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Speaker 2: Hello, hey, ernandaw are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm well, it's so nice to see you. It's been many,

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Speaker 3: many years.

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Speaker 2: It has I know, it's incredible.

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Speaker 3: That's Tim Hernandez, an author and investigative researcher. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's been a while since we talked. It feels like

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Speaker 3: so much has happened. But also it feels like I

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Speaker 2: I know that was eight I think eight years ago already.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's been a while, and look.

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Speaker 3: At us, we still look like not a day over

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Speaker 2: Right, Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I'm catching up with Tim today because he emailed to

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Speaker 3: say there have been some interesting developments on a story

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Speaker 3: that I did back on twenty eighteen, So that's why

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be hosting the show today. The story

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about is the story of a plane that

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Speaker 3: crashed in nineteen forty eight on that flight where twenty

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Speaker 3: eight Mexican citizens who were being deported from the United States,

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Speaker 3: the plane crashed, everyone on board died. The American crew

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Speaker 3: members had their bodies sent home to their families for

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Speaker 3: of Tim's search to find the families of those twenty

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Speaker 3: eight passengers, and above all, honestly, it's a story that

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Speaker 2: It's important for us to look back at history to

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Speaker 3: Since our story aired, Tim has been able to connect

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Speaker 3: doesn't happen often. Our story contributed to his life mission

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Speaker 4: I was just on my phone, just kind of scrolling

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Speaker 4: I said, Wow, you know what, there's a story in

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Speaker 3: We're going to hear more about those updates later, but

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Speaker 3: first you have to hear the story. So we're going

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Speaker 3: to play you the story that originally aired in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Latino USA. I'm Fernande Chavarri in for our host Marino Jo.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to our story. On a Wednesday morning, just

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Speaker 3: after ten am, a plane was flying over Los Gato's

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Speaker 3: all in the same way, but they were not all

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Speaker 3: workers on that plane were known as Braseros. They had

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Speaker 6: Twenty eight Mexican citizens who die in an airplane accident

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Speaker 3: Twenty eight Mexican citizens. That's all they would call them,

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Speaker 3: No one identified the remains of the twenty eight passengers,

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Speaker 3: No one asked for their families, No one really paid

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Speaker 3: became personal From Futuro Media and per x It's Latino

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Speaker 3: USA am Fernanda Chavarri in for our host Maria jo Josa.

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Speaker 3: Today we go back to find out who were the

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Speaker 3: twenty eight unnamed people on that grave and meet a

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Speaker 3: And to do that, I'm joined by Latino USA producer

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Speaker 3: Maggie Feeling.

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Speaker 7: Hey, Maggie, Hey, Fernanda. So when you and I found

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Speaker 7: that more people might know about it than they realize.

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Speaker 8: Goodbye by, And it's all because of one song that

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Speaker 8: kept the story alive throughout the decades.

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Speaker 3: A song that has a very long, confusing title, Deep.

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Speaker 7: Porti parentheses playing record Los Gatos, and it's sung here

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Speaker 7: by Pete Seeger, a super famous American folk music icon.

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Speaker 8: Six hundred miles to that Mexico border. They chases like alaws.

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Speaker 3: But Pete didn't write the song, He just made it famous.

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Speaker 3: In the nineteen fifties. Pete's good friend Woody Guthrie wrote it.

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Speaker 7: When wood He heard about the crash on the radio,

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Speaker 7: he felt this strong sense of injustice. So he wrote

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Speaker 8: All all these friends, all scattered like dry leans. On

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Speaker 3: Who are these friends who are scattered like dried leaves?

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Speaker 7: The radio said they were just deportise.

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Speaker 3: These kinds of poems and lyrics were not unusual for

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Speaker 3: Woody Guthrie. He was always sort of a revolutionary.

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Speaker 9: Woody was kind of the embodiment of your quote unquote

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Speaker 9: every man in the sense that he lived and worked

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Speaker 9: and wrote and traveled among the people. I'm Nora Guthrie,

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Speaker 9: and I'm Woody Guthrie's daughter.

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Speaker 7: We called Nora to find out why wood he wrote this.

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Speaker 9: There was a very strong similarity between the migrant workers

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Speaker 9: in the nineteen thirties and the Oakies in the nineteen thirties.

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Speaker 7: The Okies were farmers in Arkansas, Kansas, Tennessee, and of

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Speaker 7: course Oklahoma. They lost their homes during the dust Bowl

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Speaker 7: and migrated to California. Woody Guthrie was one of these people.

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Speaker 9: When Woody came to California, he was homeless, living in

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Speaker 9: and I think that just instinctively he connected with their plug.

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Speaker 9: He didn't start out to be political. He started out

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Speaker 9: just being curious, so he would always dig further and

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Speaker 9: further into the news reports. And that was what happened

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Speaker 3: Somewhere along the way, Pete Seeger, who was Woody's friend,

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Speaker 10: Johnny Cash, Johnny Rodriguez.

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Speaker 11: Roll In and Dolly Parton, orangz.

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Speaker 7: Jo Bias is so Dumb, Bob Dylan's Yeah, Mexico Harder,

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Speaker 3: So you have all these super famous all American music

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Speaker 7: And it's really crazy because this song was sung throughout

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Speaker 9: And my father left a lot of songs like this.

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Speaker 9: Sometimes I call them like seeds to be harvested by

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Speaker 9: the next generation. So the thing is that he left

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Speaker 9: this song with the question why weren't the deportees.

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Speaker 10: Namely, Oh, they will call you.

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Speaker 2: All they will call you, will be deport All they

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Speaker 2: who's been working on this plane. Requet los gatos for

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Speaker 2: the last seven years of your book is the name

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Speaker 2: of my book? Is all they will call you.

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Speaker 7: So here's where Tim comes in. He's a professor and

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Speaker 7: One day, Tim was doing recent search for something unrelated

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Speaker 3: So Tim was like, weird, that sounds familiar, and he

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Speaker 3: too wanted resolution for the families of the victims, so

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Speaker 2: You know, I just let my curiosity sort of pull me,

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Speaker 2: and I began to ask who is all and who

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Speaker 3: That was a s a quest that over the years

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Speaker 2: You know, growing up the son of migrant farm workers,

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Speaker 2: I saw first hand the moments where my family felt voiceless,

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 7: Tim put himself in the shoes of these twenty eight

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Speaker 2: I was born and raised here in California's San Joaquin Valley,

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Speaker 2: of growing up with migrant family, you know, we traveled

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Speaker 3: So they gave Mexican farm workers temporary permits to come

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Speaker 3: And that morning that's exactly what was happening. Those twenty

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Speaker 7: So, based on Tim's research and interviews with the families

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Speaker 7: So the Mexican passengers' bodies were never repatriated. Some families

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Speaker 7: We also wanted to know how only some of the

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Speaker 12: This is all cattle territory up here. It's Los Gatus Canyon.

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Speaker 12: They were And did you see the house.

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Speaker 7: Yes, We're driving a ko linga about an hour southwest

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Speaker 2: It's hard every turn looks the same here unless you

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Speaker 3: I have to ask what are we driving through? What

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Speaker 12: This is called the oil patch, and this is the

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Speaker 7: A oil was actually discovered here, and today there's a

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Speaker 2: The plane would have been able to see these oil

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Speaker 2: makes sense that the one could actually you know, you

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Speaker 7: Okay, so it wasn't the exact plane, but the kind

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Speaker 3: So he thought he could land that plane again, and

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Speaker 12: But plane wing broke off and it started spinning out

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Speaker 3: We're going through a barbarie fence. I'm so short it

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Speaker 12: This is the actual crash site, and this was where

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Speaker 3: Larry wasn't born when the plane crushed, but growing up

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Speaker 7: Larry's mom and his aunt June were little girls at

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Speaker 2: June was stunning, you know, not too far off here

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Speaker 5: We saw bushes with brains hanging on it, and my

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Speaker 5: thoughts then, as a little girl, that looks like decorating

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Speaker 7: Do you remember as you got older learning more about it.

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Speaker 7: Tim also felt like the twenty eight people who died

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Speaker 3: So he wanted to right that wrong. Tim felt that

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Speaker 3: At this point, Carlos also wanted to find their names.

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Speaker 7: And it was there that they were finally able to

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Speaker 3: But they quickly realized that list was unreliable. In Mexico,

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Speaker 7: So they knew right away this list was botched.

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Speaker 7: Sure enough, there had always been a list with the names,

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Speaker 3: So there they were with an actual list of names

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Speaker 7: But then Carlos remembered that every November, on the day

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Speaker 3: He wanted to find who that person was, so Tim

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Speaker 3: And someone did. That's coming up after the break.

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Speaker 7: Hey, we're back.

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Speaker 3: Before the break, Tim r Nandez had put out a

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Speaker 7: And not long after Tim put out the call he

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Speaker 6: Someone gave me a newspaper and said, look, they're talking

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Speaker 3: This is Jim Ramirez. We met him in Fresno with Tim, and.

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Speaker 6: I started reading it isn't I and I got my

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Speaker 3: Jimi went to his computer and started writing Tim an email.

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Speaker 3: He wrote in Spanish, I know about the accident because

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Speaker 7: My phone number and ended with if you need information,

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Speaker 7: just let me.

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Speaker 6: Know anything that you want to know.

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Speaker 3: Just yeah, what do you need to know?

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Speaker 2: I'm right here, I was like, And so that was

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Speaker 7: And not only is Hime a surviving family member, but

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Speaker 7: Tim didn't have to go to Mexico. Jime was right

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Speaker 3: Jime owns a restaurant called Olifrijole, and everyone in Presno

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Speaker 2: So when he first told me that that was his restaurant,

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Speaker 3: Now and I was right there.

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Speaker 7: And Hime was there all along in more than one way.

445
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 3: Remember the flowers that someone was putting on the mass

446
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 3: grave on the other Los Mortos, and.

447
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Speaker 2: I said, wow, you know, I wonder who that person is.

448
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 2: Later on I would learn that.

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00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 6: It was yes, sy Wassin Salinas.

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00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 3: It was him. He's the one that was putting flowers

451
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 3: on the grave. He was Tim's first found family member.

452
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 3: And turns out he was also Tim's golden ticket.

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00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 6: The newspaper my grandmother kept, and I kept it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why. So here's what happened. Not long

455
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 3: after the crash, in nineteen forty eight, a small Spanish

456
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 3: language newspaper published an article that listed every passenger with

457
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 3: the correct spelling of both.

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00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 6: Last names, and he had all the names and where

459
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 6: they were from in Mexico, did little towns.

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00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 7: This was it. Years of searching and Tim finally had

461
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 7: their names.

462
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: Independent newspaper in Faro, very old. It looks like it's

463
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: a front page, right, Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 2: It is the front page.

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00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's a front page. And in the front

466
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 3: page you have the two photos of a priest looking

467
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 3: over the bodies for the funeral service. On the right

468
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 3: side is the column that has all of the names

469
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 3: first last name, where they're from, the names of their

470
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 3: parents or wives, if they knew them. Kelli hues Par. Wow,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to try to translate that as beautifully as

472
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Speaker 3: it is written in Spanish. On Saturday, the thirty first

473
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Speaker 3: of January that just passed, there was a funeral for

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Speaker 3: the twenty eight compatriots that were chosen by destiny to

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Speaker 3: perish in an unfortunate accident near Collinga, California. Like just

476
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 3: the way that this is written is super like old newspaper.

477
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: Very poetic, poetic. It's very poetic. In fact, even the

478
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 2: biblical sort of Seeing.

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00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 7: How the Spanish language paper wrote about the twenty eight

480
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 7: Mexican victims made it even more clear just how differently

481
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Speaker 7: their deaths were treated and how their remains were handled.

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Speaker 3: Twenty eight families without closure, without being able to have

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Speaker 3: a physical place to mourn. And although yes, most of

484
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 3: the families knew how their sons, brothers and husbands had died,

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Speaker 3: they didn't get to have a funeral or a place

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Speaker 3: to visit their loved one. Lay flowers, just grieve and

487
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 3: as any cemetery director would know. Godlos says, there is

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Speaker 3: an importance to being able to visit someone's grave.

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Speaker 13: It's just a sense of emptiness, like wait a minute,

490
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 13: you know it's not just some John Doe that got

491
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 13: you know, no family indigen nobody knows there was information,

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Speaker 13: and so I left kind of a blank there, like

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00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 13: eight a minute now.

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00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 3: So now with the full names spelled correctly, Tim, Carlos

495
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 3: and Jaime could start the process of making a proper

496
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 3: headstone with all the names on.

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00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 7: It, and they would also travel to Mexico to try

498
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 7: and find other families. Tim wanted to tell them that

499
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 7: their loved ones were no longer in a nameless mass grave.

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00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: So the first family Tim wanted to meet was Jimes. Remember,

501
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 3: both his grandfather and great uncle died in the crash.

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00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 3: So Tim and Jim got on a plane and flew

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00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 3: to Juanajuato in central Mexico. They were there on the

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00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: sixty seventh anniversary of the crash.

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00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: I don't want.

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00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 7: To Jim set up a meeting with his family, and

507
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 7: right at ten forty am, the time when the plane crashed,

508
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 7: they had a moment of silence.

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00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: During the trip, Jaime told Tim a little more about

510
00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: his grandfather and great uncle. Guadalupe and grew up in

511
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 3: charcole Panto, a farming community into when they got older,

512
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 3: they both owned land and farm garbanzo beans wheat in alfalfa.

513
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 7: But their towns struggled to get an irrigation system in place.

514
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 7: They didn't have the money to get it set up.

515
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 7: That's when the idea to go work in the fields

516
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 7: in California came up.

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00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: So they both went back and forth working as braseros

518
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: and bringing money back to their town.

519
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 7: Do you remember stories growing up about them.

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00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's my mitioos.

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00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: Dongle liked horse riding into just like shoot a bullets

522
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: in there.

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00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 6: Oh, yellows is.

524
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: His uncle was so blonde that they call them corn

525
00:28:53,240 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 3: hair like pelos. Jime's family is split between Fresno, California

526
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 3: and Juanajuado, and these are the types of stories that

527
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: have been keeping his grandfather alive in Jime's memory. So

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00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: for him to tell his family, his mother mostly that

529
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: her father would no longer be buried under a nameless headstone,

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00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: it was life changing. Now we know who the people are.

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Speaker 2: Now, we know who their lives are, who their family are,

532
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: we know how they how they are in its community.

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00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 3: So on September second, twenty thirteen, the new headstone was

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00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 3: unveiled in the cemetery. These Braseros, who were once invisible

535
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: and forgotten under a mass grave, had their names on

536
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: a big, beautiful marble headstone.

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Speaker 6: Miguel Negrete, Alvarez, Francisco Yamas, Duran, Santiago Garcia, Alixandro Rossalio,

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00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 6: Padi Estra, Nabe Lopez Garcia, Ramon pre Mas, Avigna de Gracia,

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00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 6: Lupe Ramirez, Las.

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00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: Several, Medina Lara.

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Speaker 7: In this moment of having these names carved in to

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00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 7: stone forever, this is what Tim and Jime wanted for years.

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00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 6: Manuel Calderon, Mari Luiz Cuevas, Miranda Martin, Rasso, Navarnacio, Perez Navarro,

544
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 6: Romano Too, Ramirez, Placentia, Alberto Carlos, Ronandez Rodrigu, Maria Santana,

545
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 6: Rodriguez One, Valenzuela Luis when says Lao flores Sevalivia, sanchezs Santos.

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Speaker 2: Around the edges of the headstone are thirty two leaves

547
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: for the song that says, who are these friends all?

548
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: Scattered?

549
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 7: Like dry leaves, which brings us back to the song.

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00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 5: Who are all these friends now?

551
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 8: Scattered?

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00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 7: Folk musician Pete Seeger, just like Tim, was always curious

553
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 7: about his friend woundy Ga Thrie's inspiration for the poem.

554
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 7: When Tim was working on this back in twenty thirteen,

555
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 7: Pete actually gave him a call.

556
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 10: Seek trying to get a message to Kim there, I'd

557
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 10: like to talk to you.

558
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 7: Pete also wanted to know who were these people, and

559
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 7: Tim had the answer, do you ever.

560
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: Think, Pete, you know singing that song at any point

561
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: that maybe someday someone would answer the answer that who

562
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: are these friends?

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00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 11: No?

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00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: And you took it on as a job that God

565
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: would want done.

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00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 7: Tim wound up meeting Pete in person, where he told

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00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 7: him the names of the twenty eight passengers, and then

568
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 7: in commemoration, Pete played deporte playing rec at los.

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00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 8: Catos, Goodbye to my Juan, goodbye. Also liita ah do you.

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00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 5: Mis Jesus.

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00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 7: Tim wouldn't know it, but this would be the last

572
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 7: time Pete would sing the song when he died a

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00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 7: few months later.

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00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 6: Oh We'll call.

575
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 4: You Woopy.

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00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: Deep and those friends who were scattered like dry leaves

577
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 3: had all been memorialized together. In the end, the headstone

578
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: also included the names of the four American crew members, because,

579
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: as Tim saw it, leaving them out would be perpetuating

580
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: the same kind of omission, that erasure that started all

581
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 3: of this in the first place.

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Speaker 7: And since Tim had been in touch with the American

583
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 7: families for a while, they were able to travel to

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Speaker 7: Fresno and attend the ceremony at Holy Cross Cemetery.

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00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: Jime was there too, and at one point a brown

586
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: suv pulled up and Jime's brother Guillemo got out. He

587
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 3: opened the door and helped his seventy seven year old mother,

588
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: Garitina Parretes Murrillo, step out. She was a kid when

589
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 3: her father died in the crash.

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Speaker 6: My mother also, I think she said that she felt

591
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 6: like she was in the actual burying ceremony.

592
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: Oh, because she never got to do an actual funeral,

593
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 3: So for her this was really the first, as if

594
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 3: it was happening decades ago.

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00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 6: Yes, she felt like that, like she was burying her father.

596
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 7: And when you're standing here right now, what are you

597
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 7: thinking about?

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00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 6: More content? More content to become Poor Celestan i Nadi.

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00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: He's happy that there's recognition and honoring of them finally

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00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 3: in this community, at least, because they didn't really get

601
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: any recognition or anything anywhere else. They were in darkness.

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00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: You could say, in the in the shadows.

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00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 6: Yes, in the shadows, and I'll never forget.

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00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: When we asked her, and how do you feel, Kattina,

605
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: and she said, well, I'm crying and I don't know

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00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: if they're tears of joy or tears of pain, you know.

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00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 3: After hearing the Deep or Tees song play a few

608
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: times during the ceremony, the Ramidez family requested that Mariacci's

609
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 3: play Mexico and the song lyrics say my dear and

610
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,479
Speaker 3: beautiful Mexico. If I die far away from you, say

611
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 3: that I'm sleeping so they can bring me back to you.

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00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: After meeting with Jime's family, Tim continued traveling in Mexico

613
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: in the US trying to answer what we Gotri's question, who

614
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: are these friends? As of today, Tim has been able

615
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: to connect with the relatives of eight of the twenty

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Speaker 3: eight Mexican passengers, so he's still searching.

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Speaker 14: As a chair of the California Latino Legislative Caucus, I

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Speaker 14: rise to recognize a tragic incident that occurred seventy years Last.

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Speaker 3: Year, on the seventieth anniversary of the crash, the California

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Speaker 3: State Senate held an emotional ceremony where for the first

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Speaker 3: time in history, they recognized the twenty eight Mexican victims

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Speaker 3: of the plane crash. Senator Benusso stood next to Jime

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Speaker 3: and other surviving family members as they held photos of

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Speaker 3: their relatives, and the Senate didn't forget to honor the

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Speaker 3: man who spent seven years of his life making this

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Speaker 3: all possible.

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Speaker 14: Tim Hernandez did the work that the government should have done,

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Speaker 14: but seventy years later, they will be remembered as a

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Speaker 14: valued part of the history of our state.

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Speaker 3: What you just heard was the story that we first

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Speaker 3: aired on Latino USA in twenty eighteen. I'm Fernande Chavari

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00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 3: and I'm back now with Tim Ernandez for updates on

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00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 3: what's happened since. So from what you've sent me over

634
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: email recently, it looks like some things have happened since

635
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 3: we air that story, and some of the things were

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00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: directly related to us airing that story.

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00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 5: Is that right?

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00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah, it was partly in due thanks to the

639
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: story that you all aired that I was able to

640
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: find for me one of the most important I think

641
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: in passengers on that airplane, which is the only female

642
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 2: Mexican passenger, Madia Rodriguez Santana who was the first passenger.

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00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: I started to look for her family. I started to

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00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 2: look for the Rodriguez family since early twenty eleven. My

645
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: rationale was the reason why I'm looking for this person

646
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 2: first is because in an airplane full of all men,

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Speaker 2: I thought she would stand out. She'd be the easiest,

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00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: probably the first one I could locate. So I was

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00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 2: going to look for the female Mexican passenger. Makes sense

650
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: for the Yeah, it does.

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00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 9: Yeah.

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00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: And so after the first you know, year or two,

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00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: I just I couldn't find any information. So I sort

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00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: of gave up on her. But it wasn't until our

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00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 2: first interview aired that a ethnic studies high school teacher

656
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: contacted me and said, hey, that's my aunt Maria.

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Speaker 3: That ethnic studies teacher was Mike Rodriguez.

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Speaker 4: I live in Orange County, and I grew up in

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Speaker 4: Los Angeles and I live in Orange County with my

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Speaker 4: wife and my two kids. I've been a teacher of

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00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 4: nineteen years in Los Angeles and here in Orange County

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Speaker 4: as well. You know, I'm a huge fan of Latino USA.

663
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 3: And there's this moment that really changed Mike's life.

664
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 4: I woke up one morning, I think it was a

665
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 4: Sunday morning, and I was having my morning couple coffee

666
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 4: at the table, and I was just on my phone,

667
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 4: just kind of scrolling through Twitter, just kind of, you know,

668
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 4: picking up what was happening in the day's events, and

669
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 4: I came across this story right of a plane crash.

670
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 4: And when I saw that, it just it automatically clicked

671
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 4: in my mind. I said, wow, you know what, there's

672
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 4: a story in our family of a plane crash.

673
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 3: It was a story that he had heard in his

674
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: family before, so he kept reading the Latino USA social

675
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 3: media post.

676
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 4: And then I read about the story and how it

677
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 4: was actually people that were being deported twenty eight Mexican

678
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 4: migrants being deported from Oakland to Mexico. And so I

679
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 4: had heard the story of a plane crash, but I

680
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 4: had never heard a story about anybody being deported in

681
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 4: our family. So I messaged Latino USA on Twitter. I said,

682
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 4: is there a list of the names where I can

683
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 4: find them? And they said yeah, I just go to

684
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 4: the bottom of the articles. I was like, all right, cool, cool, cool,

685
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 4: So I'll scroll down to the bottom of the article

686
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 4: and I saw the list of all of the names

687
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 4: of the people who passed that day and then I

688
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, I see it Maria Riguez Santana,

689
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,479
Speaker 4: and I said, wow, that's our name.

690
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 3: Then Mike texted the unofficial family historian, Histio Gonzalo, and

691
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 3: Dio Gonzalo confirmed it was their relative. So Mike wanted

692
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 3: to learn more, so he sent Tim an email.

693
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 4: All I do remember is saying that I read about

694
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 4: your story and about your book from Latino, USA, and

695
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 4: I wanted to let you know that that was our

696
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 4: Dia Marian that you wrote about in the plane crash, you.

697
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: Know, behind my desk doing my work one morning, I

698
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: see an email come up and it says something to

699
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: the effect of mister Hernani's my name is Mike Rodriguez

700
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: the third, and I heard your interview and I'd love

701
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: to talk with you. And also my family wants to

702
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: thank you for putting the headstone up and finding the

703
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: names and all of that right.

704
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 4: And so it just kind of began this journey, right,

705
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 4: this journey of uncovering right for all of us, because

706
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 4: then it's like, what else don't we know about our family.

707
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 3: Tim knew that this journey with Mike was just getting started.

708
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: Whenever I receive it on my end an email like that,

709
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: I just I look at it and my first thought is, Oh,

710
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: this person's going to be in my life for a

711
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: long time, and they don't realize that yet. Because because

712
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 2: this has been a year's long project today it's going

713
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: on fifteen years. I've been searching, still looking for families,

714
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 2: interviewing families. Wow, I interview them over a period of years,

715
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: because we start to really dig deeper into who they were,

716
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: who these passengers were. That's the goal here, is to

717
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: find out who they were and what their families are

718
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: doing today in the United States.

719
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 3: Tim and Mike have remained close friends ever since that email.

720
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 4: He's like my brother from another mother, you know what

721
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 4: I'm saying. Like, you know, we have a lot in

722
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 4: comment and both of us are interested in telling these

723
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 4: stories that are untold.

724
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: Tim, I'm wondering if, besides this update of someone listening

725
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: to the story that we did, contacting you and saying, hey,

726
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 3: that was my relative, anything else that has happened that

727
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: you want to share with us. I mean, this enough

728
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 3: is a pretty big deal, But wondering if you've been

729
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: able to find any other families or if anything else

730
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 3: has happened since we last aired the story.

731
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four. Last year, in fall, I wrote

732
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: a second book title they Call You Back to continue

733
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: the story. That wasn't the intention when you and I

734
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 2: met eight year seven, eight years ago. I literally thought, Okay,

735
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: it's just just one book and I'm done. I will

736
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: keep collecting the stories and for posterity and history's sake.

737
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,479
Speaker 2: But what I didn't realize even the stories after that book,

738
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: first book came out, the stories were so profound in

739
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 2: the families I could tell really needed to tell this story.

740
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: And since that time when the interview aired, I found

741
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 2: a seven more families, so now fifteen of the families,

742
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: and so I decided to write a second book, and

743
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: that's what the title is. They call you Back, because

744
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: they do. I thought I was done, and they kept

745
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 2: calling me back to the story. So that's happened. And

746
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: you know, really grateful that we've been able to capture

747
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: all this on footage and interviews and audio recordings, and

748
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: we've just really done a great job of documenting this

749
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: entire search since day one. And so I'm really excited

750
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: about all the things that we've been doing with this

751
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: story and hoping to get this story out as far

752
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 2: as we can, because at this time, this moment in time,

753
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: I think these stories are so critical. It's important for

754
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 2: us to look back at history to understand the lasting

755
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: impact of deportations over generations, because that's what this story

756
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 2: allows us to do. Glimpse back and to see how

757
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: many generations, three or four generations down the line, that

758
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: this single incident, this single dehumanization with regards to a

759
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: group of Mexicans being deported, how that has played out,

760
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: and all these families' lives over three generations at this point,

761
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: people who are now here in this country doing wonderful

762
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: things as American citizens, teachers, flight attendants, doctors, restaurant owners.

763
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 2: They're all here in this country legally doing amazing things

764
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 2: for this country, contributed in a way that is I think,

765
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: just integral to who we are as a country. This

766
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 2: story has that.

767
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: Power, a sentiment that Mike also shares.

768
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 4: Important story to tell, especially seeing what's happening today with

769
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 4: migrants in our community and right here in Orange County,

770
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 4: and what's happening to the families of my students. Why

771
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 4: are my students' families calling in saying that we want

772
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 4: our kids to go virtual for the last week of

773
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 4: summer school. You know why, because they can't be out

774
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 4: right now because you know they're being hunted down by

775
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 4: federal agents. And so it's that feeling of like dehumanization, right,

776
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 4: That's what my family felt. That's seventy five years ago.

777
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: There's a lack of respect in life that translated to

778
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 3: a lack of respect and a lack of dignity exactly

779
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 3: in death. It seems very.

780
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 9: Parallel, exactly exactly.

781
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 3: From what I hear there now is a new memorial

782
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 3: marker at the crash site. Because I remember, other than

783
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: you and Larry, who we hear from in the story,

784
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: other than the two of you telling us this is

785
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: where the crash happened, there was no marker whatsoever that

786
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: signified that. So tell me more about how that memorial

787
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 3: marker came about.

788
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: Yes, that's such an important part of the story to me.

789
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: It feels like the book end of the story. Because

790
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: we had the headstone that we installed at the cemetery

791
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen with all the names finally, and the

792
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: one thing that we didn't have was this memorial marker

793
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 2: at the crash site itself. And people because of the song,

794
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: people have come from all over the world looking for

795
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: the crash site, sort of making pilgrimages to the crash site,

796
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: but not knowing exactly where the plane crash. So it's

797
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: always been sort of important and for us one of

798
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 2: the plans we've had since the beginning of it all.

799
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: And I say we, I mean myself and the community

800
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: there and LOSC got those canyon and the families that

801
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 2: this affected. So we had over the years made attempts

802
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 2: to talk to the historical marker, the organization, the entity

803
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: that that helps us put those things together, and we

804
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: just sort of it just kind of you know, they're

805
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 2: with the red tape and everything. Things are lingered and lingered,

806
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: and nothing ever came of it. So finally it was

807
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: a residence of Los Gootto's Canyon. The farmers who still

808
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: own the rancher I should say, who still own property

809
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: up in the canyon. People who've been up there for

810
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: generations and have heard of the crash and knew of it,

811
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 2: got together themselves and decided we're not going to wait

812
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: for any institution or organization or whatever the government to

813
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 2: come and decide and help us put this together. We're

814
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: going to do it ourselves. So they got a piece

815
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: of property right across the street from the crash site,

816
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 2: and on their own raise the money, put their own

817
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 2: money into it, and with their own hands created this

818
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: beautiful memorial out of stones lifted out of the canyon itself.

819
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: And so that memorial is there now today, and it

820
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: has the names again of all the passengers who perish there.

821
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: It has a little bit of the history, it has

822
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: a quote by Woody Guthrie, it has a quote from

823
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: my book is they just did a beautiful job of

824
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 2: putting it there on the roadside. So now anytime you

825
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: drive up into Loscoto's Canyon, you can't miss the site.

826
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: Now it's this beautiful memorial. And in September of last year,

827
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, myself with all of the families

828
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 2: of losc Goatto's Canyon, we all went out there and sell,

829
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: raided and unveiled the memorial. I tried to invite all

830
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: the families I could from that I have found till

831
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: then all fifteen of them, and also to the help

832
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: of Witty Guthrie's family, his family also said we'd like

833
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: to help you get the families there. What can we do?

834
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: And they actually supported the family's flights and tickets and

835
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 2: gas and things like that to get there.

836
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 15: That's amazing.

837
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: The Whitty Guthrie family did that. And then they had

838
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: Whitty Guthrie's grandson, Damon Guthrie come out there and he

839
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: spoke on behalf of Witty Guthrie there at the canyon.

840
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 13: It was just a.

841
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: Powerful moment, and everyone was there, and some of the

842
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: families did end up making it. I'd say about half

843
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 2: of the families were out there. It's just a very

844
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: powerful moment. It did feel like a closure. And I

845
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: asked one of the families that morning. I said, the

846
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: family of passenger Alberto Carlos Ragosa. I asked her name

847
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 2: is Maria, and I said. I looked at her and

848
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 2: I said, Maria, does this finally feel like a closure

849
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: for your family? And she looked at me and she said, actually,

850
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like a closure. It feels like an opening,

851
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: a time for a new day for our family. We

852
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: can now let that pass go and move forward into

853
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: a new day for our family because we've kept this

854
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 2: story and grieved over our Abato for years, for generations already,

855
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: So it feels like a new day.

856
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 4: Honestly, I thought that it really touched me that a

857
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,959
Speaker 4: lot of people showed out from the community, people who

858
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 4: don't necessarily have a direct connection to the story, but

859
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 4: they still came to pay their respects and to honor

860
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 4: the lives of the twenty eight migrants.

861
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 7: It was very powerful.

862
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 4: You know, we're teachers now, and you wonder how much

863
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 4: of that story was a part of us becoming teachers,

864
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 4: you know, as teachers were storytellers since twenty eighteen. And

865
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, is this like, has this been thea Maria like,

866
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 4: you know, calling to me right and calling to us

867
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 4: to do this work all these years? And it really

868
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 4: it puts goosebumps down my spine to think about it,

869
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 4: you know, and because her spirit, the spirit of all

870
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 4: the ones that have passed, are still with us. And

871
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 4: so you know, once again, I'm just very thankful to Tim.

872
00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 4: You know that Tim took you know, got into did

873
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 4: in the story and decided to write about it, you know,

874
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 4: so we can learn about it today.

875
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 3: Thank you, timz Hernandez, author and professor, for speaking with us.

876
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 2: My pleasure. Thank you, Fernande, Thank you so much.

877
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:13,959
Speaker 8: Mike.

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