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Speaker 1: strange Wife crime Stories with Nancy Grace. When I think

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Speaker 1: apparently that's exactly what happened with me. An all star

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Speaker 1: James Daniels, Director Investigations, Blocktrace, dot Com expert and cryptocurrency

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Speaker 1: and the Dark web. You know there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: crazy people on the dark web. Ashley Wilcot judge, trial lawyer,

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Speaker 1: court TV anchor at Astley Wilcott dot com. Doctor Sherry Schwartz,

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Speaker 1: forensic psychologist, author of Criminal Behavior and you can find

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Speaker 1: her at panther Mitigation dot com. Justice Scott Morgan, Professor forensics,

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, Author Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon

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Speaker 1: Dan Shilling, safety expert, former Lieutenant USAF, thirty year special

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Speaker 1: books dot com. But first, let's go straight out to

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Helly Gunther. You can find her at k

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Speaker 1: h Q TV. Helly, What a story? First of all,

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Speaker 1: who is this guy? Doctor Ryn? You'll take a listen

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Speaker 1: to our friends at crime online dot com. Urkda a

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Speaker 1: neonatologist specializes in pre term babies and newborns, the diagnosis

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Speaker 1: he's successful. The fifty five year old doctor came from

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Speaker 1: personal life and a professional life begin to falter. Ilgs

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Speaker 1: dear Lord in Heaven, Helly Gunther, I need a shrink

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Speaker 1: doctor Sherry Schwartz. Why is it that when the marriage

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Speaker 1: to journalists, we're doing an investigation the dark web. When

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Speaker 1: they came across a post, then they tipped off one

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Speaker 1: of the victims and law enforcement. Scott Agenbound is a

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Speaker 1: former special agent with the FBI and author of the

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Speaker 1: Secret to Cybersecurity, A Simple Plan to protect your family

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Speaker 1: and business from cybercrime. Once you get on the dark web,

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Speaker 1: it is the wild West and completely unregulated because as

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Speaker 1: the dark web is primarily used for criminal activity, and

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Speaker 1: without tips from the public, post on the dark web

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Speaker 1: are hard for law enforcement to trace. The dark web

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Speaker 1: is kind of like an open air bizarre where all

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Speaker 1: the bad guys gravitate get together and they sell, they

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Speaker 1: buy information, and also they'll sell anything. They'll sell services,

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Speaker 1: they'll sell drugs, and it's a closed community. So the

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Speaker 1: only way you can get in there is if you

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Speaker 1: know someone who will vouch for you. Well, it certainly

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Speaker 1: did not stop the FBI from finding very incriminating email solicitations.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Ill trying to get a quote rush job and

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Speaker 1: he needed two hits to Haley Gunter joining us k HQTV. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: two hits, two hits. One on a former employee, a

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Speaker 1: former colleague. He wanted their hands to be broken. And

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Speaker 1: then his wife and his ultimate goal, of course, he

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Speaker 1: did want her, you know, pumped full of drugs, taught

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Speaker 1: how to use the drugs herself, and then he wanted

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Speaker 1: that all photographed so he could you know, blackmail her

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Speaker 1: down the road. But you know, his ultimate goal with

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Speaker 1: everything with his wife was to get her to come

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Speaker 1: back to him, even offering bonuses if she would sleep

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Speaker 1: with him at least three times the first you know,

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks that she returned to their to their marriage.

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Speaker 1: So he was detailed and the details are are disturbing,

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Speaker 1: to put it mildly, well, you're right about that. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut six. The FBI says Ailed

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Speaker 1: used coin based doc to transfer approximately fifty six thousand,

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Speaker 1: three hundred eight dollars and twelve cents and two escrow

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Speaker 1: to pay for the assault of victim one and for

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Speaker 1: the plan to kidnap, assault, extort, and drug victim two.

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Speaker 1: One post reads he would also offer multiple bonuses, including

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Speaker 1: one of up to ten thousand dollars, if his kidnappers

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Speaker 1: could get one of the victims to return to your

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Speaker 1: husband by asking to move back home and sleep with

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Speaker 1: him at least three times within the two week time frame.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to money, money is really easy to trace.

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Speaker 1: That's why the bad guys make you pay that the

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Speaker 1: ransom in bitcoins because bitcoins are untraceable wallets that are

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Speaker 1: making a mainstream appearance today. And that's just part of it.

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Speaker 1: Take listen to k r EMT and newly unearthed documents.

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Speaker 1: A user by the name of Scar two one five

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Speaker 1: messaged a group on the dark Web to pay fifty

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars in Bitcoin to kidnap, assault, drug and extore

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Speaker 1: a Spokane woman. I need the target kidnap for five

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Speaker 1: to seven days. While being held, she has given at

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Speaker 1: least daily doses of heroin. She's also strongly persuaded to

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Speaker 1: do a few things within two weeks. One stop all

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Speaker 1: court proceedings. Two, return to her husband and the chaos

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Speaker 1: you created. Three tell absolutely no one about this. Federal

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Speaker 1: prosecutors believe her estranged husband, Ronald ILG, was that user

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Speaker 1: and he didn't want to continue their divorce. Ilde is

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Speaker 1: charged with attempted kidnapping after the FBI was tipped off

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Speaker 1: about the plot by the woman. FBI special agent and

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Speaker 1: key witness Ryan Butler testified today in the Suspects Preliminary

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Speaker 1: and Attention Hearing that the wife was informed of the

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Speaker 1: plot by the crew of an unnamed international news organization

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Speaker 1: investigating the Dark West. Shout out to Joseph Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. Jes Scott he was wanting

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Speaker 1: her pumped full of heroin over and her and over,

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Speaker 1: during which time she would be photographed using drugs, high

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Speaker 1: on drugs, lying there pasted out on drugs. Hey, I

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Speaker 1: wonder where the three year old sun was during all

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Speaker 1: of this was supposed to be. But what does that

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Speaker 1: do to a person to be kidnapped for seven to

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Speaker 1: fourteen days and being popped full of heroin every day? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this makes it even more insidious, Nancy, because he is

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Speaker 1: a physician. Remember he had to take a Hippocratic oath

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Speaker 1: at some point in tom where he said that he

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Speaker 1: would do no harm, Nancy, and this is the ultimate harm.

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Speaker 1: And go back to what had earlier been stated. He

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Speaker 1: had told these individuals she needed to be taught how

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Speaker 1: to use this. What does that mean. Well, he's creating

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Speaker 1: an addiction in her. Heroin is highly, highly addictive, So

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Speaker 1: once she's blasted with that first dose, she's going to

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Speaker 1: get really sick. But then this craving sets in where

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Speaker 1: she has to have this fed constantly. He's a physician, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: he understands that. And this is another thing. Heroin is

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Speaker 1: not something that you're just going to be bought down

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Speaker 1: to the pharmacy and you know, and fill a script

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Speaker 1: for it. This is something that synthesized off of morphine,

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Speaker 1: which is naturally occurring. Heroin is something that is at

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Speaker 1: a street level. It's a very very dangerous drug. So

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Speaker 1: that means that whoever these kidnappers that he was looking

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Speaker 1: for would have gotten this dirty drug off of the street.

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Speaker 1: He's a physician, keep that in mind, and he wants

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Speaker 1: to have this injected into this poor woman's body. I

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Speaker 1: lost show, Scott, but I'm going to follow up with

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Speaker 1: James Daniels, director of investigations at blocktrace dot com, expert

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Speaker 1: on the dark web and cryptocurrency. You know, hold it, Ashley.

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Speaker 1: First to you talking about what you may do one day,

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm going to kill you. That's not a crime.

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Speaker 1: But when you follow it up with an overt act.

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Speaker 1: I use that phraseology because that is what is required

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Speaker 1: by the law and overt act that makes it a

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Speaker 1: real conspiracy, even if you're playing fails. And in this

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Speaker 1: case we've gotten transferring fifty six thousand dollars absolutely, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: And so a couple of things. Number one, the overt

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Speaker 1: act that's transferring the money. Number two, that shows intent, right,

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Speaker 1: there's intent because you're committing that act to show that

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Speaker 1: you are attempting to do it. And remember, even if

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Speaker 1: a crime such as murder doesn't occur, but you plan it,

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Speaker 1: there's still attempted murder, right, there's still attempted crimes. Those

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Speaker 1: are crimes even if it doesn't come to fruition. So

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Speaker 1: how does that happen? James Daniels with blocktrace dot com,

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Speaker 1: how do you transfer nearly sixty thousand dollars on the

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Speaker 1: dark web? Yeah, it's it's it's fairly easy to do.

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Speaker 1: One of the clips that you had had talked about,

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Speaker 1: you know, untraceable wallets and you know, one of the

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Speaker 1: things that you know law enforcement and now in the

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Speaker 1: private sector with blocktrace dot com, we are getting very

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Speaker 1: good at doing that tracing. So criminals think that bitcoins anonymous,

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Speaker 1: they think the other knocked and you know, we've got

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Speaker 1: the skill set to go through and trace that stuff,

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Speaker 1: which is how and why the FBI was able to

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Speaker 1: find who this was. Can you trace bitcoin as easily

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Speaker 1: as you can trace money transfer three banks? Yes, yes

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Speaker 1: you can't. And it's you know, it's more difficult to

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Speaker 1: trace cash. You know, back when I was working drug cases,

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Speaker 1: and people would conduct transactions in cash. It was much

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Speaker 1: more difficult to trace that than it is to trace cryptocurrency. Well,

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Speaker 1: cryptocurrency does have a footprint on the Internet, and so

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Speaker 1: we use that along with other techniques to follow where

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Speaker 1: it came from and where it went to. Why as

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Speaker 1: if there is motivation to Healey Guther joining us KHQTV,

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Speaker 1: why was he doing all of this? He wanted her back, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: It seems crazy, but his whole goal here was to

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Speaker 1: get her to return to him to make their marriage work.

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Speaker 1: And he made it clear he had no intentions of

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Speaker 1: giving up the girlfriend, but that's what he wanted. He

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Speaker 1: wanted his wife home, he wanted their family back in

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Speaker 1: pack and even made comments about his wife and girlfriend

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Speaker 1: going shopping together at Costco. So he had this fantasy

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Speaker 1: world that she obviously wanted no pardon, but he didn't

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Speaker 1: want her dead. He didn't want her murdered. He just

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Speaker 1: wanted her back to doctor Sherry Schwartz. I have not

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Speaker 1: seen it, but I have seen snippets of it. Have

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Speaker 1: you ever heard of the reality show called Sister Wives?

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Speaker 1: I have. I've never seen it either, but I know

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Speaker 1: the concept yet where all these women are married to

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Speaker 1: the same guy, and they're all okay with that. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So this was doctor ilgs fantasy that the wife and

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Speaker 1: the girlfriend would go shopping at Costco, and I guess

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Speaker 1: Be's own private harem. What is he thinking. Well, I

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Speaker 1: think in the context of Sister Wise, there's a religious

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Speaker 1: component to that, and this is what they believe religiously.

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Speaker 1: And again I'm not saying that it's okay. It would

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Speaker 1: not be okay with me, but I'm not a member

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Speaker 1: of that particular religious practice. In this case, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem that this is uh, you know, something that God

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Speaker 1: told him to do, but rather a remarkable lack of

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Speaker 1: empathy for these women. He can't put himself in their

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Speaker 1: shoes to sort out that that's not going to be

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Speaker 1: okay with them that they are having. You know, in

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Speaker 1: the wife's case, she's married to him. That implies that

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Speaker 1: nobody's going outside of the relationship for sex or love

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Speaker 1: or or anything, you know, romantic love or anything like that. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, the behavior here is very sinister. You know

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Speaker 1: what Joe Scott was saying before out shooting her up

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Speaker 1: with heroin. In my mind, as a forensic psychologist, I'm

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Speaker 1: reviewing so many of these cases. I immediately thought he's

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Speaker 1: planning ahead to get evidence on her in case there's

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Speaker 1: a custody battle, and so he can say to her,

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Speaker 1: you can't leave me. You won't get your son, you

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Speaker 1: won't get a penny from me. You have to stay

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Speaker 1: with me and do what I want because I have

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Speaker 1: this evidence that you used drugs. You know, it's interesting

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Speaker 1: Hilly Guther joining US investigative reporter k QTV that he

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Speaker 1: says the point of it all was to get her

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Speaker 1: to return to him. I don't know that I totally

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Speaker 1: agree with that, even though that's what he is saying.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut ten k HQ. The

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Speaker 1: directions Ronald Illig allegedly provided to a dark web hitman

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Speaker 1: to kidnap his estranged wife is about the only thing

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Speaker 1: that is clear and this stranger than fiction story. As

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Speaker 1: outline and court dox Il tried to hire a professional

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Speaker 1: criminal to kidnap his wife. In part, the target destroyed

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Speaker 1: two families and walked away as if she did nothing.

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Speaker 1: I want the target kidnapped for seven days. While being held,

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Speaker 1: she will be given injections of heroin at least two

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Speaker 1: times per day. Exaccused of also encouraging the kidnapper to quote,

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Speaker 1: he use all means necessary to convince his wife to

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Speaker 1: drop the divorce and come back to him. Doc state

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Speaker 1: he wanted the kidnapping to occur while he and his

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Speaker 1: girlfriend were in Mexico, sols to put the marriage back

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Speaker 1: together again. And he's plotting all this with his off

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Speaker 1: on a vacation to Mexico with his girlfriend to jump in.

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Speaker 1: I have to this is Ashley. All I have to

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Speaker 1: say is I don't believe he wanted her back either.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to control the circumstances. He didn't like the

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Speaker 1: way it was going. What's the best way to control it?

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Speaker 1: Do this? And I absolutely don't think he wanted her back.

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Speaker 1: He just had the control, Yeah, because he wanted her

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Speaker 1: kidnapped and tortured. I don't care what he's saying now.

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Speaker 1: I don't have to prove the motive in court. The

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Speaker 1: state is not required to prove that the reality is

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Speaker 1: that there is a trail a mile y between burner phones,

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Speaker 1: his dark Web activity, and statements he has made to

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Speaker 1: the girlfriend and to police. Haley Gut, where does the

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Speaker 1: case stand right now? You know he's still he's still

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Speaker 1: in jail. Um. Here, here we have this doctor, the

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Speaker 1: successful doctor who had a remarkable career, and he has

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Speaker 1: not been able to bail out of jail. He is

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Speaker 1: awaiting trial right It was supposed to be coming up

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Speaker 1: this month, but it has been pushed to October. Of course,

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Speaker 1: we anticipate it will likely get pushed back again, but

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Speaker 1: he remains a Spokane County jail inmates and the investigation

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Speaker 1: is just is continuing. I do know that his um

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Speaker 1: and one of the court hearings, his first wife was

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Speaker 1: there to kind of vouch for him and even was

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Speaker 1: willing to provide, you know, a place for him to

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Speaker 1: go while this whole thing continues to play out in

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Speaker 1: the and the court system. But it's my understanding he

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Speaker 1: was believed to be too much of a fight. There

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Speaker 1: is no way this guy should get out on bond

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Speaker 1: flight risk, plus a risk to the second wife and girl,

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Speaker 1: the twitnesses against him. We wait as justice unfolds. A

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Speaker 1: neonatal doctor taken down by the FBI and his foiled

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Speaker 1: plot to kidnap and torture his wife. Nancy Grace Crimes

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Speaker 1: story signing off, Goodbye friend,