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Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ. Bucky

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Speaker 1: back with you. Buck. How you doing man? Man? It's

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Speaker 1: good good. I mean, we keep talking about ball being great,

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Speaker 1: Like we had a great football weekend. We had a

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Speaker 1: It was not it was not great. What is gonna

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Speaker 1: be great is our buddy Jim Naggy, who runs the

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Speaker 1: Reese's Senior Bowl, and there's a long time NFL scout

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Speaker 1: and good friend of ours. He's gonna join us talk

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Speaker 1: about what he's seen the NFL as well as a

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Speaker 1: preview a little bit of who could be coming to

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Speaker 1: Mobile for the premier All Star Game in the land.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk to Nags a little bit later

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Speaker 1: on in the show. But I you can't say that

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Speaker 1: was good football last night was not good. It was good.

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Speaker 1: That's it was solid. It was good. They literally was

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Speaker 1: the way, do you watch did you watch the regular

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Speaker 1: I saw all the comments about people talking about are

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Speaker 1: I heard marshau. I just looked up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: have been a hit in my household. But I put

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Speaker 1: I did see Brady was on there and NFL Breeze.

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Speaker 1: It's just a fun it's it's what we do on

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Speaker 1: have the answer on campus when you decide to do that,

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Speaker 1: after five star on top of each other, and then

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Speaker 1: the competitive stuff. So again, like when I went to

429
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Speaker 1: that game, they keep the two safeties and those two

430
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Speaker 1: guys are locked, and then they rotate the other nine guys.

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Speaker 1: Even the corners come out. So when they get on

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Speaker 1: the field, it's almost like a coach's dream, right, Like

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Speaker 1: you get those guys in the field and they just

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Speaker 1: play with their hair on fire, and then they're out

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Speaker 1: there in for three or four plays. Um, it is

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Speaker 1: just it is so much fun to watch. Again. I

437
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Speaker 1: don't know how many first rounders are gonna have. They're

438
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Speaker 1: gonna have a few, um, for sure. But that is

439
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Speaker 1: as fun a defense to watch is there's been in

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Speaker 1: the last ten or fifteen years of college football. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's funny because we're so used to think about the

442
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Speaker 1: best players coming out of the SEC, because that's where

443
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Speaker 1: we put the best scalts. Typically, that's what we have seen.

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Speaker 1: Give me a team that is loaded with prospects that

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Speaker 1: is not in the SEC. I would probably go back

446
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Speaker 1: to that Cincinnati team, guys, I really would. I mean,

447
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,879
Speaker 1: Desmond Ritters getting a lot of the hype, and he should.

448
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Speaker 1: I mean, Desmond's gonna be one of the top quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: I think this year's quarterback class is gonna be very

450
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Speaker 1: similar to last year, and that you know that top

451
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Speaker 1: five went there in the in the top fifteen. But

452
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Speaker 1: you I talked to guys all around the league as

453
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Speaker 1: I do. I mean, if you talked to ten teams,

454
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Speaker 1: they would have all at a different order on those

455
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Speaker 1: guys last year. And I think this year's class is

456
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Speaker 1: gonna be similar. Um, you know, with with Desmond Ritter

457
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Speaker 1: and Malik Willis and Kenny Pickett. Um, I think Kenny's

458
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Speaker 1: played his way into that conversation. There's a couple of

459
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Speaker 1: juniors that I don't want to talk about that will

460
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Speaker 1: probably as well. Um. But but yeah, so that's that's

461
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Speaker 1: you know, that's that's really gonna be a fun position

462
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Speaker 1: group to kind of watch them work it out. But

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati's deepense with Sanders, Um, Kobe Bryant. They got Sauce Gardner,

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Speaker 1: another junior corner again, he you know, he's he's probably

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Speaker 1: gonna come out. Just talking to the guys in the

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Speaker 1: building there, Darien Beaver's brought you know, Brian Cook, the

467
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Speaker 1: safety has played really really well this year. Um, So

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Speaker 1: I would go for for a quote unquote group of

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Speaker 1: five school. I mean, you're gonna see five, six, seven, eight,

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Speaker 1: nine guys drafted off that team. Maybe i'mna ask you

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Speaker 1: about a guy it's not draft eligible because we can

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Speaker 1: make the rules. Um. But just being in being in Alabama,

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious. It's it's a year where a year away. Um,

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Speaker 1: But what's your take on Bryce what you've seen from

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Speaker 1: him just watching Alabama play? Yeah, I'll take it back

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Speaker 1: to last summer when I was out in your Necklwoods

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Speaker 1: in Santa Monica for Steve Clarkson's QB retreat and got

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Speaker 1: to spend some time with Bryce. First of all, man

479
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Speaker 1: like his parents did an unbelievable job raising that kid.

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Speaker 1: He is so grounded. Um. And you're watching throw I

481
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Speaker 1: mean the ball really the root ball really comes out. Um.

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Speaker 1: You saw that last year when you were evaluating Mac

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Speaker 1: and Bryce would get in Latin games. I mean there

484
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Speaker 1: was a difference in arm strength between Mac and Bryce. Um.

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Speaker 1: And that's the crazy thing you get up on him.

486
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Speaker 1: He's not a very big person. Um. I was at

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Speaker 1: the game of Tuscaloos on Saturday against Tennessee, and what

488
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Speaker 1: I really like to see was Bryce running a little

489
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Speaker 1: more and using that athleticism. And I don't know if

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Speaker 1: that's been dialed back by the coaching staff. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if that's like self preservation mode by Bryce himself, Um,

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Speaker 1: that he doesn't want to expose himself running the football.

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Speaker 1: Um for a young guy. He does a great job

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Speaker 1: of maintaining his focus down the field. That's what I like.

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Speaker 1: But him him just using his legs this week and

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Speaker 1: pulling the ball down. He's He's just pretty He's a

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Speaker 1: pretty unique talent for for a smaller quarter act like

498
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Speaker 1: the live arm, Like there's some really uniqueness to him.

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Speaker 1: He has a very unique quarterback. I don't know, even

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Speaker 1: going into high school, I don't know if he ever

501
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Speaker 1: really utilized his legs a lot. He's always kind of

502
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Speaker 1: fancy himself as a pass and so it'll be interesting

503
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Speaker 1: to see if he does utilize that part of it.

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Speaker 1: Is there anybody else that we could be missing at quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Because you talked about We asked you about Bryce. You

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Speaker 1: mentioned Desmond Ritter, who is somebody else that out of

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Speaker 1: the blue could kind of took a lot fancy as

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Speaker 1: a top quarterback. Uh, you know Bailey's Appy at Western

509
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Speaker 1: Kentucky is a really interesting guy coming over from Houston

510
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 1: Baptist with his coordinator. Um, he's just one of the guys.

511
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Speaker 1: He reminds me a little bit of like when Gardner

512
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Speaker 1: Minshew started to enter the mix his senior year. You know,

513
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Speaker 1: I started getting calls from some somebody's out west like hey,

514
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Speaker 1: you better check out this guy at Washington State. And

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Speaker 1: we all remember Gardner's background with you know him being

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Speaker 1: at e c U and being a Troy and being

517
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Speaker 1: a community college. Um, you know Bailey's you know is

518
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Speaker 1: it is kind of a similar path in terms of

519
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Speaker 1: him like a one year guy at the fbist level. Um.

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Speaker 1: You watch the Michigan State game, you watch the Indiana

521
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Speaker 1: game game. You know, his his high profile games right

522
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Speaker 1: playing up against big ten teams, and he played really

523
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Speaker 1: good football in those games. Um, but really at the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: But we we can't talk enough about Kenny Pickett because

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Speaker 1: of where he started to fall. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you know, we've seen Joe Burrow jump, We've

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Speaker 1: seen Mac Jones jump. Um. And I'll take this back

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Speaker 1: to last year. You know, we invited Kenny Pickett last

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Speaker 1: year with the Senior Bowl. Um. He didn't officially accept

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Speaker 1: his invite, but I got a call from Kenny. He

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Speaker 1: wanted to talk through Jim, where do you see me at?

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Speaker 1: You know, where where do you see me at? Where?

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Speaker 1: Where are you hearing from your friends in the league?

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Speaker 1: Where I'm at? And it was really fourth or fifth round.

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Speaker 1: I was really open with with Kenny, like I never

536
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Speaker 1: bs these players. UM. I told him right now, if

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Speaker 1: he came out, you're probably four or five US and

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Speaker 1: most teams see you as a really good backup. You know,

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Speaker 1: a guy that could come in and hold the fourth down.

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Speaker 1: You know, I told him he reminded me of Kirk

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Speaker 1: Cousins coming out a year ago. And I'll raise my

542
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Speaker 1: hand on that. When I was wrong on Kirk Cousins,

543
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Speaker 1: like he is far exceeded I thought he. I thought

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Speaker 1: Kirk would be a really good backup player in the league,

545
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Speaker 1: and he's obviously been way more than that. So I

546
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Speaker 1: was wrong on kirk Um. But so to see Kenny

547
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Speaker 1: come back and really put it all together, and I

548
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,719
Speaker 1: just watched him again the other day. The arm strength

549
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 1: is better, He's throwing the ball with more zip, he's

550
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Speaker 1: not forcing the ball, he's cut down on turnovers. Um,

551
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Speaker 1: he even looks, you know, even athletically. I don't know

552
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Speaker 1: if he lost weight in the offseason, but he's getting

553
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Speaker 1: out of trouble more um. Just putting a lot of

554
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Speaker 1: good things on tape. So that you know, it's gonna

555
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Speaker 1: be a really interesting pre draft process um with this

556
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Speaker 1: quarterback group and see how it all shakes out. What

557
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Speaker 1: is the last question for me on the prospects, Not

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Speaker 1: not specifics on players, Jim, but just strength wise thus far,

559
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Speaker 1: senior Bowl wise, Where is the position where the board

560
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Speaker 1: is just stacked tight end. Tight end is loaded. Interesting. Yeah,

561
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Speaker 1: it's a really good class, to the point where I

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Speaker 1: think we're probably gonna under invite a wide receiver. Um

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Speaker 1: it maybe over invited tight end a little bit. That's

564
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Speaker 1: never happened before. Yeah, that's never happening. You guys at

565
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Speaker 1: the league's looking for tight ends right now. Um. I

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Speaker 1: hate to say it, but you guys know this wide

567
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Speaker 1: receiver as a diamond doesn't position. There's a million of them.

568
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Speaker 1: I mean every school in the country's got two or

569
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Speaker 1: three guys that are catching sixty balls now. Um, so

570
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Speaker 1: you can find those guys later in the draft. Everyone

571
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Speaker 1: wants big, big tight ends and like duel tight ends,

572
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Speaker 1: and there's a bunch of those guys in this year's draft.

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Speaker 1: So that's a really heavy spot. We're usually stretching to

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Speaker 1: get to like six guys we feel good about coming

575
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Speaker 1: down to be Usually it's like some hybrids, dude. Normally

576
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Speaker 1: you gotta get some hybrid fullback h back type guys

577
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Speaker 1: in there just to fill out kyl and grantson Trayvon

578
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Speaker 1: west Coat aside to Guara. I know this guys went third,

579
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Speaker 1: fourth round, but yeah, this year will be it. We could,

580
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Speaker 1: we could probably invite twelve tight ends, um that we

581
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Speaker 1: feel good about. In the normal year, we're probably stretching

582
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Speaker 1: to get to six. Wow. Man, it makes me feel

583
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Speaker 1: good about my little number eight Jersey down to and

584
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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl lore in history that I wasn't one that

585
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Speaker 1: won the last of the wide receivers that could go

586
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Speaker 1: down to n be a big group. Now we only

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Speaker 1: have two wide receivers and eight tight ends out there

588
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: round like like cal Pitts. I mean, yes, just shrinking

589
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Speaker 1: them off the field, just moving them off the field. Jim,

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. No, I mean we've been lucky guys. I

591
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Speaker 1: mean the last couple of years. You look at the

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Speaker 1: game and with the Chase Clay Pools and and Deebo,

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Speaker 1: Samuel Is in Brandon au Convan Jefferson, I mean there's

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Speaker 1: there's been some really good Cooper coup going back to

595
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Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, this class is just a little thinner

596
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Speaker 1: at the wide receiver spot. Yeah. Well, now, because it's

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Speaker 1: great to catch up, but I'm I'm kind of in

598
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Speaker 1: the early portion of my of my process here. I've

599
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: done some some Alabama defense, I've done some Georgia defense.

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Speaker 1: It was a pretty good place for me to start

601
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Speaker 1: as I was as cranking up and and actually a

602
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: good group of of tackles that I've been able to

603
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Speaker 1: kind of get through the top four or five guys,

604
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Speaker 1: including the kid from Northern Iowa. Penning is a good player.

605
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: So there's a um it's a good group. Man. I

606
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Speaker 1: love catching up with you during this time of year,

607
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: and we're gonna we're gonna keep doing this. As we

608
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Speaker 1: marched towards the Senior Bowl, Um, man, I did you

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Speaker 1: have you had a recess yet? Today? Though? Can I

610
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Speaker 1: can I finish you up with that? We we we

611
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Speaker 1: breakfast brunch? What time do you have your first recess?

612
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Speaker 1: Every day? I went kit kat at about nine am. Okay,

613
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: also products, so there you go. It's our family. Yeah,

614
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: they get us. They get us a couple of four

615
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Speaker 1: hundred pound pallets a year, twite twice a year we

616
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Speaker 1: get a four in pound pallet. So that second one

617
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Speaker 1: come in soon. It's gonna be on that point. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's gotta be some pressure on the Reese's Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: come Halloween. You guys got to do something, man. I mean,

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00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: you're literally sponsored by Hershey Company here and it's Halloween, Like,

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Speaker 1: what what do we have going on with the Senior

622
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: Bowl for for Halloween? Well, I will say this, the

623
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Speaker 1: kids in my neighborhood know which house to come to

624
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Speaker 1: because they get the full size Reese's cups. They get

625
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: packed twizzlers. So yeah, maybe we're we're in the house

626
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: to hit once a year. I think the kids all

627
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: know that by now. All right there, you heard that.

628
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: Everybody in Alabama. Make your way over to the Navy household.

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Speaker 1: Get yourself some good full size candy. Uh, Jim, you're

630
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: the best, Bud. Good to see man. Yeah, great to

631
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: see you guys, Thank you, appreciate it, all right, Bucks,

632
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: Great to catch up with Jim. Great as always. He's

633
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: just he's a great dude. Does a great job with

634
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. They've Man, you look at all the

635
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: guys they've been churning out, especially at the quarterback position,

636
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: just identifying the right guys. And I think we've seen

637
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Speaker 1: time and time again, uh, players go into the Reeseas

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl week with their stock at a certain level

639
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Speaker 1: and then using that week to really elevate themselves all

640
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Speaker 1: the way up. Yeah. I mean it has always been

641
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: kind of one of the benefits of playing in the

642
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl is the opportunity to elevate uh your draft

643
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: stock because you get a chance to play against the

644
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: best of the best. You get a chance to play

645
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Speaker 1: in an NFL system, coach by NFL coaches. Everyone is

646
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: there and it's a big stage. And we have seen

647
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: the guys who shined the brightest on that stage tend

648
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: to have immediate success in the National Football League. Going

649
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: back to when we used to see Aaron Donald and

650
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: you're like, man, is this guy gonna be able to dominate?

651
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: But then he dominated everybody throughout the room, can continue

652
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: to be a dominant player, And I mean there are

653
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: a million tails We've seen those kinds of players. So

654
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: it's a it's a great opportunity to show improve two

655
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Speaker 1: scouts in the football world that you are ready to

656
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: be a guy that can have im media success at

657
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: the next level, no doubt. Um. All right, there's one

658
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: other topic I want to get to before we wrap

659
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: things up today. It's it's baseball related. We always like

660
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: to bounce around and talk about team building in different sports.

661
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: So I've got a baseball thought. I want to hit

662
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Speaker 1: you on and we're gonna do that. After this, all right, bucks.

663
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: So I'm listening to Tim Kawakami's podcast and he has

664
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Speaker 1: far Han Zaidi, who is the president of the San

665
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: Francisco Giants, who's one of the most respected guys in baseball,

666
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: had been under Andrew Freeman with the Dodgers, leaves the

667
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: Dodgers after they've had all that success, goes to the Giants,

668
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: and they've quickly turned things around UH and led the

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Speaker 1: major leagues in wins this year even though they were

670
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: outed by the UH by the Dodgers in the postseason,

671
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Speaker 1: ounced by the Dodgers. I should say so, UM fascinated

672
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: by him and analytic approach that he takes. And there

673
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Speaker 1: were two things he said on his podcast that stood

674
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Speaker 1: out to me, so I want to get your thoughts

675
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: on him individually. The first one was so when he

676
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: was interviewing with the Giants, UM he said he he

677
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: like interrupted the owner when he was interviewing him and said, look,

678
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: just so you know, don't ask for a three year plan,

679
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: of five year plan or a ten year plan. I

680
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: don't really believe in that. Our plan is we're going

681
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: to be better this year than we were last year.

682
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: And then the plan is to get better the next year,

683
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: like taking each individual season one at a time and

684
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: just focusing on being a little bit better the next year.

685
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: And he said, eventually we'll get to the point where

686
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Speaker 1: we we can have sustained success once we get to

687
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: that level, but the focus and and and in our

688
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: direction is always going to be in one year increments.

689
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Speaker 1: I thought that was fascinating. You know, I think it

690
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: is fascinating, but I think it's the best way to

691
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Speaker 1: do it. One of the best coaches that I ever

692
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: played for was Marty Schotenheimer, and Marty Schottenheimer coined one

693
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: and no mentality. Right, We're gonna focus on this week.

694
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 1: This is the only thing that is important for us.

695
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: We can put all our efforts into making sure that

696
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: we maximize who we are this week, and at the

697
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: end of the week, we want to make sure that

698
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: we walk away with it. And when next week comes,

699
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: we'll go right back to having a one and no mentality.

700
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Speaker 1: I think what he is suggesting is let's focus on

701
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: this season, because sometimes we can get too foreign New

702
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: Weeds thinking about the possibilities of the future and rather

703
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: than how can I make this team great for the

704
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: month of a and May, in June, and then as

705
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Speaker 1: we get down the stretch, what moves can we make

706
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: in June, July, and August to put us in a

707
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: situation where it really means stuff in September when it counts.

708
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: You think about the Atlanta Braves, and we've talked about

709
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: this privately. The Atlanta Braves basically flipped their team in

710
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: the middle of the season to go from a sub

711
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: five team to a team that is now in the

712
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Speaker 1: World Series. DJ. If you have handcuffed yourself to the

713
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: notion of well, in two or three years, will will

714
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: be good. So we need to just kind of we

715
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: just need to just kind of ride this out. You're

716
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: unable or unwilling to make those moves. But if you

717
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: are a team that is nope, one the best team

718
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: for this year and when next year comes, we'll deal

719
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: with next year. You have that freedom and flexibility because

720
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: your mindset, you're not so locked into this long term

721
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: thinking that can prevent you from missing out on great

722
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: opportunities when it comes to building your roster. It's really interesting, man,

723
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Speaker 1: that the the other thing that he said in there,

724
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Speaker 1: which kind of eyes in with this, is he said

725
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: he was asked about the fact, they only have one

726
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: of their pictures that's under contract, one of their starting

727
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: pictures for next year. It's that four open spots in

728
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: their rotation. He didn't even seem worried about it. He's like,

729
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: we've proven that we can get the most out of

730
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 1: the performance of our pictures and done it with their

731
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: hitters as well. Um, but we've seen guys come in

732
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: on one year deals and play really well and then

733
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: launched themselves into other contracts. And so basically the thought processes,

734
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,479
Speaker 1: we're gonna find guys that are coming off of an

735
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: injury or that are coming off of a down year,

736
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: but they're talented. So we've identify the talent. We believe

737
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: in our development and our ability to get you to

738
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: perform at a peak level. So I put it in

739
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: my own words here, basically was we're going to pay

740
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: our own guys as they come up through our system

741
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: because we have all the knowledge of them from a health, mentality,

742
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: work ethic, we know everything about them. We're comfortable we'll

743
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: give those guys, will pay those guys, So we'll we'll

744
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: pay them, will buy our own players. We're we'll rent

745
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: free agents. We're not gonna bring in free agents on

746
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: these six and seven and ten and twelve year contracts.

747
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: Free agents come in, We'll identify talented individuals. We can

748
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: get them on a one year deal. They come in,

749
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: they play well, they're motivated, helps them, helps us, and

750
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: then well we can cycle through some of those guys.

751
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: They don't mind doing that. I thought it's fascinating. Man. Well,

752
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: I think that is fascinating and I think it's a

753
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: it's a unique approach. We see it in basketball all

754
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: the time, right We'll see teams take the veteran exemption

755
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: and kind of build the back part of their roster

756
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: with these guys on one year prove it deals or

757
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: one year deals to fit in while they're chasing rings

758
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: and those things. Um, we've seen some teams in football

759
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: a little bit with the one year deal kind of

760
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: putting it together like you can do it in Tampa

761
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: a little bit because now you have Tom Brady and

762
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: everyone is chasing a ring with him. So you get

763
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown and the Dominican Sue and some of these

764
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: other guys to kind of roll the dice at the

765
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: end of their career. Is because they're chasing a championship.

766
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: But what the Giant so suggesting is at a critical position,

767
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: right picture is the way that you have to win

768
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: the World Series. They're saying that we want guys on

769
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: one year notes that are either high they motivated, or

770
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: very undervalued and their value is depreciated either coming off

771
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: an injury or coming off a down year. But their

772
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: skill set suggest that they should be able to bounce

773
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: out kind of bounce back from that situation. To me,

774
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: when you do that, Scotting Staff has to be good

775
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: in terms of being able to know, like, at his best,

776
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: this player is this at his worst, this is where

777
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: he is. And then the people who handle the money

778
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: in the cap, they have to be able to slot, well,

779
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: what does that value approximate to? What is the right value?

780
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: What are we willing to pay for what we call

781
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: maybe an educated guests or gamble. You build it out

782
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: that way you have success, and then if you have

783
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: a ton of success doing that, your place becomes the

784
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: bounce back squad where you come play for us, you thrive.

785
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: We may not pay you somebody. Yeah, that's where you

786
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: want to go if you're a player, right right, I

787
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: think where I can play at a high level get

788
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: get paid. I think that's kind of a Miami Heat

789
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: type deal. When it comes to basketball, people go to

790
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,479
Speaker 1: Miami in a way to rebuild their career because people

791
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: talk about Heat culture and how they developed the players

792
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: and all the other stuff. So you play your best

793
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: in Miami and then you go and get paid elsewhere.

794
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: And it's a business arrangement where every all parties understand

795
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: exactly what this is. This is an opportunity for us

796
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: on a one year run up to have the best

797
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: team that we can have. It's an opportunity for you

798
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: to play the best that you can play, and then

799
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, either we will pay

800
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: you or someone else is willing to pay big money

801
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: for your performance that you did. Why you with us?

802
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: This is the reason why I bring this up and

803
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: tie it back to football, because we got to trade

804
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: that line coming up. And one of the things I

805
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: think you can kind of look at the Giant situation

806
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: is they've been able to identify guys and say, Okay,

807
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: we believe in the talent. Maybe they're a little bit misused.

808
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: You know, if you're if you're a picture, maybe it's

809
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: their their their sequencing, how they sequence their pitches. Maybe

810
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: you know, if he would just use a slider more

811
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: than he's doing there. We can, we will, we will

812
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: help him with how to incorporate his weapons. And I

813
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: think about football, like the Jags tell me about this guy, Like,

814
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by a guy like Calevan Chase on the

815
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: first round pick for the Jags. Highly athletic coming out

816
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: of L s U. I don't think he's a great

817
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: fit for for what they're doing there. Hasn't been successful. Um,

818
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: is that somebody that another team can say, you know what,

819
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: but what he does really well? You know, he can

820
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: run and we can free him up from responsibility. We

821
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: can get him, um detached and let him just kind

822
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: of chase and hunt and we can get more out

823
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: of that player than maybe his team that has him

824
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: right now, let's identify him. I could just see like

825
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: some of these first round picks over the last couple

826
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: of years, Um, Jalen Reagor hasn't been a you know,

827
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: hasn't been a big hit for the Philadelphia Eagles. Like

828
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: does some team identify him and say, okay, well we

829
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: can cast him in a role or maybe we think

830
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: he'd be more comfortable and maybe we get more out

831
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: of him because you get picked in the first round

832
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: because you have ability. Nobody gets picked in the first

833
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: round and has no talent. These guys do have ability

834
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: at just for whatever reason hasn't worked out. Yeah, so, uh,

835
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: this is funny and I I'm so excited and in

836
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: prisoners because I played for both of these people, so

837
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: Al Davis and Ron Wolf. I learned a ton about

838
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: personnel and player acquisition and development having played for the

839
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: Raiders and the Packers. But I did it in reversal

840
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: because I played for the Packers. So I would always

841
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: hear Ron Wolf tell Al Davis stories. Right, So, one

842
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: thing that Al Davis and the Raiders have always done

843
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: if you go back and look at the history, particularly

844
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: Mr Davis was a live They always keep the can

845
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: on first round picks and Mr Davis would always talk

846
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: about when someone is drafted in the first round, they

847
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: have a level talent. Our job is to see if

848
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: a chain of scenery or a new scheme or a

849
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: new voice in his ear can maximize that talent. Ron

850
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: Wolf did the same thing with the Green Bay Packers,

851
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: and we've all been around executives that kind of took

852
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: a similar philosophy when it came to that. Hey, when

853
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Speaker 1: you're drafted in the first round. Typically DJ, you get

854
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: three bites at the apple, right, it's the first bite

855
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: where you get drafted, it's the second opportunity where someone

856
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Speaker 1: gives you an opportunity to redeem yourself, and it's the

857
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Speaker 1: third by the scout that was in love with you.

858
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Speaker 1: Doesn't those guys didn't know, I'm gonna give him one

859
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Speaker 1: more shot. And so it is really about and we

860
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Speaker 1: talked about this, the most important part and trying to

861
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: make sure that a guy flourishes at the next level

862
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: is how do they fit into the scheme and environment

863
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: that they're being brought into. And some guys you get

864
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: them and it's just not a right fit. So when

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Speaker 1: you talk about caleban Chasing, caleban Chasing was a guy

866
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: who needs to come off the edge and use his athleticism.

867
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: He's not a traditional linebacker. He's not that he has

868
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: to be a go go, go hunt guy, and he

869
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: has to have a move or two where he can

870
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback. But the athleticism is certainly there.

871
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: We saw the l s U. He's a former high

872
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: school basketball athlete and player. There's some stuff there, but

873
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: maybe in a different situation, maybe you can max out

874
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: of talent where you can see some of the production

875
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: from him that you would expect from our first round pick.

876
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: How about a guy like Leonard Fournette had to keep

877
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: going back to the Jags here. But Leonard Fournette, they couldn't,

878
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: they couldn't trade him, just cut him loose. He was, dude,

879
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: He was the he was the top five pick for

880
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: a reason. He was a lot of ability there before.

881
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: And so here's the thing, and here's what's so so

882
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: funny about the for Nette deal. Right, So you can

883
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: either look at things a couple of different ways, half

884
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: MP half fool when it comes to the glass, what

885
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: can he do or what can he do? And so

886
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: there was always a lot of conversation in Jacksonville about, well,

887
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette is not an integral part of the passing game,

888
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: and running backs have to be a big part of

889
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: the passing game. They have to be able to make

890
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: plays or whatever. Last night we saw Alvin Kamara make

891
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: his impact as a receiver, where Leonard Fournette is not

892
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: an Alvin Kamara, Christie McCaffrey guy. He's a checkdown option.

893
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,479
Speaker 1: You can screen him. Yeah, Derrick Henry is not a route.

894
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: You can screen him, you can swing him, you can

895
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: get him. So what we're seeing in a different environment,

896
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: different coaching staff, they're using playoff Leney in a different way.

897
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: And now the fore net that I'm seeing in Tampa

898
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Speaker 1: Bay is the one that I was like, ohay that

899
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: less you absolutely, absolutely it looks like that, and it

900
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: is amazing how they goes And some of it is

901
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: environment in scheme and some of that is also Bruce

902
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: Arians may have a hotter poker. You know, you may

903
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: not to poke the bear a little bit to get

904
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: the performance out of it. But I think as a

905
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: top evaluator and executive, you also have to understand you

906
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: gotta scout your coaches as well as your players, and

907
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: you have to make sure that the players that you

908
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: bring in can respond to the scheme and the coaching

909
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: that you're gonna provide them based on who you have. Well,

910
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: trade deadlines coming up. If I'm a GM right now

911
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: and you're looking for some help, identify misfits, right, guys

912
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: that just don't fit where they are, identified teams that

913
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: are struggling, you might be able to get that's and

914
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: then I think you identify the talent right just who

915
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: are the guys that were viewed at one point time

916
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: is high in talents? How can we get it out

917
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: of them? So I think you're gonna see that. We're

918
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: gonna see some trade that gets done before the deadline

919
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: that will be it will be a key addition to

920
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: a team that goes on to have a lot of

921
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: success in the postseason. I guarantee it. Yeah, I get guarantee.

922
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: It's it's a couple of different things because it coincides

923
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: with the trade deadline. Because after the trade deadline, where

924
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: you talk about the player acquisition, where you get that

925
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: that market player who's either devalued, underappreciated, misuse that happens

926
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Speaker 1: at the trade deadline, two to three weeks after that DJ,

927
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: the next step to happen is you now find the

928
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Speaker 1: veteran player who can help you get down the stretch.

929
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Speaker 1: Meaning there was always a thing and I'll go back

930
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: Toronto always signed a key veteran who might be on

931
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: the streets, who hasn't played a ton, who might not

932
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: have played at all this year, but someone who has

933
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: experienced playing in those big games in the postseason that

934
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Speaker 1: can kind of get you going. And I'm saying this

935
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, just keep your Larry fish Gerald right, Just

936
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Speaker 1: keep a player like a Larry fish Gerald who we

937
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: know it might not take him long to get ready

938
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: to play. But maybe if I'm the Arizona corner, maybe

939
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: I'm checking in and being like Larry might want to

940
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: just kind of run around a little bit. Because if

941
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Speaker 1: we have a situation with a j Green or DeAndre

942
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: Hopkins and it's a four game run then the playoffs,

943
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: maybe that's an impelling m HM opportunity for you to

944
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 1: chase the ring as opposed to, Hey, that seventeen game

945
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: grind is long. If I can get ready in a

946
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: month for the postseason run. And there's some other players

947
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: that are out there that offered that kind of I

948
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: can get you. I can get you to chase it.

949
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: You drop a little bread crumbs there, dress a little

950
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: bread crumbs there. I mean, because if I'm Larry fish Gerald,

951
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: you know what I have. Because I'm in town, I'm

952
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: looking at the Cordals, I'm like, I don't want to

953
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: be seven and dollar really want to look like I

954
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: don't want to look like it's a we'll see I

955
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: might tix. Steve kind of be like, what that's like

956
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: I think I think Mattingly didn't. Mattingly kind of leave

957
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: the Yankees right before they went on all their postseason runs,

958
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, like, really stunk the whole time I was here.

959
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: Then you want to go in the epic run for

960
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: a decade, We like five more season here and I'm

961
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: trying to Yeah baseball, yeah, brutal. All right, well, let's

962
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Speaker 1: get out of here. This has been fun today again,

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00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: thanks to Jim Naggy every buddy for joining us. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: you guys hanging with us. We'll catch you next time.

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Speaker 1: Right here on, move the sticks.