
Speaker 1: has been now documented officially in twenty four states and

1769
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:31,440
Speaker 1: animal populations in this country, and it's it's constantly expanding,

1770
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:36,560
Speaker 1: and biologists who are watching this closely estimate that in

1771
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 1: some herds there can be about fifty of the population

1772
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:46,360
Speaker 1: has UH prions. They carry prions, So they're looking at

1773
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:48,599
Speaker 1: this much more close and now they ever have before,

1774
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 1: because it's becoming a worse problem. And like I said,

1775
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:55,600
Speaker 1: like I said, it's it's growing within these populations, and

1776
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:58,559
Speaker 1: the greater the population that has this, not only will

1777
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 1: that UH possible decimate some of our our wildlife populations

1778
01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:06,760
Speaker 1: of elk and other herd animals, but also the moment

1779
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 1: that this becomes more transmissible into human populations, of course,

1780
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 1: people will be understandably deeply concerned about this because we

1781
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:21,200
Speaker 1: have no treatment for it, and once infected, its fatal.

1782
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:25,760
Speaker 1: As often though before I get everybody in too much

1783
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:29,519
Speaker 1: of a panic here, as only two hundred and thirty

1784
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:35,400
Speaker 1: one people have developed the condition from eating beef from

1785
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 1: cows who had prions in their own brains, So you've

1786
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:42,000
Speaker 1: only had a couple of hundred people around the world

1787
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 1: die from this, which still makes it an incredibly rare

1788
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:51,599
Speaker 1: disease for human beings. UH scrapy is what you call

1789
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:55,320
Speaker 1: this when it's in sheep by the way, UM and

1790
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:58,759
Speaker 1: it's UH. And that's now they're looking at the different

1791
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:02,639
Speaker 1: interspeed she's transmission of this because dear get it, sheep,

1792
01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 1: get it. Elk as well can can have this prion

1793
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:11,880
Speaker 1: condition UM. And where it was once thought that this UH,

1794
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:16,760
Speaker 1: this protein particle that remember causes UH causes death. I

1795
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 1: mean in all cases, was only limited to the brain,

1796
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:24,560
Speaker 1: which is how you get to the UH cognitive and

1797
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:30,679
Speaker 1: neuro UH neurological disorder aspects of this UM. It's also

1798
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 1: now found in the lymph nodes and the spleen of deer, elk,

1799
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:39,920
Speaker 1: and moose populations. So the ways to deal with this

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01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:41,600
Speaker 1: this is this is where you start to see how

1801
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 1: this can be. You know, this is a real problem

1802
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 1: that has to be tackled and scientists are looking at

1803
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 1: this closely and not having that much success. Is that

1804
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:56,919
Speaker 1: to successfully kill prions in a in a laboratory environment,

1805
01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:02,160
Speaker 1: scientists have to heat any tools that are in contact

1806
01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 1: the primes to six hundred degrees celsius. That's over thousand

1807
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:10,880
Speaker 1: degrees fahrenheit. Those of you who are used to bacteria,

1808
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:14,880
Speaker 1: UM that you know if you boil something, it's very

1809
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:18,280
Speaker 1: likely that you've killed the bacteria off. And UH. Certainly

1810
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:20,799
Speaker 1: with virus, there are some viruses that depends some viruses

1811
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:23,640
Speaker 1: are barely even able to survive in the air for

1812
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:27,400
Speaker 1: very long. Others are you know, air transmissible um. But

1813
01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:30,439
Speaker 1: it's it's rare to come across a particle like this

1814
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:34,240
Speaker 1: that has infectious properties that has to be six hundred

1815
01:44:34,280 --> 01:44:37,400
Speaker 1: degrees celsius. I mean that's that what that means. And

1816
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:39,840
Speaker 1: this is where you get into another I think very

1817
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:44,160
Speaker 1: interesting and disconcerting part of this whole discussion is that

1818
01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:47,560
Speaker 1: it's not enough to uh, not enough to boil, and

1819
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:52,400
Speaker 1: it's not even enough to necessarily expose prions to fire.

1820
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:57,160
Speaker 1: So when you want to prevent the continued spread of

1821
01:44:57,400 --> 01:45:02,040
Speaker 1: this protein plague, which does when you see the photos

1822
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 1: too of deer and other animals that have this chronic

1823
01:45:04,360 --> 01:45:08,000
Speaker 1: wasting disease, which is just the name for infection with

1824
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:13,400
Speaker 1: prion uh, it's they are. They look zombie like and

1825
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:17,519
Speaker 1: there is a a continuation of this and almost a

1826
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:20,960
Speaker 1: feeling that this is like the the undead uh coming

1827
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:25,400
Speaker 1: back because even when the animal is killed by the disease,

1828
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 1: you know, generally speaking, there's a pretty short period. It's

1829
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:31,600
Speaker 1: hard to get infected by a dead body. I know

1830
01:45:31,720 --> 01:45:34,800
Speaker 1: you can with different diseases, but it's hard to be

1831
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:38,559
Speaker 1: infected with the dead body because the bacteria, the other uh,

1832
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:43,360
Speaker 1: the living organisms on the on that tissue will will

1833
01:45:43,400 --> 01:45:47,800
Speaker 1: go away as well over time, whereas with Brian's they

1834
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:50,519
Speaker 1: think it could last years, maybe even decades. So after

1835
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 1: the body has entirely decomposed, I'm not talking about a

1836
01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:57,160
Speaker 1: body that's still warmer. That's only you know, a deer

1837
01:45:57,200 --> 01:46:00,200
Speaker 1: carcass that's only been around for a day or two. Um,

1838
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:03,360
Speaker 1: bacteria can continue obviously, there's bacteria that go into the

1839
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:08,080
Speaker 1: decomposition process, and and depending on the depending on the

1840
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:12,280
Speaker 1: specific ep epidemiological problem we're talking about here, sure it

1841
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:15,960
Speaker 1: could last for a while. The contagious properties of of

1842
01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:19,679
Speaker 1: even dead bodies can continue on for some period of time.

1843
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:23,599
Speaker 1: But with prions, even if you light the body on fire,

1844
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:25,960
Speaker 1: now I'm thinking about a game of Thrones, you know,

1845
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:30,200
Speaker 1: how you have to deal with the uh, anybody who's

1846
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:32,479
Speaker 1: been infected by the White Walkers, You've got to light

1847
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:34,599
Speaker 1: the body on fire. Us will come back. Even if

1848
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:37,599
Speaker 1: you were to burn the deer carcass, they wouldn't necessarily

1849
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:39,840
Speaker 1: kill the prins. So now they're thinking about as a

1850
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:42,519
Speaker 1: means of controlling this in the populations as it continues

1851
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:45,120
Speaker 1: to spread. And remember, scientists, are they just named this

1852
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:47,280
Speaker 1: thing back in the in the eighties. This is a

1853
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:51,880
Speaker 1: relatively new phenomenon. Uh, they just named prions in the eighties.

1854
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:55,559
Speaker 1: They're still studying it. They don't really understand why it's

1855
01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:58,680
Speaker 1: transmitting more in some populations of animals than others. They

1856
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:01,680
Speaker 1: don't really understand where it can be found in the

1857
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:04,559
Speaker 1: tissue of the animals and what animals have it where.

1858
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:08,040
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of still needs to be figured

1859
01:47:08,120 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 1: out here in order to try and control this. Uh,

1860
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:17,360
Speaker 1: they're continue there. They're considering controlled burns. They're essentially setting

1861
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:21,760
Speaker 1: forest fires in some areas that are controlled obviously, not

1862
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:25,960
Speaker 1: because it even can kill the prion, but because it

1863
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:30,120
Speaker 1: will get rid of the the grass and the other

1864
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:34,560
Speaker 1: things that might be assisting in the transmission of the

1865
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:38,920
Speaker 1: dead bodies from the prions. When essentially a deer dies

1866
01:47:39,240 --> 01:47:43,080
Speaker 1: and then as it wastes away and it decomposes, the

1867
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:47,439
Speaker 1: prion infects the surrounding grass and seeps into the ground,

1868
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:50,240
Speaker 1: and so other deer come along, and this is how

1869
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:54,760
Speaker 1: they get exposed to this continuous pryon infection. They eat

1870
01:47:54,840 --> 01:47:58,960
Speaker 1: that grass. Now they have the pryon infection and so

1871
01:47:59,120 --> 01:48:01,320
Speaker 1: on and so forth. So this is one concern about

1872
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:06,639
Speaker 1: how this is spread. And they UM are thinking about

1873
01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:09,240
Speaker 1: just burning essentially burning down the forest and the grass

1874
01:48:09,280 --> 01:48:12,360
Speaker 1: and the trees in some areas just to stop this

1875
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:16,000
Speaker 1: from continuing to spread. Now, and I know we're talking

1876
01:48:16,040 --> 01:48:18,000
Speaker 1: a lot here about how to prevent the spread of

1877
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:20,280
Speaker 1: this between animals. I do want to note, as I said,

1878
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:23,920
Speaker 1: it is still very rare in people. There are forms

1879
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:28,200
Speaker 1: of prion diseases you can get that there's a genetic

1880
01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:31,679
Speaker 1: predisposition to UM. The most common pron disease that affects

1881
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:34,439
Speaker 1: humans is called c j D or kreuz Felt Jacob

1882
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:39,760
Speaker 1: disease UM. But you can get it from eating infected

1883
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:42,639
Speaker 1: meat from an animal with prion. That's why the spread

1884
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:45,840
Speaker 1: of this among her populations in the United States is

1885
01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:48,360
Speaker 1: of concern to all of us. But it is still

1886
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:51,439
Speaker 1: very rare. There are only all in each year in

1887
01:48:51,479 --> 01:48:54,760
Speaker 1: the United States, there're only a few hundred cases of

1888
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:57,679
Speaker 1: prion disease. You can also get it from infected instruments

1889
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:02,479
Speaker 1: during a and a an operation. UM. But like I said,

1890
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:06,200
Speaker 1: very it is very very rare. UM. But when you

1891
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:09,360
Speaker 1: see this problem continue to spread among animal populations. Of course,

1892
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:13,439
Speaker 1: people are gonna ask very important and relevant questions like, Okay,

1893
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:15,559
Speaker 1: well this is rare, but will it always be rare?

1894
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:18,360
Speaker 1: What happens if this gets into the broader animal population?

1895
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:21,200
Speaker 1: How do we prevent transmission? It? Can we work on treatments?

1896
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:23,640
Speaker 1: But mostly also, I just wanted to learn about this

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Speaker 1: to eradicate, called a prion. So I just think of

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Speaker 1: this as a little uh science deep dive today. Team,

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with a very interesting wrestler in just

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Speaker 1: a minute. Stay we gain. I know this is kind

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Speaker 1: of random, but I gotta say I love this. This

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Speaker 1: is so fun. So I I used to watch when

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Speaker 1: I was a kid. Um, I did watch some professional wrestling.

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Speaker 1: I was. I was a fan of Hulk Hogan and

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Speaker 1: you know under the giant macho man Randy Savage. I

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Speaker 1: watched definitely a few WrestleManias when it was the WWF

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Speaker 1: before the World Wildlife Fund brought suit and it then

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Speaker 1: had to become the w w E for World Wrestling Entertainment.

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Speaker 1: I can't say that I've watched any professional wrestling in

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Speaker 1: in probably this point. A couple of decades, but I'm

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Speaker 1: familiar with it and I get it as as fun entertainment.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, when I was younger, I I

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Speaker 1: enjoyed watching some some of that w W uh F

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Speaker 1: stuff and Hulk Hogan all the rest of it. But

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Speaker 1: there's this character, and this is at a smaller level.

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Speaker 1: It's it's the Appellation Mountain Wrestling Organization, you know, which

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Speaker 1: is it's like a more minor leagues of professional wrestling.

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Speaker 1: But there's a character h called the the Progressive Liberal. Now,

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Speaker 1: now he's obviously a heel, right there are there's the

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Speaker 1: face and there's the heel. The face is the good

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Speaker 1: guy in wrestling. The heels the guy that everybody loves

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Speaker 1: to hate. But the fact that this wrestler organization has

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Speaker 1: a guy named the Progressive Liberal who shows up wearing

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Speaker 1: I love this who shows up wearing not My President

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Speaker 1: T shirts and also sometimes just shows up with a

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Speaker 1: T shirt to his wrestling match. That's just a collage

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Speaker 1: of Hillary Clinton photos. It's pretty amazing. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: play a little bit of what this guy uh sounds

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Speaker 1: like when he shows up. This is the Progressive Liberal,

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Speaker 1: a wrestler, a professional wrestler in the Appalachian Mountain. Uh league. Um,

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Speaker 1: and here here he is the progressive liberal. You continually

1933
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Speaker 1: vote against your own interests. You put people in Congress

1934
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Speaker 1: in the White House that aren't going to help you.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to bring your jobs back. So what

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Speaker 1: let me tell you what the progressive liberal Daniel Richards

1937
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Speaker 1: is going to do. We're gonna reprogram you. We're gonna

1938
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Speaker 1: re educate you. We're going to teach a re and right.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna help you get jobs with clean energy. It

1940
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Speaker 1: was applage apple lait. Let me ask you something. Where

1941
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Speaker 1: do you live in a holler? Yeah? No, do you

1942
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Speaker 1: live in a hollow? Mellow? So I think I think

1943
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Speaker 1: you get the basics here from the progressive liberal who's

1944
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Speaker 1: now a wrestler. Uh. He likes to he likes to

1945
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Speaker 1: correct people. He likes to lecture that, he likes to

1946
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Speaker 1: correct the way they pronounce things. He likes to lecture

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Speaker 1: them on politics. He says that the the audience needs

1948
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Speaker 1: to be reprogrammed. Um, and he just gets this smarmie leftist,

1949
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Speaker 1: condescending uh liberal elite. He just got it, man, He's

1950
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Speaker 1: he's totally nailed it. And what a great character from

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Speaker 1: the modern era. I wonder if this guy might be

1952
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Speaker 1: able to, you know, make make the deep into the

1953
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Speaker 1: big leagues. I'd say he's not a particularly you know,

1954
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Speaker 1: by wrestler standards, not a particularly big or or a

1955
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Speaker 1: buff dude. Um. But but he's got a great character here.

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Speaker 1: You know, I know it's you know, you people need

1957
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Speaker 1: to be pre reprogrammed. You you vote against your interests

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Speaker 1: you uh. And I'm sure that he just gets those

1959
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Speaker 1: those booze from the audience at the uh at the

1960
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Speaker 1: at the Appalachian Mountain Wrestling Organization in Kentucky. So, I

1961
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Speaker 1: don't know, I just thought this was I thought this

1962
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Speaker 1: was pretty fun. The progressive liberal is now a bad

1963
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Speaker 1: guy in the wrestling world. Um. And certainly it's all

1964
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Speaker 1: too real, all too real a character for many of

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Speaker 1: us when it comes to the media and their attitudes

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Speaker 1: towards the rest of the country. Yeah. So anyway, thank

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Speaker 1: you very much for letting me have a little a

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Speaker 1: little fun there for a moment um team. Please do

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