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Speaker 1: She'd probably have somebody look at that. This is view

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Speaker 1: from the rafters, behind the scenes with the Boston Celtics

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Speaker 1: and guys. I cannot believe we're finally here. You've just

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Speaker 1: witnessed history, because after twelve years of talking about it,

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Speaker 1: we're finally gonna be about it and jump headfirst into

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Speaker 1: the podcast space. We're doing it with a star cast

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Speaker 1: of hosts and I'm definitely not talking about me. We've

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Speaker 1: got Kendrick Perkins, former Celtics champion and current rising star

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Speaker 1: in the media industry as we've talked about before. We've

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Speaker 1: got former Celtics sideline reporter and current Celtics studio hosts

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Speaker 1: for NBC Sports Boston Abbey Chin, and last, but certainly

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Speaker 1: not least, long time voice of the Boston Celtics Shawn Grandy.

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Speaker 1: We've got everyone here on this first step, so to

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Speaker 1: with perk twelve years ago, I was standing in your

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Speaker 1: How the hell did we wind up here with you

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Speaker 1: I hand that this is where we're at. Did I

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Speaker 1: did I even answer you a question? Did you listen?

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Speaker 1: When I needed an answer? I went through your locker

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Speaker 1: because you were always going to tell us straight Oh

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Speaker 1: so that's what happened, you know, Listen. We always used

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Speaker 1: to talk about it. That's what you were always a

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Speaker 1: big perk because KG wasn't doing interviews. Okay, I give

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Speaker 1: you for this podcast, because this Celtics podcast is going

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Speaker 1: And we weren't started this podcast three years ago. If

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Speaker 1: you just be able to figure out Google Chrome right right, look,

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Speaker 1: good at emails. I'm not good at none of that

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Speaker 1: tick talking and Twitter Okay, I'm pretty good at Twitter,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not good at all of the stuff. Don't

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Speaker 1: tell yourself short great at Twitter? I'm old. So well,

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Speaker 1: let's tell everyone what this thing is all about, folks.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna give you a view of this organization. It's history,

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Speaker 1: it's stories, it's legends from a perspective that you guys

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Speaker 1: of this? So we're like, Baby's like, yeah, what's that

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Speaker 1: So now everybody like, okay, let's get it. So KG

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Speaker 1: is that he never lied to me ever. Ever, And

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Speaker 1: you don't find general managers. You don't find guys with

429
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Speaker 1: his role that that's in his role that keep it

430
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Speaker 1: straight with you. You used to always tell me, I'm

431
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Speaker 1: going out to scout and I'm going to find somebody

432
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 1: that's better than you. Right, that's his job, Rondo, I'm

433
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: gonna find someone that's better than you. Like, he would

434
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Speaker 1: never lie. He was he was always honest and he's

435
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 1: a great man. Like if he genuinely he genuinely cares

436
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: about you, like as a person, then then I have

437
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: phone conversations all the time about life, not basketball, about

438
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 1: life like basketball is secondary to what goes on and

439
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 1: everyday live, everyday life. He's a mentor to me personally

440
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: because we relate on a lot of things. Danny Age

441
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: outside of basketball is one of the best human beings

442
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Speaker 1: in the world. Danny Age has come and sat down

443
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Speaker 1: with me on a bus ride. Mark to me, I mean,

444
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: I am not an important person. He has taken time

445
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 1: out to come seek me out on a bus ride

446
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: and ask me about my life and where I'm going

447
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: and what I want to accomplish and my family and whatnot.

448
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: Why does Danny Ainge care about this? It's just who

449
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 1: he is. But these are some of the things that

450
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: we want to dive into and talking to him and

451
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: learning about him as the person um and maybe not

452
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 1: necessarily the things that everyone knows on the outside granty.

453
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: You've known him for a really long time. What stands

454
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 1: out to you about Danny Inge Um that that might

455
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: not be you know out there in the public. That

456
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 1: the same mischievous intellectual curiosity that he had when we

457
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: first saw him as a player, that he carries that

458
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: with him today. And I think there's two things I

459
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 1: think what you're what you're hitting at, Mark, is that

460
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 1: if he's had that conversation with you, he's had it

461
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: with me, he's had it with Perk, he's had it

462
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: with everybody because he does genuinely care and he wants

463
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: to get to know you on us on a certain level.

464
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: And it's you can't fake. He'sn't doing this eighteen years,

465
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Speaker 1: eighteen years and one job, and that job in the

466
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: NBA that is a lifetime. That's insane. And when you

467
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: hear players, you can make the argument that that job

468
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: should be done at arm's length. You know, with gms

469
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: that don't travel around the team, they don't want to

470
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: get to know the players would be a part of

471
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: their lives because they have to make these tough decisions

472
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: and make cuts and trade players away. But Danny has

473
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: always thrown himself in and that makes it more personal

474
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: for him. And when he is in a situation to

475
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Speaker 1: make the Kevin in a trade that is a heart.

476
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: It was the I don't want to say, the biggest

477
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: no brainer in history, but everything I've been built towards

478
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: that moment. That was hard for him to trade away

479
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: all the young players that he had drafted, that he

480
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: had cultivated all the guys that came in with Park

481
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: in the year or two after. That was hard for

482
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Speaker 1: him to do, but he wouldn't be He puts such

483
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: a personal Danny Age stamp on the way he lives

484
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: his life and does this job. It's it's so unique

485
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: to him. Well, I think that's the perfect segue into

486
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Speaker 1: this conversation, so let's jump right into it. Here's our

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Speaker 1: conversation with Celtics President of Basketball Operations, the coach, the broadcaster,

488
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: the player, the executive for the Celtics, and obviously the

489
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Speaker 1: family man, Danny A. Well, Danny Age, thank you for

490
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: joining us. Are you excited as excited about this being

491
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Speaker 1: our first guest on the Celtics Podcast as we are

492
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Speaker 1: to have you here. I'm sure you're amped up about this.

493
00:25:54,680 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: Are you not very flattered? Very flattering? Well, we're all

494
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: appreciative of you taking the time out, especially at this

495
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: time of the year. We know it's busy. Uh and

496
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: and that's what we want to talk about briefly here.

497
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: Just to start. I feel like some people out there

498
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: kind of just feel like the trade deadline, the buyout season,

499
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: draft day. I think they feel like you just press buttons,

500
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: and it's just a button pusher, and there's an easy

501
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: buttony either make a deal or not make a deal.

502
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Speaker 1: But I know that you guys put in hours and

503
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Speaker 1: hours and weeks and months of work leading up to

504
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Speaker 1: those days. Can you kind of just give us an

505
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: idea of what goes into the lead up to those

506
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: particular days and the work that you and your team

507
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: put in before you actually get to those deadlines. Yeah,

508
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: the deadlines are pretty busy. I wish I wish that

509
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: UM at trade deadline that we could do a documentary

510
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: and just see what happens. I've actually had we can

511
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: do that. That's what this is. I've actually had um

512
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: staff members that aren't normally in those meetings come in

513
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: and that's just blown away. They had no idea what

514
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: actually went on, just how busy it is. But leading

515
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: up to it, there's a lot of conversation that leads

516
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: up to deadlines. Draft, I mean draft, you go through

517
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: you know, a hundred workouts of players and flying in

518
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: and visiting and meeting and interviewing, uh a lot of

519
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: different players and trade deadlines are basically watching basketball, watching

520
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: a lot of NBA games during the season, talking to

521
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: other teams, trying to figure out what teams needs are

522
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,239
Speaker 1: and what your needs maybe to improve. But you know,

523
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: making actual trades and making drafts is very complicated because

524
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: it's a lot of time and you've got to come

525
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: down to a decision, like a lot of different ideas

526
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: internally with players and coaches and owners and staff that

527
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: all put a lot of time and effort and have

528
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: a lot of stay get decision times and then you

529
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: have to make a decision. And so it's fun. It's intense,

530
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: it's grueling at times, and but it's it's very enjoyable.

531
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: It's a it's a fun process, and through that whole

532
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: process you get to, uh, you know work, Like I

533
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: think the greatest part of my job is just relationships.

534
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: Like you know, the relationship I developed with Perk in

535
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: his time here, I just felt like we just raised

536
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: him up, you know, and I got some fun stories,

537
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, like we just like and then you know,

538
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: he goes on to play somewhere else and he probably

539
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: doesn't know this, but like we watched so many of

540
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: his games, rooted for him and cheered cheered him on,

541
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 1: and um, we've had a lot of players come in

542
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: here through the last five or six years especially, But anyway, Yeah,

543
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: that's that's the bad part of the job is trading

544
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: players that you love that you've invested a lot of

545
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: time and motion into. Um. And you know, I was

546
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: a player that was traded twice, so I understand the

547
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: feelings that you have and UM. So it's just if

548
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: there's there's good and bad and art and challenging and

549
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: but most of the job is fun because you're around

550
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: good people and it's basketball like, not real work. Firk Howdy,

551
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: How did Danny raise you up? If you got to

552
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: look back at that, I mean it was crazy. But

553
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: I I tell people like, I think when you get drafted,

554
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: especially as a young as a young player, the organization

555
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: that you go to matters because I think once they started,

556
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: you know, once the culture and everything started working in

557
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: for you, the front office start telling you the truth

558
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: like Danny and I did and had a lot of

559
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: conversations were he just kept it one hundred, He kept

560
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: it real on what I need to do, how needed

561
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: to work, UM, things I didn't need to do. So

562
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: I think when you see when you look at the

563
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: average years of the NBA players with three and a

564
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: half four years, right, and you're trying to exceed that

565
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: and be get into those ten plus years. It all,

566
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: it all matters what organization you go to. And that's

567
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: why you see a lot of young guys don't paying

568
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: out because yeah, one is on them and you can't

569
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: you can't blame nobody else. But I think it's also

570
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: the organization and the culture that you go to. And

571
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: Dan it was just a hundred percent honest with me

572
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: on in a lot of areas, not just basketball wise,

573
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: but off the court issues. And he helped me with

574
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: a lot of the off the court issues that I

575
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: had coming in a lot of people that was around

576
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: me that didn't mean well things to that nature. So um,

577
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: I was very thankful and grateful for that. But d A,

578
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: I always tell people used to be so honest with

579
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: us that when you was going out to scout or

580
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: look at players. Used to always say, hey, I'm well

581
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: not to find somebody this better than you like. Do

582
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: you still do that? Do you still do that? Now?

583
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: You know? I will to some guys that have that

584
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: are pretty secure and who they are. Um, but you

585
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: know you have to read look in sensitive. I gotta

586
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: be a little bit more careful nowadays. Hurt and it

587
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: was fun with you guys. I can tell you in

588
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: KG and Paul and Ray and anybody like, that's my

589
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: job is better players better than you. Danny, that's a

590
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: popular I'm glad you said that. That's a popular narrative

591
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: now that about younger players today, about millennials, different work ethic,

592
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: all of it different, thin skin, thick skin. But it

593
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: almost seems like everything that every older generation has ever

594
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: said about every younger generation in the history of generations,

595
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: that they are different. It's been twenty five years now.

596
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: As a coach and a GM, our players legitimately different. Now,

597
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: has there been an evolution? Should have some kind and

598
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: how players are, how they carry themselves, how you have

599
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: to deal with them. Yeah, I think the major I

600
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: think the change the changes aren't major, but I think

601
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: that's social media and what we see. It's just our

602
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: our culture has changed as much um in how we

603
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: treat people as opposed to older other generations. And we

604
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: all know that, like how it affects each individual child.

605
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: That raised six kids and I have fifteen grandkids, and

606
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: they're all different, and they all some of them are

607
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: older generation type of people, and some of them are

608
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: being affected more by the younger generations. So you know,

609
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: I think it's just what's happening culturally. I love the

610
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: players of today. I think they're amazing. They think they're

611
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: great kids. I think they work every bit as hard

612
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: as any generation that's ever been, if not harder, just

613
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: because we have so much more we have. I mean

614
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: when I started coaching, I had a couple of assistant

615
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: coaches and a trainer and a strength coach. I mean

616
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: now you got four strength coaches and four physios and trainers,

617
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: and you have three full time chefs that feed you breakfast, lunch,

618
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: and dinner, and I need that, and so like it's

619
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: just it's a different it's a different world. Um, there's

620
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: a lot more people, a lot more money in the NBA,

621
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: and so I think the money it has changed all

622
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: has changed who players are as well. There's so much money.

623
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: The disparity between a forty million dollar player and a

624
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: one million dollar player. I think when I came into

625
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: the league, it was I think Bird was making four

626
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: hundred thousand and the minimum was fifty So it was

627
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 1: like there wasn't this huge gap and difference between it

628
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: as there as there is now. Mum, so there's a

629
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of things that have affected this generation.

630
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: I don't really like to label generations, honestly, but I'm

631
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: just saying that there are players that are that can

632
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: take it better. And I try to be able to

633
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: discern that. And the reason I would I could say

634
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: that to Perk and is because Perk could take it

635
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 1: like he He would laugh at it, like I knew

636
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be offended by it. They might even motivate him.

637
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,479
Speaker 1: And you know, he would say back to me, said,

638
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: good luck the egg because you probably ain't finding anybody. Yeah,

639
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: And he was right, especially if you're saying that stuff

640
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: to KG and Paul Beers and Rondo even. But Danny,

641
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: have you seen you talk about the difference in the

642
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: locker room? Have you seen a difference in the dynamic

643
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: in the way that players, the way that you can

644
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: lead a group of menet and and just how guys

645
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: react differently to each other. Well, you know, I always

646
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: say that there are you know, like everybody as a

647
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: leader in the in the locker room, like everybody is

648
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: either leading positively or leading someone down the wrong road,

649
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: leading negatively and dragging you down. But everybody leads in

650
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: some way or fashion. There's a few exceptions of people

651
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: that aren't really doing one where another they're just neutral.

652
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: But um, you know, you have the ability to lead

653
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: every every single player on that team, even if it's

654
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: an impact on one person on your team. But another

655
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: big difference is, um, you know, we now have seventeen players.

656
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: It was a challenge with twelve. You know, like you've

657
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: got twelve players. I mean one one of the one

658
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: of hard things of coaching is, Um, you go into

659
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: a locker room after a huge win, and you know,

660
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: everybody's happy, with the exception of the four guys that

661
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: aren't playing or the three guys that aren't playing. Now

662
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: you've got seven to ten guys that aren't playing or

663
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: and some of those guys aren't playing enough. You know.

664
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: It's the amount of players is is challenging for coaches

665
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: because like they all have feelings and all have emotions

666
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: and they all have a voice. And so UM, I

667
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: think I think the coaching is becoming harder and harder

668
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: with more players to manage and more coaches. Isn't the

669
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: answer because you've got to manage them too. Well. What

670
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: the to that point, right, I want to ask you

671
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: this how important or do you think it's still important

672
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: to have like veteran leaders in the locker room to

673
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: help with those egos, Like like you per that's when

674
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: you were at the end of your career. Yeah, it was.

675
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at guys like even guys like Jared Dudley,

676
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, uh that helped manage those egos, keep guys

677
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: in tag, keep them motivated, keeping focused, make sure that

678
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: they take like they could take some of the pressure

679
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: off the coaches, right, Yeah, listen, I think that they're

680
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: that leadership one the veterans. I mean, I think some

681
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: of some great leaders have been young players to perk Um,

682
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that the concept of I've been

683
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: around a long time in this business and I've seen

684
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: a lot of teams try to hire veterans in the

685
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: locker room. You know, bring a veteran. These young guys

686
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: need a veteran, and it hasn't worked out so good.

687
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: Those veterans weren't as good leaderships as their reputations were.

688
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: Or we needed an older player so or we need

689
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: to hire guys to be coaches that are just finished

690
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: out of their careers to make the transition and to

691
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: give that coach that leadership they need. So, like you say,

692
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: like people that are hearing the truth, understanding who they

693
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: really are. Um, you know, the a lot of players

694
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: think that they're way more important than they really are,

695
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: as opposed to not understanding the amazing opportunity that they

696
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: have in their life and how unique it is. And um,

697
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: I won't say a player's name, but there was a

698
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: player I was playing with in the in the eighties

699
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: who I believed was a terrific player and had such

700
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: a bright future and he acted out in a way

701
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't want to act out if you're the

702
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: eleventh or twelfth play on those teams. And he was

703
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: cut by the Celtics, and you know, my initial thought was, well,

704
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he'll get a chance to go play

705
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: somewhere else. And you know this, this team is pretty staffed.

706
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: But that player never played in the NBA game. You

707
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: got cut a couple more times, and like that opportunity

708
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: was there for him, Like I think he was gonna

709
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: blossom in our culture, but it wasn't happening on his

710
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: timeline and and his career was over. And we see that,

711
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: like it's so important for players to make it work

712
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: wherever they are and do the best they can with

713
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: whatever opportunities they get until they until they have control

714
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: of where they can where they can play. But they

715
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: you don't want to just act out and hope that

716
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: that that's gonna make it better, because that could just

717
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: get you a red slip and and you might not

718
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: get that opportunity there. There there's a lot of players

719
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: out there right now. They are every bit as good

720
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: as players that are in the NBA. And you know

721
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: that as well as anybody Perked. There's a lot of

722
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: good play is out there. There's a lot of competition

723
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: for jobs, especially jobs ten through seventeen, and uh, when

724
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: you get when you get one of those jobs, you've

725
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: gotta value it and be grateful for it and make

726
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: the most of whatever it is. So, Danny, you mentioned

727
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: that player from the eighties, I'm curious how often does

728
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: that happen now? Like, how many times have you seen

729
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: that type of situation play out while you've been president

730
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: and GM of the Celtics team. Um, it's played out

731
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: for sure. Um, Yeah, there are players like like Perk said, like,

732
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: I don't take any credit for perks success. Um as

733
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: an example, it it is Perk. You know, like he listened,

734
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: He listened to the right voices, He took advice. A

735
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: lot of players aren't, you know, don't aren't listening. They

736
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: they're not they're not listening, or they're incapable of, you know,

737
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: making good choices and being staying discipline and on a

738
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: on a true path. But Perk became a great player

739
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: because he wasn't. He didn't come into the NBA great player.

740
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: Came into in the NBA as a guy that had

741
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: to work his tail off to get he was a perk.

742
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: He just said, you didn't come in as a great player. No,

743
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: he was. He was. He had a great potential. But

744
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: I think we get Yeah, yeah, I got I got

745
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,479
Speaker 1: some documents. I got Perk. And I've joked about this before,

746
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: but I got some documented three minute run times, vertical jumper,

747
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: body fat tests. If you share that information, no, it's

748
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: it's secret, it's hip A violations. We've got to get

749
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: that information. But yeah, but Perk was, as an example,

750
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: was a guy that he would listen and he would respond,

751
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: and he would take it and he would become better

752
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: as a result. And you know, like just like I

753
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: wish all my children and grandchildren would always listen, and

754
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: they don't. You know, it's unfortunate it they just don't,

755
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: and sometimes they have to learn the hard way. And

756
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: that was the example of what happened within back in

757
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: the eighties. But yeah, there have been a couple of

758
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: players have come through here that just don't value their opportunity,

759
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: don't recognize what amazing chance it is, and have never

760
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 1: been back in the league sense. It's one of the

761
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: lessons that we've taken from the last few years and

762
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: over the entire span of your again coach GM president career,

763
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: the fact that in that locker room that you're talking about,

764
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: where there are guys who are going to have different roles,

765
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: that there really does need to be a cast system.

766
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 1: That it's not a democracy where all fifteen or seventeen

767
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: guys are equal. Yeah, I mean I think that there's um,

768
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully they're all treated equal by other players

769
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: and the coaches, but of course they're not equal opportunity

770
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: and equal minutes, um. But I think equal respect and

771
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: equal appreciation for all those players. But yeah, there's there's

772
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: no doubt that some players are just better and more valuable,

773
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: and a lot of players really struggle with that. They

774
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 1: struggle with the fact that somebody else is getting more

775
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: bad shots before they come out, or you know, like one,

776
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, they give one defensive mistake and they're out

777
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: and this guy has made three already. Yeah, there's just

778
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: they're just differences and that's always going to exist. And

779
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: your job is to prove to the coach that he

780
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: needs you in the court. It's not a coach's job

781
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: to treat everybody fairly. It's a player's job to prove

782
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: to the coach needs you. And it's just that simple.

783
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: It hasn't changed. Like my job, I gotta go out

784
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: there and beat this first round draft pick out. When

785
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: I was a Celtic, we had had to be first

786
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: round draft picks out every year because they're not drafting

787
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: big men because we have the three first ballot Hall

788
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: of Famers, So I gotta beat out new guards every year.

789
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: But that's you just have to prove to the coach

790
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: he needs to you on the court. And that's every

791
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: coach wants to win. And that's your job. And if

792
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: you can't do it, don't blame the coach. You haven't

793
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 1: done it. And I think that that's that's uh. Where

794
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: the challenges lie. And that's why seventeen is so much

795
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: harder than twelve. So, Danny, if we've got a new

796
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: age of player who you know, as the decades go

797
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: on and the years go on, you might have to

798
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: treat them differently based upon you know, what society is

799
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: at that time. How have officials changed, and the way

800
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: that you interact with officials the way that you did

801
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: when you were a player in the eighties versus now

802
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: when you're sitting courtside in an empty arena, and they

803
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: can hear every word that you and Mike Zarin scream

804
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: at them. Well they can't. I wish they could, but no,

805
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: I actually I'm glad I got my mask on and

806
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 1: they can't hear it. In fact, sometimes they'll yell something

807
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: and they'll turn around and look and I'll like look

808
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: at Allison and say or mice there, and it was

809
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: then they yelled it. But I think that you know,

810
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: the play that the game has definitely changed. I mean

811
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: when I was playing, referees would talk to you a lot,

812
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: and there wasn't as much scrutiny on the officials. There

813
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: wasn't every every call that they make being analyzed by

814
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: the world on instant replace, but also in the front

815
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: in the league office and grading them on a system

816
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: of theirs success and failures and the calls that they made,

817
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: which like, even after we see video replay and even

818
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: after we all are watching it, there's still are many

819
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: debates on whether that was a good call or matical,

820
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: like we still leave and don't know which what it was,

821
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: which was the right call? Often So the thing I

822
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: liked about the older day is better, a little better. Um,

823
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot to like what's happening now, and

824
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: I think the game is getting better and better officiated.

825
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: But in the in the older days, it was the well, yeah,

826
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: you he hit it out, but you hit his arm

827
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: and knocked it out, and you don't want to call foul,

828
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: so I just gave them the ball, and you can't

829
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: do that, Like you gotta be literal in the right calls,

830
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't make any sense right now to me

831
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: that you go to an instant replay to see who's

832
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: fingernail it hit when it rolled out, even though the

833
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: guy hacked his arm to prevent him from getting the ball,

834
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 1: Like I agree, And so it's just I don't understand

835
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: why they go to replay, he still can't get the

836
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: call right, and so that's what's uh, that's what I

837
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: appreciated about then versus now. But like I said, with

838
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: that scrutiny, you know, the referees are held to a

839
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: very high standard and they're trying to get as many

840
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: calls right as they can. And I think that for

841
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: that that's better. I feel like we've seen a lot

842
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: more players arguing calls. Mark talked about your emotions. Do

843
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: sometimes when you see Brad Stevens though on the side lines,

844
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: and I know we can't hear what he's saying under

845
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: the mask, but just how stowick he stays and how

846
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: even keeled he is through I mean, virtually it feels

847
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: like every moment whatever is happening on the court, do

848
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: you look at him kind of in amazement and wonder

849
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: how he has that kind of self control. Well, I

850
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: mean it's one of the things that that attracts me

851
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: to Brad as a coach, Like I think that it's

852
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: amazing his temperament. Now, I do know Brad and I

853
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: do watch him, and he does have like this crazy

854
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: competitive side to him, and he does lose his mind

855
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: on occasion, but you know, the more you lose your

856
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: mind in front of your team, UM, I don't think

857
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: that's a you know, I think it's okay on occasion,

858
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: but I think over time, where's you then? But I

859
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: also think that you know, the referees aren't listening there.

860
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: You know, the more you're yelling and screaming, you know,

861
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: maybe there are a young ref that you could take

862
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: advantage of. But for the most part, ress I learned

863
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: from experience, you know, like yelling at the rest doesn't

864
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: really help. I wish I had known that when I

865
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: was twenty two, But I think that um, docture didn't

866
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: know that no doctor doctors is on the rest. But

867
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: I think that, um, you know, some of that is

868
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: just your own is this personality thing. But Brad, I

869
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: think understands that it's not beneficial and when he needs to,

870
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: but I think sometimes he just like loses it and

871
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: goes goes off his rocker. But he hasn't done anything

872
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: like I've done. Like I went out on the court

873
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: and like kicked the ball that was sitting right on

874
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: the court and just kicked it about twenty rows up

875
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: into the stands for an immediate rejection, which is what

876
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: the ejection, which is what I wanted. Um but yeah,

877
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: just but I like the person, I like the stable,

878
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: just the Brad because you know, players are so emotional

879
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: and the players are going through all of this emotion

880
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: and so having somebody that's not for you now and

881
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: going living his life in emotional states um is I

882
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: think is part of his great leadership, Like you just

883
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: can't when you've got players that are doing the same thing.

884
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: We need stability and you know, and like I said,

885
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: there's a time and a place to stand up for

886
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: a player. There's a time and a place to you know,

887
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: hold the referee accountable to what you think is not

888
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: being done right. But I think Brad has a very

889
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: good balance of that. I think he's under control the

890
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: most of the time, which is what I think is important.

891
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: Was that part of what you first noticed about him.

892
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: The story is legendary. Now you and pag see how

893
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: you got the final four in ten and she and

894
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: Tschowsky walk on the court and you're like, there's the

895
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: best coach in college basketball, and pack just assumed you

896
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: were talking about Mike Sachowski. But if that story, to

897
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: whatever degree it is true, and then again has become

898
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: urban legend. He must have been on your radar way

899
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:02,479
Speaker 1: before that. So when were you first aware of Brad

900
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: Stevens at Yeah, well before two ten. But you know,

901
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: like when I go out and watch college games, Um,

902
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: you know, I watched coaches. I watched the coaches and

903
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: how they're interacting with players. I always try to get

904
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: seats that give me a good view of the bench,

905
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: close to the bench. Um, but I'm watching the interaction.

906
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: So as I'm scouting players, Um, I'm not so much

907
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: scouting coaches, but I'm learned looking at how the coaches

908
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 1: are reacting, how the players reacting to that coach. I

909
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: mean there's some fun ones, but I mean maybe the

910
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: most fun guy to that entertained me the most, and

911
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: I always wanted to get a seat by the Yukon bench.

912
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,959
Speaker 1: Oh he was a crack up, Jim Calhoun. He had

913
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: me laughing so many times. But it was just as

914
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: entertaining as the game itself. I love Jim Calhoun, but

915
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: he was He's hysterical. To got to talk to Kemba

916
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: about that. I wanted to kind of go back to

917
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: something you talked a little bit about with Perk and Um,

918
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: just the relationships that you have not only with these guys,

919
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: but with coaches, I mean even members of the media.

920
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: When we were preparing for this, we talked about what

921
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: stands out to you about Danny and that it is

922
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: really that we feel like you do care about us

923
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: as people and and you make an effort to reach

924
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: out and actually um touch people and and speak with them.

925
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: And so my question to you is, in your job,

926
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: how do you separate that those relationships? How do you

927
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: balance that when it comes to the time to make

928
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: tough decisions because you do have this reputation that everyone

929
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: and no one is safe, everyone is tradeable if it's

930
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: a deal that makes the team better, and so how

931
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: do you emotionally balance that? Well, like I said, I

932
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: mean it's it's uh. I think you know, the hardest

933
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: thing is when you have to cut players, um that

934
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: you know you're you're hurting a dream, You're preventing them

935
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: from accomplishing a dream. When you when you trade players

936
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: that's still they're one of four D fifty players that

937
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: are in the world that are playing in the NBA

938
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: and making a good, good amount of money. It's still

939
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: not easy at all. It's really hard, especially when um

940
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: you have invested a lot of time and emotion into

941
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: their lives. I think that, um, you know, you just

942
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: I have a job to do and I have to

943
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: try to help them be prepared for the real world.

944
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: And it's like, it's no different than a child that's

945
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: not getting a chance to play or you know, you

946
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: don't just run and change schools and go find a

947
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,439
Speaker 1: coach that's gonna play you more like no, you teach

948
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: them to fight and work hard and um, but I

949
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: think the relationships are the most important part of of

950
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: what we do. And I think that, Um, the greatest

951
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: joy that I have in my job is those relationships

952
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: better than hanging champ ship banners. Better than you know,

953
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: making a good living. It's the relationships. As I look

954
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: back on my career coaching and in this job, that's

955
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: what I Why why, Danny, Why is that stuff so

956
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: important to you? Because they last, they last forever, And UM,

957
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: I think those relationships they matter a great deal. Like

958
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: those are My greatest joys in life come from my

959
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: friends and Cola ex players and ex coaches I've worked

960
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: with and played with, UM, and I'm grateful for that.

961
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: To learn as a player when my career was over,

962
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: and I look back and I have a couple of

963
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: championship rings. I've had a good career and played on

964
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: great teams, but it was those relationships I had with

965
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: coaches and players that was the most meaningful by far.

966
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: How do you establish those relationships now with guys who

967
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: were I mean, for some of the guys on the team,

968
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 1: you're three times their age. How how do you relate

969
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: to guys who have been brought up in a completely

970
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: different situation than you. They're they're living a totally different

971
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: life at that age than you did. I just don't

972
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: understand how you're capable of connecting so deeply with them,

973
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: because I mean a lot of players will jump on

974
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: and say in media sessions how cool you are and

975
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: that they would they like, want to hang out with you,

976
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: and that's that's not always the case. I would imagine

977
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: that's not the case everywhere around the league. Well listen,

978
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there there's definitely um players that are that

979
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: connect with anybody more connect with a certain player or

980
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: connect with a certain executive. And so I've had connections

981
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: that are much deeper and longer lasting than other players

982
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: who think I am too old or don't like to

983
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: hear what I have to tell them, or you know,

984
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: don't like their role in the team, and you know,

985
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: think that they're not being treated fairly. So I mean

986
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of players that have come through

987
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: that I haven't developed great relationships with. But um, you know,

988
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: and I under stand it. I understand those ones that

989
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: don't want to connect with me. They don't think I

990
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 1: can see the world from their perspective, but um, you know,

991
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: and so I don't want to make it seem like

992
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: I have connection. Uh. This is really a great connection

993
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: with every single player because it takes two people to

994
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: really connect. And UM, but I really value those those um,

995
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: because relationships are hard and they're challenging sometimes, and UM,

996
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: I value those ones that have been hard and we've

997
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: been through tough tough times and tough things, and um,

998
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: whether it's life or family or their careers. UM. But

999
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: there's some that seek out my counsel and and come

1000
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 1: to my office and want to talk through difficult times

1001
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: and something that don't. It's interesting because there are a

1002
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: lot of colleagues of yours in different sports who are

1003
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: averse to developing those relationships because of the decisions they

1004
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: have to make. And it occurs to me now just

1005
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: hearing you talk about it, obviously from a huge in

1006
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: the standpoint, all the relationships who developed. I came in

1007
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: as a young announcer and I said, you know what,

1008
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay away from the players because I don't

1009
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: want to I have to talk about them on the air.

1010
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: And I realized that was just colossally stupid and a

1011
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: mistake of youth, because getting to know people is what

1012
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: this experience is about. It makes It's made me better

1013
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: at my job. And it just occurred to me hearing

1014
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: you talk about it with so many who don't go

1015
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: that path. Has the connections you've made have obviously been

1016
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: benefited you from a human standpoint? Have they made you

1017
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: better at your job? Connecting with players the way that

1018
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: you do, I think so. I think I think it's helped,

1019
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: you know. Like I said, I wish I could connect

1020
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: with all of them. I wish they all listened to

1021
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: the counsel I give them because I only want their

1022
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: success and wherever they're, wherever they're playing, wherever their future is,

1023
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: whether it's with us or with someone else. But like

1024
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: I said, they don't always and but hopefully they have

1025
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: someone else they're listening to, they can give them good

1026
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: counsel and a lot do. A lot of players have

1027
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: really good people around them that, um, so they don't

1028
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: need to they don't need my counsel or advice. So

1029
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: I'm not offended by that. I just want I just

1030
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: think that players know that I care about them, and

1031
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: there what happens to him, and so you know, I

1032
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: know that from the outside world, like when a guy

1033
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 1: like perchestrated, as an example, keep using pert because he

1034
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: left us so now we can talk bad about it.

1035
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: We did anyway, But you know it's it's those those times,

1036
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: are those memories are are just special and um but

1037
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: like I said, they're not always rosy, like they don't

1038
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: have to be just like a marriage relationship or a

1039
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: father's son relationship or like you know, truth is more

1040
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: important than you know, trying to always paint, you know,

1041
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: put a smile on everybody's face, like, you know, being

1042
00:56:55,560 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: honest and forthright with people matters. And I honestly, like

1043
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: before you jumped on, when we were all talking as

1044
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: a group about you, that's what stood out the most

1045
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: to all of us about who you are as a person,

1046
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: not necessarily who you are as the executive or the

1047
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 1: coach or the player. It's who you are as a

1048
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: person and that that's what stood out to us, and

1049
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure that stands out to every player who comes

1050
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: through the Celtics door. Is no question. Yeah. I probably

1051
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't dispute the every player part of it. There's some

1052
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: there's some players that probably don't you know, aren't that

1053
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: fond of me. But I'm okay with that. Like I

1054
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: that doesn't that doesn't bother me, and I don't I

1055
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: don't have to be uh validated by every single player.

1056
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: There's something there's not a connection with it. Have you

1057
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: always done the job that way from the moment you

1058
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: started being a GM or is that something that you

1059
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: saw in general managers that you enjoyed working with or

1060
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: is that just who you are as a person, because

1061
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: not everyone does it that. I think it's a combination.

1062
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: I think that part of it is just my personality.

1063
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: And but I like people like I just I just

1064
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: do you know when when I remember my high school

1065
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: coach who was a legend in the state of Oregon,

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Speaker 1: and my two older brothers had played and so I

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Speaker 1: was around the team as a ball boy and watching practice,

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00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: and you know, and I was around and he was

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00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: a tough, tough son of a gun, and he was

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00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: and my brothers were not big fans, and it was

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00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: really hard. And I watched this, you know, all the

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Speaker 1: time and growing up in my middle school years, and

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Speaker 1: I loved him. I thought he was an amazing coach.

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00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: And of course he wasn't ever yelling at me. And uh,

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00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: but you know, when I got to high school, like

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00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: I would, I created a much looser atmosphere than this

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00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: coach had created. I even made him laugh in front

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00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: of the whole team some And you know, instead of

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00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: it always being salty about who this coach was, I

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00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: had grown to to really be fond of him. And

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00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: I think it helped our team, that it helped our relationship.

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Speaker 1: And I just think that I've always wanted that. I

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00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: don't mind being criticized. I don't mind a player not

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00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: liking what I have to say. Um, I don't seek

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00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: that validation. I just like, um, good people that can

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00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: influence your life for good. I've been fortunate to be

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00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: around a lot of people that have helped me, you know,

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00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: have perspective just by a smile or a shape conference

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00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: short conversation, and I think people help us how much

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00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: time is there too? You can watch hours of video

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00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: on a player and games and talk to their how

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00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: much time is there as you're prepared airing for a

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01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: draft in any given year to investigate that part of

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01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: a young man who want to bring into the organization,

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01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: the non basketball stuff that's such a big part of

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01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: a market, smart or other guys. How do you find

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01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: it and how do you have to rely on some

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01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: of the instincts we've been talking about about personal relationships

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01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: that you've had. Yeah, so you know, I would say

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Speaker 1: last year the toughest part of not having those opportunities

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01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: of So we do a lot of background checks. We

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01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: talked with college professors, college coaches, assistant coaches, um director

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01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: of basketball operations, trainers, high school of teachers. I mean,

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01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: there's we do so much in background checks on a

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01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: lot of guys that are potential candidates. But that's you know,

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01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: perspectives from others. It there's nothing quite like sitting down.

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01:00:54,960 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: That's the end of the store right there, right There's

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01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: nothing like meaning down at your moment and whether it

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01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: it's you know, just one on one, nobody else around

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01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: and just visiting and talking and hearing what they're like.

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01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: After after spending time and work out and going and

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01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: just being with a person one on one, I think

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01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: that there's great value. And I mean probably, um, I

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01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: think that the guys that that made the most impact

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01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: on me where I you know, just fell in love

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01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: with them as people on top of players, might have

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01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: been Rondo and Rogier might have been the two guys

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01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: that nobody else was really that excited about and um

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01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: where we were drafting and you know, but their personalities

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01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,479
Speaker 1: and we just connected and I felt like it wasn't

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01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: just like I'm not trying to find people that will

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01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: just connect with me, but I'm trying to find people

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01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: that are passionate and you know that have and sometimes

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01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: it's not I mean, obviously those two guys are completely differ,

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01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: Darry and Rondo, but they so it's not like I'm

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01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,479
Speaker 1: looking for one certain type of person as much as

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01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: just a passion, a love, a drive, uh you know

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Speaker 1: listening um universe, just I just felt the connection those guys.

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Speaker 1: Do you judge your orders, Danny, if someone gets a

1130
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: chicken burrito versus the case is that your is the

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01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: burrito your guy. I mixed it up occasionally, but I'm

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01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: mostly off the chicken now and uh mostly go for

1133
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: the tofu, But yeah, I mix it up. Perks back,

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01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: we're wrapping things up. You got anything, no that that

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01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: that was my apologies. I'm trying to multi tasks. I

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01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: had to make sure I come back in at the end.

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Speaker 1: Kiss d A D. I just wanted to tell you

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01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: I appreciate you everything that you've done for me. And look,

1139
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: I see you haven't called me in a long time, right,

1140
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: I hope I used you off by some mine and

1141
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: saying on two you bet he's looking for broadcasters who

1142
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: are better than you, so perk you could you you actually,

1143
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: I don't think you could offend me even if you tried,

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01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: So don't ever worry. You can say whatever you You

1145
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: can say whatever you want on TV all you guys, Well, Danny,

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01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: I think everything that you have just said has backed

1147
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: up the words that we all said about you before

1148
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: you came on. Um, you're a great human being and

1149
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: and that's that's the point of this entire conversation, so

1150
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: that every everyone out there can learn a little bit

1151
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 1: about who you are behind the curtain, and not just

1152
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: the guy who who's making the moves to put this

1153
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: team together. So we really appreciate your time and we're

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01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: looking we're looking forward to talking to you again down

1155
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: the line on this podcast. Thanks for being our first

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01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: guest ever. Appreciate you before. I appreciate all you guys

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01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: and and Mark. You've done a great job and I

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01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: follow you on Twitter and I think you do an

1159
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: excellent job for all of our media things in the Celtics. Abby,

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01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: you're a champ and I'm glad you're getting this great

1161
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: opportunity to, you know, take a step off and you're

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01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: doing a wonderful job. Perk, you're a rookie still and

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01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: but Perky, Yeah, you gotta go get the food man.

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01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: You gotta make the make u. Perk. You have some strong,

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01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: strong opinions and I find it very very entertaining, even

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01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: though I disagree with half of them. They are hilarious.

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01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good ratio. And just Perk, I got

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01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: two words for you, carry on and Sean, I think

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01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: you're the best in the business. Um. I love when

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01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: we're playing at home, and I sometimes will leave in

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01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter when I'm not so happy about how

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01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: the game is going. But I listened to your take.

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01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: I've listened to our games on radio many, many times,

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01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: and I really do believe you're the best in the

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01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: entire business, and we're lucky to have you in our organizations.

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01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: One time when Gerald Green, the first Gerald Green stint,

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01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: when he was a rookie coming out of high school

1178
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: and had some had some issues right acclimating to the

1179
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: NBA game. And one night, I think I got so

1180
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: frustrated with some of his decision making. I said, in

1181
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: the heat of the moment, man, if Jerald Green, I

1182
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: guarantee when he goes to the supermarket, he picks the

1183
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: wrong lane to check out every time. And Danny pulled me,

1184
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:24,439
Speaker 1: so I think he's gonna yell at me for saying

1185
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: that about he goes. That was the funniest thing I

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01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: ever heard. All Right, well, Danny, thanks again. Put a

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01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: bow on it. That's the end of episode one and

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01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: we're looking forward to seeing everyone for episode two coming

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01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: up next week. Thank you, Danny. Alright, guys, they say