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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always

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Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. The energy is great here

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Speaker 1: today and we hope you are feeling a wonderful energy

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Speaker 1: in your neck of the woods as well. Part of

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Speaker 1: our great energy, as always, is due to the hard

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Speaker 1: work and uh unrelenting coolness of our super producer, Mr

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Speaker 1: Max Williams. They called me Ben No. We were talking

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Speaker 1: off air. We were talking off air a little bit

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Speaker 1: about martial arts, you me and Max, and uh you

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Speaker 1: said that while you have not tried jiu jitsu as

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Speaker 1: if yet, you were for a time a karate kid. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I did study the ancient art of karate briefly.

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Speaker 1: I believe I made it so far as the brown

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Speaker 1: belt is now brown belts first? Now your white belt,

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Speaker 1: white belt, yellow belt? What what order to see? Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm talking to start off with

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Speaker 1: the white belt. I think I know that you started

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Speaker 1: with a white belt, but then I think it's brown belt.

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Speaker 1: I think it's brown belt, and then maybe yellow belts.

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Speaker 1: I think purple is like what second to the last

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Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, purple is definitely up there. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: that was right. It's white, yellow, orange. Okay, it was not.

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Speaker 1: I did not get brown. Brown is before black brown

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Speaker 1: is a big deal? Yeah, yellow, orange, blue, purple, purple

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Speaker 1: Um yeah, pretty sure. I only made it so far

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Speaker 1: as yellow. And your mileage may vary. You know who

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Speaker 1: you study with and Max, you were to all you

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Speaker 1: know us that while you yourself are not a practitioner

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Speaker 1: of jiu jitsu, you had some close friends who are

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Speaker 1: super into it. Yeah. Yeah, Actually my dad was really

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Speaker 1: into a belief haie kwon do and he was like

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Speaker 1: I had two roommates at time, and one of them

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Speaker 1: the other guy, he um, he studied the one that's

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Speaker 1: but I know that's a cappy barra. Is that an

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Speaker 1: adorable marsupial? Uh? Yeah. I was talking with you guys

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Speaker 1: in a minute ago about the episode of Bob's Burger's

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Speaker 1: where Tina takes capawara from Jarro, who has a luxurious

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Speaker 1: ponytail which he uses as a weapon while saying ponytail

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Speaker 1: party dail ponytal. Jiujitsu is interesting though, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think it's it's probably elements of this and a lot

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Speaker 1: it's a great self defense technique for people that maybe

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Speaker 1: So it's all about kind of movement and certain you

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Speaker 1: you know, besting them in hand to hand combat. Person.

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Speaker 1: It's so cool too, because the translation, if you look

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Speaker 1: at what it means in English, is beautiful. So this

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Speaker 1: other martial arts and combat sports have been informed. You

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Speaker 1: If you look at the translation, uh, jew ju means gentle, soft, supple, flexible,

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Speaker 1: like technique or art. So jiu jitsu then roughly means

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Speaker 1: the yielding art and it's exactly as you describe Noll

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Speaker 1: redirection of someone else's energy. So you might ask, if

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Speaker 1: of incredibly inspiring story. Let's travel back to Britain for

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Speaker 1: you know, much of its history. Britain, like many other

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Speaker 1: known as Black Friday. Yes, Black Friday, what we alluded

425
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: to early on in the episode, where in a group

426
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: of around three hundred suffragettes were um essentially bum rushed

427
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: by a blanks of police officers outside Parliament. They were

428
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: in fact entirely outnumbered, um and they were essentially just

429
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: beaten by the police and uh M, insulted injury. Yeah,

430
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: random dudes, insults injury. You know, as if they didn't

431
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: have it covered with just the bobbies with you know, bludgeons,

432
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: they they had these bros coming in to to swing

433
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: their clubs and fists as well. Really really gross, absolute

434
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: targeting of a peaceful protest and no wonder they decided

435
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: they wanted to to be able to to you know,

436
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: fight back. Some serious injuries. We talked about two deaths,

437
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: more than a hundred arrests, and Elizabeth Crawford, who wrote

438
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: the Women's Suffrage Movement a Reference Guide had this to say. Uh,

439
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: A lot said they had been groped by the police

440
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: and mail bystanders after that. Women didn't go to these

441
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: demonstrations unprepared. So again, it's not like they has wanted

442
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: to fight. Like you said from the top end, this

443
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: was not, uh an inherently violent movement. It was a

444
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: peaceful protest um, you know, based movement. It wasn't until

445
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: they were pushed and pushed and pushed they decided they

446
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 1: needed to push back. Um. It's been a while since

447
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: I've seen it, but if I remember correctly, I believe

448
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: the mom in Mary Poppins is a suffragist, yes, and

449
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: it's like having like suffrage women suffrage meetings in their

450
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: home and they they'd all definitely appear in this kind

451
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: of dress that we're talking about. So um, probably a

452
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: little bit of an idealized version of this, but it

453
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: definitely is around the time that we're talking about, where

454
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: Mary Poppins and you know, cartoon penguins were just all

455
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: over the place. I loved it for a time. I

456
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: wanted to be a chimney sweep and uh, Mary Poppins

457
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: as both the at least the film adaptation makes a

458
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: great point about the evils of banking. So I will

459
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: say I'm glad that I'm glad that you shows a

460
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: different course of for your for your your life's trajectory, Ben,

461
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: because it turns out it's not nearly as cheery, uh

462
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: and and dancy as as one might think. Episode. Yes, yeah,

463
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: it was often like children too. They suffocated and chimneys

464
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: when they got which they I think is in the

465
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: criterion version of Mary Poppins. Uh So exactly. Let us know.

466
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: So this ends up, this tragedy ends up with as

467
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: you said, people dead and a lot of people imprisoned.

468
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: You see Garrett climbing atop the prison walls trying to

469
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: boost morale. She's singing, she's waving flags. And when people

470
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: are freed, they go to her and she teaches them

471
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: how to do basic throws aggressive policeman and then also

472
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: how to avoid bludgeon injuries by wrapping cotton and cardboard

473
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: around your ribs, sort of a mcgever kind of armor

474
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: or body protection. And yeah, and the Suffragettes appreciate Garrett.

475
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: They see and Edith a tremendous gift, a secret weapon,

476
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: and you know, and and and and they were very

477
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: protective of her too. They didn't want to risk her,

478
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, their secret what secret weapon, being arrested or

479
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: you know, separated from them. So oftentimes, you know, she

480
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: would be back at the dojo and uh, that would

481
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: be sort of a home base, and she always was

482
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: able to kind of like carry out these uh, sort

483
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: of subterfuge as when the cops came looking for the women,

484
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,239
Speaker 1: you know who smashed all the shop windows, they'd come

485
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: running back, and you know, she would like stash their

486
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: street clothes in these secret compartments we talked about earlier.

487
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: We all movements offices, yes, yes, And the escalation just

488
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: continued though, because it became clear that the suffragette forces

489
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: knew they had a righteous cause and they were not

490
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: going to be intimidated. They were not going to fold.

491
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: And so authorities kicked things up another terrible notch and

492
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: they passed the law that was officially known as the

493
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: Prisoners Temporary Discharge for Ill Health Active Night Team thirteen.

494
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: It's street name the Cat and Mouse Act. It was

495
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: part of an intense information propaganda war between feminist forces

496
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: and law enforcement. Uh. You know, I'm gonna say a

497
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: team feminist here, because they had things that aren't particularly

498
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: hot takes. They said force feeding us as an active torture,

499
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: and the government. The government is responding by releasing protesters

500
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: who were on hunger strike while imprisoned, just long enough

501
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: for them to get a little bit healthier, and then

502
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: they tracked them back down, rearrest them, re imprison them.

503
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: So they let you go out to eat, and then

504
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: they arrest catch and release is what they call it,

505
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: and then catch again. Uh. And it was probably a

506
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: way to keep eyes on them as well. Right, if

507
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: you release them and then you like surveil them, then

508
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: you get intel into what's going on with the movement

509
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: if you play your cards exactly. And we should mention

510
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: while we've spent a lot of time focusing on Edith,

511
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: she's working in concert with the organizer of the United

512
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: Kingdom Suffragette Movement, Emilyne Pankhurst. And Emilyn Pankhurst is repeatedly captured,

513
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: she's repeatedly harassed, She's leading a lot of these protests

514
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: that law enforcement objects to. Eventually, people active in the

515
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: movement realized that Pankhurst cannot be captured again. She is

516
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: too important and law enforcement also knows she's important, so

517
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: she might spend years just be moved from one jail

518
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: cell to the next, which is tough for me to

519
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: stay with a Tennessee accident jail cell. Okay, got there, juror. Yeah, Um,

520
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: this is so neat because they you know, they take

521
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: it to the next level. Um. They organized essentially like

522
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: a group, an elite squad of suffragettes, uh that they

523
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: refer to as the Bodyguard, which I love that. It's like,

524
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's not just one bodyguard. They're almost

525
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: like an army, but they're called the Bodyguard. Starry Whitney

526
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: Houston and Kevin Costner. Yeah, and I want to just

527
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: jump in here real quick about like pank Hurst. Uh.

528
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: It should also be a point of she's in the

529
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: mid fifties by this point. Yeah, exactly, so they're like, Okay,

530
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: we gotta definitely protect her. We don't want her of

531
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: just being you know everything that she she represents so much,

532
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, like just symbolically, it's important to have her

533
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: for the you know, for the women of the movement

534
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: to rally behind the media. Once again doing some kind

535
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: of tongue in cheek, I rolle kind of uh nicknaming

536
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: referred to them not as the bodyguard, but as the Amazons,

537
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: which is now a little problematic, A bit, yeah, maybe

538
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: a bit, No, it is very much a bit problematic.

539
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: So their mission. The bodyguard saw their mission as keeping

540
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: paying curses prison breaks as long as possible. These were

541
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: also people who were in very good shape. They were

542
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: willing to risk their own freedom and their own personal

543
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: safety and health. They were almost always single, because it

544
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: was considered unfair for mothers to be thrown in jail.

545
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: These were not just the most physically active folks. They

546
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: also had the most advanced knowledge of jiu jitsu in

547
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: a network of secret locations. How cool is that they

548
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: also came from the ranks of the most radical suffragettes.

549
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: They used code names, they used like disguises and stuff.

550
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: They hid bowling pin shaped clubs, flower pots and other

551
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: weapons in their dresses. They made that armor talked about

552
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: earlier card cardboard and cotton padding, and they were prepared

553
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: at any time. They were just always on call. And

554
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: some times all they would get is a ring that says, hey,

555
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: there's a car that looks like this, you need to

556
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: follow it, get on it, and you know, they would

557
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: put this stuff there, you know, strap on the cardboard,

558
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: the cotton, and they're off to the races. Uh. And

559
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: hopefully one day the I am is to be off

560
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: to the ballot box as well. So they were fighting

561
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: again for a good reason, and eventually they became even

562
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: more organized. They were not backing down in front of

563
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: the police. Uh. The police were aware of this, and

564
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: they tried to spy on Garrett's jiu jitsu lessons from

565
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: the skylights of the dojo. So pictures, Yeah, I'm right right,

566
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: the peeping Tom squad. So in our film here, picture

567
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: picture some kind of bumbling Keystone cop esque figures, just

568
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: maybe slipping and falling off the skylight or a Wilhelm

569
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: screen maybe, Max, Yes, exactly. So that's my impression of

570
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: the Wilhelm screen. It's a tough one. It's tough to

571
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: do that one. So let's go to February. It's just

572
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: a month before another big event that we'll get to

573
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: in a second called the Battle of Glasgow. Uh. The

574
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: bodyguard ak the Amazons had another tough pickle in front

575
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: of them. Pankhurst is delivering a a barn storming speech

576
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: off this balcony at someone's house in Camden Square. She

577
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: is wearing a veil and she has members of the

578
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: bodyguard at her side on the balcony and the police

579
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: are down below, like because they're thinking, as soon as

580
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: she's done, we're gonna rearrest her. And then she said,

581
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: I am coming down and I dare you just stop me?

582
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: Come at me bro yet again, but they pulled kind of.

583
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: Probably one of the only memorable or useful things from

584
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: The Phantom Menace was the body double for Natalie Portman's character, um,

585
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: which I believe was did we talk about this the

586
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: other day? Was it us? Yeah? Two different people, you heard,

587
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: two different people, but used to great effect in that

588
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: body double scenario in uh in the movie. I mean

589
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: it's that makes one of us. It's not a good movie.

590
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: That's fine. I mean, nostalgia is a hell of a drug.

591
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: I will say that. I yeah, you can like something

592
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: and not think it's good. You know, I agree, I

593
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: agree most people say about this podcast, but I mean,

594
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: jar Jar Binks has not aged well to say the least.

595
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: Let's just say that you hear the series the theory

596
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: that Lucas wanted him to be a sith lord. This

597
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, but look at maybe he'd be a little

598
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: more reserved as a lord. I don't think he'd be

599
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: like babbling and coherently in a vaguely petoid accent, yeah yeah,

600
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: pinks thing and let me know. But you're right about

601
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: the body double. You're right about the body double. They

602
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: pulled a they pulled a phantom menace. They pulled an

603
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: amadalas with cherou here um and uh. And there was

604
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: another woman wearing a veil that they sent down instead. Right, yeah, exactly,

605
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: brilliant plan and it worked. But now we have to

606
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: go to the Battle of Glasgow. So tension has continued

607
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 1: and continue to ratchet it up and things are reaching

608
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: even more of a breaking point. So there's this assembly

609
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: hall in Glasgow, Scotland, and on March nineteen, local police

610
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: officers swarmed the area to arrest Pankhurst. Again. She's one

611
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: of the loudest voices in this movement and she had

612
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: traveled from London to rally support. Again. The stuff she's

613
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: asking for does not sound like any kind of hot

614
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: take at all. It sounds like basic human rights for people.

615
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: She says, You know what, women should be able to vote,

616
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: They should be able to get divorced if they want to,

617
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: and they should be able to inherit Land. These are

618
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: all things the dudes can already do, so why not.

619
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: She also anticipated a fight. She anticipated the man coming

620
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 1: down hard, so she arrived with the bodyguard. The bodyguard

621
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: at this time is about individuals that were trained in

622
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu club fighting sabotage by Edith. Uh. They weren't

623
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: preparing for hypothetical threats. You know, as we said, they

624
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: had been beaten and assaulted by police before. The police

625
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: already had a grudge with her now by the time

626
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: she gets to Scotland, because she made them look really

627
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: dumb when the body double thing worked. So she also

628
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: made them look dumb in Scotland because when she shows

629
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: up to her own rally, she just buys a ticket

630
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: and walks in. Do they not know what she looks like? Like?

631
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: Imagine that's like that's like Kanye excuse me ya, waiting

632
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: in line for his own concert and just having to

633
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: pay the bucks or whatever. I don't know how much.

634
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: It's the thing you run into a lot in like

635
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Speaker 1: period pieces or like you know, kind of costume mystery

636
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Speaker 1: type dramas, there often is like a lack of like

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Speaker 1: awareness by the authorities as to what somebody who what

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Speaker 1: somebody looks like? You know what I mean, Like I think,

639
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe it was just a matter of like

640
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Speaker 1: it was. I mean, there was photography, of course, but

641
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't very sharp, you know, I guess, and it

642
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Speaker 1: was almost more like an artist rendering. Um. So it

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Speaker 1: does seem like it may have been more common are

644
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Speaker 1: folks to not know exactly what someone looked like? Yeah, no,

645
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Speaker 1: that's a very good point, man, And it works to

646
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: paying cursed advantage at this at this juncture. So she

647
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: comes up and they go, oh, I'm going, hey, let

648
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Speaker 1: heron or whatever. And the police are a mob. They

649
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Speaker 1: outnumber the bodyguards, like think of we said twenty five bodyguards,

650
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Speaker 1: think of like fifty plus police officers. But according to

651
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Speaker 1: this story, pank Hurst gets about thirty words out before

652
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Speaker 1: someone reacts to the police encroachment. A suffragette takes out

653
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Speaker 1: a pistol, takes aim and fires. They fire blanks, but

654
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Speaker 1: it stuns the officer. They didn't know, you know, they like,

655
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Speaker 1: who thought this would turn into a gunfight. Other officers

656
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Speaker 1: get tossed just picture them to and throw fo boom

657
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Speaker 1: fo boom foo boom. Welcome to the floor. Welcome to

658
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Speaker 1: the floor. May I introduced not only not only welcome

659
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Speaker 1: to the floor, welcome to these like easer wire filled

660
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: flower bouquets that were everywhere, and they were throwing the

661
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: cops like straight into those things. So they were getting

662
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: like all sliced up. Uh serious, Like you know, they're

663
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Speaker 1: really taking to the next level of this point in

664
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Speaker 1: terms of their planning, in terms of their you know,

665
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Speaker 1: it's just there's their their willingness to kind of do

666
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Speaker 1: whatever it took the Suffragettes, I mean, um like so

667
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: they had these like you know, razor wire laced flower

668
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: bouquets that they were using to their advantage, and the

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Speaker 1: cops were completely unaware of. Yeah. Now picture this picture this.

670
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Speaker 1: This has the climactic scene right towards the beginning of

671
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Speaker 1: the our third act in our film, there is an

672
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: all out brawl. Like Vince McMahon would be envious of

673
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: the spectacle that occurs here. And it's very dangerous because

674
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Speaker 1: it's real. They are taking out these clubs at when

675
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: we say clubs, they were called Indian clubs at the time.

676
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: Picture of bowling pin uh act. Then they were used

677
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: a lot in exercise classes, right, and now they become

678
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: a weapon. So the suffragettes have their bowling pins out. Uh.

679
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: The police didn't expect to be met with a bunch

680
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Speaker 1: of martial artists who by this time we're quite skilled.

681
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Speaker 1: So they pull out their clubs, the police pull out

682
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Speaker 1: their batons and their truncheons, and then they go at it.

683
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Speaker 1: And also the bodyguard, like you said, well they catch

684
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Speaker 1: people in barbed wire. Then this brawl happens in front

685
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Speaker 1: of four thousand folks before pink Hurst finally gets moved away. Epic,

686
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Speaker 1: totally epic. I mean, yeah, nothing quite like it in

687
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Speaker 1: history as far as I'm aware, in terms of like

688
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: this very gendered clash in the streets, you know, with

689
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Speaker 1: what many in those days might have called the fairer

690
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Speaker 1: sex getting the upper hand in a very big way.

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Speaker 1: And that was that was of the climactic battles of

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Speaker 1: the suffrage movement in the United Kingdom. But there was

693
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Speaker 1: a another battle. It was bigger than the local police,

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Speaker 1: and it was bigger than the United Kingdom itself, and

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Speaker 1: it was on the horizon. It was the outbreak of

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Speaker 1: what we call World War One today. Back then, of course,

697
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: they just called it, you know, the Great War or

698
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Speaker 1: World War horrific, horrific thing. The suffragette forces concentrated on

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Speaker 1: helping the war effort. In fact, Emmiline Pankhurst, according again

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Speaker 1: to a couple of different citations, she essentially decided that, hey,

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Speaker 1: women's rights aren't going to be of much use to

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Speaker 1: us if Germany occupies Great Britain, so we need we

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00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: need to keep the country we want to vote in free.

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Speaker 1: That was that was her calculus. And then as the

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Speaker 1: world descended into pandemonium and chaos, the Bodyguard, whom the

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Speaker 1: press called the Amazons, and Edith Garrett were almost entirely forgotten,

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Speaker 1: almost but not not entirely. Um, but yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: very very much unaware of this period or at least

709
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: the specifics, and certainly with the badass uh, you know,

710
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: hand to hand combat angle. I mean, this is really

711
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: really fascinating. But of course, as we know, um, there

712
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: is a happy ending. This is this is a movement

713
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Speaker 1: that results in over time, the goal that they set

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Speaker 1: out to achieve. And at the end of the war

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Speaker 1: in nineteen eighteen, there was a renewed kind of interest

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Speaker 1: in the suffrage movement, but the attitude had changed to

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Speaker 1: a degree in terms of like the the government's approach

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Speaker 1: to you know, the suffrage movement, and so there wasn't

719
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Speaker 1: quite the same need to you know, be militaristic in

720
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Speaker 1: the same way as it had been before. UM And

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00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: pretty quickly after the war, around eight million women got

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Speaker 1: the right to vote thanks to an act called the

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Speaker 1: Representation of the People Act UM by everyone else in

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Speaker 1: Britain was also granted the right. DIVI I'm not quite

725
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: sure what the distinction was with the eight million women

726
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: that were given the right so quickly and why it

727
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Speaker 1: took ten more years. Yeah, let's hear Max with the

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Speaker 1: facts on this one. I was looking on Wikipedia reading it.

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Speaker 1: It was like in nineteen twenty is when they extended

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00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: it to all women age twenty one or older were

731
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: able to vote. So might have been something similar to

732
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: like you know, early on in America, like if you

733
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Speaker 1: owned land you could vote. It might have just been

734
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: like that eight million was just a subsect women. It

735
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: wasn't until twenty that everyone yeah, because this right that

736
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Speaker 1: everyone had Yeah. For the first ten years. The People

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Speaker 1: Act required voters. Female voters typically to own property, but

738
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Speaker 1: it did not require men to own property. It gave

739
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Speaker 1: the right to vote to all men regardless of race

740
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Speaker 1: or class. And then it wasn't until the representation of

741
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: the people that that property requirements for women were done

742
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: away with, So that was that was the big thing.

743
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: And so we're gonna let poor people vote too, now

744
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: that we had ten years to get a running start.

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00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: So so it's a hard victory. Yeah, it is a

746
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: hard one victory and a hard fought victory, I mean,

747
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: super super interesting. Um and another example of just like

748
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: stick tuitiveness and resolve, you know, oh, ultimately ending up

749
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: getting you know, getting the right result. Um here, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a million percent. Man. Earlier, it was sort of making

751
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: the joke or you and I were both sort of

752
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: like spitballing what this movie would be, and I think

753
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: I said Suffragett, and then we the jiu jitsu or

754
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: stuff for jiu jitsu. But yeah, there is a movie

755
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: called Suffragett, and it's the first time that the suffragist

756
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: movement has really been highlighted in mainstream type of the culture.

757
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: Although I will say I think that some of these

758
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: accounts are forgetting about that scene in Mary Poppins, not

759
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: that that's like the central focus of the movie obviously,

760
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 1: but they do address it, and you see them carrying

761
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: their science and stuff. But this is an entire film.

762
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: And also I believe there's ay I've read this one,

763
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: Suffrage Suffragetsu. Yeah, it's cool. It's a trio or it's

764
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: a trilogy rather, so check that out. I should be

765
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 1: recommending more graphic novels. But but I I know we're

766
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: going a little bit long on this one. But we

767
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: hope you found this story as exciting, as inspiring, and

768
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: as compelling as the three of us did. You will

769
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Speaker 1: be happy to know that Edith continue to run the

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Speaker 1: dojo well until she retired in She lived to the

771
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: ripe old age of nine, and she even in her

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00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: last year of life. Gay Eve one one final interview

773
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: where she talked about talked about this period. Uh. And

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00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: the picture on the interview is is her locking the

775
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: journalist down, getting him in a wrist locker wrist hold. Uh.

776
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: One thing this shows us is you, guys, we gotta

777
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: start going to the gym. I think that's a secret

778
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: to longevity. We gotta start going back to the gym.

779
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: Because I sure used the pandemic as an excuse. Yeah,

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00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 1: I've I've been I've been slacking off the last couple

781
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: of weeks, but I did get a Planet Fitness membership

782
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: and you know what, I'm gonna go today and I'm

783
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: gonna do a little circuit training. Um in honor of Edith. Uh. Yeah,

784
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: there's a really great like photo kind of set uh

785
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: in Health and Strength magazine. I think, um where she's

786
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: just given the beat down to somebody. Uh. It's it's

787
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: almost cartoonish, you know, as you would say, ben um.

788
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: But the uh, I believe she wrote a play that

789
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: this was highlighting and it was called Jiu Jitsu as

790
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: a husband Tamer. It's any fantastic yep. And you want

791
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 1: to see that photos series, just google What every Woman

792
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: Ought to Know, uh, and put Edith Garrett's name in there.

793
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Speaker 1: You will see the pictures. We hope you enjoy them.

794
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: So we thought about making this a two parter because

795
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: I knew it was going to run a little long,

796
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: but it feels like just one cohesive audio film to us,

797
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: and we do hope you agree. Thanks, as always, so

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00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: much to Mr Max Williams, the man, the myth of

799
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: the legend. Thank you to the hard working and incredibly

800
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: courageous people of years gone by who have won these

801
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: invaluable human rights for people across the world today. Uh.

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00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: And then you know, just because I like him having

803
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: a hard act of following all thanks to Jonathan Strickland,

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00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: you know, so always. Yeah, I'm starting to warm back

805
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: up to that guy. He's he's sort of like, uh,

806
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: he's sort of like that the mosquito by you know,

807
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: where it's sort of annoying, but then when you scratch it,

808
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: it feels so good. You know. That's that's what's strictly

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00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: I've never scratched them, but I'll take your word for it.

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00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: Oh it feels good, but Devin it thanks to you.

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Speaker 1: I like, like we said last episode, I think we're

812
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: gonna try to get him on more of like a

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00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 1: predictable cadence, as they might say, for our own mental

814
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: podcast bis for our own mental health, because man, when

815
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: he just pops up out of nowhere, I feel like

816
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm about to have a panic attack or like some

817
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: sort of you know, brain fuke PTSD. Dude, I saw

818
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: it in the street one time and I was like,

819
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: don't ask me questions. Uh. And thanks to you know,

820
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: this was this is one of the ones I really enjoy,

821
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: you know, this is this is a story I think

822
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: more people should know what. I'm just tremendously grateful that

823
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: the three of us are able to do this every week.

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Speaker 1: Same We'll see you next time, folks. For more podcasts

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Speaker 1: from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.