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Speaker 1: The Colin Cawd Podcast, presented by FanDuel Sports Book. Hi everybody,

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Speaker 1: and welcome into the Tuesday Morning Podcast. One of the

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Speaker 1: great wide receivers in the history the league is Calvin Johnson.

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Speaker 1: He played with Matt Stafford, but he retired early like

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Speaker 1: Barry Sanders did because he was tired of their nonsense.

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Speaker 1: And we'll have in about ten minutes. Calvin Johnson stopped by,

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Speaker 1: so I was thinking about this Super Bowl being at

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Speaker 1: SOFI Stadium and years and years ago, I had a

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Speaker 1: very wokey time in America, and he was talking about

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Speaker 1: how the NBA was really connecting, and I warned him

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Speaker 1: On Twitter, nobody likes me in real life. I see

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Speaker 1: actually think the NFL is underachieved over the last fifty years.

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Speaker 1: I said, they've embraced places like Buffalo and Green Bay

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Speaker 1: the next fifty years of America's economy. And so Jerry

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Speaker 1: Jones of the Cowboys saw this years and years ago.

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Speaker 1: The story goes that many people inside the NFL were

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Speaker 1: we're in the entertainment business. Is Buffalo, is Tampa? Is

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Speaker 1: not to say that there aren't redeeming qualities about Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: But what you're watching with this Super Bowl is the

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Speaker 1: ads and Sean McVay coaching tree and offense and quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: and Los Angeles the entertainment capital of North America. And

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Speaker 1: I've felt this for some time. What you're seeing over

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years is what the NFL is

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Speaker 1: going to be going forward. Dumb coaches are done, Young

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Speaker 1: imagine any franchise business not being in Los Angeles. It's

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Speaker 1: the fifth biggest economy in the world. During the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: Forty of our fifty states need a check a bailout

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Speaker 1: In California, we have to write the government, the federal government,

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Speaker 1: a big check. Now, if you watch news networks and

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Speaker 1: listen to conservative blogs and websites, you'd swear nobody wants

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Speaker 1: to live in California. As people in football have more mobility,

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Speaker 1: teams keep getting stronger. New York state teams keep getting weaker.

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Speaker 1: What does that tell you? The big city of New York,

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Speaker 1: future of football. Smarter people win, offensive coaches win, Young

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Speaker 1: NFL going forward is going to benefit from the explosion

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Speaker 1: But I've always thought when people talk about how popular

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Speaker 1: season baseball games go on Twitter, people talk about NBA

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of hand holding, a lot of pandering,

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Speaker 1: harsh when they fail. If Aaron Rodgers just went for

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Speaker 1: go with Antonio Brown, we would go. Are you out

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00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,959
Speaker 1: finding that right culture. You know, it's it's it's it's

426
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: coachure games like management, but yeah, it's just the culture.

427
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: Who who's who is the managed? Who are the managers?

428
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: How is that environment? You know, It's funny when you

429
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: were in Detroit, there was a time, I think with

430
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 1: Jim Caldwell, it did feel like you guys were getting

431
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: really close to turning the corner playoffs, and then what happened.

432
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: The band broke up. The band was broke. I mean

433
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: the guys, the leaders on the team, the vest on

434
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: the team, that D line, some of the albums, the line.

435
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: You know, they kind of got broke up. And then

436
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: at that point, you know, you gotta either field those

437
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: spots or or it's like a rebuild at that point.

438
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: And that's what kind of what it turned into, almost

439
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: is Williams rebuild. I think Matthew might have got to

440
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: the playoffs one more time there with that team, but yeah,

441
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: at that point, I feel like the D line was gone.

442
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: It just wasn't enough there to say that these guys

443
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: are going to be taken to the championship. Do you

444
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: remember the moment that you decided. Could have been a

445
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: car ride home, could have been a bad practice, maybe

446
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: it was rehab or something that you could you take

447
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: me to the moment that you just decided. Man, Like Brady.

448
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: I mean, Brady had a great season and there was

449
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: a moment this year at some point he just he

450
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: was driving home to see his family and it's like,

451
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to go back to work. Do you

452
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: remember that moment for you? Man? That moment came after

453
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: my eighth year. I love telling the story because, you know,

454
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: after the season's over with, you know, the first thing

455
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: smoking back to Georgia, you know, because it's cold, it's

456
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: gray up here in Michigan, trying to get out of here,

457
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: go back and sit on my dad's couch. I'm sitting

458
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: there like, man that I don't know if if I

459
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: got out of anymore. It's just you know, just talking

460
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: and talking to him just like it's not fun. He

461
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: was like, what you mean, you know, just you know,

462
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: just running around and playing in pain kind of just

463
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: zapps all the fun out of it and think I

464
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: don't think I'm done. And he asked me a question.

465
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: He was like, well, he sat there and asked me like,

466
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: you think you got one more in you And I

467
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: didn't say now. I sat there, he was thinking about it,

468
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: and he was like, well, since you're thinking about it,

469
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 1: you can do it one more time. So honestly, it's

470
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: that eighth year. After that eighth year, I already made

471
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: up my mind. I was like, hey, I just don't

472
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: I don't have to love. I don't feel like I

473
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: don't feel like going through the pain to do all

474
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: I got to do to get ready for the season anymore.

475
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: It hurts. The fun was zapped out of it. I

476
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: was done with it. I always had a disdain for

477
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: the game. That's why it was like, I didn't watch

478
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: football after I got done. I didn't want to. I didn't.

479
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to see anything football. I didn't want

480
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: to watch football, didn't you know. I didn't care. But

481
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, I love seeing my guys, the guys I

482
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: played with. I'm still a fan of those guys. So

483
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it's football, love football, So of course I'm

484
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: watching now. But just it's just at the time, I

485
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: just didn't didn't have any more love for it. Yeah,

486
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: I totally get that. I mean, listen, it was breaking

487
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: you physically, and I mean that changes your quality of

488
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 1: life right right, and playing I mean people that live

489
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: in pain changes your quality of life versus you know,

490
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: being happy, you know, having the things that you need

491
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: to make you feel good to be happy, your family,

492
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: all those things. You know, it's all about quality of

493
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: life for me. And that's why I mean my business

494
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: adventures reflect that. When you know, sometimes like a guy

495
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: like me, I would watch your career and say, oh,

496
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: that may have been as happiest or that may have

497
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: been as happiest, but if you you know, categorized the

498
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: moments that it could have been when it could have

499
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: been a moment, do you have one or two where

500
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: I would be surprised that I would be like really

501
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: and there was just there was something about a relationship

502
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: or a moment that's that Just as I say it,

503
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: it comes into your head and you think, God, that

504
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: was That was when football was at its best for me. Yeah,

505
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: I thought to say, when it's easy, that's easy. When

506
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: we were playoff bound, we were over in England playing

507
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: like the Falcons and stuff like that. You know, it

508
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: was awesome because we were all hanging out in London,

509
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, partying, just the whole all the starters on

510
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: the squad really, and I'm like, this is what this is,

511
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: where it's at. This is this is a squad. It's

512
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: gonna take us to the super Bowl. This is squad

513
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: is gonna get us to the playoffs. If you want

514
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: to go, we want to go. These are the guys

515
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: here in this room. Maybe there's another addition to too,

516
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: but that's that's when we were feeling like, yeah, we

517
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: got we got what we need right here in the

518
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: house to take it where we want to be. Was

519
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: it was it a mix of old and young guys? Yes,

520
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: yep it was. You know you got the Dominique Rayolas,

521
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: you got the Dominican shoes. You know, it's probably like

522
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: older middle range and a couple of young guys too. Yeah.

523
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: When you see coaches in this league now getting really young.

524
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: I mean the Dolphins hired a guy who looks like

525
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: it looks like he's thirty one years old, twenty nine

526
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: years old. Do you how Because I do think certain

527
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: coaches have a presence. I think it's really valuable Calvin,

528
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: Like in college football, like Mario crystal Ball or Jim Harball,

529
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: they want into a room to recruit you. They have

530
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: a presence. Maybe it doesn't matter as much in the NFL,

531
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: but I do look at some of these coaches and

532
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, they look like they would be one

533
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: of my kids. And how much does that matter? Presence,

534
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: personality beyond the schematics. Does that stuff matter. I think that, yeah,

535
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: you want to have a presence, but I think at

536
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: the end of the day, as long as you're honest

537
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: with your guys and your guys have a sense of

538
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: authenticity for you, you know, I think that they can

539
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: give over the fact that, hey, it's a couple of

540
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: might be older. Yeah. I think about Kellen Moore. Kellen

541
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: Moore is like a baby out there. Kellen Moore is

542
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: and we're in the same locker room. I can't fathom

543
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: him being a head coach, but he's on that track though,

544
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: you know, I mean kudos to him, but I think

545
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: that for him in that situation, he's not the biggest guy,

546
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: but he could commanded with respect of the locker room

547
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: if he communicates with all the office players and keeps

548
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: it real. He doesn't keep treating one player or congrugle

549
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: players different than the rest. By the way, you you're

550
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: involved in a business researching how cannabis helps players with pain.

551
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: So my mom was a nurse when she was from

552
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: Great Britain. She moved over here at fourteen years old

553
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: to the States and then you know, had me years later.

554
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: But she was pretty progressive on that kind of stuff

555
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: because she'd seen people in chronic pain. And in your research,

556
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: if I didn't know anything about cannabis when you started

557
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: searching it, what are the one or two things that

558
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: initially surprised you. First thing it never surprised me about

559
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: cannabis is that we have a system built into our

560
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: bodies that it sells cannada, cannabinuis. You heard of that,

561
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: your endocannabinoid system. So that's why I start out with people.

562
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 1: I tell them to understand your endocannabinoid system and how

563
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 1: cannabis interacts with the human body. That's the first thing,

564
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: and then we have further conversation beyond that and really

565
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: get into the different cannabinueis and the different things that

566
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: make cannabis have the effect it has on the body.

567
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: And another thing people think about cannabis as you know,

568
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: you just smoke it. Okay, that's a negative stigma. You know.

569
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: We're here to highlight the healing powers of the plant.

570
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: And there's the different applications of the plant too. It's

571
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: not just the just to go smoke it and roll

572
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: it up. There's topicals. You know, there's tinctures that kids

573
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: use to help them with seizures. You know, there's you know,

574
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: we've heard of search Charlotte's Web. You know, those guys

575
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: are doing a great thing because they're they're allowing um,

576
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: you know, kids to have issues to actually consuming. They're

577
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: kids aren't getting high, but it's calming them down and

578
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: doing what they need to do for the kids to

579
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: have a quality of life. That's what it's all about.

580
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: ENDOCANNABINOI assystem those where I'll started. Yeah, I don't even

581
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: know how to spell that, Calvin, but I'm gonna google

582
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: it the minute I get off this. When when did

583
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: you first connect with it? When did you start being

584
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: interested in that business? I first started being interested in

585
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: the business, say, uh, probably six seven, eight years ago,

586
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: shortly after I retired. Around when I retired. I was

587
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: definitely I always had an interest in it. You know,

588
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: I have my experiment with cannabis and college, but it

589
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: really wasn't until I really got to understand that, Hey,

590
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: this thing has different applications. Oh really, let's get down

591
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: to the science of this. So it's funny you have

592
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: a mom in the medical field. What was her reaction

593
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: to your parents? And you know, you've got said you

594
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: had doctors in the family, and it's like, you know,

595
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: Calvin's getting into the cannabis business and was there. So

596
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: I was shunned, Like what are you? My mom didn't

597
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: like it one hundred My mom did not like it

598
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: one bit. But really it's just all about it educate people.

599
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: My mom's from the South Bible Belt. You know, obviously

600
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: my mom's black, but we've been disproportionately affected by this,

601
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: so obviously in black families in the South, it is

602
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: really probably not going to be okay to be messing

603
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: around with cannabis. But after educating our only hill of

604
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: powers of the plant, Mom's not asking me, hey, can

605
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: you bring a topical down when you come? My knee's

606
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 1: a little store, you know, Okay, I mean it's been

607
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: working for uncle's Hey, can you see me some of

608
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: that topical? You know, it's just uh, it's working. There's applications,

609
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: and it's working for people's pain and swelling in different

610
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: variety of issues. Now you're in Michigan right now, right,

611
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: it's sir. Now you're from the South. You chose Georgia

612
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: Tech for the South. My wife's from Michigan and you

613
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: stayed up in cold Michigan. Why what was it about

614
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: the state that attracted you? Business keeps me here. I

615
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: mean all my adult life has been here. I've been

616
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: here since twenty twenty one years old, so I've lived

617
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: my whole adult life up here. I've grown to love Michigan.

618
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: My wife has gotten me out on them. No, you know,

619
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm from the South, so I don't do anything on ice.

620
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: But my life, I'm I'm a snowboarder. Now I love it,

621
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: you know. So, Uh, Michigan is home for me. It's

622
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: gray right now. But business is great, you know. It's

623
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: it's keeping me up and on the up and up.

624
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: And uh that's why I'm here. Yeah, it's it's I mean,

625
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: from food to music, to sports to politics, it's really

626
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: an incredibly vibrant state. I don't think a lot of

627
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: people they just don't understand it. They don't. People don't.

628
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: I mean, the musical history is incredible. I remember I

629
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: remember going to the super Bowl in Detroit. I forget

630
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: who played in that and yep, the Greek food, oh

631
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: my god. And I remember coming home and telling friends,

632
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just think I just had the best

633
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: Greek food. And then you have Deerborn, Michigan, which I

634
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: think has Middle Eastern food if I have fire recall,

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Speaker 1: How you what you feel? Man? I like both quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: because I think he deserves it. I've seen him work,

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Speaker 1: I just hope he gets it, man, I really do.

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Speaker 1: But I'm a fan. I'm a fan of the game.

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Speaker 1: always man appreciate it. Good to see Colin, Good to

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Speaker 1: see you, Calvin Johnson. The volume